13/10/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme.

Love it or hate it, Marmite stocks are running low as a price war

breaks out between Tesco and the manufacturer

Antoinette Sandbach stood up in the house of commons and made

an emotional speech last year about her experience

Today the MP is leading a debate in parliament to get people talking

about the devastating effects of losing a baby.

She'll join us with two other women to talk about their experiences.

And we have an exclusive interview with Ron Howard the director

of the new Tom Hanks film Inferno - he's been talking to me

about making movies, how Hollywood treats older women,

I've had conversations with him. He's a great self promoter. That is

what he does. He has built that brand. I just don't think he's

prepared to do the job. I think Hillary Clinton has been preparing

for this all of her life. Welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning. We will bring you the latest

on the decision by Tyson Fury to give up his two world

heavyweight boxing titles, he says to give him time to focus

on dealing with his depression. And later in the programme

we will hear the incredible story of a sailor who survived shark

infested waters for 29 hours Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag #Victorialive

and if you text, you will be charged Tesco is running down stocks of

dozens of household items such as marmite, flora and PG Tips because

it is refusing to pay higher prices demanded by the supplier. Unilever

is believed to have blamed the price hikes on the fall in sterling. The

company is being of some MPs -- by some MPs of using Brexit as an

excuse to exploit customers. Look at the Tesco website this

morning and you'll find that dozens of its top-selling

products are unavailable. All the items, from Persil

to Pot Noodles, are made They are believed to have

demanded a 10% price hike, blaming the weakness of the pound

since the Brexit vote. And so, one of the biggest consumer

goods suppliers is said to have stopped deliveries to

Britain's biggest retailer. For the time being at least,

the problem seems to be I've just bought these

Unilever items at the store here and there was plenty of product

on the shelves. But some people are reporting

problems buying these Marmite is made in the UK,

so why should its price go up 10%? Some analysts say Unilever may be

using the pound's fall as a pretext for increasing

its prices across the board. Unilever has said nothing

at all about the current dispute. In the battle of the Marmite jars,

the former boss of another big supplier says Tesco will eventually

have to give some ground. That's where Unilever will win

because, despite the fact people may grumble about paying more

for Marmite, they will pay more for Marmite

and that's what the strength But then the people who pay

more have less money So, two giants of the food world

are facing up to each other Let's get more now with our

Political Guru Norman Smith. There is also a legal challenge

beginning over Brexit. Tell us what it centres on. This is a court case

that could yet plunge the whole Brexit process into pretty much

chaos. At its heart, the issue of who should decide, who fires the

starting gun on Brexit, who triggers what is called Article 50, which

begins the formal process of quitting the EU. Should it be

Theresa May and the government, or MPs in Parliament? Theresa May's

view is, well, she should do it because the people have spoken in a

referendum, there is no ambiguity about it, so she will get on with it

and trigger Article 50. She can do so, she says, because of what are

called Royal prerogative powers. What does that mean? Basically,

these are powers that kings and queens had in the olden days when it

came to foreign affairs, which have now been handed to governments. The

argument is, well, leaving the EU is a big foreign affairs issue and

therefore is covered by Royal prerogative powers and it is

therefore up to the Government to decide. Opponents say, on this sort

of issue, it must be Parliament. The referendum was not binding, it was

simply a consultation. It is up to Parliament to decide to trigger

Article 50. That, at least, is the argument of a woman heads an

investment firm, who is mounting the legal challenge. In a modern

democracy, I just do not see that we can have this secretive, antiquated

prerogative, this power to take away people's individual rights.

Parliament grants us our rights and this is Parliament that can take

them away, not ministers and a Prime Minister sitting in a closed room.

The suspicion of many extra tiers is that all of this legal Hoo hah is a

ruse to derail Brexit and reverse the referendum result by people but

didn't like the outcome and are now trying to find ways to basically

nobble it. Listen to the Conservative MP, a prominent

Brexiteer, also used to be a Foreign Office lawyer. I think this is a

pretty naked attempt to steal the referendum by the back door. You

talked about 70 million people, 33 million people voted in on the 23rd

of June. It was a close result, but I clear one. I don't think it is

right for someone with legal friends in high places, getting to go to

court and try to block and frustrate that process, it takes a special

kind of arrogance to think one prison's view trumps that of 33

million. The Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, is going to be

questioned by MPs today, no doubt with more about Brexit? Certainly

more about Brexit. I guess who is running the show. There has been a

tussle between Boris Johnson and the Foreign Office, and David Davis, who

has this new Brexit department, who is actually driving this, who is in

charge? There will be questions about that. Also questions about the

Foreign Secretary remarks about people going and protesting outside

the Russian Embassy, about the role of the Russians in Aleppo, a huge

backlash from the Russian government, laying into Boris

Johnson, demanding he produce evidence for his assertion that

somehow Russia is guilty of war crimes. I suspect we will get some

lines from Boris Johnson around Brexit and whether he is in charge,

and also, will MPs get a vote? That issue is still bubbling around.

Also, interesting to hear Boris Johnson defending his suggestion we

should all be outside the Russian Embassy protesting what they are

doing in Aleppo. We will have coverage of that later.

Now for a summary of the rest of the day's news.

The company at the centre of a scandal which saw

so many tax credits wrongly stopped is due to speak publicly

for the first time this morning - when it gives evidence

The American firm Concentrix was employed by the Government

to reduce the benefits bill by finding and stopping

But last month this programme exclusively revealed that many

people were having their money stopped by mistake.

The health watchdog has warned A departments in England are buckling

under the pressure of a social care system which is reaching

The Care Quality Commission said the elderly were spending longer

in hospital because of inadequate care at home.

Our health correspondent, Dominic Hughes reports.

There's no doubt the health and social care system in England

Today's report by the regulator, the CQC, lays bare just how severe

People who should be getting adult social care,

they are either not getting a service or they're presenting

to the NHS, so we see accidents emergency attendances up,

emergency referrals being up and particularly older people

Today's report looks at the state of care across the health and social

It highlights a 26% drop in the number of older people

getting care from councils over the past four years.

There are now around a million older people who have unmet care needs,

and that's had an impact on busy hospitals.

Two thirds of A units were judged to be inadequate or requiring

I think it's not a surprise given the many constraints

It's a warning signal, though, to those organisations

and to the NHS, and if we didn't have CQC undertaking these

inspections I think many of these problems

that surfaced wouldn't have

The report stresses there are examples of very good care

Salford Royal is held up as one hospital that is coping well.

But today's report makes clear that pressures on social care are having

a serious effect on the system that is struggling.

There are reports that at least four children have been killed

in the government-held area of Aleppo after shells

Syrian state news said the school in the western part of the city

was targeted in what it described as a terrorist attack.

Aleppo has been divided between government and rebel

Donald Trump's campaign team has dismissed claims by two women that

A spokesman for the Republican presidential candidate

described the allegations, reported in the New York

He accused the paper of reaching back decades in an attempt

One of the women, Jessica Leeds, says she was on a flight

when the alleged incident took place with Mr Trump.

It was a real shock when all of a sudden his hands

He started encroaching on my space and I hesitate to use this

expression but I'm going to, and that is that he

The Scottish National Party conference begins in Glasgow later.

The UK's relationships with the EU is expected to take centre stage.

The SNP leader, and Scotland's first minister, Nicola Sturgeon,

will say her party will fight to ensure the UK remains part

Hundreds of well wishers in Bangkok are holding a vigil outside

The Thai king, who's 88, is the world's longest-reigning

monarch and widely revered in the country and by

He's spent much of the last year in hospital and is

Palace officials say his health is not stable.

Three wild elephants have been rescued in China

Police had to break one side of the pound with a digger to free

The elephants, which are protected animals in China, had been

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9.30.

