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Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
This morning, we'll be live at the publication of a report | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
into the stabbing of Aberdeen schoolboy Bailey Gwynne, | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
who was killed by a fellow pupil in a fight at Cults Academy last | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
Were warning signs about his killer missed? | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
Also on the programme, people in serious debt who have | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
mental-health issues are being charged, sometimes over ?100, | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
for doctors' letters flagging their condition. | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
We find out about the campaign that wants to stop the charging. | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
And, a major report from Save The Children says that | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
around the world a girl under the age of 15 is married | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. | :00:44. | :01:06. | |
Save The Children says a 15-year-old girl is married every seven seconds. | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Model Poppy Delevigne has been to Ethiopia to see | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
If you have been charged for a letter or medical evidence from your | :01:12. | :01:24. | |
GP, let us know, we will talk to Martin Lewis at 9:45am. | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
The electronics company Samsung has told customers around the world | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
to turn off their Galaxy Note 7 smartphones while it | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
investigates why some of the devices have caught fire. | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
It's also suspended global sales of the new phone, | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
which has yet to be officially released in the UK. | :01:41. | :01:46. | |
Samsung boasted about its water-resistant properties. | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
But now, the Galaxy Note 7 has been withdrawn from sale | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
Anyone who has one is being told to switch it off and keep it off. | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
Samsung had to recall more than 2 million phones last month, | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
when reports began to emerge of the battery catching fire. | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
But then there were fresh reports of the replacement phones doing | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
exactly the same thing, in this case on a plane. | :02:16. | :02:18. | |
I noticed smoke just pouring out of my pocket. | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
I pulled the phone out of my pocket, threw it on the ground, | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
Many airlines have now banned their passengers | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
This 13-year-old girl in Minnesota said her thumb was burnt | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
Pulled it up, and I saw smoke, and I threw it on the floor. | :02:33. | :02:40. | |
It felt like pins and needles, except a lot more intense. | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
Samsung have not said what is causing the new problem. | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
Clearly, after new phones have been released, after the recall, | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
and the new phones have issues as well, there's something else | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
in the phone circuitry that Samsung missed and they should be fixing. | :02:55. | :03:00. | |
Samsung's shares have plunged in value. | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
The company is struggling to control the fallout from this latest crisis. | :03:03. | :03:11. | |
Let's chat to our Technology Correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones. | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
You have one of these phones, you have switched it off, which is the | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
advice, because what might happen if you switch it on? The first time it | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
came out, in late August in parts of the world, on the day it was due to | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
go on sale in the UK they put out this global recall, because some of | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
them had caught fire in various places. They thought they had dealt | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
with it, they replaced them. This is a replacement phone. Last week, | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
reports started emerging from the US, we have had at least five now, | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
the same thing happening. They thought they had dealt with what | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
they said was a fault with a battery from one supplier. The new phones | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
had batteries from different suppliers. The same problem has | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
occurred. One teenage girl in the United States said it started | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
burning up in her hand. She dropped it on the floor, started smoking. A | :04:10. | :04:16. | |
passenger on an aircraft, the phone started smoking. A huge crisis for | :04:17. | :04:24. | |
Samsung. Is it partly because we are asking for a tiny battery to do so | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
much? Absolutely. These batteries are miracles, they are packing a lot | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
of energy into smaller spaces, we will be phones to last all day, they | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
rarely do. In some cases, it does not have to be many, just too much | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
strain is being put on the batteries. It is a nightmare for the | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
company, but it is a nightmare timing wise, because of Apple's new | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
iPhone, and Google's products. What can they do to restore their | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
reputation? They have got a lot of praise at the beginning of September | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
when they had the global recall, people said they are spending the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
money, putting safety first. This time they have been more | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
flat-footed, the reports started emerging, they did not seem | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
concerned. I have spoken to them yesterday afternoon because a | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
customer in the UK was worried. They said, no worries, he has got a | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
replacement phone, it is fine to use. If you hours later they put out | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
this statement. A lot of work to do to stop the affect of this damaging | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
the whole brand. They are the top end smartphone maker in the android | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
market, which is much bigger than the Apple market. They have got this | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
new high-end competitor from Google, the owners of android, so they are | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
facing stiff competition. They are in disarray. We will talk more | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
later. Joanna is in the BBC | :05:54. | :05:54. | |
Newsroom with a summary A new series of stoppages has begun | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
this morning on Southern Railway. The dispute over changes to the role | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
of conductors on trains has already caused months of disruption | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
for passengers in Welcome to the country's most | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
unreliable train service. Strikes are becoming part | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
of the daily commute. They are caught in the middle | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
of a row about who does this, The company wants drivers to take | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
on the job from on-board conductors, saying it's common practice on other | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
trains and it frees them up The RMT union says its less safe | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
and will eventually cost jobs. One thing would be for a passenger | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
assembly where members of the RMT, where management from GTR | :06:38. | :06:48. | |
and where Government ministers gave straight answers to straight | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
questions about this debacle. There has been way too much blame | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
shifting going on and passengers just want to know when they will be | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
able to depend on a rail service to get them to work and to get them | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
home again at the end of the day. Both sides have upped | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
the ante in recent weeks. Southern has told conductors | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
to sign new contacts, accepting changes to their role, | :07:08. | :07:15. | |
or potentially lose their job. The RMT union has told members | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
to sign the contracts This latest action will last three | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
days but it is part of 14 days of walk-outs between now and early | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
December. There seems little chance | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
of a deal any time soon. Receptionists questioning patients | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
about why they need to see their GP could be putting sick people off | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
making an appointment, according to a survey | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
by Cancer Research UK. Almost 40% of patients said | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
they disliked talking to GPs see 60 million more patients | :07:41. | :07:43. | |
a year compared to five years ago, and say that their receptionists | :07:44. | :07:53. | |
play a pivotal role. But Cancer Research UK's study | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
suggests receptionists' questions can discourage people from seeing | :07:57. | :08:01. | |
the doctor at all. Of the 2,000 people questioned, | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
40% said talking to receptionists about their symptoms put them | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
off from going. 42% said difficulty getting | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
a convenient time was a barrier, and 42% said they were discouraged | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
by problems in seeing Cancer Research UK says Britain's | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
cancer-survival rate is amongst the lowest | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
of developed countries, and reducing late | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
diagnosis is crucial. It's very important to understand | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
what might put people off In fact, it is certainly not | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
the whole explanation. But it may possibly be playing | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
into something around how comfortable people feel | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
when they are going to talk The Royal College of GPs said it | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
understood that patients would sometimes prefer to speak | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
to their doctor directly, especially if their concern | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
was sensitive in nature. A former cabinet minister has | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
likened Russia's role in the war in Syria to that of the Nazi regime | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
in the 1930s. Ahead of an emergency Commons debate | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
on the humanitarian crisis in the Syrian city of Aleppo, | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
Andrew Mitchell accused Russia of "shredding" international law | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
with its bombing campaign Our Assistant Political | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
Editor Norman Smith Does he say what he wants to happen? | :09:21. | :09:37. | |
We will hear a lot of condemnation and outrage today about the bombing | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
of civilians, but in terms of concrete lands, something to do, I | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
doubt we will hear much at all, because the indications are that the | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
diplomatic route has hit a brick wall, with Russia vetoing United | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
Nations resolutions, the merger route seems to going nowhere while | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
America is locked in a presidential election, and there is a reluctance | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
to confront Russia. When you put that together, while we will help's | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
hear plenty of condemnation, from the Foreign Secretary and Defence | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
Secretary, whether we will actually hear some sort of plan to stop the | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
bombing seems pretty doubtful, albeit that Andrew Mitchell, when he | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
was speaking to Victoria a short time ago, said it was important that | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
at least Parliament expressed its horror at what was going on. | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
What the Russians are doing on Aleppo is very similar to what the | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Nazis did to Guernica during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. They | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
are using incendiary bombs indiscriminate force from the air, | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
tipping tonnes of high explosives act from 30,000 feet, and | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
pulverising innocent civilians. It is completely unacceptable. | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
One option that he is keen to push is the idea of a no-fly zone, to | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
provide some sort of safe haven for civilians in and around Aleppo. But | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
even that seems questionable. There are doubts as to who would be | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
willing to provide that air cover, and what would happen if you ended | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
up in a combat situation with Russian planes. Even that option | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
seems unlikely to be pursued. Homeowners in flood-risk areas | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
should be doing more to protect their homes | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
from future damage. That's according to the Association | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
of British Insurers, which says owners need | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
to make their homes Last month the Environment Agency | :11:37. | :11:38. | |
criticised the insurance industry That's a summary of the latest BBC | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
News, more at 9:30am. We will talk about the Crown -- | :11:42. | :11:59. | |
these sweeping the nation, we will talk to a Police and Crime | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
Commissioner who says this has got out of hand. That is after 9:30pm. | :12:03. | :12:11. | |
-- 9:30am. And a real clown, who says the reputational damage is not | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
good. If you have come across a scary clown, let me know, we will | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
talk about it just after 9:30am. Sophie says she was charged for a | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
letter from her doctor. I needed a note from the GP regarding my mental | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
health and the stress upon me from university and other personal | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
matters. This was to let me have extra time for a piece of work that | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
needed to be handed in. The doctor did not say there was a charge until | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
after she wrote it, and I could not collect the letter without paying | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
first. I was charged ?15 and it was a measly three lines of writing. I | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
was appalled. Your own experiences, do get in touch. | :12:54. | :12:54. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
Let's get some sport now with John Watson. | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
Let's start with some candid comments from Wayne Rooney | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
after he reacted to being dropped by England for tonight's | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
In a very mature and gracious way. Absolutely. That was the only way he | :13:07. | :13:19. | |
could have dealt with it. It would not have reflected on him well if he | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
hadn't. He has taken it with good grace, he said it is no | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
embarrassment to start from the bench in the World Cup qualifier | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
against Slovenia later. He admitted he is not the 17-year-old he was, he | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
cannot do the things he did then. He made such a huge impact, he has been | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
