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the cloud might be thick enough for the odd

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One parcel had drugs in it. What was in there? It's not of cannabis. You

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smell it and then what? You tell the managers and they say, you need to

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deliver it. If you see the person you're delivering two, tell them to

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be more careful. Really? The next American president

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Donald Trump has publicly sided with Russia over America's

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intelligence services over claims that Russia interfered

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in the USelection process Today he meets intelligence chiefs

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to hear their evidence. More people than ever with mental

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health problems are being kept in hospitals for longer

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than necessary because of problems finding care

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for them when they leave. We talk to a man who says he felt

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like he'd been kidnapped after being kept on a secure

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ward for months. Welcome to the programme, we're live

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until 11:00am this morning. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - we are talking about lots

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of different things today. We are looking at how people

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who are patients in mental health units are being kept there longer

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than they need because of problems with onward care, get

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in touch about that, use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE,

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and if you text, you will be charged Our top story today,

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Donald Trump's doubts over the judgement of America's

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intelligence chiefs has been attacked as "absolutely mindless"

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by the outgoing US vice president The President-elect, is due to meet

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intelligence chiefs today, to discuss their claims that Russia

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tried to interfere in the American Mr Trump's been facing renewed

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criticism from senior Republicans and Democrats about his scepticism,

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and less than 24-hours before the meeting, one of his top

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intelligence advisers quit his team. The three Wise men of US

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intelligence. Together in their belief that Russian hacking

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interfered with the presidential election, intending to help Donald

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Trump win. The hacking was only one part of it. It also entailed

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classical propaganda, disinformation, fake news. But in

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the last few hours, the President-elect has again questioned

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their judgment. It's the latest in a long list of

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online outbursts. First rubbishing intelligence officials, before

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saying he's a big fan, then challenging them once again. The CIA

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director said he was expecting a feisty meeting. I am hoping that he

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is going to be respectful, respectful of the agency as well as

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the intelligence community. And looking forward to a rather robust

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if not sporty discussion. On this issue. There has been more blunt

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criticism of Mr Trump's approach from his political enemies. Not to

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be prepared to listen to the myriad of intelligence agencies, from

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defence intelligence to the CIA, etc, is absolutely mindless. It's

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just mindless. And from Republicans to. Every American should be alarmed

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by Russia's attacks on our nation. There is no national security and

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trust more vital to the USA than the ability to hold free and fair

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elections without foreign interference. Putin is up to no good

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and had better be stopped. Mr President-elect, when you listen to

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these people, you can be sceptical, but understand they are the best

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among us and they are trying to protect us. At least two of these

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men won't be around for long. They'll be replaced when Donald

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Trump takes office, two weeks today. Dan Johnson, BBC News.

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The failure to predict the financial crisis of 2008 was a "Michael Fish"

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moment for economists, the Bank of England's

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Andy Haldane compared financial forecasts to the famously inaccurate

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reassurances given by the BBC weatherman ahead of the UK's

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Mr Haldane said the profession was "to some degree in crisis"

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following the crash and the Brexit vote.

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Delays in discharging people from hospital are rising more

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rapidly in mental health trusts than other parts of the NHS

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NHS England data found a 56% rise in the number of bed days lost

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to delayed discharge in psychiatric trusts in October 2016

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Ministers say they will be spending 400 million pounds

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over the next 4 years, to ensure mental health

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teams can provide support to people in their homes.

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Oliver Lang helps his father run a small post office in Norfolk. In

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2014 the 27-year-old was detained under the Mental Health Act. He

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spent several weeks in a psychiatric unit, but even when he was well

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enough to leave, he couldn't. Delays in arranging support in the

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community meant he spent a further two months unnecessarily in

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hospital. I felt like I was in danger in there, because a lot

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happens in hospital. Then, I felt like if someone attacks me I'd have

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to defend myself. But if I did defend myself and hurt someone,

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there'd say he is a danger, so that keep me locked up for longer. I was

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trying to be whiter than white. Latest figures show...

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The analysis was carried out this former care minister who says

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figures show mental health patients are being discriminated against. It

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means there's a shortage of community psychiatric nurses, as

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shortage of support services like detox facilities, and a shortage in

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social care which I think has hit people with mental illness is

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disproportionately hard. Ministers say they are spending ?400 million

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over the next four years to ensure mental health teams provide more

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support to people in their homes. Michael Buchanan, News.

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The pressure of patient numbers last month prompted a third of hospital

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trusts in England to issue warnings that they needed to take

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urgent action to cope, according to analysis seen

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In the most serious cases, the Trusts declared

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that they were unable to give patients comprehensive care.

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The data comes from the health-care think tank, the Nuffield Trust.

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A man will appear in court today in connection with a police

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operation on the M62 near Huddersfield,

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28-year-old Yassar Yaqub died after firearms

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officers stopped a car he was in on a motorway slip road.

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Moshin Amin, who is 30 and from Dewsbury, has been charged

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Stalkers will face longer jail terms under a drive

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The maximum sentence in England and Wales will rise

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The Ministry of Justice says the plans will help ensure

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the punishment reflects the damaging impact stalking has on victims.

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A lack of funding to improve forensic science is jeopardising

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the integrity of the criminal justice system in England and Wales,

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The Forensic Science Regulator says it's also concerned

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about the processing of DNA samples taken from suspects

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The National Police Chiefs Council says it has secured extra funding

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to respond to the challenges faced by the service.

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President Barack Obama has described the torture of a mentally

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disabled man in Chicago, streamed on Facebook Live,

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The four suspects are seen assaulting a man with

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special needs while making anti-white racial taunts.

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Three teenagers and a woman are due in court today accused of aggravated

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The train drivers' union Aslef says it will go ahead with three

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days of strike action on the Southern Rail

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That's despite a report by the Independent Rail Regulator

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claiming that trains with driver-operated doors,

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A busy commuter line brought to a standstill in December, when

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Southern Rail's drivers and conductors went on strike.

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Passengers on the railway between London, Surrey, East Sussex and West

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Sussex endured more than two dozen strikes last year. They are in for

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more. The drivers union Aslef insists it will go ahead with 324

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hour strikes next week... The dispute is about this. Southern

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wants its drivers to take over closing the train doors, it's a job

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currently done by the on-board guard. The union says its less safe

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and threatens jobs in the long run. After a further review the office of

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rail and road has confirmed it regards the plans as safe. In light

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of that report, Transport Secretary Chris Grayling says the strike

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should be called off. He also wants nationwide safety guidelines on the

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way trains are dispatched. Aslef disputes the report, and says its

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members will walk out next week. If that goes ahead, Southern Rail says

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no trains will run on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. Members of

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Aslef and the RMT are also planning three further strikes later in the

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month. Ben Bland, BBC News. Scientists have told the BBC

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that a giant iceberg, a quarter the size of Wales is ready

:10:35.:10:36.

to break off from the Larsen C ice When it does, the iceberg is likely

:10:37.:10:40.

to be one of the ten Researchers say that this

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is a geographical and The Indian actor Om Puri,

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who starred in the British comedy East is East,

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has died of a suspected He also appeared in other films,

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including Gandhi, and more recently he played opposite Dame Helen Mirren

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in The Hundred Foot Journey. Some knees just coming in. British

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Airways says passengers will be able to fly to their destinations during

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a 48 hour strike by cabin crew next Tuesday. Although a small number of

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flights will be merged. Staff are striking over pay and conditions.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9:30am.

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Let's get some sport now with Hugh, and it's a big

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Yes, in fact it's one of the biggest weekends of the football calendar,

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it's FA Cup third round weekend with five non-league teams among

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those dreaming of a shock to one of football's best sides

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as Premier League and Championship teams enter the competition.

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The first tie of the round is a good one too, it's live on BBC One

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and Radio 5live this evening - it sees a somewhat under

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pressure Pep Guardiola, take his Manchester City side

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to the London Stadium to face West Ham United.

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Guardiola is exceited for his first taste of the competition.

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What I hear before, the Cup is special because the lower teams

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But of course it is tough, it will be luck of the draw.

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A big game for us and a big game for them, the FA Cup.

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It is for the fans of course and I am sure they will put a very

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strong team tomorrow, because it's a big chance

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Some high-profile footballers are heading to China.

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The Chinese Super League has picked up another Chelsea player.

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Nigeria's Jon Obi Mikel follows former teammate Oscar to China,

:13:15.:13:16.