Lot of you getting in touch on the row about the brands produced by

Unilever and what is happening at Tesco, they are disappearing from

the shelves because of the price war. Robert on Facebook, well done

Tesco. Julie, there are lots of different types of Marmite and

washing powder we can buy, well done Tesco. Terry, all companies will

defend profits. Tesco will not sustain this position if footfall

reduces. The dispute was generated by the referendum decision,

whichever way you cut it, we live in a capitalist economy. Keep your

thoughts coming in. Use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE

and if you text, you will be charged Tyson Fury announced he was giving

up his heavyweight belts, why? He's admitted that he's unable

to defend his titles, and so essentially has vacated

the titles to allow other This the latest chapter in a whole

timeline of negativity for Fury. You'll remember he did an interview

with Rolling Stone magazine recently, where he admitted

to taking cocaine to Fury said he decision was a hard

and emotional one and wished future contenders the best of luck

as he faces what he calls, another big challenge in his life,

which he knows he will conquer. Could it be the end of his boxing

career? It's possible, when you consider

all that he has to contend with. He's already postponed his world

heavyweight re-match with Vladimir Klitschko twice,

due to mental health issues. So if he's unable to recover,

it seems unlikely he'll Also, the British Boxing Board

of Control, who govern the sport, will decide later today

whether to remove And he faces an anti-doping hearing

next month for allegedly The odds are stacked

against him, certainly. What about Mick Lerry us, the bad

boy of tennis, playing up to that role?

This is a man, who 2 years ago, aged just 19 years old beat the then

world number one Rafa Nadal at Wimbledon.

Of course, he was then tipped as the next big thing in tennis.

There've been a few incidents where pundits and fans

have questioned Kyrios's attitude and behaviour.

He's been accused of not trying to win matches, ranting at umpires,

he's been fined by the tennis authorities for insulting his

opponent Stan Vavrinka just last year.

Midway through a point on his own service game,

Essentially, handing the points to his opponent Mischa Zverev.

He then had a few choice words to say to the umpire.

What makes this behaviour all the more bizarre,

is that he's actually been playing very well recently.

He was on a 6-match unbeaten run before this tie,

won the biggest title of his career the Japan Open recently

just a few days ago, and has reached a career-high 14th

He's had some heavy criticism thrown his way on social media,

but he has apologised for the incident via his Twitter

account saying, not good enough today on many levels.

Seems he has a long way to go before he dispels that bad boy tag he has

got. What is the right thing to say

to someone who has lost a baby? We know we struggle to find

the right words but this sometimes means things don't get

talked about at all. Antoinette Sandbach is an MP

who you may remember made a very emotional speech in parliament

about her son who died at five days She, along with another MP

Will Quince, will lead a debate later this morning in the House

of Commons to highlight the need She made a film for this programme

about the effects on a mother whose If you have young children

in the room, please be aware we will be discussing

this distressing subject Here's a reminder of

Antoinette's story. I called the number

for the Chrysalis charity And I owe a huge debt of gratitude

to John from the Alder Centre at Alder Hey Hospital, as

there was no counselling available I was overwhelmed by the response

from members of the public and I wanted to go out and see what issues

were facing other parents in I'm on my way to meet

a Mum who lost her baby And to see what her experience

was of bereavement care. The hospital were great,

the day she passed away was amazing - they cleared the entire

ward and brought a sofa in and she She, after that, we did a little

footprint and cleaned her Yes, it was lovely,

but as soon as we left the hospital there

was nothing there. I rang an organisation

who gave me five or six numbers of local

charities and organisations to speak to and I rang them and every time

I had to tell the story, which was painful, more than

painful at that time. I had went through the story

every time. coming downstairs and telling my

family and just being mortified. I was so upset because

I just needed the support very early and I was getting

no, no, no because she was too old, too young, didn't die

of the right thing. And in terms of the

difference before you got professional counselling and

afterwards, what kind of difference Well, it was huge,

because Isabel died on the 3rd of January,

I saw somebody the middle to the end of March

and But in that period I

didn't know what I was doing, I needed guidance,

basically, how to do this. And soon as I saw her she had mapped

it out like a structure and said,

this is what you may feel and may not, I told

her what I was feeling and she

said that is normal, that is fine, and it

was If only I had had that

at the beginning, it was still a painful time,

but that took the burden off a little bit because I could

understand what I was feeling, she took made me understand

what I was feeling. Isabel was very like

Mark, my husband. Features the same, really,

and Emily was very like me. I thought, he's definitely

going to be on the Welsh rugby team. All those things

are lovely memories. Let's talk to Antoinette Sandbach,

one of the Conservative MPs who is launching today's debate,

Chloe Nicholson, whose daughter Phoebe-Quinn

was stillborn last month, and Ruth Ralhan who is pregnant

with twin girls, but knows one Thank you all very much for coming

in to talk about a very difficult subject. Antoinette, you have done

an amazing thing, what you said about your own personal experience,

and today it will be discussed in the Commons. We have got a three

hour debate, which will be a cross-party debate, to talk all

forms of child birth loss, and any MP can come along and talk about

good practice and what is working and what is not working in their

constituency, or their own experiences, or the experiences of

their constituents. It is not the sort of thing that normally gets

discussed in the Commons. Have you come across MPs who have had this

experience? Patricia Gibson from the SNP had a debate on stillbirth quite

recently. She lost her child to stillbirth and there are many MPs

who have suffered child loss. Some of them want to talk about it and

others do not. But we are part of the statistics and it is so common

and we have set up an all-party group that is working to try and

identify some of the causes and to call for prevention and we are

trying to work with the Department of Health to reduce the numbers we

are seeing. You are both going through it right now and, Ruth, you

are 32 weeks pregnant and you know one of your babies will be

stillborn. Chloe, a month ago you gave birth to a stillborn child. Why

is it you want to talk about it? I think, firstly I am very proud to be

her mother and I want to talk about her. Secondly, I have had a lot of

people come to me and tell me they have been through it and they have

had a miscarriage and I never even knew. You do not know they have lost

children as well and it is so much more common than I ever realise,

even throughout my pregnancy. There is a silence. Yes, definitely. I

would hate to feel like that myself. There is a massive to do about

talking about it and that is one of the reasons we are having the

debate. We want to break that culture of silence around child

loss. It is so important. Ruth, you are carrying twins and you know one

of them will be stillborn. We were told very early on that with

identical twins there is a bigger risk of things that I have never

heard about before. You suddenly learn a lot more about it and early

on we were told that one of them would not make it through the

pregnancy. At 29 weeks they were still kicking and moving, so even

though you are told it is still a shock. But you look pregnant and

people naturally come and talk to you and ask how it is going. We have

told people we are having twins and now I have had to say we are not

that very hard. How did you come to terms with being able to have that

conversation? It is so hard for you to deal with, it is so raw, and

because you have been telling people about the pregnancy you are obliged

to talk about it. You are obliged to talk about it and I told the guy at

the Fish and chip shop who gives me extra portions because I am having

twins and he keeps asking if I am all right. I say, yes, because I do

not want to go into it at the Fish and chip shop. But I do want to talk

about it because people will see me with a baby who will not know that I

was pregnant with twins and they will assume that everything is fine

and I will be grieving about my lost baby at the same time as trying to

celebrate the fact I have a healthy baby. I do not know how I feel about

that, so I do not know how other people expect me to Bill about it.

Some days I can talk about it fine and on other days I do not want to

talk about it at all. It is difficult for me to say how people

should approach that because I do not know myself. There are thousands

of mothers, twins, triplets, and others who are expecting many babies

and who only end up with one or none. You have just gone through

that very recently. Everybody knows you are pregnant and you give birth

to a stillborn child and you cannot not talk about it. I was quite open.

