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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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Could a lack of choice when it comes to contraception for women lead

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to a rise in unplanned pregnancies and abortions?

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I really do think we will see an increase in unwanted pregnancies. If

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the cuts carry on at the rate we are seeing now, we will see another

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escalation in teenage pregnancy. We'll bring you that story

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around 9:15 this morning. We're keen to hear your experiences,

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too, on the contraceptive Plus: outdated and held back

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by elderly white men - that's the view of the Football

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Association from five middle-aged We'll speak to two of them

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before ten this morning. And Madonna says the most

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controversial thing she's ever done Thank you for acknowledging my

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ability to continue my career for 34 years in the face of blatant

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misogyny, sexism, constant bullying and relentless abuse.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11.

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Throughout the programme we'll bring you the latest breaking news

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and developing stories - and as always really

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A little later in the programme we're talking

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programme Muslims Like Us which has been described a Big

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Critics say it could perpetuate negative sterorypes.

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Do get in touch and tell us what you think - use the hashtag

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#Victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard

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Five former Football Association chiefs have urged the Government

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to reform the structure of the Football Association.

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They criticised its upper ranks as being "out of balance" and filled

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David Bernstein, David Davies, Greg Dyke, Alex Horne

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and David Triesman called for legislation to be

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passed, blaming the FA's "inability to reform".

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Their concerns are laid out in a letter to the Culture,

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Its chairman says legislation is needed to turn the FA

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The letter that was sent to the committee clearly demonstrates the

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frustration of former chairman of the FA that they did not have the

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power to get through the reform that they wanted and that football is

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dominated by a series of vested interest who wield too much power.

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I'm joined now live from Wembley by our sports

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Is this the catalyst for reform? We have been down this road more than

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once before, Victoria. There have been repeated calls in the past for

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the FA to reform, to modernise, to bring itself up to date, but they

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haven't materialised. This is a major intervention nevertheless,

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five senior figures from within the FA over the years, its first three

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independent chairman calling for that reform, for gov-mac to

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intervene, for legislation to be passed saying simply that there are

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too many all the white men within the organisation who are incapable

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of passing even the smallest of things, let alone the big structural

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reforms that they believe are needed to bring the organisation dragged

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into the 21st-century. So I think it will be a significant moment in this

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debate. Whether it is enough to bring about change, we will have to

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see, but there is certainly an appetite from the Culture, Media and

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Sport committee to try to do what it can to pressure and bring about that

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change, even through calling for a vote of no-confidence and by

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drafting legislation. And Tallaght dash-mac talk about the latest in

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terms of historical sexual abuse in football. We have heard that the

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director of football has been suspended by the FA, and in

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Scotland, John Swinney of the SNP has told the BBC he believes the

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Scottish football Association should conduct an independent, call for an

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independent inquiry into abuse within Scotland, and he says Police

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Scotland must take a lead on this. This issue of historical abuse

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within football ongoing, and we will have to see where the story goes

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next, whether claims take us next, but those enquiries starting within

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England, and there are calls in Scotland for more to be done there.

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Thank you, Richard Conway at Wembley.

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Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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Six people have been arrested this morning on suspicion of offences

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Four men from Derby, a woman from London and a man

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from Burton-on-Trent are being held in police custody on suspicion

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of preparing for an act of terrorism as part of an ongoing

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European migrants living in the UK should be given a guarantee they can

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stay in the country after Brexit, according to a think tank

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It calls the Prime Minister's refusal to guarantee

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the status of Europeans in the UK "morally wrong".

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There are almost three million people from other parts of the EU

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living and working in the UK, and it is unclear what happens

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This report from the British Future think tank, which includes Leave

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and Remain supporters, says those living in the UK

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now should be offered permanent residency,

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but the triggering of Article 50 should be the cut-off date.

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The Government wants that to happen in March,

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so anyone arriving after should not expect to stay indefinitely.

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People's lives are important, and it sets the right

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tone for negotiations, because we would expect that EU

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countries to do the right thing by UK citizens,

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but if we make the first step, put in concrete proposals on how

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to make this happen, I think we will serve both UK

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A cut-off date may cause a surge in applications

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In order to cope, the report calls for a streamlining of the system,

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fast-tracking the two million who have been here for

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The Government says it wants to protect the status of EU

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nationals already living here, and the only circumstances

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in which that wouldn't be possible is if British citizens' rights

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in European member states were not protected in return.

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Those behind the report say using people as part

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of the negotiations is morally wrong.

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Later today, campaigners will deliver a letter to Downing Street,

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asking the Prime Minister the end the uncertainty for the millions

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of EU nationals who have already made their lives here in the UK.

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Officials in Nigeria say two young girls have been

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At least one other person died in the attack in a packed

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marketplace in Maiduguri which is situated in the north

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Authorities described the girls as being 7 or 8 years old.

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It's not known which group was behind the bombings.

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But Boko Haram militants have carried out similar attacks before.

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Syrian activists say government forces have retaken another key

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district of eastern Aleppo from the rebels, after a night

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Forces loyal to President Assad now control the overwhelming

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The advance comes less than 24 hours after rebels received a US-backed

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proposal to leave Aleppo along with civilians, under safe passage

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More than ten thousand civilians are reported to have fled Aleppo

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The Prime Minister is understood to be considering plans to allow

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councils in England and Wales to increase council tax to fund

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It follows warnings that the system could "topple at any moment" leading

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to pressure on the NHS if patients cannot be released from hospital.

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Local councils have suffered more than a 40% reduction

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Many GPs in England have stopped providing some forms

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of contraception because of funding cuts, the Victoria Derbyshire

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Some clinicians have said cuts to contraceptive services

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will mean "more unplanned pregnancies and abortions".

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The Advisory Group on Contraception's research comes

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after the Government announced public health cuts totalling more

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and we will have more on that for you at quarter past.

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Scientists have expressed concern about a surge in the levels

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of methane gas being released into the atmosphere.

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US researchers say emissions of methane -

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a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide -

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are growing at their fastest rate in 20 years.

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The cause is thought to be agriculture, with rice paddies

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and cattle significant sources of methane.

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Scientists say efforts to tackle climate change will be undermined

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unless the emissions are brought under control.

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The Home Secretary is planning to make it become a criminal offence to

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become a member of the far right group. Members of the rail union

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Aslef are planning three days of strikes this week, a move the Home

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Secretary called totally unacceptable. The strikes will halt

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all Southern services, affecting millions of passengers every day.

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Santa Claus may have to look for a new animal

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to pull his sleigh in future, because apparently reindeer

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Scientists have found that wild reindeer living in the Arctic weigh

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Changes to winter and summer conditions are causing the animals

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to develop smaller body sizes, to die younger and to

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That is a summary of the latest news. I will have more at 9:30am.

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Thank you for your comments on cuts to contraceptive services. Mari on

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Facebook says, why are we surprised, even GPs do not do proper

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consultation any more. John says, why do we blame the NHS for our own

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sexual well-being? Money for the vulnerable or money for family

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planning? Do get in touch. Let's get some sport now. John, a nightmare

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for England's cricketers? They are looking for Christmas to

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come early, a little bit of trouble for them out there in India are the

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moment, they lost their fourth test by one innings and 36 runs. They

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needed the bottom order to show resistance, but when Jonny Bairstow

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went, it was looking unlikely, and they lost their remaining four

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wickets in just over half an hour. Ravi Ashwin Mandarin the damage of

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India, he took six wickets in this innings. This follows a man of the

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match performance from Virat Kohli with an incredible score of 235

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yesterday, so England are now 3-0 down in the series with one match to

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play, and I think they would rather fancy coming home now for an early

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Christmas! Let's talk about Chelsea. What is

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behind their superb run? You do wonder, because Antonio Conte

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is using the same players that Jose Mourinho had at his disposal when he

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was sacked last season. They just have their fighting spirit back

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again, that determination. He has managed to galvanise this group of

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players once again, and that man, Diego Costa, who scored the winning

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goal against West Brom yesterday, he is now the Premier League's leading

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goal-scorer, and they are on a nine match winning run, seeing them top

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the table with 37 points, so they are going very well. But that

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fighting spirit boiled over when they played Manchester City in the

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previous match. They have been charged by the FA for failure to

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control their players, but Antonio Conte has laughed off suggestions

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that they could face a points deduction despite the fact that they

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have failed to control players for the fifth time in 19 months. They

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will face punishment, but we wait to see what it will be.

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And the fallout for the Russian doping scandal goes on on?

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Yes, you wonder what is next. The second part of Richard McLaren's

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report came out on Friday, providing that extra detail into the

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state-sponsored doping programme. Now Latvia have come out to say that

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they will now boycott the world Skeleton bobsleigh champion that are

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due to take place in February. They have said they will only take part

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if it is moved. And Lizzy Yarnold who won gold in the skeleton bob out

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in Sochi in the winter Olympics says she may boycott the World

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Championships. So the sporting community taking a stand against

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Russia following those revelations about the state-sponsored doping

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programme, and you wonder what further punishment are to come. The

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IOC have said they will retest the samples of all Russian athletes from

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the London Olympics and the Sochi Games, but I think the sporting

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community wanting to see a greater stand taken, and some suggesting

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Russia should have the World Cup taken away. We wonder what is to

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come. More from John throughout the morning, thank you.

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This morning, could a lack of choice when it comes to contraception

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for women lead to a rise in unplanned pregnancies

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This programme has learnt that many GPs in England have stopped

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providing some forms of contraception

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Clinicians are warning it could mean "more unplanned

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Jean Mackenzie has this exclusive report

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which does contain some frank details.

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I experienced weight gain, complete loss of libido, I had thrush. I just

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felt like I wasn't me. I felt a little bit off of my centre. Sex is

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supposed to be something we enjoy, yet to get contraception is so hard,

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it is a barrier to enjoyment. These are your pills, we have mail

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condoms, and then this is a diaphragm. We also have the

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contraceptive injection, and this is a very flexible plastic ring that

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you can use. There are now 15 types of contraception, but no

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contraception is perfect and works for everyone. Every woman's

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experiences different, and what is important is choice, but how much is

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that choice being eroded? Clinics are having to close down, restrict

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their hours. Difficulty getting to GPs, contraception clinics. We are

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constrained with time and money. I do think we will see an increase in

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abortions and women having unwanted pregnancies. We have seen evidence

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that contraceptive services are being cut, and heard how women's

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choices being taken away. My experience with contraception has

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been a rollercoaster, but mainly at the bottom. It feels as though it's

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messed my body around and my hormones and my emotions. The worst

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contraception I had was the coil. It I just had no libido. I tried

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proguest ropeb pills. One led to heavy bleeding. One led to bleed,

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but really affected my mood. Suddenly I was crying in the shower

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every morning and I felt like I was going to burst into tears at any

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moment and I was so low. After a few months I came off that and

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straightaway I was fine again. I have made the decision not to be on

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any contraception. It means I'm relieved every month when I get my

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period. It is a risk and it makes me quite nervous, but I'm not willing

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to go back and go through those side-effects again.

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Most contraception in England is paid for out of Connell's public

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health budgets, by last year the Government cut by ?800 million over

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six years. Now research by a group of leading sexual health experts

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uncovered cuts to local contraceptive services, they say

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making it harder to get contraception will mean more

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unwanted pregnancies and more abortions. Tracey works with women

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seeking abortions. You speak to women every day whose contraception

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failed them. What are they saying to you? Women tell me every day that

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their choice has been taken away and they tell me about the difficulties

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in accessing services, difficulty getting into GPs, they are not

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allowed to have the same pill that they have had. Some women have been

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on the contraceptive patch and they are told their GPs don't do that

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anymore. Some women have been on the ring and they have been told they

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don't do that anymore and they are finding that contraceptive clinics

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have shutdown. Most women get their contraception

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from their GP and in recent years there has been a drive to offer

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women a range of options particularly what is called long

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acting contraception, things like the coil and the implant, but in

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some surgeries those options are being taken away. A third of

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councils are in the process of making these cuts to long acting

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contraception. This doctor's practise has stopped

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offering some of these methods. As a female doctor I feel terribly

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embarrassed that I can't offer my patients a local service in my

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practise. My concern is for my patients and I do feel that, you

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know, I feel bad when I have to say, I'm sorry, if you want the implant

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you would have to go elsewhere. Recently I had a woman who came in,

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she said right, I'm ready. She wanted the coil. We had a discussion

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about it and unfortunately, we couldn't arrange that for her here

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so I said you need to go to the family planning centre and I found

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out there was a like a six-week wait and you know, we just laughed and I

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said, you will probably get pregnant before you get your next coil at

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this rate. It is quite shocking. How much pressure are GPs under to

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prescribe women contraception based on how much they cost? I'd like to

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say we would always give a woman what she wants, but drug costs are

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an issue and they are at the back of most GP's mind when they are doing

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prescriptions. If someone was for example talking about the ring, you

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are thinking OK, that's about ?30 for three months compared to an

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ordinary pill which is ?1.80 for three months.

