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This morning - with the so-called Calais jungle

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soon to be demolished - Lily Allen has been to the refugee

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camp for this programme to meet some of the unaccompanied children there.

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We've bombed your country. Put you in the hands of the Taliban and now

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putting you at risk, risking your life getting into our country. I

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apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you

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through. We'll bring you that

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full report shortly - and speak to Lily Allen,

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live, after 10am. Also on the programme -

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the US firm Concentrix has been ordered to appear in front

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of MPs tomorrow. It's after this programme revealed

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hundreds of people have had Basically they were accusing me of

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being married to a 74-year-old bloke that used to live here, way before I

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did, saying that it is normal thing for my kind of age and it is my sort

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of behaviour. 74? He was 74. But you're only...

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19. When I speak to the council they said he was deceased and died in

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2016. We'll speak to some of those due

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to give evidence to MPs to tell them And we'll talk to a mother with HIV

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who went undiagnosed for 30 years. Hello and welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11am. Later this morning we'll try

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and find out exactly why Will if you're watching do get

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in touch - and let us know because the speculation

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is because of some kind of fall-out And we'll hear calls for the maximum

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jail sentence for those convicted If you have been stalked,

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tell us if you think an increase in the punishment would have

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made any difference Use the hashtag Victoria Live

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and If you text, you will be charged Our top story today,

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figures seen by the BBC reveal a sharp increase in hospital

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admissions in England due Doctors blame the rise

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in cleanliness over But it's not clear what's happened

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since 2011 to drive up admissions by a third

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to almost 30,000 in a year. That contrasts to average admissions

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during the same period, Ruby is severely

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allergic to peanuts. And, two years ago,

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Ruby asked for a curry It wasn't which caused her

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to have a severe reaction called It was chicken korma and I just had

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a small amount and my lips started Across England the number

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of hospital admissions for allergies and anaphylactic shocks have been

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steadily increasing. Five years ago there were just over

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22,000 such admissions, but the latest figures obtained

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by the BBC show that the number has In total, all hospital admissions

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in England have increased by 8% in the last five years,

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but allergy specific Now, then, Oliver,

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have you been behaving? More children in particular are now

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being seen in hospital for allergies, with some doctors

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calling it an epidemic. Yes, we are seeing a huge number

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of referals now for new patients with children's allergies

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and we think this is due to the world we live in,

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in terms of environmental issues. We live in a much cleaner world

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than we did 100 years ago and we know that children

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are delayed later to common allergens, be it dust,

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be it pollen and also food. Whatever the number,

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doctors aren't expecting the number of allergy admissions to drop

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any time soon. Later this morning we will speak to

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some people who have allergies and they're going to tell us what it is

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like to live with the constant risk of a reaction.

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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Labour is putting pressure on the government to set

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out its Brexit strategy in more detail.

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Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer and Shadow Foreign

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Secretary Emily Thornberry have asked for clarification

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on 170 questions - one a day until the Prime Minister's

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self-imposed deadline to start the EU withdrawal process.

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The party will also stage a debate and vote in Parliament later.

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Our Assistant Political Editor, Norman Smith is in Westminster.

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Good morning Norman. Labour has been accused up to now, hasn't it, of not

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interrogating the Government enough about Brexit, but now from Labour,

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170 questions! Designed, I think, to put the pressure on the Government

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over setting out what their plan for Brexit actually is. So this morning

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we get this 170 questions, one for every day until Mrs May's deadline

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for triggering Article 50 and they cover everything from the

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implications for the economy, for immigration, for jobs, for the

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environment, and questions like on immigration, what sort of curbs is

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the Government thinking of introducing, what will be the impact

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on the NHS? Will there be different curbs in different parts of the

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country, what will be the implications for Britain citizens

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living in the EU? The point behind it is to put the squeeze on the

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Government, coupled with this debate today to set out in more clarity

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what Brexit actually means and to press for a Commons vote before Mrs

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May enters those negotiations and this morning, the Shadow Foreign

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Secretary, Emily Thornbury said the Government could not be allowed to

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get away without setting out what sort of deal it was trying to reach

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over Brexit. We are in a position

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where we have a Government who are about to make major

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decisions on behalf of this country and they want to go in a locked room

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and fight it out amongst themselves and come out with some plan

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that they want to keep secret. Now, we are doing our job

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as the opposition and We published 170 questions

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today that we expect At least to have some idea about,

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at least to have thought about, before they go and trigger

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Article 50. So Norman, tell us more about what

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we can expect from the debate and vote later? Well, this is going to

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be the first set piece debate on Brexit and Labour have put down a

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fairly general motion saying there needs to be proper scrutiny and

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transparency about the deal Mrs May seeks to negotiate. Now, in normal

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times the Government would put a big thick red pen through that motion

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and put their own distinct motion down. They haven't. Instead they've

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accepted the Labour motion and put a little proviso on then of it saying

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well, mustn't do anything that compromises our negotiating

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strategy, what that tells us, I think, there is nervousness on Mrs

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May's side that many Tory MPs do want a vote on any Brexit deal and

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so to get round the possibility of a revolt today, the Government has by

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and large accepted the Labour motion, but with a little tweak on

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the end, but there is no doubt we seem to be heading for the first

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real tension over Brexit and it is over the role of Parliament and

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whether MPs should have a vote. OK, Norman, thank you very much for

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that. Norman Smith. The Prison Governors Association has

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called on the Government to set up an independent,

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public inquiry into the state of prisons

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in England and Wales. The Association, which is holding

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its annual conference, is concerned about what it says

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is the "unprecedented" rise The Government says it plans

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to invest an extra 14 million pounds Children who are at risk

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often get unsatisfactory protection in England,

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the National Audit Office says. A report by the spending watchdog

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found that more than three-quarters of local authority child protection

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services were inadequate The Department for Education says

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it's taking tough action Some people who complain their tax

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credits have been stopped in error - are being told it will be several

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weeks before their claims The SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh says

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some of her constituents haven't had their tax credits for many weeks

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already andthat the tax office is failing to meet its commitment

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to resume payments. Ms Ahmed Sheikh has tabled an urgent

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question in Parliament today and will be speaking to Victoria

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just after 9.30am. A man in the United States has been

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convicted of posting cyanide to a suicidal man in England,

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leading to his death. Sidney Kilmartin, who's 54,

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sent cynanide to 49-year-old Andrew Denton, of Hull, who used it

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to kill himself in December 2012. He'd already posted a substance

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he said was cyanide, but which was actually Epsom salts

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to several suicidal people. Prosecutors said Kilmartin

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wanted to stop Mr Denton People who feel light-headed

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and dizzy when standing up suddenly may have a 40% higher risk

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of Alzheimer's disease, Scientists believe it's because less

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blood reaches the brain during these moments,

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leading to cell damage over time. Charities have welcomed

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the research, but say that other factors such as smoking

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play more of a part. The singer Lily Allen has called

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on the government to do more to help children living in the so-called

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Jungle refugee camp in Calais. French authorities have committed

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to demolishing the camp and re-locating its

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population of 9,000 by On her first visit, Lily Allen

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described the situation as inhumane. I'm shocked, really,

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that this is happening in such close proximity to,

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you know, where we live. It feels like it's just people

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just managing to cope. Something has to be done

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because it can't really... You can see the full film in five

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minutes on the programme. Kim Kardashian is taking legal

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action against a website that's accused her of faking

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the Paris robbery. The reality TV star is suing

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the gossip website MediaTakeOut for alleging that she lied

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about the armed hold up at her hotel room in Paris and then filed

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a fraudulent insurance claim. French police say they believe

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jewellery worth millions That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News. More from me at 9.30am. Sport in a moment, Look at President

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Obama. There's a guy on the radio

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who apparently... He's demob happy, isn't he? That was

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actually him smelling his own hand! We'll bring you that

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film with Lily Allen Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. Let's get some sport

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now with John Watson. John, not a great night

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in the World Cup qualifiers Let's start about England and Joe

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Hart came to the rescue? Joe Hart was the keeper for England last

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night. There was a drab game. A disappointing goalless draw against

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Slovenia. England didn't manage to register a goal. A shot on target in

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the first-half, but Joe Hart was the man of the moment who salvaged

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England a point. That was one of a string of saves he made last night.

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The stand out one was when he managed to tip the top of the bar. A

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goalless draw. Wayne Rooney, Jordan Henderson captaining the side came

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on for the last 20 minutes. He had a shot. Everybody wondered if he was

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going to produce the winning moment, but he didn't. As things stand, not

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a disaster for England, they are still unbeaten in their qualifying,

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they are top, but really interesting to hear what Gareth Southgate said

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afterwards. He said he has inherited a mess. If there was a line perhaps

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to sum-up things for England that might be it. Interim manager he may

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remain interim manager. In terms of Scotland and Northern

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Ireland, defeats though? Yeah. It is Scotland in a bit of a difficult

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patch at the moment let's say. Their manager Gordon Strachan disappointed

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to see them draw. They were hoping to get three points and they didn't.

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They came away with a 3-0 defeat. This is a really disappointing

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result for them. They have only picked up one point in the

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qualifying matches. It leaves them sitting fourth in their qualifying

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group. Remember, they're in the same group as England. They face England

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in their next match. What a contest that's going to be. But a difficult

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time for Scotland at the moment. And Northern Ireland, as well, they were

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in action. They had by far the toughest of all of the matches last

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night. They were in Hannover to face Germany. And they came away with a

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defeat as well. 2-0 it finished last night. Their manager said that this

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is not a complete disaster as you could imagine facing the world

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champions, it was always going to be dismt they have the same number of

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points as Scotland and they, themselves, realised that they are

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chasing the second spot. That's not an automatic qualification spot, but

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second spot would see you go through into a play-off and there is a

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chance if you can finish second of still reaching the World Cup in

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Russia in 2018. Cycling. An interesting story in

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cycling particularly against the backdrop of the damaging headlines

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over the last few weeks? Yes, there is a really significant prize I

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guess you could say on the horizon this afternoon. Yorkshire should be

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awarded as we expect to be given the 2019 road race world cycling

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championships. A fantastic moment for the sport, you imagine, but

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interesting if you believe what you read in the newspapers, that the

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Chief Executive of British cycling Ian Drake won't be attending. Now,

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it was a joint bid that's been put together by British cycling, UK

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Sport, a really significant moment. But as you say, huge allegations

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whirling around relate to go a suspect package that was delivered

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to Team Sky in 2011. No one seems to know what the package was. A lot of

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unanswered questions and after the high of the Olympics, we're in this

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murky business of allegations around British cycling centred on Team Sky

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and British cycling at the moment and Bradley Wiggins as well has been

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embroiled in this. You think it is a great moment, it should be, why then

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is Ian Drake the Chief Executive of British cycling not attending?

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Perhaps he feels he will behaving to face some very difficult questions

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were he to attend the press conference this afternoon.