When I found out that the heart had stopped beating, I went into labour

quite early on and there were friends and family and a lot of

people messaging me sane, we have not heard from you for a while,

shall we come and see you? I was quite open about it on my Facebook

and about saying it. It was not the birth announcement I expected to

make. But I am still glad I did it. From that I had a lot of people come

forward who have also been through it in the same sense. How did people

react? I have had a lot of support and people have not been friends

with me on Facebook because of this. Because of this? Some people have

wished me well and then because it is so awful they think they have got

to block it out and ignore it and you must want to forget about it as

well because of the situation. You are all nodding at that. That is

very common. There was one member of Parliament who said her friends

crossed the street because they did not know what to say to her, so they

would walk away from her rather than talk to her about her experience of

stillbirth. Did you experience that? I was living in rural North Wales,

so I was quite isolated anyway. But it is very often saying, so sorry

for your loss, or just saying, how are you? It then leaves the door

open for you to either say, I am fine, which really means I do not

want to talk about it, or to then go on and talk about it. That is where

the professional support is so important. I am glad that both Ruth

and Chloe have got bereavement are trained midwives because that is not

a universal experience and it is something that can very much help

parents. Is that literally as simple as you would both like the response

to be from people? For people to say how are you and leave it for you to

talk about it? I have had people on either extreme, one who said how

awful it was and they went on to say how awful it was and then at the

time I was doing OK as I did not want to feel awful, but normal and I

just wanted to get on with life. Another one said, at least you have

a healthy baby and you must be excited. I thought, I guess I must

be excited, but I do not feel excited. I want the birth to happen,

but I do not, because I want to meet the girls, but I do not want to

accept that she has now gone. What would you say if somebody is

watching and they want to know what to say? Nobody wants to upset

somebody. You have to accept the fact that people will be upset and

it is not you that is causing the upset, it is the situation. If they

cry, it is OK for them to cry and not feel awful. There is no magic

line, but it is being willing to talk about it, but also accepting

that I might not want to talk about it. Saying something is better than

saying nothing, that is for sure. Ignoring the fact someone has been

through it, or the fact that they have had a child, it is better to

say something. Something is best. Hopefully people watching at home

will find everything you are saying very helpful to hear because people

do not know what to say and we have had a tweet.

It says it is brilliant that they are sharing their experiences. What

kind of support have you had? A lot of support from the consultants,

they have been brilliant. They are twin specialists. Unfortunately,

they are very used to dealing with this in their work. They prepared me

for a long time. They offered me to meet the bereavement midwife in

advance of the birth, so we can plan making memories. They also warned me

what to expect, things like taking footprints and photos may not be as

nice, because my baby passed away at 29 weeks, if she was born then, she

would look different to how she would add 38 weeks because of how

things are in the womb. They offer me cancelling and they have offered

me support as well. They have been fantastic. Chloe, you have gone

through it so very recently, what would you say to Ruth? Use the

bereavement midwifes, charities, use everything you can. Memories,

definitely. However awful a moment it is, it is still a beautiful

moment, you still get to meet your baby, see them, you get to touch and

hold them. That is so special. Those memories mean a lot. I'm quite lucky

to have a bereavement midwife and things in place to help, to make the

memories. Get as many as you can, take photos. That is all you can do.

I think it is really encouraging that you have had that support of a

bereavement midwife. It is good to hear you talking about the

consultants. There is a lot of good practice out there. It is absolutely

vital that good practice is shared in other hospitals, so mums and dads

are not left to fend for themselves. That is happening in some cases. A

tweet saying, three incredibly courageous women, love to you all.

Another, amazing women talking about baby loss, such strength. Another,

so emotional, brave women, we must make it OK to talk about it so

parents can be supported. From Colin, excellent discussion from

Antoinette and those brave women about infant death and bereavement.

Still to come, Boris Johnson quizzed on Syria and Brexit by MPs on the

Foreign Affairs Committee. He insists that Britain is leaving the

EU, not Europe. And we speak to Tom Howard, director of Inferno, who has

some choice things to say about Donald Trump. That wasn't a locker

room, he had a microphone on. Do you want somebody that will make those

kinds of errors? Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of todays news. Tesco is running down stocks of

household items like Flora and PG Tips, because it is refusing to pay

the higher prices demanded by the supplier.

Unilever is believed to have blamed price hikes of around ten per cent

The company is being accused by some MPs of using Brexit as an excuse

A High Court case begins today to settle whether the Government

needs Parliament's approval for Britain's exit

The case is being brought by a businesswoman, Gina Miller,

Ministers argue they can act under ancient powers of Royal Prerogative.

It's reported that at least four children have been killed

in the Syrian city of Aleppo, after shells landed near a school.

It happened in a government-held district of the city.

Syria state news said the area was targeted in a terrorist attack.

Aleppo has been divided between government and rebel

The last few minutes, Boris Johnson has been speaking about the

possibility of further Western intervention in Syria. He told the

Foreign Affairs Committee of MPs that it is vital not to raise false

hopes around the idea of implementing a no-fly zone. At this

stage it is vital we do not raise false hopes. We know the

difficulties and implications of a no-fly zone or no bombing zone. No

matter how easy the concept may sometimes be made to sound, if there

is more we can reasonably and practically do, together with our

allies, of course we should consider those measures and believe me that

work is now going on. The company at the centre

of a scandal which saw many people's tax credits incorrectly stopped,

is due to speak publicly Executives for the American firm

Concentrix, which was employed to stop wrongful claims will be

giving evidence But last month the Victoria

Derbyshire programme exclusively revealed that many people

were having their money Here are the sport

headlines with Jessica. Just hearing that Jessica Ennis-Hill

is announcing her retirement. Yes, the last few minutes, the heptathlon

gold medallist has announced her retirement from the sport. She

followed her success at London 2012 with a silver medal in Rio. She said

she wanted to leave the sport on a high and has no regrets. Tyson Fury

has relinquished his titles to recover from his mental health

issues. He recently admitted to using cocaine to deal with

depression. He twice postponed his rematch with Vladimir Klitschko. Ben

Stokes says England can become the best one-day side in the world

Laughter Day won the series against Bangladesh. They took the decider by

four wickets. Manchester City's Women

are through to the last 16 of the Champions League,

after they beat Russian side, Zvezda 4-0 yesterday,

Jennifer Beattie with the pick of the goals as they won

the tie 6-nil overall. Chelsea and Hibs were both knocked

out. Andy Murray won in straight sets in

the Masters. Kyle Edmund is out. He lost to Stan Wawrinka. Johanna Konta

has pulled out of the Hong Kong open through injury. She had been hoping

to earn more points towards the season-ending finals in Singapore,

but suffered an abdominal strain. Coming up: We'll speak

to a man who was rescued from the Indian Ocean after twenty

nine hours in shark infested waters. On Tuesday the foreign secretary

Boris Johnson called on people to protest outside

the Russian Embassy in London against the bombings

on the Syrian city, Aleppo. This morning he's being quizzed

by MPs on the Foreign Affairs Committee and it's

thought the situation in Syria and relations with Russia,

will both be on their agenda. In opening remarks, he said Britain

could control borders and be open to skilled labour. It's vital to

understand what Brexit is and what it is not. Yes, it means restoring

democracy and control of laws, and borders, and a fair bit of cash, but

Brexit is emphatically not any kind of mandate for this country to turn

in on itself, to haul up the drawbridge or to detach itself from

the international community. I know, as a former Mayor this city, how

vastly our capital and whole economy has profited from London's role, the

UK's role, as a lodestar and magnet for talent. I believe there is no

inconsistency whatsoever between the desire to take back control of

borders and the need to be open to skills from around the world. There

is absolutely no consistency between ending the supremacy of EU law in

this country, as we will, and being a major contributor to the security

and stability, and economic prosperity of the whole European

region. We are leaving the EU, we are not leaving Europe. Here still

being questioned now. Let's listen in. I don't want to get into what we

call running commentary about negotiations. I think we can do a

great deal that will deliver a result in both goods and services

for our businesses and for our friends... You would not disagree

with your fellow Secretary of State in saying that the WTO holds no

fear? Well, as I said, it would be getting into the minutiae of

negotiations. I think there will be a great deal done. EU division,

something we are not picking up on, what is your take? Quite

understandably, the spotlight is on our negotiating position. If you

look across the EU, it is quite an interesting situation. You seem to

have a growing split between the ideologists within the European

Commission and elected politicians who realise that trade, in their

favour, playing hardball might not be in their best interests. What can

you tell us about that situation? I understand that point, I have heard

it a lot. It's important... I haven't actually tested the

proposition yet with some of the key commission people, but my impression

is that they are faithful servants of Europe, of the EU. They will

ultimately do what they consider to be in the best interests of the

entire union. I think that will be a deal that is beneficial to the

electorates of the people of Europe. A certain amount of plaster has come

off since the vote. Of course, people feel they have a project.

There was a fascinating article in the Financial Times by the French

Prime Minister, he showed why we were so right about to leave. He

very emphatically have this vision of a United States of Europe, a

federal system, with very defined boundaries. It's not ideal to which

I think the British people really aspire. I think we did the right

thing and we can make it work. Do you think, a few years out, no

longer will they have to contend with those awkward Brits, the thorn

in their side, as they march towards closer political union, that could

make for a fresh relationship? I am so glad you speak in those terms. I

think Europe is at its best when it is positive about the work it is

engaged on, it set itself a deadline. I think we should view the

Brexit process as a positive thing. We are sorting out the problem. It

has been a problem for decades. That was the basic moment of diversions.