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We have seen a survey of more than 1,000 GPs. Only 2% said they offered

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all 15 methods of contraception. And more than half said there isn't

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enough time in an appointment to give a woman all the information she

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needs. What impact does it have on women if they are not given the

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contraception that they want? You're less likely to get a woman coming

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back for repeat prescriptions. That pill that's giving her maybe

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side-effects that she couldn't come back to you and talk about because

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she felt that was her only option, that's a challenge. And so you then

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you find women coming in, they are pregnant and you are saying, but you

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were given the pill, contraception is only as good as you use it and if

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that woman isn't comfortable with the choice that you've made for her

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rather than what she wanted then that really is a failure towards

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those patients. I went on the pill when I was about

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18 or 19. I found it uncomfortable to say the least. I just found I

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didn't feel myself. After experiencing those side-effects I

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decided that I didn't want to take hormonal contraception. My first

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stop was a diaphragm. I looked into every single option and I decided I

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didn't want the impact. The nurse's reaction wasn't positive. Her

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reaction was terrible. She told me I was going to get pregnant and she

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told me it wasn't effective and because I'm young I was super

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fertile. She laughed me out of the room and she reluctantly fitted, but

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because of her reaction when I was having trouble with it or when I

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wasn't quite sure, I didn't want to go back and I didn't want to go

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back. So I just stopped, I just gave up on it. I basically got pregnant

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and although that was, it was unplanned, it was definitely

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unplanned and definitely a lot, I was at uni and yeah, it was tough.

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As much as I don't want to say it is the system's fault that I got

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pregnant, there is blame there. There is definitely blame there. I

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felt like I had made an informed choice based on the information I

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had available to me, and when I walked into that clinic, I felt that

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I wasn't supported in that choice and that eventually led to my

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contraception failing me. As well as GPs women can go to sexual health

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clinics for their contraception, but a quarter of councils have closed

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clinics or are looking at cutting them back. I'm really lucky here

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because our access hasn't been restricted. In other areas, clinics

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are having to close down. They're having to restrict their hours.

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They're losing staff. Certainly outside London, women may have to

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travel enormous distances in order to access sexual health settings

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which may only be open a couple of days a week. What do you say happens

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to sexual health clinics? We are seeing an increase in women seeking

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long acting methods of contraception because they're having difficulty

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accessing that elsewhere. So these are the methods which would

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probably, the pills and emergency contraception are probably the

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things that most women would access from their GPs. Then on the other

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hand we've got what we call our long acting reversible methods. The

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coils, the implant and the injection and it is these methods that we're

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seeing in some areas being restricted because they're perceived

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to be expensive and GPs might not actually be able to prescribe them.

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These methods here, the patch and the ring, also very good and easy to

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prescribe from general practice, but we're seeing the funding for those

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being limited because they're thought to be quite expensive

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methods. We're actually really leaves us with a limited choice

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which many women might find the only methods they're able to get hold of.

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What happens when you restrict women's choice? You take away

:24:21.:24:26.

options from them? While all these new methods of contraception have

:24:27.:24:30.

been developed, which have been so much more reliable, and given women

:24:31.:24:37.

so much more reproductive control, if we remove those choices again, it

:24:38.:24:44.

is an enormous step back woords and the steps forwards we made to help

:24:45.:24:51.

women plan pregnancy at a time that's convenient for them will be

:24:52.:24:55.

undone. If the cuts carry on at the rate we're seeing now, we will see

:24:56.:25:01.

another escalation in teenage pregnancy, unplanned pregnancy and

:25:02.:25:05.

abortion rates. I know what it is like not to get

:25:06.:25:11.

the contraception you want. I went for my six to eight week check-up

:25:12.:25:16.

and discovered that he didn't provide contraception at all and was

:25:17.:25:20.

just kind of given a leaflet and shoved out the door. I was left

:25:21.:25:24.

feeling stranded and alone and quite angry. My next option was to go to a

:25:25.:25:29.

sexual health clinic, but I didn't get the chance to do that until five

:25:30.:25:32.

months after the birth of my daughter. Trying to find a clinic

:25:33.:25:36.

that worked for me was difficult. I had a C-section with my first child

:25:37.:25:41.

and I want able to lift anything heavier than the baby. I had to

:25:42.:25:46.

envisage a situation where I could get somewhere without having to lift

:25:47.:25:50.

the buggy and fit with the opening hours and also it was drop-in. So it

:25:51.:25:53.

was not knowing how long I was going to be there in a waiting room with a

:25:54.:25:59.

young baby. So to go without contraception for into that period

:26:00.:26:05.

meant it was more difficult in terms of me and my partner having the

:26:06.:26:11.

intimacy that we fleetingly got to have with a five-month-old baby. We

:26:12.:26:15.

take risks when choice is taken away from you. You don't like to say that

:26:16.:26:22.

because you're trying to be conscientious with your health. I

:26:23.:26:26.

have had sex and I have not had protected sex and I could have got

:26:27.:26:29.

pregnant. It shouldn't be that hard to get the pill. A third of women

:26:30.:26:35.

who need contraception live in an area now where services are

:26:36.:26:40.

restricted in some way. Most women try very hard to avoid a

:26:41.:26:44.

pregnancy. They use condoms or they use the pill, but there is nothing

:26:45.:26:48.

they can do about a six-week wait to get the implant fitted or a coil

:26:49.:26:52.

fitted and they feel quite helpless about it. How concerned are you

:26:53.:26:56.

about the direction that this is going in? I'm really concerned. We

:26:57.:27:00.

have spent years doing really good work. Contraception, sexual health,

:27:01.:27:08.

all that, now but now with all the cuts what we're looking at is an

:27:09.:27:12.

increase in unwanted pregnancies. Someone made an informed decision

:27:13.:27:17.

that out of all these options I want to choose this, it is the duty of

:27:18.:27:21.

the healthcare professional to support them in that choice, give

:27:22.:27:24.

them as much information as they can to get on with that and when that

:27:25.:27:27.

isn't happening, that's a failure. We did, of course, ask

:27:28.:27:39.

the Department of Health to talk to us today,

:27:40.:27:42.

but they said no. They did however tell

:27:43.:27:44.

us that they believe, "Local areas are best placed

:27:45.:27:46.

to decide how to provide the sexual health services

:27:47.:27:48.

their communities need." If you want to read more about that

:27:49.:27:50.

you can find an in depth article on the BBC News site

:27:51.:27:53.

and you can find the full film on our programme

:27:54.:27:56.

page bbc.co.uk/Victoria Debbie says, "Our NHS used to be

:27:57.:28:04.

envied by the world. I'm disgusted this Government has allowed it to

:28:05.:28:10.

fall apart and fail our people. Doctors, nurses, GPs being driven

:28:11.:28:15.

away, not recognising just how precious they are. We see necessary

:28:16.:28:19.

and valuable drugs being denied to women who need them. Now women are

:28:20.:28:24.

losing choice over something so basic as contraception. ." We will

:28:25.:28:32.

talk more about this in the second hour of the programme. Your

:28:33.:28:36.

experiences are very welcome. Get in touch in the usual ways.

:28:37.:28:39.

We talk to the makers of a new BBC Two programme, Muslims Like Us.

:28:40.:28:45.

It's being billed as Big Brother for Muslims,

:28:46.:28:47.

but critics say it could perpetuate negative stereotypes of Muslims.

:28:48.:28:50.

And after carpool karaoke, Madonna has picked up an award

:28:51.:29:03.

for Woman Of The Year and hit out at the sexism, misogyny

:29:04.:29:06.

and ageism she says she's received in her career.

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It's nearly half past nine. Time for a summary of the latest news with

:29:15.:29:18.

Joanna. Good morning. Five former Football Association

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chiefs have urged the Government to reform the structure

:29:23.:29:24.

of the Football Association. They criticised its upper ranks

:29:25.:29:26.

as being "out of balance" and filled David Bernstein, David Davies,

:29:27.:29:29.

Greg Dyke, Alex Horne and David Triesman called

:29:30.:29:33.

for legislation to be passed, blaming the FA's

:29:34.:29:36.

"inability to reform". Six people have been arrested as

:29:37.:29:46.

part of an ongoing investigation under terrorism legislation.

:29:47.:29:55.

The prime minister is understood to be considering plans to allow

:29:56.:29:58.

councils in England and Wales to increase council tax to fund

:29:59.:30:01.

It follows warnings that the system could "topple at any moment" leading

:30:02.:30:05.

to pressure on the NHS if patients cannot be released from hospital.

:30:06.:30:07.

Local councils have suffered more than a 40% reduction

:30:08.:30:09.

Officials in Nigeria say two young girls have been

:30:10.:30:13.

At least one other person died in the attack in a packed

:30:14.:30:17.

marketplace in Maiduguri which is situated in the north

:30:18.:30:19.

Authorities described the girls as being 7 or 8 years old.

:30:20.:30:24.

It's not known which group was behind the bombings.

:30:25.:30:26.

But Boko Haram militants have carried out similar attacks before.

:30:27.:30:31.

Many GPs in England have stopped providing some forms

:30:32.:30:33.

of contraception because of funding cuts, this programme has learned.

:30:34.:30:36.

Some clinicians have said cuts to contraceptive services

:30:37.:30:38.

will mean "more unplanned pregnancies and abortions".

:30:39.:30:43.

The Advisory Group on Contraception's research comes

:30:44.:30:46.

after the Government announced public health cuts totalling more

:30:47.:30:52.

The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has hit out over planned strikes

:30:53.:30:56.

on Southern Rail that are set to cause travel chaos

:30:57.:30:59.

Members of rail union Aslef have planned three days

:31:00.:31:02.

of strikes this week - a move the Home Secretary called

:31:03.:31:05.

The strikes will halt all Southern's services,

:31:06.:31:08.

disrupting the 500,000 passengers who use the service every day.

:31:09.:31:14.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:31:15.:31:18.

John Watson's here now with this morning's sports headlines.

:31:19.:31:22.

England's struggles on their tour of India continues, as they lost by an

:31:23.:31:31.

innings and 36 runs. The bottom order needed to show resistance, but

:31:32.:31:34.

they lost their remaining four wickets in just over half an hour.

:31:35.:31:38.

James Anderson was the last to go, and with him when the series. They

:31:39.:31:44.

are 3-0 down with one Tester play. Chelsea have extended their winning

:31:45.:31:47.

run to nine matches, top of the table after a 1-0 win over West

:31:48.:31:52.

Brom. Yego Costa with the goal. He now has 12 for the season so far,

:31:53.:31:55.

more than any other player in the Premier League. The draw for the

:31:56.:32:00.

Champions League will be made at 11am with Arsenal, Manchester City

:32:01.:32:03.

and Leicester all waiting to see who they will face in the knockout

:32:04.:32:07.

stages, the final of which is to be played in Cardiff this year. And

:32:08.:32:12.

Latvia have said they may pull out of the Skeleton and bobsleigh World

:32:13.:32:16.

Championships next year unless Sochi are removed as hosts. It comes in

:32:17.:32:21.

response to the details of that Russian state-sponsored doping

:32:22.:32:24.

programme which came in the second part of Richard McLaren's report on

:32:25.:32:29.

Friday. That is all the sport for now, plenty more for you later on.

:32:30.:32:32.

Thank you very much. England's Football Association

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is outdated, held back by "elderly white men" and unable to counter

:32:41.:32:42.

the power of the Premier League, say five former executives

:32:43.:32:45.

of the governing body. David Bernstein, David Davies,

:32:46.:32:47.

