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This morning - with the so-called Calais jungle | :00:00. | :00:16. | |
soon to be demolished - Lily Allen has been to the refugee | :00:17. | :00:19. | |
camp for this programme to meet some of the unaccompanied children there. | :00:20. | :00:24. | |
We've bombed your country. Put you in the hands of the Taliban and now | :00:25. | :00:32. | |
putting you at risk, risking your life getting into our country. I | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you | :00:39. | :00:39. | |
through. We'll bring you that | :00:40. | :00:49. | |
full report shortly - and speak to Lily Allen, | :00:50. | :00:50. | |
live, after 10am. Also on the programme - | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
the US firm Concentrix has been ordered to appear in front | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
of MPs tomorrow. It's after this programme revealed | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
hundreds of people have had Basically they were accusing me of | :00:59. | :01:11. | |
being married to a 74-year-old bloke that used to live here, way before I | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
did, saying that it is normal thing for my kind of age and it is my sort | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
of behaviour. 74? He was 74. But you're only... | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
19. When I speak to the council they said he was deceased and died in | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
2016. We'll speak to some of those due | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
to give evidence to MPs to tell them And we'll talk to a mother with HIV | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
who went undiagnosed for 30 years. Hello and welcome to the programme, | :01:37. | :01:52. | |
we're live until 11am. Later this morning we'll try | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
and find out exactly why Will if you're watching do get | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
in touch - and let us know because the speculation | :02:00. | :02:05. | |
is because of some kind of fall-out And we'll hear calls for the maximum | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
jail sentence for those convicted If you have been stalked, | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
tell us if you think an increase in the punishment would have | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
made any difference Use the hashtag Victoria Live | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
and If you text, you will be charged Our top story today, | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
figures seen by the BBC reveal a sharp increase in hospital | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
admissions in England due Doctors blame the rise | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
in cleanliness over But it's not clear what's happened | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
since 2011 to drive up admissions by a third | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
to almost 30,000 in a year. That contrasts to average admissions | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
during the same period, Ruby is severely | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
allergic to peanuts. And, two years ago, | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
Ruby asked for a curry It wasn't which caused her | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
to have a severe reaction called It was chicken korma and I just had | :03:01. | :03:06. | |
a small amount and my lips started Across England the number | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
of hospital admissions for allergies and anaphylactic shocks have been | :03:12. | :03:21. | |
steadily increasing. Five years ago there were just over | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
22,000 such admissions, but the latest figures obtained | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
by the BBC show that the number has In total, all hospital admissions | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
in England have increased by 8% in the last five years, | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
but allergy specific Now, then, Oliver, | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
have you been behaving? More children in particular are now | :03:39. | :03:45. | |
being seen in hospital for allergies, with some doctors | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
calling it an epidemic. Yes, we are seeing a huge number | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
of referals now for new patients with children's allergies | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
and we think this is due to the world we live in, | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
in terms of environmental issues. We live in a much cleaner world | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
than we did 100 years ago and we know that children | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
are delayed later to common allergens, be it dust, | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
be it pollen and also food. Whatever the number, | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
doctors aren't expecting the number of allergy admissions to drop | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
any time soon. Later this morning we will speak to | :04:11. | :04:20. | |
some people who have allergies and they're going to tell us what it is | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
like to live with the constant risk of a reaction. | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
Labour is putting pressure on the government to set | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
out its Brexit strategy in more detail. | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer and Shadow Foreign | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
Secretary Emily Thornberry have asked for clarification | :04:44. | :04:45. | |
on 170 questions - one a day until the Prime Minister's | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
self-imposed deadline to start the EU withdrawal process. | :04:48. | :04:49. | |
The party will also stage a debate and vote in Parliament later. | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
Our Assistant Political Editor, Norman Smith is in Westminster. | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
Good morning Norman. Labour has been accused up to now, hasn't it, of not | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
interrogating the Government enough about Brexit, but now from Labour, | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
170 questions! Designed, I think, to put the pressure on the Government | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
over setting out what their plan for Brexit actually is. So this morning | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
we get this 170 questions, one for every day until Mrs May's deadline | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
for triggering Article 50 and they cover everything from the | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
implications for the economy, for immigration, for jobs, for the | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
environment, and questions like on immigration, what sort of curbs is | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
the Government thinking of introducing, what will be the impact | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
on the NHS? Will there be different curbs in different parts of the | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
country, what will be the implications for Britain citizens | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
living in the EU? The point behind it is to put the squeeze on the | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
Government, coupled with this debate today to set out in more clarity | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
what Brexit actually means and to press for a Commons vote before Mrs | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
May enters those negotiations and this morning, the Shadow Foreign | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
Secretary, Emily Thornbury said the Government could not be allowed to | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
get away without setting out what sort of deal it was trying to reach | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
over Brexit. We are in a position | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
where we have a Government who are about to make major | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
decisions on behalf of this country and they want to go in a locked room | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
and fight it out amongst themselves and come out with some plan | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
that they want to keep secret. Now, we are doing our job | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
as the opposition and We published 170 questions | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
today that we expect At least to have some idea about, | :06:33. | :06:38. | |
at least to have thought about, before they go and trigger | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
Article 50. So Norman, tell us more about what | :06:43. | :06:49. | |
we can expect from the debate and vote later? Well, this is going to | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
be the first set piece debate on Brexit and Labour have put down a | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
fairly general motion saying there needs to be proper scrutiny and | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
transparency about the deal Mrs May seeks to negotiate. Now, in normal | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
times the Government would put a big thick red pen through that motion | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
and put their own distinct motion down. They haven't. Instead they've | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
accepted the Labour motion and put a little proviso on then of it saying | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
well, mustn't do anything that compromises our negotiating | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
strategy, what that tells us, I think, there is nervousness on Mrs | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
May's side that many Tory MPs do want a vote on any Brexit deal and | :07:29. | :07:35. | |
so to get round the possibility of a revolt today, the Government has by | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
and large accepted the Labour motion, but with a little tweak on | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
the end, but there is no doubt we seem to be heading for the first | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
real tension over Brexit and it is over the role of Parliament and | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
whether MPs should have a vote. OK, Norman, thank you very much for | :07:51. | :07:51. | |
that. Norman Smith. The Prison Governors Association has | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
called on the Government to set up an independent, | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
public inquiry into the state of prisons | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
in England and Wales. The Association, which is holding | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
its annual conference, is concerned about what it says | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
is the "unprecedented" rise The Government says it plans | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
to invest an extra 14 million pounds Children who are at risk | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
often get unsatisfactory protection in England, | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
the National Audit Office says. A report by the spending watchdog | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
found that more than three-quarters of local authority child protection | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
services were inadequate The Department for Education says | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
it's taking tough action Some people who complain their tax | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
credits have been stopped in error - are being told it will be several | :08:27. | :08:35. | |
weeks before their claims The SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh says | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
some of her constituents haven't had their tax credits for many weeks | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
already andthat the tax office is failing to meet its commitment | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
to resume payments. Ms Ahmed Sheikh has tabled an urgent | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
question in Parliament today and will be speaking to Victoria | :08:52. | :08:59. | |
just after 9.30am. A man in the United States has been | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
convicted of posting cyanide to a suicidal man in England, | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
leading to his death. Sidney Kilmartin, who's 54, | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
sent cynanide to 49-year-old Andrew Denton, of Hull, who used it | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
to kill himself in December 2012. He'd already posted a substance | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
he said was cyanide, but which was actually Epsom salts | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
to several suicidal people. Prosecutors said Kilmartin | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
wanted to stop Mr Denton People who feel light-headed | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
and dizzy when standing up suddenly may have a 40% higher risk | :09:28. | :09:36. | |
of Alzheimer's disease, Scientists believe it's because less | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
blood reaches the brain during these moments, | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
leading to cell damage over time. Charities have welcomed | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
the research, but say that other factors such as smoking | :09:45. | :09:46. | |
play more of a part. The singer Lily Allen has called | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
on the government to do more to help children living in the so-called | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
Jungle refugee camp in Calais. French authorities have committed | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
to demolishing the camp and re-locating its | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
population of 9,000 by On her first visit, Lily Allen | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
described the situation as inhumane. I'm shocked, really, | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
that this is happening in such close proximity to, | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
you know, where we live. It feels like it's just people | :10:14. | :10:22. | |
just managing to cope. Something has to be done | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
because it can't really... You can see the full film in five | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
minutes on the programme. Kim Kardashian is taking legal | :10:27. | :10:38. | |
action against a website that's accused her of faking | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
the Paris robbery. The reality TV star is suing | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
the gossip website MediaTakeOut for alleging that she lied | :10:44. | :10:45. | |
about the armed hold up at her hotel room in Paris and then filed | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
a fraudulent insurance claim. French police say they believe | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
jewellery worth millions That's a summary of the latest BBC | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
News. More from me at 9.30am. Sport in a moment, Look at President | :10:54. | :11:07. | |
Obama. There's a guy on the radio | :11:08. | :11:14. | |
who apparently... He's demob happy, isn't he? That was | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
actually him smelling his own hand! We'll bring you that | :11:19. | :11:52. | |
film with Lily Allen Do get in touch with us | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
at the standard network rate. Let's get some sport | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
now with John Watson. John, not a great night | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
in the World Cup qualifiers Let's start about England and Joe | :12:05. | :12:17. | |
Hart came to the rescue? Joe Hart was the keeper for England last | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
night. There was a drab game. A disappointing goalless draw against | :12:22. | :12:24. | |
Slovenia. England didn't manage to register a goal. A shot on target in | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
the first-half, but Joe Hart was the man of the moment who salvaged | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
England a point. That was one of a string of saves he made last night. | :12:33. | :12:41. | |
The stand out one was when he managed to tip the top of the bar. A | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
goalless draw. Wayne Rooney, Jordan Henderson captaining the side came | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
on for the last 20 minutes. He had a shot. Everybody wondered if he was | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
going to produce the winning moment, but he didn't. As things stand, not | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
a disaster for England, they are still unbeaten in their qualifying, | :13:01. | :13:04. | |
they are top, but really interesting to hear what Gareth Southgate said | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
afterwards. He said he has inherited a mess. If there was a line perhaps | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
to sum-up things for England that might be it. Interim manager he may | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
remain interim manager. In terms of Scotland and Northern | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
Ireland, defeats though? Yeah. It is Scotland in a bit of a difficult | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
patch at the moment let's say. Their manager Gordon Strachan disappointed | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
to see them draw. They were hoping to get three points and they didn't. | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