All else flows from that. What we saw on June the 23rd the logical

conclusion of that die -- divergence, the drift away from a

ideal, articulated by the French Prime Minister this morning. We

don't want to be part of such a construct. We have always made it

clear, it is already very tense. We say, we don't agree with closer

integration, we don't agree with the jurisdiction of the European Court

of Justice over this and that, we have been the backmarkers. To a

certain extent, there are some other countries that have shielded their

own apprehensions behind us. But it is up to them now to get on and take

the thing forward. Let's go to Norman Smith, watching this morning.

Anything we didn't know before that he has said so far? I thought what

was interesting was the tone of Boris Johnson. Very confident,

trying to put the best possible outlook on Brexit. In a way, that is

why, I think, Theresa May put him in the Foreign Office. She wanted

someone there that would go out into the world, a big, charismatic

figure, a big personality, that could sell Brexit to the rest of the

world. Listening to Boris Johnson, saying that the referendum didn't

mean we would turn in on ourselves, there is no contradiction between

having control of borders and still being an outward, positive,

welcoming country. Also saying to those who one MP called the

Remoaners, those unhappy about Brexit, he said a lot of doom and

gloom has not happened, he said in time we would feel the benefits. In

terms of the detail, we didn't get much more on the single market,

Boris Johnson saying that we will try to negotiate the best access

that we can. But other countries in the EU want to get a good deal as

well. In other words, it's in their interests to keep trading with us.

On free movement, again, not much detail. He said free movement is not

carved in tablets of stone. Interesting thing, namely the tone.

Thank you very much. Boxer Tyson Fury has vacated his WBO

and WBA World heavyweight titles, to focus on "medical

treatment and recovery". Fury has admitted to taking cocaine

to deal with depression and he could still lose

his boxing licence. Yesterday we were joined

in the studio by the WBO Middleweight World Champion Billy

Joe Saunders who is good What is your reaction now he has

given up his belts? He has done the right thing. Clearly not in the

right state of mind to do anyway, so he has done the right thing. It has

freed him up to free his mind because at the moment there is a lot

going on, so he has resolved the issue of the bout and he needs to

resolve his boxing licence now. How hard would it have been for him to

do this? I am a world champion and I can speak for him. We work all of

our lives, day in, day out, night, morning, 24/7, to be world champion.

For him to have given them up without being beaten by a better man

will have been one of the hardest decisions he will have made,

especially at this time. You has spoken of your fears for him now

that he has done this. What do you feel now? I think this will relieve

a bit of pressure off him. People will know nobody is the heavyweight

champion of the world unless they have beaten Tyson Fury. I am happy

for him that he has done that because he has shown that he has not

shown any one else's boxing light up and he is cracking on with it and he

needs to get medical help, which is what he is doing. He will be

heavyweight champion again if he does not lose his licence in the

next year or so. We will have to see what unfolds. Thank you for joining

us. Breaking news to bring you about the number of religiously aggravated

crimes recorded by police in England and Wales. They jumped sharply

following the EU referendum and they were up by 41% in July of this year

compared to July of last year. It is new Home Office figures. That is a

very significant increase, 41% higher this year compared to a year

ago. We will bring your reaction to that a little bit later.

A self-serving gas bag - that's what Ron Howard calls

Donald Trump in an exclusive interview with this programme.

Ron is the director of Inferno, a block-buster action film

starring Tom Hanks that's being released tomorrow.

It's the last in the trilogy that started with the Da Vinci Code

and centres around one man's plans to release a plague as a solution

Well, I caught up with Ron yesterday to discuss some of the biggest

issues facing America right now - from racism to the likelihood

We'll have the full interview in a moment, but first let's take

a look at a dramatic scene from the film.

It is the third in the trilogy, are you pleased with it?

I am pleased with it and I think I took it on, because we

aren't under contract to do these, you know?

But Tom was very excited about the fact that the character

was under duress and we are learning a little bit more about the Langdon

Was I given an injection?

No, you insisted anything you got came through the IV.

And something was injected into my bloodstream and now I'm

showing signs of illness.

I like the fact you don't have to have seen the previous movies

to appreciate these, they're a little bit more

But the fact that this crisis, which deals with overpopulation

and sort of an act of fanatical terrorism as one person's idea

of what the solution should be does not exist in the past,

it isn't theological, not philosophical, it is far more

concrete, and these are things we've all thought about.

That, for me as a director, differentiated

Because it suggested a more modern thriller.

A different kind of pace, the fact that Robert Langdon

It also suggested another kind of tension, it's a little more based

When Hans Zimmer, the composer of the movie, who did the previous

two and I've worked with many times, saw the movie, he said between this

Dante hellish imagery you've got and Robert Langdon's state of mind

and this kind of energy you've given it, it needs to be

So the whole thing has evolved in a way that our test audiences

are really enjoying and it was fun and fresh for me to work with.

One thing I was struck by was that Tom Hanks' love interest is an older

woman who looks natural, doesn't appear to have had lots of work.

In Hollywood, it feels quite an unusual thing?

It made perfect sense to the studio and David Koepp, the screenwriter.

And you do gain some insight into Robert Langdon's past,

his emotional side, and one of the things I like about these

Dan Brown stories is that they are big, intense,

they are meant to be fun, they are audience movies,

But, it isn't a wink and a nod, it isn't satirical, you are asked

to invest in it and go with it, and that begins with Tom Hanks

as a real person and not a kind of superhero.

And so the fact we could delve more deeply into what makes him tick,

what he might feel emotionally, past and present, was, I thought,

pretty helpful and also in its own way makes the movie

a little more suspenseful because you are engaged

You've been very outspoken and said what you think

I guess, I don't know if I've actually said that I routinely

characterise him as a self-serving gasbag - that is an American

He has been successful over the years and I've met him,

I've had conversations with him, he is a great self promoter.

That is what he does, he's built that brand and I don't

think that, for me as a voter, I don't think that suggests great

I think he is selling us the public what he thinks a segment of us

want to here almost like he is promoting next

I don't think he is prepared to do the job, whereas I think

Hillary Clinton has been preparing for this all of her life and has

the commitment and the experience to take on the very conjugated

job of being the leader of a major nation.

I think he would be overwhelmed and become a kind of puppet

or he would push back and make mistakes.

I do believe in professionalism in the role of Government leadership.

His comments about women have been disrespectful, how do you see that

and would you describe yourself as a feminist?

I would describe myself as a feminist and because I have

three daughters and a long marriage, I respect the women of my life,

they're very important, does that mean any of us guys

When he says locker room talk, I get that, but that wasn't a

Do you want somebody who is going to make

I thought it was rude on a lot of levels.

Women in Hollywood, I mentioned Tom Hanks's love interest

in your movie being an older women, is there an issue in Hollywood

with what happens to women's careers beyond a certain point?

It is a pattern and as people think about it, it is a question of taste

It's the question of the fantasy of storytelling and what people

All of these decisions are really driven by the marketplace

And they tell executives and creative people what they prefer

It is important to make it an issue and speak about it and suggest other

possibilities and creative individuals and companies

Maggie Gyllenhaal said last year when she was 37 she was turned down

for the role as the love interest for 55-year-old man because she was

I don't know what movie that was or what project, she is

Do you think the 37-year-old woman is too young to be a love interest?

Not so much for me, but my sensibilities might be

a little different than that group of film makers.

I will admit I've made films, it's been years now,

but I won't say, which film, which group of actors,

but literally in the focus group where you show your movie and people

speak about it, many females in many screenings were complaining

that they thought the leading lady was too old for the leading man,

so they were the ones raising their hands, no guys.

Again, that is where I get back to the fact that viewers,

they define a lot of this for the studio executives

The Oscars this year will be remembered for the #OscarsSoWhite.

How much of a responsibility do you as a director have in terms

of casting and changing things going forward,

whether it is an issue of colour or equality?

I think it's very important, again, I think it's very important

that taste and sensibilities of all, that everyone's mind and sensibility

is broadened, and I think that pressure is a very

Are you saying audiences aren't quite ready?