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Cheers, John. More from John throughout the

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morning. You'll know Lily Allen

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for her hit songs like Smile You may also enjoy her

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outspokenness on Twitter. But you've probably never

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seen her like this. In the Calais camp,

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meeting refugees. It's due for demolition

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soon, and could start But there are concerns

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about what could happen to the hundreds of vulnerable

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and unaccompanied children there. This week, the Home Secretary vowed

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to speed up plans to resettle hundreds of those vulnerable

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children in the UK Charities are calling

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for the Government to do more, saying many of these children

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will simply disappear. Lily Allen has been to meet

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some of those children living in the Jungle,

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many of them wanting Our reporter Catrin Nye went

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with her exclusively Calais' makeshift refugee

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camp, the Jungle. Home to around 10,000

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people, including children. This place has been

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partially demolished once But the French government

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want it gone again. And will start knocking it

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down within weeks. A world away from the squalor

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of the camp, Lily Allen is working on a new album in

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a studio in London. What do you think you can

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achieve by going there? On a personal level,

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I hope to see things for myself so that I know and I can

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talk openly about it, having experienced it,

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even for a very short And humanise the people that

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are there because, All these articles which are very

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dehumanising about people I'm a mother, I've got

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two little girls. And if something happened in this

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country, and if something was to happen to me and their dad,

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and they were displaced and they had to make a run for it,

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I really hope that other parts of the world were a little bit more

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helpful than we seem to be being. It would seem to me that there

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are people that have been driven very far away

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from what they know and love, I don't think anyone would choose

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to live in the Jungle. With Lily on the strip

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is Josie Norton. Josie used to work in the music

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industry before giving it up to start a charity called

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Help Refugees a year ago. Right next to the camp,

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this massive warehouse shows the scale of the charity work that's

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quickly emerged to provide for those An army of volunteers

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looks after constantly My kids said that

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you could have it! Snow White costume, which will come

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in pretty handy, I'm sure! And then it's time

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to enter the Jungle. Lily Allen's never been

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to a refugee camp of any kind, This is a bus for women

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and children in the camp. Volunteers here tell Lily that one

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of the things they're constantly doing is telling young people,

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like this Afghan teenager, to apply for asylum in France,

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rather than constantly risking their lives jumping

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on trucks to the UK. They are risking their lives every

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time they go out to try. And they're going out to the lorry

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parks or to the motorway to try to stow away

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on the back of lorries. Not just deaths, because you hear

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about people being killed, you're not hearing about people

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who are severely injured. So there's a number of children that

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have been severely injured. One of the main reasons that

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Lily is here is to meet for herself people like him,

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children and teenagers calling There are 1,022 unaccompanied

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children in this camp. With the imminent closure

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of the camp, they are at massive risk of trafficking or just

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getting lost in the system. A huge proportion of them have got

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the right to be in the UK because they have family there,

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and another huge proportion of them have the right to be in the UK

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because of the passing And, still, right now,

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there's not one child been brought The Dubs amendment was an agreement

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by the UK Government to take in unaccompanied refugee

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children from Europe. At this youth centre in the camp,

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there's a sense of urgency today. The volunteers of recording details

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of the teenagers here. So they can try and keep track

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of them when they camp's demolished and continue trying to get those

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who have the right to be So, what I want is anybody who has

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family in England that hasn't Lily meets this 13-year-old

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from Afghanistan. He's been in the camp

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for two months now. The camp's closing

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in a couple of weeks. So, you've been trying to jump

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on lorries to get over into the UK. That must be terrifying,

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is it scary? And I know you're trying to get

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onto the lorries every night but, from what I'm hearing

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from the refugees and volunteers here in the camp, you've got a legal

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right to be in the UK. So, I wonder, have you

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started that process? Just seems at three different

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intervals in this young boy's life, the English in particular

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have put you in danger. We have bombed your country,

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put you in the hands of the Taliban, Risking your life to get

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into our country. I apologise on behalf of my country,

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I'm sorry for what we've I am now making you do this

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interview! I'm shocked, really,

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that this is happening in such close proximity to,

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you know, where we live. Life is easier for me if I put this

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stuff out of mind, do you know? And that's not really right,

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correct or appropriate response And I think it must be than not

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knowing, the uncertainty I know I wouldn't like to end

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up here, though. I certainly wouldn't

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want my children to end up here. Catrin Nye reporting, and that film

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was directed by Joshua Baker. And Lily Allen will be here live

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just after 10am to talk The Home Office says more than 80

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unaccompanied children had been And earlier this week,

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the Home Secretary Amber Rudd said the names of the unaccompanied

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children living in the camp who are eligible to be brought

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to Britain would be given The company at the centre

:26:25.:26:27.

of a scandal which saw so many of your tax credits wrongly

:26:28.:26:39.

stopped is being made to give We'll hear from three claimants

:26:40.:26:43.

who'll also be appearing to tell MPs Is a five-year maximum sentence

:26:44.:26:46.

for stalking enough? One group of MPs says it should be

:26:47.:26:54.

doubled to ten years. If you've been the victim

:26:55.:26:57.

of stalking, do tell We'll be hearing from the singer

:26:58.:27:00.

for the Noisettes, who's decided to speak out for the first time

:27:01.:27:07.

about her experience Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:27:08.:27:10.

with a summary of today's news. Figures seen by the BBC have

:27:11.:27:23.

revealed a sharp increase in hospital admissions in England

:27:24.:27:27.

as a result of allergic reactions. In the last five years,

:27:28.:27:30.

cases have climbed to almost 30,000 During the same period,

:27:31.:27:32.

average hospital admissions Labour is putting pressure

:27:33.:27:37.

on the Government to set out its Brexit strategy

:27:38.:27:43.

in more detail. Theresa May said Parliament should

:27:44.:27:52.

not undermine their strategy. Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir

:27:53.:28:00.

Starmer and Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry have asked

:28:01.:28:03.

for clarification on 170 questions, one a day until the Prime Minister's

:28:04.:28:05.

self-imposed deadline to start The party will also stage a debate

:28:06.:28:08.

and vote in Parliament later. The Prison Governors Association has

:28:09.:28:12.

called on the Government to set up an independent public

:28:13.:28:14.

inquiry into the state The association, which is holding

:28:15.:28:16.

its annual conference, is concerned about what it says

:28:17.:28:20.

is the "unprecedented" rise The Government says it plans

:28:21.:28:22.

to invest an extra ?14 million Seven-year-olds are being offered

:28:23.:28:27.

free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive

:28:28.:28:33.

to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic

:28:34.:28:38.

health problems against the virus. The vaccine is already offered

:28:39.:28:44.

to all primary-school pupils Will Young has announced he's

:28:45.:28:46.

quitting Strictly Come Dancing. In a statement he told fans he'd

:28:47.:28:51.

pulled out for personal reasons, but said he left with "joy

:28:52.:28:53.

in my heart that I have been able to take part in one of the most

:28:54.:28:57.

loved shows on British television". His performance on last week's

:28:58.:29:01.

programme drew criticism from head judge Len Goodman who said

:29:02.:29:03.

there was "not enough salsa" That's a summary of

:29:04.:29:07.

the latest BBC News. Here's some sport now

:29:08.:29:16.

with John Watson. England interim manager

:29:17.:29:20.

Gareth Southgate says he inherited a mess when taking over

:29:21.:29:23.

from Sam Allardyce two weeks ago. Things didn't look too great

:29:24.:29:26.

on the pitch either in last night's 0-0 draw in Slovenia,

:29:27.:29:28.

where they were indebted to goalkeeper Joe Hart for a string

:29:29.:29:30.

of brilliant saves to earn a point England are now three

:29:31.:29:34.

points clear of Scotland, who slumped to a 3-0

:29:35.:29:41.

defeat in Slovakia. Manager Gordon Strachan said

:29:42.:29:43.

he "felt sorry" for his players. There was some encouragement

:29:44.:29:46.

for Northern Ireland, though, who were 2-0 down to Germany

:29:47.:29:49.

after 16 minutes but held Michael O'Neill's side now third

:29:50.:29:52.

in their group. And British number two

:29:53.:29:56.

Kyle Edmund lost to US Open champion Stan Wawrinka 6-3,

:29:57.:29:59.

6-4 in the second round of the Shanghai

:30:00.:30:01.

masters this morning. Andy Murray plays American

:30:02.:30:03.

Steve Johnson later. The company at the centre

:30:04.:30:11.

of a scandal which saw so many of your tax credits wrongly

:30:12.:30:19.

stopped is due to give evidence to an influential

:30:20.:30:22.

committee of MPs tomorrow. The American firm Concentrix

:30:23.:30:24.

was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill

:30:25.:30:26.

by finding and stopping But last month this programme

:30:27.:30:28.

exclusively revealed that many people were having their money

:30:29.:30:33.

stopped by mistake, leading to some serious hardship for

:30:34.:30:36.

those caught up in it. This programme has exclusively

:30:37.:30:48.

learned that a 19-year-old mum had her child tax credit stopped

:30:49.:30:53.

by a private firm used by HMRC after they said she was married

:30:54.:30:56.

to a dead 74-year-old man She's one of hundreds of people

:30:57.:30:59.

complaining they've been incorrectly punished by the American firm

:31:00.:31:05.

Concentrix, which is employed by HMRC to cut tax credit

:31:06.:31:07.

fraud and overpayment. I've lost ?64 each week,

:31:08.:31:15.

and that normally, obviously goes on my son, on nappies,

:31:16.:31:17.

buy his food, gas and electric, They absolutely unfairly stop

:31:18.:31:20.

people's benefits on a really And there are many more

:31:21.:31:29.

where those came from. As you'd expect, we asked

:31:30.:31:37.

the private American firm, Concentrix, for

:31:38.:31:39.

an interview. Instead, they told us: "We recognise

:31:40.:31:40.

that individual tax credit claims We adopt a rigorous process at every

:31:41.:31:44.

stage to ensure we manage this responsibly in full accordance

:31:45.:31:49.

with guidance set by HMRC." I've done nothing wrong,

:31:50.:31:51.

and they know that. My tax credit was cut

:31:52.:31:56.

at the beginning of August. And I had a phone call with them

:31:57.:32:01.

and it took me three to five hours a day for a week to actually get

:32:02.:32:18.

hold of them. I lost my child tax credits

:32:19.:32:21.

and Working Tax Credits, which is the bulk of

:32:22.:32:23.

what I get each month. How much are you down by as a result

:32:24.:32:25.

of what you say are their mistakes? I've had no money for two weeks now

:32:26.:32:29.

and I've had to go to a food bank. Because of this, my housing benefit

:32:30.:32:36.

could be stopped as well, which means that my tenancy

:32:37.:32:40.

could be affected. Hours after we exclusively revealed

:32:41.:32:42.

on this programme yesterday that a US firm was accused,

:32:43.:32:44.

by hundreds of years, from police stopping your tax credits,

:32:45.:32:51.

Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs announced they would not be

:32:52.:32:53.

renewing its contract HMRC has acted pretty

:32:54.:32:55.

decisively in this. And, clearly, anyone who is dealing

:32:56.:32:59.

with people who are claiming Needs to be sensitive to their needs

:33:00.:33:04.

as well as, obviously, Why does it take the BBC's

:33:05.:33:19.

programme, two days running, to bring ministers

:33:20.:33:22.

to this despatch box? One day a member of my staff

:33:23.:33:24.

is getting the runaround Yesterday, in Parliament,

:33:25.:33:27.

the issue prompted an urgent Let's talk to our reporter,

:33:28.:33:30.

Peter Whittlesey. Well, the latest from HMRC is today

:33:31.:33:32.

they are getting executives from Concentrix in, and they'll be

:33:33.:33:37.

talking to them about the issues that they need to address

:33:38.:33:40.

because they are not Many MPs have talked

:33:41.:33:42.

about the problems that They've also said that this

:33:43.:33:48.

programme had highlighted what a big issue it was and how the mistakes

:33:49.:33:51.

were affecting hundreds of people. Sources close to this have told me

:33:52.:33:55.

that just before we did our report, our exclusive report,

:33:56.:33:58.

HMRC and Concentrix were close Concentrix was only told an hour

:33:59.:34:00.

before HMRC told the press that their contract wasn't being renewed,

:34:01.:34:09.

and that's why some staff in Belfast heard that, potentially,

:34:10.:34:12.

their jobs could be at risk through tweets from the BBC,

:34:13.:34:14.

rather than from People crying down the phone,

:34:15.:34:16.

saying that they are Have no food in the fridge

:34:17.:34:29.

to feed their kids. We were dealing with people

:34:30.:34:36.

claiming that they were We'll talk to some of those giving

:34:37.:34:38.

evidence to that committee of MPs in a moment, but first our reporter

:34:39.:34:55.

Peter Whittlesea has followed this story from the beginning

:34:56.:34:57.

and joins me now. We've not heard from any

:34:58.:34:59.

of the senior staff from Concentrix, Well, they have refused for a month,

:35:00.:35:10.

we have been asking them. They can't refuse MPs and the influential work

:35:11.:35:14.

and pensions Select Committee has said they want to speak to

:35:15.:35:18.

Concentrix and they also want to speak to HMRC that's because Craig

:35:19.:35:21.

McKinlay, Conservative MP, came on this show. He promised he would do

:35:22.:35:25.

something and try and get to the bottom of what happened. He wrote to

:35:26.:35:29.

the chair of that committee and this has happened. These people have been

:35:30.:35:32.

called in front of the committee. Now this committee is the committee

:35:33.:35:37.

that gave Sir Philip Green a grilling over the collapse of BHS.

:35:38.:35:44.

Now sources close to the committee think they will do the same, they

:35:45.:35:49.

will give the Philip Green to the Concentrix boss Philip Cassidy when

:35:50.:35:52.

he appears before them tomorrow. They want to know what was happening

:35:53.:35:55.

at that call centre. You heard people said they were in desperately

:35:56.:36:00.

pressurised situation and they were having to take suicide callers on

:36:01.:36:03.

the phone and they hadn't had the training for that and the committee

:36:04.:36:06.

sources close to the committee said they want to know whether that's

:36:07.:36:09.

true and what training staff actually had. When HMRC announced

:36:10.:36:16.

that they would not be renewing Concentrix's contract, it was said

:36:17.:36:21.

they told us, efforts are being made to fast-track those people who have

:36:22.:36:25.

wrongly had their tax credits stopped so they will be reimbursed

:36:26.:36:33.