Greg Dyke, Alex Horne and David Triesman say the FA has

:32:48.:32:49.

failed to self-reform, and they describe their

:32:50.:32:51.

decision-making structures We'll speak to two of those men

:32:52.:32:53.

who've written to MPs But, of course, today's criticism

:32:54.:33:01.

of the FA comes at a time when it's already under intense

:33:02.:33:07.

pressure over the way it's handled historic allegations

:33:08.:33:09.

of sex abuse in football - a story which has unfolded on this

:33:10.:33:11.

programme over the last few month: The impact it has had on my life is

:33:12.:33:21.

just catastrophic. I can't put into words what that has

:33:22.:33:37.

done to me. But I felt that I needed to do this

:33:38.:34:00.

so that other people will come out. You are through to the NSPCC advice

:34:01.:34:04.

line, you are speaking to Sheila. Are you calling with concerns for

:34:05.:34:07.

child? Both my parents have died, and that

:34:08.:34:28.

hurts me. Not telling them. Does it? Yes, but I don't know if it is a

:34:29.:34:33.

good thing that I didn't tell them, because they would have blamed

:34:34.:34:34.

themselves, so... What we have got to do is make sure

:34:35.:34:49.

those victims are supported, that this doesn't turn into an exercise

:34:50.:34:54.

of football trying to protect its own reputation.

:34:55.:35:00.

There is a lot of shame, a lot of guilt attached, a lot of confusion.

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And like I say, it was just impossible at that time to come out,

:35:12.:35:14.

just impossible. Everyone was kind of just naked and

:35:15.:35:28.

would get thrown on this bed, a very quick massage. It was uncomfortable.

:35:29.:35:38.

It's very, very wrong, for a start. I was tired because I had to be back

:35:39.:35:45.

for school, so just lay your head in my lap, and he would be stroking my

:35:46.:35:52.

head and that was when I started thinking that that was odd to me

:35:53.:35:54.

that this was happening. When you signed that confidentiality

:35:55.:36:15.

agreement, what were you thinking when they wanted you to keep quiet

:36:16.:36:21.

about the abuse you have suffered? With the document, I was basically

:36:22.:36:26.

pushed into a corner, and it was basically, there is the money, but

:36:27.:36:29.

to have the money, you have to sign this.

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Let's speak to David Bernstein who was FA chairman from 2011 to 2013,

:36:45.:36:53.

and Greg Dyke who replaced him from then until earlier this year. They

:36:54.:36:57.

have spoken to MPs calling for reform of the FA. Mr Bernstein, what

:36:58.:37:05.

you want to see changed? First of all, this is something I have been

:37:06.:37:08.

speaking about for three or four years, it is not something that has

:37:09.:37:13.

just arisen. Greg will speak for himself, but I know he agrees, we

:37:14.:37:20.

and David Triesman are all very independently of this same view that

:37:21.:37:27.

the FA basically is antiquated, out of date, and not sufficiently

:37:28.:37:35.

independent. What I want to see, the Parliamentary select committee have

:37:36.:37:38.

said the same thing, changes to the FA shareholder base, which I could

:37:39.:37:42.

explain, the FA Council, the FA board, the FA committees, and

:37:43.:37:47.

perhaps later on I would like to see the direction of travel for money

:37:48.:37:51.

that goes from the Premier League actually not to go directly from the

:37:52.:37:54.

Premier League to the rest of the game, but for -- from the Premier

:37:55.:38:01.

League to the FA to reform the FA, because I think it would remove part

:38:02.:38:05.

of the Premier League's soft power that it has and exercises well, and

:38:06.:38:09.

reinforce the power of the FA. We need an FA that can bring better

:38:10.:38:13.

balance back into the niche game. Why didn't you do this when you were

:38:14.:38:20.

chairman? As my predecessor or successor found out, it was

:38:21.:38:24.

basically impossible. I did what I could, I did bring in some reform, I

:38:25.:38:31.

did bring in some independent directors, including a woman, which

:38:32.:38:35.

was some achievement, but beyond that, it is impossible. The

:38:36.:38:38.

structure is resistant to change, and that has been made clear by the

:38:39.:38:44.

select committee's initial report, which remember goes back for five

:38:45.:38:48.

years, and from the letter they have just released. Greg Dyke, you left

:38:49.:38:52.

the FA earlier this year after trying to change things, and

:38:53.:38:59.

failing. All five of you would have fought against being subject to

:39:00.:39:03.

legislation when you lead the organisation. Is it not hypocritical

:39:04.:39:08.

for you to call the legislation now? I'm not sure I would have fought

:39:09.:39:12.

against legislation. What I said was, let's try and reform this place

:39:13.:39:15.

before the legislators have to do it, and in truth, I failed. I

:39:16.:39:20.

couldn't get them to agree, this arcane system wants to carry on as

:39:21.:39:25.

it is. And I think what this letter is really saying to the select

:39:26.:39:31.

committee and to government is, if you want change, you are going to

:39:32.:39:36.

have to do it, because if this organisation will not reform itself,

:39:37.:39:39.

it is in desperate need of reform, and it won't do it. So don't do any

:39:40.:39:44.

more reports saying we want this, we want that, and not doing anything

:39:45.:39:52.

about it. In my time of chairman, two ministers of sport said to me,

:39:53.:39:56.

if you don't change, we are going to change you, and I said, but nobody

:39:57.:40:01.

believes you. And unless you give it some teeth and start to do it, they

:40:02.:40:04.

don't believe you, so they will never reform. Right. Wider you say

:40:05.:40:12.

it is in desperate need of reform? I invite you to go along to a meeting

:40:13.:40:16.

of the FA Council, because it is like stepping back into the 1940s.

:40:17.:40:23.

It is 120 people, overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly men... They

:40:24.:40:30.

are not representative of greater society, but that doesn't tell us...

:40:31.:40:35.

They fight to retain what is, because what is suits them, and in

:40:36.:40:39.

no organisation does that make sense. In any organisation you have

:40:40.:40:45.

to have a structure and a system which embraces change. The venue,

:40:46.:40:52.

and from the council to the board, and the board, as my predecessor

:40:53.:40:58.

just said, the board has a majority from either the national game or

:40:59.:41:03.

from the rational side, and they together join up to make sure that

:41:04.:41:10.

things that we wanted to do was stopped. And therefore it doesn't

:41:11.:41:16.

make sense. What we were saying to Damian Collins, and I hope what he

:41:17.:41:20.

will say when he comes on to your programme is that he will now take

:41:21.:41:26.

some action and press the Government, and then the FA might

:41:27.:41:30.

begin to reform itself, but at the moment, there is no chance. As you

:41:31.:41:34.

say, we will talk to Mr Collins Injera is to moment. I want to move

:41:35.:41:41.

on to historic sexual abuse, and also an FA government issue, the

:41:42.:41:46.

issue of our time. Mr Bernstein, you were chairman of Manchester City

:41:47.:41:51.

from 1984 to 2003, chairman of the FA from 2011 to 2013. Diddy issue of

:41:52.:41:56.

sexual abuse in football ever cross your desk while you were in either

:41:57.:42:01.

role? No, it didn't, it really, really didn't. And if it had done, I

:42:02.:42:05.

would have taken it up and dealt with it. I commend what you have

:42:06.:42:11.

done on this subject, it is awful, and this matter is under

:42:12.:42:15.

investigation now and I hope the investigations are strong enough and

:42:16.:42:19.

independent enough. Let me ask the same question to Mr Dyke... Sorry,

:42:20.:42:29.

but what I would say is that if an organisation is modern, cutting-edge

:42:30.:42:34.

and with a modern society, it is more likely to react to things like

:42:35.:42:38.

this positively and less likely to sweep them under the carpet. We will

:42:39.:42:43.

see what comes out of these investigations, but this and many

:42:44.:42:48.

other issues go back over decades, and I believe would have been

:42:49.:42:51.

treated more efficiently and in a more sympathetic way had the

:42:52.:42:55.

organisations themselves been modernised. Right. Mr Dyke, Mr

:42:56.:43:02.

Bernstein never heard anything about allegations of abuse. What about you

:43:03.:43:07.

when you are in the top job? I have to say in the three years I was

:43:08.:43:09.

chairman, it never came across my desk. What did come across my desk

:43:10.:43:18.

was, were our processes effective? Most of the complaints I have heard

:43:19.:43:23.

so far, most of the cases are historic cases, they are not modern

:43:24.:43:28.

cases, and I think the FA staff have run quite an effective system in

:43:29.:43:33.

recent years, but hopefully they will now set up an investigation

:43:34.:43:36.

that looks at how effective is the existing system, and could that be

:43:37.:43:45.

improved, because clearly that is the priority before we go back to

:43:46.:43:48.

historic cases. I take your point that some of the cases are

:43:49.:43:52.

historical. But I put it to you again, we now know nearly 100 clubs

:43:53.:43:58.

have been named over 80 alleged abusers. Is it really feasible, is

:43:59.:44:02.

this what you are telling the audience, is it really feasible that

:44:03.:44:08.

the people at the top knew nothing? Absolutely. I assure you that was

:44:09.:44:16.

the case. These questions need to be addressed to many others as well, to

:44:17.:44:20.

the Premier League, to the football league, and also to the PFA. The PFA

:44:21.:44:25.

is the players union, and you would have thought that would be the first

:44:26.:44:28.

port of call that players would go to if they were in trouble, and I

:44:29.:44:32.

would be fascinated to know how over 20 or 30 years, the PFA never seemed

:44:33.:44:36.

to know about these things or react to these things. That would be the

:44:37.:44:40.

first port of call, I would have thought. Mr Dyke? And the clubs,

:44:41.:44:44.

they are the employer. The clubs employ these people. As I say,

:44:45.:44:54.

certainly in my three years, this did not cross my desk. Unless it is

:44:55.:44:58.

referred up to you as chairman, you are not likely to discover it

:44:59.:45:01.

yourself unless somebody writes to you, and nobody wrote to me. Again,

:45:02.:45:07.

it may not have crossed your desk, Mr Dyke. In the time when you were

:45:08.:45:11.

chairman, Barnsley have confirmed they hired an Academy physio without

:45:12.:45:15.

doing all the criminal record checks on him. So in your time as boss,

:45:16.:45:25.

that was happening. We are not in charge of Barnsley. But you were the

:45:26.:45:31.

top man running the FA! What is interesting to me seems to be first

:45:32.:45:36.

of all you need an urgent checks, which is what the FA are doing, on

:45:37.:45:41.

the processes that exist now and how effective they are. On the second

:45:42.:45:46.

case, you then have to get into the historic cases. But I can only tell

:45:47.:45:51.

you what happened. As the chairman of the FA, I really wouldn't have

:45:52.:45:56.

known that Barnsley would have employed someone who hadn't passed

:45:57.:45:58.

the checks. I made a mistake, it was in Mr

:45:59.:46:13.

Bernstein's time. Those decisions are not referred up. Now, there

:46:14.:46:21.

should be a checking system. Let's not kid ourselves, whatever you do,

:46:22.:46:26.

you're going to avoid this happening on odd occasions. What you want to

:46:27.:46:32.

know, it is not a systematic process, it is not systematically

:46:33.:46:37.

happening as it seems to be in the 90s. Gagging clauses... Victoria,

:46:38.:46:43.

coming back to the, sorry, coming back to the core issue here which is

:46:44.:46:48.

the FA structural governance, you had an FA council, an FA board, an

:46:49.:46:54.

FA shareholder base, all modernised and geared and more receptive to

:46:55.:46:59.

these things, there is more likelihood the whole atmosphere

:47:00.:47:02.

within the Football Association and within football generally would be

:47:03.:47:07.

to take these things on board and maybe there would be less reluctance

:47:08.:47:16.

- Greg is right, he and I, I certainly and he, I'm sure never had

:47:17.:47:21.

these things put on our desks and we are both strong enough in

:47:22.:47:23.

personalities, if we had done, we would have reacted to them. This

:47:24.:47:30.

e-mail from Philippa, will nobody in FA management take responsibility.

:47:31.:47:35.