the shining light ever since. This is the first time in 13 years he has | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
not started for England, the first time he will be on the bench for 13 | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
years of. It is a significant moment in his career. Everybody has an | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
opinion on him, it was something reflected in the comments that his | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
wife made yesterday, launching to his defence. | :14:02. | :14:26. | |
You can understand she feels strongly about it, it must feel that | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
everybody has an opinion on where he should be playing at the moment. | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
West Ham were in the headlines last week for their treatment | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
Seems as though things might have changed? | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
We ran a feature as part of women's Sportsweek last week, the ladies | :14:44. | :14:50. | |
team were not being afforded the same luxuries that the men's team | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
work, they could not train in some of the facilities, they had to warm | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
up alongside a road, they had to pay for pitch hire, they had to raise | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
money for kit, they had to play in last season's kit. But following a | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
complaint lodged with the FA from the team's chairman, who said this | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
amounted to sex discrimination, West Ham have acted and they have said | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
that they will be brought into the Weston family. They have said, | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
women's football will become bigger, better and stronger. Good news for | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
their team. Tiger Woods yet another aborted | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
comeback for him? Yeah, it is. I guess everybody is still asking the | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
question when will we ever see Tiger Woods return to a golf course? He | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
planned to make a return numerous times before and he has cancelled | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
his most recent appearance. He was due to be playing next week, | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
delaying his return to a PGA Tour. Remember, it has been 15 months | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
since he last played a competitive match. He was a vice-captain at the | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
Ryder Cup. But you just wonder what now for Tiger Woods? It is | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
interesting to say, it is not his fitness this time, he had back | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
problems, he had an affair which contributed to a drop in form. He | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
has blamed not coming back because of injury, but it seems he is fine. | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
He says he's fit and healthy, but he doesn't want to play and his game is | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
vulnerable and I guess he feels he will only go back and play if he can | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
win golf matches and at the moment he doesn't feel like he can do that. | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
Thanks, John. On 28th October last year, | :16:23. | :16:25. | |
during a lunch break at the Cults Academy in Aberdeen, | :16:26. | :16:28. | |
16-year-old Bailey Gwynne, was stabbed in the heart by a fellow | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
pupil after a row over a biscuit The killer, who cannot be named, | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
was jailed for nine Later this morning, the findings | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
of an independent report into the stabbing are expected to be | :16:41. | :16:50. | |
critical of social services, after the BBC revealed earlier this | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
year that concerns had been raised about the killer nine | :16:54. | :17:04. | |
years previously. In a moment, we'll talk | :17:05. | :17:05. | |
to Councillor Marie Boulton, who is deputy leader | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
of Aberdeen City Council and has But first, our correspondent | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
Ben Ando, who is waiting Ben, take us back to | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
that day last October. Well, it was a normal school day. | :17:14. | :17:25. | |
Thousands and thousands and thousands of schoolchildren up and | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
down the country go to school and they take part in their lessons and | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
their activities and they have their lunch break and then they go home. | :17:32. | :17:34. | |
Unfortunately on this day there was a row, as you said, a scuffle over a | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
bus cut and accusations were thrown and it turned into a scuffle, it | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
turned into a fight. At that point one of the youngsters involved | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
pulled out a knife that he bought on Amazon and stabbed the other once in | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
the chest. The knife punctured 16-year-old Bailey Gwynne's heart | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
and he died quickly indeed despite attempts to save him at the school. | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
The youngster involved was arrested. He was tried and found guilty of | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
culpable ham owe side. What was said at his trial was he hadn't acted | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
with wicked recklessness, but if he hadn't had the knife the judge said | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
clearly this would have been a normal fight with just little more | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
injury than perhaps some wounded pride. In the aftermath of that | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
trial, it was decided to have an inquiry into this and that's what | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
we're having the results of today. Why is an independent report into | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
this fatal stabbing deemed necessary? I think probably because | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
it is so remarkable by its rarity. This just doesn't happen and the | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
Cults Academy, the school involved is widely regarded as one of the | :18:44. | :18:46. | |
best State schools in the whole of Scotland. So certainly there was | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
shock in this area and in the wider nation as a whole about what exactly | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
would happen at a school like that. So the feeling is there needed to be | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
some kind of investigation just to establish also whether there is some | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
kind of culture of knives in schools. Certainly the teenager who | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
was convicted of this killing told the police that he started taking | :19:06. | :19:07. | |
the knife into school because he wanted to look tough. Other children | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
said they had seen him with the knife, but for whatever reason | :19:12. | :19:14. | |
hadn't felt that they could report it to their teachers. So the school | :19:15. | :19:17. | |
authorities didn't know. So I think this report will be asking questions | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
about whether there is a knife issue in Scottish schools, what kind of | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
figures are, if any, recorded? And where we go from here, what lessons | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
might be learned. The BBC reported earlier this year as I said in the | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
introduction that an allegation against this boy was raised nine | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
years ago, tell us about that. Yes, that's right. At the trial, it was | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
said that he never had any kind of incident of violence before, but it | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
later emerged that back in 2007, on a lane not far from the Cults | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
Academy, when he, of course, was nine years younger, when he was only | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
seven years old himself, he had been throwing stones or rocks at another | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
small child. Now, that child suffered concussion and his parents | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
at the time raised concerns with the police and with their local MP, but | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
of course, nothing was done. On the other hand, is there any realistic | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
feeling that the authorities could have learned a lot, there were two | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
incidents that were so far apart in time? Ben, thank you. | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
Ben Ando who is waiting for the report to be published and we will, | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
of course, bring you the press conference live. It is due at | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
10.15pm when the report comes out. Let's talk to councillor Marie | :20:32. | :20:37. | |
Bolton. Her three sons go to this school and you too were a pupil | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
there, Marie. I wonder when you first heard there was an incident at | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
your children's school you thought, it is just some fight, just some | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
kind of scuffle? Yeah, I mean, I was chairing a meeting in the town house | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
at the time when I got made aware there was an incident at Cults | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
Academy. Obviously, your mind certainly wouldn't go to any sort of | :21:03. | :21:09. | |
serious incident, but you know obviously it later became apparent | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
that it was a lot more serious and there was a weapon involved. | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
The school community, the local community, was rightly shocked. As I | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
understand it, it is already a close-knit community. How would you | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
say the killing of Bailey Gwynne affected people? I mean, obviously | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
it was a shock. Nobody expected that. I don't think anybody | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
actually, any school in Aberdeen would have expected that. The | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
community was close and is even more so. People have rallied to support | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
both the school and individuals involved. I think parents in | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
particular reflect a lot more on this than the pupils do. We tend to, | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
as mothers, I think, think about Bailey's mother and the other | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
child's mother and put ourselves in their shoes. I think children tend | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
to see the incident as an incident rather than reflecting themselves on | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
it. So the community from the church right through have all come together | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
and played a part in, I think, reassuring everyone that our | :22:18. | :22:20. | |
community is a good community, that our school is still an excellent | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
school and that it was just a very, very tragic situation. Yeah, you're | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
right about people, for most people, it is unimaginable. For mums and | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
dads watching now, you can't imagine sending your son off to school and | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
them never returning. No, you can't. You know, I think, as I say, as a | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
mother myself, you know, there was a lot more attention to saying goodbye | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
in the morning for a while and you know, looking at them sleeping at | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
night and it is something that's not afforded to Bailey's mother now. It | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
is too painful to even begin to put yourself there. Obviously even now, | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
parents are regularly thinking about both families involved and the loss | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
that they've suffered. I understand that you believe the | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
teenager who stabbed Bailey Gwynne is also a victim, tell us why you | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
think that? I don't think, I think we heard earlier that clearly | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
nobody, I think, sets out on that course of action to take somebody | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
else's life. And I think really you know, it was a scuffle that got out | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
of hand. We've heard that if you carry a weapon that you have to | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
understand there could be consequences, but I really don't | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
think that anyone could have imagined including himself the | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
repercussions of what happened that day. As a local councillor, were you | :23:45. | :23:47. | |
aware of this incident involving the boy who stabbed Bailey Gwynne, | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
throwing rocks at another boy who ended up in hospital with | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
concussion? Concussion all those years ago? Yes, I was very aware of | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
that and you know, I don't want to comment too much on that because | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
obviously it will be addressed through the report which is coming | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
out later on this morning. But I was aware of the situation. Is it | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
accurate that the parents of the injured child, who ended up in | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
hospital, did suggest back then that the attacker might continue on a | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
path of violence? I think there was concerns definitely raised by the | :24:22. | :24:27. | |
parents of the injury child then that there could be a pattern of | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
behaviour emerging that required attention. | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
OK. As you say, we will await the report a little later. Thank you for | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
your time this morning. Thank you. That is the deputy leader of | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
Aberdeen City Council. The campaign to allow MPs a vote | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
in parliament before the Prime Minister begins her Brexit | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
negotiations isn't going away despite ministers saying | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
there won't be a vote Yesterday the former Labour leader, | :24:54. | :24:55. | |
Ed Miliband, who voted to remain in the EU, | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
told us the government needs consent from Parliament before | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
starting the negotiations. I accept the result | :25:03. | :25:04. | |
of this referendum. The British people voted to leave | :25:05. | :25:05. | |
the European Union. This is not about trying to reverse | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
the result through Parliament. But what they didn't vote | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
for was a particular type of Brexit, and there are lots of decisions | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
to be made about migration, about the economy and the single | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
market, and my point is Parliament's got to take a view on that, | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
if you like, to give the Government Because we know that Theresa May, | :25:25. | :25:27. | |
by the end of March, is going to be triggering Article 50 | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
to start leaving the European Union. And my basic point is the Government | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
can't go off and do these negotiations without getting | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
the consent of Parliament for the way they're going to go | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
about these negotiations, and what they're going to be arguing | :25:45. | :25:46. | |
for for the British people. Which is if this is | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
all about sovereignty, the sovereignty of the people - | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
which lots of people who want us to leave Europe, | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
the European Union, said it was - then Parliament, as a representative | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
of the people, has to take a view. And the people have to be | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
consulted, you know? People have to have laid | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
before them the choices, Stephen Phillips is a Conservative | :26:04. | :26:05. | |
MP and he voted to leave He was pushing for an urgent debate | :26:06. | :26:24. | |