In an emotional letter to his "Chelsea family" on social media,

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the midfielder thanksed fans for making the "impossible,

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He joins a long list of players who have made the move including Carlos

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Tevez. And another victory for Andy Murray. Sir Andy Murray is starting

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2017 in much the same way he ended 2016, with victory after victory. He

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is now into the semifinals at the Qatar open with a win over Nicolas

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Duisburg. His second match in a row there was a tie-break in the opening

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set and again Murray won it. He took the second is than- five and faces

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third seed Tomas Berdych next. Bad news is Johanna Konta. She missed

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out on a place in the Shenzhen open final after a shock defeat to world

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number 52 Katerina Siniakova. There's going to be a "major

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inquiry" into how the police That's according to Yvette Cooper,

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who chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee, which looks at how

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the governments doing when it She's been speaking to the BBC

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after a Newsbeat investigation revealed claims that an increasing

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amount of illegal drugs are being Think drug dealer, and you probably

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think of a shady character. But as more and more

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people buy drugs online... Drugs that people are most likely

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to buy on the Dark Net Your postman is unkowingly

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becoming a vital link For most people, browsing

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the Internet, they will never leave what is called the surface

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where but there is a more murky part of the Internet just a few

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clicks of the mouse away. Under the surface there are millions

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of files full of financial data, photos and other material

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that is not publicly accessible. Keep going, and you

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arrive in the Dark Web. For a growing number of drug users,

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it is the easiest and most reliable I bought marijuana, ecstasy,

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2C-B, 2C-1, benzos. A couple of others, AM-22,

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psychedelic stimulants... A recent local drug survey found

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that in the last year, one in five people who took part had

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used drugs bought online. We were waiting for a package

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of an ounce of MDMA to be delivered. We see the postman driving down

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and get very excited, and then she gives me the package,

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and I signed for it. Very happy, and yes,

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then we open up the package Me and my friend at the time found

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it incredibly funny, she gave us the post and just

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had no idea. She handed it over and said

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thank you very much, and I looked at her and said no,

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thank you very much. Completely unaware of

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what had just happened. So, just how easy is it to get hold

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of drugs in this way? If you do an investigation

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on the Dark Web, you have So, I've come to meet Chris,

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who was introduced to me as the person you want to meet

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if you want to know what is going on on this murky

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part of the Internet. Before meeting Chris,

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I bought some Bitcoin, If you go up to this section

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here, which says drugs. Click on it, and it looks

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like eBay for drugs. It's a crass analogy, but that is

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what we've got, isn't it? You would need to have a certain

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amount of understanding to be able to operate on here and buy drugs

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on here, and generally It is, I compare it to a lot

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of people downloading stuff, but their friends teach them how

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to do it, and then You think of the Dark Web,

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and kids think, this will be a crazy That is not what you expect

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to see with a drug dealer? Offline, certainly not,

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but online it has become the norm. What is the likelihood of me getting

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some, if I order three things today? I would say 98% that

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you would get all three. Do you think that is the reason

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why this is a growing Absolutely, it gives

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you the experience at Amazon and eBay, applying it to drugs

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and making it safe. To test the system, I ordered hash,

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ecstasy, and synthetic cannabis. We are back in the office and it has

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literally taken us a couple of hours to get back,

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log back in, and we already One thing with the Dark Web

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is that it is quite slow, it takes a long time to load

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through, so yes, here we have We have two of the three en route

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already, that is about 60, It looks straightforward and normal,

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it's easy to forget As the Dark Web becomes

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a popular place to buy drugs, inevitably more and more illegal

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substances are being But, is this something your average

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postman is even aware of? I just wonder if you

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have seen anything? I have spent a couple of hours

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walking around this area, trying to get postal workers to stop

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and chat with us... I wonder if you've ever seen

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anything that you posted...? Many did, but did not want to go

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on camera as they were worried about losing their jobs potentially

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if they speak out. But, we do have comments that they

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gave us which I've noted down here. They are quite happy for me to read

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them out but not going on camera. One guy has been working

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there for 26 years and never seen Another guy, 14 years a postman,

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a similar time and he has Parcels get scanned,

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yes, I admit that. But how am I to know

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what is in a parcel? Another guy says yes,

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we definitely suspect the post and it is that weird issue again

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of where we can smell the weed but when it is in my mailbag,

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we just have to deliver it. We saw a similar response

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when we asked the question One said they had handled

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a couple of this year Another said that a parcel

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was beginning to stink up the office, so it was taken

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to the police station. One said that every now and then

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we get a special delivery for one of the businesses,

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which is full of weed and it Eventually, we did manage

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to find one postman who would talk to us,

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but only if he could He has come across

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drugs in his mailbag. What was in there,

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as far as you know? You tell the managers,

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and all they say is... If you see the person

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it is being delivered to, The Royal Mail told us that it does

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not knowingly carry any illegal items on its network,

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and says it works closely with police and other

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authorities to prevent A few days on, since we put our

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orders in on the Dark Web, and it is time to see

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if they have turned up. We got them delivered to a PO box,

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and asked Jimmy from the office to give us a lift down

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to pick them up. This is the post office collection

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point, where Jim has had The reason I have headphones

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on whilst I am at the wheel is that we are listening while he's

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in the queue. I've just had a couple

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of text messages from Jim, saying it is taking ages,

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slightly paranoid that The woman looked at a pile,

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then went off and she has We had three orders we put in,

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and I am assuming that all three One ecstasy tablet, which is a blue

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pill and there will be a small amount of hash,

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cannabis, and there Really, if that came through your

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mail if you were a postman, Yes, there is definitely stuff

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in there, but it has clearly It is hard with bubble

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wrap all around it. But actually, really,

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it could be anything in there. It's just an anonymous

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looking package. We got three packages but we don't

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know what is in them. Thank you for the lift,

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see you in a bit... We will take them to a government

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approved testing lab. In here, we've got three samples

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that we've bought online. We should open them all up

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and see if we've got Among the sweets, there

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is something wrapped up. That looks like the ecstasy

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tablet that we ordered. The same brand and everything

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that we thought it was. Which looks very much

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like it was in the picture This, we believe, is a blue ecstasy

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tablet but the only way to know What we will do is I will hand this

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over, and we will do some measurements and then we will take

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it into the laboratory A small bit of the pill is crushed,

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dissolved and run through a machine. What you are looking for is that

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you know where these spikes normally are on the graph and you can compare

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that with your database, Yes, I have the retention

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time and it then says that your tablet contains MDMA,

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ecstasy, which is... The hash has come in a foil wrap,

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disguised as tea, and the spice is lose in an envelope,

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inside the Jiffy bag. These envelopes will be going

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through the post in the millions. Not necessarily with this

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kind of stuff in it, quite legitimate post,

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but if you get this closely, you can instantly see

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that it has been tampered with and there was

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something else in it. In theory, it will avoid

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smell, to a degree. These got through because there

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are millions of these which get through, as I said,

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and if the post office opened every package which came through,

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we would get our post two or three months after somebody posted it

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to us, so they cannot. But it is interesting,

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because to me, you may as well have made no effort to do what these

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people have done, because if someone was opening these looking

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for contraband, they would have The three packages all arrived

:24:39.:24:40.

as described, but how Dr Adam Winstock runs a global drug

:24:41.:24:47.

survey where users go The drugs people are most likely

:24:48.:24:58.

to buy on the Dark Net, cannabis, MDMA, LSD,

:24:59.:25:02.

cocaine, and novel drugs. In terms of the number of people

:25:03.:25:04.

buying, we have seen a year-on-year From about 12% of people

:25:05.:25:07.

who reported either having bought drugs on the Dark Net themselves,

:25:08.:25:13.

or having drugs bought for them. So, almost 18% last year

:25:14.:25:16.

and the current global drug survey I expect will show

:25:17.:25:19.

a further increase. We are seeing the trend

:25:20.:25:23.

pretty much globally. On Amazon, you get the idea

:25:24.:25:25.

of people having... Does that happen a lot

:25:26.:25:28.

on the Dark Web? Absolutely, about a third of people

:25:29.:25:37.

so that they broaden It's like, we notice that

:25:38.:25:40.

you like LSD and magic mushrooms... Perhaps you would be

:25:41.:25:43.

interested in 2-CB? There is absolutely that

:25:44.:25:45.

effect, but also people who are on the Dark Net are quite

:25:46.:25:47.

open to looking around What does the global drug survey

:25:48.:25:50.

tell us about habits Interests on the Dark Web often

:25:51.:25:54.

reflect the interests of drug In New Zealand, where

:25:55.:26:02.

it is difficult to get illicit drugs into the country

:26:03.:26:06.

because of their fantastic biological walls, sniffer dogs

:26:07.:26:09.

and searching and everything else, very few people use the Dark Net,

:26:10.:26:12.

I think because of higher operations between the police and Postal

:26:13.:26:15.

Service. So, there are anomalies

:26:16.:26:17.

but generally both people reckon that it is safer buying drugs online

:26:18.:26:20.

and that is where Back in the Newsbeat office, we have

:26:21.:26:23.

arranged a chat with Jamie Bamford. He is in charge of investigations

:26:24.:26:29.

and intelligence for Everybody keeps telling us that

:26:30.:26:31.

New Zealand is leading the way in keeping drugs off the street,

:26:32.:26:35.

what is your secret? That is nice to hear,

:26:36.:26:38.

but the way we have approached this problem is that we have taken

:26:39.:26:43.

an intelligence led approach to it. So, we take a keen

:26:44.:26:47.

interest in the Dark Net. You think that more

:26:48.:26:52.

than ever, New Zealanders We have had an increase in smaller

:26:53.:26:54.

seizures in our post office centres, they have tripled over

:26:55.:27:01.

a two-year period. We cannot put that down entirely

:27:02.:27:03.

to the Dark Net, but we think Is it the usual stuff that

:27:04.:27:06.

you are doing over there? Things like scanners,

:27:07.:27:13.

and sniffer dogs? Yes, they are hugely effective

:27:14.:27:15.

in the mail centre setting. They lead to a lot of success

:27:16.:27:20.

but actually, a lot of intelligence The fact that there has been a big

:27:21.:27:23.

push by New Zealand to join up all of the agencies and collaborate

:27:24.:27:30.

together, in order to get that success, these

:27:31.:27:32.

are a key tool for us. This part of London used to be

:27:33.:27:37.

home to a lot of shops where you could buy legal highs

:27:38.:27:40.

or use psychoactive substances. The government says that

:27:41.:27:42.

their new law to tackle this has meant that these shops

:27:43.:27:45.

have closed down. But we managed to get these

:27:46.:27:48.

drugs from the Dark Web, We asked the government to speak

:27:49.:27:51.

to us, but they declined. They say that they are spending

:27:52.:27:57.