They came away with a 3-0 defeat. This is a really disappointing | :13:38. | :13:40. | |
result for them. They have only picked up one point in the | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
qualifying matches. It leaves them sitting fourth in their qualifying | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
group. Remember, they're in the same group as England. They face England | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
in their next match. What a contest that's going to be. But a difficult | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
time for Scotland at the moment. And Northern Ireland, as well, they were | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
in action. They had by far the toughest of all of the matches last | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
night. They were in Hannover to face Germany. And they came away with a | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
defeat as well. 2-0 it finished last night. Their manager said that this | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
is not a complete disaster as you could imagine facing the world | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
champions, it was always going to be dismt they have the same number of | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
points as Scotland and they, themselves, realised that they are | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
chasing the second spot. That's not an automatic qualification spot, but | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
second spot would see you go through into a play-off and there is a | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
chance if you can finish second of still reaching the World Cup in | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
Russia in 2018. Cycling. An interesting story in | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
cycling particularly against the backdrop of the damaging headlines | :14:33. | :14:36. | |
over the last few weeks? Yes, there is a really significant prize I | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
guess you could say on the horizon this afternoon. Yorkshire should be | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
awarded as we expect to be given the 2019 road race world cycling | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
championships. A fantastic moment for the sport, you imagine, but | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
interesting if you believe what you read in the newspapers, that the | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
Chief Executive of British cycling Ian Drake won't be attending. Now, | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
it was a joint bid that's been put together by British cycling, UK | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
Sport, a really significant moment. But as you say, huge allegations | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
whirling around relate to go a suspect package that was delivered | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
to Team Sky in 2011. No one seems to know what the package was. A lot of | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
unanswered questions and after the high of the Olympics, we're in this | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
murky business of allegations around British cycling centred on Team Sky | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
and British cycling at the moment and Bradley Wiggins as well has been | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
embroiled in this. You think it is a great moment, it should be, why then | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
is Ian Drake the Chief Executive of British cycling not attending? | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
Perhaps he feels he will behaving to face some very difficult questions | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
were he to attend the press conference this afternoon. | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
Cheers, John. More from John throughout the | :15:44. | :15:44. | |
morning. You'll know Lily Allen | :15:45. | :15:47. | |
for her hit songs like Smile You may also enjoy her | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
outspokenness on Twitter. But you've probably never | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
seen her like this. In the Calais camp, | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
meeting refugees. It's due for demolition | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
soon, and could start But there are concerns | :16:00. | :16:02. | |
about what could happen to the hundreds of vulnerable | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
and unaccompanied children there. This week, the Home Secretary vowed | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
to speed up plans to resettle hundreds of those vulnerable | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
children in the UK Charities are calling | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
for the Government to do more, saying many of these children | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
will simply disappear. Lily Allen has been to meet | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
some of those children living in the Jungle, | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
many of them wanting Our reporter Catrin Nye went | :16:28. | :16:28. | |
with her exclusively Calais' makeshift refugee | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
camp, the Jungle. Home to around 10,000 | :16:34. | :16:47. | |
people, including children. This place has been | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
partially demolished once But the French government | :16:52. | :16:52. | |
want it gone again. And will start knocking it | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
down within weeks. A world away from the squalor | :16:58. | :17:07. | |
of the camp, Lily Allen is working on a new album in | :17:08. | :17:10. | |
a studio in London. What do you think you can | :17:11. | :17:14. | |
achieve by going there? On a personal level, | :17:15. | :17:21. | |
I hope to see things for myself so that I know and I can | :17:22. | :17:30. | |
talk openly about it, having experienced it, | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
even for a very short And humanise the people that | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
are there because, All these articles which are very | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
dehumanising about people I'm a mother, I've got | :17:42. | :17:48. | |
two little girls. And if something happened in this | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
country, and if something was to happen to me and their dad, | :17:54. | :17:55. | |
and they were displaced and they had to make a run for it, | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
I really hope that other parts of the world were a little bit more | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
helpful than we seem to be being. It would seem to me that there | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
are people that have been driven very far away | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
from what they know and love, I don't think anyone would choose | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
to live in the Jungle. With Lily on the strip | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
is Josie Norton. Josie used to work in the music | :18:19. | :18:26. | |
industry before giving it up to start a charity called | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
Help Refugees a year ago. Right next to the camp, | :18:32. | :18:43. | |
this massive warehouse shows the scale of the charity work that's | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
quickly emerged to provide for those An army of volunteers | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
looks after constantly My kids said that | :18:50. | :19:02. | |
you could have it! Snow White costume, which will come | :19:03. | :19:22. | |
in pretty handy, I'm sure! And then it's time | :19:23. | :19:34. | |
to enter the Jungle. Lily Allen's never been | :19:35. | :19:43. | |
to a refugee camp of any kind, This is a bus for women | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
and children in the camp. Volunteers here tell Lily that one | :19:47. | :19:57. | |
of the things they're constantly doing is telling young people, | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
like this Afghan teenager, to apply for asylum in France, | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
rather than constantly risking their lives jumping | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
on trucks to the UK. They are risking their lives every | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
time they go out to try. And they're going out to the lorry | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
parks or to the motorway to try to stow away | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
on the back of lorries. Not just deaths, because you hear | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
about people being killed, you're not hearing about people | :20:23. | :20:28. | |
who are severely injured. So there's a number of children that | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
have been severely injured. One of the main reasons that | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
Lily is here is to meet for herself people like him, | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
children and teenagers calling There are 1,022 unaccompanied | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
children in this camp. With the imminent closure | :20:42. | :20:51. | |
of the camp, they are at massive risk of trafficking or just | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
getting lost in the system. A huge proportion of them have got | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
the right to be in the UK because they have family there, | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
and another huge proportion of them have the right to be in the UK | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
because of the passing And, still, right now, | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
there's not one child been brought The Dubs amendment was an agreement | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
by the UK Government to take in unaccompanied refugee | :21:14. | :21:22. | |
children from Europe. At this youth centre in the camp, | :21:23. | :21:23. | |
there's a sense of urgency today. The volunteers of recording details | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
of the teenagers here. So they can try and keep track | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
of them when they camp's demolished and continue trying to get those | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
who have the right to be So, what I want is anybody who has | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
family in England that hasn't Lily meets this 13-year-old | :21:37. | :21:47. | |
from Afghanistan. He's been in the camp | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
for two months now. The camp's closing | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
in a couple of weeks. So, you've been trying to jump | :21:59. | :22:15. | |
on lorries to get over into the UK. That must be terrifying, | :22:16. | :22:27. | |
is it scary? And I know you're trying to get | :22:28. | :22:52. | |
onto the lorries every night but, from what I'm hearing | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
from the refugees and volunteers here in the camp, you've got a legal | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
right to be in the UK. So, I wonder, have you | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
started that process? Just seems at three different | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
intervals in this young boy's life, the English in particular | :23:07. | :23:36. | |
have put you in danger. We have bombed your country, | :23:37. | :23:38. | |
put you in the hands of the Taliban, Risking your life to get | :23:39. | :23:42. | |
into our country. I apologise on behalf of my country, | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
I'm sorry for what we've I am now making you do this | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
interview! I'm shocked, really, | :23:54. | :24:43. | |
that this is happening in such close proximity to, | :24:44. | :24:51. | |
you know, where we live. Life is easier for me if I put this | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
stuff out of mind, do you know? And that's not really right, | :24:57. | :25:15. | |
correct or appropriate response And I think it must be than not | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
knowing, the uncertainty I know I wouldn't like to end | :25:18. | :25:36. | |
up here, though. I certainly wouldn't | :25:37. | :25:59. | |
want my children to end up here. Catrin Nye reporting, and that film | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
was directed by Joshua Baker. And Lily Allen will be here live | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
just after 10am to talk The Home Office says more than 80 | :26:08. | :26:09. | |
unaccompanied children had been And earlier this week, | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
the Home Secretary Amber Rudd said the names of the unaccompanied | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
children living in the camp who are eligible to be brought | :26:22. | :26:24. | |
to Britain would be given The company at the centre | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
of a scandal which saw so many of your tax credits wrongly | :26:28. | :26:39. | |
stopped is being made to give We'll hear from three claimants | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
who'll also be appearing to tell MPs Is a five-year maximum sentence | :26:44. | :26:46. | |
for stalking enough? One group of MPs says it should be | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
doubled to ten years. If you've been the victim | :26:55. | :26:57. | |
of stalking, do tell We'll be hearing from the singer | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
for the Noisettes, who's decided to speak out for the first time | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
about her experience Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :27:08. | :27:10. | |
with a summary of today's news. Figures seen by the BBC have | :27:11. | :27:23. | |
revealed a sharp increase in hospital admissions in England | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
as a result of allergic reactions. In the last five years, | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
cases have climbed to almost 30,000 During the same period, | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
average hospital admissions Labour is putting pressure | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
on the Government to set out its Brexit strategy | :27:38. | :27:43. | |
in more detail. Theresa May said Parliament should | :27:44. | :27:52. | |
not undermine their strategy. Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir | :27:53. | :28:00. | |
Starmer and Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry have asked | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
for clarification on 170 questions, one a day until the Prime Minister's | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
self-imposed deadline to start The party will also stage a debate | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
and vote in Parliament later. The Prison Governors Association has | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
called on the Government to set up an independent public | :28:13. | :28:14. | |
inquiry into the state The association, which is holding | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
its annual conference, is concerned about what it says | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
is the "unprecedented" rise The Government says it plans | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
to invest an extra ?14 million Seven-year-olds are being offered | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
health problems against the virus. The vaccine is already offered | :28:39. | :28:44. | |
to all primary-school pupils Will Young has announced he's | :28:45. | :28:46. | |
quitting Strictly Come Dancing. In a statement he told fans he'd | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
pulled out for personal reasons, but said he left with "joy | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
in my heart that I have been able to take part in one of the most | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
loved shows on British television". His performance on last week's | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
programme drew criticism from head judge Len Goodman who said | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
there was "not enough salsa" That's a summary of | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
the latest BBC News. Here's some sport now | :29:08. | :29:16. | |
with John Watson. England interim manager | :29:17. | :29:20. | |
Gareth Southgate says he inherited a mess when taking over | :29:21. | :29:23. | |
from Sam Allardyce two weeks ago. Things didn't look too great | :29:24. | :29:26. | |
on the pitch either in last night's 0-0 draw in Slovenia, | :29:27. | :29:28. | |
where they were indebted to goalkeeper Joe Hart for a string | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
of brilliant saves to earn a point England are now three | :29:31. | :29:34. | |
points clear of Scotland, who slumped to a 3-0 | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
defeat in Slovakia. Manager Gordon Strachan said | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
he "felt sorry" for his players. There was some encouragement | :29:44. | :29:46. | |
for Northern Ireland, though, who were 2-0 down to Germany | :29:47. | :29:49. | |
after 16 minutes but held Michael O'Neill's side now third | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
in their group. And British number two | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
Kyle Edmund lost to US Open champion Stan Wawrinka 6-3, | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
6-4 in the second round of the Shanghai | :30:00. | :30:01. | |
masters this morning. Andy Murray plays American | :30:02. | :30:03. | |
Steve Johnson later. The company at the centre | :30:04. | :30:11. | |
of a scandal which saw so many of your tax credits wrongly | :30:12. | :30:19. | |
stopped is due to give evidence to an influential | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
committee of MPs tomorrow. The American firm Concentrix | :30:23. | :30:24. | |
was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
by finding and stopping But last month this programme | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