I'm saying it's important audiences and the media,

that they begin to say, hey, we aren't getting enough

of this, women don't look like themselves,

how come we don't see more people of colour or the same kind

And studio executives, film-makers who been going maybe

narrowly down one cycle path might cure that and say, that is right.

narrowly down one cycle path might hear that and say, that is right.

Inferno is released this Friday and you can watch my

interview again on the BBC Victoria Derbyshire web page.

yes, it is in the sea close to Bermuda. It started off life as a

tropical storm and it was upgraded to a category two status and then it

was downgraded and then it was graded up from a category two to a

category four. That is a major hurricane. We are looking at some

storm surge. Sorry, we have lost the graphics. It will be tracking

steadily northwards. What you will find is it will start to die. I am

asked, will it affect the UK? At the moment we do not expected to, but it

is something we are watching. If it does, it will be a completely

different entity to what we are looking at at the moment. There is

its track as we head towards the weekend. In the UK we have had some

showers in Easton, Western and southern parts of the UK. Some of

them have been heavy. They will tend to fade in the south, particularly

the south-east. They will intensify in northern England, eastern parts

of Northern Ireland and southern Scotland. Here they are likely to be

thundery as well. As we head on into the afternoon, western Scotland,

western powers of Northern Ireland, they will see the lion's share of

the rain. All those showers are packing a punch in Central and

eastern Scotland and northern England. In between there will be

some bright sunshine. There will be the odd shower in North Wales and

into south-west England. In central and eastern areas it is a dry

storage. In eastern areas it will feel cool, but the temperatures are

not high anyway. Overnight we will have showers across the Highlands

and the Grampians and in northern England and eastern Northern

Ireland. The winds will be a feature in the north-east. In the rest of

England and Wales we are looking at cloudy skies with some breaks. It

will be cool first thing in the morning. Tomorrow we hang the rain

with strong winds, touching gale force. Some showers coming in on an

easterly breeze and drifting towards the West. Further south it is a

drier picture with sunshine and of 15. That will feel a bit nippy if

you are exposed to it. Welcome to the programme

if you've just joined us. Brexit blamed

for ruining breakfast - stocks of Marmite and other goods

are running low as a price war breaks out between Tesco

and the manufacturer. 100,000 men in the UK regularly

access indecent images of children online -

one charity tells us they've had thousands of offenders getting

in touch in the past year Sharks, storms and killer seagulls -

we hear from a man who spent a day and a night, alone, treading water

in the middle of the Indian Ocean. I'm not religious, but that guy was

looking after me. Now to the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. The supermarket giant Tesco

is running down stocks of dozens of household items such as Marmite,

Flora and PG Tips, because it's refusing to pay the higher prices

demanded by their supplier. Unilever is believed to have blamed

price hikes of around 10% The company is being accused by some

MPs of using Brexit as an excuse A High Court case begins today

to settle whether the Government needs Parliament's approval

for Britain's exit The case is being brought

by a businesswoman, Gina Miller, Ministers argue they can act under

ancient powers of Royal Prerogative. The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson

has been speaking about the possibility of further western

intervention in Syria. He said there were many countries

already selling into the single market and Britain would do the

same. He insisted people should be reassured about the future. Those

that proper sized doom before the referendum have been proven wrong. I

think they will continue to be proved wrong. I think it will take

time for the full benefits of Brexit to appear, because, after all, we

haven't even begun the process of leaving. The whole thing is really

very artificial and speculative. The number of racially

or religiously aggravated crimes recorded by police in England

and Wales has jumped sharply Home office figures show these sorts

of crimes rose by 41% in July 2016 The number of hate crimes

for the same period were up 19 It's reported that at least four

children have been killed in the Syrian city of Aleppo,

after shells landed near a school. It happened in a government-held

district of the city. Syria state news said the area

was targeted in a terrorist attack. Aleppo has been divided

between government and rebel The company at the centre

of a scandal which saw so many people's tax credits incorrectly

stopped is due to speak publicly for the first time this morning -

when it gives evidence The American firm Concentrix

was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill

by finding and stopping But last month the Victoria

Derbyshire programme exclusively revealed that many people

were having their money Donald Trump's campaign team has

dismissed claims by two women that A spokesman for the Republican

presidential candidate described the allegations,

reported in the New York He accused the paper of reaching

back decades in an attempt That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. A of you getting in touch on the

discussion we had earlier, that MPs in Parliament be talking about the

loss of babies after one MP in particular suffered the loss of her

own and has been bringing the issue to the Commons. We spoke earlier to

her and a couple of women going through it. One tweet, I cannot

imagine their loss, still so strong and inspiring. An anonymous text,

what brave women, sitting in tears listening to them. So strong. As a

mother of twins, it plucks up my heartstrings to hear of the tragedy

some had to endure and makes me feel so lucky I didn't have too. I wanted

to hug them all. Hope they get the support they need. Get in touch. If

you text, you will be charged up the standard network rate.

In the past hour, Britain's Olympic heptathlon gold medallist

Jessica Ennis Hill has announced her retirement.

She followed up her London 2012 success with a silver

We have Brendon Foster on the line, a former British long distance

Good morning, thanks for joining us. What a career she has had, winning

medals on the world stage since the Commonwealth Games, how do you think

she will be remembered? As one of the all-time greats. Particularly

because of the 2012 games in London and, more importantly, because she

carried so much in the weight of public expectation, she was the

poster girl for 2012, her pictures were everywhere. Everybody was using

her in terms of promoting the games, come and watch Jessica win a gold

medal. The chairman of the organising committee said he wanted

her to do the women's heptathlon, hoping another athlete from

Sheffield would win the gold medal, and it was Jessica. It was a

wonderful performance. One of the great performances of the whole

games. It was memorable in every sense. I think the way Jessica

perform that day, leading in the 800 metres, running conservatively to

win a collective medal, but she decided to do it in style, arms

aloft like a true 800 metre runner. One of the memories of the Olympic

Games, for me, the defining moment for Jessica Ennis and it will never

be forgotten, it will go in history books. It will be talked about time

and time again. She was literally one of the all-time greats. As you

alluded to, she is one Briton 's most successful athletes. Do you

think the team will almost miss her, the authorities will be worried that

she is not there to attract all this attention from the media? I think

that is absolutely right. I was disappointed when I heard the news.

I was not surprised, she has other things to do, she has given

athletics a fantastic service. The way that she conducted herself, she

has been engaging, she has been so popular with the rest of the team.

She has been a huge role model for women's sport. She has been a real

figurehead for British athletics. The way she conducts herself, the

way she is professional about training, always prepared to give up

her time and her personal story, always engaging in interviews. I

think she is a real role model. I think she will be missed. I think

the sport will miss her, I think the fans will miss her. London 2017 will

definitely miss her. Hopefully there is some formula, with her involved

in the sport, because she is such a great asset. Thank you very much for

joining us. Back to you. The value of shares in both Tesco

and Unilever have fallen in morning trading -

as the city responds to the price dispute between

the retailer and manufacturer. The row - which began after Unilever

tried to impose a 10% increase in wholesale prices -

has left the supermarket running low on dozens of well known brands such

as Marmite and Persil. A Unilever spokesman says

it's facing higher costs Teresa Wickham is a former Director

at Safeway supermarket and representing the manufacturers

we're joined by Ian Wright Is Tesco putting itself forward as

the consumer champion here? Well, what has happened is that this has

got out and it was not Tesco or Unilever that leaked it, it was a

sharp eyed journalist. Negotiations go on the whole time, people try to

put the price of something else, usually done behind the scenes. Now

it has become public, Tesco has an opportunity to say it is a consumer

champion. But I think Unilever will be talking to other retailers as

well. This is not surprising. There is pressure out there. Food and

drink is now cheaper than we have probably ever had it. Normally,

these discussions are conducted behind the scenes. This one, I would

term it a real battle of the giants. Is this going on with all

supermarkets? Not necessarily. There is always argy-bargy between

suppliers and retailers about price. What is unusual is for it to get

into the public realm like this. The supermarkets were engaged in a price

war, they have been for some time. They will be extremely unwilling to

pass prices and the shopper. -- on to the shopper. Tesco has put a line

in the sand, from the point of view of retailers. They are showing they

will push back against big suppliers. The many factors are

saying it is because the value of sterling, the fall in value. If

products are dependent on currency but situations, why is it that is

being cited as an example? People are saying Marmite is completely

produced here, it does not fall victim at all to changes in

currency. Is it an excuse? Well, there are all sorts of unknowns at

play about it. It is not just Marmite, a whole host of Unilever

products. I don't know if they have just taken a one size fits all

approach across products. I don't know the ins and outs of the

products and perhaps what is produced in Britain or elsewhere. We

do import a lot of food. The turmoil of sterling is perhaps having an

impact. Ian, how much can legitimately be put down to

fluctuations in sterling? Well, I think a lot is due to the

fluctuation in sterling, it is not really a fluctuation, it is going

down. It is not a question of where the product is made, they are made

from ingredients sourced from abroad. It is not a question of

whether they are made in Norwich or Burton on Trent, it is where the

ingredients come from. If the manufacturers have too paid 20% more

for the ingredients, the scale that devaluation means that, at some

point, prices have to rise. Is this the start of it, would you expect

other producers to pile in as well? Unilever is in a unique position.