on the issue today, but was turned down. When you voted to leave didn't | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
it occur to you that it was in effect a vote giving your party in | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
Government the go-ahead to negotiate its way out of the EU in any way it | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
chose? No, that's not what I think it was at all. I voted Leave | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
personally. I had nothing to do with the leave campaign, I thought it was | :26:42. | :26:46. | |
disgraceful. I voted Leave to ensure the sovereignty to the Parliament to | :26:47. | :26:49. | |
which the people who voted for me at general election returned me. That's | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
why I did it. I think it is wrong for the Government, which has a very | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
clear mandate for Brexit, not to consult Parliament over the precise | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
form of Brexit that we're going to have. We didn't know at the time of | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
the referendum what was on the cards in those terms and there are many | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
ways in which this could go. The Government has a very clear mandate | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
for Brexit, but it has to come and ask Parliament what it is the people | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
of this country actually want in terms of their future relationship | :27:16. | :27:17. | |
with the European Union. And how will you have the answer to that | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
question of what people want? Well, we give the Government a steer in | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
broad terms. Obviously we, as members of Parliament, have very | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
frequent contact with our constituents and with with the | :27:30. | :27:32. | |
businesses in our constituency. My guidance to the Government for | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
example would be that it is imperative that this country remains | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
a member of the single European market. It is our biggest market and | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
for example, for Lincolnshire farmers, many of whom live in my | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
constituency, what we can't see is tariffs imposed on the products that | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
we export to Europe and that's very important for the manufacturing | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
industry in my constituency and you know, we've had leaks overnight from | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
the treasury about what actually a hard Brexit, being outside the | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
single market is going to mean and it will mean a reduction in GDP of | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
10%. That will mean that we cannot pay for the public services which | :28:07. | :28:09. | |
the people of this country actually need and that's why membership of | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
the single market is so important. Right. You called your Government to | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
ranker for not giving you what you want? I voted Leave in order to | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
ensure the sovereignty of this Parliament and to remove the tyranny | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
of an unelected European Commission imposing rules on my constituents | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
and I think that very clearly that you should be able to throw out of | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
office the people who make the rules by which you riff your lives. I | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
didn't tell anyone else how to vote, it seems to me utterly wrong for the | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
Government, having recognised that Parliament is sovereign, not to then | :28:48. | :28:50. | |
go and consult the representatives of the British people. It is just as | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
tyrannical as the previous position that prevailed where the European | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
Commission was making laws, rules and regulations governing our lives | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
without reference to the representatives who was stuck in | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
that place across the road to represent their constituents. The | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
Brexit secretary, David Davis, says they will consult the | :29:09. | :29:10. | |
representatives of the British people, you and your colleagues, you | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
will get plenty of chances to debat the issue? Well, in a sense we had a | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
chance yesterday, there was a very lengthy statement in the House of | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
Commons. But that's a statement by the Government as to its position | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
and frankly, it didn't contain a great deal of information. That's | :29:25. | :29:27. | |
all it is. It is not asking Parliament. Asking members of | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
Parliament on behalf of their constituents what sort of Brexit we | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
actually want? What sort of Brexit is in the country's best interests | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
and I'm not asking and nobody else is for a running commentry on the | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
negotiations, but there are a number of different ways which this could | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
play out. We could go down the route that Norway did or Switzerland did, | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
we go down a road where we have hard Brexit or we could have a bespoke | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
deal, given that we are a permanent member of the United Nations | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
Security Council, Europe's largest trading partner that's realistically | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
on the table and that bespoke deal is what the Government has to come | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
to Parliament to listen to the views of MPs to see what deal it is that | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
we actually want, how important is immigration, how important is the | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
single market, what is it that the people of this country want having | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
been given a clear mandate to the British Government to take us out of | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
the EU, what is the particular deal that we want and you should consult | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
Parliament over that? That's what the Government should be doing. | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
Why would the Government want to show their hand, even though it | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
might mean consulting Duke in the Commons, before beginning the | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
negotiations with the of Europe? David Davis said he did not think it | :30:43. | :30:49. | |
was... They wanted to negotiate what they thought was in the national | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
interest without being constrained by consulting with you. We are not | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
asking for a detailed, blow by blow account of what goes on. But as I | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
say, there are a number of different ways in which this can play at, and | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
the Government needs to know what the representatives of the people of | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
this country think about the broad thrust of the ultimate outcome. The | :31:12. | :31:18. | |
other problem, which is hopeless, at the moment the Government starts | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
negotiating with 27 other governments, the position is not | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
only going to leak, it will be openly discussed in 27 other | :31:27. | :31:32. | |
parliaments within Europe. Why is our Parliament the only one which is | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
not going to know precisely what the Government's broad position is? It | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
is proposed is. It sounds like you don't trust Theresa May and David | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
Davis. It is not that, but I think they need to listen to what the | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
views of my constituents are, as expressed through me. They were | :31:53. | :31:57. | |
clear, by a clear majority, they wanted to leave the EU. We are going | :31:58. | :32:05. | |
to leave. The Prime Minister has been clear about that. But what | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
David and the Prime Minister need to listen to is what form Parliament | :32:10. | :32:15. | |
thinks leaving Europe should take. That is why we need these debates, | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
and it is white Parliament needs, before the Government figures | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
Article 50, to vote on the broad thrust of where we are trying to get | :32:25. | :32:32. | |
to. If you don't get that? When Teresa May was Home Secretary I | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
fought her onto issues, I record is played two, one two. If you don't | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
win this, then what? I shall carry on fighting. My job is to exercise | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
my judgment and do what I think is right, irrespective of how much that | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
might upset the Government or my whips or anybody else. I was stuck | :32:53. | :32:56. | |
in Parliament by the people of my constituency to do what I think is | :32:57. | :33:03. | |
right, and that is what I am doing. You voted to leave the EU. And he | :33:04. | :33:10. | |
wants quite a bit from the Government. We will see what they | :33:11. | :33:11. | |
do, this campaign will continue. Still to come, a new craze | :33:12. | :33:17. | |
is spreading across the nation, people are dressing as clowns | :33:18. | :33:19. | |
and frightening people in the street, but why do | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
we find clowns so scary? We will talk to parents of children | :33:22. | :33:30. | |
who have been affected, and a real crowd who says the craze is having a | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
bad effect on his business. And, the Police and Crime Commissioner for | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
Northumbria. And people with mental health issues | :33:38. | :33:39. | |
are being charged for doctors Sometimes up to ?150. Martin Lewis | :33:40. | :33:51. | |
is telling us why he is campaigning for the practice to be stopped. | :33:52. | :33:59. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :34:00. | :34:02. | |
Samsung has told customers around the world to stop | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
using their Galaxy Note 7 smartphones while it | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
investigates a spate of fires in the original handsets, | :34:07. | :34:08. | |
It's also suspended sales of the new phones. | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
According to the company, 45,000 Note 7s have been | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
bought across Europe through pre-ordering, | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
A new three-day walkout has begun on Southern Railway. | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
The dispute over changes to the role of conductors on trains has | :34:22. | :34:24. | |
already caused months of disruption for passengers | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
Southern says it will be running about 60% of its normal timetable. | :34:27. | :34:34. | |
Receptionists quizzing patients about why they need to see their GP | :34:35. | :34:36. | |
could be putting some sick people off visiting their surgery. | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
That's according to a survey by Cancer Research UK, | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
in which four in ten of those questioned said they disliked having | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
to discuss their illness with office staff in order | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
The charity says this could be putting people's health at risk, | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
as early diagnosis is key in the fight against cancer. | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
A former Conservative cabinet minister has likened Russia's role | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
in the war in Syria to the bombing of civilians carried out | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
by Germany's Nazi regime in Spain in the 1930s. | :35:05. | :35:08. | |
Ahead of an emergency Commons debate on the humanitarian crisis | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
in the Syrian city of Aleppo, Andrew Mitchell accused Russia | :35:12. | :35:13. | |
of "shredding" international law with its bombing campaign | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
What the Russians are doing on Aleppo is very similar to what the | :35:18. | :35:32. | |
Nazis did to Guernica during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. They | :35:33. | :35:38. | |
are using incendiary bombs, in disk and it forced from the air, tipping | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
high explosive, tonnes of it, out from 30,000 feet and pulverising | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
innocent civilians. It is completely unacceptable. | :35:48. | :35:48. | |
And you can hear that full interview with Andrew Mitchell after 10am. | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
The UN's secretary-general Ban Ki-moon says a huge response | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
is needed to help the 1.4 million people affected by last | :35:54. | :35:56. | |
He said some towns and cities in the country have | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
Meanwhile, in America, President Obama has declared | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
a state of emergency in the state of North Carolina, | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
releasing federal funds to those affected by the storm. | :36:08. | :36:13. | |
The opposition Labour Party in Australia has blocked government | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
plans to hold a referendum on legalising same-sex marriage. | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull wants to hold a non-binding ballot | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
But Labour argues that the decision should be taken by parliament, | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
to avoid what it sees as a divisive and possibly-harmful public debate. | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10am. | :36:34. | :36:43. | |
Could I introduce you to a real clown? Come here. How are you? How | :36:44. | :36:51. | |
are you doing? How long have you been a professional clown? 45 years, | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
which is amazing, because I am only 27! You look amazing. We will talk | :36:58. | :37:04. | |
about this scary crown's clown craze. It is in all the media. And | :37:05. | :37:14. | |
on everybody's phone. It is really topical at the moment. It cannot do | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
us any good. We will talk more. Here's some sport now | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
with John Watson. Wayne Rooney says he will not | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
turn his back on playing for England despite being dropped | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
from the starting XI for tonight's World Cup | :37:28. | :37:28. | |
qualifier against Slovenia. Caretaker manager Gareth Southgate | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
said Rooney still provides It's a big night for Scotland, | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
currently two points behind England. They're in Slovakia, | :37:35. | :37:41. | |
and manager Gordon Strachan says he's targeting second place | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
in the group, behind England. Meanwhile, Northern Ireland | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
face a rematch tonight with world champions Germany, | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
just four months after losing to And, Tiger Woods delays yet another | :37:51. | :37:52. | |
comeback to tournament golf, When we will see -- when the deal we | :37:53. | :38:12. | |
see him play another competitive game of golf? It is not looking like | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
any time soon at the moment. One girl under 15 is married every | :38:15. | :38:30. | |
seven seconds. A model recently went to Ethiopia to see the problem | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
first-hand, we will talk to her live later, along with other campaigners, | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
but first, a little of what you found. | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
We are here in Ethiopian, somewhere I have wanted to travel to since I | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
was a little girl, and we will investigate child marriage and | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
female genital mutilation and the issues and concerns that surround | :38:52. | :38:52. | |
these topics. So we've just arrived in a small | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
village in Marfranc. This is where they run | :38:57. | :39:04. | |
the Save The Children programme Keep It Real, and I'm going to be | :39:05. | :39:06. | |
speaking to young girls Nice to meet you, how | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
are you? So, right now I'm with | :39:10. | :39:11. | |
this beautiful girl. We're at her school, and she's just | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
been telling me all about her story She was 11 years old when she was | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
proposition to be married. And with the help of | :39:22. | :39:28. | |
Save The Children's Keep It Real programme, she learned | :39:29. | :39:30. | |
