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On the programme today - more support for struggling

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families, funds to build affordable homes, a rise in the minimum

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wage for people over 25, and reforms to Universal Credit

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are all expected to be announced when the chancellor

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I'm outside the Treasury where Philip Hammond is seeking to

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fend-off Theresa May as she seeks to flash the cash for struggling

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families. He is warning of a possible Brexit black hole and

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ballooning borrowing. Also on the programme -

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in an exclusive interview on this programme the husband of teacher

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Ann Maguire who was murdered by a pupil in Leeds tells us

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he thinks not enough lessons have And other teachers lives

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could still be at risk. And following our exclusive

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interview with former footballer Andy Woodward who revealed he'd been

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abused for years and raped hundreds of times by a former youth coach,

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two other players have waived their right to anonymity

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to detail the abuse It started from touching and then

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developed more and more with the sexual abuse and the threats of

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violence towards your family really if you were to breathe a word to

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anybody. Lots of coverage today -

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as you'd expect on the Chancellor's But also we'll be

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looking at the alt-right and the influence they

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have on Donald Trump - he's now distanced himself

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from some elements. As always do get in touch

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on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

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is expected to announce plans to build more affordable homes,

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increase the National Living Wage and ban letting agent fees

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in England, when he makes his first The Chancellor will also unveil

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forecasts which are expected to show Mr Hammond has warned

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of "turbulence" and "an unprecedented level of uncertainty"

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as the UK leaves the EU. Our Political Correspondent

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Eleanor Garnier reports. It is his first Autumn

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Statement as Chancellor. Philip Hammond's moment to set out

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the Government's tax His challenge, to help cash-strapped

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households and at the same time tackle what he thinks

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is a troubled economic outlook. The Chancellor is going to have

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to respond to two things. One is a huge amount of uncertainty

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about the direction of the economy. He is going to have to make

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decisions not really knowing But one thing we can be sure

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of is that the forecast for the economy will have got quite

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a lot worse since the Budget and therefore, he is going to be

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borrowing more than George So what do we know will

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definitely come up? Well, the new rate for the National

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Living Wage will be ?7.50 That is an increase

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of full-time staff of the 25. There is new investment for housing

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in England and Wales, ?1.4 billion by 2020 to build

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an additional 40,000 And changes to Universal Credit

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will mean millions of people will be able to keep a little more

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of their benefits as They are all policies designed

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to meet the Prime Minister's promise to support families

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who are just about managing. The Chancellor has admitted the UK's

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debt is eye wateringly the large The Chancellor has admitted the UK's

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debt is eye wateringly large and with Brexit on the horizon

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he is planning for an economy he says needs to be watertight

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to cope with sharp challenges ahead. Our Political Guru Norman Smith

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is in Downing Street. Has there been a tussle between

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Number Ten and number 11? This is the story of a showdown between the

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guy in there and the woman in there because the guy in there, Philip

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Hammond, is looking at the books and is saying, "Oh boy, there is no

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money. ." The projections are that borrowing could be more than ?1

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money billion more by 2020 to reach a record level, the deficit drags on

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into the 2020s and growth will be downgraded so he is saying to

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Theresa May, hang on, hang on. There is no cash. She is saying "Wait a

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moment, I promised to help people who are struggling, those who are

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just getting by, you have got to do something, we have to deliver."

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That's why there will be help for easing some of the benefit pain, a

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rise to in the national Living Wage and extra support to help people get

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into housing, but you sense it's going to be cautious. It's going to

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be careful. It's going to be constrained. There will be little

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bits and pieces for those who are just managing, but it is pall going

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to be a little bit incy bitsy. There won't be massive amounts of money to

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throw around. Annita is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Donald Trump has condemned

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the fringe "alt-right" group that celebrated his election win

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with Nazi salutes. Mr Trump said he does not

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want to "energize" the group, which includes neo-Nazis,

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white supremacists and anti-Semites. Alt-right supporters were filmed

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on Saturday in Washington DC cheering as a speaker

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shouted "Hail Trump." The chairman of a committee looking

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into the collapse of BHS has asked The chairman of Crewe

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Alexandra football club - has confirmed that it's looking

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into historic allegations of abuse - It follows the decision

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by the former Crewe Alexandra player, Andy Woodward,

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to speak on this programme out about the abuse he suffered

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at the hands of Barry Bennell, A second man has come

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forward to say he too had The Crewe chairman, John Bowler,

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told the BBC's Sports Editor, Dan Roan, that his thoughts

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were with the victims. We are understandably

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distressed by the Looking back is there

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anything you could have When we've done our enquiries

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and have looked into the detail of various

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accusations and we have considered them all, then I

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will be in a position to answer The chairman of a committee looking

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into the collapse of BHS has asked the pensions regulator

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whether assets can be seized from its former

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owner, Sir Philip Green. Labour MP Frank Field has asked

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whether the BHS pensions hole could be plugged by

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assets other than cash. Sir Philip's assets include

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a ?100 million super yacht. Pathology departments in NHS

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hospitals are struggling to cope with the rising number of cancer

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patients being sent for tests, Cancer Research UK says record

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levels of referrals aren't The Government says it's

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investing in services. Here's our health correspondent

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Dominic Hughes. Blood tests and biopsies analysed

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by pathologists are a vital tool in diagnosing cancer,

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and an early diagnosis is the key But now a major charity is warning

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that services are struggling to cope We think that the pathology services

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across the UK are at a tipping point, but wider cancer tests

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are really struggling, and we have seen that cancer waiting

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times are getting worse, so we really need action to be taken

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now to make sure that people get the right tests

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that they need on time. A growing and ageing population

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means of rising demand In 2014 there were more than 350,000

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new cases for cancer in the UK. Pathology labs have seen demand

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for tests increase by more than 4% on average and it is not just

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cancer that is affected. Up to 70% of health decisions

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in the NHS involves Pathology services at the moment

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are certainly at full stretch and there is very

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little capacity left. But I think the real problem is that

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with the number of people with cancer increasing as we go on,

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that the demand on pathology So it is vital that we act quickly

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to make sure that we have got pathologists in place to diagnose

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those cancers and make sure that patients get the early

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diagnosis that they need. Across the UK, the NHS is trying

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to improve the early detection Today's report warns that goal

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will be missed if pathologists find A police officer has been stabbed

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while on duty in East London. The man was in plain clothes

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when he was attacked He's in hospital with non-life

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threatening injuries. A man's been arrested on suspicion

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of attempted murder. A 72-year-old woman has been injured

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in a drive-by shooting in Liverpool. She was standing in the doorway

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of a house in the Netherley area when she was attacked

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by a gunman riding a motorbike. Merseyside Police say the woman

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is in a stable condition in hospital US President Barack Obama has

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awarded his last Presidential Medals of Freedom to a host of America's

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most famous faces. The medals are the highest civilian

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honour in the United States. Among the 21 recipients

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were Tom Hanks, Robert De Niro, Mr Obama made a special

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tribute to comedian Ellen DeGeneres for her influence

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on the gay rights movement. That's a summary of

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the latest BBC News. Let's get some sport

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from Leah Boleto. Mixed emotions for British sides

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in the Champions League last night. Yes, we know that Leicester City are

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through, but let's start with Spurs. They are out basically. Their dream

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is over. They needed a draw or a win against Monaco. It ended 1-1 in the

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first-half. It was in the second half where we got this flurry of

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goals where it got really exciting. Monaco really dominated the Spurs

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defence. There wasn't much pressure from them which a lot of fans were

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really upset. They were outclassed and the moment that Monaco were

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waiting for. This fantastic cross and then a header. You can't really

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stop that. It was fantastic. Spurs did try to get back level on this

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penalty with Harry Kane. But it lasted all of 39 seconds before they

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were back, Monaco were back on the score sheet and it finished 2-1.

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England rugby-union coach Eddie Jones has named his side

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to play Argentina at the weekend, and last week's man

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Yes, it is a shame. He was man of the match against Fiji and he scored

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two tries which is really unexpected for him to not play against

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Argentina. This is the second time that he has been dropped after a

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test appearance that. One that we will be keeping close eyes across.

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And, Scotland's women curlers are going well at the European

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Yes, they beat Germany 8-6 yesterday and they finished high enough in the

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group to qualify for next year's World Championships. Scotland are

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ution the yellow balls there. A great run for them and one we will

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be keeping a very, very close eye on. Cheers, thank you for now. Thank

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you. Two more footballers have

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waived their right to anonymity to reveal the abuse they suffered

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at the hands of a youth coach. The story has emerged

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following our exclusive interview with former Crewe Alexandra

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player Andy Woodward, who told us last week he'd been

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raped hundreds of times by his youth Andy spoke to us again yesterday

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and said he'd heard from six players who've since told him they too

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have experienced abuse. I have been inundated with from

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other players who told me, you know, so many stories that are

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heartbreaking and I have been so emotional over the last days, but I

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mean, they are so harrowing stories and they've reached out to me and

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thanked me so much for coming out originally, you know, it has given

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that faith. You have spoken to six, but as you say, other contact via

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Twitter. In total, how many people do you think have got in touch with

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you since your interview? I think there has been gosh, there is

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several people that have contacted me - I can't put a number on it

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really. They vary really in what they have said. Are they all

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footballers? Yes, they are ex-footballers, yes. Did they say to

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you that they found the courage to speak out because you had?

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Absolutely. That's what they have said. Because of what I have said

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has given them that courage and they belief and that strength to actually

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come out and say it. Cheshire Police now say they are investigating. Is

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this the tip of the iceberg, do you think? I've said it all along, it is

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the tip of the iceberg. However, some people, it is going to take a

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long time for them to come out or to speak, you know, there is no rush.

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The police have started their investigation and I don't want to

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put any pressure on anybody, you know, I came out with it a long view

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to other people to survive from this and I can't thank the public enough

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for what they've done, you know, it's brilliant. I can't thank them

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for their support they're giving me. Andy told us he was disappointed

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that Crewe hadn't spoken out about the abuse. Since then, the Crewe

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chairman since 1987 told Dan Roan that an inquiry is underway.

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Infuriated and very disappointed. , We are distressed. Looking back

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now, was there anything you could have done at the time to prevent

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this from happening? When we've done our inquiries and we've looked into

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the detail of the various accusations, and we've considered

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them all, then I'll be in a position to answer that kind of question. The

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message to Mr Woodward finally? I'm very sorry for the distress that he

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has been caused and wish him well. Steve Walters, who became

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Crewe's youngest-ever player at the age of 16,

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says he too was abused He told the Guardian,

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"All these years I've had But I want closure, and I know this

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move will help me move on." The Daily Mirror devotes its first

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five pages to claims by the former Spurs and England star Paul Stewart

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that a different coach abused him every day for four years,

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until he was 15. He says his attacker got away

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with it by threatening to kill his relatives

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if he ever told anyone. He blames the abuse for drink

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and drug problems He asked if I wanted

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to drive the car. It started from touching and then

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developed more and more into sexual abuse and the threats of violence

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towards your family. If you were to breathe

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a word to anybody. He said he was going

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to kill your brothers? Of course all those years up

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were playing at the top level, Paul Gascoigne and these

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enormous household names, John Barnes, even as you were enjoying

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great success, you were dealing with it and having suicidal

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thoughts as a result? In football there are

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lots of highs and lows, which you deal with as part

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of the game, and I dealt with this It took me some years

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to speak to my family about I struggled and still struggle

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to this day with the I'm lucky that I have

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a strong family. Because I don't really know

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if I would have been The most difficult thing

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is the fact I was unable to deal with the emotions and I still

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struggle with that today. I don't feel it's

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fair on them but I'm They always say it's just Dad,

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but at least with this story they may be able to understand

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as well some of the repercussions of

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what happened and why I've been how I've been

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and how I am with them, I haven't spoken of this in-depth

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as much as I've spoken to Since Friday the emotions have been

