08/12/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

It's been called the most serious form

of corruption facing the police service.

Hundreds of officers and staff stand accused of sexually exploiting

people they're meant to be helping, including victims of crime.

after they made him sign a gagging clause to keep quiet

about the sexual abuse he suffered at the club.

Gary Johnson, the player in question, joins us live.

Plus more criticism of the FA from families who say their concerns

Knife crime is on the rise across the UK, and police say most

of those caught carrying blades have no links to gangs.

We'll have a special report and hear how the problem

It's really difficult to be a young person and see the victim

and murderer and know them both and to not really know what to say

because you're saying rest in peace to the person that died,

but you also know the person that did it.

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and if you text, you will be charged An inspection of police forces

in England and Wales has revealed that more than 300 officers

and staff have been accused - over a two year period -

of using their position to sexually exploit people, including

victims of crime. The Inspectorate of Constabulary

said the abuse of authority for sexual advantage was now

the "most serious" form of corruption facing

the police service. Our Home Affairs Correspondent

Danny Shaw has more. PC Stephen Mitchell,

jailed in 2011 for raping and indecently assaulting

vulnerable women he met But a report has found since then,

hundreds of other police officers have been accused of abusing their

power to sexually exploit people. The vulnerability of the victims

is what makes this type You might have women who officers

encounter as victims of domestic There might be women that police

officers have arrested in the course of their duties, and in a few cases,

there might be vulnerable The common factor, if you like,

is a relationship of power They are there as the guardian

and they become an abuser. In the two years to the end

of March, 334 police officers and staff were accused

of sexual offences. But the watchdog found

fewer than half, 48%, were referred to the Independent

Police Complaints Commission. The Constabulary says previous

allegations should now be reviewed should now be reviewed

and considered for referral. The report was commissioned

by Theresa May when she was Home It acknowledges that most officers

and staff work with integrity and honesty, but warns that some

police forces are still failing to recognise the alleged abuse

as a serious form of corruption. The National Police Chiefs' Council

agrees police must be more proactive in rooting out such behaviour,

and says it is developing a national strategy to help

all forces to do so. Let's talk to our home affairs

correspondent Danny Shaw. So the most significant issue in terms of

police corruption facing the service in England and Wales? Yes, most of

us have a view of corruption is something that involves money, Brown

envelopes, bribing people and so on. But actually, this is a form of

corruption because the police officers are abusing their position,

their status and power. And they are undermining trust in the police

service. And they are using it to sexually exploit people in a way

that has a terrible effect on victims and a corrosive effect on

public confidence in policing. How big is the issue? You have seen the

figures in that report. We don't know whether that figure has gone up

or down in recent years. The suggestion is that the problem is

under reported. There is also a concern about what happens to police

officers when they are accused of these offences. As we saw in the

report, fewer than half of cases are referred to the independent police

's commission and over a one-year period, there were something like 60

to 70 officers who left the service as a result of allegations

concerning sexual conduct. So it looks like there are many who are

perhaps not being dealt with through the disciplinary system. But you

have to remember that in some cases, suspects will make allegations

against police because they want to get off the charges or because they

are facing serious consequences. So undoubtedly, some of the allegations

may be false and we have to bear that in mind.

Now a summary of the rest of the day's news.

There's been more criticism of the Football Association over how

it has responded to allegations of sexual abuse in the 1990s.

Ian Ackley, who was abused by a man with links to Manchester City,

has told this programme that his father's calls for better

Letters seen by the BBC suggest the organisation,

which runs football in England, was waiting for a change in the law

before it updated its child protection policies.

MPs have voted overwhelmingly in favour of the Government's plan

to start formal talks on Brexit by the end of March next year.

The majority of MPs also supported a Labour motion requiring

the Government to reveal an outline of its plans for leaving the EU.

Let's get more from our political guru Norman Smith.

Iain Duncan Smith has been talking about Labour having given the

government some sort of blank cheque now, but it is not as simple as

that, is it? It is not as simple as that, but many Brexit supporting MPs

are jubilant because they believe this is a historic moment, when

Labour has agreed to Brexit and to Mrs May's timetable. If you look at

some of the Brexit supporting papers, Downing Street have sought

to play it down, saying last night's vote was not binding. If the Supreme

Court decide they're still has to be legislation, that could Trump last

night's motion. Inside Labour circles, there is anguish from some.

Among them former Cabinet minister Ben Bradshaw. I was not prepared

yesterday to commit myself to what I believed to be a rushed and ill

thought through timetable, given the German and French elections. It

would have been more sensible to invoke article 50 after the German

elections. There can be no serious negotiations until after that, which

gives us just a year to negotiate the biggest negotiation this country

has ever had to achieve. So around one last night to Theresa May, but

the big question is, what will the Supreme Court decides? They had

their last day of the hearing today. If they say legislation is needed to

trigger article 50, opposition MPs will pile into a that, which could

delay or even thwart Mrs May's plans. Norman, thank you.

New research suggests that some sufferers of psychotic illnesses -

like schizophrenia - may in fact have a treatable

In a nationwide study, scientists at the University

of Oxford found up to one in 11 cases of psychosis may

involve a condition where antibodies attack the brain.

The team suggested that all patients displaying signs of psychosis

for the first time should be screened for the antibodies

to see if alternative treatments may be possible.

This programme has learned that the number of people seriously

injured or killed by knife crime has risen nearly 10% across the UK in

Previously, much of the knife crime was believed to have been

gang-related, but the Metropolitan Police say three quarters of

incidents in London last year were carried out

by people not associated with organised groups.

One boy has told this programme some people carry knives just

You are not always going to be with your friends, so you will not have

someone to back you. And in those situations, that may seem like an

alternative. That is why they carry it in the first place. They are

thinking if there is a sign of danger, I will pull it out and do

something and then get rid of it. Online adverts promoting food high

in sugar and salt to children In a move to tackle obesity,

brands will no longer be able to show their products on websites

where under-16s make up But the Children's Food Campaign has

warned that some of the most popular social media sites may not be

covered by the rules as children make up less

than 25% of their users. Donald Trump has chosen a climate

change sceptic to run the US Scott Pruitt, the attorney-general

of the oil-rich state of Oklahoma, is seen as a close ally

of the fossil fuel industry. The number of giraffes has

fallen so dramatically over the past 30 years,

they are now vulnerable The International Union

for the Conservation of Nature has included the animals on its latest

Red List of the most threatened species -

after seeing the population fall Habitat loss, poaching

and civil unrest have been That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30. We've got a film coming

up on knife crime - really interested ot hear

from you if you've been a vicitm of knife crime,

if you've carried a knife, or you come across knives

in the course of doing your job - Let me know what you would do to try

and reduce the menace of knives The police are saying it is no

longer about young people in gangs, it is about individuals thinking

they need to carry a knife to keep them safe. Do what that after 9.30

and let me know your experiences. Let's get some sport now

with Hugh Woozencroft - and news this morning

about the complaints made against British Cycling boss

Shane Sutton by cyclist Yes, Jess Varnish says she is upset

to find out the former technical director of British Cycling Shane

Sutton was found guilty of using one offensive and derogatory term, but

cleared of eight of the nine complaints she made against him.

That included Jess Varnish's claimed that he told her to go and have a

baby. Sutton was also cleared of bullying allegations and denies all

of the claims made against him. Although he has left his job,

Varnish said in a statement yesterday that it was heartbreaking

that the majority of her claims were not upheld and that she had always

told the truth. Here is our sports editor Dan Roan on what this could

mean. Context is important, and we don't know about that yet, but it

will surprise many that this transgression alone was deemed

enough to have costs of them his career. Both sides are furious.

Varnish said she was shocked by what she called a heartbreaking finding.