about all the problems And with the help of her brother | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
and sister, they managed to persuade her parents that child | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
marriage was not a good thing. She is now at school | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
and is number one... When she even told me that I should | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
ask the teacher if that is true. I hear that you were | :39:44. | :39:52. | |
married as a child. Would it be OK for me | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
to come to your home So I spent my afternoon | :40:00. | :40:02. | |
with the lovely Salaam, When she was just 13 years | :40:03. | :40:14. | |
old, she was married. And by the time she was 14 she was | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
pregnant with her first child. But when she was nine months | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
pregnant, she left her husband as he was physically abusive, | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
and moved back in with her family. But not only that, | :40:26. | :40:30. | |
when she was engaged to him he promised her that she would still | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
have an opportunity to have an education, | :40:34. | :40:35. | |
something that he totally And instead, she did house chores | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
and had to work unbearable hours, something that a 13-year-old really | :40:38. | :40:44. | |
shouldn't have to do. I have a 13-year-old cousin, | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
and the idea of her getting married and then by next year | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
having a baby, to me, It's something that I can't | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
believe is happening But the lovely Salaam has got | :40:58. | :41:03. | |
a bright future ahead of her. And it was truly an honour | :41:04. | :41:15. | |
for her to share her story with me. We will be talking to | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
Poppy Delevigne after 10am along with the director | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
of Save The Children and a woman who was herself a child bride, | :41:26. | :41:33. | |
Shobha Dheru was nine years old when she was married | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
to an 11-year-old boy. The "scary-clown" craze | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
is spreading across the UK, with one police force dealing | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
with 14 reports in 24 hours. Officers have been called | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
to a string of incidents where pranksters or criminals dress | :41:53. | :41:54. | |
as clowns to try to scare There have been reports of these | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
clowns using weapons, The phenomenon took off | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
in the United States in late summer and has quickly spread around | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
the world, with reports of clowns committing criminal acts as far | :42:09. | :42:10. | |
away as New Zealand. It may have started in America, | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
but clown sightings are becoming an increasing problem for police | :42:15. | :43:09. | |
and communities in Britain. Thames Valley Police say | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
they received 14 calls In Norwich, a man was arrested | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
after a clown left a woman And in County Durham, someone | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
dressed as a clown near a school We can speak now to Mattie Faint, | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
who's been a professional In our Newcastle studio | :43:29. | :43:35. | |
is Vera Baird, Northumbria's Police With her is Charlene Paterson, | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
whose daughter's school was put into lockdown after threats | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
from clowns in the surrounding area. Yes, that was similar to what | :43:46. | :44:02. | |
happened. What did happen? Clowns have threatened the areas, the | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
schools of Newcastle, and every school as a precaution but in | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
measures to make sure nobody was hurt. It was to make sure nobody | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
came in or out of the schools. What affect did it have on your daughter? | :44:20. | :44:26. | |
It is general fear, not just on her, but all of her friends, everybody | :44:27. | :44:29. | |
else in the school. What are you afraid of? Who is behind the mask? | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
Nobody knows. You don't know if it is a 15-year-old looking for a | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
giggle or a 30 man who is looking to do far different. Police forces are | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
taking this so-called craze seriously, aren't they? They have | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
to. It started off as fun. But on Sunday, and that was arrested aged | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
13, he had a sharp knife with him, we are satisfied it was to scare, | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
but nonetheless it was sinister. It has been taken over by some sinister | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
people, and now nobody knows who is in which camp, but the message now | :45:13. | :45:17. | |
is to say, don't go outside dressed as a clown, because people will take | :45:18. | :45:19. | |
it the wrong way. Mattie, it is no good for your | :45:20. | :45:29. | |
business? It is frightening. It is frightening. It is. When we spend | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
our whole life as clowns trying to make people happy and laugh and | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
these idiots within seconds can ruin everything for a child's | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
imagination, you know. It is very sad. Very sad. And as Charlene said, | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
it could be a kid doing a prank or it could be something more sinister? | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
Yeah. Using your get up to... All led by America and it was all led by | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
Hallowe'en. This is just a phase. It happens every year to a certain | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
extent, but this year it is particularly bad with all the | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
sightings around the country. We are weeks away from Hallowe'en yet. We | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
have got three weeks of this. It is horrible. Horrible. It has put a | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
shockwave through the industry through clowning. It has devastated. | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
What's your message to fake clowns? Well, you know, there is ?1,000 fine | :46:22. | :46:29. | |
if you're doing it in the street and you're dressed up and the police | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
will prosecute. Not for dressing up? Not for dressing up, but | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
for-weeks-olding knives and being aggressive. Vera? Only that you've | :46:39. | :46:46. | |
got it right. It is not, it is no crime in dressing up, but the fear | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
is you might cause harassment, alarm or distress to somebody and that's | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
an offence you can get fined or go to prison for. Of course, most | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
people are not about that and we have had very few serious incidents | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
in Northumbria, we have had a couple of sightings of people dressed as | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
clown, but 13 or 14 offences of the nature that you're talking to | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
describes, so nothing serious. The trouble is the level of worry and | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
the level of concern goes up with every story and a clown who might | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
just be joking becomes a frightening figure. Our cops are going out to | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
schools like Charlene's school took it seriously, not saying that there | :47:29. | :47:32. | |
are great hazards in the streets around you, but just tell all your | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
children, don't dress up like this now, it is not a great idea and if | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
you see anybody and they frighten you, get away, call the police | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
because they will come even if it is a joke, they would rather you were | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
safe than sorry. If it is a joke, it is a complete waste of police time? | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
It is indeed a waste of police time and it is taking up a lot of police | :47:53. | :47:59. | |
time. The message is clear from Northumbria Police, we have | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
neighbourhood cops going around to schools asking headteachers to make | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
announcements, just be sensible. This got into a silly situation and | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
however well-meaning and however you might have spent your pocket money | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
on a clown's outfit in order to have a joke on your best mate, just don't | :48:15. | :48:17. | |
do it because it would be misunderstood and you could scare | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
somebody. Let's just calm it all down and put an end to it. | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
Hallowe'en is great. Do it without putting a mask on. There was an | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
incident in the park which is really close to your house, isn't it? What | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
happened there and how did that affect your 11 and 12-year-olds? | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
Yes, where we live, there is a park directly behind us. Basically there | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
were five individuals dressed as clowns who then proceeded to chase | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
11-year-old children and you know, it's not good of the it is not fair | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
of. It is certainly not funny. It will get to the point where parents | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
will start protecting their kids stopping kids from being scared. You | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
talked about 11 and 12-year-olds being scared which is clearly the | :49:08. | :49:10. | |
case, but there are lots of younger children, four, five,-year-olds who | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
are seeing these who are, you know, ending up having nightmares at | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
night? Some of them aren't sleeping properly. I know that last week | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
there was an individual, a five-year-old girl that I know, and | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
she was absolutely terrified. Simply just to go to sleep in her own home | :49:28. | :49:33. | |
and that's not right. Children shouldn't have that fear. Certainly | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
not to be able to just sleep or go to school or do anything. | :49:39. | :49:46. | |
Matt, as a real clown, as a genuine, legitimate unscary clown, you're | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
here to defend clowns and you've devoted your life to it, why? | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
Because it is a wonderful thing to do. To add laughter to people's | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
lives. Laughter is very cheap and very effective and you know, there | :50:00. | :50:06. | |
is the closest distance between two people as Charlie Chaplin said and | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
it is true. We love to laugh. And clowns are a catalyst to help you | :50:12. | :50:15. | |
laugh, you know. Well, this ain't funny, is it? No, it is not. Thank | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
you very much. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you Vera and Charlene, | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
many thanks. Coming up at 10.15am, | :50:25. | :50:39. | |
we will cross to the press conference on the report | :50:40. | :50:41. | |
into the fatal stabbing of Aberdeen GPs can charge for any work that | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
doesn't come to them via the NHS whether that's sick notes for being | :50:45. | :50:59. | |
off work less than seven days, holiday insurance certificates | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
or a fitness certificate People with mental health issues are | :51:03. | :51:13. | |
being charged for doctor's letters explaining their condition. | :51:14. | :51:14. | |
Sometimes up to ?150. Without it, creditors often press | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
on with enforcement - and debt problems spiral further, | :51:21. | :51:22. | |
according to campaigners. We can speak now to Paul Scates, | :51:23. | :51:31. | |
who has bipolar disorder. He was charged ?100 by his GP | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
for a letter confirming his condition after getting into | :51:37. | :51:40. | |
?60,000 debt. Martin Lewis, Founder of | :51:41. | :51:46. | |
Moneysavingexpert.com. And the Money and Mental | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
Health Policy Institute. It is relatively new? We have been | :51:52. | :52:01. | |
going six or seven months and it is a charity to break the link between | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
mental illness and money and debt problems which is a horrendous | :52:05. | :52:06. | |
epidemic across the country. And from her surgery in Kent, | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
Stephanie de Giorgio, a GP who charges for these forms | :52:10. | :52:11. | |
and all other non-NHS Good morning to you. Thank you for | :52:12. | :52:18. | |
coming on the programme. Paul, first of all, tell our audience a little | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
bit about getting into so much debt. Yeah, I mean, the common thing for a | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
lot of people with mental health difficulties especially when you | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
suffer with the condition that I suffer with, when I'm well and I'm | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
working I'm camable and I'm earning money and able to pay my way, but | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
when I become unwell and I've taken out different loans etcetera, what | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
is has happened is there is no kind of safety net there that you know, | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
so the argument I had was and the reason I had to go to the GP was, I | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
wasn't trying to stop or relinquish my responsibility with the loan that | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
I had, but the interest was accruing at quite a rate on a daily basis and | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
my parents and I were kind of saying to the bank can we put a cap on the | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
interest? Can we just put it where it is at and we'll work out, you | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
know, a payment plan? So they said yes, that's fine, you need to get a | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
letter from your GP, if I had gone to my psychiatrist, I would have got | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
the note for free, but being GPs being private practises, it was | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
explained I had to pay ?100, a lot of people don't have that situation | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
of a family that can afford to pay the ?100 and it stopped the interest | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
being accrued, but it is the people that are on the breadline, ?20 would | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
have too much if you have got no money at all. Can you say that your | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
mental health problems are linked to your inability to manage money? Is | :53:35. | :53:39. | |
that fair? Or not? It was in the past, but now, because I've had a | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
lot of help and a lot of psycho education and I now work with | :53:44. | :53:46. | |
people, so I work within services, I work with people trying to help them | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
understand about their sort of behavioural patterns and spending, | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
but certainly for a lot of people, it is very common. The stats are | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
pretty plain. You are five times more likely to be in debt crisis if | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
you have a mental health condition compared to everybody else. Wow. It | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
feeds those who have mental health issues can have debt triggered on | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
the back of it, depression, anxiety, spending conditions. Those who have | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
debts can have mental health conditions trickered off the back of | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
it and unfortunately it is a nasty vicious relationship. Now, this form | :54:16. | :54:22. | |
is doubt the debt and mental health evidence form, it is important to | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
say two thirds of GPs do not charge even though they can charge. Charges | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
when they do charge, are normally between ?20 and ?50, but as high as | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
?150. I want to give you a couple of examples. We've done research on | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
people who have been charged this. Ian suffered from clinical | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
depression, couldn't open his letters and didn't pay his council | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