ASAP, has that happened? HMRC took those, over thousands of them and

:36:34.:36:37.

they said they would process them as quickly as possible. They had the

:36:38.:36:40.

idea of once the paperwork was handed in and it was scanned it

:36:41.:36:44.

would take four days. Now the problem is, taking that paperwork,

:36:45.:36:48.

scanning t getting it on the computer system, has taken longer

:36:49.:36:52.

than people expected. Also there have been problems because people

:36:53.:36:55.

sent their original paperwork to Concentrix and then they didn't have

:36:56.:36:59.

the right paperwork to send to HMRC, so they had to get duplicates which

:37:00.:37:05.

led to more delays. So when people thought they could get their

:37:06.:37:08.

benefits reinstated within four days, it has taken weeks and there

:37:09.:37:12.

are many people out there on the Concentrix website that thought they

:37:13.:37:15.

were That they would get it four days, but weeks on, they haven't had

:37:16.:37:20.

their benefits backdated or paid. That's no good. Is anyone else

:37:21.:37:28.

looking into what went wrong with Concentrix and HMRC? Normally HMRC

:37:29.:37:33.

appears before the Public Accounts Committe. They look into seeing

:37:34.:37:37.

whether Government contracts are value for money. Two members of that

:37:38.:37:41.

committee told me that the Chief Executive of the HMRC will appear

:37:42.:37:45.

before them on 26th October and they will ask questions of the Chief

:37:46.:37:49.

Executive of HMRC, what went wrong, was this contract value for money?

:37:50.:37:54.

And will give them another grilling on the 26th October.

:37:55.:37:58.

Of course, we should say, of course, as we always do, we asked to speak

:37:59.:38:03.

to HMRC and Concentrix and we have been asking them for weeks and weeks

:38:04.:38:06.

and they keep saying no which is fine, there is no law to say they

:38:07.:38:10.

have to come on this programme. It might be good for them to talk to

:38:11.:38:17.

the people that they've placed in such hardship.

:38:18.:38:21.

Let's talk to three of the people who wrongly had their tax credits

:38:22.:38:24.

They are all also giving evidence in front of the Work

:38:25.:38:28.

Also with me is the SNP MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh

:38:29.:38:34.

who is going to table an emergency question in Parliamnet today

:38:35.:38:36.

about delays some people are facing in getting their payments back.

:38:37.:38:41.

Hello all of you. Thank you very much for talking to us. Marie, let's

:38:42.:38:48.

start with you. Your tax credits were stopped because Concentrix

:38:49.:38:53.

thought you weren't a single mum. They have been reinstated, how much

:38:54.:38:58.

are they paying you back a week? They are paying not enough. A

:38:59.:39:03.

reduced amount of money compared to what my previous claim was.

:39:04.:39:07.

But have you got that in a lump sum? Is it... No. They are refuse, to go

:39:08.:39:13.

give me my lump sum for the six weeks I was without payment. At the

:39:14.:39:17.

moment I'm unable to pay back people I borrowed money from. So yeah, it

:39:18.:39:21.

is not a good situation. What will you be saying to the committee of

:39:22.:39:25.

MPs tomorrow? I will be wanting somebody to be accountable for a

:39:26.:39:30.

disastrous contract. Whoever thought giving a contract that dealt with

:39:31.:39:36.

people's lives with such, you know, benefits, you know, financially is

:39:37.:39:40.

beyond me and I really want them to tell me why they gave, you know,

:39:41.:39:44.

such perverse incentives to a private company. That's the

:39:45.:39:47.

performance related element of the contract. Sarah, yours were stopped

:39:48.:39:52.

too. How long have you spent on the phone trying to get them reinstated?

:39:53.:39:57.

I went through my mobile phone bill and I figured out that I have been

:39:58.:40:02.

on the phone to HMRC and Concentrix over this past four weeks I have

:40:03.:40:07.

been on the phone 19 hours and 57 minutes and that's just my mobile.

:40:08.:40:11.

I've used other people's house phones such as my parents as well. I

:40:12.:40:15.

don't know the full figure, but all I know, it has consumed my life and

:40:16.:40:19.

affected my children and it just been an awful situation. Have you

:40:20.:40:24.

succeeded in getting them reinstated? I haven't, no. They have

:40:25.:40:29.

agreed to pay me a lump sum and I haven't had any letters back to say

:40:30.:40:33.

that my case has been overturned. It was just a phone call that I made.

:40:34.:40:38.

I've literally called them every day to try and get an update because my

:40:39.:40:41.

information has been lost three times. So I've had to send in again.

:40:42.:40:46.

So I was really concerned as to where the paperwork went. And also

:40:47.:40:52.

contacted my MP who is helping me. So I've got a payment coming in

:40:53.:40:57.

today funny enough, but you know, it is not for the full amount that they

:40:58.:41:01.

owe me. But it is a start and at least, you know, I've got some sort

:41:02.:41:06.

of a decision and hopefully receive the letter explaining what it is.

:41:07.:41:10.

Paul, a Vice-President from Concentrix, it sounds very grand,

:41:11.:41:13.

doesn't it, will be appearing in front of the committee tomorrow.

:41:14.:41:16.

What would you like to ask that Vice-President? There is one thing

:41:17.:41:20.

I'd like to ask is more about the paperwork that's gone missing. My

:41:21.:41:23.

paperwork went missing in May and they said they never received it and

:41:24.:41:27.

I never got any warning when my payments were stopped at the

:41:28.:41:30.

beginning of August. Now, we have got evidence that we will be raising

:41:31.:41:34.

at Parliament tomorrow that will show they're sending other people's

:41:35.:41:37.

documents back when they return people's documents. So they're

:41:38.:41:41.

sending the wrong documents... They're sending the wrong documents

:41:42.:41:44.

back to the wrong people and we have got evidence that we will raise at

:41:45.:41:47.

Parliament tomorrow for this. I would like to ask him how because if

:41:48.:41:51.

that happened to my paperwork, I'd like to know where mine has gone as

:41:52.:41:57.

well? There could be serious data protection issues. Very serious data

:41:58.:42:02.

protection issues. Were you aware of this? I didn't know about documents

:42:03.:42:06.

going to other places. You will be aware on 14th September the

:42:07.:42:09.

financial second to the Treasury said at the dispatch box there would

:42:10.:42:13.

be a four day turn around for money to be in people's banks once the

:42:14.:42:18.

paperwork was received. We contacted HMRC on 29th September in relation

:42:19.:42:23.

to a constituent and we were told it was a two to three week period they

:42:24.:42:29.

would be looked at. In the meantime, we have people who have wrongly had

:42:30.:42:34.

their tax credit claims stopped, mother who, one of my constituents

:42:35.:42:41.

whose childcare arrangements, can't afford to play her childminder.

:42:42.:42:44.

Therefore can't go to work and had to resign from employment, can't get

:42:45.:42:49.

any other benefits because of that and now she has nothing. One of my

:42:50.:42:53.

other constituents signed themselves out of hospital with a suspected

:42:54.:42:56.

heart attack because she had to deal with this. Another constituent can't

:42:57.:43:02.

send her child to school because she can't afford the lunch money. These

:43:03.:43:05.

are victims of other people's mistakes and mess and they're

:43:06.:43:09.

suffering. They are contacting our offices and they are at their wit's

:43:10.:43:13.

end. It can't get any worse for them. It has been a payment offer of

:43:14.:43:20.

?100 from HMRC, there is no clarity around that payment. It is an

:43:21.:43:24.

interim payment. Some of my constituents are not take because it

:43:25.:43:29.

is templed as a loan. I'm hoping the committee will be asking questions

:43:30.:43:35.

tomorrow of Concentrix as to what has gone so terribly wrong? How can

:43:36.:43:40.

we make sure this never happens again. And what support and training

:43:41.:43:45.

has been given to the people at the other end of the phone calls of

:43:46.:43:48.

people who are in desperate circumstances? HMRC told us we have

:43:49.:43:56.

dealt with the majority of the cases. We will continue to do this

:43:57.:44:00.

with the remainder of the case as quickly as possible whilst providing

:44:01.:44:05.

the best possible customer service? Quickly as possible means nothing to

:44:06.:44:11.

someone who wants to know how they're going to feed their children

:44:12.:44:16.

today. I want to why the four day turn around is not happening. When

:44:17.:44:19.

it will happen? People are desperate. I mean, Paul, you know,

:44:20.:44:27.

the Concentrix mums Facebook page, there are dozens and dozens if not

:44:28.:44:32.

hundreds and hundreds of stories of people in still in severe financial

:44:33.:44:37.

hardship? There is a lot of people, we are getting 50 to 60 people a day

:44:38.:44:43.

joining the website. At last count when I checked it there was 11474

:44:44.:44:47.

people active or still members of that page and there is people still

:44:48.:44:53.

asking questions. The HMRC app updates, they are saying what it

:44:54.:44:57.

does it mean, it says null against my payments. There is no backdated

:44:58.:45:01.

payments, there is nothing listed for what's going on. Thousands of

:45:02.:45:05.

people have questions and they need to know when they're getting any

:45:06.:45:08.

money and it is just a shocking situation.

:45:09.:45:13.

I am lucky, I have my parents, who support me with everything I did. If

:45:14.:45:20.

I did not have them, I don't know what I would have done. I am six

:45:21.:45:26.

weeks without payments, I am a disabled single mother, I used to

:45:27.:45:30.

have a great job, and I would love to go back to work, but my health

:45:31.:45:34.

does not allow it. I have had to cancel support at home because I

:45:35.:45:40.

have had to use my personal independence payment money to get

:45:41.:45:44.

food shopping for three weeks where I did not have any money at all. I

:45:45.:45:51.

had to borrow money from my parents. It has been an awful situation. The

:45:52.:45:57.

worst thing about this is it is not only as parents that are suffering,

:45:58.:46:02.

it is our children, because my children, the difference in

:46:03.:46:05.

behaviour with my four-year-old boy, because money is on the phone all

:46:06.:46:10.

the time, money is in tears, mummy is so up and down, it is affecting

:46:11.:46:15.

the children. That is what is most soul destroying for me.

:46:16.:46:26.

We will continue to follow the story. Keep giving us your feedback,

:46:27.:46:33.

when the money starts to come back to do, because you were instrumental

:46:34.:46:37.

in helping us get the information out in the first place, so thank

:46:38.:46:38.

you. Coming up, Lily Allen has been

:46:39.:46:40.

meeting refugees in the jungle in Calais in an exclusive report

:46:41.:46:42.

for this programme. She will be with us

:46:43.:46:44.

in the studio just after 10am. The British world heavyweight

:46:45.:46:58.

champion Tyson Fury faces being stripped of his licence to box at a

:46:59.:47:02.

meeting of the British boxing board of control today. The case will be

:47:03.:47:07.

examined by the board after a reported failed drugs test and his

:47:08.:47:10.

admission in a magazine interview that he has taken lots of cocaine.

:47:11.:47:16.

His supporters say he deserves compassion. It is a sad tale. They

:47:17.:47:20.

say cocaine was that a rental to his career, not performance enhancing.

:47:21.:47:27.

And a cry for help. If the board do decide to strip him of his licence,

:47:28.:47:33.

he is almost certain to be forced to link wish the WBO and WBA titles he

:47:34.:47:38.

won from Wladimir Klitschko a year ago. His team say he needs support,

:47:39.:47:44.

not sanctions. This is him defending his outspoken persona after he

:47:45.:47:48.

shocked the boxing world in November last year by beating Wladimir

:47:49.:47:53.

Klitschko to secure the belts. You rarely get somebody who talks a

:47:54.:47:58.

lot and backs it up. People thought I was just hot air. They thought I

:47:59.:48:02.

was just lucky in 24 fights before that. How lucky can you get?

:48:03.:48:10.

Here to talk about the board meeting is a professional boxer who

:48:11.:48:15.

currently has the WBO middleweight title, and a good friend of Tyson

:48:16.:48:21.

Fury's. When did you last speak to him? Yesterday. He is in a very dark

:48:22.:48:33.

place at the moment. But there are signs that he has got the help that

:48:34.:48:39.

he's getting from his uncle and dad, so they are good signs now. From the

:48:40.:48:47.

last week. You don't have to tell me, but when you say a dog place,

:48:48.:48:54.

what do you mean? Suicidal. We see it in all of sports stars, he is a

:48:55.:48:58.