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like a roller-coaster. I don't know, moving forward,

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whether it is going to be a help to me or not,

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but one thing for sure was that I knew I had to tell my story

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and the truth about what happened And hope it will either prevent

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anybody else trying to do this and also if it is just one person

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or six, seven or eight people come forward and it happened to them

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and it helps them, I believe it And it's worth pointing out that

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despite that message in the top left of the video,

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the Mirror did give us permission to use that interview,

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and Paul Stewart had waived his right to

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anonymity to speak to them. Later in the programme we'll hear

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from abuse charities about the impact players

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speaking out has had. Darren Lineker has tweeted, I wish

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Paul Stewart all the very best, extremely courageous in telling his

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appalling story. This morning, in an exclusive

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interview, the husband of a schoolteacher who was murdered

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by a pupil in her classroom in April 2014 says he thinks it's possible

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that lives could still be at risk in British schools until we know

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all the facts of the circumstances William Cornick was sentenced

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to spend a minimum 20 years in prison after pleading guilty

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to murdering his Spanish teacher Ann Maguire

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when he was 15 years old. It was revealed that he had

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expressed his hatred of his teacher and his desire to kill her and other

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teachers on social media and in person to other youngsters

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on several occasions in the five She was just always a teacher

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you could approach, even if you weren't with her,

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she always made herself To pay my respects to somebody

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who is truly amazing, she deserves every kind of respect

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anyone can give her. It wasn't like finding

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out a teacher had died, it was like finding out

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a relative had died. No amount of punishment can ever

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compensate for the loss of Ann's life, no amount of punishment can

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compensate the family for what we've lost in our beautiful, selfless,

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caring and compassionate sister, Speaking exclusively

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in his first in-depth interview, Ann Maguire's husband

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Don Maguire is here. Tell us a bit about your wife,

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and what she was like? She was the nicest person you could

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imagine, she was very special. She was very caring, cheerful person.

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She lightened the mood wherever she went. She was very much a people

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person. She spent her life sorting people's problems out and making

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them feel better. She had the power to change, to transform and, for

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some people, including myself, be life changing. What did you think of

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the review into her death, which concluded that nothing could have

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been done to prevent it? I think the fact that she was such a special

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person is part of the problem, in that it is so hard to understand.

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For this to happen to Ann at this school has always been of great

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puzzlement. The review was very disappointing. It is a massively

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missed opportunity to really learn lessons. The review did not talk to

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pupils who had spoken to William Cornick, and the reason why, it said

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it thought it was unnecessary, it would have been traumatic for the

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youngsters and would have been counter-productive. Do you

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understand that? Did you think they made the right decision? Terms like

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unnecessary and counter-productive, I think that statement is a little

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bit emotive and unfounded. We are speaking about a learning

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lessons review that has been based on the premise that no pupil was

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harmed physically or psychologically. I have to take it

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from that that trauma is not of a particular problem, and the idea

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that a group of people are all equally traumatised and maybe for

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some of them it would be beneficial to actually have the opportunity to

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discuss the details. Not just that pupils were aware of what he had

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posted on social media, but actually on the morning of him killing your

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wife he had shown those nights to other pupils. Yes.

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The review makes the point that William Cornick was not known to the

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police or two agencies or two people in authority. When they were doing

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the review into him. But really, this was a boy who had made threats

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continuously over months and maybe years, who carried a knife, who

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carried a weapon on a regular basis. The police and agencies and those in

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authority should have known about this boy.

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Back to the police, more importantly is that this school had a permanent

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police presence for five or six years. If William Cornick's friends

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or peers don't tell adults, he has got a knife, how can they know?

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A teacher's job is of knowing what is going on in their domain. They

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should know in the normal course of events. But he was doing it in a

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very continuously open way. It must have been part of the information

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out there. You are asking me, why didn't anybody here this? I don't

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know. Is that not the job of the review and the authorities to look

:27:19.:27:24.

into deeply and properly? You say it is a missed opportunity, the review.

:27:25.:27:28.

What do you want to see in the future? I have seen Leeds City

:27:29.:27:40.

Council, the leader and the Chief Executive, and expressed the view

:27:41.:27:44.

that in my opinion this was a hugely missed opportunity on a national

:27:45.:27:48.

level. This is the first case of his side, -- of its type, it is similar

:27:49.:27:56.

to some American cases. This was a disaffected youth with an agenda, it

:27:57.:28:02.

was premeditated and planned. We have a duty as a nation to find out

:28:03.:28:09.

as much as we possibly can, because it is only then that we know we have

:28:10.:28:13.

learned the lessons. I think it needs to be looked at from a

:28:14.:28:20.

national governmental point of view, and there should have been a full

:28:21.:28:23.

enquiry ordered into this incident in the first place. Until that

:28:24.:28:34.

happens, do you feel that teachers, perhaps pupils, their lives are at

:28:35.:28:41.

risk? Ann was not safe on that day in a school.

:28:42.:28:49.

So how one could say that schools are safe now, we have had the court

:28:50.:28:59.

proceedings, the judge's summing up, this learning lessons review, we

:29:00.:29:08.

have been to the coroner, and he has agreed to reopen it, but only on

:29:09.:29:15.

Monday a different coroner has reduced the scope and the areas of

:29:16.:29:25.

William Cornick of the inquest. -- the areas of inquiry. He has

:29:26.:29:31.

downgraded its likely. We are not going to look at the areas that hold

:29:32.:29:35.

most information and the possibility of most learning. The Department for

:29:36.:29:42.

Education say they can't make a decision about whether enquiries are

:29:43.:29:46.

necessary until the coroner has reached his or her seclusion. We met

:29:47.:29:51.

with Nicky Morgan last year. The former Education Secretary. It was

:29:52.:30:00.

the same point then. I did stress as best I could at the time that this

:30:01.:30:08.

was an inappropriate review. And there were certain worrying aspect

:30:09.:30:11.

about the organisation and the process being carried out. She

:30:12.:30:17.

ignored all of those. She was determined to wait for this. The

:30:18.:30:21.

fact that it is such a disappointing review and it is simply wasting

:30:22.:30:31.

another two years, and now, the coroner's inquest seems to have been

:30:32.:30:36.

downgraded slightly, we really do need somebody on this day to be

:30:37.:30:43.

brave and say, let's look at this properly. Let's not leave anything

:30:44.:30:50.

on checked -- on checked that we can learn from this. It should not have

:30:51.:30:54.

happened, and you have to try to guarantee it never happens again.

:30:55.:31:04.

After undercover policeman Mark Kennedy admitted he'd

:31:05.:31:09.

had sexual relationships with women while undercover -

:31:10.:31:15.

An inquiry was set-up to investigate the practise. There are claims it

:31:16.:31:22.

has been deliberately obstructed by the Metropolitan Police. We'll bring

:31:23.:31:23.

you the details. And two more players come forward

:31:24.:31:27.

following our exclusive interview with former footballer Andy Woodward

:31:28.:31:30.

about abuse he suffered Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:31:31.:31:32.

with a summary of today's news. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:31:33.:31:42.

is expected to announce plans to build more affordable homes,

:31:43.:31:47.

increase the National Living Wage and ban letting agent fees

:31:48.:31:50.

in England, when he makes his first In his first major economic

:31:51.:31:52.

statement since the Brexit vote, Mr Hammond is expected to balance

:31:53.:31:56.

bleak news on growth and borrowing with announcements on housing

:31:57.:31:59.

investment and boosts Labour says the statement is likely

:32:00.:32:01.

to be "too little, too late" The chairman of Crewe Alexandra

:32:02.:32:10.

football club has confirmed that it's looking into historic

:32:11.:32:15.

allegations of abuse involving Former Crewe Alexandra player

:32:16.:32:17.

Andy Woodward told us last week in an exclusive interview that he'd

:32:18.:32:23.

been raped hundreds of times by his youth coach Barry Bennell,

:32:24.:32:26.

who was jailed in 1998. A second man has come forward to say

:32:27.:32:28.

he too had been abused by Bennell. The chairman of a committee looking

:32:29.:32:39.

into the collapse of BHS has asked the Pensions Regulator

:32:40.:32:42.

whether assets can be seized from its former

:32:43.:32:44.

owner, Sir Philip Green. Labour MP Frank Field has asked

:32:45.:32:46.

whether the BHS pensions hole could be plugged by assets

:32:47.:32:48.

other than cash. Sir Philip's assets include

:32:49.:32:51.

a ?100 million super yacht. Pathology departments in NHS

:32:52.:33:00.

hospitals are struggling to cope with rising requests for cancer

:33:01.:33:03.

tests, according a new report. Cancer Research UK says record

:33:04.:33:05.

levels of referrals aren't The Government says it's

:33:06.:33:07.

investing in services. A 72 year-old woman

:33:08.:33:15.

from Liverpool is being treated in hospital after being shot

:33:16.:33:18.

in the leg last night. She was attacked as she stood

:33:19.:33:20.

in the doorway of a house in the Netherley area by two men

:33:21.:33:23.

on a motorbike. Scotland's Transport Minister

:33:24.:33:29.

will make an emergency statement in Holyrood today,

:33:30.:33:30.

after mounting criticism Dutch firm, Abellio, took over

:33:31.:33:32.

the ScotRail franchise last year in a ten-year deal

:33:33.:33:38.

worth up to ?6 billion, but ministers say it needs

:33:39.:33:41.

to improve its punctuality and reliability or face

:33:42.:33:43.

losing the contract. That's a summary of

:33:44.:33:51.

the latest BBC News. Let's get some sport

:33:52.:33:53.

from Leah Boleto. Spurs wake up this morning

:33:54.:33:58.

knowing their run in They lost 2-1 to Monaco

:33:59.:34:10.

with all the goals coming in the first five minutes

:34:11.:34:14.

of the second half. Harry Kane's penalty wasn't enough

:34:15.:34:16.

but they can still secure thrid place and a spot

:34:17.:34:18.

in the Europa League with a draw Leicester City made history though

:34:19.:34:21.

last night making the knockout This opening goal from Okazaki

:34:22.:34:25.

setting them off for a win final Despite a man of the match

:34:26.:34:30.

performance and two tries against Fiji at the weekend,

:34:31.:34:39.

Semesa Rokoduguni has been left out of the England's squad to play

:34:40.:34:41.

Argentina on Saturday. And Scotland's women's curlers

:34:42.:34:45.

have qualified for next They won their six round robin

:34:46.:34:47.

matches yesterday at the European It was a bad day for the Scottish

:34:48.:34:51.

men though as they lost to both That's all from me for now.

:34:52.:34:56.

I'll be back just after 10am. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:34:57.:35:04.

is expected to announce plans to build more affordable homes,

:35:05.:35:06.

increase the National Living Wage and ban letting agent fees

:35:07.:35:10.

in England when he makes his first Autumn Statement or mini

:35:11.:35:13.

Budget later today. Our political guru Norman Smith can

:35:14.:35:14.

tell us more. Thank you very much. What I think I

:35:15.:35:25.

can tell you, it is not going to be a thriller in Manila! It is not

:35:26.:35:30.

going to be a big bonanza giveaway. Why? Well, there ain't no cash, but

:35:31.:35:35.

Philip Hammond is a cautious sort of politician. He is referred to the at

:35:36.:35:39.

Westminster as box office Phil. A reference to the fact that he is not

:35:40.:35:44.

showbizy. So what we can expect from box office Phil? Well, I think we

:35:45.:35:49.

will get a benefits boost so he will ease the pain of cuts to universal

:35:50.:35:56.

credits. There be road relief. ?1 billion more cash to each the pinch

:35:57.:36:00.

points that make the daily commute a horror story and I think we might

:36:01.:36:07.

also get a bit of hi-tech help. ?2 billion more for go ahead companies

:36:08.:36:11.

in robotics and biotechnology, but it won't be a big rabbit out of the

:36:12.:36:16.

hat moment which is in contrast to most Autumn Statements and Budgets.