Seven out of ten households around the world have a Unilever product.

It is a really big muscle. The other problem is that we operate just in

time now. Retailers will not be hauling huge stocks of products. It

is quite easy to say, no, we are not going to save you until we sort this

out. It did happen before, actually, with one of the major supermarkets,

and a big drinks brand. They would not accept what the supermarket

wanted to pay, there were stand-offs for six weeks, but consumer pressure

brought it back onto the shelf. Who won out in terms of who absorb the

cost? It was shared in the end. But the supermarket were arrogant to

start with, saying they could do without it. We have a huge choice of

brands now. The problem for Tesco in pushing back, the others will be as

well, we shop in a different way now. It is entirely different, with

online and discounters. Customers to go anywhere they want to and see

price comparisons very quickly. So, they have got to be able to

demonstrate that to keep their customers they are giving value for

money. Thank you very much. Meanwhile, there is a legal

challenge to the government's right to begin Brexit. The court will

consider if they can trigger Article 50 without a new law.

Our Legal Eagle Clive Coleman is at the High Court.

It is being brought by a woman called Jean Miller and she argues

that the government does not have the authority without the authority

of Parliament to trigger article 50. The reason she says that is that if

it is done by the executive alone, by government bypassing Parliament,

it will extinguish and reduce rights and duties that are embedded in our

constitution by way of the 1972 European communities act, the act

that took us into the EU. The government says we are entitled to

do it using the royal prerogative. What is that? It is a collection of

executive powers that derive from the Crown and it goes back centuries

to medieval times when monarchs could do whatever they wanted to do.

The government said it is entirely lawful and constitutional that we

use that prerogative power that bypasses Parliament to trigger

Article 50. I have just come from the court and I have never seen a

more packed Lord Chief Justice's court. The public gallery was full

to the rafters. I counted more than 20 week barristers in court. David

Panico QC, who is representing Jeanna Miller, said this was of

fundamental, constitutional importance because it determines

where executive power ends and where the authority of Parliament is

required. That is the critical issue that the court is going to be

wrestling with today and the consequences are fascinating.

Potentially what are the consequences? Could it derail

Brexit? Would it change the timetable as well? Theresa May wants

to trigger Article 50 by the end of March. In answer to the question can

the law stop Brexit, theoretically there is a possibility. If the

judges were to rule an act of Parliament was required to give the

government the authority to trigger Article 50, it would be appealed and

go to the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court came to the same

finding and it went back to Parliament and there was a vote, we

know a majority of MPs favour remaining. They would be probably

whipped by the government to vote with the government, but there is a

theoretical possibility that enough MPs rebelled, the act would be voted

down and you would have a stalemate and that would go against the

referendum vote. Let's not get overexcited about that, I think that

is all but impossible. But what is good effect is the timing and the

manner in which we leave the EU. It could mean it has to be done with an

act of Parliament and that would take some time and it could affect

the timetable. The consequences are very significant and it is a very

significant case in so far as the balance between the executive power,

the power of the government on the one hand, and the authority of

Parliament on the other. Very interesting, thank you very much.

Very interesting, thank you very much.

The Scottish First Minister will make a speech against Brexit. Lots

of you getting in touch on the conversation earlier with Chloe and

read about stillborn babies. Linda said, I lost one of my twins at 26

weeks. That was 30 years ago and I am so disappointed that services are

still as bad as they were back then. My best wishes to the ladies who

were talking so bravely earlier on the show. Thank you for your comment

on that. A charity which aims to stop child

sex abuse by working with offenders, says 13,500 paedophiles have been

in contact since it launched an online campaign

exactly a year ago. Stop It Now was set up

by the charity the Lucy Faithfull Foundation,

as the UK's first website and helpline service

for people accessing indecent The aim is that people

who are either committing an offence or fantasising about children can

access support to try to change The high figures echo concerns

from Norfolk's Chief Simon Bailey said there could be

100,000 men in the UK who regularly look at obscene images

of children online. So if many are actively seeking out

help through the Stop It Now site, could this be an effective way

of preventing child sex abuse? Angus Crawford has been following

the story. But first that figure of 100,000 men accessing images of

indecent children online, where does it come from? It is more accurate

research and software that can track these images as they pass through

the Internet in real time. It gives them a clear idea. They have now had

years of experience looking at what is going on online. But back in the

early 90s the Home Office did a study and it decided there were 7000

indecent images of children in existence. Fast forward to today and

the estimate is 100 million. Why? The growth of the Internet and every

single telephone is now effectively a camera. Fast forward to today.

Three years ago the National Crime Agency thought there were 50,000 men

in the UK who regularly viewed indecent images. With all the

research now they say it is at least 100,000 men. Every single one of

these images is effectively a crime scene. It is a real child really

suffering. We have got the charity putting a service forward that

encourages people who are looking at these images to go to them. I know

you have met one of these offenders who has turned to the foundation.

Tell us a bit more about him. The name he wanted to use was David, he

did not want his back entity known. He is married, he has a family, he

is middle-aged and its middle class. He developed an obsession with adult

illegal pornography and then that led him down a very dark place to a

place where he was looking at illegal images. He said effectively

his moral compass was eroded by his exposure to adult pornography. He

was arrested, he got help and received a suspended sentence. He

admits that what he did was wrong and he is very sorry about what he

did. This is his story. I was the car crash waiting to

happen because I did not know how to get out of it. No one not on my

door, so the next time you might view a bit more. You are on that

downward spiral, you are in a bubble and not comprehending the reality of

what you were doing. You are feeding the machine that does this in the

first place. There are people out there exploiting young lives for

their own gain and what I did and what others like me do feed that

machine. What is your message to other men who have not received the

knock on the door yet who are doing this? Make that call, save yourself

a world of pain, save your family and friends a world of pain. You

will get yourself into this if you continue to access obscene images of

children. Society will brand to a perv of the worst kind and you think

all you do is look at an image. That is not how you are perceived by the

society we live in, you do not want to be this person.

Angus, thank you very much for bringing us his story. Lisa

Thornhill is a practitioner and treats people who use images of

children. And we can speak to a survivor of child sexual abuse who

is sceptical about whether focusing on this is effective. We can speak

to a counsellor who thinks offering support and help online is a good

thing. Thank you for joining us. Lisa, from the foundation, 1600

people have contacted your helpline and 13,500 have sought help through

the website. Talk us through a typical approach and case. Often we

get people contacting us on our confidential helpline. Sometimes

they have been arrested and the police will have given them our

number. Often they are in a state of shock and they have been looking at

images for a long time and they have not been caught. Often, like the

example that you gave, they can be in a family situation and the family

has no idea what has been happening. If they are in contact with the

police, they can get access to our face to face service. We work

alongside the police and we make it very clear to people who get in

touch with us that if they admit offences that the police do not know

about, we passed that information on. It is a very challenging

programme and it requires people to be motivated and to want to make

changes. For those who want to access an anonymous help, they can

go to our website. Charlotte, you were abused as a child. Do you think

helping people who are looking at child pornography is a good way to

help victims? It is a fantastic way of tackling it because the abusers

are generally afraid to seek help. I have cancelled survivors of sexual

abuse in my private practice and I have helped hundreds of survivors,

but only one potential abuser has ever helped me. They are branded as

perverts, evil, as the recording says, so they are afraid to seek

help. To make it safe for them to access help is definitely positive.