?1.9 billion over the next five You can see that fall Newsbeat

:27:58.:28:17.

documentary. Addicts will always find ways of getting drugs. They

:28:18.:28:21.

will go for the easiest and cheapest way. Anonymous text message says a

:28:22.:28:26.

worldwide failed war on drugs is to blame, hence why drug dealers

:28:27.:28:30.

operate on the street. The only logical solution for them not to be

:28:31.:28:35.

caught is to go online. We will be talking about that later.

:28:36.:28:38.

After a third of hospital trusts said they had to take urgent action

:28:39.:28:42.

to cope with patient numbers last month.

:28:43.:28:44.

We'll have the latest NHS figures covering the festive period.

:28:45.:28:46.

And you may remember this iconic moment when weather forecaster

:28:47.:28:53.

Michael Fish failed to predict the great storm of 1987.

:28:54.:28:55.

Earlier on today, apparently a woman rang the

:28:56.:28:58.

BBC saying that she had heard that there was

:28:59.:29:00.

Well, if you are watching, don't worry.

:29:01.:29:03.

Well, a leading Bank of England economist has admitted the bank had

:29:04.:29:10.

what he calls "a Michael Fish moment" over its gloomy predictions

:29:11.:29:13.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:29:14.:29:25.

Donald Trump's doubts over the judgement of America's

:29:26.:29:27.

intelligence chiefs has been attacked as "absolutely mindless"

:29:28.:29:29.

by the outgoing US vice president Joe Biden.

:29:30.:29:32.

The President-elect, is due to meet intelligence chiefs today,

:29:33.:29:35.

to discuss their claims that Russia tried to interfere in the American

:29:36.:29:38.

Mr Trump's been facing renewed criticism from senior Republicans

:29:39.:29:48.

and Democrats about his scepticism, and less than 24 hours before

:29:49.:29:52.

the meeting, one of his top intelligence advisers quit his team.

:29:53.:29:57.

The failure to predict the financial crisis of 2008 was a "Michael Fish"

:29:58.:30:00.

moment for economists, the Bank of England's

:30:01.:30:02.

Andy Haldane compared financial forecasts to the famously inaccurate

:30:03.:30:08.

reassurances given by the BBC weatherman ahead of the UK's

:30:09.:30:11.

Mr Haldane said the profession was "to some degree in crisis"

:30:12.:30:16.

following the crash and the Brexit vote.

:30:17.:30:22.

Delays in discharging people from hospital are rising more

:30:23.:30:24.

rapidly in mental health trusts than other parts of the NHS

:30:25.:30:27.

NHS England data found a 56% rise in the number of bed days lost

:30:28.:30:33.

to delayed discharge in psychiatric trusts in October 2016

:30:34.:30:35.

Ministers said they will be spending ?400 million to ensure mental health

:30:36.:30:46.

teams can provide support to people in their homes.

:30:47.:30:51.

A man will appear in court today in connection with a police

:30:52.:30:54.

operation on the M62 near Huddersfield,

:30:55.:30:55.

28-year-old Yassar Yaqub died after firearms

:30:56.:31:02.

officers stopped a car he was in on a motorway slip road.

:31:03.:31:05.

Moshin Amin, who is 30 and from Dewsbury, has been charged

:31:06.:31:08.

British Airways says customers will be able to fly to their destinations

:31:09.:31:23.

during a 48-hour strike by cabin crew next Tuesday although a small

:31:24.:31:28.

number of flights will be merged. Members of Unite have rejected the

:31:29.:31:32.

latest pay offer and will walk out for 48 hours from Tuesday. The

:31:33.:31:42.

Indian actor Om Puri has died of a suspected heart attack. Om Puri also

:31:43.:31:46.

appeared in Gandhi and recently played opposite Dame Helen Mirren.

:31:47.:31:51.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.00am.

:31:52.:31:56.

We have some breaking news about Russia's role in Syria. According to

:31:57.:32:04.

the APA news agency in Moscow, Russia says it is withdrawing its

:32:05.:32:09.

aircraft carrier and other warships from the waters of Syria as the

:32:10.:32:13.

first step in drawing down forces in Syria. The Russian General staff

:32:14.:32:20.

chief has said the carrier and accompanying ships will be the first

:32:21.:32:26.

to leave. He was quoted as saying that in accordance with President

:32:27.:32:33.

Vladimir Putin the Defence Ministry is starting to downsize Armed Forces

:32:34.:32:37.

in Syria. Those reports coming through. We will keep you updated.

:32:38.:32:40.

A big weekend of FA Cup ties coming up -

:32:41.:32:44.

32 matches in all in the third round.

:32:45.:32:45.

The action starts tonight when Pep Guardiola's Manchester City

:32:46.:32:48.

For City manager Pep Guardiola, it's a new experience,

:32:49.:32:51.

he's never been involved in the Cup before and he's looking forward

:32:52.:32:54.

to what he describes as a special match tonight.

:32:55.:33:00.

Another Premier League player is moving to the Chinese Super League -

:33:01.:33:03.

Chelsea's John Obi Mikel is joining He'll join Tianjin Teda.

:33:04.:33:06.

Mikel joins other high profile names in making the move -

:33:07.:33:08.

including former Chelsea team-mate Oscar.

:33:09.:33:13.

Sir Andy Murray is through to the last four of the Qatar Open.

:33:14.:33:16.

The World Number One beat Spain's Nicolas Almagro in straight

:33:17.:33:19.

sets to set up a semifinal with third seed Tomas Berdych.

:33:20.:33:23.

Top seed Johanna Konta missed out on a place in the final

:33:24.:33:26.

The British Number One was shocked by Czech world number 52

:33:27.:33:33.

New research shows that more and more people are being kept

:33:34.:33:46.

in mental health wards long after they are well

:33:47.:33:48.

Delays in discharging people are increasing more rapidly

:33:49.:33:51.

in mental health trusts than in other parts of the NHS

:33:52.:33:54.

in England, according to analysis by the Liberal Democrats

:33:55.:33:56.

A delayed discharge occurs when a patient is declared medically

:33:57.:34:01.

well enough to leave hospital but something else

:34:02.:34:03.

Well last year it was estimated that delayed discharges cost the NHS

:34:04.:34:10.

Now today's figures show for the year ending last October,

:34:11.:34:16.

the number of people kept in hospital longer than they needed

:34:17.:34:19.

to rose by up to 30% in acute trusts in England,

:34:20.:34:22.

that's in normal hospitals. But in mental health and learning

:34:23.:34:29.

disability units the increase Look at the figures for one

:34:30.:34:31.

month alone, last July. Where nearly 4% of all mental health

:34:32.:34:35.

bed spaces were occupied by people who were medically well enough

:34:36.:34:38.

to be sent home. Of more than 640,000 bed places that

:34:39.:34:42.

were occupied in that month, almost 25,000 were taken up

:34:43.:34:45.

because of delayed discharges. We can speak now to

:34:46.:34:50.

Dr Jonathan Bindman, medical director of Barnet,

:34:51.:34:52.

Enfield and Haringey Mental Health NHS Trust, and Sophie Corlett

:34:53.:34:55.

from the mental health charity MIND, and in Norwich is Oliver Lang

:34:56.:35:00.

who was kept in a secure ward for four months after he should

:35:01.:35:04.

have been released. Oliver, tell us what happened.

:35:05.:35:21.

Basically I was sectioned to a medium security unit. Two or three

:35:22.:35:25.

months later I had a tribunal where the doctor and judge and panel

:35:26.:35:29.

agreed I should be discharged. They gave me a maximum of two months to

:35:30.:35:35.

ditched charge me. They had a care home setup and everything was ready

:35:36.:35:40.

-- to discharge me. Two trusts were arguing over who would fund my care

:35:41.:35:44.

and as a result I was kept in hospital longer. It took four months

:35:45.:35:48.

longer than it should have done in the end. After the original decision

:35:49.:35:54.

it was six months in total? Yeah. Knowing you had been cleared for

:35:55.:35:57.

release and you couldn't get out, how did you feel? It was quite

:35:58.:36:02.

scary. It makes you think, it puts things in perspective. You think,

:36:03.:36:06.

there are these people with so much power and nobody bats an eyelid when

:36:07.:36:10.

they keep you locked up. It must have been very frustrating. It was.

:36:11.:36:15.

It's quite a dangerous place to be. I didn't feel safe there. It wasn't

:36:16.:36:20.

very nice. What sort of conversations where you having with

:36:21.:36:25.

people? When I was allowed to use the phone at designated times, I

:36:26.:36:29.

kept ringing round my social worker, my solicitor, my dad was running

:36:30.:36:34.

around heads of funding panels as well. They were sending us round in

:36:35.:36:37.

circles. Everyone was saying, why are you worried, I said, I'm the one

:36:38.:36:43.

locked up, I need to keep my nose clean every day, it's hard. It all

:36:44.:36:49.

boiled down to a row over who would fund what would happen after you

:36:50.:36:56.

left? Yeah. Sophie, you work with Mind. How often is this happening?