tax. It was passed on to a debt collection agency and he went to his | :54:49. | :54:55. | |
GP. I didn't have any money left and until my benefits came in. Jackie, | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
complex mental health conditions. Major issues going on. Took out | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
?30,000 loans, shouldn't have been given the debts, we can do that one | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
another day. Money was difficult to find and it was hard to justify | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
spending what I had on something I wasn't sure would make any | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
difference. I was really stressed and confused. She didn't know if | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
this would work, should I spend the money? Decision making abilities is | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
impaired with mental health. There are NHS forms such as if you see | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
want a council tax reduction, that form will be signed by GPs and they | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
can't charge for it. There are those if you want to go on holiday and be | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
fit to fly and get private medical insurance, they can charge for. Our | :55:36. | :55:42. | |
request is simple, Mind plus Re-think, us plus Step Change have | :55:43. | :55:45. | |
written to the health ministers across the UK saying please can we | :55:46. | :55:53. | |
recategorize this form? The damage, there are people who could have | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
their debts wiped out or frozen and they have had terrible mental health | :55:58. | :55:59. | |
conditions who aren't doing this because of the fear of, because they | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
are being put off because they are being charged and not every GP does | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
it. It is a postcode Lottery. Stop the charge is the name of this | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
campaign. Stephanie, will you stop the charge? Not until it is an NHS | :56:13. | :56:22. | |
service, no. I have massive empathy and sympathy with the people who | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
have accrued debt, but I have a very busy work schedule. I have a massive | :56:28. | :56:34. | |
amount of work. This is a private work issue. That is the same as all | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
of the other notes that we do and I think one of the things that we have | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
to think about here, although I'm very, very clear on what people are | :56:43. | :56:46. | |
saying today, is how do we as GPs different ate one piece of private | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
work from another? How do we different ate between somebody | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
becoming into debt because of a mental health problem and someone | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
coming into debt because of a physical health problem? Are we | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
supposed to judge that one is more deserving of free notes than the | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
other? The other thing is that all private work takes time. And if | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
people want us to do more work privately, for free, then what are | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
we going to stop as GPs to enable us to do that? Can I come in there? In | :57:14. | :57:21. | |
secondary care services, psychiatrists would not charge for | :57:22. | :57:23. | |
that letter. I'm trying towned stand, it is a standard form, this | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
extra colossal amount of work doesn't fit with my experience and | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
Martin's experience as the clients that he mentioned earlier. So I'm | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
perplexed by that answer. I'm not sure why it is confusing. The | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
hospitals actually could charge, they choose not to, but hospitals | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
are in a redifferent situation. We are smaller organisations. We get | :57:50. | :57:56. | |
approximately between 90 and ?136 per patient per year to do | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
everything for those patients. We are also the maximum of our workload | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
in terms of safety, we are possibly past that now. You are asking us to | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
do more work for free. How long does it take to do that form | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
realistically? That form would probably take me up to five minutes, | :58:17. | :58:22. | |
but that five minutes for that piece of private work, why is that more | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
important than five moneys for another piece of private work? All | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
those extra five minutes add up over time. That could cost somebody their | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
mental health which could lead to suicidal thoughts definitely and | :58:35. | :58:37. | |
potentially you could have have a really serious, it will cost more in | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
the long run, that's the stupidity of it. Well, what I would like to | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
say is that the argument you need to have here is with the credit | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
agencies who are asking for GPs to do this. Please stop interrupting | :58:50. | :58:56. | |
me. The credit, if they wish to employ their own doctors to do this, | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
why should a private company expect an NHS GP to provide a service for | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
free? I have a lot of sympathy with your point which is what I was going | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
to say. The problem we have is some GPs charge and some GPs don't and | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
that for me isn't fair and which is why it is for the health ministers | :59:15. | :59:17. | |
to sort this out. However, what I will pick you up on strongly, we | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
spent years lobbying the credit industries, who in some cases are | :59:23. | :59:29. | |
vicious predators to start taking mental health conditions seriously. | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
We got this one form which made it easier for GPs to sign. To start | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
saying we want lenders to get their own doctors. That's a terrible, | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
terrible solution. Right solution is you shouldn't have this choice, it | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
should be an NHS form. We wouldn't have this debate. Some people | :59:47. | :59:52. | |
wouldn't be being charged ?150 when their neighbour at another practise | :59:53. | :59:56. | |
gets it for free. We need consistency, we would save the | :59:57. | :00:01. | |
economy billions of pounds if we sorted out this epidemic and yes, we | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
would save lives and families and save the roof over people's heads | :00:06. | :00:07. | |
and I have sympathy with GPs. We know there are issues in the medical | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
profession about payment, but we have to contrast that ?2030 extra | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
what That a doctor would receive from the cost of the letter to ?20, | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
?30, the average person getting the form have income of under ?100 and | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
they are in debt crisis and they can't afford to pay this and this | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
could give them genuine relief from something that causes them not to | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
sleep, causes them to have more conditions. The average treatment | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
time for someone with clinical depression, who has a debt issue as | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
well is 18 months longer to recover from your clinical depression. This | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
isn't trivial. I respect that doctor's view and it is her choice, | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
but I would like to take the choice away from you. Thank you very much. | :00:49. | :00:53. | |
I appreciate your time, a GP who charges for these forms, but said if | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
they wish we categorised, she would not. We will follow the campaign and | :01:01. | :01:10. | |
see where you get with health ministers, because it is a message | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
to health ministers. There will be more to come, it is here to stay, we | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
want to break the linkage, and there are more stories coming out. The | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
more stories -- research we do, the more stories come out. | :01:25. | :01:33. | |
There you are! We make things so complicated when they could be so | :01:34. | :01:34. | |
simple! It was cold this morning, we had | :01:35. | :01:45. | |
some frost, and we still have fog. We still have fog across central and | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
southern England, down towards the south-west and Wales. A lot of | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
bright skies. All of the thicker cloud in central and eastern areas | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
produces showers, it will drift west, although not all of us will | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
see a shower. It will feel cold in the easterly breeze, despite the | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
fact that temperatures are between nine and 11. This evening and | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
overnight, more cloud than last night. Further showers, still the | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
breeze, temperatures not quite as low. Tomorrow, it will be cloudier | :02:18. | :02:24. | |
than today. Still some rain moving from the west towards the East. | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
Being driven on on the stiff easterly breeze. If you are exposed | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
to it, it will feel nippy. A very quick look at what is happening on | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
Thursday. A windy day for us all. It feels cool in the wind, with further | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
showers to boot. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
welcome to the programme. A child under 15 is married every | :02:46. | :02:57. | |
seven seconds somewhere in the world. We will talk to a woman who | :02:58. | :03:08. | |
was married at nine to an 11-year-old. And a Save the Children | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
ambassador who has been to Ethiopian to investigate. | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
She was promised she would have the chance for an education, but instead | :03:19. | :03:19. | |
she did house chores. Later, we will have an interview | :03:20. | :03:27. | |
with the head of the White Helmets in the Syrian city of Aleppo, | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
and with the MP Andrew Mitchell, who warns that the Russian-backed | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
Assad government is causing They are using incendiary bombs, | :03:34. | :03:54. | |
indiscriminate force from the air, tipping high explosive, tonnes of | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
it, out from 30,000 feet and pulverising innocent civilians. It | :04:00. | :04:00. | |
is completely unacceptable. In a quarter of an hour | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
we will cross to the publication of a report into the fatal stabbing | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
of Aberdeen schoolboy Bailey Gwynne. We will ask, were warning signs | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
missed about his killer? Here's the BBC Newsroom | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
with a summary of today's news. Samsung has told customers | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
around the world to stop using their Galaxy Note 7 | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
smartphones while it investigates a spate of fires | :04:25. | :04:26. | |
in the original handsets, It's also suspended | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
sales of the new phones. According to the company, | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
45,000 Note 7s have been bought across Europe | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
through pre-ordering, Experts say batteries have to | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
undergo extensive testing. We try to pick him as many active | :04:42. | :05:00. | |
materials into the battery, a constrained, small package. To try | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
to make the battery last longer. But they have to undergo rigorous safety | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
convocations to make sure that events like these remain extremely | :05:11. | :05:11. | |
rare. An independent report into the death | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
of a 16-year-old boy who was stabbed at an Aberdeen school is due to be | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
published in the next 15 minutes. Bailey Gwynne was fatally wounded | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
by a fellow pupil during a fight His teenage killer, | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
who is too young to be named, was later jailed for nine years | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
after being found guilty A new three-day walkout has begun | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
on Southern Railway. The dispute over changes to the role | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
of conductors on trains has already caused months | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
of disruption for passengers Southern says it will be running | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
about 60% of its normal timetable. Receptionists quizzing patients | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
about why they need to see their GP could be putting some sick people | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
off visiting their surgery. That's according to a survey | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
by Cancer Research UK in which four in ten of those questioned said | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
they disliked having to discuss their illness | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
with office staff in order The charity says this could be | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
putting people's health at risk, as early diagnosis is key | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
in the fight against cancer. That's a summary of | :06:09. | :06:16. | |
the latest BBC News. Do get in touch with us | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
at the standard network rate. This e-mail, my GP charged me 150 | :06:22. | :06:36. | |
quid for medical checks. Peter said, why are doctors charging anything to | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
help a patient? It is outrageous. Keep them coming in. | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
Here's some sport now with John Watson, and some | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
candid and mature comments from Wayne Rooney after | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
Wayne Rooney says he has no plans to quit international football | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
despite being dropped from England's starting lineup for | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
Interim manager Gareth Southgate believes England's all-time leading | :06:53. | :06:55. | |
goal scorer still has a part to play in the team, | :06:56. | :06:58. | |
and Rooney himself feels he can pass on his experience to younger | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
I have played 13 years nonstop for England, I have given everything. A | :07:02. | :07:17. | |
time comes where the manager, you are not the first name on the team | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
sheet, but it is a chance for other players to come in and try and do | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
well. As far as I am concerned, all I can do is keep working hard and | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
making sure I am ready when needed. It seems everyone has an opinion | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
on the Rooney debate. Wife Coleen said as much, | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
taking to Twitter to say... In the same group, it's also | :07:39. | :07:56. | |
a big night for Scotland, Scotland are in Slovakia, hoping | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
to improve on the disappointing 1-1 draw at home to Lithuania | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
on Saturday. Manager Gordon Strachan | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
says his side are targeting second And, Northern Ireland take | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
on Germany in Hanover tonight, just four months after losing | :08:11. | :08:21. | |
to the world champions Michael O'Neill's side are two | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
points behind the Germans The West Ham ladies team have been | :08:24. | :08:37. | |
told they will receive greater support from the club after being | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
brought into their wider structure. Having been made to warm up | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
alongside a busy road, pay for their own pitch hire and have limited | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
access to the training centre, the club chairman said it amounted to | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
sex discrimination and lodged a complaint with the FA. But now the | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
club have acted and say they will make the women's team at, bigger and | :08:58. | :08:58. | |
stronger. Maria Sharapova made her return | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
to tennis last night, playing in a charity exhibition | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