"I do not believe these guests when they say they knew nothing about the

:47:36.:47:41.

abuse. It is not credible." I can't do much about that. The answer is,

:47:42.:47:46.

it was not, it did not, and I mean you also need to look at the

:47:47.:47:49.

position of the media and everybody else involved in this because

:47:50.:47:54.

actually it is Channel 4 did do a Dispatches back in the 1990s on this

:47:55.:48:00.

and no one else followed it up. I mean, it is only the FA, this is a

:48:01.:48:06.

societal thing of that time. What is essential to know is are the systems

:48:07.:48:13.

today effective? Gagging clauses which I think was in your time as FA

:48:14.:48:18.

chairman Mr Greg Dyke, did Chelsea break FA rules in your mind? I'm not

:48:19.:48:22.

there now so I don't know what happened. I haven't seen a report. I

:48:23.:48:28.

have only seen what's happened. What I do know is a lot of organisations

:48:29.:48:37.

when they are historically when they have been given these issues have

:48:38.:48:41.

not accepted liability, but paid compensation on the basis of a

:48:42.:48:45.

gagging clause and that doesn't only happen, the BBC does it which I know

:48:46.:48:50.

intimately. It doesn't mean to say you accept guilt, it means you

:48:51.:48:54.

accept that there is a case and you wish to end the case. David

:48:55.:49:01.

Bernstein, could you see a situation where a case involving sexual abuse

:49:02.:49:05.

could be subject to a gagging clause? I don't know the answer to

:49:06.:49:09.

that. It is something I can't answer. I don't know.

:49:10.:49:16.

Should clubs face some sart of sanction if they're found to use

:49:17.:49:23.

them? Neither David or I are in a position to know that. We haven't

:49:24.:49:27.

seen all the details, but in the end the clubs are the employer. Not the

:49:28.:49:32.

FA. And in the end, it is the employer who has the responsibility.

:49:33.:49:40.

Could we go back to the wider issue? What I think is, that there is no

:49:41.:49:47.

effective regulation in football. And I think you are only going to

:49:48.:49:51.

get effective regulation if either the FA becomes more independent or

:49:52.:49:57.

you have an outside regulator. OK. If you look at the Premier League,

:49:58.:50:03.

the Premier League is 20 clubs, 20, what are now big businesses, coming

:50:04.:50:07.

together to sell their rights together in a cartel. If you did

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that in any other industry people would laugh at us. It is actually

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quite effective in football, but you can only do it therefore if you have

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an effective regulator as well because it is a cartel. OK, well I'm

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sure the Premier League would reject that.

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David yen Collins you received the letter. You're chair of the culture,

:50:30.:50:33.

media, and sport Select Committee. The Premier League accused by Greg

:50:34.:50:36.

Dyke there of operating like a cartel. What's your view? Well, the

:50:37.:50:43.

former chairmen are right that the Premier League are incredibly

:50:44.:50:46.

powerful and works strongly for the interest of its member clubs, but

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the issue with English football as Greg Dyke said, there is no

:50:50.:50:53.

effective regulator for English football. The FA doesn't have the

:50:54.:50:58.

power to say there is an issue we're going to resolve, it doesn't matter

:50:59.:51:02.

if it is a Premier League issue or conference issue, we are the

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governing body and we have the final say. Would you back an external

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regulator? The FA should be the regulator for English football. It

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should be the governing body and have the powers and the independence

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to regulate the whole of the game. But it doesn't have that. So would

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you back an external force or not? What I'm proposing in response to

:51:21.:51:24.

the letter we've received from David Bernstein and Greg Dyke and the

:51:25.:51:30.

other former officials, we restrict ture the Football Association using

:51:31.:51:33.

legislation in line of the recommendations made by the Select

:51:34.:51:36.

Committee report. It would give the Chief Executive and the chairman of

:51:37.:51:41.

the fae along with independent non-executive directors a majority

:51:42.:51:50.

on the board so they could outvote the Premier League representatives

:51:51.:51:53.

and behave like a governing body. You talk about legislation? What I

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have asked the clerk ins Parliament is produce a Draft Bill which we'll

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publish in the New Year and it is possible to create a Bill which can

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legislate to change the rules of a private organisation like the

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Football Association. So Parliament could pass a Bill that would

:52:08.:52:11.

externally reform the constitution and the FA and we would leave it to

:52:12.:52:15.

the FA to use the new powers to be an effective regulator for the game.

:52:16.:52:19.

Is the FA a stagnant old boys club? Well, yes. It doesn't represent the

:52:20.:52:23.

modern game. It doesn't represent the people that play the game today

:52:24.:52:26.

and it is not effective at dealing with the challenges that face

:52:27.:52:29.

football today. And I think that's why it needs to be totally reformed

:52:30.:52:34.

and I think legislation is the only way it can be done. What is really

:52:35.:52:38.

significant about the letter we received, David Bernstein and Greg

:52:39.:52:42.

Dyke and David Davis, they have all appeared in front of the Select

:52:43.:52:44.

Committee and they have been asked about reform and done their best to

:52:45.:52:49.

achieve reform. Here we have senior figures from the football family

:52:50.:52:52.

saying it cannot be done without legislation to drive through the

:52:53.:52:55.

change. When you spock to us a couple of weeks ago, you told us

:52:56.:53:00.

that you were concerned that the FA's internal inquiry into

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allegations of sexual abuse in football was being run by a QC who

:53:04.:53:07.

had worked with the FA previously. And you worried about her

:53:08.:53:10.

independence. You also worried about whether they were going to publish

:53:11.:53:13.

the findings of that I review. They have changed the QC and they say

:53:14.:53:16.

they are committed to publishing it. Are you happy? Yes, I am. I think

:53:17.:53:21.

the scope of the inquiry, it is better set-up and it is broader and

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it has got the power to go into the clubs and investigate what went

:53:26.:53:27.

wrong in the clubs which is conclusion. What I said to the FA,

:53:28.:53:31.

the only grounds for not publishing anything within the report should be

:53:32.:53:35.

the relegation of the police that doing so may compromise an open

:53:36.:53:38.

investigation, but the FA shouldn't have the power to block any of it on

:53:39.:53:43.

policy grounds or football maybe embarrassed. This has to be

:53:44.:53:48.

completely transparent. By having a properly published report and a

:53:49.:53:52.

proper debate, we can check it a make sure the current safeguarding

:53:53.:54:04.

procedures are in place. Should the Scottish FA launch their inquiry? I

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think so. I think all national governing bodies of sport should

:54:09.:54:11.

behaving a serious look at their own sport because I don't believe this

:54:12.:54:16.

is purely a football problem. It probably affected other sports too.

:54:17.:54:19.

Football is a popular game that it is likely to involve more cases, but

:54:20.:54:23.

there are safeguarding issues elsewhere. I have not seen any

:54:24.:54:26.

evidence, but all sports should take this seriously. Thank you very much.

:54:27.:54:31.

Damien Collins head of the culture rks maod, media and sport Select

:54:32.:54:33.

Committee. Your views are welcome. Get in

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touch. Madonna picks up an award

:54:41.:54:44.

for Woman of the Year and hits out at the sexism,

:54:45.:54:47.

misogyny and ageism she says she's These are the ?995 trousers

:54:48.:54:50.

at the centre of a row This woman, the former

:54:51.:55:00.

Education Secretary Nicky Morgan, criticised those leather trousers

:55:01.:55:03.

saying they'd been "noticed and discussed" in local Tory circles

:55:04.:55:06.

and that she didn't think she'd ever spent that much on anything apart

:55:07.:55:12.

from her wedding dress. As a result of her comments on those

:55:13.:55:17.

trousers, Nicky Morgan got dumped via text from a meeting

:55:18.:55:22.

with Theresa May at Downing Street. And now it's being claimed that

:55:23.:55:27.

after all that criticism - Nicky Morgan owns a handbag

:55:28.:55:30.

worth ?950 anyway. Our political correspondent

:55:31.:55:35.

Chris Mason is here. Right, where do you want to start

:55:36.:55:55.

with this? Let's have a look at trouser texts that you have been

:55:56.:56:01.

referring to. This refers to Amanda Wakeley designed bitter chocolate

:56:02.:56:03.

leather trousers. They are the trousers that Theresa May was

:56:04.:56:06.

photographed in the Sunday Times a couple of weeks ago. Prompted this

:56:07.:56:10.

row over text message between Downing Street, Nicky Morgan, the

:56:11.:56:15.

former Education Secretary and Alistair Birt a former minister was

:56:16.:56:19.

involved in this. Here are the trouser texts. Let's look at them.

:56:20.:56:25.

Alistair Birt and Nicky Morgan were at a meeting in Downing Street, but

:56:26.:56:30.

at po thant Fiona Hill the joint Chief-of-Staff said to Alistair

:56:31.:56:34.

Birt, "Don't bring that woman to Number Ten again." This after Nicky

:56:35.:56:40.

Morgan had passed judgement on the foft those leather trousers saying

:56:41.:56:44.

they did not pass the Loughborough market test! Loughborough the town

:56:45.:56:47.

in the East Midlands that Nicky Morgan represents in Parliament. She

:56:48.:56:54.

said she couldn't go out into Loughborough market wearing those

:56:55.:56:59.

trousers people would think it was ridiculous she spent ?995 on the

:57:00.:57:06.

trousers. If you pass comment on somebody's expensive clothes

:57:07.:57:09.

somebody will find stuff that you bought that might be expensive.

:57:10.:57:17.

Enter Nicky Morgan's brown leather Bays Water bag from a brand called

:57:18.:57:26.

Mulberry! It cost yes, ?950, ?45 cheaper than the trousers! But still

:57:27.:57:29.

about the same cost that I would have spent on a second-hand car!

:57:30.:57:37.

I love the way you say bitter chocolate and the rest of us would

:57:38.:57:43.

say brown! OK. Where are we in this row between Number Ten and Theresa

:57:44.:57:49.

May's people, who protect her and surround her and the former

:57:50.:57:53.

Education Secretary? I would like to tell you that this is a row that

:57:54.:58:02.

groans with national input! Firstly, Nicky Morgan and Theresa

:58:03.:58:06.

May, in case you hadn't guessed it, don't get on! They didn't really get

:58:07.:58:10.

on when they were around the Cabinet table and since Nicky Morgan was

:58:11.:58:13.

fired by Theresa May a couple of months ago, there have been plenty

:58:14.:58:18.

of barbs coming from Nicky Morgan in the direction of Downing Street and

:58:19.:58:22.

she said she is somebody who is willing to continue doing that and

:58:23.:58:27.

put her head above the para pet. Some have criticised and regularly

:58:28.:58:31.

criticised a sexist stint as they see it in the media to bang on and

:58:32.:58:37.

on about bang Theresa May's clothes, but this was a photograph she sat

:58:38.:58:40.

down to have taken by the Sunday Times. She wasn't snapped in her

:58:41.:58:46.

constituency going to church by someone on a camera phone hiding in

:58:47.:58:50.

the bushes! This was something prearranged. It is not just female

:58:51.:58:56.

Prime Ministers who of pictures taken of them in clothing that

:58:57.:59:00.

causes a remark. This is the former Prime Minister, also in the same

:59:01.:59:08.

newspaper the Daily Mail wearing jazzy trunks. James our cameraman

:59:09.:59:17.

has a pair of them. They feature a picture of a 1969 swimming pool at

:59:18.:59:24.

the exclusive hotel Eden Rock in a chic French Mediterranean resort. So

:59:25.:59:32.

it is not posh leather trousers or indeed posh Mulberry or whatever it

:59:33.:59:38.

is bags, swimming trunks can feature too and why not?

:59:39.:59:43.

Anyway, there is my pitch to be fashion editor. It is Mulberry, you

:59:44.:59:50.

know that! Sales of those trunks are they going to go up or down as a

:59:51.:59:54.

result of that photo of Mr Cameron? I wonder if those trousers will end

:59:55.:59:59.

up in a charity shop in Maidenhead in the Prime Minister's

:00:00.:00:03.

constituency. They may only be ?825 now!

:00:04.:00:13.

Let's get the latest weather update with Carol.

:00:14.:00:17.