:36:57.:37:03.

Is happening quite a lot. Oliver's story is shocking. You've just said

:37:04.:37:06.

the financial cost but the personal cost to somebody. In Oliver's case,

:37:07.:37:14.

he wasn't just on a board, he was on a locked ward. You wouldn't keep

:37:15.:37:17.

somebody in prison for six months beyond what they needed to be. Even

:37:18.:37:21.

if that only happened once in the whole country, it would be a really

:37:22.:37:26.

shocking thing. But it is happening a lot. Not just one locked wards but

:37:27.:37:32.

all sorts of wards. It stops people's recovery and has a real

:37:33.:37:36.

impact on their lives. Is it better people are kept in longer than they

:37:37.:37:40.

should be rather than released without somewhere that is

:37:41.:37:45.

appropriate for them? People need to have somewhere appropriate to go,

:37:46.:37:49.

that is the issue. There aren't the community services available. We

:37:50.:37:54.

know that one of the most dangerous and fragile times for people is when

:37:55.:37:59.

they first come out of hospital. That first seven days, two weeks,

:38:00.:38:03.

where they need to be really well supported. It's a very high suicide

:38:04.:38:09.

risk for people in the early release time. It's definitely important that

:38:10.:38:14.

you don't just send people out to nothing. People may have been in

:38:15.:38:18.

hospital for quite a long time, they may have lost their accommodation

:38:19.:38:21.

and have literally nowhere to go. Housing can often have to be

:38:22.:38:25.

arranged. It's very important but is set up. How much of an issue is it

:38:26.:38:32.

in the area where you are in Barnet, Enfield and Haringey mental health

:38:33.:38:36.

trust? It is absolutely an issue and the overall figure quoted was 3.8%

:38:37.:38:41.

of birds are filled at any one time by people who could leave hospital.

:38:42.:38:47.

In London it's more typically 6%. 6% of all of our beds at any one time

:38:48.:38:52.

are filled with people who could go tomorrow if suitable places were

:38:53.:38:55.

available. Obviously what it means is that new people cannot come into

:38:56.:38:59.

the system. Yes, absolutely. It's really important to see the figure

:39:00.:39:04.

is just one symptom of a whole system that is under enormous strain

:39:05.:39:11.

at the front end, at the point of admission as well as the point of

:39:12.:39:15.

discharge. And also all the other parts of the system, including the

:39:16.:39:19.

places people live, supported accommodation. It boils down to

:39:20.:39:26.

financial issues and they aren't enough spaces elsewhere for people

:39:27.:39:31.

to go to. How would you define that? It's not just a matter of the

:39:32.:39:35.

finances overall, it's a question of where the money is and where the

:39:36.:39:43.

resources are. I feel that we can take great pride in the mental

:39:44.:39:46.

health system but over the last 30 years we have successfully managed

:39:47.:39:52.

to greatly reduce the number of beds. I'm not suggesting we need to

:39:53.:39:57.

start increasing the number, it's all about the alternatives that are

:39:58.:40:01.

available. I think we need much more resource in the community, in

:40:02.:40:05.

supported accommodation of all types, but also things that support

:40:06.:40:10.

people to do meaningful activities. Things with their time. A whole

:40:11.:40:17.

range of social care support. Talking about the money, the delayed

:40:18.:40:22.

discharge is estimated to cost the NHS ?820 million a year which is

:40:23.:40:28.

obviously money that could be spent effectively elsewhere. Why doesn't

:40:29.:40:35.

that happen? Well, that is obviously an enormously complicated question.

:40:36.:40:39.

I think from our perspective, the thing that would be most helpful

:40:40.:40:45.

would be better joining up between decommissioning of the health

:40:46.:40:49.

services and the commissioning of the social services. I think that's

:40:50.:40:52.

something that is recognised throughout the system, that

:40:53.:40:55.

reductions in social care funding are having an enormous impact on the

:40:56.:41:00.

NHS. That social care funding has gone down more sharply than NHS

:41:01.:41:06.

funding, and being unable to get people out of beds into suitable

:41:07.:41:08.

places in the community is one of the ways in which social care

:41:09.:41:15.

funding pressures impact on the NHS. Oliver, we are talking about the

:41:16.:41:18.

fact that when people can't get out which was the situation you were in,

:41:19.:41:22.

it impacts on people trying to get the help they need. Have you

:41:23.:41:25.

struggle to get the help at the other end? The care home I've gone

:41:26.:41:31.

too is quite a good one, I can't really fault it. With me, they

:41:32.:41:35.

talked about places not being available. With me it came down to

:41:36.:41:39.

funding because I had a care home available. I agree with what the

:41:40.:41:46.

gentleman said that they need to put more money into things in the

:41:47.:41:48.

community. I agree with that, that would be nice, to have, there are

:41:49.:41:55.

plenty of places. There seem to be waiting lists for some of them, it's

:41:56.:41:58.

not as easy to get involved in things as you would think. Sophie,

:41:59.:42:02.

the same things are coming up again and again when we talk about mental

:42:03.:42:06.

health services and the issue of resources. Is it something that is

:42:07.:42:12.

properly being looked at? Do you expect there will be change? I do

:42:13.:42:15.

expect there to be change. Partly because I think people now have

:42:16.:42:21.

woken up to the fact there needs to be change. What I think we are

:42:22.:42:25.

seeing is a massive delay in that happening on the ground. Nationally

:42:26.:42:29.

we've agreed there's something called parity of esteem, which means

:42:30.:42:34.

mental health and physical health services should be treated equally.

:42:35.:42:38.

There has been recognition of that in the funding being put aside. But

:42:39.:42:44.

to make that happen, actually in a local area and make a difference to

:42:45.:42:47.

somebody, there is 1000 different decisions that need to be made by

:42:48.:42:51.

people at every level. Right down to the people who make decisions

:42:52.:42:57.

between are we spending on a bed to somebody in a secure unit very

:42:58.:43:00.

expensively, or on an addiction service or a supported housing

:43:01.:43:06.

service, actually much less expensively. Who makes those

:43:07.:43:11.

decisions down the line? It's that which we still haven't seen change

:43:12.:43:14.

and which really needs to change if we are going to make a difference

:43:15.:43:18.

for the many hundreds of people like Oliver who get stuck in the system.

:43:19.:43:24.

I just want to read out a text from someone who said "Mental health

:43:25.:43:29.

community support is minimal. How is a 24-year-old CBT Council are meant

:43:30.:43:32.

to help a 50-year-old previously well respected man now crippled with

:43:33.:43:34.

long-term depression? " please let us know your thoughts on

:43:35.:43:43.

that. Coming up, Donald Trump is told

:43:44.:43:47.

to "grow up" by the outgoing US vice-president ahead of a meeting

:43:48.:43:50.

with intelligence chiefs to discuss claims that

:43:51.:43:52.

Russia tried to interfere in the American

:43:53.:43:54.

presidential election. The Bank of England's chief

:43:55.:43:56.

economist has said the failure to predict the financial crisis

:43:57.:43:58.

was a "Michael Fish" Andy Haldane compared financial

:43:59.:44:01.

forecasts to the famously inaccurate forecast by the BBC weatherman,

:44:02.:44:06.

ahead of the UK's He said the profession

:44:07.:44:09.

was "to some degree in crisis" following the 2008-9 crash

:44:10.:44:17.

and the Brexit vote. Well let's remind ourselves of that

:44:18.:44:21.

iconic moment in 1987 when Michael Fish failed to predict

:44:22.:44:23.

the great storm. Earlier on today, apparently a woman

:44:24.:44:29.

rang the BBC saying that she had heard that there was a hurricane

:44:30.:44:34.

on the way. Well, if you are watching -

:44:35.:44:36.

don't worry. But having said that actually,

:44:37.:44:38.

the weather will become very windy, but most of the strong winds

:44:39.:44:41.

incidentally will be down over Spain, and across

:44:42.:44:44.

into France as well. There's a vicious looking area

:44:45.:44:46.

of low pressure on our doorstep, nevertheless around the Brittany

:44:47.:44:48.

area, which will head across Bringing, if nothing else,

:44:49.:44:51.

a lot of rain with it. Oh dear, who can forget that? Let's

:44:52.:45:07.

take a look at some of the panicked headlines economic forecasts can

:45:08.:45:12.

prompt. To find out more about why these predictions are so hard to get

:45:13.:45:20.

right I'm joined by Kamal Ahmed. The two most significant moments

:45:21.:45:23.

economically in recent years are being described as "Michael Fish"

:45:24.:45:27.

moments. There, be laughed off, can they go?

:45:28.:45:31.

What happened cause devastation across the south-east of England.

:45:32.:45:42.

The chief economist of the Bank of England was honest about what

:45:43.:45:45.

economic forecasts are trying to do. They are trying to make a judgment

:45:46.:45:49.

on human behaviour. They try to make those judgments when the data does

:45:50.:45:55.

not exist. I think he was talking about, when he talked about the

:45:56.:45:58.