:36:17.:36:19.

Let's look at some of in recent years.

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We shall continue to widen the band. We will make our progress towards

:36:30.:36:34.

our objective, a 20 pence basic rate of tax for everyone.

:36:35.:36:45.

We're going to get borrowing to fall zero. Inflation below 2.5% and a 20%

:36:46.:36:51.

basic rate of income tax. This Budget puts us on a path to meet all

:36:52.:36:58.

those goals and I commend, Mr Chairman, this Budget to the House.

:36:59.:37:06.

The winter fuel payment, the universal payment, tax-free to all

:37:07.:37:12.

pensioner households will be this ?200, and the year after that and

:37:13.:37:15.

every single year of this Parliament. The new national Living

:37:16.:37:19.

Wage will be compulsory. Working people aged 25 and over will receive

:37:20.:37:25.

it. It will start next April at the rate of ?7.20. The Low Pay

:37:26.:37:29.

Commission will recommend future rises and achieve the Government's

:37:30.:37:41.

objective of reaching... Why is there going to be no pizzazz from

:37:42.:37:47.

Philip Hammond? Well, he is warning of perhaps ?100 billion more

:37:48.:37:53.

borrowing. His great fear, a big Brexit black hole. That might mean

:37:54.:37:58.

no end to austerity any time soon. Could drag on well into the 2020s.

:37:59.:38:06.

No tax giveaway. Nice cuts to income tax or VAT, that's off the agenda

:38:07.:38:11.

and no extra cash for the NHS at a time when we know many, many

:38:12.:38:15.

hospitals have been plunged into deficit. You think I'm being gloomy?

:38:16.:38:19.

Well, have a listen to Philip Hammond a few days ago.

:38:20.:38:22.

We have to maintain our credibility, we have an eye wateringly large

:38:23.:38:25.

debt, we still have a significant deficit in this country and we have

:38:26.:38:30.

to prepare the economy for the period that lies ahead, I

:38:31.:38:36.

want to make sure the economy is watertight, that we have enough

:38:37.:38:39.

headroom to deal with any unexpected challenges

:38:40.:38:42.

However, there will be some winners. The people who Theresa May has

:38:43.:38:56.

identified as just getting by. Those who are very often on Universal

:38:57.:39:00.

Credit because the signs are, Mr Hammond is going to ease some of the

:39:01.:39:05.

cuts that have been pencilled in by George Osborne which could mean

:39:06.:39:09.

there could be between ?250 and ?500 a year better off, but still that is

:39:10.:39:15.

fairly limited given the scale of cuts still to be imposed on those

:39:16.:39:21.

who receive universal credits. ?4 billion worth pencilled in by the

:39:22.:39:26.

last chancellor. Only around ?500 million being handed become bay this

:39:27.:39:30.

chancellor. Let's talk a bit more about those

:39:31.:39:49.

universal credit changes. Earlier we spoke to two Conservative

:39:50.:39:53.

MPs who've been vocal crisis of the Government over

:39:54.:39:58.

universal credit cuts - Iain Duncan Smith, a former work

:39:59.:40:00.

and pensions secretary who introduced the Universal Credit

:40:01.:40:02.

system and later resigned due to the Government's benefit cuts,

:40:03.:40:10.

and Conservative MP Heidi Allen. There is two elements. One is as you

:40:11.:40:20.

cross into work it has the work allowance which is like a tax

:40:21.:40:23.

allowance. Which means you retain a certain amount of your benefit,

:40:24.:40:27.

depending on whether you're disabled or whether you're a lone parent. At

:40:28.:40:31.

that point then it is tapered away as you go up the hours. So it keeps

:40:32.:40:35.

it simple. It allows you to adjust for individuals and the taper is the

:40:36.:40:38.

same for all of those benefits within it. Whereas the moment you

:40:39.:40:43.

can have withdrawal rates of 95 pence in the pound and 70 pence, at

:40:44.:40:50.

the moment it is 65 and the Government is talking about reducing

:40:51.:40:54.

it to 63 pence. Those two elements mean it makes it simpler, it is easy

:40:55.:40:58.

to understand and it is automatic in the sense that you don't have to

:40:59.:41:02.

keep reporting the changes in your salary, that's done automatically

:41:03.:41:04.

through the system and that should take some of the stress out of that

:41:05.:41:07.

process. We are expecting the new chancellor, Philip Hammond, to allow

:41:08.:41:10.

people who are on Universal Credit to be able to keep more of their

:41:11.:41:15.

benefits while in work. Effectively to reverse changes that Mr Osborne,

:41:16.:41:20.

the previous incumbent brought in, do you support that? I do. I have

:41:21.:41:27.

campaigned to put that money back into Universal Credit because the

:41:28.:41:33.

thing about Universal Credit is it actually saves the ex-chordor money.

:41:34.:41:37.

They end up being into the tax bracket earlier and they pay tax,

:41:38.:41:41.

but they are in a better position and so they are more stable in work

:41:42.:41:45.

and therefore, taking the money out is counter productive. So one of the

:41:46.:41:48.

reasons I resigned from the Government and I felt it was the

:41:49.:41:52.

wrong thing to do, so this is really a down payment. It is about a third

:41:53.:41:55.

of the money that was taken out, going back in. It is a start. It is

:41:56.:42:01.

not everything. I'll continue to campaign to complete that process of

:42:02.:42:04.

investing in Universal Credit because it has the dynamic and right

:42:05.:42:07.

effect on changing lives in the right way. Heidi, is this a watering

:42:08.:42:12.

down of the austerity drive from the Conservative Government? It is. I

:42:13.:42:15.

think it is a reflection of the life is at the minute. It has been

:42:16.:42:18.

bumpier and more difficult to get out of the economic crisis, perhaps

:42:19.:42:22.

than people realised. The way I've always looked at it because

:42:23.:42:25.

Universal Credit, it's the people that run the engine of this country,

:42:26.:42:29.

you know, it is the shopworkers, it is the teaching assistants and the

:42:30.:42:31.

people on modest incomes, you need to keep them in work. If they don't

:42:32.:42:35.

want to go into work, the whole economy stops turning. For me, it is

:42:36.:42:43.

a slight watering down. It is a welcome one as Iain says it is the

:42:44.:42:46.

beginning. But it doesn't reverse all the cuts. See how the economy

:42:47.:42:51.

plays out and whether we need to look at that again. There is a

:42:52.:42:54.

deficit, it is around ?63 billion. Why is it the right time to water

:42:55.:42:59.

down the austerity drive? Because if these people don't stay in work and

:43:00.:43:01.

don't increase their work, they don't start putting taxes into the

:43:02.:43:05.

system. It is a snowball effect. You have to have everybody working and

:43:06.:43:09.

contributing to an economy and if they stop working then the whole

:43:10.:43:16.

thing slows down. Let me introduce Katie. Kate has two jobs. She has

:43:17.:43:23.

been receiving ?200 to ?300 in universal credits until Monday. What

:43:24.:43:26.

happened on Monday? They looked at the earnings that I had rather than

:43:27.:43:30.

the hours that I had and said that I'm basically over the bracket to

:43:31.:43:35.

claim any sort of benefits anymore. So they say you're earning too much

:43:36.:43:39.

to get Universal Credit now? Yeah, that's right. Can you afford to live

:43:40.:43:43.

on the wages that you get from your two jobs? I can afford to live at

:43:44.:43:49.

the moment I can pay my rent and pay for food stuff. I can't save for

:43:50.:43:52.

anything. I don't have any money to save. Right. What happened in terms

:43:53.:44:00.

of the principle of keeping more of your Universal Credit? I think that,

:44:01.:44:06.

you know, I understand that I have two jobs. A lot of people still

:44:07.:44:12.

struggle to find employment. But on the basis of not letting me know

:44:13.:44:17.

that my credit would just be cut on the day that I expected some money

:44:18.:44:24.

coming, it was quite a shock. Does it incentivise you to do more hours?

:44:25.:44:29.

Yes, I will always try to do more hours. I will always take on extra

:44:30.:44:33.

shifts if they offer me, but it is hard to increase hours when you are

:44:34.:44:40.

on a certainly hourly wage per week. Victoria, you are on Universal

:44:41.:44:45.

Credit. Is it working for you? It feels very restricted. It feels my

:44:46.:44:50.

options to going back to work and college what's the word? They are

:44:51.:44:55.

very... Limited. Yeah, they are very leplted, sorry. Like Katie was just

:44:56.:45:00.

saying, she is working two jobs. She is just had her's cut on Monday

:45:01.:45:05.

because you know, she is earning so much and that's the same problem as

:45:06.:45:12.

I'm having. I'm going to go to apply for jobs, and I'm finding out that I

:45:13.:45:17.

can only earn up to ?160 a month so I have been limited to 16 hours, 20

:45:18.:45:20.

hours. That is an issue. Yes. It is

:45:21.:45:30.

difficult to know exactly what the circumstances are, but I think the

:45:31.:45:34.

issue around the point at which you break free of the benefits system is

:45:35.:45:37.

where we are, the benefit is tapering at until you are of it.

:45:38.:45:44.

There is another element which is beyond Universal Credit, the rise in

:45:45.:45:47.

the national living wage. The Government is committed to getting

:45:48.:45:51.

that up to ?9 and hour, which comes up from below ?6 an hour when we

:45:52.:45:55.

first came in, which will have a genetic effect, it will affect those

:45:56.:46:00.

moving off Universal Credit, their incomes will rise faster as a

:46:01.:46:05.

result. There is another positive. There is a reality, you are not

:46:06.:46:09.

meant to stay on benefits forever, there is a point where you break

:46:10.:46:13.

free, that is a positive thing, and I am pleased to see people want to

:46:14.:46:18.

work more hours. With regards the issues around incentivising due to

:46:19.:46:21.

go on, Universal Credit has a greater incentive, to hit people to

:46:22.:46:26.

work more hours, because it is easy to understand and automatic. If

:46:27.:46:30.

either of them are having an issue, they need to talk to the job centre

:46:31.:46:36.

adviser, who now stays with them all the way through those hours, to

:46:37.:46:40.

check that the calculations that are being made are correct, and they

:46:41.:46:46.

have everything they are due. You are shaking your head. It says it is

:46:47.:46:53.

to help and it is catered to as, but it is the opposite, it is robotic,

:46:54.:47:00.

it is not catered to the person. Each person has different needs,

:47:01.:47:03.

whether it is a single mother, but it is somebody who is a carer for a

:47:04.:47:10.

parent, somebody who works part-time, all the same rules for

:47:11.:47:14.

everybody, you are only allowed to add up to a certain amount. Where is

:47:15.:47:18.

the incentive to go back to work if, as soon as you and that amount, it

:47:19.:47:26.

is deducted? There is no earning anymore or getting a better career,

:47:27.:47:32.

because it is stopped at ?160. You are talking about the work allowance

:47:33.:47:36.

that allows you to own a certain amount of money before it starts

:47:37.:47:40.

getting taken away. You may not have had this experience, but under the

:47:41.:47:44.

existing system which Universal Credit replaces, you did not have

:47:45.:47:47.

the same level of allowance inside tax credits. He would have been

:47:48.:47:52.

locked to only 16 hours of work, because you would lose so much after

:47:53.:47:57.

that. The point is you will not lose at any faster rate. Each category of

:47:58.:48:05.

person, they have different amounts of money they can earn before that

:48:06.:48:08.

is taken away, reflecting their own condition. A person in work would be

:48:09.:48:15.

better off under this system than under tax credits. The Chancellor is

:48:16.:48:23.

also expected to raise again, or bring forward the raising of the

:48:24.:48:27.

threshold at which people will stop paying tax. That will help

:48:28.:48:34.

everybody. What he was arguing for, and he was right, was rather found

:48:35.:48:40.

those funds held in the tax allowance, we could pump it into

:48:41.:48:44.