match in Las Vegas. The Russian is still banned | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
until April after testing positive for meldonium, | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
but was on court last night in two doubles matches to benefit | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
Sir Elton John's Aids Foundation. Sharapova's original | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
two-year ban was reduced by nine months last week | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
by the Court Of It is very special to be back on the | :09:19. | :09:32. | |
court, it has been about seven months since I have played in front | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
of spectators and played in a stadium environment. Very thankful | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
for the invitation, happy to be part of this cause that has been around | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
for 24 years, and it is my first attendance. Thrilled to be part of | :09:46. | :09:46. | |
it. Back with your next update at | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
10:30am. At about 10:15am we are expecting a | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
news conference which will release the official report into a stabbing | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
which led to the death of a pupil at an Aberdeen school. We will cross to | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
that live. A major report by Save The Children | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
has found that one girl under the age of 15 is married | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
every seven seconds. India has the highest number | :10:14. | :10:23. | |
of child marriages of any country, with 47% of girls married under 18, | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
around 24.6 million girls. Let's talk to the Director | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
of Save The Children, Tanya Steel. Also here is one of the ambassadors | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
for the charity who recently visited Ethiopia to visit child | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
brides, Poppy Delevingne. From New York, we're joined | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
by Jaqueline De Chollett, who founded the charity | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
the Veerni Project which educates And finally, from Rajastahan | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
in India is Shobha Dheru, who's 27 but who was married | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
at the age of nine to a boy What is the Every | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
Last Campaign about? Today is the International Day of | :10:58. | :11:10. | |
the goal, we are highlighting where the best and worst places to be a | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
girl in the world are. Shocking statistics around child marriage. As | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
a child bride, you can expect to face violence, rape, and the real | :11:19. | :11:25. | |
possibility of pregnancy at an incredibly young age. This is an age | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
when girls should be in school, building a new future for | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
themselves. Tell us about some of the goals you met. I got back last | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
week. I met a group of girls who were part of a group that Save the | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
Children put together, like an extracurricular club, where they | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
come and get together and talk about all of these problems. They are part | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
of a community where it is not common to talk about sex and these | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
things. They were so articulate and sassy and empowered, it was so | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
wonderful to see. A lot of them had been victims of child marriage, they | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
had been married at 13, one of them, pregnant at 14, so had to put an end | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
to her education, and when she was nine months pregnant she was so | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
badly physically abused by her husband, she left him and went back | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
to her family and had the child and then joined this group, which she | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
says saved her life. I want to introduce you to a young woman, who | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
is 27, she was married at the age of nine to a boy who was 11th. She is | :12:41. | :12:51. | |
in Rajasthan. Can you hear us OK? Can you hear me? Yes, hello. Thank | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
you for talking to us. Can you tell us a little bit about the day that | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
you got married aged nine? My marriage was when I was nine | :13:02. | :13:16. | |
years old. Hello? We can hear you, go ahead. My parents fixed my | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
marriage with that boy, near where we lived. | :13:24. | :13:32. | |
He was totally uneducated, his behaviour was not good. He was | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
hitting me on my first night. Beating due on the first night of | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
your marriage? Yes, and abusing me on my first night. I did not want to | :13:44. | :13:54. | |
live with him. Did you know what was going on that day? Did you think it | :13:55. | :14:04. | |
was a huge family party? Sorry? Did you know what was going on on the | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
day you were getting married? At nine years old? Yes. My family were | :14:12. | :14:24. | |
poor, lower-middle-class, 16 60s, six fixed marriages. We did not know | :14:25. | :14:33. | |
what was happening, we don't understand. We were getting new | :14:34. | :14:46. | |
clothes, so the girls were happy. But after 18, we realised we were | :14:47. | :14:58. | |
married. Now I can understand. But at that time I did not know what was | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
going on. You just thought it was a happy day because family were there | :15:03. | :15:12. | |
and everybody was dressed up. You founded the charity which educate | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
girls in rural India and helped her. We will speak to you in a moment. | :15:17. | :15:23. | |
We're going to cross live to Aberdeen where we are awaiting a | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
news conference which will release a report which looked at the stabbing | :15:31. | :15:33. | |
pf Bailey Gwynne in Aberdeen last year. | :15:34. | :15:42. | |
Good morning everybody. I want to start this morning by | :15:43. | :15:51. | |
paying tribute to the family of Bailey Gwynne. Their profound grief | :15:52. | :15:59. | |
is only matched by their dignity and I would like to thank them for their | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
co-operation into what has been an invasive process of review. As chair | :16:06. | :16:10. | |
of a child protection of a child committee, my daily mantra is it is | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
everybody's job to keep children safe and it is my hope that the | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
outcome of this review will make us all, parents, children, protective | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
agencies and the general public more aware of our need to look out for | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
each other. The aim of the review, when it was commissioned, was to | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
provide independent assurance to partners and to the public that all | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
the circumstances have been reviewed and to make appropriate | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
recommendations which can be applied for future practise. The review | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
commenced on 2nd May. A small team was identified to support me, | :16:49. | :16:56. | |
conologies were prepared by each of the agencies which contained an | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
account of their work with the boys over many years. I conducted in | :17:01. | :17:10. | |
total 42 interviews, some 45 hours of interviews under taken. I placed | :17:11. | :17:18. | |
a notice in the press and journal to advertise the existence of the | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
review and to invite anybody with an interest in this matter to come | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
forward. And there were ten respondents who chose to come | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
forward. That was important to me because I wanted to make sure that I | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
could give you assurance that everybody and everything that needed | :17:37. | :17:44. | |
to be considered would be. I've produced a long report, 17,000 | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
words, and I submitted it to the chief officer's group on 30th | :17:50. | :17:58. | |
September. Now, the review looked at the 28th October in very | :17:59. | :18:04. | |
considerable detail. I undertook a 360 degree consideration of that day | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
as it affected all of the parties and all of the agencies who were | :18:10. | :18:17. | |
engaged in a very considerable effort to save Bailey's life. A | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
history prepared from the conologies enabled me to identify appropriate | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
interviewees and all it is not possible to publish the whole report | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
today, I can confirm that all my conclusions and recommendations are | :18:34. | :18:42. | |
presented here unabridged. My first conclusion is that this was an | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
unplanned, spontaneous conflict that emerged rapidly, very rapidly, out | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
of exceptional banter between schoolboys. It is not considered | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
that it could have been predicted or averted on the day. This is | :18:58. | :19:06. | |
important to understand this event because it all took place in less | :19:07. | :19:12. | |
than five minutes from the meeting of the boys to the intervention of | :19:13. | :19:22. | |
the teacher. My second conclusion was that the course of the conflict | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
was fatally altered by the possession of a bladed weapon by one | :19:27. | :19:36. | |
of these boys. This was potentially predictable and avoidable if those | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
who knew that child A carried weapons in school, had reported this | :19:41. | :19:53. | |
to staff. Several children have testified that they were aware of | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
this fact. The incident on 28th October was well managed as my third | :20:01. | :20:07. | |
conclusion and it is my sincere belief having spoken to everybody | :20:08. | :20:14. | |
from the caretakers to the leader of the council that there was a | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
tremendous effort made on that day and I think it is worth me just | :20:21. | :20:29. | |
saying that the headteacher who can't possibly have imagined what | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
would be before her that day anymore than anyone of us would if something | :20:34. | :20:41. | |
so dreadful would happen to us. Led her staff team and conducted herself | :20:42. | :20:49. | |
in an exemplary fashion on that day. My fourth conclusion takes us back | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
to 2007. I was made aware very early on that there was some thoughts, | :20:57. | :21:06. | |
some speculation that Child A had a history and that history involved an | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
incident in 2007 when he was eight years old. My conclusion is, having | :21:10. | :21:21. | |
looked at that incident in considerable detail, that it had a | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
marginal significance in relation to later events. Child A was a | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
secondary player on this day and the events that transpired. He was not | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
mentioned significantly in the following correspondence. It did not | :21:39. | :21:47. | |
reveal a violent child. But a child under very significant and continual | :21:48. | :21:58. | |
pressure from his brother. This incident was followed by a | :21:59. | :22:05. | |
complaint, the complaintants were supported in their complaint by a | :22:06. | :22:14. | |
local councillor and a member of Parliament, but the complaint became | :22:15. | :22:20. | |
attend uated, stretched out, took a long time, more than two years and | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
in my opinion having considered all the papers and all the | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
correspondence, it did not receive a satisfactory outcome. And I have | :22:29. | :22:38. | |
some conclusions that are not specific to the day, but I want to | :22:39. | :22:46. | |
record. Conclusion six, the work to develop ab-Aberdeen City Council | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
knife crime strategy involve parents and pupils and police is noted by | :22:50. | :22:59. | |
the reviewer and welcomed. Conclusion seven, stripped of | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
context reads rather awkwardly, but the redaction of names in the NHS | :23:05. | :23:12. | |
chronologies left some unresolvable ambiguities. NHS Grampian sought | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
consent for record sharing from one significant actor but this was | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
legitimately denied by him. I don't believe that had any significant | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
impact on the conclusions that I have reached, but it was appropriate | :23:32. | :23:37. | |
to mention it because as I say, I was unable to resolve one or two | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
matters. Conclusion eight, the move to develop a city focussed chief | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
officers group for public protection is supported and this essentially | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
describes the process whereby having had a pan Grampian group across | :23:57. | :24:05. | |
Aberdeen to look at these matters in recent times, Aberdeen City specific | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
chief officers group has been established, chaired by Angela and | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
the representations are before you here today. To me, that gives a much | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
tighter accountability and it is welcomed. I turn now to my | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
recommendations. Before I give you recommendation one, I just want to | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
stress that children and young people must be the key to the | :24:31. | :24:38. | |
solution to knife crime in schools. Rights should always be balanced | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
with obligations and a theme will underpin the recommendations is a | :24:44. | :24:45. | |
sense of obligation that children and their parents owe to themselves | :24:46. | :24:51. | |
and their community. This is an important feature of getting it | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
right for every child in Scotland. This sense that we all have to play | :24:56. | :25:03. | |
our part. My first recommendation is that all parents should receive a | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
letter from school at the beginning of year S1 received year. The letter | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
will set out the school rules and expectations of the school with | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
regard to weapons. The letter will be signed and returned to the | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
school. I have seen this in practise in other jurisdictions and I believe | :25:24. | :25:32. | |
it offers a means of a modest contract between the child, the | :25:33. | :25:39. | |
parent and the school that will enable a greater awareness of just | :25:40. | :25:48. | |
how important these matters are. My second recommendation is that | :25:49. | :25:54. | |
children be at the centre of these reforms and pupil forums and pupil | :25:55. | :26:02. | |
councils be established to develop safe practise to share their | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
knowledge of weapons with teaching staff. This was a critical matter in | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
these events and so often it is and we know as adults how we are nervous | :26:11. | :26:20. | |
about disclosing information and whatever phrase you want to apply on | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
a friend, particularly if you don't think that friend has any malign | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
intent, he is just showing off a little bit. We can't afford to have | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
that belief in our children and in our schools. We must be vigilant and | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
they must be vigilant. My third recommendation is that Police | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
Scotland must be notified of each and every incident of carrying | :26:50. | :26:52. | |
weapons in the school or in the community of which the school | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
becomes aware. Now, that may seem obvious, but if you think about it, | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
there is many reasons why a headteacher may not choose to notify | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
the police. It was just a minor ins didn't, we don't want to criminalise | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
our children, we have our reputation to consider as a school, whatever | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
those reasons are, we need to make sure that we trump them with a very | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
clear expectation that the police be notified and let the police make | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
those judgements. Recommendation four is that every | :27:30. | :27:33. | |
ins didn't will be recorded by the school immediately following an | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