exclusively revealed that many people were having their money | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
stopped by mistake, leading to some serious hardship for | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
those caught up in it. This programme has exclusively | :30:37. | :30:48. | |
learned that a 19-year-old mum had her child tax credit stopped | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
by a private firm used by HMRC after they said she was married | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
to a dead 74-year-old man She's one of hundreds of people | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
complaining they've been incorrectly punished by the American firm | :31:00. | :31:05. | |
Concentrix, which is employed by HMRC to cut tax credit | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
fraud and overpayment. I've lost ?64 each week, | :31:08. | :31:15. | |
and that normally, obviously goes on my son, on nappies, | :31:16. | :31:17. | |
buy his food, gas and electric, They absolutely unfairly stop | :31:18. | :31:20. | |
people's benefits on a really And there are many more | :31:21. | :31:29. | |
where those came from. As you'd expect, we asked | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
the private American firm, Concentrix, for | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
an interview. Instead, they told us: "We recognise | :31:40. | :31:40. | |
that individual tax credit claims We adopt a rigorous process at every | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
stage to ensure we manage this responsibly in full accordance | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
with guidance set by HMRC." I've done nothing wrong, | :31:50. | :31:51. | |
and they know that. My tax credit was cut | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
at the beginning of August. And I had a phone call with them | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
and it took me three to five hours a day for a week to actually get | :32:02. | :32:18. | |
hold of them. I lost my child tax credits | :32:19. | :32:21. | |
and Working Tax Credits, which is the bulk of | :32:22. | :32:23. | |
what I get each month. How much are you down by as a result | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
of what you say are their mistakes? I've had no money for two weeks now | :32:26. | :32:29. | |
and I've had to go to a food bank. Because of this, my housing benefit | :32:30. | :32:36. | |
could be stopped as well, which means that my tenancy | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
could be affected. Hours after we exclusively revealed | :32:41. | :32:42. | |
on this programme yesterday that a US firm was accused, | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
by hundreds of years, from police stopping your tax credits, | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs announced they would not be | :32:52. | :32:53. | |
renewing its contract HMRC has acted pretty | :32:54. | :32:55. | |
decisively in this. And, clearly, anyone who is dealing | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
with people who are claiming Needs to be sensitive to their needs | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
as well as, obviously, Why does it take the BBC's | :33:05. | :33:19. | |
programme, two days running, to bring ministers | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
to this despatch box? One day a member of my staff | :33:23. | :33:24. | |
is getting the runaround Yesterday, in Parliament, | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
the issue prompted an urgent Let's talk to our reporter, | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
Peter Whittlesey. Well, the latest from HMRC is today | :33:31. | :33:32. | |
they are getting executives from Concentrix in, and they'll be | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
talking to them about the issues that they need to address | :33:38. | :33:40. | |
because they are not Many MPs have talked | :33:41. | :33:42. | |
about the problems that They've also said that this | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
programme had highlighted what a big issue it was and how the mistakes | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
were affecting hundreds of people. Sources close to this have told me | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
that just before we did our report, our exclusive report, | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
HMRC and Concentrix were close Concentrix was only told an hour | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
before HMRC told the press that their contract wasn't being renewed, | :34:01. | :34:09. | |
and that's why some staff in Belfast heard that, potentially, | :34:10. | :34:12. | |
their jobs could be at risk through tweets from the BBC, | :34:13. | :34:14. | |
rather than from People crying down the phone, | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
saying that they are Have no food in the fridge | :34:17. | :34:29. | |
to feed their kids. We were dealing with people | :34:30. | :34:36. | |
claiming that they were We'll talk to some of those giving | :34:37. | :34:38. | |
evidence to that committee of MPs in a moment, but first our reporter | :34:39. | :34:55. | |
Peter Whittlesea has followed this story from the beginning | :34:56. | :34:57. | |
and joins me now. We've not heard from any | :34:58. | :34:59. | |
of the senior staff from Concentrix, Well, they have refused for a month, | :35:00. | :35:10. | |
we have been asking them. They can't refuse MPs and the influential work | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
and pensions Select Committee has said they want to speak to | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
Concentrix and they also want to speak to HMRC that's because Craig | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
McKinlay, Conservative MP, came on this show. He promised he would do | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
something and try and get to the bottom of what happened. He wrote to | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
the chair of that committee and this has happened. These people have been | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
called in front of the committee. Now this committee is the committee | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
that gave Sir Philip Green a grilling over the collapse of BHS. | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
Now sources close to the committee think they will do the same, they | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
will give the Philip Green to the Concentrix boss Philip Cassidy when | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
he appears before them tomorrow. They want to know what was happening | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
at that call centre. You heard people said they were in desperately | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
pressurised situation and they were having to take suicide callers on | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
the phone and they hadn't had the training for that and the committee | :36:04. | :36:06. | |
sources close to the committee said they want to know whether that's | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
true and what training staff actually had. When HMRC announced | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
that they would not be renewing Concentrix's contract, it was said | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
they told us, efforts are being made to fast-track those people who have | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
wrongly had their tax credits stopped so they will be reimbursed | :36:26. | :36:33. | |
ASAP, has that happened? HMRC took those, over thousands of them and | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
they said they would process them as quickly as possible. They had the | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
idea of once the paperwork was handed in and it was scanned it | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
would take four days. Now the problem is, taking that paperwork, | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
scanning t getting it on the computer system, has taken longer | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
than people expected. Also there have been problems because people | :36:53. | :36:55. | |
sent their original paperwork to Concentrix and then they didn't have | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
the right paperwork to send to HMRC, so they had to get duplicates which | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
led to more delays. So when people thought they could get their | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
benefits reinstated within four days, it has taken weeks and there | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
are many people out there on the Concentrix website that thought they | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
were That they would get it four days, but weeks on, they haven't had | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
their benefits backdated or paid. That's no good. Is anyone else | :37:21. | :37:28. | |
looking into what went wrong with Concentrix and HMRC? Normally HMRC | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
appears before the Public Accounts Committe. They look into seeing | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
whether Government contracts are value for money. Two members of that | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
committee told me that the Chief Executive of the HMRC will appear | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
before them on 26th October and they will ask questions of the Chief | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
Executive of HMRC, what went wrong, was this contract value for money? | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
And will give them another grilling on the 26th October. | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
Of course, we should say, of course, as we always do, we asked to speak | :37:59. | :38:03. | |
to HMRC and Concentrix and we have been asking them for weeks and weeks | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
and they keep saying no which is fine, there is no law to say they | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
have to come on this programme. It might be good for them to talk to | :38:11. | :38:17. | |
the people that they've placed in such hardship. | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
Let's talk to three of the people who wrongly had their tax credits | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
They are all also giving evidence in front of the Work | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
Also with me is the SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
who is going to table an emergency question in Parliamnet today | :38:35. | :38:36. | |
about delays some people are facing in getting their payments back. | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
Hello all of you. Thank you very much for talking to us. Marie, let's | :38:42. | :38:48. | |
start with you. Your tax credits were stopped because Concentrix | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
thought you weren't a single mum. They have been reinstated, how much | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
are they paying you back a week? They are paying not enough. A | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
reduced amount of money compared to what my previous claim was. | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
But have you got that in a lump sum? Is it... No. They are refuse, to go | :39:08. | :39:13. | |
give me my lump sum for the six weeks I was without payment. At the | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
moment I'm unable to pay back people I borrowed money from. So yeah, it | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
is not a good situation. What will you be saying to the committee of | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
MPs tomorrow? I will be wanting somebody to be accountable for a | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
disastrous contract. Whoever thought giving a contract that dealt with | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
people's lives with such, you know, benefits, you know, financially is | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
beyond me and I really want them to tell me why they gave, you know, | :39:41. | :39:44. | |
such perverse incentives to a private company. That's the | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
performance related element of the contract. Sarah, yours were stopped | :39:48. | :39:52. | |
too. How long have you spent on the phone trying to get them reinstated? | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
I went through my mobile phone bill and I figured out that I have been | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
on the phone to HMRC and Concentrix over this past four weeks I have | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
been on the phone 19 hours and 57 minutes and that's just my mobile. | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
I've used other people's house phones such as my parents as well. I | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
don't know the full figure, but all I know, it has consumed my life and | :40:16. | :40:19. | |
affected my children and it just been an awful situation. Have you | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
succeeded in getting them reinstated? I haven't, no. They have | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
agreed to pay me a lump sum and I haven't had any letters back to say | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
that my case has been overturned. It was just a phone call that I made. | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
I've literally called them every day to try and get an update because my | :40:39. | :40:41. | |
information has been lost three times. So I've had to send in again. | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
So I was really concerned as to where the paperwork went. And also | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
contacted my MP who is helping me. So I've got a payment coming in | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
today funny enough, but you know, it is not for the full amount that they | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
owe me. But it is a start and at least, you know, I've got some sort | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
of a decision and hopefully receive the letter explaining what it is. | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
Paul, a Vice-President from Concentrix, it sounds very grand, | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
doesn't it, will be appearing in front of the committee tomorrow. | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
What would you like to ask that Vice-President? There is one thing | :41:17. | :41:20. | |
I'd like to ask is more about the paperwork that's gone missing. My | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
paperwork went missing in May and they said they never received it and | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
I never got any warning when my payments were stopped at the | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
beginning of August. Now, we have got evidence that we will be raising | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
at Parliament tomorrow that will show they're sending other people's | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
documents back when they return people's documents. So they're | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
sending the wrong documents... They're sending the wrong documents | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
back to the wrong people and we have got evidence that we will raise at | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
Parliament tomorrow for this. I would like to ask him how because if | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
that happened to my paperwork, I'd like to know where mine has gone as | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
well? There could be serious data protection issues. Very serious data | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
protection issues. Were you aware of this? I didn't know about documents | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
going to other places. You will be aware on 14th September the | :42:07. | :42:09. | |
financial second to the Treasury said at the dispatch box there would | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
be a four day turn around for money to be in people's banks once the | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
paperwork was received. We contacted HMRC on 29th September in relation | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
to a constituent and we were told it was a two to three week period they | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
would be looked at. In the meantime, we have people who have wrongly had | :42:30. | :42:34. | |
their tax credit claims stopped, mother who, one of my constituents | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
whose childcare arrangements, can't afford to play her childminder. | :42:42. | :42:44. | |
Therefore can't go to work and had to resign from employment, can't get | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
any other benefits because of that and now she has nothing. One of my | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
other constituents signed themselves out of hospital with a suspected | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
heart attack because she had to deal with this. Another constituent can't | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
send her child to school because she can't afford the lunch money. These | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
are victims of other people's mistakes and mess and they're | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
suffering. They are contacting our offices and they are at their wit's | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
end. It can't get any worse for them. It has been a payment offer of | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
?100 from HMRC, there is no clarity around that payment. It is an | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
interim payment. Some of my constituents are not take because it | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
is templed as a loan. I'm hoping the committee will be asking questions | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
tomorrow of Concentrix as to what has gone so terribly wrong? How can | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
we make sure this never happens again. And what support and training | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