Universal Credit, but we have both, the raising of the threshold will be

:48:45.:48:48.

for everybody. We have put in ?1 billion to help young ladies like

:48:49.:48:52.

those we have talked to this morning. We have to bite of the

:48:53.:48:57.

cherry, plus the national minimum wage going up. We are realistic

:48:58.:49:01.

about the economy. Well done to Katie, two jobs, fantastic, she

:49:02.:49:06.

knows she can pay her rent, but the Government is not there to pay your

:49:07.:49:11.

savings for you. Good luck to both of them. But it is working through

:49:12.:49:14.

the transition. Universal Credit will support them. Gifting them

:49:15.:49:20.

slowly off the benefit they get more hours, and 20 wage goes up they

:49:21.:49:29.

should feel the benefit. Coverage of the Autumn Statement

:49:30.:49:32.

from 11:30am on BBC News. Thank you for your e-mails about the

:49:33.:49:37.

safety of teachers in schools, after our interview with the husband of

:49:38.:49:41.

Ann Maguire, killed in her classroom by one of her pupils. Tim says, I

:49:42.:49:48.

was a teacher, working in design and technology, I was threatened by a

:49:49.:49:51.

year 11 student with a Stanley knife who wanted to attack me. When it was

:49:52.:49:56.

reported, nothing happened. When I left teaching, I was told it was my

:49:57.:50:01.

responsibility to report the incident to the police. Later, the

:50:02.:50:05.

police called me to say the boy was sorry and it was only a joke. I have

:50:06.:50:10.

not fought since. Until there is zero tolerance, the type of incident

:50:11.:50:14.

you are covering will always happen. Jeff says, it is only a matter of

:50:15.:50:19.

time before it happens again. My niece was a teacher where children

:50:20.:50:23.

carried knives and guns, she has since left because of our concerns.

:50:24.:50:27.

Christine says, my daughter used to work in a junior school in London,

:50:28.:50:31.

one day a parent walked into the classroom, picked up a chair, raised

:50:32.:50:35.

it above his head and when to bring it down on her head. Her legs gave

:50:36.:50:41.

way and she fell to the floor. Thank you for those. You can e-mail us.

:50:42.:50:47.

You can message is on Twitter, using the hashtag, or there is always

:50:48.:50:49.

Facebook. On this programme we've spent a lot

:50:50.:50:51.

of time reporting on the work Many of you have expressed

:50:52.:50:54.

surprise over the way some undercover cops had behaved

:50:55.:50:57.

when they were investigating organisations and protesters

:50:58.:50:59.

who might be threatening our In some cases police officers

:51:00.:51:01.

had slept with women, We spoke exclusively to former

:51:02.:51:05.

undercover cop Mark Kennedy, who'd spent seven years undercover

:51:06.:51:10.

infiltrating protest groups. During that time he had more

:51:11.:51:13.

than one sexual relationship The person I was in love with wasn't

:51:14.:51:16.

really involved with situations where I needed to pass

:51:17.:51:25.

intelligence about her. But if you needed to,

:51:26.:51:28.

would you have done it? Would your loyalty have been

:51:29.:51:34.

to the police or her? In those circumstances

:51:35.:51:45.

I wouldn't have done that. Yes, you could say that, but I think

:51:46.:51:47.

I was in a position where... She was a person that was very

:51:48.:51:52.

independent and still is, I'm sure, and she is a person who would make

:51:53.:51:55.

up her own mind and decisions about what she wanted to do,

:51:56.:51:58.

and I totally respected that. If she did something

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and she was arrested for it, that is very much her

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way of doing things, and if that is what she wanted

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to do, then she has to stand Some campaigners said that

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by having this relationship, by sleeping with this

:52:12.:52:21.

woman, they described it as state-sanctioned abuse,

:52:22.:52:24.

as this woman could not give her informed consent to sleeping

:52:25.:52:28.

with you because she didn't know Well, that is certainly something

:52:29.:52:31.

that is being addressed by eight women who claim to have

:52:32.:52:38.

had relationships with How do you feel about being accused

:52:39.:52:40.

of state-sectioned abuse? I know the relationship we had,

:52:41.:52:47.

it was one of the most I was lying about my name,

:52:48.:52:54.

who I was, yes, and it is very difficult to know that she has been

:52:55.:53:02.

hurt and she's terribly upset about that, and it's something

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which I'm still finding very difficult to deal with,

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and will for a long time to come. All I do know is that what we shared

:53:13.:53:18.

and how we shared our lives for four and a half, five years,

:53:19.:53:23.

was an amazing time in the sense that we both supported each other

:53:24.:53:28.

through some very difficult times It is just very sad that the way

:53:29.:53:31.

and how we fell in love happened As a result of the actions of

:53:32.:53:40.

undercover cops like Mark Kennedy, an inquiry was set up,

:53:41.:53:48.

and is due to report by 2018. But one of the women

:53:49.:53:51.

who was in a long relationship with a man who didn't

:53:52.:53:53.

tell her he was a police officer says the inquiry

:53:54.:53:56.

is being deliberately That woman is called Lisa, not her

:53:57.:54:07.

real name, she was in a relationship with Mark Kennedy, who you have just

:54:08.:54:11.

seen, for six years. Also joining us is a formal Chief Constable from

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Thames Valley Police. What has happened since two apology from the

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Met? It has been almost a year to the day since we had that apology

:54:21.:54:28.

made in public by the Met Police. Despite saying they are sorry, it

:54:29.:54:33.

has not resulted in any disclosure of information about what happened

:54:34.:54:39.

to us. Any victim of abuse will tell you that it is knowing what has

:54:40.:54:44.

happened, that is as important as being told that the people

:54:45.:54:48.

responsible are sorry. Until we get full answers about exactly what

:54:49.:54:55.

happened to us, will be targeted, how we were targeted, where we

:54:56.:54:59.

listened to, what information was gathered on us, until we get close

:55:00.:55:03.

to those answers, we will not be able to put this behind us. Has

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anybody been called to give evidence to this? No, nobody has given

:55:07.:55:12.

evidence yet, they have not started taking evidence. They have said they

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are almost ready, but even though it has been going on for 16 months, it

:55:18.:55:22.

has just bogged down in application after application, starting with the

:55:23.:55:28.

police applying to have the whole inquiry heard in secret, and every

:55:29.:55:32.

time there is an these times -- these things take time to be

:55:33.:55:38.

responded to. It is a painstakingly slow process. If that is why you say

:55:39.:55:42.

they are deliberately obstructing it, because they are applying for

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officers' identities to be kept secret? Yes, the attitude of the

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police ever since I first confronted my ex-partner Mark Kennedy back in

:55:54.:56:06.

2010, this political policing, these undercover scrutiny of protest

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movement came to light, ever since they have been deliberately

:56:10.:56:13.

obstructive. As part of our court case, which took five years to come

:56:14.:56:17.

to justice, they fought us on every single point, every single step of

:56:18.:56:22.

the way. That apology which came five years after we initiated the

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action was really hard one. It was almost like getting blood out of a

:56:30.:56:32.

stone. We are still no further to getting any answers. Everything that

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the police are doing mirrors how they have acted in other enquiries,

:56:39.:56:43.

for example Hillsborough, which took 20 years to get anywhere near the

:56:44.:56:48.

truth. It is obvious to all of us involved that the police, their

:56:49.:56:51.

prime concern is protecting themselves and their institutions.

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John Humphrys knighted bit this morning. But you have my name wrong.

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Is it right that the Met Police apply for their offices' identities

:57:13.:57:22.

to be obscured? I can understand why they are doing it, but the principle

:57:23.:57:28.

is often not confirming or denying, it is not admitting anything that is

:57:29.:57:30.

going on in undercover, because it poses threats. But I have

:57:31.:57:35.

considerable sympathy with Lisa's position. The police have got to

:57:36.:57:39.

come off the fence and make their mind up about some of the core

:57:40.:57:46.

issues, and be a lot more open about what has gone on in order to be able

:57:47.:57:51.

to move on and put undercover policing on a more accountable

:57:52.:57:57.

footing. They continue to say neither confirm or deny at every

:57:58.:58:01.

turn. We will never get any justice. They still say they will neither

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confirm nor deny the identity of the police officers for whose actions

:58:07.:58:12.

they have already apologised. The two police officers that were part

:58:13.:58:16.

of our case, the Met Police have apologised to the women who had

:58:17.:58:18.

relationships with them, that they are still refusing to disclose their

:58:19.:58:26.

names to the enquiry. On that point, if I may interrupt, in the past the

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Met Police's barristers have said, undercover police officers and their

:58:32.:58:35.

families are likely to face real harm if anything is disclosed that

:58:36.:58:38.

tends to identify them, and will suffer the unfairness of losing a

:58:39.:58:41.

lifelong expectation that their roles would not be made public. Is

:58:42.:58:48.

that not made enough -- fair in of? It is fair enough to protect the

:58:49.:58:52.

families who have been dragged into this, it was a policy that police

:58:53.:58:55.

officers had to be married before they went undercover, and that shows

:58:56.:58:59.

utter disregard for a whole other set of women and children. So you

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agree? I agree that some level of protection needs to happen for those

:59:06.:59:12.

families. But if you are still saying neither confirm nor deny for

:59:13.:59:16.

people whose identity has been in the public domain for years,

:59:17.:59:20.

absolutely everybody knows who those officers are, and no harm has come

:59:21.:59:26.

as yet to those officers, people have been... Since 2010 there has

:59:27.:59:32.

been revelation after revelation, and at the moment the inquiry are

:59:33.:59:38.

relying on the victims of the abuse to bring it to light. The thing has

:59:39.:59:42.

come for the police. How do we speed up this inquiry? It definitely needs

:59:43.:59:51.

to be speeded up. It is doing nobody any good for this to be dragging on.

:59:52.:59:57.

The Home Office has under resourced it, because the first obstacle that

:59:58.:00:02.

needs to be overcome is helping Sir Chris Pitchford to make the right

:00:03.:00:05.

judgment on the restriction orders. He will put restriction orders on so

:00:06.:00:10.

that the stuff that relates to serious as and the heavy end of

:00:11.:00:15.

undercover, have to be kept under wraps. He has got to find their way

:00:16.:00:20.

to bring case-by-case in, the type of cases that have caused serious

:00:21.:00:24.

public concern, in a way that does not disclose tech makes or pose a

:00:25.:00:30.

threat to the officers and their families, and also does not imperil

:00:31.:00:34.

current or future operations that are going on, which may be

:00:35.:00:37.

connected. That is the difficulty of the balance, that it needs to be

:00:38.:00:41.

resourced properly to get this done quickly so we can move to the next

:00:42.:00:44.

stage and reach the final stage, where he is supposed to set a

:00:45.:00:47.

framework for undercover for the future.

:00:48.:00:54.

Let me bring you this news. A plain clothed police officer has been

:00:55.:01:02.

stabbed in East London. It happened last night say Scotland Yard, a

:01:03.:01:06.

group of three boys and one girl in their late teens stabbed this

:01:07.:01:11.

officer. The officer is in a non-life threatening condition

:01:12.:01:14.

according to Scotland Yard. A group of three boys and one girl stabbed a

:01:15.:01:20.

plain clothed police officer last night according to Scotland Yard.

:01:21.:01:24.

The officer's condition is not life threatening.

:01:25.:01:30.

We have got the weather. Hello Carol.

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How are you? Very well, thank you. How are you? I'm all right, but it's

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freezing. Look at this view. One of our Weather Watchers sent us this.

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How stunning is that? Beautiful. I'm going too show you different kinds

:01:52.:01:55.

of weather. We had a lot of fog across parts of southern and

:01:56.:01:59.

south-eastern England. Here is another one as well. Look at the

:02:00.:02:04.

snow. We this is what fell yesterday on the hills! This is a good one of

:02:05.:02:08.