27-year-old man come back, he has put his name up there with the likes

:48:59.:49:04.

of Floyd Mayweather. He is having suicidal thoughts? Yes. People need

:49:05.:49:12.

to give him a bit of breathing space. Boxing can only save his

:49:13.:49:19.

life. He has disciplined himself with his diet, with his life around

:49:20.:49:24.

boxing, and if that gets taken away from him, I think he will not see

:49:25.:49:31.

30. You are clearly saying, do not ship him of this license? I am

:49:32.:49:39.

saying, step back, take a look at everything, I am sure he will free

:49:40.:49:42.

the belts up so other people can fight until he is fit, but I think

:49:43.:49:49.

it is a big mistake, taking his boxing licence away, because it is

:49:50.:49:52.

like taking food away from a baby, they can't grow or my jaw. He needs

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the licence to pull through. He is in a considerably bad place. Two

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weeks ago I genuinely feared I would get a phone call to say he has ended

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his life. Don't say that. If you take the licence away from him,...

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This last week or so, he is starting to get a grip again. He has good

:50:19.:50:23.

people around him, getting the right help, but if his licence gets taken

:50:24.:50:26.

away, I don't know which way he will go. Even if he retains the licence,

:50:27.:50:34.

he will not box for a while. This has not just happened overnight, it

:50:35.:50:40.

has been going on for the last year. He got a superstar's welcome, then

:50:41.:50:46.

he got racial abuse. His kids are getting it, his wife is getting it,

:50:47.:50:52.

his parents. He is looking at it as if it is his fault. He has gone to a

:50:53.:50:58.

dark place and turn to whatever he has turned to, I don't condone that,

:50:59.:51:05.

but he is mentally unstable. I am happy when I spoke to him yesterday

:51:06.:51:10.

that he sounds a bit more up in himself, but he still has a long way

:51:11.:51:15.

to go. Do you believe there is a link with his mental health problems

:51:16.:51:20.

and him taking cocaine? I have no him all of my life, I knew his

:51:21.:51:25.

family all of my life, never in a million years would you ever dream

:51:26.:51:29.

for him to do that. I thought somebody was having a laugh. Talking

:51:30.:51:36.

to him, he is in a dark place. It was not nice to see, because

:51:37.:51:41.

normally he is like a firework, he is a light, he brings so much

:51:42.:51:46.

charisma to boxing, good and bad, he says some things he should not say,

:51:47.:51:53.

but we are only human. It is not like any of his family, we have been

:51:54.:51:58.

brought up not to do anything like this, in our culture it is a big no.

:51:59.:52:03.

He has been in an incredibly low place. There are some people who say

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if you take cocaine, not only are you breaking the law, it is

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potentially performance enhancing. No, that cannot improve your

:52:16.:52:24.

fighting. I read a lot about it, it takes fluid away from the brain, so

:52:25.:52:29.

you can't absorb a shot that you would normally absorb. It is most

:52:30.:52:40.

certainly not a performance drug. It is something he has turned to

:52:41.:52:43.

because he is trapped in a corner where he has nothing else, he is

:52:44.:52:47.

mentally down, he distances himself from everybody. Why did he tell a

:52:48.:52:56.

magazine interview? I spoke to him not long ago, when he was on the

:52:57.:53:00.

phone am I thought, this is a different man. If this is what it

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does to you... I am world middleweight champion, I get

:53:07.:53:14.

Internet trolls, from our contract -- culture we get called names, but

:53:15.:53:18.

people look at him and think, he is a big heavyweight, he is a hard man.

:53:19.:53:24.

He can look after himself, yes. But deep down, he is really soft, if we

:53:25.:53:32.

see a homeless person, he is more likely to cry about that, he is

:53:33.:53:37.

really soft hearted. For people to say it helps his performance, he did

:53:38.:53:41.

not win those titles on cocaine. He has made a mistake, he has admitted

:53:42.:53:45.

it and put his hands up, he has not denied it, and the board need to

:53:46.:53:52.

look at that. If he frees up the belts to let other people fight for

:53:53.:53:56.

them, so he is not holding anybody back, but I don't think his licence

:53:57.:54:06.

should be taken away from him. Has he told you he would free up the

:54:07.:54:11.

belts? He is the heavyweight champion of the world, nobody will

:54:12.:54:17.

be the champion of the world unless they beat him, but he is in a dark

:54:18.:54:21.

place, he will not be fighting for it a few months, so I imagine he

:54:22.:54:27.

will. Is his boxing career over? I don't excite. I know how mentally

:54:28.:54:33.

strong he can be. But he is at an all-time low. With the right people

:54:34.:54:42.

around him, within six months, with the right help, we could see him

:54:43.:54:48.

back in the ring. In six months? Yes, but if they suspended him for a

:54:49.:54:52.

year, take his licence away for a year, two years, whatever, I don't

:54:53.:54:59.

think... I know that we will have a phone call one day, saying his life

:55:00.:55:04.

has ended or something like that, occurs this is his life. Even though

:55:05.:55:10.

he has said that boxing has... Deep down, this is what has got him his

:55:11.:55:16.

success. When people say he has done this because he wanted a good time,

:55:17.:55:21.

you are not going to walk away from 6 million quid to 10 million quid

:55:22.:55:27.

for something stupid, for one night. It is bad depression. I know he is

:55:28.:55:32.

getting the right help, and I am happy he is, we just need other

:55:33.:55:38.

people to support him. Including the board. Might advice to the board, if

:55:39.:55:46.

he frees up the belts, he frees up the belts, but don't take his

:55:47.:55:49.

livelihood away from him, he has been brought up since being a young

:55:50.:55:54.

kid doing this, since the age of eight. If you take it away from him,

:55:55.:55:58.

he will not look for a daily job in Tesco's. It will sink him more into

:55:59.:56:02.

the soil. We will bring to the News and sport

:56:03.:56:12.

in a moment, and the latest weather. Looking further ahead, don't forget

:56:13.:56:22.

to join us on 17th October, when we will be live at the Olympic

:56:23.:56:25.

homecoming parade in Manchester. We will have a special programme,

:56:26.:56:34.

the latest total is something like... Loads and loads of Olympians

:56:35.:56:39.

and Paralympians anyway comment on our programme, it is an audience

:56:40.:56:44.

with Olympians and Paralympians. Loads of people in the audience who

:56:45.:56:49.

are Olympics and paramedics fans, Games Makers from London. That is on

:56:50.:56:51.

Monday from 9am. It is deja vu at the moment, it is

:56:52.:57:04.

the same each day this week. The cold easterly breeze across eastern

:57:05.:57:08.

parts of the UK. You have had showers already today. West is best

:57:09.:57:15.

for the driest and sunniest weather. What have we seen today? Early

:57:16.:57:20.

sunshine on the dog walk in fish bone, looked pretty nice. Some angry

:57:21.:57:28.

clouds off the coast of Norfolk. The seagull would have been struggling

:57:29.:57:31.

in the wind. It is a feature of the weather. The radar picture shows

:57:32.:57:36.

where we have had the showers. Most frequent down the east of the UK.

:57:37.:57:43.

They will tend to fade. Here is the picture at midday today. A lot of

:57:44.:57:47.

clout running into eastern Scotland, you will be hard-pressed to see much

:57:48.:57:52.

sunshine. A cube writer breaks at times across parts of eastern

:57:53.:57:56.

England, especially East Anglia and the south-east of England. You can

:57:57.:58:00.

see where the sunniest of the weather is, but catch a shower here

:58:01.:58:08.

across eastern England, it could be on the heavy side. As they have

:58:09.:58:12.

already been so far today. Does anything change for the rest of the

:58:13.:58:17.

afternoon? Not really. On the coast, temperatures will be held down. This

:58:18.:58:22.

is where you see most of the cloud, the most frequent showers moving in.

:58:23.:58:28.

For South Wales and south-west England, sunshine. A bit further

:58:29.:58:35.

away from the breeze. Not feeling too bad. But the breeze is a feature

:58:36.:58:39.

through the night, still with a few showers in eastern parts, but there

:58:40.:58:44.

will be clearer skies away from the showers, allowing temperatures to

:58:45.:58:47.

fall lower tonight. You will notice a chill first thing tomorrow

:58:48.:58:49.

morning. On Thursday, still the easterly

:58:50.:59:02.

breeze, a bit stronger, it will feel caller. Some of the showers will be

:59:03.:59:09.

heavier tomorrow. The greatest chances of getting the showers

:59:10.:59:12.

further north. South Wales and southern England avoid most of the

:59:13.:59:17.

showers. The temperatures slightly down tomorrow compared to today. On

:59:18.:59:21.

Friday, some longer spells of rain, Thursday night into Friday, in

:59:22.:59:29.

eastern Scotland. The tendency is for things begin to turn west

:59:30.:59:33.

towards the end of the week. That is some think we will carry through

:59:34.:59:36.

into the weekend, because we have low-pressure close by. We will

:59:37.:59:42.

change the wind to a southerly, the temperatures may come up a few

:59:43.:59:46.

degrees, but there will be bands of what weather moving through this

:59:47.:59:48.

weekend, but drier, sunnier moments as well.

:59:49.:59:51.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:59:52.:59:56.

Lily Allen visits the jungle in Calais to meet some

:59:57.:59:58.

of the hundreds of children who've fled there alone hoping to start

:59:59.:00:01.

Bombed your country, put you in the hands of the Taliban and now putting

:00:02.:00:17.

you at risk, rising your life to get into our country. That seems - I

:00:18.:00:22.

apologise on behalf of my country. I'm sorry for what we've put you

:00:23.:00:25.

through. I can't...

:00:26.:00:34.

She'll be live in the studio in a few moments time.

:00:35.:00:40.

We'll talk to a mother who found out she had HIV two years ago -

:00:41.:00:44.

something doctors had failed to diagnose for 30 years.

:00:45.:00:46.

Is a five year maximum sentence for stalking enough?

:00:47.:00:48.

One group of MPs says it should be doubled to ten years.

:00:49.:00:56.

If you've been the victim of stalking,

:00:57.:00:58.

We'll be hearing from the singer for the Noisettes who's decided

:00:59.:01:03.

to speak out for the first time about her experience

:01:04.:01:05.

Here is Annita the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:01:06.:01:17.

Figures seen by the BBC have revealed a sharp increase

:01:18.:01:20.

in hospital admissions in England as a result of allergic reactions.

:01:21.:01:23.

In the last five years, cases have climbed to almost 30,000 annually -

:01:24.:01:26.

In contrast, average hospital admissions went up by just 8%.

:01:27.:01:33.

Doctors blame increased cleanliness but it's not clear what has happened

:01:34.:01:36.

since 2011 to trigger such a marked increase.

:01:37.:01:44.

There will not be a vote in Parliament on triggering Article 50

:01:45.:01:51.

for Brexit. The Prime Minister's spokesman has said. The comments

:01:52.:01:55.

come as Labour prepares to put extra pressure in the Commons for more

:01:56.:01:58.

detail on the Government's Brexit trat gee. Shadow Brexit second, sir

:01:59.:02:04.

Keir Starmer and Emily Thornbury asked for clarification on 170

:02:05.:02:08.

questions. The party will also stage a debate and vote in Parliament

:02:09.:02:09.

later. The Prison Governors Association has

:02:10.:02:15.

called on the Government to set up an independent,

:02:16.:02:17.

public inquiry into the state of The Association, which is holding

:02:18.:02:20.

its annual conference, is concerned about what it says

:02:21.:02:24.

is the "unprecedented" rise The government says it plans

:02:25.:02:26.

to invest an extra ?14 million Lily Allen has called

:02:27.:02:31.

on the Government to do more to help children living in the so-called

:02:32.:02:39.

Jungle migrant camp in Calais. The French authorities have

:02:40.:02:41.

committed to demolishing the camp, and re-locating its population

:02:42.:02:44.

of nine thousand migrants and On her first visit, Lily Allen

:02:45.:02:46.

described the situation as inhumane. I'm shocked, really,

:02:47.:02:53.

that this is happening in such close proximity to,

:02:54.:02:58.

you know, where we live. It feels like it's just people

:02:59.:03:03.

just managing to cope. Something has to be done

:03:04.:03:06.

because it can't really... And we will be hearing from Lily

:03:07.:03:08.