Sutton has made no comment. His appeal will go ahead and she will

now appeal as well, so both sides will take action. In the middle,

British Cycling are seeing demands to produce more evidence and plunge

both sides into turmoil. More now on the cricket. We would talk about

Durham's Keaton Jennings. He's just 24 years old and was only called up

last week because Haseeb Hameed broke and in the third test. Born in

Johannesburg and the sun of former South Africa player and coach Ray

Jennings, Keaton actually played his youth cricket representing South

Africa's under 19s. The opening batsman had a little wobble, though.

He was dropped before he had scored a single one and I am sure he was

feeling the nerves then. But they settled well. He showed coolness and

superb technique to make a test century in his first innings.

England are now 209-2, having won the toss, but with serious work to

do. They must win both remaining matches to level the series. And the

highlights from last night's Champions League matches? There were

contrasting fortunes for the Premier League sides who played last night.

Spurs were already out of the competition but a 3-1 win over CSKA

Moscow at Wembley did at least guarantee them a place in the

second-tier Europa League. Premier League champions Leicester were

already through to the knockout stages as group winners, but it was

a disappointing night for them, beaten 5-0 by Portuguese giants

Porto. Manager Claudio Ranieri blame himself after making five changes.

The draw for the next round will be made on Monday. Thank you very much.

Chelsea FC have apologised in person to one of their own ex-players

who they subjected to a gagging clause after he told them

he was sexually abused by a coach at the club.

Just last year Gary Johnson was paid ?50,000 to keep his

the assaults he suffered secret - but the club lifted

the confidentialty agreement last week, apologising profusely.

We'll talk to Gary Johnson in a moment about his meeting

with members of the Chelsea board last night.

But first - more criticism of the Football Association for how

it responded back then to allegations of sexual abuse.

We've been speaking to a former youth player who was abused

in the 1980s by a coach linked to Manchester City.

The player says the FA and the Government reacted

"dismissively and arrogantly" when his father raised serious

concerns about child safety in the game.

This is a man called Ian Ackley. He waived his right to anonymity in

1997, as an abuse victim, to speak to a Channel 4 documentary about the

abuse. He has waved it again to speak to us today. In 1997, the

documentary was very important. It was the first substantial

investigation into these allegations. In many ways, Ian

Ackley was one of the first young players to come forward publicly and

talk about this. It was after that programme was broadcast, act in

January 1997, that his father started writing letters to anyone

and everyone that could do something about this. We have copies of some

of them here. There were literally dozens and dozens, to MPs,

government departments and to the Football Association, raising

concerns not just about his son's case, but about the wider state of

child safety. And he was not impressed with the response? Not at

all. Sadly, his dad passed away a couple of years ago. You get a sense

of the frustration he was feeling. In this one, he is talking about the

FA and he thought they would be most anxious to tackle this problem, but

the organisation hardly bursts with concern for either matters past or

future. We talked to his son, the man who was abused as a boy, about

the response he felt his family received, not just from the Football

Association, but from other associations, after the documentary

went out and the letters were written.

I could use the term flat. It was noncommittal some organisations

admitted there were issues out there, but it was always somebody

else's problem. The FA can't do it because they are waiting for

government legislation, government legislation takes a long time to

roll out and it is a complex matter. We recognise these problems...

Pretty dismissive, at best. There is nothing that relates to any time

frame, detail about actually what is going to be done. There is no

collaboration, no insight as to what the thoughts are, where do you think

we might be able to make changes? No approach, very much working in

isolation, giving you snippets of information to appease you, so at

least you have a response of some sort. I think they thought that was

adequate, they were doing their job I just responding. When you look

back at some of the letters, is it fair to say the tone feels like you

are being brushed...? Very dismissive in that respect. Almost

like we are dealing with it, it is not your business. We are who knows

what they are doing, we will tell you where we are going, but that is

it. I think it is very ignorant or organisations to take that

standpoint. They are not expected to be experts in child safeguarding,

they are sporting people. Surely you look to the experts for advice? To

be dismissive of those showing concern, raising these points, it

seems very ignorant and not appropriate to the situation. We are

talking about children, you know? People that need us to protect them.

I don't think you can get more serious than that.

Not only was I affected when I was abused, but when I,

my dad, Deborah Davis and the Dispatches programme tried

to bang this drum extremely loudly, we were ignored for the second time.

We are now in 2016, almost 20 years later,

banging the same drum that we were banging back then.

These are some of the letters we are talking about. This is just a small

example. We were around his house yesterday and he has dozens and

dozens of these, a huge pile. There is one to the Home Office,

want to Michael Howard MP. There was a letter he had a copy of, from the

then chief executive of the FA, Graham Kelly. He sent to Ian

Ackley's father, various secretaries of clubs in the FA, dear sir, child

protection of children is an issue that the Football Association sees

as one of the utmost importance. This is the kind of information, the

rhetoric that was coming out at the time. The argument that he and had

was that they were saying the right things, but he felt they were

getting brushed off. They were not take any complaints seriously, no

dates were being given, not enough was being done. More claims about

the FA, this time about criminal record checks? Goes to what he was

just saying. That is a really interesting issue. We have been

speaking to people who said that the FA was far too slow to bring these

in four people working with children around this time, the end of the

90s, the beginning of the 2000s. These checks do not just include

information about convictions, it is called soft intelligence. If a local

police force has a concern about somebody, but it might not have gone

as far as going to court and getting a conviction. This is relatively

new? In a way, before 2002, it was only schools, local authorities,

statutory organisations that have put these in place. There was a way

around it at the time. In 1994, there was a pilot project set up by

the Home Office that did allow some children's charities to access the

information. That was both for their own staff, to make sure they were

compliant, but also on behalf of other people. We have been speaking

to one of the charities involved in the pilot, a group called Fair Play

For Children. They said the document you had gone out, they were being

contacted by local youth leagues saying, look, can you check the

coach, the referee, people like that which we have working for us? They

checked 50 people, 49 were fine, one, the police had concerns. This

person was barred from the club, removed. A year and a half later he

was convicted of child sex offences. This charity was saying, we had a

system that was working back then and proven to work. But it was not

extended? This is the issue. The charity said they tried to extend

it, they wrote to the FA. But they felt they were knocked back and

knocked back. The person in charge of the charity even claims that the

FA tried to block other youth clubs and leagues from taking part in the

project. It was the FA and its principal

person who I was warned had shut us down and was doing

all they could to keep people away. My attitude was this,

it was no reason other You can't do that

with child protection. When I wrote to the chief executive,

I got the bum's rush of an answer We should have had a relationship

with the FA which would have done But more importantly, of course,

it's the kids who come first, And this is what we learned

from other scandals, particularly the sporting scandal

in America, with the Penn State It was the reputation

of the organisation, Too much jobsworth going on and not

enough actual concern for the kids. What did the FA say? They say they

don't feel it is right to comment on every allegation, because there is

an independent investigation in place to deal with allegations of

abuse and how the FA responded. They did eventually bring in compulsory

checks for people working with children, but not until 2003. We

think some of them were even going until 2007. That is ten years after

Ian Ackley and his son were raising concerns. Thank you very much.

Let's talk now to ex-Chelsea player Gary Johnson about the club paying

him ?50,000 to keep his sexual abuse ordeal a secret.

The 57-year-old went to the club to tell them about the abuse

he suffered at the hands of chief scout Eddie Heath,

who was the club's chief scout from 1968 to 1979,

Chelsea paid Mr Johnson and included in the agreement

a confidentialty clause, meaning Gary Johnson had to keep quiet

Yesterday, Chelsea board memebers finally met Mr Johnson face to face.

Gary Johnson, who says he was assaulted by Heath hundreds

of times from the age of 13, is here now alongside

Thank you for coming on the programme. What happened in the

meeting with the chairman of Chelsea yesterday? Very humble. Basically,

apologised for the way they have handled it. Admitted that we may be

should have met 18 months ago. Apologising for the way they handled

it, rather than the abuse? Also the abuse I have suffered with the club.