Durham where it was cold this morning. Oh, my goodness wait until

:02:09.:02:14.

you see the temperatures! Staffordshire, more cloud here. So I

:02:15.:02:18.

have been telling you about the temperatures. This is what it's like

:02:19.:02:26.

at the moment. It is still minus six Celsius in Braemar. Minus six

:02:27.:02:30.

Celsius is pretty cold. In London it is plus seven Celsius. So when we

:02:31.:02:34.

came in, it was lower than that too. Guess what? It is going to get

:02:35.:02:38.

colder tonight! Get your central heating on! What we

:02:39.:02:42.

have this morning is a real mixture of weather. We've got a weather

:02:43.:02:46.

front coming in from the South East. That's producing some rain as it

:02:47.:02:50.

comes across Kent and it will move in across East Anglia, heading down

:02:51.:02:53.

towards the Isle of Wight. High pressure firmly in charge in the

:02:54.:02:57.

north means clearer skies. We had them by night hence the low

:02:58.:03:00.

temperatures Victoria and I have been discussing, but it means a lot

:03:01.:03:03.

of isn't shine for Scotland and Northern Ireland and northern

:03:04.:03:05.

England and that sunshine just pushing further south through the

:03:06.:03:09.

course of the day. Elsewhere, we've got the thicker cloud. We've got

:03:10.:03:13.

splashes of rain and we're looking at still the odd spot of fog that

:03:14.:03:18.

might just hang around. So into the afternoon, lots of sunshine across

:03:19.:03:22.

Scotland. These are the maximum temperatures, two Celsius in Glasgow

:03:23.:03:25.

and Edinburgh. Belfast, lots of sunshine for you. A maximum of seven

:03:26.:03:31.

Celsius. For Northern England, not as cold, a maximum temperature of

:03:32.:03:34.

nine Celsius. Then we run into the cloud. There will be some rain

:03:35.:03:37.

coming out of the cloud, but it will be fairly light and patchy. As we

:03:38.:03:40.

drift across Wales and into south-west England, again, there

:03:41.:03:43.

will be areas of cloud, some bright spells and some sunshine, but the

:03:44.:03:46.

wind will be picking up all the time across the southern half of the UK.

:03:47.:03:51.

With gusts to gale force in the English Channel. Along the coasts

:03:52.:03:54.

adjacent to the English Channel as well. Further north, under the clear

:03:55.:03:59.

skies tonight, it will be cold in the Highlands. We could see below

:04:00.:04:06.

double figures. We won't have problems with frost or fog because

:04:07.:04:11.

there is more of a breeze to move it along, but where we've got the

:04:12.:04:15.

freezing fog, with hardly a breath of wind some of that will linger it

:04:16.:04:19.

cannily, the western side of the Central Lowlands. So another

:04:20.:04:22.

beautiful day, but a lot of sunshine tomorrow. That getting down into

:04:23.:04:27.

Wales. Again, you can see a lot of cloud across parts of England

:04:28.:04:29.

through the morning, but the wind will break that up and we will see

:04:30.:04:33.

sunny spells develop and those are our temperatures. Ten to 12 Celsius

:04:34.:04:37.

in the south. If you're stuck under the freezing fog, it may only get up

:04:38.:04:41.

to minus one Celsius or freezing so you'll know all about that! As we

:04:42.:04:44.

head into the weekend with high pressure in charge, beautiful day on

:04:45.:04:49.

Friday. A cold start. A frosty one and some freezing fog patches here

:04:50.:04:52.

and there. Saturday, again, largely dry. But a bit more cloud around.

:04:53.:04:59.

Thank you very much, good morning. Hello. It is 10.05am, more support

:05:00.:05:07.

for struggling families, funds to build affordable homes, a rise in

:05:08.:05:11.

the minimum wage for people over 25 and reforms to Universal Credit are

:05:12.:05:15.

expected to be announced when the Chancellor delivers his mini Budget

:05:16.:05:19.

today. We will bring you the details. Following our interview

:05:20.:05:25.

with former footballer Andy Woodward who revealed he had abused and raped

:05:26.:05:32.

hundreds of times by his coach, two other players have waived their

:05:33.:05:38.

anonymity. It started from touching and then developed more and more

:05:39.:05:46.

with the sexual abuse and the threats of violence towards your

:05:47.:05:50.

family really if you were to breathe a word to anybody.

:05:51.:06:01.

Plus, they are a group said to said contain neo-Nazi and antisemites.

:06:02.:06:06.

Who are America's so-called alt-right. Hail Trump. Hail victory.

:06:07.:06:09.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Annita is in the BBC

:06:10.:06:19.

Newsroom with a summary The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:06:20.:06:21.

makes his first Autumn Mr Hammond is expected to balance

:06:22.:06:26.

bleak news on growth by announcing plans to build more affordable

:06:27.:06:30.

homes, increase the National Living Wage and ban letting

:06:31.:06:34.

agent fees in England. Labour says the statement

:06:35.:06:36.

is likely to be "too little, Two more football players have

:06:37.:06:38.

detailed the abuse they experienced as boys at the hands of former

:06:39.:06:48.

Crewe Alexandra youth Two other players have waived their

:06:49.:06:52.

right to anonymity. One of them, Paul Stewart,

:06:53.:07:04.

spoke to the Daily Mirror In football there are lots of highs

:07:05.:07:14.

and lows which you dealt with. I dealt with this inwardly alongside

:07:15.:07:18.

that. It took me some years to talk to my family about it and my wife

:07:19.:07:26.

and yeah, I struggled and still struggle to this day with the

:07:27.:07:33.

issues. I'm lucky that I've got a strong family unit around me because

:07:34.:07:37.

you know, I don't really know whether I would have been around

:07:38.:07:38.

today. A group of teenagers stabbed a

:07:39.:07:48.

police officer who was off duty last night. Three boys and a girl

:07:49.:07:52.

attacked the police officer near a pub in Bow. He is in hospital with

:07:53.:07:54.

nonlife threatening injuries. US President Barack Obama has

:07:55.:07:57.

awarded his last Presidential Medals of Freedom to a host of America's

:07:58.:07:59.

most famous faces. The medals are the highest civilian

:08:00.:08:02.

honour in the United States. Among the 21 recipients

:08:03.:08:06.

were Ellen DeGeneres, Tom Hanks, Mr Obama made a special

:08:07.:08:08.

tribute to comedian Ellen DeGeneres for her influence

:08:09.:08:11.

on the gay rights movement. That's a summary of

:08:12.:08:17.

the latest BBC News. First lets start with

:08:18.:08:19.

the Champions League because Tottenham are out

:08:20.:08:32.

of the competition. They needed a win or a draw

:08:33.:08:34.

against Monaco but they lost 2-1. All the goals coming

:08:35.:08:38.

in the first five minutes of the second half and even

:08:39.:08:40.

a Harry Kane penalty wasn't enough. They've got one more group match

:08:41.:08:46.

where they could secure a third place finish and a spot

:08:47.:08:49.

in the Europa League. Leicester City though made history

:08:50.:08:58.

last night reaching the knockout Okazaki opening the scoring

:08:59.:09:00.

for the Foxes with a stunning top They finish top of their group

:09:01.:09:07.

with one more group match to play. Despite struggling in the boss

:09:08.:09:16.

Claudio Ranieri is delighted Arsenal play Paris St Germain, but

:09:17.:09:35.

they are already through to the knock-out stages.

:09:36.:09:37.

Despite a man-of-the-match performance and two tries

:09:38.:09:46.

against Fiji at the weekend, a player has been left

:09:47.:09:48.

out of the England's squad to play Argentina on Saturday.

:09:49.:09:51.

The Bath wing earnt only his second cap in the 58-15 win against Fiji,

:09:52.:09:54.

Scotland's women have put themselves in a great position

:09:55.:10:02.

at the European Curling Championship on home soil in Glasgow.

:10:03.:10:06.

They won all of their first six round robin matches

:10:07.:10:09.

including this 8-6 victory against Germany.

:10:10.:10:10.

It means they have all but qualified for the semi-finals

:10:11.:10:13.

and are guaranteed to finish high enough in the group to earn a place

:10:14.:10:16.

They are playing their seventh game right now and they are 7-5 up

:10:17.:10:26.

against the Czech Republic. Let me just show you one

:10:27.:10:29.

more thing before I go. We've all seen players

:10:30.:10:32.

missing an open goal but this this a striker for Serbian side FK

:10:33.:10:34.

Lokomotiv, playing in a Belgrade zone

:10:35.:10:37.

league match. Fortunately FK Lokomotiva

:10:38.:10:40.

went on to win 2-1. So all was not lost! That's all from

:10:41.:10:52.

me. I will be back with more after 10.30am. If Harry Redknapp was here,

:10:53.:10:57.

he would have said, "My gran would have been able to score that."

:10:58.:11:02.

This morning, in their first broadcast interview,

:11:03.:11:04.

the family of a British man who died fighting against the so-called

:11:05.:11:07.

Islamic State in Syria describe him as "courageous,

:11:08.:11:10.

22-year-old Dean Evans from Reading died in July

:11:11.:11:15.

in the Syrian city of Manbij, after joining the People's

:11:16.:11:17.

Defence Units or YPG, a military group whose aim

:11:18.:11:23.

was to protect Kurds in Syria from Isis.

:11:24.:11:25.

Dean had been desperate to serve in the military after being rejected

:11:26.:11:28.

by the British Army on health grounds.

:11:29.:11:32.

Dean's step-dad, Steve Howell, bought him up from the age of six.

:11:33.:11:34.

Steve and his wife Tracey Howell are with us now.

:11:35.:11:39.

The first time he went to Syria, you had no idea, did you? We didn't, no.

:11:40.:11:46.

He actually lied to us and all of his friends and his work colleagues.

:11:47.:11:50.

He told us that he wanted to travel Europe, something that he had always

:11:51.:11:56.

been interested in was Auschwitz and many things since he was a young

:11:57.:12:00.

lad. We took him to the airport and he flew off, 13th March, my

:12:01.:12:06.

birthday, I received a message saying, "Hi, Steve, it is Dean.

:12:07.:12:11.

Sorry to let you know, but I'm in Syria. I joined YPG." We didn't know

:12:12.:12:22.

who YPG, our concern was that he had gone to fight for Isis, not against

:12:23.:12:27.

them. We thought this could be iffy for both of us and friends and

:12:28.:12:33.

family. So we had to look into it and Special Branch were involved and

:12:34.:12:36.

they came and they took Dean's laptop and bits and pieces away and

:12:37.:12:40.

look to see if he had been radicalised, but he hadn't,

:12:41.:12:43.

everything that Dean did was off his own back like you previously said he

:12:44.:12:47.

wanted to be in the military, he was a top cadet, he loved his cadet

:12:48.:12:53.

work, but we lost his mum in 2011. I took him on his 18th birthday to go

:12:54.:12:58.

and join up with the British forces only for him to be told that he

:12:59.:13:02.

couldn't join because he had asthma which was the biggest down fall for

:13:03.:13:06.

him. When he got back then, from that, did you think that's that, it

:13:07.:13:10.

is out of his system now Well, Steve found it very difficult to talk to

:13:11.:13:14.

Dean when he came back. I caught him one day coming down the stairs and I

:13:15.:13:18.

had said, "Dean, do you need it talk about what you did out there?" I am

:13:19.:13:23.

the only person he was ever able to tell the full details to. And what

:13:24.:13:28.

he saw and what he did was horrendous. At times they were

:13:29.:13:32.

drinking stream water because they didn't have any clean water. Even

:13:33.:13:39.

fighting back on his post with dysentery. It was pretty horrendous

:13:40.:13:44.

for them. He felt very guilty towards me, the fact that he had

:13:45.:13:47.

lied when he went the first time. That was the hurdle that we had

:13:48.:13:51.

overcome. He told us we spoke openly with him, we were always open and we

:13:52.:13:55.

speak from our hearts. If there is something in your heart, you have to

:13:56.:13:58.

bring it out to be true to yourself. Dean always wanted to be a

:13:59.:14:01.

soldierment he always wanted to have a uniform. He told us that he didn't

:14:02.:14:07.

have any intentions to go back, no return to Syria. But when did that

:14:08.:14:13.

change? Well, every time the TV came on and it had something to do with

:14:14.:14:19.