allegation or an incident and their managers notified. | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
Aberdeen City Council should work with Police Scotland to establish a | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
clear and effective policy on the management of offensive weapons in | :27:48. | :27:56. | |
school with partners. Recommendation six in accordance with the law of | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
Scotland, searches must be made with pupils consent, the headteacher or | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
her nominee should undertake searches of pupils where consent is | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
given. Where this is not possible, police must be called if there are | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
grounds to suggest that the child or young person is carrying a knife or | :28:15. | :28:23. | |
other offensive weapon. Recommendation seven, a specific | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
search and confiscation protocol should be established as part of | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
their weapons knife crime strategy currently under development. We have | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
to think about how we deal with these situations. You will see have | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
seen in the press in Aberdeenshire earlier this year that a number of | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
since the 28th October, a number of incidents of children in possession | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
with knives in schools have been revealed. We need to know how we're | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
going to respond. I mean, you have been very clear about that and quite | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
confident having attended an event with headteachers and Police | :29:03. | :29:10. | |
Scotland that that work is underway. Recommendation eight is that | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
individual risk assessments should be completed on all individuals | :29:15. | :29:18. | |
known or suspected to carry offensive weapons. Let's leave | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
Andrew Lowe, he is the report author. He carried out an | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
independent report into the fatal stabbing of the Aberdeen schoolboy, | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
Bailey Gwynne. Just a year ago now. His conclusions really that what | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
happened was unplanned, it was a spontaneous conflict that escalated | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
rapidly. It took place, he said, in less than five minutes. And it | :29:44. | :29:47. | |
couldn't have been predicted. Or averted, he said, on the day. He | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
said the course of the conflict, this row over a biscuit between the | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
two pupils was fatally altered by the fact that Child A possessed a | :29:57. | :30:01. | |
knife and that was avoidable and predictable, the fact that Child A | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
had a knife because there were children at the school who knew that | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
he had this knife, but they hadn't felt able to report it to staff. And | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
his recommendations include the fact that headteachers with the con isn't | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
of their pupils should be able to search pupils for weapons and other | :30:17. | :30:18. | |
things about parents getting letters at start of term, a contract | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
effectively to sign when it comes to weapon rules, with regarding rules | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
in schools and that there should be a knife strategy between the police | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
and the council, but the main recommendation that headteachers | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
should be able to instigate searches of pupils with the pupil's consent | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
when it comes to looking for weapons. | :30:38. | :30:42. | |
More reaction to come through the morning. We will return to our | :30:43. | :30:52. | |
conversation about the number of very young girls that get married | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
somewhere around the world, and according to Save the Children, | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
because of the report they have done, it means that one girl under | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
15 is married every seven seconds, which is a really alarming | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
statistic. We have got the director of Save the Children here. Also | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
here, one of the charity's ambassadors. From New York, we are | :31:18. | :31:24. | |
joined by the founder of a charity which educate girls in rural India. | :31:25. | :31:31. | |
We spoke earlier to a woman in Rajasthan, who was married at the | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
age of nine to a boy who was in heaven, she told us about being | :31:38. | :31:39. | |
beaten on her first night of marriage by this point -- a boy who | :31:40. | :31:49. | |
was 11. She had no idea what was about to befall her. You've visited | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
Ethiopian, we played the film earlier, we will play a clip now. | :31:57. | :32:22. | |
So I spent my afternoon with the lovely Salaam, | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
When she was just 13 years old, she was married. | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
And by the time she was 14 she was pregnant with her first child. | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
But when she was nine months pregnant, she left her husband | :32:33. | :32:34. | |
as he was physically abusive, and moved back in with her family. | :32:35. | :32:37. | |
But not only that, when she was engaged to him | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
he promised her that she would still have an opportunity | :32:41. | :32:42. | |
to have an education, something that he totally | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
And, instead, she did house chores and had to work unbearable hours, | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
something that a 13-year-old really shouldn't have to do. | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
One of the things that struck a chord was when she said that she met | :32:53. | :33:00. | |
her husband on her wedding day, and not only that, she said how | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
confusing it was, everyone around her was celebrating and drinking | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
until dawn, yet she felt like it was the end of her life. It did not make | :33:10. | :33:15. | |
any sense to her. When she said that, that really hit home. Tell our | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
British audience about your charity and what your name is. The aim is to | :33:22. | :33:29. | |
educate girls in secondary school. It is not available for them in most | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
parts of the world, they live in scattered villages, primary school | :33:34. | :33:40. | |
is not universal, but secondary school is not. They often have to | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
walk several miles across the desert, we would not let our | :33:46. | :33:49. | |
daughters do that, the parents are too scared. In the view of the | :33:50. | :33:55. | |
villages, girls are for marriage, not for education. They used to say | :33:56. | :33:59. | |
that educating a girl was watering your neighbour's Golden, because she | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
went off and you never saw her again. Secondary education is the | :34:04. | :34:10. | |
most transformative, important thing in a girl's life. It will allow her | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
to make her own decisions. We talk about empowerment, what does it | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
mean? Making your own life choices. This is denied to most of those | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
girls. By keeping them in school, you are delaying, even if they are | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
child rights, the age at which they will join their husbands. They will | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
not go at 14 or 18, because now they are going into higher education. 90% | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
of the girls we have educated have gone into higher education. One girl | :34:44. | :34:52. | |
graduated, she went to a college, funded by an American journalist, | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
she did not join her husband until she was 21. We got's Whittaker to | :34:58. | :35:08. | |
the law courts to tell her story. When she left her husband, they | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
would not listen to her in the police, but she remembered the law | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
courts, she got an advocate and went back to the police are and they | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
registered what happened. Eventually, she got a divorce. In a | :35:23. | :35:28. | |
lot of the cases of the goals we have, we are hoping that their | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
marriage may be cancelled, or at least they been -- they may be | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
married to boys who are more educated. It is hard to cancel | :35:41. | :35:46. | |
marriages. The laws against child marriage are not applied. It is up | :35:47. | :35:54. | |
to the organisations in the villages, which are informal, to | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
decide if those marriages can be annulled. We have re-established the | :35:58. | :36:05. | |
contact, why did you choose to divorce your husband? | :36:06. | :36:17. | |
Why did I choose to divorce my husband? Yes. He is totally | :36:18. | :36:27. | |
uneducated. He is not understanding me. He is abusing me and hitting me | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
all the time. I want to say something, but he does not | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
understand my thinking. He is totally uneducated, he does not | :36:41. | :36:48. | |
understand the meaning is of marriage and wife. In terms of the | :36:49. | :36:55. | |
statistics, because they are so unbelievably shocking, do you think | :36:56. | :37:03. | |
you can change that? I think we can. If anything, we are concerned the | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
numbers are set to rise. There has been a big world commitment to bring | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
down the rate of child marriage. We know it can, through education. Many | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
fathers marry off their daughters because they feel they have no | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
futures, whereas if they have chances to go to school and complete | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
school, the world opens up to them. There is also something about | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
tackling some of the social norms and sitting down and talking to | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
communities and fathers. When they understand the risks that face their | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
children and their daughters, not least in terms of the possibilities | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
around domestic abuse, and the real likelihood of death in childbirth or | :37:43. | :37:49. | |
worse, they do start to reconsider. It is a combination of the law, and | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
in many countries being a child bride is illegal under 18, but it is | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
about a commitment to ensure that the social norms and education are | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
tackled, and very quickly indeed. What success has your project had? | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
All of the girls are staying in school. They are not only completing | :38:14. | :38:24. | |
their secondary education, they are going on to higher education. That | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
beads even if they join their husbands, it is delayed until at | :38:30. | :38:36. | |
least 21. You are talking about the fathers, but I think the mothers are | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
the ones who are being very brave in our case. We took parents to see | :38:40. | :38:48. | |
this facility, to show that they would be safe, because safety is a | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
major issue. The mothers were the ones who wanted their daughters not | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
to have the same fate as them. In many cases. I celebrate the mothers | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
in those villages, they went against their community in many ways. It is | :39:04. | :39:08. | |
a problem of poverty, it is a problem of dowries, illiteracy, and | :39:09. | :39:18. | |
it will not change overnight. You can say is is illegal, but it will | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
not stop them doing it. The sustainable goals of the UN have | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
said that by 2030 secondary education has to be universal, but | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
that is another generation of girls who may not be educated. We have to | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
fight for secondary education, that is the most important think we need | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
to do. There is no social transformation without the education | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
of women. How can they participate in a democracy if they are | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
illiterate? That is what we have to fight for, education. After your | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
visit to Ethiopia, that is something worth fighting for. Absolutely. It | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
was quite remarkable when I saw these girls get together, in the way | :40:05. | :40:11. | |
that they communicate, protect each other, it was really heartening to | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
see that, and the way they felt that they were passionate, that none of | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
them want to be victims of child marriage. I went away feeling like | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
something will happen, and progress is being made. Some messages from | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
people watching you discuss this. Vivian says, educating girls is the | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
key to breaking the cycle, that is why foreign aid is so important. If | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
you educate a woman, you educate the family. One person says, if we give | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
education and employment to girls in the world, it would have a juice or | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
completely control child marriage or the number of child bride. This | :40:56. | :41:01. | |
text, 24.6 million girls have to bow to the will of their husband in | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
India alone, this is the abuse and enslavement of millions of women. | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
One person says, I am shocked that children are put through this, a | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
marriage should be a joyous, the union, and above all consenting by | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
both parties. It is shameful that it is still happening. A long way to | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
go, but is their progress? There is, but there is a lot more to do. As | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
Person of the messages, marriage should be one of the happiest days | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
of a girl and a boy's life, and education is the key. | :41:36. | :42:00. | |
Samsung have suspended global sales of their new phone, because of | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
reports of them catching fire. Let's find out more | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
about what this means for Samsung. Dan Worth is the Deputy Editor | :42:10. | :42:11. | |
for the tech website V3. How bad is it for Samsung, and for | :42:12. | :42:26. | |
customers? For Samsung it is disastrous, this is one of their big | :42:27. | :42:29. | |
flagship phones that they have been promoting for some time. It happens | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
once, the phones catch on fire, terrible publicity, they reissue a | :42:34. | :42:39. | |
new one, it is happening again. It does not get any worse than that. | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
That is the bit that people cannot understand, they took everything | :42:45. | :42:46. | |
back, they thought they had sorted it. You would test that product | :42:47. | :42:52. | |
again before you said it was OK. That is the bit that does not make | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
sense. It is hard to understand how it happened. People said they rushed | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
the first phones out to beat Apple to market. But how it has happened a | :43:02. | :43:08. | |
second time, maybe they are rushing it to keep their customers loyal. | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
But again, it seems to have backfired. It will be interesting to | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
see what comes out in their own internal testing, because it is | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
unbelievable it has happened twice. If you are a customer, you need a | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
phone. You are not going to hang around. If you have one, you should | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
get rid of it. One of them caught fire on a plane, imagine that in the | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
sky. They have been lucky that nobody has been seriously injured or | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
worse by one of these phones. Most retailers or operators will offer | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
exchange programmes for other devices. EE said they would offer | :43:49. | :43:55. | |
other devices. It is not worth the risk. | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