I pointed out I have nothing against the new regime. What happened, I

appreciate, was years ago. They were very profusely sorry to myself and

my wife for the suffering we had gone through. They also admitted

there were mistakes in the jargon between solicitors and insurance

papers, and such. Leading to the gagging clause? They thought it was

for my benefit. That is what they told you yesterday? Yes. They call

this a mutual agreement. To me, it wasn't. I have not agreed to that.

Was that apology enough? Is an apology enough? Probably too little,

too late. We just have to see it as it is. An apology is an apology.

Right now, I will take that. When you signed that confidentiality

agreement, what were you thinking when they wanted you to keep quiet

about the abuse you have suffered? With the document, I was basically

pushed into a corner. The wording, from the solicitors and insurance

companies, it was basically stating the fact that there is the money, to

have the money you have to sign this. So I signed it. I agreed with

my solicitor to say, OK, if that is what they want, that is what they

can have. Do you think ?50,000 from a club worth billions, paying some

of its players over ?100,000 a week, is enough? Nowhere near for the pain

and suffering. No. Definitely not. What would have been a more

appropriate some? Couldn't put a figure on it. Couldn't really put a

figure on it. I wasn't looking that way anyway, at the beginning. It

just happened. So, you know, you can't put noughts on anything. It is

not going to bring anything back. Did the subject of money, yesterday?

No. Do you think they should give you more? Yes, to build a better

life for me and my wife, to get back to normality. Yes, personally, I do.

Would make a difference to you, if they more? If it would make life a

bit easier and give us some retirement, I suppose, a bit of

peace. The help that he needs to get time to get the help we need. He has

been too busy looking after me over the last 18 months, and previous to

that, the children. Yes, it would make a huge difference to our life.

But that is not what this is all about. It is the suffering that Gary

has really suffered. And not just Gary, I should imagine many of the

other families involved in this, they are suffering even as we speak.

For as long as you have known Gary, he has been suffering the impact of

what happened to him as a boy? Yes, without a doubt. Give us an insight

into how he has been, over the decades. It started when he was 28.

He actually told me. Then I noticed, early in the relationship, that his

depression was quite dark. His anger was quite quick. I put it down to,

he was still playing football, I put it down to the football. He was also

doing The Knowledge. I put it down to pressure. As time went on, it got

worse. It has got so worse over the last few years, in one year, when

you added up the amount of time he did not speak to me, personally, it

was about five months in one year, he never spoke to me. You know,

three months, then another four weeks where he would turn on a

sixpence, get angry and going to this deep, black depression. It was

only when he was diagnosed that I fully understood what was causing

it. I thought he had bipolar, he was manic depressive. I didn't connect,

join the dots up, to see what was causing his behaviour. He is still

prone to this, even this morning. When he knows he has two... When it

is coming up, when he has to talk about things. How do you reflect on

what happened to you as a boy? It took my youth away, it took my

childhood, without a doubt. That is never going to come back. They label

everything today, you don't understand, you can't understand

what you are going through and why you are going through it. The tears,

you wake up one day crying, on your own, and you can't understand why

that is. You have been diagnosed with PTSD? Yes, that came as quite a

shock. As I say, they put a label on why this was happening. Cutting to

understand it a little bit better -- getting to understand it a bit

better, it is not going to be overnight, it will need some

counselling. Get the start period out of the way and move forward.

Do you think other clubs could have paid other former players to keep

quiet about the abuse they experienced? There could be some

truth in them statements, without a doubt. And do you think there are

yet more players still to come out and speak publicly? Most definitely,

probably in the hundreds. Without a doubt. There is a lot now in the

background that don't want to come forward, which I obviously can

understand. But the guys that have come forward that open all this up,

very brave guys, having to live with this. Definitely. I wonder what you

think of our story yesterday, and yesterday, when we reported that a

mum raised concerns decades ago. Today we are reporting that a dad of

an abused player wrote to all sorts of people - the FA, government

departments, local MPs, and he felt he was effectively dismissed. You

was up against a brick wall. What Gary went through from 2013, even

with the police involved, it was a brick wall. No one was taking any

notice. They didn't want to believe that sexual abuse was going on in

any club, not even just the football clubs. No one wanted to know. It was

being brushed under the carpet. It was too big a thing to deal with. Is

that what you think, Gary? Even now, I said to the three board members

yesterday, it felt like, brush it under the carpet. Why do you feel

that now? The FA said they are carrying out their own internal

review. They say they are committed to publishing that, subject to legal

restrictions. Chelsea are carrying out their own internal

investigation. Other clubs are. Why do you still feel they don't really

want to know? Because we have hit a brick wall. I have had it for 40

years and hit a brick wall. And the last three years, again, people are

disbelieving. The FA said they are investigating. They have changed

their QC. But they need to start now, last week, the week before.