Michael Fish moment, you must talking about the financial crisis

:45:59.:46:05.

and the forecast made then didn't understand the depth of the action

:46:06.:46:09.

of the world economy to the collapse of a Liman 's bank and other banks

:46:10.:46:15.

in 2008, The Royal Bank of Scotland of course, being another. They

:46:16.:46:21.

undercut the effect. When it comes to Brexit, although the Bank of

:46:22.:46:23.

England was correct on some things, like the fall in value of sterling

:46:24.:46:30.

work, which did happen after the Brexit vote, it did overcome the

:46:31.:46:34.

reaction. There is a assumption in the forecast that consumers would

:46:35.:46:40.

become nervous and stop spending. Consumers are a huge and important

:46:41.:46:45.

part of growth in the UK, but consumers have stayed pretty

:46:46.:46:48.

confident. It might surprise the media, Brexit isn't the most

:46:49.:46:52.

important thing when it comes to people buying and selling things in

:46:53.:46:57.

the economy. We have low interest rates, incomes are rising slowly,

:46:58.:47:02.

high levels of employment. Consumers are feeling good at the moment.

:47:03.:47:08.

Brexit hasn't happened and Andy Haldane made the point that nothing

:47:09.:47:12.

has changed. Until Britain leads the European Union at the two-year

:47:13.:47:20.

Article 50 process, the fact is, at the moment consumers are feeling

:47:21.:47:24.

good. Do we just ignore forecasts in the future? No, what Andy Haldane

:47:25.:47:31.

was saying, as meteorology learned from the Michael Fish moment, it

:47:32.:47:36.

studied things in more detail and got better at modelling weather

:47:37.:47:39.

patterns, Andy Haldane said economist had to learn from that,

:47:40.:47:43.

use the data in a more sophisticated way. When you have shock events like

:47:44.:47:49.

the financial crisis and the Brexit vote, forecasting has to change to

:47:50.:47:55.

understand what those events mean. These are events, you don't know

:47:56.:47:57.

what will happen because the fact is, they are unique. And that is the

:47:58.:48:01.

big problem for economic forecasting. We have a duty, I know

:48:02.:48:08.

I tried to do this, before the referendum, to say they are only

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forecasts, these things could happen. What happens in a political

:48:13.:48:17.

environment in a referendum campaign, a lot of politicians said

:48:18.:48:20.

these things will happen. It is a different thing. We are always

:48:21.:48:28.

grasping for certainty? We are, Andy Haldane said these forecasts are

:48:29.:48:31.

useful to try and project where these things will go, but just like

:48:32.:48:34.

weather forecasts, they can be wrong.

:48:35.:48:36.

Coming up, leading Indian actor Om Puri, star of the hit film East

:48:37.:48:39.

We will have tributes to him. But first today...

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Today, President-elect Donald Trump is due to see the evidence,

:48:48.:48:50.

upon which claims have been made that Russia launched cyber

:48:51.:48:52.

attacks on Democrats during November's US Election.

:48:53.:48:54.

It comes after top US intelligence officials gave testimony to

:48:55.:48:57.

the Senate Armed Services Committee, which is investigating

:48:58.:48:58.

The unclassified version will be made public next week,

:48:59.:49:02.

Director of National Intelligence, General James Clapper has already

:49:03.:49:04.

said Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hack

:49:05.:49:06.

of Democratic Party emails, and the motive will be

:49:07.:49:09.

But he's stopped short of calling it "an act of war."

:49:10.:49:16.

Well basically that Russia interfered to help Mr Trump

:49:17.:49:20.

to his surprise election win over Hillary Clinton.

:49:21.:49:22.

Donald Trump's praised Mr Putin in the past,

:49:23.:49:25.

and his choice for Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has a history

:49:26.:49:28.

Here's what the out-going Vice President, Joe Biden,

:49:29.:49:36.

had to say about Mr Trump's lack of faith in the US

:49:37.:49:39.

Not to be prepared to listen to the myriad intelligence agencies from

:49:40.:49:59.

the defence agencies and the CIA, is absolutely mindless. It is just

:50:00.:50:06.

mindless. Can you disagree? Can you ask for more detail? Can you

:50:07.:50:11.

question, whether or not there is a disagreement among the various

:50:12.:50:14.

intelligence agencies, that is all legitimate. But the idea that you no

:50:15.:50:22.

more than the intelligence community knows... It is like saying I know

:50:23.:50:27.

more about physics than my professor, I didn't read the book, I

:50:28.:50:29.

just know I read more. Let's discuss this with our guest.

:50:30.:50:39.

What do you think about what he has been saying? Joe Biden has a good

:50:40.:50:45.

way of making things simple. Some people think he would have beaten

:50:46.:50:49.

Donald Trump had he chosen to run. The point is well taken. There is a

:50:50.:50:55.

bizarre love and admiration between Dolman Tromp and Vladimir Putin, no

:50:56.:51:01.

one can quite explain it. There is a willingness from Trump, who

:51:02.:51:04.

obviously won the election by calling into question, the

:51:05.:51:08.

complacency of the elites. He is doing the same with the intelligence

:51:09.:51:14.

community. Part of him, has this desire to make trouble and part of

:51:15.:51:19.

him is this desire to defend his victory, because part of the

:51:20.:51:23.

accusation is that the Russians intervened to help him win the

:51:24.:51:27.

election and to defeat Hillary Clinton. Part of what becomes is a

:51:28.:51:33.

partisan battle, again a very divided country, Republicans against

:51:34.:51:37.

Democrats. Democrats will feel the election was taken from them.

:51:38.:51:42.

Possibly with Russian meddling and help. The Republicans want to make

:51:43.:51:46.

sure there is no stain on this victory. At least, that is what

:51:47.:51:51.

Trump wants. Republican senators, people like John McCain, who have a

:51:52.:51:58.

long history about being tough about Russia and the Russian annexation of

:51:59.:52:02.

Crimea and Russian meddling are very upset with their President-elect.

:52:03.:52:10.

What is wrong with somebody voicing what Mike Pence has described as

:52:11.:52:15.

healthy scepticism, not taking it as face value. How much have they seen

:52:16.:52:21.

of the intelligence yet? The interesting about Trump, he wants to

:52:22.:52:24.

keep the distance between himself and what the intelligence people are

:52:25.:52:29.

saying. So this will be the first time he will have had any proper

:52:30.:52:35.

briefing on this? On this particular issue, there is a classified

:52:36.:52:39.

briefing that President Obama got yesterday and that Trump will get

:52:40.:52:42.

today and there will be declassified version that out next week. In terms

:52:43.:52:49.

of what we do understand from some of our reporting and reporting for

:52:50.:52:55.

others, they have intercepted messages of congratulations among

:52:56.:52:59.

Russian leaders about what happened. There is an implicit sense they knew

:53:00.:53:05.

what was going on. The intelligence chief who testified yesterday, James

:53:06.:53:10.

Klapper, tried to make the distinction between normal spying,

:53:11.:53:15.

which is what we all do, which is intelligence gathering and meddling

:53:16.:53:17.

in elections and meddling in the political process, that in the

:53:18.:53:23.

United States, simply to our knowledge, hasn't happened before.

:53:24.:53:28.

He said it continues. He is trying to say scepticism is fine, but

:53:29.:53:33.

disparaging the work of the intelligence community is deeply

:53:34.:53:36.

damaging to our national interests. Thank you very much.

:53:37.:53:41.

The Indian actor, Om Puri, who starred in the British

:53:42.:53:43.

comedy East is East, has died of a suspected

:53:44.:53:45.

Om Puri, who acted in both mainstream and art films,

:53:46.:53:50.

was known for his gritty performances in a number of landmark

:53:51.:53:52.

He also appeared in a number of British films, including a cameo

:53:53.:53:58.

in Richard Attenborough's epic on Mahatma Gandhi, and,

:53:59.:54:00.

more recently, he played opposite Dame Helen Mirren

:54:01.:54:02.

Slowdown. Stop! Stir things up. I want to buy this restaurant. This is

:54:03.:54:17.

private property. Do you own this property? No, no. That means you are

:54:18.:54:27.

just passing through. The President of France lines there. People don't

:54:28.:54:39.

eat those things. They have never tried. My son is the best Indian

:54:40.:54:44.

chef in Europe. Raise your hand, don't be shy. Begin! Is it a wedding

:54:45.:54:55.

party over there? A funeral. The death of good taste. If your food is

:54:56.:55:01.

anything like your music, I suggest you turn it down. I will turn it

:55:02.:55:08.

down, but I will turn the heat up. Let's speak to the former East End

:55:09.:55:14.

as actor who starred alongside him in a number of productions. When you

:55:15.:55:20.

are 13, you saw him on the big screen and he had a massive impact?

:55:21.:55:28.

He did. It was a rare occasion when my family went to see a British film

:55:29.:55:33.

in the Midlands. It was Richard Attenborough's Gandhi. As a

:55:34.:55:37.

teenager, I kind of had to sit there through the lecture of India's

:55:38.:55:43.

history and then the scene in the film, which was astonishing, was a

:55:44.:55:49.

tiny little scene, it was a cameo and it had such a huge impact on me.

:55:50.:55:54.