Allen in a few minutes. Seven-year-olds are being offered

:03:09.:03:22.

free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive

:03:23.:03:24.

to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic

:03:25.:03:28.

health problems against the virus. The vaccine is already offered

:03:29.:03:31.

to all primary school pupils A man in the United States has been

:03:32.:03:33.

convicted of posting cyanide to a suicidal man in England,

:03:34.:03:37.

leading to his death. Sidney Kilmartin, who is 54,

:03:38.:03:40.

sent cyanide to 49-year-old Andrew Denton, of Hull,

:03:41.:03:43.

who used it to kill He'd already posted a substance

:03:44.:03:45.

he said was cyanide, but which was actually Epsom salts

:03:46.:03:51.

to several suicidal people. Prosecutors said Kilmartin

:03:52.:03:53.

wanted to stop Mr Denton Do get in touch with us

:03:54.:03:55.

throughout the morning. Use the hashtag Victoria Live

:03:56.:04:12.

and If you text, you will be charged Here's some sport now

:04:13.:04:16.

with John Watson. Bill owe Joe Saunders on his friend

:04:17.:04:36.

Tyson Fury. Fury is set to be stripped from his world titles. He

:04:37.:04:40.

has admitted to taking cocaine. This is what Saunders said this morning.

:04:41.:04:46.

I reckon it is a big, big mistake taking boxing licence away from him.

:04:47.:04:51.

It is like taking food away from a baby, they can't grow, they can't

:04:52.:04:54.

mature. He needs his boxing licence to pull what he's going through now.

:04:55.:05:01.

He is in a bad, blasd. Two weeks a I generally feared I was going to get

:05:02.:05:05.

a phone call to say, you know, he has ended his life. Really strong

:05:06.:05:09.

comments there from Saunders. England Interim manager

:05:10.:05:11.

Gareth Southgate didn't hold back when describing the current state

:05:12.:05:13.

of the national team. He said he's inherited a mess

:05:14.:05:17.

after watching his side draw with Slovenia in World Cup

:05:18.:05:20.

Qualifying last night. England's hero was their goalkeeper

:05:21.:05:22.

Joe Hart - who made a string of great saves to ensure

:05:23.:05:25.

the game finished goalless. England failed to register a shot

:05:26.:05:27.

on target in the first half. Wayne Rooney came on for the final

:05:28.:05:30.

twenty minutes after being Southgate gave a fairly honest

:05:31.:05:32.

asessment of where his team's at It has been an incredibly difficult

:05:33.:05:52.

ten days in terms of not just the situation of taking over, but the

:05:53.:05:56.

withdrawals through injury and to get four points, we would have liked

:05:57.:06:00.

six, we would have liked to have scored more goals and we would have

:06:01.:06:03.

liked to have been more fluid with the ball, but we sit top of the

:06:04.:06:07.

qualifying group and that has to be the objective when we get through

:06:08.:06:09.

the game against Scotland as well. Scotland manager Gordon Strachan was

:06:10.:06:12.

honest in his assessment as well. Saying he felt sorry for his players

:06:13.:06:17.

and the fans as they were beaten They're in the same group

:06:18.:06:23.

as England, and play them next, A more encouraging evening

:06:24.:06:27.

for Northern Ireland despite their 2-0 defeat by world

:06:28.:06:47.

champions Germany in Hanover. Michael O'Neill's side were 2-0 down

:06:48.:06:53.

after just 16 minutes with goals but then managed to hold

:06:54.:06:56.

on for the rest of the game Northern Ireland are third

:06:57.:07:01.

in their group So no goals between the three

:07:02.:07:03.

Home Nations last night - but one nation who did score are San

:07:04.:07:06.

marino who are definitely A nation with a population of just

:07:07.:07:09.

33,000, playing Norway in Oslo, scored their first away

:07:10.:07:13.

qualifying goal for 15 years. And here's the reaction

:07:14.:07:15.

on Norway TV. To say they were unimpressed

:07:16.:07:22.

is something of understatement. Incredibly with 13 minutes left

:07:23.:07:38.

San Marino were still holding Norway to a 1-1 draw,

:07:39.:07:44.

but three late goals Why did they turn the lights off?

:07:45.:07:57.

The thought of watching that goal again was too much to bear. I was

:07:58.:08:00.

being particularly stupid. Thank you very much, John.

:08:01.:08:05.

The so-called Calais Jungle could be demolished as early as next week

:08:06.:08:08.

and its 9,000 occupants will certainly be relocated,

:08:09.:08:10.

the French government has promised, by the end of the year.

:08:11.:08:14.

There are hundreds of unaccompanied and vulnerable children there,

:08:15.:08:17.

and charities warn that many will simply go missing when it

:08:18.:08:22.

closes, potentially into the hands of traffickers.

:08:23.:08:25.

They're calling on the British Government to take in those children

:08:26.:08:28.

and teenagers who have family ties in the UK.

:08:29.:08:30.

The Home Secretary has vowed to speed up resettlement plans,

:08:31.:08:32.

Lily Allen has been to the Jungle to see for herself

:08:33.:08:38.

We'll speak to her in a moment, but first here's

:08:39.:08:42.

a reminder of what she saw, a short extract

:08:43.:08:44.

Calais' makeshift refugee camp, The Jungle.

:08:45.:08:51.

Home to around 10,000 people including children.

:08:52.:08:53.

The French government wants this place gone.

:08:54.:08:55.

And will start knocking it down within weeks.

:08:56.:08:58.

Today, singer Lily Allen is in the camp, meeting the children

:08:59.:09:01.

and teenagers calling this place home.

:09:02.:09:07.

There are 1,022 unaccompanied children in this camp,

:09:08.:09:11.

at massive risk of trafficking or just getting lost in the system.

:09:12.:09:14.

A huge proportion of them have got the right to be in the UK

:09:15.:09:18.

because they have family there, and another huge proportion of them

:09:19.:09:21.

have the right to be in the UK because of the passing of the Dubs'

:09:22.:09:24.

At this youth centre, volunteers are trying to record

:09:25.:09:30.

the details of anyone with the right to be

:09:31.:09:33.

Lily meets this 13-year-old from Afghanistan.

:09:34.:09:35.

He's been in the camp the two months now.

:09:36.:09:39.

I know you're trying to get onto the lorries every night but,

:09:40.:09:53.

from what I'm hearing from the refugees and volunteers

:09:54.:09:55.

here in the camp, you've got a legal right to be in the UK.

:09:56.:10:02.

So, I wonder, have you started that process?

:10:03.:10:05.

It just seems at three different intervals in this young boy's life,

:10:06.:10:25.

the English, in particular, have put you in danger.

:10:26.:10:29.

We've bombed your country, put you in the hands of the Taliban,

:10:30.:10:32.

Risking your life to get into our country.

:10:33.:10:35.

I apologise on behalf of my country, I'm sorry for what we've

:10:36.:10:40.

I know I wouldn't like to end up here, though.

:10:41.:11:16.

I certainly wouldn't want my children to end up here.

:11:17.:11:25.

And if you want to watch again - or share - that film you can find it

:11:26.:11:29.

on our programme page bbc.co.uk/victoria and you can read

:11:30.:11:31.

about Lily's experience in the Calais jungle on the BBC

:11:32.:11:34.

Dave texts this, "When Lily Allen cried on your programme, I cried

:11:35.:11:46.

too. Why isn't anybody?" Clare says, "All over Europe children are in

:11:47.:11:51.

camps, how can we let this happen?" Another viewer says, "It looks like

:11:52.:11:54.

the Home Office is finally starting to respond, but perhaps it is too

:11:55.:11:59.

little, too late. Amber Rudd is talking of concentrating efforts to

:12:00.:12:02.

children under 12. What will happen to the older children? Highly

:12:03.:12:05.

vulnerable to people traffickers, do we not have a responsibility to all

:12:06.:12:09.

children? Why is there suddenly an age cut off when it comes to Calais.

:12:10.:12:13.

And Lily Allen is here now as is her friend Josie Naughton

:12:14.:12:16.

Tell us why you wanted to see for yourself what was going on in the

:12:17.:12:23.

refugee camp? I suppose just because I read a lot about it in the

:12:24.:12:28.

newspapers and in the press. It kind of seems to be reported in a very

:12:29.:12:32.

one dimensional way and I wanted to see it for myself really. For you

:12:33.:12:37.

Josie, you have been there a number of times, how have things changed if

:12:38.:12:40.

they have at all over the last six months? Over the last six months

:12:41.:12:45.

there as been a lot of new arrivals because it is summer time, but

:12:46.:12:49.

essentially the camp is just, it is not a place that people should be

:12:50.:12:52.

living or people want to be living and I think at the moment there is a

:12:53.:12:58.

real sense of desperation because there is 1022 unaccompanied children

:12:59.:13:01.

living there and at the moment there is no plan in place for how those

:13:02.:13:04.

children will be brought to safety before the demolition of the camp.

:13:05.:13:08.

What did you think you would find there, Lily and how did the reality

:13:09.:13:14.

compare? It was a lot bigger than I thought. I moon the numbers, you

:13:15.:13:19.

know, have been, I read 3,000, 5,000, and it is more like 10,000,

:13:20.:13:25.

really, isn't it? The sheer scale of it is what hit me, I think. As I

:13:26.:13:31.

mentioned Home Secretary Amber Rudd saying that unaccompanied children

:13:32.:13:35.

to the UK, we've accepted 80 so far. She wants a list, she wants names of

:13:36.:13:39.

unaccompanied children living there who are eligible to be brought to

:13:40.:13:43.

Britain. Is that enough from your point of view? I will hand you over

:13:44.:13:50.

to Josie here. So people have been aware of the children living there

:13:51.:13:54.

for well over a year now. There intrn names submitted to the Home

:13:55.:13:59.

Office way back as far as July and even earlier. There are children

:14:00.:14:02.

that have a legal right to come to the UK because they have family

:14:03.:14:05.

here, but there are also children that have a right to come here

:14:06.:14:10.

because of the Dubs amendment that was wassed in May that said that

:14:11.:14:14.

unaccompanied refugee children should be given sanctuary. Some of

:14:15.:14:17.

these children are as young as eight and they are so vulnerable. They

:14:18.:14:20.

need to be protected as soon as possible.

:14:21.:14:26.

So you're talking about speed then, are you? Rather than numbers? Speed

:14:27.:14:31.

and numbers. Right. Every life is precious. So every single child

:14:32.:14:35.

needs to be given protection, be that in France or here. That's a

:14:36.:14:39.

good point of whether it is France or here. You will know that people

:14:40.:14:43.

say if people have arrived in France, that's where they should

:14:44.:14:46.

claim asylum. What is the big attraction with the UK? What do you

:14:47.:14:53.

say to that? Well, I mean, this wages is happening all across

:14:54.:14:56.

Europe. We were, I think, fifth largest economy in the world last

:14:57.:15:00.

week, maybe they're sixth or seventh now! No, I think people think that,

:15:01.:15:07.

you know, those people might assume that we can afford it. Whether

:15:08.:15:10.

that's correct or not, I imagine that's probably why they're coming

:15:11.:15:17.

here. Greece has got 60,000 and their economy... Is on the floor. A

:15:18.:15:21.

lot of these people have got family here. If you lost everything you

:15:22.:15:24.

had, your home, lots of your family, had maybe lost their lives in war

:15:25.:15:27.

and you had one family member remember may think in the UK or

:15:28.:15:31.

somewhere else, you would probably go and find that family member to

:15:32.:15:33.

reach safety. And if you arrive in Europe and you

:15:34.:15:41.

are treated so horribly, you are working towards the dream, it cannot

:15:42.:15:47.

be this awful, people cannot be like this.

:15:48.:15:51.

I am just escaping a war that has nothing to do with me. It is a

:15:52.:16:01.

fantasy. A lot of those children have been in the camp for a year,

:16:02.:16:06.

living in conditions that are so below standard, and they have been

:16:07.:16:09.

in France and nobody has come to take them out of the situation. We

:16:10.:16:13.

all have a responsibility to make them safe. One of the criticisms of

:16:14.:16:19.

people like yourself is, we have got enough kids here that need help, we

:16:20.:16:25.

can not afford to help kids, unaccompanied kids, although they

:16:26.:16:28.

may be from all over Europe and further afield. If you are going to

:16:29.:16:34.

spend hundreds of millions of pounds on getting involved in conflicts in

:16:35.:16:37.

these areas, there has to be a contingency fund for the fallout.

:16:38.:16:44.

These children have been displaced, they have had to run away from what

:16:45.:16:49.

they know. We have to take the responsibility. You may have been

:16:50.:16:55.

asked, would you take an unaccompanied child into your own

:16:56.:17:06.

home? 100%. Who wouldn't? If there were children outside our front door

:17:07.:17:09.

on their own as young as eight, there are not many people who would

:17:10.:17:14.

not say, come inside. Just because they are across the channel does not

:17:15.:17:22.

mean they don't deserve protection. By using your celebrity, you are

:17:23.:17:27.

high profile, you can bring continued awareness to this, because

:17:28.:17:31.

these kids have been there for a year, and there might be something

:17:32.:17:35.

in the news a few months, but you bring renewed interest, which you

:17:36.:17:39.

also get criticised for. What do you think about that? I have to switch

:17:40.:17:47.

off from it. We live in interesting times, the media is very powerful.