They need to get to grips with it now. Do you trust the FA to get to

the bottom of this? No. Why do you say that? Because they are not

acting on it as we speak. The guys came out from Crewe last week. It

just seems that they are maybe waiting for another story to break

somewhere else in the country and they can brush it under the carpet

and it will go away. We need help here. The guys that have come out on

the guys that haven't come out and admitted that they have been abused,

we need help from now, last week, the week before. It just doesn't

seem to be coming forward. I have had no contact. From? The FA, the

police. The police requested my details last week from Chelsea and I

gave permission, because it is now all out in the open. I appreciate

that these things take time, but it is now two weeks. As you heard,

1997... Nothing changes. Until I see evidence that it does, maybe we can

all start believing. Well, I am grateful for you coming on the

programme. Thank you very much. If you've been affected by ay

of the issues we've been talking about, you can find a list of

helplines at the BBC action line - Despite the levels of knife

crime falling since 2010, this programme has learned

that the number of people seriously injured or killed by knife crime has

risen 9% across the UK in the last Previously, much of the knife crime

was believed to have been gang related, but the Metropolitan Police

has told this programme that 75% of incidents in London last year

were carried out by people not A 16-year-old boy has

been stabbed to death... We carry knives around because it's

just for protection, A lot of boys carry

knives more frequently, Knife crime has become

a perennial problem Despite repeated attempts

by politicians, it won't go away. We've just got to send a signal

that it's completely Before the election,

his Prime Minister, our Prime Minister, promised

there would be tougher It is simply not true that

knife crime is rising because the police are no longer

stopping and searching. London is one of the worst affected

areas, and it is teenagers Of nearly 3,900 people injured

by knives between August 2015-16, 17-year-old Shaquan Fearon

was killed last September. He wasn't involved in gangs

and didn't carry a knife. He was stabbed

on the way to a youth club. His mother, Sharon,

relives that day every day. I was so frightened the day

when I got the call. Sharon, come quick,

your son got stabbed. It was so scary to see

my son lying down. I managed to talk to him, and I

turned to him and said, Shaquan, Shaquan died from a catastrophic

wound in his leg. Two boys under the age of 16

were subsequently arrested. and the Crown Prosecution Service

says only in exceptional circumstances will a third

trial be approved. That could include new evidence,

or evidence that a previous jury The CPS says there is no evidence

of that kind in this case, Sharon says the system

has let her down. Who killed my son and

where is the killer? So, obviously, the police

need to find his killer. I cannot move forward,

I'm waiting and I really Her case has been taken up

by a local Labour MP. It is actually deeply

concerning and deeply upsetting for the family and the friends of

Shaquan that actually, justice has I have had meetings

with the Justice Minister, And I'm due to meet

with the Attorney General. If justice isn't seen to be served,

that has a knock-on effect to the local community

and their faith So the judicial system, the police,

we absolutely have to ensure that people are confident that the police

are able to do their job, and that justice is served

when there's such terrible crimes Knife crime has risen by 9%

across England and Wales. In London, it's up by 16%

over the last two years. Police in the capital attend 9,000

incidents involving knives a year. 90% of those caught are boys,

but the type of boy has changed. Several years ago,

it was mainly a gang problem. Now the police think 75%

of those who carry They're just doing it

because they think everyone else is. We do seem to be seeing

a shift in the way And yes, the police have been saying

there is a shift away from gangs. It is still happening within gangs,

but it does seem there are more young people carrying knives

and willing to use them. It is hard to tell when it

is a general problem, but when it was more related to gang

crime, that was also difficult, but it didn't put us

or the police off. We have to remember that tackling

knife crime is difficult. No one solution will

make a difference. There is no one reason why young

people carry knives. We have to work with families,

communities and the young people themselves to find the best way

of reducing knife crime. 15 people under the age of 25 have

been killed in London this year. Two of Malika's friends have

been stabbed to death. She visits another

in jail for murder. It's difficult to be a young

person and see the victim and the murder and know them both,

and to not know what to say because you're saying rest in peace

to the person that died, but then you also know

the person that did it. You don't exactly know what happened

or how the argument started, but it was just a little argument

and someone has died The trend is so worrying that

Vicky Foxcroft has set up a cross-party youth violence

commission, which will report It will look at the root causes

as well as sentences for knife crime, and even the current stop

and search policies. She is spending time

consulting young people. Why do we feel that young people go

and get involved in terms of knife crime and youth violence,

and what can we do in advance It's a choice that they have to make

when they resort to crime. It's not like a choice

where they can say yes or no. What they fail to realise is once

they start on the streets, they get chained to the streets

and it is hard to get out of it. I've gone to school with people

who are now in prison Understanding that situation,

I know definitely that But what people are also not

born with is a purpose. People where we live,

we ain't got no... When you do get young

teenagers watching the news, they'll just say, OK,

he's stabbing someone, so I might as well just do that,

because that's how they feel But when you're consistently shown

one image, you are going to start to conform to that image

and I feel as if a lot of the youth of the borough

of Lewisham are conforming to this I know a people that,

because of the area that they live in, they have to act a certain way

and carry themselves a certain way. Sentences for knife crime

offences have got tougher Now, if you're an adult

and you are caught twice with a knife, you will probably

go to jail. If you are under 16 and caught twice

with a knife, you will either get a community sentence or a custodial

one, averaging about six months. However, it doesn't appear

that it is enough of a deterrent. This boy has never been in a gang,

but admits he has carried He says boys do it simply because

they are scared of each other. Every day, you are not always

going to be with your friends, so you will not always have someone

to back you. And there are situations

where your fists ain't going to help you and that may seem

like an alternative to other people. That's why they carry

it in the first place. And they are thinking

if there is a sign of danger, I will pull it out and do something

and then get rid of it. If you're caught with a knife,

you could go to jail if you're Well, there's people out

there who would rather risk it instead of them getting physically

hurt by the weapon instead. To them, going to jail would be

a better alternative than them not I don't think it's about tougher

sentences or being more harsh, it's more understanding,

more opportunities, a deeper understanding of why the young

person is actually committing crime. You need a sentence

for the knife itself. If there is a murder or a knife

cutting someone, it needs time. Very often now, more boys

are going to bring out knives Even the little boys are going to be

scared of the older ones, These was the latest statistics. --

these are the latest statistics. 4397 knife possession offences were

dealt with by the system. That is 9% more than in the same period last

year. Your pertinent experiences of knife crime, as a victim, if you

have carried a knife, if you are a police officer or teacher and come

across knives in the course of your job, let me know. Send me an e-mail.

What is the way to reduce knife crime?

The Labour MP Luciana Berger says she's worried about the rise of far

right extremists in the UK, after a 24 year old man was found

guilty of the racially harassing her online.

Joshua Bonehill-Paine posted anti-Semitic abuse

in a series of blogs, calling her "an evil money-grabber"

and posting offensive photo-shopped images of her.

In her first broadcast interview after the conviction,

Luciana Berger explained what it was like seeing the accused

I recalled the reaction from some of my colleagues, copied into

individual tweets, where they had seen how extreme they were. They

were extreme will stop if anybody wants to look online, they can see

this is not just somebody having a go, these are images of me that have

been photoshopped using very anti-Semitic imagery, often violent,

some pornographic, very extreme in nature. When you are subject to it,

not just on Twitter but on other social platforms, it is quite

difficult to explain how you feel. You are in the middle of it, I had

to stop looking at my social media. For others outside, they are not

aware what is going on. Just seeing one of them is enough for people to

be absolutely outraged because it was so extreme. Did you feel unsafe?

I felt unsafe because some of the people that got involved in that

campaign, we can't say what the campaign was called, because it has

language that we can't use on daytime television, it inspired

others to post messages telling me to watch my back, told me they knew

where I lived, made physical threats against me. A combination of all of

those factors were incredibly difficult to contend with. Not just

for me, but for those close to me, my family, I'm very lucky to have a

fantastic team that I work with that were also exposed to it because it

was coming from all directions, my Parliamentary inbox, my

Parliamentary Facebook page, my personal Instagram. You name it, it

was coming through. And in the post as well. Overwhelming. The man who

will be sentenced after the conviction of yesterday, of racially

aggravated harassment, his 24, Joshua Bonehill-Paine, his defence

in court was that the posts were satire and pathetic, puerile

rubbish, saying they fell within the right of freedom of speech. What do

you think of the defence? That was the defence offered by the defence

barrister. Joshua Bonehill-Paine himself did not give evidence. The

judge asked the jury to take from that what they will. What did you

take from that, that he would not stand? I think his evidence would

have been so incriminating that it would have made it worse for him.

The evidence was overwhelming, in terms of the conviction that was

found, the verdict the jury came to. What about the defence that it came

under freedom of speech? We have laws in place which determine what

is free speech and where the line is crossed into hate speech. There are

many examples of where people experience hate speech all the time,

up and down the country, when they experience harassment. It went on

for a long period. It was not just somebody expressing their political

view. I was asked about individual elements of some of the posts. You

could argue about individual elements. But if you look at it in

the round, the headline, the photographs, the images, the text,

all combined, it was clear it was racial harassment. What is your

message to the far right racists? I am very concerned we are seeing an

increase in the far right. We are seeing it across Europe, in our

country as well. We know from official figures that there has been

an increase in the number of people referred to the Prevent programme,

from a right-wing extremist ideology. When that extremism

crosses the line into terrorism, it also crosses the line into physical

threats. What I hope people will take from the case, from the verdict

yesterday, is that you will be taken seriously, whatever form of

harassment or racial abuse you might be facing, that there is support out

there and the courts will take it seriously. The British values that

we hold dear, equality, tolerance, mutual respect, they apply as much

online as they do off-line. We will wait for the sentence and the

conviction, this is not tolerated in Britain and there are means and ways

in which people will be held to account. The sentencing of a

24-year-old is due today. We will bring that as soon as it comes in.

A quarter of women who are admitted to give birth

in midwife-led units end up being transferred to consultants.

That's not necessarily a problem in itself,

but an investigation by the BBC's data unit, which looked at hospital

trusts across England, has found some women in labour

are having to travel more than 30 miles by ambulance

Campaigners say women need more information before deciding

where to give birth - official guidelines recommend

midwife units as the safest for low risk births.

I know you will have your own experience of this. Let me know.

Let's speak now to Cathy Warwick, chief executive of the Royal College

of Midwives, Catherine Buckley, in our Shropshire studio,

who had to be transferred during labour to another hospital

and Kim Thomas from the Birth Trauma Association.