We have had fog and frost. We've had a fair bit of rain around and there

:00:18.:00:24.

is more rain to come too. So to show you a picture of what we've had, one

:00:25.:00:29.

of our Weather Watchers sent this in from Lincolnshire. There is fog

:00:30.:00:33.

across parts of Eastern England. If you're travelling on the M1 or A1

:00:34.:00:36.

bear that in mind. The fog will linger in the hills and

:00:37.:00:58.

it will be fairly cloudy. We've got another weather front coming our way

:00:59.:01:01.

aacross Western Scotland and Northern Ireland. So after a bright

:01:02.:01:05.

start, the rain moves in. Some of it will be heavy through the day as it

:01:06.:01:09.

will across the islands and Highlands of Scotland too, but

:01:10.:01:12.

north-east Scotland seeing something brighter, not just now, but into the

:01:13.:01:15.

afternoon. As we come south, there will be more cloud around and

:01:16.:01:19.

splashes of rain. After a bright start in north-west England, the

:01:20.:01:22.

rain moves up from the south-west towards the north-east. Not

:01:23.:01:26.

particularly heavy, but it will be surrounded by murky conditions. Same

:01:27.:01:30.

too across East Anglia, Kent and heading over towards the Home

:01:31.:01:34.

Counties. Drifting further west, as the rain clears, it will brighten up

:01:35.:01:38.

nicely across parts of Cornwall and Devon. We could see sunshine through

:01:39.:01:42.

the afternoon, but for Wales, we will have the dank conditions, the

:01:43.:01:46.

hill fog and also the drizzly bits and pieces moving north-east wards.

:01:47.:01:49.

Pembrokeshire could see something brighter later. The rain clears

:01:50.:01:53.

away, but the rain coming in from the west will be heavy as it crosses

:01:54.:01:56.

parts of southern England and Wales. Tonight too, we could see patchy fog

:01:57.:02:01.

reform, but not as widespread as or as dense as we had this morning.

:02:02.:02:07.

Tomorrow the rain continues to journey eastwards clearing off into

:02:08.:02:10.

the North Sea, but there will be a curl behind it across southern

:02:11.:02:12.

England and Wales and that will produce spots of rain. Further

:02:13.:02:16.

north, well, we are looking at brighter skies. Some fog around, it

:02:17.:02:20.

could lift into low cloud. It will be swept away as we head on into

:02:21.:02:24.

Wednesday as another weather front comes our way. That's going to brood

:02:25.:02:29.

deuce more rain and just ahead of, there really isn't much in the way

:02:30.:02:32.

of isobars and what we have are well spaced so that means it won't be

:02:33.:02:36.

windy, but around the weather front it will be so. . So we have got rain

:02:37.:02:41.

spreading in across Northern Ireland and Western Scotland, gusty winds.

:02:42.:02:45.

Ahead of it for England and Wales and Eastern Scotland, a bright day,

:02:46.:02:51.

with sunshine, temperatures not bad for this stage in December. Highs of

:02:52.:02:55.

nine or ten to 13 Celsius as we sweep down towards the south.

:02:56.:03:00.

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

:03:01.:03:08.

This morning: Claims that abortion and unplanned pregnancies could rise

:03:09.:03:10.

because of cuts in funding to the contraception GPs offer.

:03:11.:03:13.

We've spent years doing really good work -

:03:14.:03:15.

contraception, sexual health, all that.

:03:16.:03:17.

But now, with all the cuts, what we're looking at now is

:03:18.:03:19.

We're keen to hear your views on the contraceptive

:03:20.:03:24.

Also on the programme: Two former heads of the FA tell us why it

:03:25.:03:29.

What this letter is really saying to the select committee and to

:03:30.:03:41.

Government is, if you want to change, you are going to have to do

:03:42.:03:45.

it, because this organisation will not reform itself, it is in

:03:46.:03:48.

desperate need of reform and it will not do it. The bosses also told us

:03:49.:03:54.

that the issue of abuse in football never reach their desk when they

:03:55.:03:58.

were in charge of the organisation. No, it didn't, it really didn't, and

:03:59.:04:03.

I must tell you, if it had done, I would have taken it up and dealt

:04:04.:04:07.

with it. Do let us know your views about what they told us this

:04:08.:04:13.

morning. You can e-mail or get in touch on Twitter.

:04:14.:04:16.

Plus BBC Two's new TV programme Muslims Like Us is being billed

:04:17.:04:19.

as Big Brother for Muslims - but will it end up perpetuating

:04:20.:04:22.

I'm your average, normal British Muslim person.

:04:23.:04:26.

We're the majority, but our voice is the least heard.

:04:27.:04:31.

We'll talk to the makers of the show.

:04:32.:04:40.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:04:41.:04:46.

Five former Football Association chiefs have urged the Government

:04:47.:04:51.

to reform the structure of the Football Association.

:04:52.:04:53.

They criticised its upper ranks as being "out of balance" and filled

:04:54.:04:56.

David Bernstein, David Davies, Greg Dyke, Alex Horne

:04:57.:04:59.

and David Triesman called for legislation to be

:05:00.:05:01.

passed, blaming the FA's "inability to reform".

:05:02.:05:05.

Their concerns were set out in a letter to the Culture,

:05:06.:05:07.

Its chairman says legislation is needed to turn the FA

:05:08.:05:11.

The letter that was sent to the committee clearly

:05:12.:05:17.

demonstrates the frustration of the former chairman of the FA

:05:18.:05:21.

that they did not have the power to get through the full

:05:22.:05:24.

that they wanted power and football is dominated by a series of vested

:05:25.:05:27.

Six people have been arrested this morning on suspicion of offences

:05:28.:05:33.

Four men from Derby, a woman from London and a man

:05:34.:05:37.

from Burton-on-Trent are being held in police custody on suspicion

:05:38.:05:40.

of preparing for an act of terrorism as part of an ongoing

:05:41.:05:43.

Syrian activists say government forces have retaken another key

:05:44.:05:52.

district of eastern Aleppo from the rebels, after a night

:05:53.:05:54.

Forces loyal to President Assad now control the overwhelming

:05:55.:05:58.

The advance comes less than 24 hours after rebels received a US-backed

:05:59.:06:02.

proposal to leave Aleppo along with civilians, under safe passage

:06:03.:06:05.

More than ten thousand civilians are reported to have fled Aleppo

:06:06.:06:09.

Many GPs in England have stopped providing some forms

:06:10.:06:15.

of contraception because of funding cuts, this programme has learned.

:06:16.:06:17.

Some clinicians have said cuts to contraceptive services

:06:18.:06:19.

will mean "more unplanned pregnancies and abortions".

:06:20.:06:21.

The Advisory Group on Contraception's research comes

:06:22.:06:23.

after the government announced public health cuts totalling more

:06:24.:06:25.

The Home Secretary will lay an order in parliament to proscribe the right

:06:26.:06:40.

wing group National Action, later this morning, to be debated

:06:41.:06:42.

It would mean it would become a criminal offence to be a member

:06:43.:06:46.

or to encourage support for the group.

:06:47.:06:48.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:06:49.:06:50.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:06:51.:06:56.

use the hashtag #Victorialive and if you text, you will be charged

:06:57.:06:59.

E-mail from Janet on GPs cutting back injuries is on contraception

:07:00.:07:08.

methods. Could I said jest to the young woman who holds the GB

:07:09.:07:13.

responsible for the fact that she fell pregnant, she herself made a

:07:14.:07:18.

choice, and there is another choice, not to be sexually active. Thank you

:07:19.:07:22.

for this important issue and the other important issues you raise.

:07:23.:07:26.

John Watson's here again now with more sport.

:07:27.:07:29.

Not a great morning for Alastair Cook and his team, they have lost

:07:30.:07:35.

the fourth match in Mumbai by one innings and 36 runs. The lower order

:07:36.:07:38.

needed to show some resistance, but lost their remaining four wickets in

:07:39.:07:42.

just over half an hour. James Anderson the last ago, and with when

:07:43.:07:48.

the series. There are 3-0 down with one match left to play. The

:07:49.:07:51.

performance has prodded some strong words from former captain Michael

:07:52.:07:56.

Vaughan. The question would be to everyone who has been watching, have

:07:57.:07:59.

they got better? Have they improved as a side, and I don't think they

:08:00.:08:03.

have, and that is a real worry. The fact that they got 400 and could

:08:04.:08:08.

still lose by an innings, last time they lost by eight wickets, the time

:08:09.:08:14.

before 246 runs. When they lose, they get a hammering. Chelsea

:08:15.:08:21.

extended their winning run to nine matches, Diego Costa with his 12th

:08:22.:08:26.

goal of the season earning his side a 1-0 win over West Brom yesterday.

:08:27.:08:29.

Manager Antonio Conte transforming the fortunes of the former

:08:30.:08:34.

champions. It is brilliant in this moment,

:08:35.:08:39.

because we won nine games in a row, and it is fantastic because this

:08:40.:08:43.

league is very tough. A league with great difficulty, and to win nine

:08:44.:08:48.

games in a row, it means that we are working very well. Liverpool are now

:08:49.:08:53.

six points behind the league leaders after dropping points at home.

:08:54.:09:02.

Liverpool managed to pull level when Origi equalised in the second half.

:09:03.:09:07.

2-2 it finished, meaning West Ham are now out of the legation zone.

:09:08.:09:11.

Jose Mourinho got the win he feels his side's recent performances

:09:12.:09:14.

deserve as Manchester United beat Tottenham 1-0. Mkhitaryan with the

:09:15.:09:22.

only goal of the game. United States sixth, and fifth placed Spurs are

:09:23.:09:27.

now ten points off the top. Arsenal, Leicester and Manchester

:09:28.:09:29.

city are waiting to learn who they will face the knockout stages of the

:09:30.:09:33.

Champions League, the draw is being made in around an hour in

:09:34.:09:36.

Switzerland. If any of the three can get there, they won't have to travel

:09:37.:09:41.

far, because the final will be played in Cardiff's principality

:09:42.:09:46.

Stadium in May. And Latvia have said they may boycott the bobsleigh and

:09:47.:09:49.

Skeleton World Championships in Sochi next year unless the event is

:09:50.:09:54.

moved. It comes in response to the second part of the McLaren report

:09:55.:09:57.

which outlined the scale of state-sponsored doping in Russia.

:09:58.:10:02.

Lizzy Yarnold, who won skeleton gold in Sochi at the winter Olympic Saint

:10:03.:10:06.

2014, said she, too, may boycott the games unless a different city is

:10:07.:10:12.

chosen. That is all your sportswear now, more at around half past.

:10:13.:10:16.

Cheers, John. Welcome to the programme.

:10:17.:10:21.