:17:48.:17:54.

20 or 30 years ago you could not be involved in music without having

:17:55.:17:57.

something to stand for, but now we live in a time where you are not

:17:58.:18:02.

allowed to stand for anything. But I see it as my responsibility. I

:18:03.:18:07.

cannot switch off and turn a blind eye. Do you feel some kind of

:18:08.:18:12.

censorship, you are not supposed to be allowed to stand up for a course?

:18:13.:18:18.

Yes. Because of the pressure you might get online? Yes. And the

:18:19.:18:24.

reaction in some of the mainstream media as well. There are think

:18:25.:18:28.

pieces which will come out as a result of doing this which will be

:18:29.:18:33.

very negative. But I just have to take that as it comes, I have to

:18:34.:18:37.

stand up for what I believe, or else there is not any point. I am picking

:18:38.:18:42.

up you don't like in the mainstream media. I like some aspects of the

:18:43.:18:47.

mainstream media, it is not all negative, but I do think there is a

:18:48.:18:52.

narrative and a rhetoric that is being pushed at the moment that I

:18:53.:18:59.

don't really enjoy. Meaning? I don't really want to go to all of that.

:19:00.:19:07.

This text says, the people in the jungle in a safe country, why does

:19:08.:19:11.

everybody called for the British Government to do something? The

:19:12.:19:14.

French Government is responsible and seems to be doing nothing. The

:19:15.:19:17.

French should look after these people. One person, Lily Allen needs

:19:18.:19:23.

to visit charities here and see how stretched we are in coping with

:19:24.:19:26.

Children and Families Bill needing help. Michael says, anybody who is

:19:27.:19:33.

anybody knows that the Calle camp should not exist, everybody should

:19:34.:19:36.

be resident in the first safe country they landed in. They crossed

:19:37.:19:40.

a dozen safe countries to get to France. Supercilious celebrities, if

:19:41.:19:45.

they feel so strongly about it, why have they not held to their promises

:19:46.:19:50.

and taken a refugee into their home? Because they are not being allowed

:19:51.:19:56.

into the country. How can I? Are you saying you would do. Obviously, I

:19:57.:20:02.

would have to go through the bureaucratic side, I am not going to

:20:03.:20:07.

do it illegally, but these children are being displaced. Of course,

:20:08.:20:14.

there is room for people in my house, I will take them in! Anybody

:20:15.:20:19.

would. The idea of my children wandering around aimlessly without

:20:20.:20:20.

anywhere to go... We have to let it go there, it is

:20:21.:20:33.

happening, closer to us than Glasgow. Amber Road said in

:20:34.:20:41.

parliament we have spent ?100 million on the situation in Calais,

:20:42.:20:45.

but children are still living like this, so we need to make sure that

:20:46.:20:49.

if we are spending taxpayers money, that children are protected. I want

:20:50.:20:55.

to ask briefly about stalking. We will talk to a Conservative MP who

:20:56.:20:59.

would like the maximum sentence to be doubled from five years in jail

:21:00.:21:04.

to ten years in jail. You have experienced it over several years.

:21:05.:21:09.

Your reaction to the potential idea of doubling the jail sentence? What

:21:10.:21:16.

difference will it make? I am not an expert on the legal system, but I

:21:17.:21:21.

would welcome it in some cases and not in others. It is about the

:21:22.:21:28.

individual case. From your own experience, do you think it would

:21:29.:21:31.

have a deterrent on somebody who was stalking someone else? All I can go

:21:32.:21:37.

by is my own experience, my stalker suffers with mental illness, so it

:21:38.:21:42.

would not have been a deterrent. Policing is the issue rather than

:21:43.:21:47.

sentencing. Meaning you felt let down? You talked about it publicly,

:21:48.:21:52.

and when we reflected the story, we had women getting in touch with

:21:53.:21:57.

similar experiences. There are a lot more preventative measures that

:21:58.:22:00.

could be taken. Our prisons are overstretched. I would rather see

:22:01.:22:06.

more actions taken at the point of it being reported, rather than...

:22:07.:22:11.

Thank you for coming on the programme.

:22:12.:22:16.

Let's talk more about the maximum sentence for anybody caught stalking

:22:17.:22:23.

to be doubled from five to ten years.

:22:24.:22:26.

We can speak now to Alex Chalk, the Conservative MP who is lobbying

:22:27.:22:29.

parliament to increase sentences, and Shingai Shoniwa, lead singer

:22:30.:22:32.

of the band the Noisettes, who is speaking for the first time

:22:33.:22:34.

about her experience of being stalked.

:22:35.:22:39.

You have been and are still being stalked by an ex-partner.

:22:40.:22:43.

Can you tell us some of what he has subjected you to?

:22:44.:22:53.

The only way I can describe it, it is an excessive fixation and a very

:22:54.:23:06.

terrorising desire to control and mutilate someone's life and build a

:23:07.:23:11.

wall around them. It can happen on many different levels to people with

:23:12.:23:19.

different profiles. It is this kind of behaviour, violating people's

:23:20.:23:25.

boundaries, and making sure that they are always thinking about you.

:23:26.:23:29.

It is a pattern that I feel precursors violent behaviour, and

:23:30.:23:35.

most people who have been stalked and harassed have experienced

:23:36.:23:37.

violent behaviour by the perpetrators. It is the beginning of

:23:38.:23:45.

a really terrorising campaign, it is very difficult for somebody who is

:23:46.:23:52.

obsessively fixated and compost to stop doing. The former partner in

:23:53.:24:00.

this case denies the allegations, he is appealing against a conviction.

:24:01.:24:05.

Tell our viewers about the impact on you, how it changes you. Changes how

:24:06.:24:13.

you run your life. A lot of people that go through these experiences

:24:14.:24:17.

are forced to navigate their life in such a way that they are continually

:24:18.:24:23.

having to protect their previously, worrying about the safety of their

:24:24.:24:31.

friends and their family. My creativity and positivity has not

:24:32.:24:35.

been compromised, but professionally it holds everything you do, because

:24:36.:24:40.

you don't want to mix being part of such a negative process with the

:24:41.:24:46.

positive things that are going on in your life and work and job. Most

:24:47.:24:51.

people know me as a positive voice bringing joy and sharing that

:24:52.:24:56.

message, so for me to be able to come here and let people know that

:24:57.:25:03.

things can be put in place and things need to be tightened, because

:25:04.:25:09.

stalker is still lives, it is literally like murder in slow

:25:10.:25:14.

motion, it is a sinister kind of personal terrorism that should not

:25:15.:25:20.

be tolerated. As not just the victims but also advocacy services,

:25:21.:25:27.

everything we lobby and four, is hopefully sending the message that

:25:28.:25:30.

kind of behaviour will not be overrated, and you cannot go around

:25:31.:25:36.

stalking and trying to kill people from the inside out slowly and shut

:25:37.:25:40.

down that world, because it will not be tolerated. It is nothing I would

:25:41.:25:48.

wish upon anybody. Tell us why you are thinking that it would be a

:25:49.:25:52.

deterrent to double the sentence, the maximum sentence, from five

:25:53.:25:58.

years to ten. That was incredibly powerful, and it is not unusual, I

:25:59.:26:03.

have a constituent who was terrorised over the course of seven

:26:04.:26:06.

years. When the judge had to deal with her stalker for the second

:26:07.:26:11.

offence, the judge said, I don't have the powers I need to protect

:26:12.:26:15.

the victim. Think about five years, if you plead guilty at the first

:26:16.:26:20.

opportunity, because you only serve half, it is a maximum of 18 to 20

:26:21.:26:25.

months. This person had destroyed somebody's life for seven years,

:26:26.:26:31.

they developed PTSD and had to give up their job. Compare it with other

:26:32.:26:35.

offences, burglary, a mother violating offence, a maximum of 14

:26:36.:26:40.

years, and yet five years. King does not bear any comparison. Street

:26:41.:26:47.

robbery is maximum life in prison. I am not saying that all offences need

:26:48.:26:52.

a huge sentence, but where it is a repeat offence, somebody is being

:26:53.:26:55.

robbed of their independence, the judge has got to have powers to be

:26:56.:26:59.

able to protect the victim, and they don't have them. What was the

:27:00.:27:04.

sentence in that case? The judge gave the maximum, but he said, if I

:27:05.:27:10.

could give more, I would. You see so many women, the only time that they

:27:11.:27:14.

are able to grow again as people, to live their lives, ill their

:27:15.:27:18.

relationships and careers is whilst that person is in custody. They look

:27:19.:27:23.

at the clock, when the person is getting closer to release data, and

:27:24.:27:28.

you see their tension rising. Of course people need to be released

:27:29.:27:32.

and rehabilitated and reformed, but equally we have to put victims

:27:33.:27:36.

first, to ensure they are properly protected. The Government has done

:27:37.:27:40.

great stuff by making it an offence, it was not until 2012,... I've

:27:41.:27:47.

reported on it. It was a really important step, but the sentencing

:27:48.:27:50.

still treated as a minor offence, but it is a serious offence. If it

:27:51.:27:55.

was doubled to ten years, would it deter some people who perpetrate

:27:56.:28:02.

stalking? Or is that not the point? The point is keeping somebody off

:28:03.:28:06.

the street so the victim feels... That is the point. Stalkers tend to

:28:07.:28:10.

be more sophisticated than your average criminal. They make a cost

:28:11.:28:17.

in a fit and answers. At the margin, maybe some, but in the most serious

:28:18.:28:21.

cases, for the judge to say, you have destroyed someone's life over a

:28:22.:28:25.

repeated period of time, you have not listened to short sentences, you

:28:26.:28:29.

will be out of circulation for a while, it is only then we do justice

:28:30.:28:34.

for the victims. Stalkers tend to have this excessive, repetitive

:28:35.:28:41.

offending profile about themselves. It is only a matter of time before

:28:42.:28:46.

they choose and size at their next victim. The perpetrator involved in

:28:47.:28:54.

my case used to brag about having ruined other people's lives before,

:28:55.:28:57.

and that is when I saw warning signs. He would go around bragging

:28:58.:29:06.

that he was above the law and it was exciting to damage people and to try

:29:07.:29:09.

and play this psychological game that does not just affect them but

:29:10.:29:15.

it extends to their families. It extends to dozens of the people

:29:16.:29:20.

around them. You are not just attempting to destroy and assault

:29:21.:29:25.

one person, there is a ricochet effect, and even like you said the

:29:26.:29:38.

doctor in question had PTSD, and things like depression. That is an

:29:39.:29:42.

illness that you are inflicting on somebody else. Did you fear for your

:29:43.:29:51.

life? There is a survival instinct that kicks in. I definitely felt a

:29:52.:30:01.

lot better once I came into contact with the charity and saw some of the

:30:02.:30:07.

incredible stories. So many of these cases have resulted in fatalities.

:30:08.:30:10.

And of grievous bodily harm situations. There are other things

:30:11.:30:18.

that spiral off that stalkers will often do, which is hacking a fraud,

:30:19.:30:24.

stealing money, all of the things that I have experienced as well.

:30:25.:30:30.

There needs to be a message out there that actually we are equipped

:30:31.:30:37.

to deal with you, otherwise people who have to not just fear for their

:30:38.:30:40.

own safety, but for the safety of others around them, my folks had to

:30:41.:30:42.

move house. This stalker turned up at a birthday

:30:43.:30:52.

party that her daughter was. Sent a package that she knew where the

:30:53.:30:56.

kids, where they lived and where the kids and a message when he came out

:30:57.:31:02.

of prison, "Guess who is back?" It is unbelievably menacing. It is

:31:03.:31:06.

invasive and it is violating. It can be the gateway to very serious

:31:07.:31:10.

violence. If you look at the Metropolitan Police statistics about

:31:11.:31:13.

domestic violence, the proportion that have been proceeded by an

:31:14.:31:16.

episode of stalking is eye watering. It is close to 40%. So it is about,

:31:17.:31:20.

it is all about protection this and at the moment the law could go

:31:21.:31:23.

further. OK, thank you very much.

:31:24.:31:32.