Catherine, congratulations on the birth of Ralph. How old is he? Nine

months. Tell us why you chose to give birth in a midwife led unit. I

was low risk, there was no problems with me or the baby. You are

encouraged to... Hello! To give birth in a midwife-led unit if there

are not issues. It was close to my home, I felt comfortable and I knew

that the midwives knew exactly what they were doing. There were some

complications, what happened after that? The Labour went fine until I

got to about ten centimetres and I was ready to start pushing. Then

there was a publication that meant that I needed to be transferred by

ambulance. -- a complication. The ambulance was called and it took

about half an hour before it turned up. How was that for you, while you

were waiting? It was really scary. I was shouting, where is the

ambulance? The midwife kept going out and try to hurry it up. I really

needed to try and have the baby, by that point. For any woman that has

had a baby before, it is quite difficult to try to not have a baby.

The advice was to try not to have it in the ambulance, because it is not

a very nice environment and there would not be doctors present. What

do you think about the way that it was handled? I think the midwife

made exactly the right call to call the ambulance. You don't know if the

baby is in distress. Obviously you need to get to the baby doctor. The

difficulty with me was that it was such a crucial point in the labour

that it was quite stressful and I was obviously in a lot of pain. I

think I was a bit naive in thinking there would be an ambulance on

stand-by, that it would only take 15 minutes to get there, hop in your

car and drive to the consultant unit and that is how long it would take.

I think an hour, which is how long it took from the ambulance being

called, is too long, really, in an emergency. Absolutely. Let's bring

in the chief Executive of the Royal College of midwives. Catherine was

low risk, but things change, as they do, when women are giving birth.

What do you think about how that was handled? I think midwives are

working hard with local Ambulance Service is to make sure when they

are needed they get there as quickly as possible. I think the important

point is that the Nice guidelines and all of the evidence we have got

shows that if women by Catherine chose to give birth in a midwife-led

unit, even when they transfer, they do have better outcomes in the long

run. What does that mean? They are happier with the outcome of their

birth, the babies do just as well as if they choose to go to the

obstetric unit in the first place. But we do need to get transfers

right. A number of women will transfer, for a variety of reasons,

usually not an emergency reason. It is important that women are given

the right information about the possibilities. Of having to be

transferred? Yes. Kim Thomas, do you have concerns about stand-alone

midwife-led unit? Yes. The main one is to do with the distance from the

consultant led unit. Quite a lot of women have to transfer. There are

two issues. One is that it is quite psychologically distressing for

women to have to transfer by ambulance, as Catherine's experience

showed. The ambulance might turn up late. You have to be strapped into a

stretcher, you arrive in hospital, you have to deal with a new team of

people, it is all quite distressing. It might also slow down your labour.

The other issue is that sometimes there will be an emergency that has

to be dealt with straightaway. Having to spend 30 minutes

transferring to another hospital really isn't acceptable. In some

cases, you have not got 30 minutes, you need to deliver the baby

immediately. What is the solution? Most of the women giving birth in a

midwife-led unit will be low risk. Things change, what is the solution?

Is it simply about transport? I think that is part of it. The main

worry is that women are not necessarily making this choice

really. We do know, as Cathy said, there are good outcomes for low risk

women in second and subsequent labours in a midwifery unit. But a

lot of consulting units are now closing. They are trying to

consolidate maternity units, so there are longer distances for women

to travel. Some women have to make the choice between going to a

freestanding midwifery unit that is local, or to a consultant led unit

that might be a long way away. That is really not a fair choice to ask

women to make. Thank you very much. Catherine, thank you for coming on

the programme and thank you to Ralph, very well-behaved. And thank

you too came from the Birth Trauma Association. -- Kim.

A Mild Start To The Day, We Have Rain Moving Across The Midlands. It

Might Clip Southern Scotland Before It Clears. Behind It, A Lot Of

Cloud, Drizzle, But Brighter Breaks. Northern Ireland And Scotland, After

A Cloudy Start, It Will Brighten Up And There Will Be Sunny Spells.

Temperature Is Not As High As Yesterday. 16 Or 17. This evening

and overnight, cold enough for a touch of Frost. We have two weather

fronts coming our way, both producing cloud and rain. It will

remain mild overnight. As we head through tomorrow, the first weather

front goes through. Then we have the second weather front coming in

across southern Scotland, Northern Ireland, England, Wales and

south-west England. Windy around this. Ahead of it, the cloud will

build. Even so, some sunshine. Tomorrow's temperatures between ten

and 13 Celsius. As we head on into Saturday, the weather front

eventually makes it down into the south. It could be with us all day.

A lot of cloud around, breezy with showers in the north. Sunday,

looking dry EU for most of us. I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

welcome to the programme It's the most serious form

of corruption facing the police - says the force's watchdog -

as more than 300 officers are accused of using their position

to sexually exploit people We'll be speaking to

the police just after 10.30. Former Chelsea player Gary Johnson

says the scandal of football abuse is still being "brushed under

the carpet"' by the authorities - and he told this programme that no

compensation could make up You can't put Notts on anything. It

is not going to bring anything back. Actress Sofia Vergara

is reportedly being sued we'll tell you what that

means just before 11. Betty Davies, we love you.

# Ladies with an attitude, fellas that were in the mood.

# Don't just stand there, let's get to it, strike a pose, there's

nothing to it, overload! Now a summary of the rest

of the day's news. And inspection of police forces in

England and Wales has revealed that 300 forces have been accused of

using their position to sexually exploit people.

The Inspectorate of Constabulary said the abuse of authority

for sexual advantage was now the "most serious" form

of corruption facing the police service.

Those killed or injured by knife crime rose 10% in the UK last year

and by 16% in London. Previously, much of the knife crime was believed

to have been gang-related, but the Metropolitan Police said three

quarters of incidents in London last year were carried out by people not

associated with organised groups. More on that in a moment in a

special report for this programme. Chelsea football club have

apologised in person to Gary Johnson for the abuse he suffered as a

trainee in the 1970s at the hands of the club's former chief scout Eddie

Heath. Mr Johnson was paid ?50,000 by the club as part of a

confidentiality agreement. He told this programme nothing could make up

for the suffering he was caused. Nowhere near for the pain and

suffering, definitely not. What would have been a more appropriate

sum, do you think? Could you put a figure on it? Couldn't really put a

figure on it. I wasn't looking that way anyway at the beginning, it just

happened. So, you know, you can't put noughts on anything. It's not

going to bring anything back. New research suggests that some

sufferers of psychotic illnesses - like schizophrenia -

may in fact have a treatable In a nationwide study,

scientists at the University of Oxford found up to one in 11

cases of psychosis may involve a condition where

antibodies attack the brain. The team suggested that all patients

displaying signs of psychosis for the first time should be

screened for the antibodies to see if alternative

treatments may be possible. The number of giraffes has

fallen so dramatically over the past 30 years,

they are now vulnerable The International Union

for the Conservation of Nature has included the animals on its latest

Red List of the most threatened species after seeing

the population fall Habitat loss, poaching

and civil unrest have been That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Thank you for your messages about

knife crime. This text says, I am a paramedic and had to lose my

livelihood due to PTSD and mouth crammed. Another text says the

problem is the lack of punishment for not only carrying a knife, but

also using one. My nephew was stabbed in the back in a pizza shop.

The guy who did it got six months. That is wrong. Tom says, there is a

charity that works with young people on substance abuse and mental

health. From my experience, no one who commits a knife crime really

sets out to do that. The issue is that when young people carrying

knives, if they argue or fight, they use the knife out of instinct. The

issue is how to stop young people carrying weapons. Prison sentences

have no impact. No young adult stab someone because of the time they

will spend in prison. They don't think about the consequences. I will

read more of those later. We are going to talk about knife crime. If

you are getting in touch, you are very welcome.

It's been a day to remember for England's new opening batsman

Keaton Jennings, who scored a century in his first Test innings

on the first day of the Fourth Test against India in Mumbai.