In the last year, we have reported what is happening in Aleppo

:10:22.:10:27.

regularly in this programme. It has been described as a humanitarian

:10:28.:10:28.

disaster. Now Syrian opposition activists say

:10:29.:10:33.

government forces have retaken a key district in the east of Aleppo

:10:34.:10:35.

from rebel fighters overnight. There are claims that rebel forces

:10:36.:10:41.

are using civillians as "human shields", thousands have

:10:42.:10:43.

fled their homes in recent days, those left behind face starvation

:10:44.:10:46.

and a lack of medical People living in East Aleppo

:10:47.:10:56.

are caught in a war between two broad groups: On one

:10:57.:11:01.

side are the Syrian government forces and their allies -

:11:02.:11:04.

which are mainly the Iranians and the Russians, and on the other

:11:05.:11:06.

are the 900 or so jihadis from the al Nusra group -

:11:07.:11:08.

which used to be part of Al Qaeda. It's incredibly difficult to speak

:11:09.:11:11.

to residents inside Aleppo - but a couple of weeks ago we managed

:11:12.:11:14.

that - and this is their story I'm an English teacher

:11:15.:11:24.

at Aleppo high schools. I've been living here for about six

:11:25.:11:35.

years, since the beginning Actually, no one can believe

:11:36.:11:53.

the situation inside Aleppo. No one can imagine what

:11:54.:11:57.

happens inside Aleppo. I'm married with three children,

:11:58.:11:59.

two sons and a daughter. The aircraft just shell and shell

:12:00.:12:13.

and shell, without stopping. And the artillery field

:12:14.:12:25.

shell at the same place. Er, in Aleppo right now, 300,000

:12:26.:12:30.

living in a complete demolition... Every day, dozens

:12:31.:12:33.

of people are dying. I might die just now

:12:34.:12:49.

whilst speaking to you. People just sleep in the darkness

:12:50.:13:00.

and wake up at the voice of the aircraft, at the voice of

:13:01.:13:12.

the bomb, at the voice of missiles. Bombing and targeting

:13:13.:13:19.

people, civilians. My house was targeted

:13:20.:13:22.

and collapsed to the ground. People pulled out

:13:23.:13:31.

from under the rubble. That was a miracle that

:13:32.:13:40.

all of us survived. Sometimes we find people want a car,

:13:41.:13:42.

want something to take dead body, dead sons, dead father,

:13:43.:13:45.

in order to be buried. Even vehicles are not available

:13:46.:13:48.

to bury their sons and their father. Our work seems to be

:13:49.:14:06.

like a drop in the ocean. What can you do for those

:14:07.:14:11.

people who starve? What can you do for those people

:14:12.:14:17.

who are under the rubble? Hundreds and hundreds

:14:18.:14:20.

under the rubble. Up to now there are 30

:14:21.:14:23.

people under the rubble that we couldn't do

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for them anything. People who are being targeted

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or being wounded, we don't know where to get them,

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where to bring them. Just even the small medical

:14:36.:14:37.

centres were completely The hospital right now is the most

:14:38.:14:40.

dangerous place ever in Aleppo. After all the hospitals have been

:14:41.:14:51.

destroyed and crushed. Civilians start to move in large

:14:52.:15:05.

numbers towards the Kurdish area They are quite afraid

:15:06.:15:07.

of more advances towards People who went to the regime

:15:08.:15:15.

areas were all arrested. They arrested all men

:15:16.:15:22.

between 18 and 42. They were taken to the intelligence

:15:23.:15:39.

stations and are still trapped there, and they are going to be

:15:40.:15:46.

investigated, one by one. Some families stay in their homes, and

:15:47.:15:50.

they find themselves just in the hands of the regime. A lot of people

:15:51.:15:54.

would prefer to defend their own land, and they are ready to

:15:55.:15:58.

sacrifice their lives for their land, because they already know that

:15:59.:16:05.

when the regime are getting closer to their areas, they will execute a

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lot of people. The Russian government is seeing

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some sort of political gap in America. We have seen some movement

:16:21.:16:29.

between Barack Obama and the Trump, and there is some sort of political

:16:30.:16:33.

space, so to speak, so they are doing that without any international

:16:34.:16:41.

questioning or even in the midst of international silence, nobody is

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doing anything towards what is happening in Aleppo. People believe

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that the question of Aleppo and the civilians, and shelling the

:16:56.:17:10.

civilians, it is not only a scheme that is written organised, not only

:17:11.:17:21.

Tehran or Moscow, but also Western countries. The UN can do a lot for

:17:22.:17:26.

the people here, the innocent people. They can make pressure on

:17:27.:17:31.

Russia to stop the continual shelling and make a way out for

:17:32.:17:33.

people here to go out. This is a shame of the world because

:17:34.:17:47.

it is 2016 and people have been through this and suffered through

:17:48.:17:51.

this and starving to death. That's the situation in Aleppo.

:17:52.:17:59.

Separatley so-called Islamic State group fighters have re-entered

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the ancient city of Palmyra, nine months after losing

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This footage shows some of the devastating impact on the city.

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Reporters believe IS appears to have taken advantage of the Government's

:18:19.:18:25.

focus on Aleppo. We are going to try and talk now

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live to a resident of Aleppo. An English teacher and Dr David

:18:40.:18:44.

Knott a surgeon who worked in Aleppo and speaks to people there every

:18:45.:18:49.

single day and professor of international relations from the

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London School of Economics. Abdul, thank you very much for

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talking to our British audience. What is it like in Aleppo right now?

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Thank you very much, thank you for letting me go on air. I want to tell

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you what's going on. Most people when they know I'm going to talk to

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you, told me just to send this message - the situation inside

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Aleppo is the doomsday. It is doomsday. It is literally the

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doomsday. Just when I'm coming here to the internet centre, I have to

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take maybe 15 minutes, it is so close to my house because bombs,

:19:37.:19:42.

bombs are everywhere, people are running, they don't know where, just

:19:43.:19:45.

running. Some people are injured in the streets. No one can go to help

:19:46.:19:53.

them. Some of them, some people no one can help them. They just leave

:19:54.:19:59.

them until they die under the rubble. These houses are their

:20:00.:20:07.

graves. Bombs here. People don't know what to do. For me, I risk my

:20:08.:20:16.

life. I risk my life to go out because it is so dangerous. No one

:20:17.:20:23.

can move ten meters or 20 without having bombs close to them. Most

:20:24.:20:27.

people don't have houses because all those people who moved from the

:20:28.:20:34.

areas that were controlled by the regime, now they are in our areas.

:20:35.:20:39.

It is so dangerous and the bombs are likely so they make huge numbers of

:20:40.:20:44.

casualties and kill people. Have you seen in the last few days

:20:45.:20:52.

and weeks any sign of aid agencies, of humanitarian workers, anybody,

:20:53.:20:56.

has anybody been able to get to you to help you and your family? Sorry,

:20:57.:21:05.

can you repeat your question? I might not get it. Have you seen any

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aid agencies or any humanitarian workers who could help you, your

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family, your neighbours? No one could care to come to help us.

:21:19.:21:30.

Russian regime decided to exterminate parts of Aleppo. This is

:21:31.:21:36.

the regime this. Is what some of them are telling us. So no one comes

:21:37.:21:43.

there. No United Nations. No humanitarian agencies can come to

:21:44.:21:49.

help us. All the night and in the morning my wife just has been crying

:21:50.:21:55.

and she doesn't know what to say because it is dangerous. She is

:21:56.:22:02.

always afraid. She is always scared. We don't know what to do, but I want

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to have a comment about something in your report. You said that the

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rebels make us as human shields. This is not true. A lot of people

:22:12.:22:16.

who want to go to the regime areas are going there. Some people can go.

:22:17.:22:22.

For me, I'm talking to you now, so this is a crime for the regime. I

:22:23.:22:27.

will be arrested. I will be put in prison or I'm going to be killed

:22:28.:22:32.

directly. I'm a civilian. I'm not a fighter of the it is a crime for a

:22:33.:22:37.

regime A lot of people here who work as doctors and teachers and as

:22:38.:22:41.

activists will be killed or arrested if they go to the regime. Even their

:22:42.:22:44.

families are going to be killed or arrested. So we can go there. It is

:22:45.:22:50.

not a matter of human shields at allment we don't want to go there.

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We don't want to go to the regime areas. Yes, we might go to the

:22:54.:23:00.

countryside but the regime, it is another kind of death. I understand.

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I'm going to introduce to Dr David Knott who is a surgeon who worked in

:23:08.:23:12.

Aleppo. Talk to Abdul. Abdul, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. I

:23:13.:23:18.

have been on the whatsapp and various messages to your colleagues

:23:19.:23:22.

there, all the doctors, I regularly speak to them every single day and

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we're trying our very, very best because they also will be looked on

:23:27.:23:29.

as terrorists and they also don't want to go into the regime areas.

:23:30.:23:34.

And what we are trying to do is to try and create a ceasefire between

:23:35.:23:39.

the Russians and the Syrian regime and I know the armed operating

:23:40.:23:44.

groups there have agreed to a ceasefire, but at the moment the

:23:45.:23:47.

British Government and everybody are trying their very, very hardest to

:23:48.:23:51.

try and create a ceasefire. That is the most important thing that we're

:23:52.:23:56.

trying to do at this present time. We hope that, really, we hope to

:23:57.:24:00.

have a ceasefire soon because most people now are dying here... Those

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people who are dying here now don't have a chance to go out and to treat

:24:12.:24:17.

their injuries. Of course, no hospitalses awe know, all the

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hospitals were detroud. We might have now a ceasefire just to help

:24:24.:24:29.

those people. At least some people in the rubble, we want to take them

:24:30.:24:34.

out and put them this their graves of the it is catastrophic. It is

:24:35.:24:40.

really catastrophic, it might be one of the worst human situations in the

:24:41.:24:45.

new history. Would you agree with that? Without a dausmt they are in

:24:46.:24:51.

an area by ten kill old terse by ten kilometres and there is 50,000 in

:24:52.:24:55.

that area. We have got children ready to go and patients ready to

:24:56.:24:58.

go, we have got everybody waiting to get out. The UN are surrounding the

:24:59.:25:03.

areas with their vehicles, but the shelling is so intense that nobody

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can move and if you do go outside, you have the problem of being killed

:25:08.:25:13.

and this morning there were women and children killed on the road. The

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big issue is somehow, somehow, the Russians and the Syrian regime need

:25:19.:25:22.

to stop bombing to get the civilians out and that's what we're trying.

:25:23.:25:27.

This is not going happen. What, the ceasefire is not going to happen?

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The ceasefire has been on the table for a week. The Russians and the

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Syrian Army and their allies are trying to do really squeeze the

:25:36.:25:39.

rebels. It is to really bleed the rebels, is to really increase the

:25:40.:25:44.

costs for eastern Aleppo. Aleppo has fallen. The regime now controls

:25:45.:25:51.

almost more than 90%. You have today, last night and today, they

:25:52.:25:55.

captured the neighbourhood which is the nerve centre of the rebels. So

:25:56.:26:00.

with the Syrian Army and its allies are trying to force the rebels to

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surrender, they are not going accept any ceasefire. They want to dictate

:26:05.:26:08.

saying the rebels are going to leave and that's why the pressure, the

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ceasefire is not going to happen, unless there is an agreement for the

:26:12.:26:15.

rebel to exit eastern Aleppo and who is paying the price? The civilians.

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It is a hellish situation on earth for the civilians. You have 150,000

:26:21.:26:26.

civilians in the eastern part in 10% eastern Aleppo. Last week, we were

:26:27.:26:31.

able to negotiate with the Russians to get a road up from east Aleppo,

:26:32.:26:38.

through west Aleppo, up to another area. The road, they agreed and

:26:39.:26:43.

everybody agreed that was the way the teachers, the professionals and

:26:44.:26:46.

the doctors could get out, plus the patients. But the shelling just

:26:47.:26:52.

won't stop. What's happening is you have between 30,000 and 50,000

:26:53.:26:58.

civilians who have been able to leave eastern Aleppo, what do you do

:26:59.:27:02.

when you have 100,000 who don't want to leave? You have a major segment

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of the population who are terrified to go to the western part that's

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controlled by got and the reality is the Americans and the western powers

:27:11.:27:13.

on the one hand and Russia are negotiating a way out. So far, there

:27:14.:27:18.

is no deal. And that's why in the past 24 hours the Syrian Army and

:27:19.:27:23.

its allies have made major inroads into the 10% of eastern Aleppo.

:27:24.:27:28.

Almost 1,000 rebels had to surrender and who knows what's going to happen

:27:29.:27:33.

to them according to Russia? The next 48 hours or two or three days

:27:34.:27:38.

are pivotal, not only deciding the future of the 5,000 rebels, deciding

:27:39.:27:45.

the future of the people who remain in eastern Aleppo. Abdul, we are

:27:46.:27:49.

particularly grateful to you for talking to us. Talking to our

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British audience when things are so dangerous there. Thank you very much

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for your time, Abdul. Thaumpbleghts.

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Professor thank you, and Dr David Knott, thank you. This tweet from

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Michelle, "No help, no humanitarian aid, no one seems tb able to help

:28:14.:28:18.

them." Another tweet, "Future generations will ask what did you do

:28:19.:28:22.

during the massacre in Syria?" Some of the description from Abdul, you

:28:23.:28:26.

know, he said the bombs were like rain. He talked about his wife not

:28:27.:28:31.

being able to stop crying. He was frantic. He was scared. He was

:28:32.:28:35.

desperate and we await to see if there will be a ceasefire.

:28:36.:28:56.

A former youth player at Chelsea, where owe Gradi was assistant

:28:57.:29:04.

manager says he was assaulted by Eddie Heath's the club's chief scout

:29:05.:29:08.

when the boy was 15. Heath who has since died has been accused of

:29:09.:29:14.

several people of abuse in the 70s and 80s, Crewe have yet to speak

:29:15.:29:20.

publicly about Dario Gradi's statement. John Bowler faced

:29:21.:29:29.

questions from journalists. Was it you or the FA that suspended Dario

:29:30.:29:41.