I would like to add as well - there is a petition to create a register

:31:33.:31:38.

for stalkers, you know, and harassers, people who have been

:31:39.:31:42.

convicted so in my case, the perpetrator would have to sign an

:31:43.:31:47.

offenders register such as sex offenders and other criminals have

:31:48.:31:51.

to do so because then people can know when they go into those

:31:52.:31:54.

communities and try to reoffend or seek work that they're going to be

:31:55.:31:59.

blocked unless rehabilitated. OK. Thank you. Thank you so much for

:32:00.:32:07.

having us. Not a problem. Thank you. You should contact the police if you

:32:08.:32:10.

are being stalked and there are charities who can help you include.

:32:11.:32:18.

We'll be talking to a mother with HIV who went

:32:19.:32:22.

Vanessa Roberts only found out she has HIV.

:32:23.:32:44.

With 70 stars of Rio 2016. There will be an audience of people who

:32:45.:32:48.

loved the Olympics and the Paralympics, that's our programme on

:32:49.:32:50.

Monday live from Manchester. With the news, here's Annita

:32:51.:32:55.

in the BBC Newsroom. Figures seen by the BBC have

:32:56.:32:57.

revealed a sharp increase in hospital admissions in England

:32:58.:33:02.

as a result of allergic reactions. In the last five years, cases have

:33:03.:33:07.

climbed to almost 30,000 annually - In contrast, average hospital

:33:08.:33:11.

admissions went up by just 8%. Doctors blame increased cleanliness

:33:12.:33:18.

over the last 100 years, but it's not clear what has happened

:33:19.:33:20.

since 2011 to trigger Ten Downing Street has confirmed

:33:21.:33:23.

this morning that MPs won't get to vote on triggering Article 50

:33:24.:33:27.

to start the process However there's increased pressure

:33:28.:33:30.

for a vote on the Government's And Labour is also demanding more

:33:31.:33:36.

detail on strategy. The party is staging a debate

:33:37.:33:40.

in Parliament later, while Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir

:33:41.:33:47.

Keir Starmer, and Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry,

:33:48.:33:49.

have asked for clarification Lily Allen has called

:33:50.:33:51.

on the Government to do more to help children living in the so-called

:33:52.:33:56.

Jungle migrant camp in Calais. The French authorities have

:33:57.:33:59.

committed to demolishing the camp, and re-locating its population

:34:00.:34:01.

of 9,000 migrants and refugees, On her first visit, Lily Allen

:34:02.:34:03.

described the situation as inhumane. Seven-year-olds are being offered

:34:04.:34:15.

free flu vaccinations in England It's part of this year's drive

:34:16.:34:17.

to immunise children, the elderly and those with chronic

:34:18.:34:21.

health problems against the virus. The jab is already offered

:34:22.:34:24.

to all primary school pupils Will Young has announced he's

:34:25.:34:26.

quitting Strictly Come Dancing. In a statement he told fans he'd

:34:27.:34:34.

pulled out for personal reasons, but said he left with "joy

:34:35.:34:37.

in my heart that I have been able to take part in one of the most

:34:38.:34:40.

loved shows on British television". His performance on last week's

:34:41.:34:43.

programme drew criticism from head judge Len Goodman who said

:34:44.:34:46.

there was "not enough Join me for BBC

:34:47.:34:48.

Newsroom live at 11am. Here's some sport now

:34:49.:35:00.

with John Watson. Boxer Billie Joe Saunders says

:35:01.:35:03.

Tyson Fury could take his own life if his boxing licence is stripped

:35:04.:35:10.

after he admitted taking Cocaine. Speaking on this programme he said

:35:11.:35:12.

Fury would slip deeper into depression if his ability

:35:13.:35:15.

to box was taken away, as he tries to deal with his

:35:16.:35:18.

mental health problems. England interim manager

:35:19.:35:20.

Gareth Southgate says he inherited a mess when taking over

:35:21.:35:23.

from Sam Allardyce two weeks ago. In last night's 0-0 draw

:35:24.:35:27.

in Slovenia, they were indebted to goalkeeper

:35:28.:35:29.

Joe Hart for a string England are now three points clear

:35:30.:35:32.

of Scotland who slumped Manager Gordon Strachan

:35:33.:35:36.

said he "felt sorry" And it's a winner takes

:35:37.:35:39.

all in the final one day match between England and

:35:40.:35:45.

Bangladesh in Chittagong. People with HIV are being diagnosed

:35:46.:35:49.

late because hospitals and GP practices in England and Scotland

:35:50.:36:01.

are ignoring guidelines and failing Dr Faye Kirkland, who is a GP

:36:02.:36:03.

and a reporter, has the story. In the UK, more than 100,000 people

:36:04.:36:14.

are living with HIV. About 18,000 people in the country

:36:15.:36:18.

are thought to be living Last year, nearly 40% of adults

:36:19.:36:22.

diagnosed with HIV only found out in the late stages of infection,

:36:23.:36:29.

often meaning they were more unwell, more unlikely to be admitted

:36:30.:36:34.

to hospital, and have longer to unknowingly pass the disease

:36:35.:36:36.

to their sexual partners. To tackle this, eight years ago,

:36:37.:36:40.

the British HIV association, who advise on HIV care,

:36:41.:36:46.

issued guidance, saying that in the high-risk areas shown here,

:36:47.:36:50.

where there are more than two in 1,000 people diagnosed,

:36:51.:36:52.

GPs should consider offering all patients an HIV test

:36:53.:36:57.

when they register. And also in hospitals

:36:58.:36:59.

when patients are admitted In 2013, the guidance

:37:00.:37:01.

was strengthened, saying It's backed by public

:37:02.:37:06.

health England. Here in St Thomas' in London,

:37:07.:37:13.

they have the highest rates of HIV in the local community in the whole

:37:14.:37:16.

of the UK. So, for the last 14 months,

:37:17.:37:18.

all patients over 16 who have a blood test here in A

:37:19.:37:21.

are also given a test for HIV, unless the patient decides

:37:22.:37:24.

they don't want it. So, patients are given

:37:25.:37:27.

a leaflet on arrival, and there are posters explaining

:37:28.:37:29.

about the testing scheme. The benefit for these

:37:30.:37:35.

patients is enormous. We're literally talking

:37:36.:37:39.

about saving someone's life. If you can detect HIV

:37:40.:37:41.

before someone gets sick, you can offer them treatment

:37:42.:37:43.

and prevent further illness. In the old days, we would mainly

:37:44.:37:45.

diagnose HIV in sexual health Because that's when most

:37:46.:37:48.

of the testing was. We're actually diagnosing twice

:37:49.:37:57.

as many people in the emergency department as we are in the sexual

:37:58.:38:01.

health which is extraordinary. We can also see the impact

:38:02.:38:04.

on inpatient admissions. So by picking people up earlier,

:38:05.:38:08.

we are preventing people getting And we've seen a 15% drop

:38:09.:38:10.

in inpatient episodes That more than offsets

:38:11.:38:14.

the cost of testing. In England, local authorities

:38:15.:38:21.

are responsible for funding HIV 82% of these hospitals are not

:38:22.:38:24.

testing in this way. And 70% of local authorities are not

:38:25.:38:29.

funding HIV tests for people But the local health boards

:38:30.:38:35.

do not offer testing This failure to fund, and this

:38:36.:38:43.

failure to test, is risking lives. It's costing lives, and it's also

:38:44.:38:48.

costing new infections. HIV testing is one of the very best

:38:49.:38:52.

interventions in terms What's been shown in many,

:38:53.:38:54.

many studies is a barrier Patients, when it is explained

:38:55.:39:02.

to them why it should be done, But staff members feel

:39:03.:39:08.

uncomfortable, they don't The stigma of HIV comes

:39:09.:39:11.

out and comes forward. The Department of Health

:39:12.:39:16.

spokesperson said, "While councils have had to make savings,

:39:17.:39:19.

they've also shown that good results can be achieved at the same time,

:39:20.:39:22.

and are best placed to understand Significant progress is being made

:39:23.:39:25.

to diagnose HIV early." And the Scottish Public Health

:39:26.:39:37.

Minister said, "Prevention of HIV infection remains a priority

:39:38.:39:40.

for the Scottish Government. The Beaver guidelines are good

:39:41.:39:42.

practice and we would expect boards to take them into account

:39:43.:39:45.

while developing their And what we've seen in this

:39:46.:39:46.

population is many more white heterosexual men, slightly different

:39:47.:39:51.

to the population we've And that's a really

:39:52.:39:53.

important message. If you just focus on populations

:39:54.:39:58.

were traditionally we've seen more Local authorities are keen to point

:39:59.:40:02.

out that they do fund testing in other settings, such

:40:03.:40:11.

as sexual health clinics. But experts say this strategy alone

:40:12.:40:13.

is resulting in patients with an undiagnosed infection

:40:14.:40:15.

slipping through the net. So tell us why local councils are

:40:16.:40:30.

not funding? Well, the guidelines that you just heard about are

:40:31.:40:35.

actually also co-authored by a number of organisations and one was

:40:36.:40:38.

the Local Government Association. So in England there are 150 local

:40:39.:40:42.

authorities where they have got responsibility for funding public

:40:43.:40:45.

health services and a third of them are in high risk areas. Now, I asked

:40:46.:40:49.

the Local Government Association if they signed up to this, why councils

:40:50.:40:54.

aren't doing it? They told me there is hand about a squeeze on the

:40:55.:40:58.

budget for public health in England and they are keen to point out they

:40:59.:41:03.

test in other settings. There are no risk areas in Wales or Northern

:41:04.:41:08.

Ireland. But some GP surgeries are not testing even when they are

:41:09.:41:14.

funded? I asked the councils who are funding the GP surgeries how many

:41:15.:41:18.

GPs surgeries are doing it. One council told me they were happy to

:41:19.:41:24.

fund the GP surgeries, none of taken them up on the offer. 60% of GP

:41:25.:41:32.

surgeries take up the offer, but 40% don't, there are multiple reasons,

:41:33.:41:36.

one was the shortage of GPs and when the scheme is implemented they think

:41:37.:41:40.

that staff get ineffective training on how well it is to manage it. What

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does it mean for patients? Well, I showed our findings to our leading

:41:45.:41:49.

HIV charities, the Terrence Higgins trust, the British Association of

:41:50.:41:53.

Sexual health and HIV and the National AIDS Trust. All said for

:41:54.:41:57.

patients this may mean some patients are not diagnosed until the late

:41:58.:42:02.

stages of their infection which means patients end up in hospital or

:42:03.:42:07.

unknowingly pass the infection on to other people. It is good for

:42:08.:42:10.

patients, but it is cost effective for the NHS. OK, thank you.

:42:11.:42:13.

And there is plenty more on the story on Radio 4's

:42:14.:42:17.

We can talk now to Vanessa Roberts, who was diagnosed with HIV in 2014

:42:18.:42:22.

after living with the virus unknowingly for over 30 years.

:42:23.:42:28.

Which just seems astonishing... Yes, it is a rather unbelievable story,

:42:29.:42:34.

isn't it? But it is my story. Tell us when you first started having

:42:35.:42:40.

symptoms and how old you were? Well, looking back I suppose symptoms

:42:41.:42:43.

first started appearing when I was in my early 20s, but I didn't

:42:44.:42:46.

recognise them as being symptoms of HIV infection. It was like what? OK,

:42:47.:42:57.

it was things like skin infections, ear infections, verrucas, lots of

:42:58.:43:02.

niggly things, bronchitis, things like that, I couldn't breathe very

:43:03.:43:08.

well through nigh nose. I had my adenoids out twice because they grew

:43:09.:43:13.

back and as the years went by those symptoms kind of got worse, but

:43:14.:43:20.

there was nothing really major that made anybody concerned that there

:43:21.:43:23.

was something seriously wrong with me. Certainly during that time

:43:24.:43:27.

nobody ever suggested I get a test. It never occurred to you? No. ,

:43:28.:43:33.

Because... Why would it? Well, I had been aware when I was young that I

:43:34.:43:37.

may have put myself at risk and I was very aware of the campaign in

:43:38.:43:42.

the 80s about HIV AIDS, but I went on and I got married, I had two

:43:43.:43:47.

children who grew up healthily, and I kind of assumed I didn't have it,

:43:48.:43:51.

put it to the back of mined and didn't think anymore about it. How

:43:52.:43:55.

was it that I came to be diagnosed a couple of years ago? Right, well I

:43:56.:44:00.

had a medical problem they wasn't sexually related, but I couldn't get

:44:01.:44:03.

an appointment with my GP for two weeks and I knew that I could get

:44:04.:44:07.

treatment for this at the gum clinic and they had a drop in. I took

:44:08.:44:12.

myself to the drop in. And I got the treatment for the thing that I had,

:44:13.:44:17.

it was a minor thing and while I was there, they offered me a routine

:44:18.:44:22.

blood screening test that they offered everybody at the sexual

:44:23.:44:25.

health clinic and I accepted it because I didn't want to be

:44:26.:44:27.

difficult really. You know when you go to the GP and they say, "We have

:44:28.:44:31.

a student is that OK and you say yes." So I accepted the test and

:44:32.:44:36.

thought nothing more of it and didn't expect it to show anything

:44:37.:44:39.

and three days later I got a text message while I was at work from the

:44:40.:44:44.

clinic saying please phone us immediately. So I'm a grief

:44:45.:44:50.

counsellor, I went into a private room and I phoned up and they said,

:44:51.:44:55.