It sounds like you have a lot of sympathy for a group of people that

a lot of people have no sympathy for. Absolutely. Hurt people hurt

people. No one is born and abuser, it is usually a response to

emotional distress they have had in their own lives, a lack of

meaningful connections in their own lives. It is an addiction as well

which comes from a lack of connection and I have empathy with

them. Did it take you some time to get to that view because you were

abused yourself? I had a lot of work to do on myself because there is no

doubt it has a tremendous impact on victims and survivors' lives. You

have a lot of work to get through to work on yourself, but it is how you

deal with those experiences that gets you out at the other end. You

think this is a better alternative to punishment. How do you see this

alongside but management? Daschle punishment? It is fighting fire with

fire. You need to understand why people are doing what they are doing

and tackle it from there. How do you see it? Not surprisingly, I agree

with what has been set. Angus made the point, which is that people who

are viewing images are viewing crime scenes of the very worst kind. I

think the moment we start to sanitise, to turn it into purely a

social, public health issue, which I except on one level it absolutely

is, then we start to make excuses for people who are committing the

worst kind of crime in society crimes against children. Having said

that, you might think that we as a charity who supports survivors would

not support the work of Stop It Now. Quite the reverse, we are quite

envious of the financial support that organisation has had over the

years from the government. We all need to work together because the

bottom line is about protecting children. But I do not think we

should send a message out to society, and certainly not to mental

women who access images of child abuse, that in any way they may get

away with it. But what about the case of David where he was caught

and punished and he went as sought help. What if somebody goes to the

charity first and is never punished, but changes their behaviour as a

result? The key thing is, and I have said this many times, it is better

that somebody stops before they start, that is the key thing, hence

the importance of people who have these dreadful feelings that they

get help. Most people will not get help. 1600 calls to the Stop It Now

And That Helpline Is Encouraging, But Last Year We Received Over

72,000 Calls From Victims And Survivors. That Puts It Into

Perspective. When I Get A Bit Challenged About These Discussions

it is because it is the survivors and the victims and the children who

have grown up carrying the burden who get forgotten and we are talking

about the perpetrators. We need to discuss the perpetrators and get

inside the minds of people who commit these crimes, but we must

never sent out a message that says you will get away with it or you

send them on the sexual offenders cause, because what they have done

is destroyed the lives of a child. Explain that.

There is an element of deterrence, we want people to note is a serious

crime, we a video that explains the consequences, you will be labelled

as a sex offender, taken away from your family, not able to see your

own children, you might be put in prison. The problem for some

offenders is that they might receive a very short sentence, which does

not give them access to any treatment that will address their

offending. Today, I've spoken a lot about helping offenders. It's not

just about help, it is also about challenging their beliefs. The

people that come to us are often very ashamed of their behaviour, it

is not something you can ask many people for help about, it is not the

kind of problem that people are able to hear, because it is an abhorrent

crime. We do not excuse the behaviour of offenders, it is a

serious crime. Briefly, what would you say the success rate is amongst

people that come to you? We have had overwhelmingly positive response

from the people we have been in contact with and the other agencies,

that are very respectful of our work. Would you say anybody can be

turned around? Absolutely, people that want to change can change. That

is the message we want to get out there. If you want help to stop this

awful crime, please get in touch. Thank you very much.

In a speech in Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon will say that right-wing

Tories have hijacked Brexit and use it as a licence for xenophobia.

And we'll hear what it is like to be lost overboard in the Indian Ocean

from a man who survived 29 hours in shark-infested waters.

With the news here is Anita in the newsroom.

The supermarket giant Tesco is running down stocks of dozens

of household items such as Marmite, Flora and PG Tips because it's

refusing to pay the higher prices demanded by their supplier.

Unilever is believed to have blamed price hikes of around 10%

The company is being accused of using Brexit as an excuse

The High Court will begin hearing a legal challenge today

to the Government's right to take the UK out of the European Union

The case is being brought by a businesswoman, Gina Miller.

Ministers argue they can act under ancient powers of Royal Prerogative.

The Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has been speaking about Brexit this

morning before the Foreign Affairs committee of MPs.

He said there were many countries already selling into the EU single

market - and Britain would do the same.

And Mr Johnson insisted people should be reassured

Those that predicted doom before the referendum had been proved wrong. I

think they will continue to be proved wrong. I think it will take

time for the full benefits of Brexit to appear, because, after all, we

haven't begun the process of leaving. The whole thing is very

artificial and speculative. The number of racially

or religiously aggravated crimes recorded by police in England

and Wales has jumped sharply Home Office figures show these sorts

of crimes rose by 41% in July 2016 The number of hate crimes

for the same period were up It's reported that at least four

children have been killed in the Syrian city of Aleppo,

after shells landed near a school. It happened in a government-held

district of the city. Syria state news said

the area was targeted Aleppo has been divided

between government and rebel A senior Nigerian government

official has told the BBC that 21 of the Chibok schoolgirls kidnapped

by Boko Haram two years It's understood the girls

are being looked after by the security services

in the northeast city of Maiduguri. It is not yet clear how

the girls were rescued. But the Nigerian military

is currently carrying a large-scale operation in the Sambisa forest -

Boko Haram's stronghold. The Islamist militant group

kidnapped more than 250 students

from their dormitories in April 2014 - an act that provoked

international condemnation. The company at the centre

of a scandal which saw many people's tax credits incorrectly stopped

is due to speak publicly for the first time this morning -

when it gives evidence The American firm Concentrix

was employed by the Government to reduce the benefits bill

by finding and stopping But last month the Victoria

Derbyshire programme exclusively revealed that many people

were having their money Donald Trump's campaign team has

dismissed claims by two women that A spokesman for the Republican

presidential candidate described the allegations,

reported in the New York He accused the paper of reaching

back decades in an attempt That's a summary of the latest news.

Join me at 11 o'clock. We are just hearing that the British

boxing body has suspended the licence of the former heavyweight

champion Tyson Fury, pending a probe into doping and medical issues. It

was anticipated that may happen. We are hearing that his licences being

suspended. Let's go straight to Jess.

That has broken in the last couple of minutes. It comes at a time when

Tyson Fury has had a lot of negativity through his career in the

last couple of years. He admitted recently, in an interview with

Rolling Stone magazine, to taking cocaine to deal with depression. He

has twice postponed his rematch with Vladimir Klitschko.

Olympic hepthalon gold medallist Jessica Ennis-Hill has

She followed her success at London 2012 with a silver

She says she wanted to leave the sport on a high

Ben Stokes says England can become the best one-day side in the world,

after they won the series against Bangladesh.

They took the decider by four wickets in Chittagong,

Chris Woakes hitting the winning runs.

Manchester City's Women are through to the last 16

of the Champions League, after they beat Russian side,

Zvezda 4-0 yesterday, Jennifer Beattie with the pick

of the goals as they won the tie 6-0 overall.

Chelsea and Hibs were both knocked out.

Andy Murray beat Steve Johnson in straight sets to reach the third

He'll play Luca Pewi, of France later today.

Kyle Edmund is out though, he lost to Stan Wawrinka.

And Johanna Konta has pulled out of the Hong Kong Open through injury.

She'd been hoping to earn more points towards the season-ending

finals in Singapore but she's suffered an abdominal strain.

That is all the sport for now, more across the BBC News channel through

the day. We are going to be speaking to Tyson

Fury's uncle shortly for more reaction to the news that his boxing

licence has been suspended, pending further investigation into

anti-doping and medical issues by the British boxing board of control.

It has confirmed that move. His boxing licences suspended. It

follows from his decision to voluntarily vacate his world

heavyweight titles in order to focus on his treatment and recovery from

depression. He has relinquished his titles. That is in order to fully

focus on his treatment and recovery from depression. It was anticipated

that he might lose his licence to fight and we are now hearing that

the British boxing board of control has suspended it. He has not

actually fought since claiming his belt by beating Klitschko. He

recently pulled out of a rematch for the second time after being declared

medically unfit. He was facing losing his licence and a ban after

admitting to taking cocaine in an interview in Rolling Stone magazine.