Gradi? I will be putting out a statement later on. We have had a

:29:42.:29:45.

statement from Crewe Alexandra. "Following discussions with the

:29:46.:29:49.

Football Association Crewe can confirm that Dario Gradi is under an

:29:50.:29:55.

FA interim suspension." That's it. That's the length and breadth of the

:29:56.:29:58.

statement from Crewe. Following discussion with the Football

:29:59.:30:02.

Association, Crewe can confirm that Dario Gradi is currently under an FA

:30:03.:30:07.

interim suspension. Dario Gradi, Director of Football and before

:30:08.:30:11.

that, manager, of course as you know for many years. Let's talk to

:30:12.:30:15.

Richard Conway who is at Wembley. Tell us more.

:30:16.:30:22.

A-short statement from Crewe. Just confirming what we have been

:30:23.:30:31.

reporting for around 24 hours that Dario Gradi has been suspended. The

:30:32.:30:37.

FA have taken this action against Dario Gradi. Given the

:30:38.:30:41.

circumstances, surrounding Crewe Alexandra, it is one they clearly

:30:42.:30:46.

have gone. Nothing from the FA themselves on this, but confirmation

:30:47.:30:50.

coming from Crewe. Last week, we should say, there were reports in

:30:51.:30:55.

the Independent newspaper, that Dario Gradi was when employed by

:30:56.:31:01.

xhles in the 1970s involved in smoothing over a complaint of

:31:02.:31:06.

inappropriate behaviour towards a young player who was with Chelsea at

:31:07.:31:11.

the time. Now, it is reported again that that may have prompted action

:31:12.:31:16.

from the FA against Dario Gradi, but we simply do not know at this stage

:31:17.:31:20.

because we don't have information from the FA or from Crewe

:31:21.:31:24.

themselves, just that very brief statement saying that he has been

:31:25.:31:29.

suspended pending this ongoing investigation. Cheers, Richard.

:31:30.:31:31.

Richard Conway at Wembley. Joanna is in the BBC

:31:32.:31:41.

Newsroom with a summary Five former Football Association

:31:42.:31:44.

chiefs have urged the Government Grundy denies any wrongdoing, and

:31:45.:31:54.

says he will assist with the FA's review.

:31:55.:31:59.

Five former Football Association chiefs have urged the Government

:32:00.:32:01.

to reform the structure of the Football Association.

:32:02.:32:03.

They criticised its upper ranks as being "out of balance" and filled

:32:04.:32:06.

David Bernstein, David Davies, Greg Dyke, Alex Horne

:32:07.:32:10.

and David Triesman called for legislation to be

:32:11.:32:12.

passed, blaming the FA's "inability to reform".

:32:13.:32:18.

Six people have been arrested this morning on suspicion of offences

:32:19.:32:21.

Four men from Derby, a woman from London and a man

:32:22.:32:25.

from Burton-on-Trent are being held in police custody on suspicion

:32:26.:32:27.

of preparing for an act of terrorism as part of an ongoing

:32:28.:32:30.

The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has hit out over planned strikes

:32:31.:32:40.

on Southern Rail that are set to cause travel chaos

:32:41.:32:42.

Members of rail union Aslef have planned three days

:32:43.:32:45.

of strikes this week - a move the Home Secretary called

:32:46.:32:48.

The strikes will halt all Southern's services,

:32:49.:32:51.

disrupting the 500,000 passengers who use the service every day.

:32:52.:32:57.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

:32:58.:33:00.

John Watson's here now with this morning's sports headlines.

:33:01.:33:03.

Thank you. England's struggles on their tour of India continue as they

:33:04.:33:11.

lost the fourth test by one innings and 36 runs. To stand any chance of

:33:12.:33:15.

forcing a draw, their bottom order needed to show some resistance this

:33:16.:33:18.

morning, but they lost their remaining four wickets in just over

:33:19.:33:22.

half an hour. James Anderson was last ago, and with him when the

:33:23.:33:26.

series, meaning they are now 3-0 down with one match left to play.

:33:27.:33:30.

Chelsea have extended their winning run in the Premier League to nine

:33:31.:33:34.

matches after a 1-0 win over West Brom. Diego Costa with the only goal

:33:35.:33:38.

of the game. He now has 12 for the season, more than any other player

:33:39.:33:42.

in the league. The draw for the Champions League will be made at 11

:33:43.:33:46.

o'clock, with Arsenal Manchester City and Leicester all waited to see

:33:47.:33:49.

who they will face in the knockout stages, the final of which is to be

:33:50.:33:53.

played with Cardiff's With the polity Stadium. And Latvia have said

:33:54.:33:58.

they may well Paul Aiton of the bobsleigh World Championships next

:33:59.:34:03.

year unless Sochi are removed as hosts. This is in response to the

:34:04.:34:11.

report on the state-sponsored doping system run by Russia according to

:34:12.:34:14.

the McLaren report in 2011 for a four-year period. And that is all

:34:15.:34:20.

your sportswear now. Plenty more on BBC news throughout the day. Thank

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you very much. Condoms, combined pill,

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progesterone pill, implant, injection, hormonal coil,

:34:31.:34:31.

copper coil, diaphragm, cap, female condoms,

:34:32.:34:33.

patch, vaginal ring, female sterilisation,

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male sterilisation, fertility awareness -

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these are the 15 types of contraception that

:34:38.:34:40.

all Gps should provide. But this programme has discovered

:34:41.:34:47.

that some GPs have stopped providing And clinicians are warning it

:34:48.:34:49.

could lead to a rise in abortions A survey of GPs from the family

:34:50.:35:00.

planning Association suggests only 2% offer the full range of

:35:01.:35:04.

contraceptive methods. 53% don't have enough time to give women all

:35:05.:35:08.

the information they need, and 23% won't offer the contraceptive

:35:09.:35:09.

implant. Let's speak now to GP

:35:10.:35:16.

Anne Connolly who is a member of the Advisory Group

:35:17.:35:19.

on Contraception Laura Russell, from And Shelly Raine - a nurse,

:35:20.:35:21.

specializing in contraception and who now trains nurses

:35:22.:35:24.

in the field. Good morning to all of you. Why does

:35:25.:35:28.

this matter? We have seen fantastic reductions in teen pregnancy over

:35:29.:35:34.

the last ten years, and one of the major point about that, one of the

:35:35.:35:39.

major factors in that has been improved education in primary-care,

:35:40.:35:44.

to the contraceptive services. A lot of extra training, but particularly

:35:45.:35:47.

a focus on the much more reliable, much more cost efficient long-acting

:35:48.:35:53.

reversible methods. What is a long acting reversible method? Anything

:35:54.:35:58.

that a user doesn't have to take every day or to use during the

:35:59.:36:05.

actual act of sex. So, the implant, the coil, the injection, what we

:36:06.:36:10.

call the fit and forget methods, so once they are there, they will not

:36:11.:36:14.

fail. But it is rare for a woman not to be able to get hold of

:36:15.:36:23.

contraception. ? It is becoming more difficult, and fundamentally it is

:36:24.:36:26.

about choice for women. When women can choose which contraception to

:36:27.:36:31.

use, they are more likely to use it consistently and correctly. Do you

:36:32.:36:37.

need a choice of 15? Or 15? As we heard in your film earlier, some

:36:38.:36:40.

methods work more effectively for different women, and if you don't

:36:41.:36:43.

have the choice available, you may not find the one that is right for

:36:44.:36:47.

you, and when you consider that women spend around 30 years either

:36:48.:36:54.

planning or preventing pregnancy throughout their lifetime, choice is

:36:55.:36:58.

really important. Shelley, you are a nurse specialising in this area.

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What problems are you seeing because of cuts? We are getting more

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pressure on the clinics and nurses in particular, and we are finding

:37:08.:37:10.

that women are coming to ask, there is reduced access to appointments,

:37:11.:37:17.

reduced choice as we have heard, nurses are under increasing pressure

:37:18.:37:22.

to take on a lot of the workload as staff are leaving, they are having

:37:23.:37:29.

to see more patients in less time, and we are frustrated that we can't

:37:30.:37:32.

give the kind of service that we would like and should be able to

:37:33.:37:37.

give to winning, and if women's choice is reduced, then this is

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going to have a long-term effect. In what respect? Your film showed

:37:43.:37:49.

earlier that people are concerned about possible increases in

:37:50.:37:53.

unplanned pregnancies. If women have a less effective method, then if

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they have problems with a method and they can't get access to a clinician

:37:59.:38:04.

for help or support to either carry on with the same method or change to

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another method, then people are going to take risks, and that is the

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reality of the situation, and we don't want that to happen. We have

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had some viewers saying that women cannot hold partly responsible GPs

:38:22.:38:26.

for an unplanned pregnancy, that is just ridiculous. Would you accept

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that? I think we as GPs need to be able to advise women on all of the

:38:32.:38:34.

methods and support them with their choices. But in the end it is down

:38:35.:38:37.

to the individual to protect themselves? It is, but they can only

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do that if they are aware that they have these options. Really the women

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that are struggling most with all these cuts, particularly around

:38:48.:38:50.

access to the specialist services or to primary-care are women who are

:38:51.:38:55.

already most vulnerable. So we are particularly seeing the young women,

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their services were cut so they don't even know there is an option.

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their services were cut so they need to be a bore to support most,

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because they are the most vulnerable, and they are the women

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struggling to access contraception. And your group is partly funded by

:39:28.:39:30.

drugs company, is that correct? It gets support for it, but those of us

:39:31.:39:36.

who attend meetings do that involuntarily in our own time. So

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you would say it would be unfair if someone accused you of pushing this

:39:41.:39:45.

because you are partly funded by drugs company? I would be

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disappointed if any body for -- if anybody felt that, because we have

:39:53.:39:55.

been pushing the importance of this for women. So is this a message to

:39:56.:40:01.

local authorities as to whether allocate their fund, or to

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Government? Local authorities and GPs are facing increasing strain, so

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this is a message to Government. The funding system is so complex and

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fractured, it makes it really difficult, and there doesn't seem to

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be significant oversight from any particular body of government, and

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that is an important issue that needs to be addressed. A final

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thought from you if I may. If a woman is not getting the choice she

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thinks she should be offered, what should she? It is a case of shopping

:40:29.:40:41.

around. Women can look to where there are clinics local to them,

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they can contact reproductive health centres, they may get some

:40:49.:40:50.

information there to really find where services are locally, because

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that is the message we get when women come to us, that sometimes

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they have had to wait, have to or three visits to be able to access

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one of the more effective methods that they actually want to use when

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they do know about them. Thank you all very much. FDA also has a

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contraception tool that takes into account your physical needs and

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personal preferences, and that will help you decide, Si Woo Kim print

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out the survey and take it to your GP. Thank you all very much. -- so

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you can print it out. The Department of Health didn't want to talk to us

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today. They did however tell

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us that they believe, "Local areas are best placed

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to decide how to provide the sexual health services

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their communities need." A group of EU nationals living

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in the UK want Downing Street to assure them they'll be able

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to stay in the UK after Brexit. They want a guarantee before

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Article 50 is triggered. Sunder Katwala is director

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for British Future, the independent In our Westminster studio

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is the former leader In Cambridge is Jakub Nagrodski,

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who's a student who moved And Anne-Laure Donskoy moved

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here from France nearly 30 years ago Welcome to all of you. Tell us more

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about the recommendations you have come up with. We brought together

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people from both sides of the referendum. We found that we could

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agree that it is the right thing to do that people who live here can

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stay, and secondly, we need a practical plan to do this well. This

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is one of the biggest things the British Government has ever done,

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sofa two thirds of people who have been here for five years, they

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should be able to apply locally, check if they are on the tax

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records, get the green light very simply. And after that? After that

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you would have a process to check the different groups. Everybody who

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was here before the referendum or up to the article 50 date, because you

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need a safe legal moment, should get it guaranteed right to settle.