"You need to come become to the hospital immediately." I said what

:44:56.:45:00.

sort? They said there is a problem with one of your tests and I said

:45:01.:45:05.

I'm not coming unless you tell me. And they said, "You're

:45:06.:45:09.

HIV-positive." I felt as if my world was falling apart. My knowledge of

:45:10.:45:13.

HIV went back to the ad in the 80s, I thought I was going to die by the

:45:14.:45:16.

end of the week, it was a frightening thing.

:45:17.:45:20.

My main concern was that I would die immediately. Which was illogical.

:45:21.:45:30.

But that is what was in my mind. The other concern was for my children.

:45:31.:45:39.

They were in their 20s. I was very concerned about them. My daughter

:45:40.:45:45.

had donated blood in the past, I thought she was OK, but I was

:45:46.:45:49.

concerned for my son and husband at the time and my ex-husband, the

:45:50.:45:53.

father of my children. Could you work out how you contracted it? Yes,

:45:54.:45:59.

from the blood results that were taken, the doctors established I had

:46:00.:46:03.

had the virus for a long time. Looking back at my medical and

:46:04.:46:07.

sexual history, it had to predate my first marriage. I had an episode at

:46:08.:46:17.

19, in 1983, at university in Aberdeen, I was hospitalised with a

:46:18.:46:24.

mystery virus. I had been having a relationship with a guy from Malawi,

:46:25.:46:30.

a visiting student. I was hospitalised for a feud days and I

:46:31.:46:35.

was told, you have had a virus, we don't know what it was but you are

:46:36.:46:43.

fine now. That was it, for 31 years. Do you think a mandatory test like

:46:44.:46:48.

we were talking about earlier would make a huge difference? Some

:46:49.:46:57.

difference? It is vital. When people are diagnosed these days, and they

:46:58.:47:01.

get on the medication, the medication these days is pretty

:47:02.:47:07.

nontoxic, very few side effects, you can live a normal life with them.

:47:08.:47:12.

You quickly become something called undetectable, meaning that the viral

:47:13.:47:19.

level in your blood is solo that you are not infectious and you cannot

:47:20.:47:22.

transmit the virus, even through unprotected sex. It is vital for

:47:23.:47:28.

everybody that has this virus in their body to become aware of their

:47:29.:47:35.

status, get on the medication and become undetectable. That way we

:47:36.:47:39.

eradicate the virus. It is all very well looking for a cure, and I still

:47:40.:47:45.

feel that if you years down the line, but everybody is put on

:47:46.:47:49.

medication, we can eradicate this, and surely that is the best course

:47:50.:47:56.

of action. Now you have accepted the diagnosis, had time to reflect on

:47:57.:48:01.

it, you are smiley and positive. I am not a victim and I am not into

:48:02.:48:05.

self signifies Asian, which I have experienced from other people which

:48:06.:48:13.

are living with HIV. The stigma is real, it is not an easy thing to

:48:14.:48:17.

admit you have, I feel it has enriched my life, though. I am

:48:18.:48:24.

fortunate in that I am surrounded by accepting, positive people. My

:48:25.:48:29.

children and two ex-husbands do not have the virus, that was another

:48:30.:48:34.

fortunate thing. I have travelled to America and met women with HIV

:48:35.:48:38.

there. I try to tell everybody about it. It is a non-issue now, although

:48:39.:48:44.

I appreciate for many it is still a big issue. It is for those people

:48:45.:48:46.

that I am speaking. Still to come, allergies

:48:47.:48:50.

are now affecting more people than ever before,

:48:51.:48:52.

but doctors say they know why. Now about an hour ago,

:48:53.:49:00.

we were talking about the company Concentrix, which is at the centre

:49:01.:49:09.

of a scandal which saw so many Paul had his wrongly stopped, he

:49:10.:49:20.

will give evidence to MPs investigating the company. He told

:49:21.:49:24.

us earlier on the programme that he knew of people who had received the

:49:25.:49:29.

wrong person's tax details and documentation, including their full

:49:30.:49:33.

statement of earnings for the year and their national insurance number,

:49:34.:49:37.

which would be a serious breach of data protection rules.

:49:38.:49:39.

We have evidence that we will race tomorrow that will show they are

:49:40.:49:43.

sending other people's documents back when they return documents. The

:49:44.:49:49.

wrong documents? To the wrong people? We have evidence that we

:49:50.:49:54.

will raise tomorrow. In a minute, one woman who that has

:49:55.:50:01.

happened to. First, Peter is back, having tried to speak to HMRC and

:50:02.:50:05.

Concentrix. They have said they treat the protection of customer

:50:06.:50:10.

information extremely seriously, they have robust processes in place,

:50:11.:50:17.

and they are very serious about the protection of personal information

:50:18.:50:19.

and able look into these allegations straightaway. Sources close to

:50:20.:50:24.

Concentrix say that they also have processes in place to deal with

:50:25.:50:32.

this. There has been a quick tot up online of harmony people they

:50:33.:50:35.

believe have been sent other people's personal information, they

:50:36.:50:38.

believe it is around about 100 people have been sent things like

:50:39.:50:42.

anchor statements on self-assessment of other people and national

:50:43.:50:51.

insurance numbers. Let's talk to a woman whose child tax cut its worst

:50:52.:50:57.

opt, and you were sent the wrong documents, somebody else's? Yes, my

:50:58.:51:03.

name and address of the heading, but it was their national insurance

:51:04.:51:09.

number and their financial tax year. And the claim number. Concentrix

:51:10.:51:14.

were not aware until I made them aware. You got another woman or man?

:51:15.:51:22.

Another woman, I don't even know, never heard of her in my life. What

:51:23.:51:31.

did they say? They did not know. An American bloke came back on the

:51:32.:51:35.

phone, and said, what is your problem? I put the phone down on him

:51:36.:51:42.

and got on to HMRC, who said they were looking into it, but I never

:51:43.:51:46.

heard anything more. I e-mailed my MP to tell him. They told him they

:51:47.:51:54.

are asking for the letter back. They sent me a letter asking for the

:51:55.:51:59.

letter back. We are showing it to our audience now, it says, dear Mrs

:52:00.:52:06.

Whitaker. It doesn't matter to you that you got Mrs Whitaker's details,

:52:07.:52:15.

but I am sure it will matter to her. Yes, she does not even know it

:52:16.:52:19.

happened. Serious eater protection issues. Thank you for talking to us.

:52:20.:52:27.

Her child tax credits were stopped and she was then sent the wrong

:52:28.:52:32.

documents back. They say they have robust procedures in place, but not

:52:33.:52:39.

that robust. That is the question, how robust they? The MPs were

:52:40.:52:41.

looking to this tomorrow when they go before the committee and they

:52:42.:52:46.

will ask not only what went wrong but also, are there any alleged

:52:47.:52:52.

breaches of personal data? Also HMRC refused to come on the programme,

:52:53.:52:56.

they do watch it, because they have e-mailed me and said they would like

:52:57.:52:59.

to clarify that the reassessment of people's claims takes 15 days

:53:00.:53:06.

maximum, and within four days they get payment. Interesting that they

:53:07.:53:10.

watch us. They did not tell us that initially, they made it say that it

:53:11.:53:14.

was four days and then you get the money back, but now it is 15 days to

:53:15.:53:18.

reassess, and once they have decided, it should be for days to

:53:19.:53:22.

get the money back. If they came on, they could say that more easily than

:53:23.:53:24.

through e-mails. "It's weird to look at a meal

:53:25.:53:30.

and know that it could kill you." So says one sufferer

:53:31.:53:34.

of life-threatening allergies, which are now affecting more

:53:35.:53:35.

people than ever before. Doctors say they know why there's

:53:36.:53:38.

been such a mighty increase in severe allergic reactions

:53:39.:53:40.

in England in the last five years. They blame the fact that we're

:53:41.:53:43.

living in a much-cleaner world But what's happened since 2011

:53:44.:53:45.

to drive up hospital admissions for anaphylactic shock and other

:53:46.:53:49.

allergic reactions by a third? Ruby Scott is a student

:53:50.:53:52.

at Newcastle University who discovered she had an allergy

:53:53.:53:57.

when she ate a peanut sandwich And with us in the studio

:53:58.:54:00.

is Hazel Gowland, who's the founder of Allergy Action and is the food

:54:01.:54:11.

adviser for the Anaphylaxis Tell us about your experience. I

:54:12.:54:27.

went to an Indian takeaway and asked for a chicken korma. I told them I

:54:28.:54:30.

had a peanut allergy and they said it would be fine. I took it home and

:54:31.:54:36.

as soon as I had my first bite, my lips started to tingle, I came out

:54:37.:54:42.

in hives everywhere, started to feel sick, my throat started to close up,

:54:43.:54:48.

and I got rushed to hospital. A really scary experience for

:54:49.:54:51.

everyone, especially me. What is it like Tom are living with that risk

:54:52.:55:00.

through your whole life? It is really weird, watching other people

:55:01.:55:02.

eat something that I know would kill me. And going to restaurants and

:55:03.:55:10.

having to be so careful in what I am eating, asking for an allergen menu

:55:11.:55:13.

will stop it is really scary, knowing that you could eat something

:55:14.:55:22.

and I. It is really weird. What is it that you are campaigning for? I

:55:23.:55:28.

also have a peanut allergy. I have had it all my life. We are trying to

:55:29.:55:33.

enable people with allergies to get proper diagnosis so when they go to

:55:34.:55:38.

hospital they get the best possible outcome, support for any future

:55:39.:55:42.

reactions, helps to know what they are allergic to, to know exactly how

:55:43.:55:46.

to manage and treat it and avoid the things they need to avoid. What did

:55:47.:55:50.

you think of this suggestion that the reason that admissions have gone

:55:51.:55:55.

up is because we are just to clean? It is part of the story but not the

:55:56.:56:01.

whole story. Let's deal with that. I thought that was an urban myth, but

:56:02.:56:08.

it is true. More babies are born by Caesarean nowadays, which is not the

:56:09.:56:15.

natural way, and it is suggested that they then have any insistence

:56:16.:56:19.

that are not programmed to deal with allergies in the future, they have

:56:20.:56:21.

more allergic bodies because of that. Also, we live in less close

:56:22.:56:29.

contact with farm animals than reduced to. But parents are always

:56:30.:56:35.

getting the baby wipes out to clean fingers, and there is no need. The

:56:36.:56:40.

trouble is, in times past, we were prepared to lose some of our

:56:41.:56:44.

children, let them have illnesses, and we don't tend to do that

:56:45.:56:47.

nowadays. Cleaning their fingers every two seconds... They don't need

:56:48.:57:00.

to. Briefly, do you think GPs... Did you think they know enough about

:57:01.:57:06.

spotting allergic reaction? Some do. Some are allergy trained and really

:57:07.:57:12.

up for this. To get a proper diagnosis, half the story is

:57:13.:57:14.

listening carefully with searching questions, the history is a lot of

:57:15.:57:20.

the diagnosis, and if we have people who need to be referred, they need

:57:21.:57:23.

to be referred to specialist clinics, and we do not have enough.

:57:24.:57:29.

This just in, it is about somebody wearing a clown mask, the police say

:57:30.:57:36.

they have been alerted to reports of a man in a car wearing a clown mask

:57:37.:57:40.

and in possession of what appeared to be a firearm in Hayes, not too

:57:41.:57:46.

far from Heathrow. The Heathrow armed response unit went along and

:57:47.:57:51.

stopped a car in Hillingdon. And imitation firearm was recovered and

:57:52.:57:53.

a man in his 50s arrested on suspicion of assessing and imitation

:57:54.:57:55.

firearm. Joanna's presenting the programme

:57:56.:57:58.

tomorrow, and she'll bring you an interview with Tom Hanks

:57:59.:58:00.

and director Ron Howard. Have a good day, thanks for your

:58:01.:58:09.

company.

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