Isis or something to do with Syria, it changed him. You could actually

:14:20.:14:24.

see him change completely. He decided in his own heart, we had a

:14:25.:14:29.

feeling that he wanted to go back, but he openly spoke to us and said,

:14:30.:14:36.

"Look, I'm thinking of going back. I haven't made plans yet", but he was

:14:37.:14:39.

in contact with other guys and girls that he fought with over there. He

:14:40.:14:45.

literally said to us, "I am possibly going to return." We decided that we

:14:46.:14:50.

all needed to come together as a family, my stepdaughter and her

:14:51.:14:53.

boyfriend wanted to sit down with him and talk openly about

:14:54.:14:57.

everything. So that he went with all of our hearts so that he went with a

:14:58.:15:01.

clear mind with no regrets from home. He was a great lad. He was so

:15:02.:15:06.

calm, and he was so collected, he was a loving lad and the stories

:15:07.:15:12.

that we have had back since his passing, he died on the 21st July

:15:13.:15:18.

from a rocket propelled grenade with Isis and he died with his female

:15:19.:15:28.

team Khanneder from the YPA. I must admit we feel honoured to be part of

:15:29.:15:33.

their community. We feel that we've extended our family thousands fold

:15:34.:15:38.

more and Dean died a martyr. He always said to Tracey and I, I

:15:39.:15:43.

wasn't there one day when he said to the family, "I would rather live a

:15:44.:15:48.

short exciting life than a long dull boring life." That was his outlook.

:15:49.:15:53.

We told him outright we did not want him to go. But this is a

:15:54.:16:01.

22-year-old. You cannot stop them. It was not like it did not know what

:16:02.:16:05.

he was going to, because he had been there before. From when I had

:16:06.:16:10.

brought him up, when I got to know him, when I first came into his

:16:11.:16:14.

life, his ambition was his ambition. As parents, step parents, I don't

:16:15.:16:20.

believe in stepparents, we are all parents, we want the for our

:16:21.:16:24.

children. He had something that he wanted to follow. Sometimes you

:16:25.:16:28.

protect your kids from themselves, even if they are adults. But if you

:16:29.:16:33.

close a door on them, they will find another one. If he had gone away

:16:34.:16:38.

with the feeling that we wanted to stop him going, we would never have

:16:39.:16:42.

been able to forgive ourselves that he went with animosity between us

:16:43.:16:47.

and that is what we did not want. We had some laughs before he went. I

:16:48.:16:54.

had a feeling that it was probably going to be the last time we saw

:16:55.:16:59.

him, because of words he spoke to us. He said he wanted to leave a

:17:00.:17:04.

will and he wanted everything right, so we did not have to worry about

:17:05.:17:12.

things, he wanted it his way. The one thing he said was that he would

:17:13.:17:18.

either die out there or he would stay until the end of the war, and

:17:19.:17:21.

then decide what to do. The death came first. How would you describe

:17:22.:17:33.

him? He was very quiet. With us. I have a son who is similar, ages to

:17:34.:17:38.

come in from work, say hello, have dinner, we would chat like a normal

:17:39.:17:42.

family, that he would go to his room. We would sit in bed at night

:17:43.:17:47.

and you could hear him laughing and giggling on his PlayStation with his

:17:48.:17:51.

friends, so I would class him as a normal lad, he would go to work, he

:17:52.:17:56.

was never any trouble, he never got into any trouble. A hell of a

:17:57.:18:01.

worker, he was a dairy farmer. He loved the job on the farm, he never

:18:02.:18:06.

had to be called, he was always up, he went into work, he did extra

:18:07.:18:11.

work, he loved the farm and the job, but he had so much time on his hands

:18:12.:18:15.

driving the tractor, he was listening to the conflict going on

:18:16.:18:19.

in Syria. And motivated I the injustices. I came into his life

:18:20.:18:26.

five years ago. One of the first conversations I had was about his

:18:27.:18:30.

mum. I wanted him to know that I was not trying to come in and be another

:18:31.:18:36.

mum to him. At the time he was just 18. From having two children of my

:18:37.:18:42.

own, you only get one mum. He had lost his will stop they were very

:18:43.:18:49.

close. That was one thing that affected him in his life, losing his

:18:50.:18:55.

mum. She was his everything. It was very hard for him to take, occurs he

:18:56.:19:00.

was on the Rangers when his mum passed, and we had to pull him back

:19:01.:19:06.

of exercise for me to tell him. She died very suddenly at 41, he could

:19:07.:19:10.

not accept that. He realised that people were dying of a waste of

:19:11.:19:17.

life, being killed in accidents. He felt life should be lived how you

:19:18.:19:22.

wanted. He went over to Syria. He spoke openly before he went the

:19:23.:19:27.

second time about how lovely the Kurdish people were, how the Syrians

:19:28.:19:30.

have treated him like a human being from day one, we have learned from

:19:31.:19:36.

some people that they don't just accept anyone, you have to learn

:19:37.:19:41.

their trust, and he was phenomenal at gaining trust. He was what he

:19:42.:19:46.

was. We dreaded him being martyred. He has been martyred. There are

:19:47.:19:53.

thousands martyred. My belief is the blood of the martyrs will be the

:19:54.:19:56.

foundations for a new Syria to rebuild Syria, and bring it back up

:19:57.:20:01.

to what it should be, a free country for people to visit. We

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wholeheartedly keep Dean in here and talk about him daily, because he was

:20:10.:20:16.

extraordinary. Thank you for telling us about him, thank you for coming

:20:17.:20:18.

on the programme. The head of a committee of MPs

:20:19.:20:20.

examining the collapse of BHS has asked the Pensions Regulator

:20:21.:20:24.

whether assets can be seized from its former

:20:25.:20:26.

owner Sir Philip Green. Assets like that Jock, for example.

:20:27.:20:38.

We will get reaction. We will get your reaction, thank

:20:39.:20:47.

you. We have comments about the former footballers who have raised

:20:48.:20:56.

-- waived their right to anonymity to talk about being abused as young

:20:57.:21:00.

boys by coaches. Chuck says, the man of the match is Paul Stewart, for

:21:01.:21:05.

his courage. Alf says, a sad interview with Paul Stuart, brave

:21:06.:21:11.

and courageous, best which is -- wishes. One person says, I have a

:21:12.:21:19.

similar story of being a victim by a football coach. I would have been

:21:20.:21:23.

about 11, in the late 80s, for a Sunday league team in the Midlands.

:21:24.:21:27.

The police were involved, he was later convicted. He was also further

:21:28.:21:30.

convicted of being abusive towards other boys. Alan says, there are

:21:31.:21:36.

ugly secrets, young lives ruined, I applaud all the players for their

:21:37.:21:39.

coverage. The Chancellor will set out

:21:40.:21:42.

a mini-Budget today, his first since he took up the role

:21:43.:21:44.

after Theresa May One of the key pledges he's expected

:21:45.:21:47.

to announce is a ban on up-front At the moment, tenants can be

:21:48.:21:53.

charged fees for a range of administration,

:21:54.:21:57.

including reference, Now, those costs will be

:21:58.:21:58.

shifted to landlords, saving 4.3 million households

:21:59.:22:02.

hundreds of pounds. The move could spur competition

:22:03.:22:07.

as landlords, unlike tenants, can Lettings-agency fees have already

:22:08.:22:10.

been banned in Scotland. Labour have welcomed the move,

:22:11.:22:17.

but say it doesn't go far enough. Former Labour leader Ed Milband

:22:18.:22:20.

on Twitter calls for a "cap It's an issue we talked

:22:21.:22:23.

about on the programme last week. We commissioned a survey,

:22:24.:22:28.

which suggested three quarters of people supported Government

:22:29.:22:30.

regulation on issues such as letting-agent fees,

:22:31.:22:33.

contract lengths, deposits and inventory checks,

:22:34.:22:36.

and nearly three quarters said they would support rent control,

:22:37.:22:39.

with the Government setting maximum Our reporter Chi Chi Izundu met

:22:40.:22:43.

with people struggling Trevor is 68, he is living

:22:44.:22:49.

on a state pension and housing benefit, which comes

:22:50.:23:01.

to ?950 a month. His last move cost him

:23:02.:23:05.

?4,000 in upfront fees. It is a very small kitchen,

:23:06.:23:14.

it has not got a full So we have a small mini oven,

:23:15.:23:17.

deep-fat fryer, a hot But with those things,

:23:18.:23:26.

I can cook a full dinner Divorced in his 50s,

:23:27.:23:30.

Trevor's ex-wife got the house, Last year, his landlord decided

:23:31.:23:37.

to sell, and he had to leave I had a month to find

:23:38.:23:42.

somewhere else. The biggest problem of that was

:23:43.:23:47.

that it costs money to move. By the time you have put

:23:48.:23:52.

down your deposit and you have paid rent in advance,

:23:53.:23:59.

estate-agent fees, as a pensioner I don't have that kind of money

:24:00.:24:04.

in a sock under the bed. If something had gone wrong,

:24:05.:24:08.

I would be really in dire straits. I was devastated, because I had

:24:09.:24:14.

not seen it coming. All of a sudden, I thought,

:24:15.:24:27.

"I have spent five years making a home in this place,

:24:28.:24:31.

and then all of a sudden I am being told to go, not

:24:32.:24:35.

wanted here anymore." I could be asked to leave this place

:24:36.:24:39.

and have to move all over again, with all of the financial

:24:40.:24:46.

implications that has. At my age, I don't want

:24:47.:24:49.

that kind of thing. We can talk now to the Shadow

:24:50.:24:56.

Housing Secretary John Healey. Do you welcome this move to ban

:24:57.:25:02.

the upfront fees imposed It is a good thing if that is what

:25:03.:25:13.

we get, we will back it, we have been campaigning for it for several

:25:14.:25:16.

years. The Chancellor may have a problem with some of his MPs, cos

:25:17.:25:21.

they have voted to block this several times. The Housing minister

:25:22.:25:25.

recently we did it was a bad idea. He is wrong, and the people are well

:25:26.:25:30.

ahead of the ministers. If we get the announcement, it is a good

:25:31.:25:35.

thing, but it is only a start to help private renters, who are often

:25:36.:25:39.

finding it really tough to survive. It may be a distant memory, but what

:25:40.:25:44.

the Labour Government do for private renters? One thing we did in the

:25:45.:25:50.

last year was to bring in a system that allowed councils to license

:25:51.:25:55.

private landlords, so they could crack down on the road landlords and

:25:56.:25:58.

improve standards across the board. Did it work? Yes, but the Government

:25:59.:26:04.

has made it more difficult and it is stopping councils doing this. It is

:26:05.:26:07.

what I wanted to the Government doing instead of stopping. They

:26:08.:26:13.

should also bring in, as we have argued, longer tenancies, and with a

:26:14.:26:20.

break to extreme rent rises during these periods. The letting agent

:26:21.:26:25.

fees are a start, but in the end we have to do a great deal more to

:26:26.:26:30.

build more affordable homes, for people to buy and rent. Why did you

:26:31.:26:34.

not do something about tenancies when in power, or about the cost of

:26:35.:26:39.

private renting? We did. We started to crack down on the worst of the

:26:40.:26:44.

landlords, we started to make sure there were consistent standards

:26:45.:26:47.

across the board, but even in the last six years the situation has got

:26:48.:26:51.

worse, we have 11 million people who are private renters, and the people

:26:52.:26:55.

that worry me most of the fact that we have one in four families with

:26:56.:27:00.

kids that are in private rented homes, and many of them may face the

:27:01.:27:04.

same thing as Trevor, a notice to quit within a month. It is the lack

:27:05.:27:10.

of security, and often rapidly rising costs but they cannot

:27:11.:27:12.

control, which require the Government to step in and do more

:27:13.:27:14.

than ban letting agent fees. If you rent, really keen

:27:15.:27:19.

to hear your views on plans to ban up-front letting-agent

:27:20.:27:22.

fees in England. I cannot imagine anybody would

:27:23.:27:30.

disagree. Also keen to hear from you if you

:27:31.:27:32.

run your own business in the UK. What do you want to hear

:27:33.:27:36.

from the Chancellor? Let's talk to four business owners

:27:37.:27:38.

to test the economic temperature Jo Smedley is the MD

:27:39.:27:41.

of murder-mystery-games entertainment company

:27:42.:27:44.