has been given to the people at the other end of the phone calls of | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
people who are in desperate circumstances? HMRC told us we have | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
dealt with the majority of the cases. We will continue to do this | :43:57. | :44:00. | |
with the remainder of the case as quickly as possible whilst providing | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
the best possible customer service? Quickly as possible means nothing to | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
someone who wants to know how they're going to feed their children | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
today. I want to why the four day turn around is not happening. When | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
it will happen? People are desperate. I mean, Paul, you know, | :44:20. | :44:27. | |
the Concentrix mums Facebook page, there are dozens and dozens if not | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
hundreds and hundreds of stories of people in still in severe financial | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
hardship? There is a lot of people, we are getting 50 to 60 people a day | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
joining the website. At last count when I checked it there was 11474 | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
people active or still members of that page and there is people still | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
asking questions. The HMRC app updates, they are saying what it | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
does it mean, it says null against my payments. There is no backdated | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
payments, there is nothing listed for what's going on. Thousands of | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
people have questions and they need to know when they're getting any | :45:06. | :45:08. | |
money and it is just a shocking situation. | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
I am lucky, I have my parents, who support me with everything I did. If | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
I did not have them, I don't know what I would have done. I am six | :45:21. | :45:26. | |
weeks without payments, I am a disabled single mother, I used to | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
have a great job, and I would love to go back to work, but my health | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
does not allow it. I have had to cancel support at home because I | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
have had to use my personal independence payment money to get | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
food shopping for three weeks where I did not have any money at all. I | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
had to borrow money from my parents. It has been an awful situation. The | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
worst thing about this is it is not only as parents that are suffering, | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
it is our children, because my children, the difference in | :46:03. | :46:05. | |
behaviour with my four-year-old boy, because money is on the phone all | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
the time, money is in tears, mummy is so up and down, it is affecting | :46:11. | :46:15. | |
the children. That is what is most soul destroying for me. | :46:16. | :46:26. | |
We will continue to follow the story. Keep giving us your feedback, | :46:27. | :46:33. | |
when the money starts to come back to do, because you were instrumental | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
in helping us get the information out in the first place, so thank | :46:38. | :46:38. | |
you. Coming up, Lily Allen has been | :46:39. | :46:40. | |
meeting refugees in the jungle in Calais in an exclusive report | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
for this programme. She will be with us | :46:43. | :46:44. | |
in the studio just after 10am. The British world heavyweight | :46:45. | :46:58. | |
champion Tyson Fury faces being stripped of his licence to box at a | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
meeting of the British boxing board of control today. The case will be | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
examined by the board after a reported failed drugs test and his | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
admission in a magazine interview that he has taken lots of cocaine. | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
His supporters say he deserves compassion. It is a sad tale. They | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
say cocaine was that a rental to his career, not performance enhancing. | :47:21. | :47:27. | |
And a cry for help. If the board do decide to strip him of his licence, | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
he is almost certain to be forced to link wish the WBO and WBA titles he | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
won from Wladimir Klitschko a year ago. His team say he needs support, | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
not sanctions. This is him defending his outspoken persona after he | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
shocked the boxing world in November last year by beating Wladimir | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
Klitschko to secure the belts. You rarely get somebody who talks a | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
lot and backs it up. People thought I was just hot air. They thought I | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
was just lucky in 24 fights before that. How lucky can you get? | :48:03. | :48:10. | |
Here to talk about the board meeting is a professional boxer who | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
currently has the WBO middleweight title, and a good friend of Tyson | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
Fury's. When did you last speak to him? Yesterday. He is in a very dark | :48:22. | :48:33. | |
place at the moment. But there are signs that he has got the help that | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
he's getting from his uncle and dad, so they are good signs now. From the | :48:40. | :48:47. | |
last week. You don't have to tell me, but when you say a dog place, | :48:48. | :48:54. | |
what do you mean? Suicidal. We see it in all of sports stars, he is a | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
27-year-old man come back, he has put his name up there with the likes | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
of Floyd Mayweather. He is having suicidal thoughts? Yes. People need | :49:05. | :49:12. | |
to give him a bit of breathing space. Boxing can only save his | :49:13. | :49:19. | |
life. He has disciplined himself with his diet, with his life around | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
boxing, and if that gets taken away from him, I think he will not see | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
30. You are clearly saying, do not ship him of this license? I am | :49:32. | :49:39. | |
saying, step back, take a look at everything, I am sure he will free | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
the belts up so other people can fight until he is fit, but I think | :49:43. | :49:49. | |
it is a big mistake, taking his boxing licence away, because it is | :49:50. | :49:52. | |
like taking food away from a baby, they can't grow or my jaw. He needs | :49:53. | :50:00. | |
the licence to pull through. He is in a considerably bad place. Two | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
weeks ago I genuinely feared I would get a phone call to say he has ended | :50:06. | :50:11. | |
his life. Don't say that. If you take the licence away from him,... | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
This last week or so, he is starting to get a grip again. He has good | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
people around him, getting the right help, but if his licence gets taken | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
away, I don't know which way he will go. Even if he retains the licence, | :50:27. | :50:34. | |
he will not box for a while. This has not just happened overnight, it | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
has been going on for the last year. He got a superstar's welcome, then | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
he got racial abuse. His kids are getting it, his wife is getting it, | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
his parents. He is looking at it as if it is his fault. He has gone to a | :50:53. | :50:58. | |
dark place and turn to whatever he has turned to, I don't condone that, | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
but he is mentally unstable. I am happy when I spoke to him yesterday | :51:06. | :51:10. | |
that he sounds a bit more up in himself, but he still has a long way | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
to go. Do you believe there is a link with his mental health problems | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
and him taking cocaine? I have no him all of my life, I knew his | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
family all of my life, never in a million years would you ever dream | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
for him to do that. I thought somebody was having a laugh. Talking | :51:30. | :51:36. | |
to him, he is in a dark place. It was not nice to see, because | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
normally he is like a firework, he is a light, he brings so much | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
charisma to boxing, good and bad, he says some things he should not say, | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
but we are only human. It is not like any of his family, we have been | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
brought up not to do anything like this, in our culture it is a big no. | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
He has been in an incredibly low place. There are some people who say | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
if you take cocaine, not only are you breaking the law, it is | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
potentially performance enhancing. No, that cannot improve your | :52:16. | :52:24. | |
fighting. I read a lot about it, it takes fluid away from the brain, so | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
you can't absorb a shot that you would normally absorb. It is most | :52:30. | :52:40. | |
certainly not a performance drug. It is something he has turned to | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
because he is trapped in a corner where he has nothing else, he is | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
mentally down, he distances himself from everybody. Why did he tell a | :52:48. | :52:56. | |
magazine interview? I spoke to him not long ago, when he was on the | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
phone am I thought, this is a different man. If this is what it | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
does to you... I am world middleweight champion, I get | :53:07. | :53:14. | |
Internet trolls, from our contract -- culture we get called names, but | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
people look at him and think, he is a big heavyweight, he is a hard man. | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
He can look after himself, yes. But deep down, he is really soft, if we | :53:25. | :53:32. | |
see a homeless person, he is more likely to cry about that, he is | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
really soft hearted. For people to say it helps his performance, he did | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
not win those titles on cocaine. He has made a mistake, he has admitted | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
it and put his hands up, he has not denied it, and the board need to | :53:46. | :53:52. | |
look at that. If he frees up the belts to let other people fight for | :53:53. | :53:56. | |
them, so he is not holding anybody back, but I don't think his licence | :53:57. | :54:06. | |
should be taken away from him. Has he told you he would free up the | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
belts? He is the heavyweight champion of the world, nobody will | :54:12. | :54:17. | |
be the champion of the world unless they beat him, but he is in a dark | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
place, he will not be fighting for it a few months, so I imagine he | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
will. Is his boxing career over? I don't excite. I know how mentally | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
strong he can be. But he is at an all-time low. With the right people | :54:34. | :54:42. | |
around him, within six months, with the right help, we could see him | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
back in the ring. In six months? Yes, but if they suspended him for a | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
year, take his licence away for a year, two years, whatever, I don't | :54:53. | :54:59. | |
think... I know that we will have a phone call one day, saying his life | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
has ended or something like that, occurs this is his life. Even though | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
he has said that boxing has... Deep down, this is what has got him his | :55:11. | :55:16. | |
success. When people say he has done this because he wanted a good time, | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
you are not going to walk away from 6 million quid to 10 million quid | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
for something stupid, for one night. It is bad depression. I know he is | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
getting the right help, and I am happy he is, we just need other | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
people to support him. Including the board. Might advice to the board, if | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
he frees up the belts, he frees up the belts, but don't take his | :55:47. | :55:49. | |
livelihood away from him, he has been brought up since being a young | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
kid doing this, since the age of eight. If you take it away from him, | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
he will not look for a daily job in Tesco's. It will sink him more into | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
the soil. We will bring to the News and sport | :56:03. | :56:12. | |
in a moment, and the latest weather. Looking further ahead, don't forget | :56:13. | :56:22. | |
to join us on 17th October, when we will be live at the Olympic | :56:23. | :56:25. | |
homecoming parade in Manchester. We will have a special programme, | :56:26. | :56:34. | |
the latest total is something like... Loads and loads of Olympians | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
and Paralympians anyway comment on our programme, it is an audience | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
with Olympians and Paralympians. Loads of people in the audience who | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
are Olympics and paramedics fans, Games Makers from London. That is on | :56:50. | :56:51. | |
Monday from 9am. It is deja vu at the moment, it is | :56:52. | :57:04. | |
the same each day this week. The cold easterly breeze across eastern | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
parts of the UK. You have had showers already today. West is best | :57:09. | :57:15. | |
for the driest and sunniest weather. What have we seen today? Early | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
sunshine on the dog walk in fish bone, looked pretty nice. Some angry | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
clouds off the coast of Norfolk. The seagull would have been struggling | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
in the wind. It is a feature of the weather. The radar picture shows | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
where we have had the showers. Most frequent down the east of the UK. | :57:37. | :57:43. | |
They will tend to fade. Here is the picture at midday today. A lot of | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
clout running into eastern Scotland, you will be hard-pressed to see much | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
sunshine. A cube writer breaks at times across parts of eastern | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
England, especially East Anglia and the south-east of England. You can | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
see where the sunniest of the weather is, but catch a shower here | :58:01. | :58:08. | |
across eastern England, it could be on the heavy side. As they have | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
already been so far today. Does anything change for the rest of the | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
afternoon? Not really. On the coast, temperatures will be held down. This | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
is where you see most of the cloud, the most frequent showers moving in. | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
For South Wales and south-west England, sunshine. A bit further | :58:29. | :58:35. | |
away from the breeze. Not feeling too bad. But the breeze is a feature | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
through the night, still with a few showers in eastern parts, but there | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
will be clearer skies away from the showers, allowing temperatures to | :58:45. | :58:47. | |
fall lower tonight. You will notice a chill first thing tomorrow | :58:48. | :58:49. | |
morning. On Thursday, still the easterly | :58:50. | :59:02. | |
breeze, a bit stronger, it will feel caller. Some of the showers will be | :59:03. | :59:09. | |
heavier tomorrow. The greatest chances of getting the showers | :59:10. | :59:12. | |
further north. South Wales and southern England avoid most of the | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
showers. The temperatures slightly down tomorrow compared to today. On | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
Friday, some longer spells of rain, Thursday night into Friday, in | :59:22. | :59:29. | |
eastern Scotland. The tendency is for things begin to turn west | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
towards the end of the week. That is some think we will carry through | :59:34. | :59:36. | |
into the weekend, because we have low-pressure close by. We will | :59:37. | :59:42. | |
change the wind to a southerly, the temperatures may come up a few | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
degrees, but there will be bands of what weather moving through this | :59:47. | :59:48. | |
weekend, but drier, sunnier moments as well. | :59:49. | :59:51. | |