He put out a statement on his decision to let those titles go,

head of that decision by the British boxing board of control. He said, I

won the titles in the ring, I believe they should be lost in the

ring, but I am unable to defend and I have taken the hard and emotional

decision to officially vacate my treasured world titles. Let's speak

now to Tyson Fury's uncle, Peter Fury. Your reaction to that

suspension? I have not read what the statement is. Can you tell me what

the Boxing Board Of Control have said? A very brief line, the licence

has been suspended pending further investigation into anti-doping and

medical issues. That is all we have got at the moment. Well, obviously

the latest events, what has happened, that was the probable

cause. He is seeking medical treatment at the moment. That is

where we are, a foregone conclusion that they would suspend. There is

not really a comment, it doesn't really make any difference to be

fair. Tyson is to undergo the treatment, as and when he is ready,

and recovered, the psychological reports, the psychiatrist reports,

the boxing board will review that. How will he deal with this? I don't

think it will make any difference to Tyson. He has been told to

relinquished the belts because he needs to de-stress completed. He has

been advised by the medical people not to get involved in any media,

take total rest and recover from depression. Is this it, effectively,

for his career? Is it over? Definitely not. This has been an

underlying problem for quite a while. I think there are a lot of

events, allegations, which probably tipped him too far. Maybe it is a

blessing in disguise, and he can really take time out and sort these

demons, if you like, what has been plaguing him for such a long time.

Take us back to when you are first aware of the demons you talk about.

He has always had them, but he has been able to deal with them. When he

comes in the gym, there has never been a problem, he has been OK. In

recent times, especially when he came back into the gym to train for

Klitschko this time, it was like there was no zest, he was just going

through the motions, like his mind was somewhere else. It's unfortunate

it has come to the stage where he has had to seek medical help and put

his career on hold. This is majorly important for his welfare and also

his personal life. How is he now? He is fine, he is getting medical help.

Like I said, he is progressing well. He is seeking treatment. He is

seeing the people that are treating him every week. He is undergoing

treatment and I believe it is all going well. They don't expect it is

going to be a long time. They said it could be two, three, at worst it

could be four months. But he will be back. I appreciate you have come on

and reacted very quickly from that news that his licence has been

suspended. At this stage, it is just a suspension. Would you expect it to

be taken away? Yes, I think the Boxing Board Of Control are only

doing their duty, they have to follow suit. They have a heavyweight

world champion and has not boxed in over one year, a lot of

competitions, lots of things in the press about his depression, suicidal

thoughts, the medical grounds alone they would have to suspend. This is

a formality to us and the boxing board of control, they have to

follow suit. Thank you for joining us.

Now I just want to remind you of an event we'll

Don't forget to join us on the 17th of October when we will be live

at the Olympic homecoming parade in Manchester.

The Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is about to open the SNP's

conference in Glasgow by promising to lead the fight against

Glenn Campbell is our political correspondent for Scotland.

They have just announced the deputy leader. Tell us more about what you

are expecting her to say. You might remember that the SNP were dismissed

as divisive and nationalists by the Prime Minister May at her party

conference. Nicola Sturgeon has her chance to reply. She will portray

the right wing of the Conservatives as being the real divisive force in

politics. In her view, they are trying to hijack the result of the

EU referendum to pursue what she sees as a xenophobic agenda. Policy

proposals, such as the idea that businesses would have two reported

Government the proportion of their workforce that comes from outside

the UK. Nicola Sturgeon is against that. She is against Brexit.

Remember, a majority in Scotland backed Remain in the referendum. She

wants to use that vote to try to maintain Scotland's links with the

EU in particular. She once Scotland to remain within the single market.

She is seeking to build alliances with Labour, Liberal Democrats and

even Conservatives across the UK to keep the whole of the UK within the

single market. That is her primary objective. But she is also going to

make clear, I think, that the idea of holding a second referendum on

Scottish independence remains on the table. To underline, when she says

that, she means it, and that she is not bluffing, the SNP have a really

big decision to make on that. Of course, they want to hold another

referendum at some point. It is really a question not so much if

that happens, but when it happens, and whether or not the party should

gamble holding a vote of that sort during the two Mike Freer Brexit

negotiation process. There some that say there will never be a better

time and that she should go for it, others are more cautious because the

SNP, having lost a referendum once, really cannot afford to lose for a

second time. What is public opinion on her

holding one and where would it go if it was hell? Those who backed the

Yes campaign finished with 45% of the vote. Support for independence

is at that level, if not a little higher. What the SNP would like to

see is a trend suggesting a majority are consistently in favour of

independence. In other words, if they did go down the route of

holding a second vote on independence, that they would be

almost certain to win. Those at the circumstances in which they would

like to fight. Whilst those circumstances do not exist right

now, they wonder whether opinion polling might detect a shift in the

public mood once the Brexit negotiations get under and once the

nature of the Brexit deal becomes clear and the consequences of that

become clearer as well. The SNP at the moment is playing a waiting

game, they are in a holding pattern and they want to see what develops

as the Brexit talks get under way before making that really big call

on whether or not to go with a second vote on independence in the

next couple of years. On what the SNP intends to do to fight against a

hard Brexit, what are open to the SNP? I think the First Minister and

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon will make clear that as a starting point when

the legislation comes before the UK Parliament, before Westminster, to

repeal the laws that secure the UK within the European Union, SNP MPs

will vote against. But she will place an emphasis on the idea of

building a coalition, for one of a better word, with those in other

political parties, including Labour, Liberal Democrat and potentially

some sympathetic conservatives, to try and ensure that whatever Brexit

means it means not just Scotland, but the whole of the UK remaining

part of the European single market in goods and services. Separately as

First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon has set up a standing counsel on Europe

with some pretty impressive minds. She has tasked them with looking at

options for Scotland that would maximise the retention of Scotland's

links with the European Union after Brexit. In other words, a special

deal, a special relationship for Scotland. The UK Government has said

it will listen to that, but it does not have any promises. Less listen

now to Nicola Sturgeon. 2014, where everything doesn't buy

and SNP constituency MSP. Let me begin today by warmly

congratulating our new deputy leader, Angus Robertson. Conference,

we had four first-class candidates to choose from. Indeed, we had more

quality in our race for deputy leader than Labour managed in its

election for leader. So, let me on your behalf and Tommy, Alan and

Chris for bringing their talents, their energy and ideas to the

contest. Each of you has a massive contribution to make to the future

of our party. And, Angus, you will be an outstanding deputy leader. I

am delighted to have you by my side and I look forward to working with

you as we lead our party and our country to even greater success.

Conference, over the next three days we will talk in detail about our

work to build a better, fairer Scotland. On Saturday my conference

address will focus on our plans to help business and create jobs. On

our work to expand childcare and close the attainment gap in our

schools, on our absolute undiminished commitment to invest in

and reform our precious NHS. At the heart of every single one of our

plans is the ambition to build an inclusive Scotland, a country where

everyone has the opportunity to contribute to, and the right to

benefit from, the better Scotland we are building to get their a country

where we cherish diversity and value people for the contribution they

make not one where we dug in on the heap of their birth or the colour of

their passport. And the contrast with the

Westminster government could not be more stark. Last week in Birmingham

we heard an intolerance towards those from other countries that has

no place in a modern, multicultural, civilised society. On the day of the

Prime Minister's speech to the Tory conference, the new leader of Ukip

resigned. Perhaps she realised that her job and her party are now

redundant. Last week, we saw the Tories adopt Ukip policy and Nigel

Farage style rhetoric lock, stock and beer barrel. It was a disgrace

and it shames the Tory party and everyone who speaks for it. But make

no mistake, the right wing of the Tory party is now in the ascendancy

and it is seeking to hijack the EU referendum result. Brexit has now

become Tory Brexit. The rampant right wing of the party is using it

as a licence for the xenophobia that has long lain under the surface and

which is now in full view. They are using the result as cover for a hard

Brexit for which they have no mandate, but which they are

determined to impose regardless of the ruinous consequences. Worse

still, they intend to do all of this with no Parliamentary authority,

with virtually no scrutiny whatsoever, and to do it with

complete disregard for Scotland's democratic voice. That is simply not

acceptable. Last week, the Prime Minister told