Red Herring in Grimsby. Anthony Impey runs tech

:27:45.:27:45.

company Optimity, employing Jude Jennison is the founder

:27:46.:27:47.

of the Leadership Whisperers, a management-training

:27:48.:27:51.

company in Warwickshire. Lynette Deutsch is the CEO

:27:52.:27:55.

of Executive Recruitment and coaching company Endaba

:27:56.:27:57.

here in London. You are here to help us test the

:27:58.:28:13.

economic temperature from your own point of view. How has business been

:28:14.:28:23.

since the referendum vote in June as Mac --? Initially we had a drop in

:28:24.:28:28.

sales post Brexit, but it has picked up again. We have spent a lot of

:28:29.:28:36.

time working with UKTI, the Department for International trade,

:28:37.:28:39.

trying to make is resilient, so we have seen more export. What about

:28:40.:28:45.

you? There is a general level of uncertainty that we have encountered

:28:46.:28:50.

amongst our clients. People are putting off making decisions. The

:28:51.:28:57.

impact possibly is not as significant as we had expected. But

:28:58.:29:01.

if your clients are putting off decisions, what impact does that

:29:02.:29:04.

have on your business? It slows down our growth, we were growing quickly

:29:05.:29:10.

prior to the vote, and we saw a bit of a tailing off, but not a

:29:11.:29:17.

collapse. Confidence is generally stable, but all of the business

:29:18.:29:23.

owners that I speak to our cautious about the future and everybody is

:29:24.:29:30.

taking steps to protect what might happen at some point in the future.

:29:31.:29:34.

You are both nodding, you both cautious? I don't know that we are

:29:35.:29:40.

ever cautious. One of the challenges of running a small business is you

:29:41.:29:44.

cannot be cautious, it is the hardest job you will ever do, and

:29:45.:29:48.

what it creates is both a challenge and an opportunity. We specialise in

:29:49.:29:53.

leading through uncertainty, so for us this is our bread-and-butter. But

:29:54.:29:58.

what we found is that clients have pulled back, and that has an impact.

:29:59.:30:02.

It means that we have to have much more creativity and innovation is a

:30:03.:30:08.

small business, and we can be much more agile and fast-growing and see

:30:09.:30:12.

it as an opportunity to find new markets. Very similar. Ours started

:30:13.:30:21.

just before the vote, a lot of our clients stopped doing anything. They

:30:22.:30:26.

used it as an excuse to put things on hold. When the vote occurred,

:30:27.:30:32.

they panicked. But since then, they realised the sky. Collapsed, and --

:30:33.:30:39.

they realised the sky has not collapsed. We are a service

:30:40.:30:43.

provider, very similar to Judy, and to Anthony. You find yourself being

:30:44.:30:51.

inputted by them. If you put things on hold, we are impacted, but it's

:30:52.:30:56.

all about the opportunity. Business as usual is the uncertainty -- is

:30:57.:31:02.

the answer. When you look ahead to next year, do you have any concerns?

:31:03.:31:12.

We are thinking of taking on a new staff member, but it is too early to

:31:13.:31:16.

decide whether we want to go ahead, because we don't know what will

:31:17.:31:19.

happen with the markets. We need to make sure we have enough money to

:31:20.:31:22.

pay them through the year, I don't want to take some of the on and have

:31:23.:31:27.

to let them go. You all agree. You are coming across similar issues? We

:31:28.:31:34.

need skilled people for our business to grow, so our biggest obstacle to

:31:35.:31:38.

growth is that we cannot recruit the skills that we need. My biggest

:31:39.:31:46.

concern concerning Brexit is that people of high skilled and mid

:31:47.:31:50.

skilled talent we have the moment disappears as European workers

:31:51.:31:56.

return to their countries and we are left with not enough high skilled

:31:57.:31:59.

people in the Labour force in order to support particularly small and

:32:00.:32:05.

medium-sized businesses. We are exposed.

:32:06.:32:11.

We are led to believe that if you have those kind of skills you are

:32:12.:32:19.

always going to be welcome. I think that's certainly the impression that

:32:20.:32:22.

we give. I think the fact of the matter is no one knows and for as

:32:23.:32:28.

long as nobody know there is uncertainty and really echoing what

:32:29.:32:31.

Joe is saying, it is difficult to plan for the future. So I think

:32:32.:32:35.

that's a big challenge. I think that's the challenge. We are living

:32:36.:32:38.

in a time of great uncertain rit and that uncertainty is going to be the

:32:39.:32:43.

new norm. So how we cope with the uncertainty is going to be the key

:32:44.:32:47.

to how successful we are going forward. Go on. I don't envy you, I

:32:48.:32:54.

really don't. It is flexibility, creativity and adaptability and

:32:55.:32:57.

rather than saying, "What could have been and what should have been." It

:32:58.:33:03.

is about looking forward. We've got to crack on. You also have to have

:33:04.:33:08.

courage. A lot of big businesses today they hunker down and I think

:33:09.:33:14.

one needs to be able to step into the unknown and do it courageously

:33:15.:33:20.

and we have to give it a go. If it works great, and if it doesn't...

:33:21.:33:24.

You learn from it and one has to look at the opportunities. We really

:33:25.:33:29.

do. We're growing internationally and that is helping a little bit,

:33:30.:33:35.

you know, we also want to take on new people, but the costs are

:33:36.:33:41.

growing and so, but it is all about being agile and innovative and

:33:42.:33:45.

constantly being relevant. If there is one thing, let me ask you

:33:46.:33:51.

quickly, one thing you would want to hear from the chancellor, Jo, what

:33:52.:33:55.

is it? An actual plan. We don't have any plans so you can't make any

:33:56.:34:00.

decisions. I don't think you will get a Brexit plan. Anthony

:34:01.:34:05.

Commitment to investing in skills. Confidence that we can lead through

:34:06.:34:09.

uncertainty. He will say that. But real confidence and mean it and

:34:10.:34:14.

embody it. Greater clarity. On? On everything. That would be amazing!

:34:15.:34:22.

Yes, it would. He will stand up after PMQs, so let's look out for

:34:23.:34:25.

the clarity. All the best with your businesses,

:34:26.:34:26.

of course, thank you. The Government says measures to help

:34:27.:35:04.

low-paid workers will be focus of the chancellor's

:35:05.:35:07.

Autumn Statement, this afternoon. pounds fifty an hour,

:35:08.:35:13.

and will reduce some of the proposed He's also expected to say that more

:35:14.:35:17.

affordable homes will be built, and up-front letting

:35:18.:35:21.

agents' fees banned. The shadow Chancellor,

:35:22.:35:22.

John McDonnell, said more investment The chairman of Crewe Alexandra

:35:23.:35:24.

Football Club has confirmed that it's looking into historic

:35:25.:35:28.

allegations of abuse involving Former Crewe Alexandra player

:35:29.:35:30.

Andy Woodward told us last week in an exclusive interview that he'd

:35:31.:35:33.

been raped hundreds of times by his youth coach Barry Bennell,

:35:34.:35:36.

who was jailed in 1998. A second man has come forward to say

:35:37.:35:40.

he too had been abused by Bennell. A 72-year-old woman

:35:41.:35:46.

from Liverpool is being treated in hospital after being shot

:35:47.:35:48.

in the leg last night. A group of teenagers stabbed an off

:35:49.:35:57.

duty police officer in is London last night. They attacked the

:35:58.:36:00.

plainclothes police officer near a pub yesterday evening. He is in

:36:01.:36:04.

hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. What else do you know? The

:36:05.:36:13.

policeman was on a preplanned operation, but he was plainclothes.

:36:14.:36:20.

The Dukes would not have known he was a policeman when they approached

:36:21.:36:27.

him. He was in an alleyway near the Bow Bells pub in East London. They

:36:28.:36:31.

approached him just before 9:30pm. He suffered three stab wounds. He

:36:32.:36:37.

was taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. The

:36:38.:36:41.

police don't know if it is linked to another incident in which a motorist

:36:42.:36:47.

was threatened with a knife outside the Devens Road rail station. They

:36:48.:36:50.

are appealing for witnesses. I mail is in custody, his age is unknown,

:36:51.:36:58.

he was arrested on attempted murder, but it is not able to be a terror

:36:59.:37:00.

related incident. Let's get some sport

:37:01.:37:08.

from Leah Boleto. Harry Kane's penalty was not enough,

:37:09.:37:21.

but they still can secure a third place position and a spot in the

:37:22.:37:26.

Europa League with a draw in their final group match.

:37:27.:37:30.

Leicester City made history last night making the knock-out stages

:37:31.:37:37.

for the first time ever with this opening goal. Despite a Man of the

:37:38.:37:45.

Match performance and two tries against Fiji, a key player has been

:37:46.:37:50.

left out of England's squad to play Argentina on Saturday. Scotland's

:37:51.:37:55.

women have continued their 100% record at European Churlg

:37:56.:38:01.

Championships in Glasgow. One more line for you, in the last

:38:02.:38:06.

half an hour, Fifa's disciplinary committee announced the opening of

:38:07.:38:09.

proceedings against the Irish Football Association and the

:38:10.:38:12.

Football Association of Wales. This is in relation to incidents

:38:13.:38:16.

involving the display of poppy symbols during recent internationals

:38:17.:38:19.

and of course, we will bring you more on that on the BBC News Channel

:38:20.:38:22.

throughout the day. From me, that's all for now.

:38:23.:38:28.

Donald Trump has repudiated the fringe "alt-right" group that

:38:29.:38:30.

celebrated his election win with Nazi salutes.

:38:31.:38:34.

Hail Trump. Hail our people. Hail victory. They hate political

:38:35.:38:43.

correctness and femmed nism and love Donald Trump. Their critics say they

:38:44.:38:47.

are nothing, but bigoted white nationals, who are the Alt-right?

:38:48.:38:52.

The Alt-right came to pram nans during Donald Trump's long election

:38:53.:38:56.

campaign, it is a desperate group of people with no official organisation

:38:57.:38:59.

or leader. They are nationalist and they are antiestablishment. Their

:39:00.:39:03.

followers are fond of internet pranks and using offensive messages

:39:04.:39:06.

to goad their enemies on both the right and the left. The movement has

:39:07.:39:12.

branches in other countries, include in the UK. Many of them are huge

:39:13.:39:18.

supporters of Donald Trump. During the election campaign Hillary

:39:19.:39:23.

Clinton criticised Mr Trump for his ties to who she called the rising

:39:24.:39:28.

ideology of the Alt-right. From the start Donald Trump has built his

:39:29.:39:34.

campaign on prejudice and paranoia. He is taking hate groups mainstream.

:39:35.:39:41.

Many people within the movement admitted to attract some races, but

:39:42.:39:50.

deny that's the main theme of the movement's idea. This is how some

:39:51.:39:55.

Alt-right celebrated Donald Trump's election win. Hail Trump. Hail our

:39:56.:40:01.

people. Hail victory. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

:40:02.:40:08.

The man you saw speaking there was the group's leader, Richard spap

:40:09.:40:14.