I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme. | :59:52. | :59:56. | |
Lily Allen visits the jungle in Calais to meet some | :59:57. | :59:58. | |
of the hundreds of children who've fled there alone hoping to start | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
Bombed your country, put you in the hands of the Taliban and now putting | :00:02. | :00:17. | |
you at risk, rising your life to get into our country. That seems - I | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
through. I can't... | :00:26. | :00:34. | |
She'll be live in the studio in a few moments time. | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
We'll talk to a mother who found out she had HIV two years ago - | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
something doctors had failed to diagnose for 30 years. | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
Is a five year maximum sentence for stalking enough? | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
One group of MPs says it should be doubled to ten years. | :00:49. | :00:56. | |
If you've been the victim of stalking, | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
We'll be hearing from the singer for the Noisettes who's decided | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
to speak out for the first time about her experience | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
Here is Annita the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :01:06. | :01:17. | |
Figures seen by the BBC have revealed a sharp increase | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
in hospital admissions in England as a result of allergic reactions. | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
In the last five years, cases have climbed to almost 30,000 annually - | :01:24. | :01:26. | |
In contrast, average hospital admissions went up by just 8%. | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
Doctors blame increased cleanliness but it's not clear what has happened | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
since 2011 to trigger such a marked increase. | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
There will not be a vote in Parliament on triggering Article 50 | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
for Brexit. The Prime Minister's spokesman has said. The comments | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
come as Labour prepares to put extra pressure in the Commons for more | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
detail on the Government's Brexit trat gee. Shadow Brexit second, sir | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
Keir Starmer and Emily Thornbury asked for clarification on 170 | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
questions. The party will also stage a debate and vote in Parliament | :02:09. | :02:09. | |
later. The Prison Governors Association has | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
called on the Government to set up an independent, | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
public inquiry into the state of The Association, which is holding | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
its annual conference, is concerned about what it says | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
is the "unprecedented" rise The government says it plans | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
to invest an extra ?14 million Lily Allen has called | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
on the Government to do more to help children living in the so-called | :02:32. | :02:39. | |
Jungle migrant camp in Calais. The French authorities have | :02:40. | :02:41. | |
committed to demolishing the camp, and re-locating its population | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
of nine thousand migrants and On her first visit, Lily Allen | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
described the situation as inhumane. I'm shocked, really, | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
that this is happening in such close proximity to, | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
you know, where we live. It feels like it's just people | :02:59. | :03:03. | |
just managing to cope. Something has to be done | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
because it can't really... And we will be hearing from Lily | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
Allen in a few minutes. Seven-year-olds are being offered | :03:09. | :03:22. | |
free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
health problems against the virus. The vaccine is already offered | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
to all primary school pupils A man in the United States has been | :03:32. | :03:33. | |
convicted of posting cyanide to a suicidal man in England, | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
leading to his death. Sidney Kilmartin, who is 54, | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
sent cyanide to 49-year-old Andrew Denton, of Hull, | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
who used it to kill He'd already posted a substance | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
he said was cyanide, but which was actually Epsom salts | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
to several suicidal people. Prosecutors said Kilmartin | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
wanted to stop Mr Denton Do get in touch with us | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live | :03:56. | :04:12. | |
and If you text, you will be charged Here's some sport now | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
with John Watson. Bill owe Joe Saunders on his friend | :04:17. | :04:36. | |
Tyson Fury. Fury is set to be stripped from his world titles. He | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
has admitted to taking cocaine. This is what Saunders said this morning. | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
I reckon it is a big, big mistake taking boxing licence away from him. | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
It is like taking food away from a baby, they can't grow, they can't | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
mature. He needs his boxing licence to pull what he's going through now. | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
He is in a bad, blasd. Two weeks a I generally feared I was going to get | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
a phone call to say, you know, he has ended his life. Really strong | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
comments there from Saunders. England Interim manager | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
Gareth Southgate didn't hold back when describing the current state | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
of the national team. He said he's inherited a mess | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
after watching his side draw with Slovenia in World Cup | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
Qualifying last night. England's hero was their goalkeeper | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
Joe Hart - who made a string of great saves to ensure | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
the game finished goalless. England failed to register a shot | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
on target in the first half. Wayne Rooney came on for the final | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
twenty minutes after being Southgate gave a fairly honest | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
asessment of where his team's at It has been an incredibly difficult | :05:33. | :05:52. | |
ten days in terms of not just the situation of taking over, but the | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
withdrawals through injury and to get four points, we would have liked | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
six, we would have liked to have scored more goals and we would have | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
liked to have been more fluid with the ball, but we sit top of the | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
qualifying group and that has to be the objective when we get through | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
the game against Scotland as well. Scotland manager Gordon Strachan was | :06:10. | :06:12. | |
honest in his assessment as well. Saying he felt sorry for his players | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
and the fans as they were beaten They're in the same group | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
as England, and play them next, A more encouraging evening | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
for Northern Ireland despite their 2-0 defeat by world | :06:28. | :06:47. | |
champions Germany in Hanover. Michael O'Neill's side were 2-0 down | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
after just 16 minutes with goals but then managed to hold | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
on for the rest of the game Northern Ireland are third | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
in their group So no goals between the three | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
Home Nations last night - but one nation who did score are San | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
marino who are definitely A nation with a population of just | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
33,000, playing Norway in Oslo, scored their first away | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
qualifying goal for 15 years. And here's the reaction | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
on Norway TV. To say they were unimpressed | :07:16. | :07:22. | |
is something of understatement. Incredibly with 13 minutes left | :07:23. | :07:38. | |
San Marino were still holding Norway to a 1-1 draw, | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
but three late goals Why did they turn the lights off? | :07:45. | :07:57. | |
The thought of watching that goal again was too much to bear. I was | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
being particularly stupid. Thank you very much, John. | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
The so-called Calais Jungle could be demolished as early as next week | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
and its 9,000 occupants will certainly be relocated, | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
the French government has promised, by the end of the year. | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
There are hundreds of unaccompanied and vulnerable children there, | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
and charities warn that many will simply go missing when it | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
closes, potentially into the hands of traffickers. | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
They're calling on the British Government to take in those children | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
and teenagers who have family ties in the UK. | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
The Home Secretary has vowed to speed up resettlement plans, | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
Lily Allen has been to the Jungle to see for herself | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
We'll speak to her in a moment, but first here's | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
a reminder of what she saw, a short extract | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
Calais' makeshift refugee camp, The Jungle. | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
Home to around 10,000 people including children. | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
The French government wants this place gone. | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
And will start knocking it down within weeks. | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
Today, singer Lily Allen is in the camp, meeting the children | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
and teenagers calling this place home. | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
There are 1,022 unaccompanied children in this camp, | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
at massive risk of trafficking or just getting lost in the system. | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
A huge proportion of them have got the right to be in the UK | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
because they have family there, and another huge proportion of them | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
have the right to be in the UK because of the passing of the Dubs' | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
At this youth centre, volunteers are trying to record | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
the details of anyone with the right to be | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
Lily meets this 13-year-old from Afghanistan. | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
He's been in the camp the two months now. | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
I know you're trying to get onto the lorries every night but, | :09:40. | :09:53. | |
from what I'm hearing from the refugees and volunteers | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
here in the camp, you've got a legal right to be in the UK. | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
So, I wonder, have you started that process? | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
It just seems at three different intervals in this young boy's life, | :10:06. | :10:25. | |
the English, in particular, have put you in danger. | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
We've bombed your country, put you in the hands of the Taliban, | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
Risking your life to get into our country. | :10:33. | :10:35. | |
I apologise on behalf of my country, I'm sorry for what we've | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
I know I wouldn't like to end up here, though. | :10:41. | :11:16. | |
I certainly wouldn't want my children to end up here. | :11:17. | :11:25. | |
And if you want to watch again - or share - that film you can find it | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
on our programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria and you can read | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
about Lily's experience in the Calais jungle on the BBC | :11:32. | :11:34. | |
Dave texts this, "When Lily Allen cried on your programme, I cried | :11:35. | :11:46. | |
too. Why isn't anybody?" Clare says, "All over Europe children are in | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
camps, how can we let this happen?" Another viewer says, "It looks like | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
the Home Office is finally starting to respond, but perhaps it is too | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
little, too late. Amber Rudd is talking of concentrating efforts to | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
children under 12. What will happen to the older children? Highly | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
vulnerable to people traffickers, do we not have a responsibility to all | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
children? Why is there suddenly an age cut off when it comes to Calais. | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
And Lily Allen is here now as is her friend Josie Naughton | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
Tell us why you wanted to see for yourself what was going on in the | :12:17. | :12:23. | |
refugee camp? I suppose just because I read a lot about it in the | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
newspapers and in the press. It kind of seems to be reported in a very | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
one dimensional way and I wanted to see it for myself really. For you | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
Josie, you have been there a number of times, how have things changed if | :12:38. | :12:40. | |
they have at all over the last six months? Over the last six months | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
there as been a lot of new arrivals because it is summer time, but | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
essentially the camp is just, it is not a place that people should be | :12:50. | :12:52. | |
living or people want to be living and I think at the moment there is a | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
real sense of desperation because there is 1022 unaccompanied children | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
living there and at the moment there is no plan in place for how those | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
children will be brought to safety before the demolition of the camp. | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
What did you think you would find there, Lily and how did the reality | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
compare? It was a lot bigger than I thought. I moon the numbers, you | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
know, have been, I read 3,000, 5,000, and it is more like 10,000, | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
really, isn't it? The sheer scale of it is what hit me, I think. As I | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
mentioned Home Secretary Amber Rudd saying that unaccompanied children | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
to the UK, we've accepted 80 so far. She wants a list, she wants names of | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
unaccompanied children living there who are eligible to be brought to | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
Britain. Is that enough from your point of view? I will hand you over | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
to Josie here. So people have been aware of the children living there | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
for well over a year now. There intrn names submitted to the Home | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
Office way back as far as July and even earlier. There are children | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
that have a legal right to come to the UK because they have family | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
here, but there are also children that have a right to come here | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
because of the Dubs amendment that was wassed in May that said that | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
unaccompanied refugee children should be given sanctuary. Some of | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
these children are as young as eight and they are so vulnerable. They | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
need to be protected as soon as possible. | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
So you're talking about speed then, are you? Rather than numbers? Speed | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