But it nearly was a day to forget

when he offered a chance before he'd scored a run.

as he closed in on his hundred and a reverse sweep took him

past three figures - the first England player

since Matt Prior nine years ago to score a century in his first Test

Jennings knock came to an end on 112 when he became another

Jess Varnish says she's "shocked and upset" to find out

the former technical director of British Cycling, Shane Sutton,

was found guilty of using one offensive and derogatory term

but cleared of eight of the ninecomplaints

That included Varnish's claim he'd told her to "go and have a baby".

Sutton was also cleared of any bullying allegations,

and denies all of the claims made against him.

Here's our sports editor Dan Roan on what this

Context is important and we don't know about that yet, but it will

surprise many that this transgression alone was deemed

enough to have costs at his career. Both sides are furious. Varnish said

she was shocked by what she called a heartbreaking funding. Sutton has

made no comment. His appeal will go ahead and I think she will appeal as

well, so both sides could take legal action. In the middle of that is

British Cycling, facing demands to see the full evidence and plunging

them into turmoil. Fifa President Gianni Infantino says

there must be zero tolerance The head of football's world

governing body has also called for tough punishments for those

found guilty of using the sport His words come amidst a series of

accusations within British football, as we have been hearing on this

programme. It is not only a football matter. It is a very serious matter.

There are not many worse things in life generally than child abuse. So

it has to be taken seriously. There must be zero tolerance from a

football perspective, but also from a criminal perspective.

Contrasting fortunes for the two Premier League sides

Tottenham beat CSKA Moscow 3-1 to reach the Europa League

were already through to the knockout stages as group winners,

but it was a disappointing night for them, beaten 5-0

Manager Claudio Ranieri "blamed himself" after making five changes.

The draw for the first knockout round will be made on Monday.

Latest figures suggest that a record number of people are in jail for

knife possession. Despite the levels of knife

crime falling since 2010, this programme has learned

that the number of people seriously injured or killed by knife crime has

risen by 20% in the last year. Previously, much of the knife crime

was believed to have been gang related, but the Metropolitan Police

has told this programme that 75% of incidents in London last year

were carried out by people not Knife crime has increased by 9%

across England and Wales. In London, it's risen by 16%

over the last two years. Several years ago,

it was mainly a gang problem. Now the police think 75%

of those who carry They're just doing it

because they think everyone else is. We do seem to be seeing

a shift in the way And yes, the police have been saying

there is a shift away from gangs. It is still happening within gangs,

but it does seem there are more young people carrying knives

and willing to use them. Two of Malika's friends have

been stabbed to death. She visits another

in jail for murder. It's difficult to be a young

person and see the victim and the murderer and know them both,

and to not know what to say because you're saying rest in peace

to the person that died, but then you also know

the person that did it. You don't exactly know what happened

or how the argument started, but it was just a little argument

and someone has died This boy has never been in a gang,

but admits he has carried He says boys do it simply because

they are scared of each other. Every day, you're not always

going to be with your friends, so you will not always have someone

to back you. And there are situations

where your fists ain't going to help you and that may seem

like an alternative to other people. That's why they carry

it in the first place. And they're thinking

if there is a sign of danger, I'll pull it out and do something

and then get rid of it. you could go to jail if you're

caught a couple of times. Well, there's people out

there who would rather risk it instead of them getting physically

hurt by the weapon instead. To them, going to jail would be

a better alternative than them not seeing the next day,

if that makes sense. Very often now, more boys

are going to bring out knives Even the little boys are going to be

scared of the older ones, Let's speak now to Vicky Foxcroft,

Labour MP for Lewisham, Jonathon Toy, a youth violence

expert and Orlando Miller and Tekisha Henry, who know people

who have been affected Vicki, you have been an MP for just

over a year. In that time, eight young people have been murdered in

your constituency, all from knife crime and all under the age of 25.

That is astonishing. Which is really worrying. After the first two young

people were murdered, I was like, what do we do about this? That is

why we had the first debate in Parliament, looking at the root

causes of serious youth violence. It is one of the reasons why we have

set up the commission, which is a cross-party commission, so there are

politicians from all parties looking into how we deal with the causes of

youth violence and making sure that as part of this review, we know

there is lots of information already out there about what we need to do,

but making sure we put this together to ensure that no stone goes

unturned. Are you talking to people like Tekisha? Absolutely, and

working with other youth groups across the country to make sure that

young people's voices are at the heart of what the recommendations

are. In terms of your own experiences of knife crime growing

up, what would you say, Orlando? Personally, in life, you grow up in

these areas and funding you notice is that you are going into a world

where you are told to go to school, work. And people don't have a

purpose of their own. What makes it worse is that you have a lot of

people telling other people how they should be. I will give you an

example. I was talking to someone, because I am into business, so I go

straight to the CEOs to interview them. I am already done with

workshops, because again, they give you a lot of waffle. And one thing

he was telling me was that when his wife was walking around in Lewisham,

she hides her money in her shoe because she is so scared. I was

laughing at the facts, but can you imagine? We could have people

walking around in Lewisham with opportunities for young people to do

great things. Can I ask you why being told to go to school or work,

as you described it, would lead someone to carry a knife? I find

people in general, when there is loads of something, the value goes

down. Meaning what? Everyone goes to school. But people don't know why,

what is in it for them. And because people don't understand what it can

do for them, people seem to stray. They get attracted to things like

the media or music, that more attractive at that moment. Is

carrying a knife more attractive than going to school? Definitely

not. The knife the end result. No one wants to carry a knife, really

and truly. Tekisha, this idea that carrying a knife is not necessarily

related to being in a gang, individuals are carrying it because

they want to, because they feel safe, what do you think of that? It

is very sad. As a community, we have become very desensitised to carrying

knives, to people dying on a consistent basis.

Do you think we have? I see horror from people every time there is

another fatal stabbing, people are thin arms. I know, I do see that as

well. Who is desensitised? A large majority of society, when they hear

somebody has been stabbed, they go, who? Another person has been

stabbed? It is not much of a shock. That is what is really upsetting. We

need some kind of young example. We need more success stories. We live

in a time of crisis, we hear so many things from the media, this person

has been stabbed, so many bad stories, when somebody here is

another person got stabbed they think, again? They need to be

thinking again to somebody who has been successful. People, young

people, they follow young people. Having young examples. Jonathan, a

gang and youth violence expert, is that a good description? It is a

description, I have been doing it for a long time. Carrying a knife is

no longer about being in a gang? I'm not sure that is entirely right.

That is what the Met said. Indeed. But I think if you were talking to

people over the last decade who were described as being involved in a

gang, a lot of those that were involved in violence were still

about this respect with each other, feuds with individuals. I think what

you are seeing is a development that. I understand why they would

make those comments and make those points, but it is not disconnected.

I think what we have to recognise is the same issue we faced ten years

ago, that this is a societal issue, not a single service or police

issue, a criminal justice issue. Everybody has a role to play in

this. If we genuinely believe that the young people have something

positive to contribute, why are we allowing, as a society, knife crime

to continue the way that we are? We should all be challenging it. Is

society allowing knife crime to continue? I think there is a lot

more we can do across society. I think the starting point has to be

around opening up genuine opportunities, have a dialogue with

people. About what? About going and talking to how can I get a career,

what are my prospects, where is something in the area where I live?

Where am I moving to? And that is not coming from schools? I think it

is a much wider issue. It doesn't just happen in schools, in homes.

Actually, if you look across the whole brat of society, business,

voluntary organisations, whether it is statutory organisations, the

dialogue has to be much more open and enable people to come in and

genuinely have it so that they see we mean what we say around helping

them progress their careers and opportunities. Exactly what Orlando

was saying, around going to school, but what are we going to school for?