I have never forgot it. Years later, it turned out to be Om Puri. After

:55:55.:56:03.

that, I had the honour of working with him twice on projects. I did

:56:04.:56:10.

tell him that story. What was it about that moment and him that

:56:11.:56:14.

connected with you as a 13-year-old boy? It is very profound. The memory

:56:15.:56:20.

of that experience of watching an actor storming into a scene. It was

:56:21.:56:28.

so powerful, so full of energy and so truthful, I had never seen

:56:29.:56:32.

anything like it. It stuck with me. It stuck with me. It had such a

:56:33.:56:37.

profound effect, it had a big influence on what I wanted to

:56:38.:56:42.

achieve as an actor. When you came to meet him and act alongside him,

:56:43.:56:46.

you told him that story, what was he like? He was great. Om Puri, he has

:56:47.:56:54.

got a very angry resting face. But when he breaks out into a smile, the

:56:55.:57:00.

room lights up. He is a very gentle man and full of humour. Completely

:57:01.:57:06.

took me under his wing. I loved working with him. We were

:57:07.:57:11.

side-by-side, working as equals. His only regret with me is that I wasn't

:57:12.:57:17.

Punjabi enough for him. I remember one day, I said I fancy some Indian

:57:18.:57:25.

food. His wife had just come over from India and cook. There it was on

:57:26.:57:30.

the set the next day. He said, my wife cooked for you. He was lovely,

:57:31.:57:37.

made every experience like a family gathering, eat, drink, work and be

:57:38.:57:42.

happy. A couple of weeks ago he tweeted about his life and career.

:57:43.:57:46.

He said I don't have any regrets, I have done well for my self. I didn't

:57:47.:57:52.

have a conventional phase, but I am proud of what I have done.

:57:53.:58:03.

Absolutely, both Hollywood and Bollywood have a criteria where you

:58:04.:58:08.

have to be handsome and have a great set of teeth, but Om Puri broke that

:58:09.:58:13.

completely, he was your archetypal heart-throb. His career was huge. He

:58:14.:58:19.

has done hundreds of films. But he brought truth to what could be a

:58:20.:58:24.

very shallow industry and gravitas that nobody can match. It was a

:58:25.:58:29.

great honour for me to work with him. He is also one of these guys

:58:30.:58:33.

who hasn't managed to work in Britain, worked in Hollywood

:58:34.:58:37.

alongside Tom Hanks and Helen Mirren, as you have shown. But it

:58:38.:58:41.

all boils down to the truth and power of his acting. Thank you very

:58:42.:58:44.

much. My pleasure. Abba at the moment there is a

:58:45.:59:03.

contrast across the UK. Minus six this morning across the country. 15

:59:04.:59:07.

degrees warmer towards Northern Ireland and 15 degrees warmer than

:59:08.:59:12.

it was this time yesterday. It is the warmer air that takes over this

:59:13.:59:16.

weekend. But there is cloud and outbreaks of rain. It is heavy

:59:17.:59:22.

across eastern Northern Ireland and it will be into England and Wales

:59:23.:59:31.

and Scotland. After an icy start towards East Anglia, it stays cold

:59:32.:59:34.

all day, but you should see sunshine. Not quite the blue skies

:59:35.:59:40.

of yesterday. The temperature contrasts continue. Tonight, milder

:59:41.:59:45.

air pushes southwards after rain in East Anglia and the South East.

:59:46.:59:49.

Misty and damp throughout the night across the South. Spot of those

:59:50.:59:53.

elsewhere and misty over the hills. Clear skies will be in northern

:59:54.:59:57.

Scotland and here, a touch of frost into the weekend. But this is where

:59:58.:00:02.

you see the best of the sunshine. Lots of cloud around on Saturday,

:00:03.:00:07.

brighter breaks will come and go but morning rain and drizzle in the

:00:08.:00:11.

south. Many of you will spend the afternoon dry and across southern

:00:12.:00:13.

area is a good deal milder than it will be today. Chilly across the

:00:14.:00:18.

north-east of Scotland, where again there could be of frost to go into

:00:19.:00:24.

Sunday. Sunday, another dry and reasonably sunny day. Right across

:00:25.:00:27.

eastern part of England. It does stay cloudy for most with spots of

:00:28.:00:31.

rain and drizzle in the West and temperatures higher than they should

:00:32.:00:36.

be. Warmer than it has been, peaking at 11 degrees in the south-west of

:00:37.:00:42.

England. Whilst we get milder this weekend, it gets colder to the east

:00:43.:00:46.

of Europe. Athens, barely above freezing on Sunday. Moscow, a high

:00:47.:00:50.

of -25 degrees. Too cold for me. Hello, I'm Joanna Gosling

:00:51.:00:55.

in for Victoria Derbyshire. Postal workers are delivering drugs

:00:56.:00:57.

bought on the so-called dark web, unaware of what they are handing

:00:58.:01:11.

over and with few checks. A major inquiry is promised into

:01:12.:01:13.

the changing nature of cyber crime. And more people than ever

:01:14.:01:16.

with mental health problems are being kept in hospitals

:01:17.:01:18.

for longer than necessary because of problems finding care

:01:19.:01:21.

for them when they leave. We talk to a man who says he felt

:01:22.:01:23.

like he'd been kidnapped after being kept on a secure ward

:01:24.:01:26.

unnecessarily for months. It puts things in perspective. There

:01:27.:01:34.

are people with so much power and they can keep you locked up, no one

:01:35.:01:37.

bats an eyelid. One of London's most iconic

:01:38.:01:40.

nightclubs which reopens its doors again this weekend with tough

:01:41.:01:43.

security and zero tolerance Now, let's get a summary of the news

:01:44.:01:45.

from the BBC Newsroom. Donald Trump's doubts over

:01:46.:01:55.

the judgement of America's intelligence chiefs has been

:01:56.:01:59.

attacked as "absolutely mindless" by the outgoing US vice

:02:00.:02:01.

president Joe Biden. The President-elect is due to meet

:02:02.:02:06.

intelligence chiefs today, to discuss their claims that Russia

:02:07.:02:08.

tried to interfere in the American Mr Trump's been facing renewed

:02:09.:02:11.

criticism from senior Republicans and Democrats about his scepticism,

:02:12.:02:14.

and less than 24-hours before the meeting, one of his top

:02:15.:02:17.

intelligence advisers quit his team. Russia says it is withdrawing

:02:18.:02:28.

its aircraft carrier and some other warships from the waters off Syria

:02:29.:02:31.

as the first step in drawing Moscow has been a key supporter

:02:32.:02:34.

of Syrian President Bashar Assad's government and forces in the Mideast

:02:35.:02:37.

country's devastating civil war. Russian General Staff chief

:02:38.:02:42.

Valery Gerasimov said that the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier

:02:43.:02:46.

and accompanying ships New figures from NHS England showed

:02:47.:03:03.

slightly fewer patients attended AMD departments between Christmas and

:03:04.:03:06.

New Year as compared to earlier in December. The total was just over

:03:07.:03:11.

370,000. The run-up to Christmas itself also quieter.

:03:12.:03:15.

Delays in discharging people from hospital are rising more

:03:16.:03:17.

rapidly in mental health trusts than other parts of the NHS

:03:18.:03:20.

NHS England data found a 56% rise in the number of bed days lost

:03:21.:03:24.

to delayed discharge in psychiatric trusts in October 2016

:03:25.:03:26.

Ministers said they will be spending ?400 million to ensure mental health

:03:27.:03:33.

teams can provide support to people in their homes.

:03:34.:03:39.

A man will appear in court today in connection with a police

:03:40.:03:42.

operation on the M62 near Huddersfield,

:03:43.:03:43.

28 year-old Yassar Yaqub died after firearms

:03:44.:03:47.

officers stopped a car he was in on a motorway slip road.

:03:48.:03:53.

Moshin Amin, who is 30 and from Dewsbury, has been charged

:03:54.:03:55.

Chris Grayling is urging Southern Rail staff to suspend industrial

:03:56.:04:10.

action, saying there is no safety excuse for it to continue.

:04:11.:04:14.

The train drivers' union Aslef says it will go ahead with three

:04:15.:04:17.

days of strike action on the Southern Rail

:04:18.:04:19.

That's despite a report by the Independent Rail Regulator

:04:20.:04:22.

claiming that trains with driver-operated doors,

:04:23.:04:23.

British Airways says customers will be able to fly to their destinations

:04:24.:04:35.

during a 48-hour strike by cabin crew next Tuesday although a small

:04:36.:04:39.

number of flights will be merged. Members of Unite will walk out for

:04:40.:04:44.

48 hours next Tuesday. The failure to predict the financial

:04:45.:04:48.

crisis of 2008 was a "Michael Fish" moment for economists,

:04:49.:04:51.

the Bank of England's Andy Haldane compared financial

:04:52.:04:53.

forecasts to the famously inaccurate reassurances given by the BBC

:04:54.:04:56.

weatherman ahead of the UK's Mr Haldane said the profession

:04:57.:04:58.

was "to some degree in crisis" following the crash

:04:59.:05:02.

and the Brexit vote. The Indian actor, Om Puri,

:05:03.:05:08.

who starred in the British comedy East is East has died

:05:09.:05:11.

of a suspected heart attack. Om Puri also appeared in other

:05:12.:05:14.

films, including Gandhi, and more recently he played opposite

:05:15.:05:18.