and numbers. Right. Every life is precious. So every single child | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
needs to be given protection, be that in France or here. That's a | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
good point of whether it is France or here. You will know that people | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
say if people have arrived in France, that's where they should | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
claim asylum. What is the big attraction with the UK? What do you | :14:47. | :14:53. | |
say to that? Well, I mean, this wages is happening all across | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
Europe. We were, I think, fifth largest economy in the world last | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
week, maybe they're sixth or seventh now! No, I think people think that, | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
you know, those people might assume that we can afford it. Whether | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
that's correct or not, I imagine that's probably why they're coming | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
here. Greece has got 60,000 and their economy... Is on the floor. A | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
lot of these people have got family here. If you lost everything you | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
had, your home, lots of your family, had maybe lost their lives in war | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
and you had one family member remember may think in the UK or | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
somewhere else, you would probably go and find that family member to | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
reach safety. And if you arrive in Europe and you | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
are treated so horribly, you are working towards the dream, it cannot | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
be this awful, people cannot be like this. | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
I am just escaping a war that has nothing to do with me. It is a | :15:52. | :16:01. | |
fantasy. A lot of those children have been in the camp for a year, | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
living in conditions that are so below standard, and they have been | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
in France and nobody has come to take them out of the situation. We | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
all have a responsibility to make them safe. One of the criticisms of | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
people like yourself is, we have got enough kids here that need help, we | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
can not afford to help kids, unaccompanied kids, although they | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
may be from all over Europe and further afield. If you are going to | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
spend hundreds of millions of pounds on getting involved in conflicts in | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
these areas, there has to be a contingency fund for the fallout. | :16:38. | :16:44. | |
These children have been displaced, they have had to run away from what | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
they know. We have to take the responsibility. You may have been | :16:50. | :16:55. | |
asked, would you take an unaccompanied child into your own | :16:56. | :17:06. | |
home? 100%. Who wouldn't? If there were children outside our front door | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
on their own as young as eight, there are not many people who would | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
not say, come inside. Just because they are across the channel does not | :17:15. | :17:22. | |
mean they don't deserve protection. By using your celebrity, you are | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
high profile, you can bring continued awareness to this, because | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
these kids have been there for a year, and there might be something | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
in the news a few months, but you bring renewed interest, which you | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
also get criticised for. What do you think about that? I have to switch | :17:40. | :17:47. | |
off from it. We live in interesting times, the media is very powerful. | :17:48. | :17:54. | |
20 or 30 years ago you could not be involved in music without having | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
something to stand for, but now we live in a time where you are not | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
allowed to stand for anything. But I see it as my responsibility. I | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
cannot switch off and turn a blind eye. Do you feel some kind of | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
censorship, you are not supposed to be allowed to stand up for a course? | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
Yes. Because of the pressure you might get online? Yes. And the | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
reaction in some of the mainstream media as well. There are think | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
pieces which will come out as a result of doing this which will be | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
very negative. But I just have to take that as it comes, I have to | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
stand up for what I believe, or else there is not any point. I am picking | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
up you don't like in the mainstream media. I like some aspects of the | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
mainstream media, it is not all negative, but I do think there is a | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
narrative and a rhetoric that is being pushed at the moment that I | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
don't really enjoy. Meaning? I don't really want to go to all of that. | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
This text says, the people in the jungle in a safe country, why does | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
everybody called for the British Government to do something? The | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
French Government is responsible and seems to be doing nothing. The | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
French should look after these people. One person, Lily Allen needs | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
to visit charities here and see how stretched we are in coping with | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
Children and Families Bill needing help. Michael says, anybody who is | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
anybody knows that the Calle camp should not exist, everybody should | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
be resident in the first safe country they landed in. They crossed | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
a dozen safe countries to get to France. Supercilious celebrities, if | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
they feel so strongly about it, why have they not held to their promises | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
and taken a refugee into their home? Because they are not being allowed | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
into the country. How can I? Are you saying you would do. Obviously, I | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
would have to go through the bureaucratic side, I am not going to | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
do it illegally, but these children are being displaced. Of course, | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
there is room for people in my house, I will take them in! Anybody | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
would. The idea of my children wandering around aimlessly without | :20:20. | :20:20. | |
anywhere to go... We have to let it go there, it is | :20:21. | :20:33. | |
happening, closer to us than Glasgow. Amber Road said in | :20:34. | :20:41. | |
parliament we have spent ?100 million on the situation in Calais, | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
but children are still living like this, so we need to make sure that | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
if we are spending taxpayers money, that children are protected. I want | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
to ask briefly about stalking. We will talk to a Conservative MP who | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
would like the maximum sentence to be doubled from five years in jail | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
to ten years in jail. You have experienced it over several years. | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
Your reaction to the potential idea of doubling the jail sentence? What | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
difference will it make? I am not an expert on the legal system, but I | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
would welcome it in some cases and not in others. It is about the | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
individual case. From your own experience, do you think it would | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
have a deterrent on somebody who was stalking someone else? All I can go | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
by is my own experience, my stalker suffers with mental illness, so it | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
would not have been a deterrent. Policing is the issue rather than | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
sentencing. Meaning you felt let down? You talked about it publicly, | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
and when we reflected the story, we had women getting in touch with | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
similar experiences. There are a lot more preventative measures that | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
could be taken. Our prisons are overstretched. I would rather see | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
more actions taken at the point of it being reported, rather than... | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
Thank you for coming on the programme. | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
Let's talk more about the maximum sentence for anybody caught stalking | :22:17. | :22:23. | |
to be doubled from five to ten years. | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
We can speak now to Alex Chalk, the Conservative MP who is lobbying | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
parliament to increase sentences, and Shingai Shoniwa, lead singer | :22:30. | :22:32. | |
of the band the Noisettes, who is speaking for the first time | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
about her experience of being stalked. | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
You have been and are still being stalked by an ex-partner. | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
Can you tell us some of what he has subjected you to? | :22:44. | :22:53. | |
The only way I can describe it, it is an excessive fixation and a very | :22:54. | :23:06. | |
terrorising desire to control and mutilate someone's life and build a | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
wall around them. It can happen on many different levels to people with | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
different profiles. It is this kind of behaviour, violating people's | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
boundaries, and making sure that they are always thinking about you. | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
It is a pattern that I feel precursors violent behaviour, and | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
most people who have been stalked and harassed have experienced | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
violent behaviour by the perpetrators. It is the beginning of | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
a really terrorising campaign, it is very difficult for somebody who is | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
obsessively fixated and compost to stop doing. The former partner in | :23:53. | :24:00. | |
this case denies the allegations, he is appealing against a conviction. | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
Tell our viewers about the impact on you, how it changes you. Changes how | :24:06. | :24:13. | |
you run your life. A lot of people that go through these experiences | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
are forced to navigate their life in such a way that they are continually | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
having to protect their previously, worrying about the safety of their | :24:24. | :24:31. | |
friends and their family. My creativity and positivity has not | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
been compromised, but professionally it holds everything you do, because | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
you don't want to mix being part of such a negative process with the | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
positive things that are going on in your life and work and job. Most | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
people know me as a positive voice bringing joy and sharing that | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
message, so for me to be able to come here and let people know that | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
things can be put in place and things need to be tightened, because | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
stalker is still lives, it is literally like murder in slow | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
motion, it is a sinister kind of personal terrorism that should not | :25:15. | :25:20. | |
be tolerated. As not just the victims but also advocacy services, | :25:21. | :25:27. | |
everything we lobby and four, is hopefully sending the message that | :25:28. | :25:30. | |
kind of behaviour will not be overrated, and you cannot go around | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
stalking and trying to kill people from the inside out slowly and shut | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
down that world, because it will not be tolerated. It is nothing I would | :25:41. | :25:48. | |
wish upon anybody. Tell us why you are thinking that it would be a | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
deterrent to double the sentence, the maximum sentence, from five | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
years to ten. That was incredibly powerful, and it is not unusual, I | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
have a constituent who was terrorised over the course of seven | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
years. When the judge had to deal with her stalker for the second | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
offence, the judge said, I don't have the powers I need to protect | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
the victim. Think about five years, if you plead guilty at the first | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
opportunity, because you only serve half, it is a maximum of 18 to 20 | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
months. This person had destroyed somebody's life for seven years, | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
they developed PTSD and had to give up their job. Compare it with other | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
offences, burglary, a mother violating offence, a maximum of 14 | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
years, and yet five years. King does not bear any comparison. Street | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
robbery is maximum life in prison. I am not saying that all offences need | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
a huge sentence, but where it is a repeat offence, somebody is being | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
robbed of their independence, the judge has got to have powers to be | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
able to protect the victim, and they don't have them. What was the | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
sentence in that case? The judge gave the maximum, but he said, if I | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
could give more, I would. You see so many women, the only time that they | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
are able to grow again as people, to live their lives, ill their | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
relationships and careers is whilst that person is in custody. They look | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
at the clock, when the person is getting closer to release data, and | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
you see their tension rising. Of course people need to be released | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
and rehabilitated and reformed, but equally we have to put victims | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
first, to ensure they are properly protected. The Government has done | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
great stuff by making it an offence, it was not until 2012,... I've | :27:41. | :27:47. | |
reported on it. It was a really important step, but the sentencing | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
still treated as a minor offence, but it is a serious offence. If it | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
was doubled to ten years, would it deter some people who perpetrate | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
stalking? Or is that not the point? The point is keeping somebody off | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
the street so the victim feels... That is the point. Stalkers tend to | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
be more sophisticated than your average criminal. They make a cost | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
in a fit and answers. At the margin, maybe some, but in the most serious | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
cases, for the judge to say, you have destroyed someone's life over a | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
repeated period of time, you have not listened to short sentences, you | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
will be out of circulation for a while, it is only then we do justice | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
for the victims. Stalkers tend to have this excessive, repetitive | :28:35. | :28:41. | |
offending profile about themselves. It is only a matter of time before | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
they choose and size at their next victim. The perpetrator involved in | :28:47. | :28:54. | |