Sensor. He wasn't elected on Obamacare. This is why he was

:40:15.:40:18.

elected is because he was the identity president. We know Muslims

:40:19.:40:23.

hate everyone... Alt-right have got the support of this man, he runs the

:40:24.:40:29.

Breitbart website which has been linked to the Alt-right movement.

:40:30.:40:35.

You can define it to include classical liberals, leftists,

:40:36.:40:41.

ordinary Conservatives and this new, young, very, very energised youthful

:40:42.:40:45.

contingent that have suddenly become interested in politics again. Donald

:40:46.:40:50.

Trump has appointed Stephen bannon the editor-in-chief of the Breitbart

:40:51.:40:57.

website as his chief strategist. Now Mr Trump has distanced himself from

:40:58.:41:00.

the group which celebrated his election win with Nazi salutes. In

:41:01.:41:07.

an interview with the New York Times he said, "I condemn." . Condemn

:41:08.:41:11.

them." We can talk now to Scott Lucas who

:41:12.:41:16.

is Professor of American Politics Who are the Alt-right? Let's call it

:41:17.:41:26.

what it is. Whether you call it white identity, while nationalism,

:41:27.:41:31.

this is a movement which we have seen in the new media age, but it

:41:32.:41:36.

does happen to older movements. Where I grew up we had white citizen

:41:37.:41:46.

leagues and this is not true of all people who support Donald Trump or

:41:47.:41:51.

the views of white supremacy, this is a group that's anti-Muslim and

:41:52.:41:56.

anti-Semitic and sometimes anti-Catholic and sometimes

:41:57.:42:00.

anti-women. As your reporter made clear, it is not separate from

:42:01.:42:05.

Trump's campaign. It is there through Steve Bannon who said

:42:06.:42:12.

Breitbart News is a platform. Now Mr Trump has distanced himself from

:42:13.:42:17.

them, is that enough? No, Trump was being naive or deceptive because

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Trump said, "I would never have hired Steve Bannon if I thought he

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was Alt-right." Steve Bannon has openly said he is part of the

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Alt-right and that he promotes it. He said so in August, a week before

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he joined Trump's campaign team. So, no, Trump is trying out a bit of PR

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yesterday, but he has not effectively distanced himself from

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the movement. Do you think that the number of white people in America,

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at any point, is going to become a minority and therefore the Alt-right

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movement is only going to continue to grow? Well, the first question is

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almost certainly is that because of the expansion of other groups,

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African Americans, Hispanic, and marbian-Americans, there will be a

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more diverse America where whites are not the majority. Does that mean

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the Alt-right become stronger? It is up to Americans. Americans can take

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a stand and say, "Look, we are not simply going to be a white identity

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nation. We believe in defending the rights of all people whatever their

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colour, whatever their religion. " It is going to have to be a

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grass-roots response to really confront some of the more extreme

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elements that you talked about your video about the money which is

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saying a country for whites and no one else. Thank you very much. Thank

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you. Scott Lucas, Professor of American politics at the University

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of Birmingham. Meanwhile President Obama has

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praised American comedian Ellen DeGeneres for her influence

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on the gay rights movement as she received the country's

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highest civilian honour. Ellen DeGeneres has a way of making

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you laugh about something rather than at someone! Except when I

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danced on her show, she laughed at me!

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LAUGHTER But that's OK. It is easy to forget

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now, when we've come so far, or now marriage is equal under the law,

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just how much courage was required for Ellen to come out on the most

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public of stages almost 20 years ago, just how important it was. Not

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just to the LGBT community, but for all of us to see somebody so full of

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kindness and light, somebody we liked so much, somebody who could be

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our neighbo or our colleague or our sister, challenge our own

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assumptions and remind us that we have more in common than we realise,

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push our country in the direction of justice. What an incredible burden

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that was to bear, to risk your career like that. People don't do

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that very often. And then to have the hopes of

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millions on your shoulders. But it is like Ellen says, we all want a

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chip that can support the weight of guatmoli which really makes no sense

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to me! LAUGHTER

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But I thought would break the mood because I was getting kind of choked

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up! She did pay a price, we don't

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remember this. For a pretty long stretch of time. Even in Hollywood.

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And yet today, every day in every way, she counters what to often

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divides us with the countless things that bind us together and inspires

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us to be better. One joke, one dance at a time.

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Tom Hanks, Robert De Niro and Michael Jordan were among the 21

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recipient of the presidential medal of Freedom.

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News Justin, the jury trying the case of Stephen Porte, accused of

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killing four young men with fatal doses of the date rape drug -- GH B,

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is beginning to return some of its verdict. In the last minute he has

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been found guilty at the Old Bailey of the murders of three men. The

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alleged serial killer has been found guilty in the last couple of minutes

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of the murders of three young men. He was on trial, accused of the

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murders of four men with fatal doses of the date rape joke GHB. -- drug.

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There are verdict is still to come in, but a jury has found him guilty

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of the murder of three men. I am just hearing that the jury has also

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found him guilty of three rapes as well. They are considering other

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charges as we speak, we will bring them to you when we have them.

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Two more footballers have waived their right to anonymity

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to reveal the abuse they suffered at the hands of a youth coach.

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The story has emerged following our exclusive interview

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with former Crewe Alexandra player Andy Woodward, who told us last week

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he'd been raped hundreds of times by former youth coach Barry Bennell.

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Andy spoke to us again yesterday and said he'd spoken to six players

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who've since told him they too have experienced abuse.

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I have been inundated with not only be six people that I have spoken to

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directly, but also direct messages from other players who have told me

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that... So many stories, heartbreaking, I have been so

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emotional. They are harrowing, they have reached out to me and thanked

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me so much for coming out originally. It has given them that

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faith. You have spoken to six, but other contact via Twitter. In total,

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how many people have got in touch with you? Several people that have

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contacted me. I can't put a number on it. They vary in what they have

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said. They all footballers? Yes, former footballers. Did they say

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that they found the courage to speak out because you had? Absolutely,

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that is what they have said, because of what I said, it has given them

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courage and belief and strength to come out and say yet. Cheshire

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police say they are investigating. Is this the tip of the iceberg? I

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have said it all along, it is. But some people it will take a long time

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for them to come out or speak. There is no rush. The police have started

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their investigation, and I don't want to put pressure on anybody. I

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came out with a long view for other people to survive from this. I

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cannot thank the public enough for what they have done. It is

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brilliant, I can't thank them for the support they have given me

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enough. Andy Woodward also told us

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he was disappointed his old club Crewe hadn't spoken out

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about the abuse. Since then, John Bowler,

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the Crewe chairman since 1987, told our sports editor Dan Roan

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an inquiry is underway at Crewe into the crimes Barry Bennell

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committed while at the club. Infuriated. And very disappointed.

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Your message to the victims? We are understandably distressed for them

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and by the accusations that have been made. Looking back, was there

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anything you could have done to prevent this? When we have done our

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enquiries and looked into the detail of the various accusations and we

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have considered them all, then I will be in a position to answer that

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kind of question. Your message to Andy Woodward? I am very sorry for

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the distress he has been caused and wish him well.

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Steve Walters, who became Crewe's youngest-ever

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player at the age of 16, tells the Guardian he too

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He told the Guardian, "All these years I've had

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But I want closure, and I know this move will help me move on."

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The Daily Mirror devotes its first five pages to claims by the former

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Spurs and England star Paul Stewart that a different coach abused him

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every day for four years, until he was 15.

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He says his attacker got away with it by threatening

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to kill his relatives if he ever told anyone.

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He blames the abuse for drink and drug problems

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He asked if I wanted to drive the car.

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It started from touching and then developed more and more into sexual

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abuse and the threats of violence towards your family,

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if you were to breathe a word to anybody.

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He said he was going to kill your brothers?

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Of course, all those years you were playing at the top level,

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Paul Gascoigne and these enormous household names,

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Even as you were enjoying great success, you were dealing with it

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and having suicidal thoughts as a result?

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In football there are lots of highs and lows, which you deal

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with as part of the game, and I dealt with this

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It took me some years to speak to my family about it, my wife.

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I struggled and still struggle to this day with the issues.

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I'm lucky that I have a strong family.

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Because I don't really know if I would have been around today.

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The most difficult thing is the fact I was unable to deal

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with the emotions and I still struggle with that today.

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By the way, the Mirror did give us permission to use that interview,

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and Paul Stewart had waived his right to

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Gordon Taylor met Andy Woodward yesterday, do you think it is the

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tip of the iceberg? I would suggest it is going to be into double

:53:31.:53:37.

figures, from what I am hearing, since Andy has come out, we will see

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more and more players have the confidence to come out and the

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courage to come out. But it will take some time. With regard to Andy,

:53:46.:53:53.

he was in touch with our confidential helpline last year, he

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had quite a number of counselling sessions and advice from trained

:54:00.:54:05.

specialists. It has had the courage and confidence to come out as part

:54:06.:54:13.

of a healing process, and we are now meeting up with other such players

:54:14.:54:16.

and looking to counsel and advise them with regard to the current

:54:17.:54:23.

situation and the future. Could this man be the Jimmy Savile of the

:54:24.:54:30.

football world? As we have seen in other professions, you have seen it

:54:31.:54:37.

at the BBC, that it has been in a lot of areas, where there are adults

:54:38.:54:41.

in responsible positions over children, and they have exploited

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that position with abuse, and it is very harrowing, it is obviously

:54:49.:54:56.

disturbing to deal with, but we are looking to make sure that this is in

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the past, and we have got to be mindful that this does not happen in

:55:03.:55:06.

the present, and to heed what has happened. There are more

:55:07.:55:13.

safeguarding issues at play now but the FA and with the football league

:55:14.:55:17.

and the Premier League, but it is something that we need to be

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extremely vigilant on. And learn from the past. Gordon Taylor, the

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head of the PFA. Let's go live to the Old Bailey, the

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trial of Stephen Port. What have you heard? The jury have been out since

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Monday last week, and last night they came back and said they had

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agreed unanimously on some of the charges but not others, so the judge

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put them back and put all of the indictments to them, and they gave

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verdict on some of them. Stephen Port, a chef from East London, faced

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29 charges, including drugging, rape, sexual assault and four

:56:07.:56:11.

murders. The jury had found him guilty of three of those murders,

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all against young gay men in their early 20s, all in about a year's

:56:18.:56:22.

period. The jury also found him guilty of some of the drugging, rape

:56:23.:56:28.

and sexual assault charges. Seven drugging offences, free sexual

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assaults and three rapes. They could not agree on the other charges, the

:56:32.:56:36.

judge has sent them away to good to do their deliberations and has given

:56:37.:56:39.

them a direction he will accept a majority verdict. The verdicts we

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know about, three men, Gabriel Kovari, Daniel Whitworth and Jack

:56:51.:56:53.

Taylor, all killed close to his flat. They all had strikingly

:56:54.:56:57.

similar details about their deaths, they had all been picked up on apps,

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taken up to Stephen Port's flat and given lethal overdoses of jihadi B.

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Gabriel Kovari was killed in August 2014, he is a Slovakian, and Daniel

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Whitworth was 21, just a month later, both were found 500 metres

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away from Stephen Port's flat in a churchyard, by the same dog walker.

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A day later, Jack Taylor, 25, from Dagenham, was also killed, given an

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overdose. His family were in court, many of the family members were,

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there were tears of the verdicts were read out, Stephen Port stud

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impassively in the dock. The jury have gone away to knew their

:57:45.:57:48.

deliberations, they have been out since Monday, they have agreed

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unanimously verdicts on three murders a range of other charges,

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they continue their deliberations on the rest now.

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To reiterate, a jury has found Stephen Port guilty of the murders

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of three young gay men, Jack Taylor, Daniel Whitworth and Gabriel Kovari.

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More reaction tomorrow to the case. 24 watching. We are back tomorrow at

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