Dame Helen Mirren in That's a summary of the latest BBC

:05:19.:05:21.

News - more at 10:30am. Lots of you are reacting to the news

:05:22.:05:35.

that more people than ever with mental health problems are being

:05:36.:05:38.

kept in hospital for longer than necessary because of difficulties

:05:39.:05:41.

finding somewhere for them to go once it has been agreed they can be

:05:42.:05:47.

discharged. One viewer has said, hospital social services and

:05:48.:05:51.

computer systems aren't compatible soap assessments are lost, repeated

:05:52.:05:57.

not clear. Another says, reduce the number of beds, no saved money is

:05:58.:06:10.

reinvested. Andy has tweeted to say, I work in mental health support,

:06:11.:06:13.

funding cut every year and every time they announce extra funding

:06:14.:06:17.

they've vulnerable you find it isn't really new.

:06:18.:06:22.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

:06:23.:06:24.

use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

:06:25.:06:28.

It's one of the biggest weekends of the football calendar,

:06:29.:06:33.

it's FA Cup third round weekend, the point where Premier League

:06:34.:06:36.

and Championship teams enter the competition.

:06:37.:06:38.

The first tie of the is live on BBC One and this evening,

:06:39.:06:41.

and sees Manchester City visit the London Stadium to

:06:42.:06:43.

City boss Pep Guardiola is excited for his first taste of the Cup.

:06:44.:06:53.

What I hear here before is the cup is special because the lower teams

:06:54.:07:02.

can beat the big teams. That's why it's so fascinating. It can happen

:07:03.:07:08.

in the cup as well and that's why I'm looking forward to it. Of course

:07:09.:07:12.

the Premier League game will be tough.

:07:13.:07:16.

A big game for us, the big game for them. It is FA Cup. Big game for

:07:17.:07:26.

both clubs. It is for the fans of course. I'm sure there are going to

:07:27.:07:32.

again put very strong teams. Following the likes to Carlos Tevez,

:07:33.:07:35.

Demba Ba and Oscar, the Chinese Super League has picked

:07:36.:07:38.

up another high profile player. Nigeria's Jon Obi Mikel

:07:39.:07:40.

follows former Chelsea teammate Oscar to China,

:07:41.:07:42.

joining Tianjin Teda FC. In an emotional letter to his

:07:43.:07:45.

"Chelsea family" on social media, the midfielder thanked fans

:07:46.:07:47.

for making the "impossible, Sir Andy Murray is starting 2017,

:07:48.:07:49.

much in the same way he ended 2016 - He's now into the semifinals

:07:50.:08:03.

of the Qatar Open with a win over For his second match in a row

:08:04.:08:08.

there was a tiebreak in the opening He took the second 7-5, and faces

:08:09.:08:12.

third seed Tomas Berdych next. Bad news for Johanna Konta though,

:08:13.:08:16.

she missed out on a place in the Shenzhen Open final

:08:17.:08:19.

after a shock defeat to Czech world And that's all the sport

:08:20.:08:23.

for now, I'll be back There's going to be a "major

:08:24.:08:30.

inquiry" into how the police That's according to Yvette Cooper,

:08:31.:08:38.

who chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee, which looks at how

:08:39.:08:43.

the governments doing when it She's been speaking to the BBC

:08:44.:08:45.

after a Newsbeat investigation revealed claims that an increasing

:08:46.:08:50.

amount of illegal drugs are being It's an illegal trade

:08:51.:08:53.

worth millions, and it means your local postman could,

:08:54.:08:58.

unwittingly, be delivering drugs More and more people are buying

:08:59.:09:01.

drugs on the Dark Web, Are the final point

:09:02.:09:06.

in the drug dealing chain. You tell the managers,

:09:07.:09:12.

and all they say is, If you see the person

:09:13.:09:20.

it is delivered to, just tell He is not alone in telling us

:09:21.:09:25.

that he has had suspicious We've been on forums

:09:26.:09:30.

used by postal workers, and heard the same stories

:09:31.:09:35.

of parcels which smell We spent a few hours outside of one

:09:36.:09:37.

of the largest sorting offices But, none of them would speak

:09:38.:09:41.

on camera, for fear The Royal Mail told us that it does

:09:42.:09:45.

not knowingly carry any illegal But getting drugs online

:09:46.:09:49.

is becoming more popular, He would only speak to us

:09:50.:09:53.

if we protected his identity. It was cheaper, and you

:09:54.:09:59.

had a smaller chance Me and my friend have found it

:10:00.:10:03.

incredibly funny how she hands it over to us and says,

:10:04.:10:08.

thank you very much. I looked at her and went "No,

:10:09.:10:10.

thank you very much". She walked off, completely

:10:11.:10:13.

unaware that she was part This part of London used to be

:10:14.:10:15.

home to a lot of shops where you could buy legal highs

:10:16.:10:20.

or use psychoactive substances. The government says its new laws

:10:21.:10:23.

to tackle this has meant that But, we managed to get these

:10:24.:10:26.

drugs on the Dark Web, We asked the government

:10:27.:10:30.

to come on and speak to us They say that they are spending

:10:31.:10:34.

?1.9 billion over the next five So, how easy was it to buy those

:10:35.:10:38.

drugs on the Dark Web? We've come to meet Chris,

:10:39.:10:44.

an independent security Everything about it is pretty much

:10:45.:10:46.

like eBay, except it looks Yes, the technology is not

:10:47.:10:52.

as mature, but you are seeing an anonymous website which is hard

:10:53.:10:59.

to track down indeed. At the end of the session,

:11:00.:11:04.

we bought three different drugs. Ecstasy, some marijuana, and

:11:05.:11:07.

synthetic cannabis, known as spice. It is taken out of your

:11:08.:11:11.

wallet, and then... A few days later, all

:11:12.:11:13.

three parcels arrived. We took them to this government

:11:14.:11:16.

approved testing lab... There is no way that every single

:11:17.:11:18.

item could be opened. There would be backlogs

:11:19.:11:24.

upon backlogs. So, they are trained on things

:11:25.:11:29.

that look suspicious. It may have only been three samples,

:11:30.:11:32.

that the testing proved that everything we bought on the Dark Web

:11:33.:11:38.

was as described. Raising the question, what needs to

:11:39.:11:49.

be done to stop this deadly trade? Police and authorities need to keep

:11:50.:11:53.

up with new technology. It isn't easy but the police can't do it

:11:54.:11:57.

alone. They've got to be able to collaborate with other organisations

:11:58.:12:01.

including customs, the postal service, and learn from what other

:12:02.:12:04.

countries are doing. She says more can be done but how will the

:12:05.:12:08.

authorities tackle a global issue where every time an online

:12:09.:12:11.

marketplaces shut down, another pops up to replace it?

:12:12.:12:15.

Let's talk now to Jamie Bartlett, who's from the Centre

:12:16.:12:17.

for the Analysis of Social Media at the think tank Demos

:12:18.:12:20.

and author of The Dark Net: Inside the Digital Underworld

:12:21.:12:22.

and Dr Adam Winstock is a consultant psychiatrist and founder

:12:23.:12:25.

of the Global Drugs Survey, the biggest drugs

:12:26.:12:27.

Thank you for joining us. You've been looking into what's been going

:12:28.:12:37.

on on the dark web for some time, how much drug dealing is going on,

:12:38.:12:42.

what is the proportion happening there? It's quite difficult to tell

:12:43.:12:46.

because it's quite secretive place, but there are dozens of sites like

:12:47.:12:52.

ones we've just seen which offer an Amazon or eBay style service selling

:12:53.:12:57.

drugs. From hundreds, maybe thousands of fenders. In terms of

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the actual amount, I think it's tens, maybe hundreds of millions of

:13:02.:13:07.

pounds a year. That's got to be put into context. The global drugs trade

:13:08.:13:12.

offline is far bigger than that. I think we're going to hear from the

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global drug survey, we found one in five users have purchased drugs from

:13:20.:13:25.

the dark web. It doesn't mean they've use them themselves of

:13:26.:13:29.

course. I think that's going to grow because people are attracted to,

:13:30.:13:33.

frankly, what is for many users a better offer online and they can get

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offline. They don't have to go somewhere that feels dodgy... Dodgy

:13:38.:13:42.

street corners. It is still dangerous but you aren't out on the

:13:43.:13:46.

streets. Because it's a competitive market, a lot of users reported

:13:47.:13:50.

better quality products. Fenders are competing with each other for your

:13:51.:13:56.

custom -- fenders. Quality goes up and price goes down. Adam, you are

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the founder of the global drugs survey, that some figures on this in

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terms of the scale. We've been tracking this for the last five

:14:07.:14:10.

years, and it has increased year on year. I think one of the interesting

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things is those countries that have got some of the highest interest in

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buying drugs on the dark net are those with the most punitive drug

:14:19.:14:22.

regimes. Countries such as Sweden and Norway. In countries like

:14:23.:14:29.