You will expect some kind of refund, presumably, will that happen? Yes, | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
if you take the phone back, rather than getting another one, they will | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
give you an equivalent device either from Samsung or another manufacturer | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
like the iPhone or similar. It would be equivalent cash value. If it is | :44:23. | :44:27. | |
?50 cheaper, you have to pay an additional ?50. That will vary from | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
customer to customer, and I am sure we will hear good experiences and | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
bad experiences, but no matter how much you want that phone, it is a | :44:36. | :44:41. | |
serious risk. They are stopping production, that shows how bad they | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
know this is. If you have been a customer, are you going to give them | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
another chance? That is the big worry. They were touting the loyalty | :44:52. | :45:04. | |
of their customers, whether they will get a second time around | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
remains to be seen. A lot of people who have had these exploding phones, | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
some of them said, they have gone to Apple now. Samsung are massive, they | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
are the only company that have managed to match Apple in the | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
smartphone market. They won't disappear because of this, but it | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
will be interesting to see how they can retain the global presence of | :45:26. | :45:32. | |
being Apple's main rival. The other problem, this past week Google has | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
entered the smartphone market. That is a major brand going head-to-head | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
with Apple and Samsung, and the timing for Samsung is disastrous, it | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
could not have come at a worse time. Why are the phones catching fire? | :45:44. | :45:53. | |
Well, that's the billion dollar question. If Samsung knew that, we | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
wouldn't be in this situation. It is something to do with the battery. | :46:00. | :46:06. | |
There is a lot of components and any tiny bit of overheating will set | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
something off and you have got a brick of fire in a plane, in your | :46:11. | :46:22. | |
car, in your home. Thank you very much, Dan. | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
Samsung have issued the following statement, | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
"Because consumers' safety remains our top priority, | :46:30. | :46:31. | |
Samsung will ask all carrier and retail partners globally to stop | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
sales and exchanges of the Galaxy Note 7 | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
while the investigation is taking place. | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
Consumers with either an original Galaxy Note 7 or replacement | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
Galaxy Note 7 device should power down and stop using the device." | :46:42. | :46:50. | |
When airstrikes hit rebel-held parts of Syria, a group of 3,000 civilian | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
volunteers are usually the first on the scene. | :46:55. | :47:01. | |
The White Helmets, or the Syrian Civil Defence, | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
to give them their official title, act as first responders | :47:06. | :47:08. | |
in the Syrian civil war, which is now into its sixth year. | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
At extraordinary risk to their own lives, and unpaid, | :47:15. | :47:16. | |
the White Helmets carry out search-and-rescue operations | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
to save as many people as they possibly can. | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
And things aren't getting any easier. | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
In the last week, the UN special envoy for Syria warned | :47:28. | :47:29. | |
that the whole of rebel-held eastern Aleppo could be destroyed | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
by Christmas if the Russian-backed bombing | :47:35. | :47:35. | |
A little earlier, I spoke to Ammar Al-Sakmo, who's head | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
of the White Helmets in Aleppo, and began by asking him | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
The White Helmets are volunteers that risk their lives in order to | :47:46. | :48:03. | |
save others. They risk their lives to save others and we actually also | :48:04. | :48:15. | |
make these decisions because you are exposed to being attacked. So Civil | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
Defence are Syrians, give the services to the Syrians in order to | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
survive. So when bombs fall on Aleppo, you | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
are sometimes the first people on the scene to try and save your | :48:33. | :48:41. | |
fellow Syrians? Actually, yes, we are the first responders and we are | :48:42. | :48:53. | |
the first to reach the place and get them out of the rubble and give them | :48:54. | :49:02. | |
First Aid. For those who have a chronic illness, they suffer a lot. | :49:03. | :49:12. | |
Yesterday kids died because there is a lack of milk. The siege has been | :49:13. | :49:24. | |
going on for 100 days. This situation makes the atmosphere like | :49:25. | :49:26. | |
hell because there is no hope. MPs will hold an emergency debate | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
this afternoon on the worsening Earlier I spoke to Conservative MP, | :49:33. | :49:34. | |
and former cabinet minister for International Development, | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
Andrew Mitchell, who's He's likened Russia's actions | :49:41. | :49:41. | |
in Syria to that of the Nazis bombing of civilians | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
in Spain in the 1930s. I asked him how desperate | :49:46. | :49:47. | |
the situation was now in Aleppo. Aleppo was one of the great cities | :49:48. | :49:59. | |
of the world. It has been there for 6,000 years, two million people. | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
Today, it is largely rubble. The Russian Air Force has been pounding | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
hospitals. Last week they wiped out a hospital that is largely | :50:10. | :50:16. | |
underground. They used bunker bombs, bunker-busting bombs and they used | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
cluster bombs which are specifically aimed at blowing off the limbs of | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
people. From a population of two million, Aleppo now has less than | :50:26. | :50:33. | |
250,000 people, most of whom are cowering in the cellars and | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
underground waiting for the next Russian attack to be visited upon | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
them. You will know the Syrians, the Russians, say that they are | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
attacking an extremist in the city? The Russian Air Force are attacking | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
innocent civilians. There is indiscriminate bombing. Bombing a | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
hospital is a war crime. The whole Russian action in Aleppo is a breach | :50:58. | :51:01. | |
of international humanitarian law. And what the Russians are doing is | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
they are using their privileged position as a member, permanent | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
member of the United Nations Security Council, to push over | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
international humanitarian law and conventions that we all thought were | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
here to stay. They're doing to the United Nations exactly what the | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
Germans and the Italians did to the League of Nations in the 1930s and | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
if we don't stop it, if we don't persuade the international community | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
to find the strength to confront what Russia is doing then the | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
consequences for our generation and for international order will be very | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
serious indeed. You have compared the Russians to | :51:39. | :51:45. | |
the Nazis. What the Russianses doing on Aleppo is very similar to what | :51:46. | :51:51. | |
the Nazis did during the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. They are | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
using indennedry bombs, indiscriminate force from the air, | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
tipping high explosive, tonnes of it out from 30,000 feet and pulverising | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
innocent civilians and it is completely unacceptable. | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
And everybody know that is and the international community has tried to | :52:10. | :52:13. | |
find the strength, as you put t to stop them and has failed? The | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
international community with a great deal of effort, embraced the | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
responsibility to protect the doctrine R 2 P just after the | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
millennium and what the R 2 P said we will never again allow the | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
slaughter that took place in Rwanda, the Bosnia and Srebrenica to take | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
place, we will put that behind us and embrace the doctrine of | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
protecting innocent civilians. That don't trick has been shredded today | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
and the international community face a very stark choice - are they going | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
to confront this or are they just going to wring their hands and look | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
the other way and it will continue? It is the later. It is happening. It | :52:56. | :53:01. | |
is the later. Well sh there are signs that civil society as a head | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
of politicians, we have seen polling taken today across Europe that That | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
the majority of people by a significant level, are in favour of | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
no-fly zones and safe havens and protections for civilians. I think | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
opinion is changing. We have seen the United Nations | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
Secretary-General, Ban Ki-Moon call for the Russians to be referred to | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
the international court. We have seen strong words from Francois | :53:30. | :53:32. | |
Hollande about the actions of Russia. Let's hope that Russia is | :53:33. | :53:40. | |
being seen for the pariah state that it is. President Putin doesn't care | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
about the words of Francois Hollande, and Ban Ki-Moon, when you | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
say confront, what do you mean? I think there has been a perfect storm | :53:51. | :53:56. | |
on this. Europe has been facing inwards worrying about Brexit, | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
worrying about Greece, German banks and so forth and America, of course, | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
is convulsed in this extraordinary election and it is unable to look | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
outwards. The Russians have taken advantage of international confusion | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
and attention elsewhere... What does confront mean? Confront means making | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
it clear to the Russians that they cannot carry out the breaches of | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
international humanitarian law zmrflt so more strong words and | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
perhaps a referral to the International Criminal Court with | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
respect, big deal. It is not going to stop President Putin. They can | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
see that militarily they're winning? They're not winning because there | :54:32. | :54:34. | |
won't be a military victory in Syria. How do you know? Because we | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
have seen what happened for the last five years. No side is going to win | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
clean in Syria. You maybe right, but it would seem that President Assad | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
and President Putin are prepared to continue for years, if that's what | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
it takes, pounding Syrian citizens? I think that if the international | :54:55. | :54:59. | |
community now accepts it has a responsibility to protect and looks | :55:00. | :55:05. | |
at no-fly zones and safe havens, John Major when he was Prime | :55:06. | :55:08. | |
Minister led the world in securing a safe haven and a no-fly zone in | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
northern Iraq to protect innocent civilians who lived there. If the | :55:14. | :55:17. | |
world can find that strength, if Britain using its convening power | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
through the United Nations, through our presence as a major European | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
state, through Nato, can use that power to try and get a collective | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
opinion and will to take action then I think we can make progress. After | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
all there, is going to end at some point. We just ought to do | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
everything we can to ensure that it ends before yet more innocent | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
civilians in Aleppo and more widely in Syria are murdered by the Russian | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
regime. You have called for a debate in the Commons about this. What | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
would be the point of that? I think it is for members of Parliament to | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
reflect the views of civil society, their own views, to the Government | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
on what now needs to happen. It is a chance for all of us to put to the | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
Government some questions, some ideas, some actions that Britain can | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
take. After all, Britain has a strong leadership position in the | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
world. We are engaged as one of the permanent five members in the United | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
Nations, we're one of the leading European powers, we are a leading | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
power in Nato. We need to bring to bear all the influence that we can | :56:18. | :56:21. | |
through our diplomatic networks and other arrangements too to try and | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
see whether we can forge together an international will to take action on | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
this. And I think Parliament this afternoon, will reflect the urgency | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
that many people in civil society, throughout Britain and elsewhere in | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
the world feel about the catastrophe, the worst of our | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
century so far, the shredding of international humanitarian law that | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
is going on today and a requirement for action. | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
Will Theresa May listen? Sorry, she will listen, will she deliver? Will | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
she do anything? Theresa May is extremely concerned by what is | :56:55. | :56:57. | |
happening in Syria. I've talked to her about the situation very shortly | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
after she became Prime Minister. I think she is acutely aware of the | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
massive loss of life and the humanitarian catastrophe. Is she do | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
anything? I'm certain that Theresa May will want Britain to put its | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
shoulder to the wheel in the way that you've described to galvanise | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
international opinion to take action. | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
Andrew Mitchell, Conservative MP and former international development | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
secretary. Thaw for your messages. Here are people who got in touch to | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
say they were charged. Lee said, "I applied for a shotgun licence. Part | :57:35. | :57:44. | |
of the process doctor's letter. I was not asked to pay anything. The | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
fact that a student who is ill and needed more time to submit | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
coursework was charged ?15, well I wasn't charged for something that is | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
not essential is ludicrous." Anni aession says, "My son was charged | :57:59. | :58:04. | |
?25 for a doctor's letter with regards to his depression and | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
anxiety. The letter was required by the university. No mention of a | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
charge was made until after the letter was requested." Andrew says, | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
"Most intelligent know the difference between a real clown and | :58:19. | :58:25. | |
someone wearing a cheap mask. A lot of it is social media and media | :58:26. | :58:28. | |
infused. Join Andrew Marr as he reads | :58:29. | :58:45. | |
into the books we love | :58:46. | :58:47. |