What are the opportunities that are therefore us afterwards? One of the

biggest things I have heard from young people when they speak to us,

we want those career opportunities in the future. We don't want to go

and get involved with drug dealing, carrying knives in terms of safety.

We want those opportunities, but we also want to have positive images of

young people have there. When a young person, and Orlando can do

this, he sets up an app, makes money and get a professional business from

it, why are we not promoting that? When the messages out there in terms

of young people, it is stabbing each other. I hear what you are saying.

Where does personal responsibility come into this? Somebody makes a

choice to carry a knife, an offensive weapon. Potentially a

murder weapon. Somebody makes that choice. To be honest, people do make

that choice. But, again, it is only the end result. I find a lot of

people are not trying. But they are not getting the support. Nobody is

searching Orlando Miller, on LinkedIn, because they don't expect

Orlando Miller from London to have a LinkedIn, they expect him to have a

knife. Because I live in a certain postcode, for some reason there is

more competition, people are trying. Everybody has a tolerance for

something. , times have we gone over this topic? I totally agree. I have

been asking questions like this for decades, it seems like. We don't

have a solution. Maybe it is because it is complex and hard to get all of

the different sectors to focus. If eight people have been murdered in

your constituency in a year, what else do you need to focus? It is

just absurd. Put it this way, if you have a young example, if you gave

people an opportunity, responsibility, put them in a

situation where they have time to think about things other than

carrying a knife, say I had your job, for example, they would not be

carrying a knife, they can't be seen to carry a knife, because they will

lose their job. People can do things. Where are you on personal

response politicos should not I feel we need to provide more

opportunities. Are you talking about jobs? A lot of children do not see

an alternative to knife crime. We need to provide it. But where

personal responsibility comes in is the youth who want to resort to

knife crime and look for opportunities, they want to gain

these opportunities. Which is where everybody else comes in? Absolutely.

This bit about personal responsibility, if we want people,

young people, to take personal responsibility, we need to give them

the environments which enables them to do that in a positive way. The

criminal justice system, of course it has a part. I have worked with

many families who have lost young people and they quite rightly cry

out for the criminal justice system to take action and do something

which deals with the person that committed this horrendous act. But

the first bit about personal responsibility is, what is the

standard we set, as adults, as a community, what is it that we go and

do to show that we are committed to helping people on those pathways? In

a number of areas across the capital and the country, young people do not

feel they have a genuine stake within their environment. If we

don't address them, we will see at perpetuating. I don't want to sit

here in ten years' time having the same conversation. Thank you all

very much. Really appreciate your time. Still to come, sexual

exploitation by police officers has been called a disease by the police

watchdog and senior police chiefs. We are looking at White is the most

-- why it is the most serious form of corruption.

Madonna, is the latest A list celebrity to feature

on James Corden's hugely popular Carpool Kareoke.

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Don't just stand there, let's get to it.

Strike a pose, there's nothing to it.

Do your kids like the new stuff? Yes, they like that very much. My

kids are quite rebellious. My work is rebellious, but my lifestyle

isn't. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't party. I am quite square.

# I was always your little girl # You should know by now, I'm not a

baby. Do you think you will get married again? Are you unconsciously

proposing? I am already married. What is her name? Julia. She is

great. She's lucky. You were friends with Michael Jackson. What was that

like? What was a night out all night in with Michael Jackson like? You

want me to kiss and tell? Did you kiss? Of course! You and Michael

Jackson? Baby, I've been around. Full tone and mouth? I did not know

that! Well, nobody ever asked me. Hang on, who makes the first move? I

did. He is a bit shy. But he was a willing accomplice. I did get him to

loosen up with a glass of Chardonnay. It did wonders. Wow.

Here they go. Why is she trying to climb out of

the car? Because she is Madonna. Exactly, that is why she should not

be climbing out of the car! I want my pop stars doing that in 2016. She

is 58, many pretenders to the throne, but she is still the Queen

of pop. Interesting to see her talking openly about how she is a

rebel onstage, not offstage. Although I think a lot of people

disagree. In terms of her approach to diet, lifestyle and health, that

is why she is doing so well. I don't want to say for a 58-year-old, it is

not gold. But a lot of haters say she should not be doing this?

Billboard magazine said she was woman of the year 2016. She said, if

you were interviewing a male celebrity like Leonardo DiCaprio,

you would not bring up his age. She has been doing this for nearly 35

years, breaking that glass ceiling. She had complete autonomy with her

career. A very male dominated industry. The bestselling female

artist of all time. She knows how to make headlines. The timing is

shrewd. She doesn't need to do it, but it is one of the most watched

clips around the world. She also has a live DVD of her brilliant tour.

She will be delighted you mentioned that. How do you react to the

revelation that her and Michael Jackson snogged? Fascinating

confession. She famously took him to the Oscars ceremony in 1981, but

never alluded to what happened afterwards. The King and queen of

pop shared a kiss. Thanked you for coming on the programme.

Over 300 police officers and staff across England and Wales have been

accused of using their position to sexually exploit people,

including victims - we'll be joined by two campaigners

calling for tougher action on cops that commit crimes.

And could some sufferers of psychotic illnesses -

such as schizophrenia - may in fact have a treatable

We'll be speaking to someone who worked on a new study.

An inspection of police forces in England and Wales has revealed

that more than 300 officers and staff have been accused -

over a two year period - of using their position to sexually

exploit people, including victims of crime.

The Inspectorate of Constabulary said the abuse of authority

for sexual advantage was now the "most serious" form

of corruption facing the police service.

Latest figures show there are now a record number of people currently in

jail for possessing knives. As of September this year, there were 917

offenders serving knife crime sentences. Those seriously injured

or killed by knife crime rose by nearly 10% across the UK in the last

year and by 16% in London. The Foreign Secretary,

Boris Johnson, has accused Britain's ally, Saudi Arabia,

of engaging in "proxy In a speech at a conference in Italy

a week ago, Mr Johnson said there was a lack of vision

in the region: You have got the Saudis, Iran,

everybody moving in and puppeteering, and playing proxy

wars. And it is a tragedy to watch it. We need to have some way of

encouraging visionary leadership in that area, people who can tell a

story that brings people together from different factions and

different religious groups into one-nation. That is what's missing.

The number of giraffes has fallen so dramatically

over the past 30 years, they are now vulnerable

The International Union for the Conservation of Nature has

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Habitat loss, poaching and civil unrest have been

That is a summary of the latest news. Join me for BBC Newsroom Live

at 11 o'clock. Let me read you this e-mail about knife crime. My

13-year-old son was attacked yesterday evening on his way home.

He is not in a gang. A group of three boys at a bus stop attacked

him for no reason. As a mother, my duties to protect my son. When he

told me what happened, I was bitterly angry. Because of fear, I

am now going to start carrying a screwdriver. I feel more protected

having it on me. My son doesn't know that. I have had to start collecting

him from school, and if the gang target him, I will not hesitate to

use it. That is from a mum. Goodness me. Thank you for that. A couple

more. Michael, if you carry a knife, you are a potential murderer. People

don't carry knives because they are afraid of others but so they can

intimidate and bully others. Barry says if the police would protect

people, kids wouldn't feel so afraid that they have to carry knives.

It's been a near perfect Test debut so far for

The Durham opener has made 112 to help

England to a good start to the fourth Test against India.

Former British cycling technical director Shane Sutton has been found

guilty of one of the nine allegations made

Jess Varnish who says she's "shocked and upset" the majority

Fifa President Gianni Infantino has called for "zero tolerance" of child

abuse in football and promised to look into ways football's

world governing body can do more to prevent it.

His comments come in the midst of the abuse scandal in England.

And Leicester City finished top of their Champions League group

despite a 5-0 thrashing away at Porto.