my case used to brag about having ruined other people's lives before, | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
and that is when I saw warning signs. He would go around bragging | :28:58. | :29:06. | |
that he was above the law and it was exciting to damage people and to try | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
and play this psychological game that does not just affect them but | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
it extends to their families. It extends to dozens of the people | :29:16. | :29:20. | |
around them. You are not just attempting to destroy and assault | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
one person, there is a ricochet effect, and even like you said the | :29:26. | :29:38. | |
doctor in question had PTSD, and things like depression. That is an | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
illness that you are inflicting on somebody else. Did you fear for your | :29:43. | :29:51. | |
life? There is a survival instinct that kicks in. I definitely felt a | :29:52. | :30:01. | |
lot better once I came into contact with the charity and saw some of the | :30:02. | :30:07. | |
incredible stories. So many of these cases have resulted in fatalities. | :30:08. | :30:10. | |
And of grievous bodily harm situations. There are other things | :30:11. | :30:18. | |
that spiral off that stalkers will often do, which is hacking a fraud, | :30:19. | :30:24. | |
stealing money, all of the things that I have experienced as well. | :30:25. | :30:30. | |
There needs to be a message out there that actually we are equipped | :30:31. | :30:37. | |
to deal with you, otherwise people who have to not just fear for their | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
own safety, but for the safety of others around them, my folks had to | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
move house. This stalker turned up at a birthday | :30:43. | :30:52. | |
party that her daughter was. Sent a package that she knew where the | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
kids, where they lived and where the kids and a message when he came out | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
of prison, "Guess who is back?" It is unbelievably menacing. It is | :31:03. | :31:06. | |
invasive and it is violating. It can be the gateway to very serious | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
violence. If you look at the Metropolitan Police statistics about | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
domestic violence, the proportion that have been proceeded by an | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
episode of stalking is eye watering. It is close to 40%. So it is about, | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
it is all about protection this and at the moment the law could go | :31:21. | :31:23. | |
further. OK, thank you very much. | :31:24. | :31:32. | |
I would like to add as well - there is a petition to create a register | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
for stalkers, you know, and harassers, people who have been | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
convicted so in my case, the perpetrator would have to sign an | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
offenders register such as sex offenders and other criminals have | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
to do so because then people can know when they go into those | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
communities and try to reoffend or seek work that they're going to be | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
blocked unless rehabilitated. OK. Thank you. Thank you so much for | :32:00. | :32:07. | |
having us. Not a problem. Thank you. You should contact the police if you | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
are being stalked and there are charities who can help you include. | :32:11. | :32:18. | |
We'll be talking to a mother with HIV who went | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
Vanessa Roberts only found out she has HIV. | :32:23. | :32:44. | |
With 70 stars of Rio 2016. There will be an audience of people who | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
loved the Olympics and the Paralympics, that's our programme on | :32:49. | :32:50. | |
Monday live from Manchester. With the news, here's Annita | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. Figures seen by the BBC have | :32:56. | :32:57. | |
revealed a sharp increase in hospital admissions in England | :32:58. | :33:02. | |
as a result of allergic reactions. In the last five years, cases have | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
climbed to almost 30,000 annually - In contrast, average hospital | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
admissions went up by just 8%. Doctors blame increased cleanliness | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
over the last 100 years, but it's not clear what has happened | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
since 2011 to trigger Ten Downing Street has confirmed | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
this morning that MPs won't get to vote on triggering Article 50 | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
to start the process However there's increased pressure | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
for a vote on the Government's And Labour is also demanding more | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
detail on strategy. The party is staging a debate | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
in Parliament later, while Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
Keir Starmer, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry, | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
have asked for clarification Lily Allen has called | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
on the Government to do more to help children living in the so-called | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
Jungle migrant camp in Calais. The French authorities have | :33:57. | :33:59. | |
committed to demolishing the camp, and re-locating its population | :34:00. | :34:01. | |
of 9,000 migrants and refugees, On her first visit, Lily Allen | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
described the situation as inhumane. Seven-year-olds are being offered | :34:04. | :34:15. | |
free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
health problems against the virus. The jab is already offered | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
to all primary school pupils Will Young has announced he's | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
quitting Strictly Come Dancing. In a statement he told fans he'd | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
pulled out for personal reasons, but said he left with "joy | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
in my heart that I have been able to take part in one of the most | :34:38. | :34:40. | |
loved shows on British television". His performance on last week's | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
programme drew criticism from head judge Len Goodman who said | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
there was "not enough Join me for BBC | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
Newsroom live at 11am. Here's some sport now | :34:49. | :35:00. | |
with John Watson. Boxer Billie Joe Saunders says | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
Tyson Fury could take his own life if his boxing licence is stripped | :35:04. | :35:10. | |
after he admitted taking Cocaine. Speaking on this programme he said | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
Fury would slip deeper into depression if his ability | :35:13. | :35:15. | |
to box was taken away, as he tries to deal with his | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
mental health problems. England interim manager | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
Gareth Southgate says he inherited a mess when taking over | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
from Sam Allardyce two weeks ago. In last night's 0-0 draw | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
in Slovenia, they were indebted to goalkeeper | :35:28. | :35:29. | |
Joe Hart for a string England are now three points clear | :35:30. | :35:32. | |
of Scotland who slumped Manager Gordon Strachan | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
said he "felt sorry" And it's a winner takes | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
all in the final one day match between England and | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
Bangladesh in Chittagong. People with HIV are being diagnosed | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
late because hospitals and GP practices in England and Scotland | :35:50. | :36:01. | |
are ignoring guidelines and failing Dr Faye Kirkland, who is a GP | :36:02. | :36:03. | |
and a reporter, has the story. In the UK, more than 100,000 people | :36:04. | :36:14. | |
are living with HIV. About 18,000 people in the country | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
are thought to be living Last year, nearly 40% of adults | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
diagnosed with HIV only found out in the late stages of infection, | :36:23. | :36:29. | |
often meaning they were more unwell, more unlikely to be admitted | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
to hospital, and have longer to unknowingly pass the disease | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
to their sexual partners. To tackle this, eight years ago, | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
the British HIV association, who advise on HIV care, | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
issued guidance, saying that in the high-risk areas shown here, | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
where there are more than two in 1,000 people diagnosed, | :36:51. | :36:52. | |
GPs should consider offering all patients an HIV test | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
when they register. And also in hospitals | :36:58. | :36:59. | |
when patients are admitted In 2013, the guidance | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
was strengthened, saying It's backed by public | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
health England. Here in St Thomas' in London, | :37:07. | :37:13. | |
they have the highest rates of HIV in the local community in the whole | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
of the UK. So, for the last 14 months, | :37:17. | :37:18. | |
all patients over 16 who have a blood test here in A | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
are also given a test for HIV, unless the patient decides | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
they don't want it. So, patients are given | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
a leaflet on arrival, and there are posters explaining | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
about the testing scheme. The benefit for these | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
patients is enormous. We're literally talking | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
about saving someone's life. If you can detect HIV | :37:40. | :37:41. | |
before someone gets sick, you can offer them treatment | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
and prevent further illness. In the old days, we would mainly | :37:44. | :37:45. | |
diagnose HIV in sexual health Because that's when most | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
of the testing was. We're actually diagnosing twice | :37:49. | :37:57. | |
as many people in the emergency department as we are in the sexual | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
health which is extraordinary. We can also see the impact | :38:02. | :38:04. | |
on inpatient admissions. So by picking people up earlier, | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
we are preventing people getting And we've seen a 15% drop | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
in inpatient episodes That more than offsets | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
the cost of testing. In England, local authorities | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
are responsible for funding HIV 82% of these hospitals are not | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
testing in this way. And 70% of local authorities are not | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
funding HIV tests for people But the local health boards | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
do not offer testing This failure to fund, and this | :38:36. | :38:43. | |
failure to test, is risking lives. It's costing lives, and it's also | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
costing new infections. HIV testing is one of the very best | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
interventions in terms What's been shown in many, | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
many studies is a barrier Patients, when it is explained | :38:55. | :39:02. | |
to them why it should be done, But staff members feel | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
uncomfortable, they don't The stigma of HIV comes | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
out and comes forward. The Department of Health | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
spokesperson said, "While councils have had to make savings, | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
they've also shown that good results can be achieved at the same time, | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
and are best placed to understand Significant progress is being made | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
to diagnose HIV early." And the Scottish Public Health | :39:26. | :39:37. | |
Minister said, "Prevention of HIV infection remains a priority | :39:38. | :39:40. | |
for the Scottish Government. The Beaver guidelines are good | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
practice and we would expect boards to take them into account | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
while developing their And what we've seen in this | :39:46. | :39:46. | |
population is many more white heterosexual men, slightly different | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
to the population we've And that's a really | :39:52. | :39:53. | |
important message. If you just focus on populations | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
were traditionally we've seen more Local authorities are keen to point | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
out that they do fund testing in other settings, such | :40:03. | :40:11. | |
as sexual health clinics. But experts say this strategy alone | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
is resulting in patients with an undiagnosed infection | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
slipping through the net. So tell us why local councils are | :40:16. | :40:30. | |
not funding? Well, the guidelines that you just heard about are | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
actually also co-authored by a number of organisations and one was | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
the Local Government Association. So in England there are 150 local | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
authorities where they have got responsibility for funding public | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
health services and a third of them are in high risk areas. Now, I asked | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
the Local Government Association if they signed up to this, why councils | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
aren't doing it? They told me there is hand about a squeeze on the | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
budget for public health in England and they are keen to point out they | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
test in other settings. There are no risk areas in Wales or Northern | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
Ireland. But some GP surgeries are not testing even when they are | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
funded? I asked the councils who are funding the GP surgeries how many | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
GPs surgeries are doing it. One council told me they were happy to | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
fund the GP surgeries, none of taken them up on the offer. 60% of GP | :41:25. | :41:32. | |
surgeries take up the offer, but 40% don't, there are multiple reasons, | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
one was the shortage of GPs and when the scheme is implemented they think | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
that staff get ineffective training on how well it is to manage it. What | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
does it mean for patients? Well, I showed our findings to our leading | :41:45. | :41:49. | |
HIV charities, the Terrence Higgins trust, the British Association of | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
Sexual health and HIV and the National AIDS Trust. All said for | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
patients this may mean some patients are not diagnosed until the late | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
stages of their infection which means patients end up in hospital or | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
unknowingly pass the infection on to other people. It is good for | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
patients, but it is cost effective for the NHS. OK, thank you. | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
And there is plenty more on the story on Radio 4's | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
We can talk now to Vanessa Roberts, who was diagnosed with HIV in 2014 | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
after living with the virus unknowingly for over 30 years. | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
Which just seems astonishing... Yes, it is a rather unbelievable story, | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
isn't it? But it is my story. Tell us when you first started having | :42:35. | :42:40. | |
symptoms and how old you were? Well, looking back I suppose symptoms | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
first started appearing when I was in my early 20s, but I didn't | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
recognise them as being symptoms of HIV infection. It was like what? OK, | :42:47. | :42:57. | |
it was things like skin infections, ear infections, verrucas, lots of | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
niggly things, bronchitis, things like that, I couldn't breathe very | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
well through nigh nose. I had my adenoids out twice because they grew | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