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People coming after that, that will depend on the new immigration rules

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we make, and you come with your eyes wide open, people who he already did

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not know this was going to happen. Lord Pearson, would you agree with

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that? Of course I agree that the European nationals living here

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should be allowed to stay, I agree completely about that. But the

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problem is that as I understand it, the British Government about a

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fortnight ago did offer the European Union to allow all of the 3 million

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EU citizens living here to stay here provided our 1.2 million citizens

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who are living there could also be guaranteed residency, and the

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problem is that Mrs Merkel and Donald Tusk turned that down. 20

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countries wanted to accept it, but they turned it down as usual because

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they don't give a down about the people who unfortunately suffer

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under their crazy project of European integration. They are only

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interested in keeping the wretched thing alive, and all the EU has to

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do is to accept the offer that was made, which is very much more to

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their advantage than ours, because they have three million people

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living here and we have 1 million people living there, and then this

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would go away, so don't blame the Government, blame, as usual,

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Brussels. Are you even bothered about blaming anybody? I am

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interested about how you feel about your status right now. Good morning,

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thank you for having me on your programme. The way that the 3

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million feel today, there is hope in this report, hope that our status

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will be settled sooner rather than later, because there is so much

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anxiety currently amongst our members. People do not want to be

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treated as bargaining chips. We are people who are just trying to lead

:45:05.:45:07.

ordinary lives just like anybody else. Jakub, what about your own

:45:08.:45:19.

feelings? Good morning. I agree there is so much anxiety in the

:45:20.:45:23.

population of EU nationals living in the UK right now, that this has to

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be settled very quickly, and we would like some sort of guarantee

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that we would not only be able to stay, but for myself and my friends

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as students, we would also like a guarantee that we would be able to

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continue our university courses under the same conditions as we

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applied under, as well as our career prospects will be protected. I

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wonder if you accept Lord Pearson's went, that we need a guarantee about

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the 3 million nationals all swear. We think the British government has

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the ability to do that. In it irrespective of what Angela Merkel

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and Donald Tusk are saying? If the Government insist on doing it both

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ways, let's hope they can do it as quickly as possible. Lord Pearson

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said 20 governments agree already, I wish they would just say in public

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we are going to sort this out. The Polish Prime Minister came to London

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and said nobody wants to feel they are hostages in this negotiation,

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and we should be clear that the first thing we are going to do post

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Brexit, we should do it well and do it properly. Thank you all very much

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for your time. It's been described

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as Big Brother for Muslims - ten British Muslims in a Georgian

:46:49.:46:50.

house in York filmed living together The first of two programmes called

:46:51.:47:05.

Muslims Like Us goes out The ten include a man who announces

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to the group he's gay, and a former boxer, a convicted

:47:10.:47:14.

fraudster who has openly supported On the surface, Britain's 2.7

:47:15.:47:16.

million Muslims are united in faith. But behind closed doors,

:47:17.:47:45.

in Muslim homes across the country, there's a struggle to define

:47:46.:47:47.

what makes a good Muslim. Muslims judge each other too much

:47:48.:47:55.

and hold each other to these I want the foundations of Islam laid

:47:56.:47:58.

out so that Muslims will be happy to say, "I am

:47:59.:48:09.

a fundamentalist Muslim". This religion is betrayed

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by the whole world. Because they are not

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applying it properly. Now, ten Muslims from across Britain

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will live under one I've never heard so much

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emphasis on heaven and hell. Don't tell me what I can talk about.

:48:23.:48:29.

Go start with someone else. Can we ten people come together

:48:30.:48:32.

and understand each other? ..to work out who embodies

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the spirit of Islam... We have huge amounts

:48:36.:48:41.

of racism and anti-blackness We really struggled

:48:42.:48:43.

with looking at our own flaws ..what being a Muslim

:48:44.:48:54.

really means... When I say Allahu akbar, those

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are the best minutes of my life. ..and how that fits

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with modern Britain. Muslims need to integrate

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more for their own sake. You must be where you are.

:49:08.:49:09.

Fully. I'm a Muslim, in case

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you didn't know. Are you?

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I'm part of the EDL. I run the EDL. Oh, really?

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Give me a hug, then. Here one of the women in the house -

:49:17.:49:18.

Mehreen Baig explains why she feels her voice as a liberal

:49:19.:49:29.

Muslim woman isn't heard enough. Growing up, I wasn't the most

:49:30.:49:45.

attractive child. I had a very, very big monobrow and a moustache and

:49:46.:49:55.

beard. In Year ten I was allowed to remove my beard and get my eyebrows

:49:56.:50:00.

done and I actually looked pretty. A lot of Muslim people have a warped

:50:01.:50:04.

view. They think I'm the Muslim girl gone bad. That my religion is a

:50:05.:50:10.

very, very, important part to me. I pray every single day. I'm your

:50:11.:50:15.

average, normal British Muslim person. In the majority, but our

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voice is the least heard. Let's talk to Kieran Smith

:50:22.:50:28.

who is Factual Director They developed the series

:50:29.:50:32.

and have also produced other programmes Benefits Street

:50:33.:50:38.

and Make Bradford British and Bake In Salford is Mobeen Azhar

:50:39.:50:41.

who is the Series Producer who was responsible for amongst

:50:42.:50:44.

other things, casting And also in Salford is one

:50:45.:50:46.

of the participants of the show, Mehreen Baig who we just heard

:50:47.:50:50.

from in that clip. Also here actress and writer

:50:51.:50:52.

Ambreen Razia, who is worried about some aspects of the series

:50:53.:50:55.

and journalist Shaheen Sattar who fears it will compound negative

:50:56.:50:57.

stereotypes of Muslims. Welcome all of you.

:50:58.:51:13.

There is criticism of one particular housemate, Abdul, a former member of

:51:14.:51:18.

the inner circle of the hate preacher Anjem Choudary. He

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expressed support for Islamic State and the criticism is you shouldn't

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be giving airtime to him It is important to discuss a range of

:51:33.:51:36.

views and to have representation from across the Muslim community. He

:51:37.:51:40.

is one of ten contributors and his views are robustly challenged. There

:51:41.:51:43.

is a lot of value because quite often I'm part of the Muslim

:51:44.:51:47.

community and quite often I hear this argument that Muslims need to

:51:48.:51:53.

do more to dissect and to disagree with and to distance themselves from

:51:54.:51:57.

particular views. Over the course of two hours, we see that happening for

:51:58.:52:01.

real and I for one think that's really valuable.

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I wonder if you would like to talk to Kieran who is next to you. I have

:52:08.:52:18.

only seen the first one. I would just say that I think just giving

:52:19.:52:25.

someone that kind of platform is, for me, it is quite scary, I think.

:52:26.:52:29.

I think because you know, having been, you know, a writer and actress

:52:30.:52:34.

and writing shows which essentially are trying to break stereotypes of

:52:35.:52:40.

Muslim people, for me I just feel like it reinforces that again. And I

:52:41.:52:44.

just think that this sort of, the views that he has, are so extreme

:52:45.:52:51.

and we already have those labels as Muslim people, extremists,

:52:52.:52:54.

terrorists and I don't know whether this is doing anything to counteract

:52:55.:53:00.

that. Could I ask what you mean when you said, "That kind of platform?"

:53:01.:53:05.

With the BBC he has been given an opportunity to express his views on

:53:06.:53:09.

television. Are you suggesting it would be better to pretend these

:53:10.:53:13.

people don't exist? Because once again, as someone who is very rooted

:53:14.:53:17.

in the Muslim community I would say, these views are out there. They are

:53:18.:53:26.

in our communities and surely we can't pretend those people don't

:53:27.:53:30.

exist? They are out there, but putting the spotlight on t I don't

:53:31.:53:33.

think it necessarily helps. I think we know it's out there. It has been

:53:34.:53:38.

highlighted in many ways. One of the things that we really wanted to do

:53:39.:53:44.

with Muslims Like Us is showing the pluralism within the Muslim

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community and show the diversity and what you'll notice is once you start

:53:49.:53:54.

watching the programme, yes, at the moment all the attention seems to be

:53:55.:53:59.

on Abdul, the other nine contributors in the house very

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quickly start actually confronting him about his opinions and about his

:54:04.:54:13.

views and really what I think is really important, Muslim society is

:54:14.:54:19.

not monolithic. We tend to only show one side of the Muslim community and

:54:20.:54:26.

that tends to be about extremism and fundalmentalism and we show a broad

:54:27.:54:29.

range of opinion within the various Muslim communities.

:54:30.:54:39.

We can't be delusional and say that people, with these extremist

:54:40.:54:42.

opinions don't exist within the community, but I think we need to

:54:43.:54:46.

look at the consequences of the show, we can see the extremists, the

:54:47.:54:51.

fundamentalist has been given considerable mead why attention and

:54:52.:54:56.

maybe to think about whether this exacerbates the situation, whether

:54:57.:55:00.

it exacerbates the stereo time. It is great to report negativity.

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Respond to that. Yes, I think it is a shame in one way that the media

:55:09.:55:13.

has focussed on Abdul... But come oranges you're experienced, you knew

:55:14.:55:19.

that was going to happen. Of course I understood that might happen and

:55:20.:55:23.

what I'm hoping and we're talking about a programme that no one has

:55:24.:55:28.

seen yet, I'm hoping once people see the programme they realise we worked

:55:29.:55:33.

hard to show a range of opinions within the Muslim communities. One

:55:34.:55:37.

of the first scenes that people will see tonight in the house is Abdul

:55:38.:55:45.

handing you a leaflet, a hand-out which talks about his desire that

:55:46.:55:48.

there shouldn't be free mixing in the house. Tell our audience how you

:55:49.:55:54.

handle that? I wouldn't like to ruin it for everyone. OK, sorry. But

:55:55.:56:00.

firstly I'd like to say I think everyone raises a valid point. It is

:56:01.:56:05.

correct that there has been a massive, there has been a lot of

:56:06.:56:10.

media attention on Abdul so far. Are we just promoting the stereotype?

:56:11.:56:15.

That was one of the things I was ap prehencive about before joining the

:56:16.:56:20.

show. I thought are we going to be adding to the negative

:56:21.:56:23.

characterisation of Muslims that already exists in society? However,

:56:24.:56:26.

we have got to remember we are talking about a show that we have

:56:27.:56:30.

not seen yet and it is very important to stress that there are

:56:31.:56:36.

nine other contributors as well as Abdul could WHO do not display

:56:37.:56:41.

extremist values and we mustn't let those people go ignored and I think

:56:42.:56:46.

once you have seen the show today and tomorrow, it will become very

:56:47.:56:52.

evident that having Abdul's opinions and having them challenged

:56:53.:56:56.

adequately challenged is actually a very important thing for everyone to

:56:57.:57:01.

see in order to challenge the stereotype, not promote it. As for

:57:02.:57:06.

him handing me the leaflet, and how I react to that, I think, we can all

:57:07.:57:11.

jump and shout and scream at the person whose views we disa greed

:57:12.:57:18.

with or some of Abdul's views may seem abhorrent and are and I

:57:19.:57:22.

disagreed with them strongly, but you will see in the show that

:57:23.:57:26.

perhaps speaking to people sometimes and trying to understand where

:57:27.:57:29.

they're coming from and then adequately challenging them in a way

:57:30.:57:33.

where they don't feel attacked might actually be the best way it get

:57:34.:57:39.

through to them. I agree. He is on the show. It is great he's there.

:57:40.:57:45.

The nine other contestants will continuously question him, but he

:57:46.:57:49.

does make good entertainment and there is a reason why he is on the

:57:50.:57:52.

show. He has been given considerable media attention, but what the

:57:53.:57:55.

consequences of the show will be is that the British public will choose

:57:56.:58:00.

an ideal Muslim, a moderate mus lum and look up to that ideal and any

:58:01.:58:05.

other Muslim will be all of a sudden, they don't fit that. People

:58:06.:58:10.

who aren't feminist or don't fit the popular person on the show. I'm

:58:11.:58:15.

going to stop you there. Are you regretting selling Bake Off to

:58:16.:58:20.

Channel 4? I thought I was here to talk about

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Muslims Like Us. Thank you very much. Thank you very

:58:31.:58:33.

much. Tonight, that programme is at 9pm on

:58:34.:58:40.

BBC Two.

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