Spurs will go into the Europa League after a 3-1 win over

That is all the sport for this morning, but I will have more on BBC

News throughout the day. Sexual exploitation by police

officers is the most serious corruption issue facing the service,

according to Her Majesty's An inspection of police forces

in England and Wales has revealed that more than 300 officers

and staff have been accused, over a two year period,

of using their position to sexually exploit people, including

victims of crime. HM Inspector Mike Cunningham led

the inspection, and says it's likely that the problem is more serious

than the numbers show. The indications are,

and we received information over a two-year period

that there were 436 That is potentially

the tip of the iceberg. Because the recording of these

matters is not consistent, we believe that is not

an accurate picture. What we're saying is,

at the heart of our report, which is generally positive

about policing and how they build the trust

and confidence of communities, at the heart of our report is this

corrosive issue of officers abusing their authority

to exploit vulnerable women. A little earlier, I spoke

to the National Police Chiefs' Council Lead for Counter-Corruption,

Chief Constable Stephen Watson. I asked him whether he agreed

with the police watchdog that this is the most significant corruption

challenge currently We do confront a number

of corrupting influences, but I think the quality of this sort

of behaviour is so reprehensible and constitutes such a betrayal

of what we stand for that it's quite right to describe it as the most

serious form We treat it as serious corruption,

and that is the spirit According to HMIC,

the police watchdog, some forces are still failing

to recognise it as corruption. I certainly accept that too

many inconsistencies In fairness, I do think that HMIC

are recognising that much progress has been made and there are pockets

of good practice across the country in terms of both our approach

proactively to targeting and pursuing offenders,

and I use the word offender quite deliberately, as well as preventing

this sort of behaviour. But where HMIC fairly made

recommendations, which we accept, is that there are too many

inconsistencies between forces. Especially when this

was flagged four years ago, In fairness, I don't think HMIC

are saying nothing has been done. And in respect of that,

I absolutely accept it, as does the service,

which is why we are urgently pursuing a piece of work,

which is to capture those elements of good practice which occur in many

local police forces, and binding all of that best

practice into one place so that the whole service operates

to the standard of the best. I want to talk to you

about good practice. I'd like to give you some examples,

all from this year, from A Wiltshire police constable had

a sexual relationship A Met Police constable

was convicted of voyeurism. A Devon and Cornwall constable

was engaged in sexual relations with women he met in the course

of his duties. A West Murcia constable contacted

vulnerable female victims and engaged in texts

of a sexual nature. A Thames Valley Police constable

abused his position of a police officer in that he researched police

systems to obtain personal data of a woman in order

to identify her place of work He then went to her place

of work whilst on duty, purporting to be there for a police

purpose, gaining further personal I don't understand how it's not

obvious to every single employee of police forces in England

and Wales that that is It is absolutely clearly

an abuse of trust and those examples that you give

are absolutely reprehensible. There is no good news in this,

but there are crumbs of comfort to be obtained by the fact

that the College of Policing will tell you, if you look

at their disapproval register, that over 75% of all

of these cases have come through internal reporting

and internal I don't know how that is

a consolation to the victims. It isn't a consolation

to the victims, because these things should be prevented

in the first instance. But the point I'm making

is that this is not something the service is approaching

in a passive way. Those individuals rightly brought

to book and thrown out of the service are being brought

book in the main because officers and staff in the police service

are as appalled as anyone by this This is reprehensible behaviour,

and it comprises an absolute betrayal of the public

and we will not stand for it. But we do recognise and absolutely

accept HMIC's recommendations that too much inconsistency continues

to persist between forces. Chief Constable Watson,

what I don't understand is how a trained police officer cannot see

that that kind of behaviour I mean, we're talking

about grooming, stalking, abuse of people the police

are supposed to be helping. With respect, I don't think there's

any suggestion that any of those officers conducting

themselves in that way necessarily thought that they weren't

doing anything wrong. These people are offenders,

and they are behaving The fact of the matter is,

it's those who brought them to book who are the people who did see

that this was Unfortunately, like any other walk

of life, we do have individuals within the police service

who will behave in this way, and we need to target them

and we need to root them out and we need to kick them

out of the service. That is precisely what we have been

doing and what we intend to do. That is where we do welcome HMIC's

recommendations because clearly, Let's speak now to Claire

Phillipson, from Domestic Abuse charity Wearside Women in Need -

she's had to make complaints to the police about inappropriate

conduct of officers before, but says the situation

is getting better now. for the English Collection

of Prostitutes, a campaign group She says police officers

using their status for Give us some examples? Well, we are

seeing it in relation to sex workers, but we also work with women

against rape, who are seeing it across the board. So there are many

different types of women, women of colour, sex workers, drug users, and

in this report, it also shows that rape and domestic violence survivors

are being targeted as well, which we have experienced in our group. We

are seeing a number of things from police using databases to stalk and

harass and target sex workers and go into their home addresses, that kind

of thing, but also demanding free sex and even rape in some cases.

They are serious charges and we are seeing it increasingly. Claire

Philipson, what do you think of these figures? Obviously, they are

deeply concerning and they will be the tip of the iceberg. We need to

reflect and have a wider analysis of this in that clearly, police

officers are recruited from the general population. The general

population has endemic sexism, has attitudes to within about their role

and function in society. And the police are massively tendered. We

are moving to a position slowly wear up and down the country, you have

maybe 35% of police forces that are female, so you still have a very

masculine culture. And where you have those masculine cultures, that

will spread out into attitudes and behaviours towards women. What

examples could you give our audience, without naming names,

where you have had to go to the police to complain on behalf of

women about inappropriate behaviour? I would emphasise first that this is

very much in the past and things are changing and that we are potentially

lucky in that we are in an area of high performing police forces in the

north-east. But in the past, we have dealt with officers who were tasks

specifically to visit victims of domestic violence who were clearly

very vulnerable and in a very emotionally fragile state of the.

And along came a man with power in a uniform, who acted as the saviour,

but who was using it as an opportunity to have multiple sexual

relationships with women. That is clearly a gross misuse of power. It

might not be criminal, but on every level, it is wrong. Laura Watson, is

part of your views that because people have a particular view of

prostitutes, rightly or wrongly, that gives more protection to police

officers to treat sex workers in any way they want? Yes, that is exactly

why we think police target sex workers in particular, or many

different sectors, because being part of a vulnerable group. We know

police have said in court cases, for example, that they thought the sex

workers wouldn't complain because of their lifestyle. We know that they

target people in particular because they think the women will not be

believed for whatever reason. We know that that is definitely the

case. In the situation of sex workers, you are an illegal worker

and therefore, the police always have the power of arrest over you.

Even if you do complain, they always have the power to say OK, we are

going to investigate you and prosecute you for prosecution

offences. Obviously, we think that if the police are in a position

where they do have a lot of power and discretion over women in that

situation, they clearly can't be trusted and therefore, that builds

our case for the abolition of the prostitution laws.

Do you think the numbers are quite small, in relation to the 200,000

police officers and staff in England and Wales? We're talking about 300

here. Well, there are a number of things, women 's situation is worse

and impoverishment means that they are increasingly more vulnerable. We

don't think it is something that is going to stop. We have also been

gathering information from the network all over the country and we

have four recent examples where police officers have targeted sex

workers in particular, through lease databases. -- police databases. We

know it is still ongoing. The problem is, it is not getting dealt

with. That is why it is ongoing. Well, that is not fair, there are

some officers that are brought to justice, they appearing court. Some

officers are allowed to retire without any action taken? Yes, we

know of examples, there is a growing movement of sex workers saying we do

not want this any more. Some of the examples we know from our network

are where sex workers have said, no, we take you to court, and there have

been convictions. We also know in many cases it is dealt with like an

internal corruption issue, when it should be dealt with as a criminal

issue. There should be prosecutions, increasingly. Thank you both very

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