back and as the years went by those symptoms kind of got worse, but | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
there was nothing really major that made anybody concerned that there | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
was something seriously wrong with me. Certainly during that time | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
nobody ever suggested I get a test. It never occurred to you? No. , | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
Because... Why would it? Well, I had been aware when I was young that I | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
may have put myself at risk and I was very aware of the campaign in | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
the 80s about HIV AIDS, but I went on and I got married, I had two | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
children who grew up healthily, and I kind of assumed I didn't have it, | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
put it to the back of mined and didn't think anymore about it. How | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
was it that I came to be diagnosed a couple of years ago? Right, well I | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
had a medical problem they wasn't sexually related, but I couldn't get | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
an appointment with my GP for two weeks and I knew that I could get | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
treatment for this at the gum clinic and they had a drop in. I took | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
myself to the drop in. And I got the treatment for the thing that I had, | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
it was a minor thing and while I was there, they offered me a routine | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
blood screening test that they offered everybody at the sexual | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
health clinic and I accepted it because I didn't want to be | :44:26. | :44:27. | |
difficult really. You know when you go to the GP and they say, "We have | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
a student is that OK and you say yes." So I accepted the test and | :44:32. | :44:36. | |
thought nothing more of it and didn't expect it to show anything | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
and three days later I got a text message while I was at work from the | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
clinic saying please phone us immediately. So I'm a grief | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
counsellor, I went into a private room and I phoned up and they said, | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
"You need to come become to the hospital immediately." I said what | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
sort? They said there is a problem with one of your tests and I said | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
I'm not coming unless you tell me. And they said, "You're | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
HIV-positive." I felt as if my world was falling apart. My knowledge of | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
HIV went back to the ad in the 80s, I thought I was going to die by the | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
end of the week, it was a frightening thing. | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
My main concern was that I would die immediately. Which was illogical. | :45:21. | :45:30. | |
But that is what was in my mind. The other concern was for my children. | :45:31. | :45:39. | |
They were in their 20s. I was very concerned about them. My daughter | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
had donated blood in the past, I thought she was OK, but I was | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
concerned for my son and husband at the time and my ex-husband, the | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
father of my children. Could you work out how you contracted it? Yes, | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
from the blood results that were taken, the doctors established I had | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
had the virus for a long time. Looking back at my medical and | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
sexual history, it had to predate my first marriage. I had an episode at | :46:08. | :46:17. | |
19, in 1983, at university in Aberdeen, I was hospitalised with a | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
mystery virus. I had been having a relationship with a guy from Malawi, | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
a visiting student. I was hospitalised for a feud days and I | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
was told, you have had a virus, we don't know what it was but you are | :46:36. | :46:43. | |
fine now. That was it, for 31 years. Do you think a mandatory test like | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
we were talking about earlier would make a huge difference? Some | :46:49. | :46:57. | |
difference? It is vital. When people are diagnosed these days, and they | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
get on the medication, the medication these days is pretty | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
nontoxic, very few side effects, you can live a normal life with them. | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
You quickly become something called undetectable, meaning that the viral | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
level in your blood is solo that you are not infectious and you cannot | :47:20. | :47:22. | |
transmit the virus, even through unprotected sex. It is vital for | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
everybody that has this virus in their body to become aware of their | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
status, get on the medication and become undetectable. That way we | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
eradicate the virus. It is all very well looking for a cure, and I still | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
feel that if you years down the line, but everybody is put on | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
medication, we can eradicate this, and surely that is the best course | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
of action. Now you have accepted the diagnosis, had time to reflect on | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
it, you are smiley and positive. I am not a victim and I am not into | :48:02. | :48:05. | |
self signifies Asian, which I have experienced from other people which | :48:06. | :48:13. | |
are living with HIV. The stigma is real, it is not an easy thing to | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
admit you have, I feel it has enriched my life, though. I am | :48:18. | :48:24. | |
fortunate in that I am surrounded by accepting, positive people. My | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
children and two ex-husbands do not have the virus, that was another | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
fortunate thing. I have travelled to America and met women with HIV | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
there. I try to tell everybody about it. It is a non-issue now, although | :48:39. | :48:44. | |
I appreciate for many it is still a big issue. It is for those people | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
that I am speaking. Still to come, allergies | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
are now affecting more people than ever before, | :48:51. | :48:52. | |
but doctors say they know why. Now about an hour ago, | :48:53. | :49:00. | |
we were talking about the company Concentrix, which is at the centre | :49:01. | :49:09. | |
of a scandal which saw so many Paul had his wrongly stopped, he | :49:10. | :49:20. | |
will give evidence to MPs investigating the company. He told | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
us earlier on the programme that he knew of people who had received the | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
wrong person's tax details and documentation, including their full | :49:30. | :49:33. | |
statement of earnings for the year and their national insurance number, | :49:34. | :49:37. | |
which would be a serious breach of data protection rules. | :49:38. | :49:39. | |
We have evidence that we will race tomorrow that will show they are | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
sending other people's documents back when they return documents. The | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
wrong documents? To the wrong people? We have evidence that we | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
will raise tomorrow. In a minute, one woman who that has | :49:55. | :50:01. | |
happened to. First, Peter is back, having tried to speak to HMRC and | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
Concentrix. They have said they treat the protection of customer | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
information extremely seriously, they have robust processes in place, | :50:11. | :50:17. | |
and they are very serious about the protection of personal information | :50:18. | :50:19. | |
and able look into these allegations straightaway. Sources close to | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
Concentrix say that they also have processes in place to deal with | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
this. There has been a quick tot up online of harmony people they | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
believe have been sent other people's personal information, they | :50:36. | :50:38. | |
believe it is around about 100 people have been sent things like | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
anchor statements on self-assessment of other people and national | :50:43. | :50:51. | |
insurance numbers. Let's talk to a woman whose child tax cut its worst | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
opt, and you were sent the wrong documents, somebody else's? Yes, my | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
name and address of the heading, but it was their national insurance | :51:04. | :51:09. | |
number and their financial tax year. And the claim number. Concentrix | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
were not aware until I made them aware. You got another woman or man? | :51:15. | :51:22. | |
Another woman, I don't even know, never heard of her in my life. What | :51:23. | :51:31. | |
did they say? They did not know. An American bloke came back on the | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
phone, and said, what is your problem? I put the phone down on him | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
and got on to HMRC, who said they were looking into it, but I never | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
heard anything more. I e-mailed my MP to tell him. They told him they | :51:47. | :51:54. | |
are asking for the letter back. They sent me a letter asking for the | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
letter back. We are showing it to our audience now, it says, dear Mrs | :52:00. | :52:06. | |
Whitaker. It doesn't matter to you that you got Mrs Whitaker's details, | :52:07. | :52:15. | |
but I am sure it will matter to her. Yes, she does not even know it | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
happened. Serious eater protection issues. Thank you for talking to us. | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
Her child tax credits were stopped and she was then sent the wrong | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
documents back. They say they have robust procedures in place, but not | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
that robust. That is the question, how robust they? The MPs were | :52:40. | :52:41. | |
looking to this tomorrow when they go before the committee and they | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
will ask not only what went wrong but also, are there any alleged | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
breaches of personal data? Also HMRC refused to come on the programme, | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
they do watch it, because they have e-mailed me and said they would like | :52:57. | :52:59. | |
to clarify that the reassessment of people's claims takes 15 days | :53:00. | :53:06. | |
maximum, and within four days they get payment. Interesting that they | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
watch us. They did not tell us that initially, they made it say that it | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
was four days and then you get the money back, but now it is 15 days to | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
reassess, and once they have decided, it should be for days to | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
get the money back. If they came on, they could say that more easily than | :53:23. | :53:24. | |
through e-mails. "It's weird to look at a meal | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
and know that it could kill you." So says one sufferer | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
of life-threatening allergies, which are now affecting more | :53:35. | :53:35. | |
people than ever before. Doctors say they know why there's | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
been such a mighty increase in severe allergic reactions | :53:39. | :53:40. | |
in England in the last five years. They blame the fact that we're | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
living in a much-cleaner world But what's happened since 2011 | :53:44. | :53:45. | |
to drive up hospital admissions for anaphylactic shock and other | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
allergic reactions by a third? Ruby Scott is a student | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
at Newcastle University who discovered she had an allergy | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
when she ate a peanut sandwich And with us in the studio | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
is Hazel Gowland, who's the founder of Allergy Action and is the food | :54:01. | :54:11. | |
adviser for the Anaphylaxis Tell us about your experience. I | :54:12. | :54:27. | |
went to an Indian takeaway and asked for a chicken korma. I told them I | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
had a peanut allergy and they said it would be fine. I took it home and | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
as soon as I had my first bite, my lips started to tingle, I came out | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
in hives everywhere, started to feel sick, my throat started to close up, | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
and I got rushed to hospital. A really scary experience for | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
everyone, especially me. What is it like Tom are living with that risk | :54:52. | :55:00. | |
through your whole life? It is really weird, watching other people | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
eat something that I know would kill me. And going to restaurants and | :55:03. | :55:10. | |
having to be so careful in what I am eating, asking for an allergen menu | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
will stop it is really scary, knowing that you could eat something | :55:14. | :55:22. | |
and I. It is really weird. What is it that you are campaigning for? I | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
also have a peanut allergy. I have had it all my life. We are trying to | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
enable people with allergies to get proper diagnosis so when they go to | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
hospital they get the best possible outcome, support for any future | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
reactions, helps to know what they are allergic to, to know exactly how | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
to manage and treat it and avoid the things they need to avoid. What did | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
you think of this suggestion that the reason that admissions have gone | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
up is because we are just to clean? It is part of the story but not the | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
whole story. Let's deal with that. I thought that was an urban myth, but | :56:02. | :56:08. | |
it is true. More babies are born by Caesarean nowadays, which is not the | :56:09. | :56:15. | |
natural way, and it is suggested that they then have any insistence | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
that are not programmed to deal with allergies in the future, they have | :56:20. | :56:21. | |
more allergic bodies because of that. Also, we live in less close | :56:22. | :56:29. | |
contact with farm animals than reduced to. But parents are always | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
getting the baby wipes out to clean fingers, and there is no need. The | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
trouble is, in times past, we were prepared to lose some of our | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
children, let them have illnesses, and we don't tend to do that | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
nowadays. Cleaning their fingers every two seconds... They don't need | :56:48. | :57:00. | |
to. Briefly, do you think GPs... Did you think they know enough about | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
spotting allergic reaction? Some do. Some are allergy trained and really | :57:07. | :57:12. | |
up for this. To get a proper diagnosis, half the story is | :57:13. | :57:14. | |
listening carefully with searching questions, the history is a lot of | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
the diagnosis, and if we have people who need to be referred, they need | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
to be referred to specialist clinics, and we do not have enough. | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
This just in, it is about somebody wearing a clown mask, the police say | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
they have been alerted to reports of a man in a car wearing a clown mask | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
and in possession of what appeared to be a firearm in Hayes, not too | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
far from Heathrow. The Heathrow armed response unit went along and | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
stopped a car in Hillingdon. And imitation firearm was recovered and | :57:52. | :57:53. | |
a man in his 50s arrested on suspicion of assessing and imitation | :57:54. | :57:55. | |
firearm. Joanna's presenting the programme | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
tomorrow, and she'll bring you an interview with Tom Hanks | :57:59. | :58:00. | |
and director Ron Howard. Have a good day, thanks for your | :58:01. | :58:09. | |
company. | :58:10. | :58:15. |