Australia, America, the UK, the attraction of a broader range of

:14:30.:14:33.

drugs delivered to your door with the possibility of better quality is

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going to make those marketplaces increasingly popular. Is it roaring

:14:42.:14:45.

in people who previously might not have touched drugs at all or is it

:14:46.:14:49.

changing the way people who would have done it anyway go about getting

:14:50.:14:52.

them? -- drawing in people. It is those people who are already

:14:53.:15:02.

involved in using illicit drugs. We might draw people back into using

:15:03.:15:08.

illicit drugs who lost contact with street dealers. One thing we are

:15:09.:15:13.

seeing, about a third of users are increasing their drug using

:15:14.:15:18.

repertoire. LSD and other drugs, perhaps you would like DMT? There is

:15:19.:15:30.

the possibility of people are expanding their repertoire. Jamie,

:15:31.:15:34.

you describe it as Amazon or eBay. Hurdles have to be crossed to get

:15:35.:15:39.

into this part of the web, but it is not that difficult to do, as we have

:15:40.:15:44.

seen. Why does it not translate into the security services, intelligence

:15:45.:15:47.

agencies being able to crack down on it? It isn't as difficult as people

:15:48.:15:56.

imagine to get onto this part of the Internet. But it is difficult for

:15:57.:15:59.

the authorities to know what people are doing when they are there. You

:16:00.:16:06.

have powerful encryption which means people on their keep their IP

:16:07.:16:11.

address obscure or hidden. The sites themselves are difficult to remove

:16:12.:16:16.

entirely from the nets. That sounds almost impossible, but the way

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modern encryption works, in fact it is a relatively secure place. The

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difficulty is, I think for the authorities, although they are

:16:27.:16:28.

trying much more now than they were a few years ago to undermine these

:16:29.:16:33.

markets and infiltrate these markets, in an old-fashioned

:16:34.:16:37.

policing sense, they don't want to destroy the entire network. Because

:16:38.:16:43.

the encryption on which the dark net depends, is valuable for

:16:44.:16:46.

whistle-blowers and journalists and for human rights activists around

:16:47.:16:51.

the world. This dark net has an important social function as well.

:16:52.:16:56.

It is unfortunate it is always going to be, as has always been the case,

:16:57.:17:00.

used by people for criminal purposes as well as for good. Adam, is much

:17:01.:17:07.

being done to crack down on the drug dealing online, have there been many

:17:08.:17:10.

arrests of people dealing or people buying? It is incredibly difficult

:17:11.:17:17.

for the police to identify who is buying drugs online and whether or

:17:18.:17:21.

not it is the best investment of their time. Where we need to spend

:17:22.:17:28.

more time is thinking what the impact is having better access to

:17:29.:17:36.

drugs online and the global drug survey is looking exactly how the

:17:37.:17:40.

dark net access is altering people's drug use. It may not always be for

:17:41.:17:46.

harmful effects. You could see some benefits could come out of it. There

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was a doctor, -- as a doctor I worry it could develop somebody's drug use

:17:55.:18:02.

and also develop better products. The police say they will spend more

:18:03.:18:07.

money on cyber crime over the next five years. How best will the money

:18:08.:18:11.

be spent? You cite the example of what has happened in New Zealand as

:18:12.:18:15.

a way of potentially looking at these issues? New Zealand benefits

:18:16.:18:20.

from having secure borders and a relatively small population. The

:18:21.:18:25.

amount of postal traffic is relatively little compared to the

:18:26.:18:30.

UK. There is good collaboration between Customs, the police and the

:18:31.:18:34.

postal services. Trying to replicate that in the UK with a population

:18:35.:18:40.

that is ten times the size, it is going to be really difficult. It is

:18:41.:18:44.

a good opportunity for the government to start thinking about

:18:45.:18:50.

other ways of producing drug-related harm, or just banning them. We have

:18:51.:18:59.

to educate people about the risks, but also how to use them more

:19:00.:19:03.

safely. It is something we have to look at more carefully. Jamie, in

:19:04.:19:09.

the report we heard how the post people delivering these parcels

:19:10.:19:12.

sometimes know what is in them because they can smell it. But it

:19:13.:19:16.

seems not much is being done to actually clamp down on it. Why

:19:17.:19:23.

aren't there sniffer dogs? It is so difficult to do. If you look at it,

:19:24.:19:28.

there is something like a billion pieces of mail delivered every year

:19:29.:19:32.

by the Royal Mail. A fraction of that will be illegal drugs. So spot

:19:33.:19:40.

testing and random checks will not pick up on everything. As you saw,

:19:41.:19:47.

you can hear some pills in a bottle, but you don't know if they are

:19:48.:19:52.

illegal or not. The truth is, people who are selling these drugs are

:19:53.:19:57.

very, very good at hiding them. They are obscured or hidden within junk

:19:58.:20:02.

mail. Inside sweet packets and aerosol cans which make it difficult

:20:03.:20:06.

for the sniffer dogs and anyone else to guess what they are. Even though,

:20:07.:20:12.

yes, the postal service is sometimes delivering drugs, it is unfair to

:20:13.:20:16.

criticise them for it because it is so difficult for them to know. Thank

:20:17.:20:22.

you both. Gavin has treated, complete overhaul of the UK drug

:20:23.:20:27.

laws is needed. A tweet from Hannah says, drugs need to be legalised and

:20:28.:20:32.

regulated. People will never stop using them, let's make it safe and

:20:33.:20:37.

tax it. A tweet said prohibition is a problem. The only answer is to

:20:38.:20:40.

legalise and regulate drugs. Anything else is a fight that cannot

:20:41.:20:42.

be won. And you can see that full

:20:43.:20:44.

Newsbeat documentary Drugs A police force is trying a new

:20:45.:20:55.

approach to bring in a burglary suspect who has been evading

:20:56.:21:00.

officers. We will be talking about that in a few moments.

:21:01.:21:02.

The funeral of the man who was killed during a police

:21:03.:21:05.

operation in West Yorkshire on Monday is taking place

:21:06.:21:07.

28-year-old Yassar Yaqub, was shot when police stopped

:21:08.:21:15.

a car near junction 24 of the M62 on Monday.

:21:16.:21:18.

The inquest found the provisional cause of death was gunshot wound to

:21:19.:21:22.

the chest. Another man is appearing

:21:23.:21:23.

court in Dewsbury today, Joining me now from Huddersfield

:21:24.:21:25.

is our correspondent, Judith Moritz. Judith, bring us up today with the

:21:26.:21:38.

latest in this investigation. Several different elements this

:21:39.:21:41.

morning to tell you about. The funeral here which took place a

:21:42.:21:46.

short time ago. Hundreds of mourners filled the mosque behind me and

:21:47.:21:52.

poured into the street as well. There were so many, they could not

:21:53.:21:57.

all fit inside. As the coffin of Yassar Yaqub was brought up the

:21:58.:22:00.

street, inside the mosque for a short time, about half an hour or

:22:01.:22:03.

so, then a few minutes ago he was taken away for burial. His family

:22:04.:22:10.

followed the Coffin. His mother's distress was audible. That service

:22:11.:22:15.

is happening now away from here. Elsewhere, there has been the

:22:16.:22:20.

inquest into the death of Yassar Yaqub. That was opened and adjourned

:22:21.:22:23.

this morning. Just a three-minute hearing. The coroner in that case

:22:24.:22:30.

will hear it more fully in March. It has been adjourned until the 31st of

:22:31.:22:34.

March. The details that did emerge this morning, Yassar Yaqub,

:22:35.:22:40.

28-year-old, he is single, his profession was given as an office

:22:41.:22:47.

clerk. The inquest found his provisional cause of death was

:22:48.:22:51.

gunshot wounds to the chest. And also the hearing heard a firearm was

:22:52.:22:56.

recovered from the front passenger foot well of the car in which Yassar

:22:57.:23:01.

Yaqub was travelling on Monday night, when he was shot by West

:23:02.:23:06.

Yorkshire Police. That inquest was opened and adjourned. Elsewhere in

:23:07.:23:11.

Yorkshire, this morning a court appearance is due at Leeds

:23:12.:23:14.

Magistrates' Court. That will be the first appearance of Moshin Amin, who

:23:15.:23:25.

was charged with firearms offences in connection with this case. We

:23:26.:23:30.

expected to be a relatively short hearing. Thing is getting underway

:23:31.:23:36.

in terms of the judicial process. The Independent Police Complaints

:23:37.:23:38.

Commission which is investigating this separately, that continues. We

:23:39.:23:44.

are yet to hear from them, any update today. But there is different

:23:45.:23:48.

things happening but the focus for the family of Yassar Yaqub, who have

:23:49.:23:53.

spoken to the media and also friends of his who spoke to us this morning,

:23:54.:23:56.

their focus is about paying tribute to him and morning for someone they

:23:57.:24:03.

say was very well loved in his community and will be sadly missed.

:24:04.:24:08.

One friend of Yassar Yaqub, should tell you, in the last few minutes

:24:09.:24:13.

told reporters, they feel this case bears similarities to that of Mark

:24:14.:24:18.

Duggan, the man who was shot in Tottenham in London by police in

:24:19.:24:23.

2011. Those similarities have been drawn by the family and friends of

:24:24.:24:27.

Yassar Yaqub today. Thank you, Judith.

:24:28.:24:30.

Russia says its withdrawing its aircraft carrier and some other

:24:31.:24:33.

warships from the waters off Syria as the first step in drawing down

:24:34.:24:36.

According to the state news agency, the defence ministry is starting

:24:37.:24:39.

to downsize armed forces in Syria in light of the recent ceasefire.

:24:40.:24:42.

It follows a major battle during which the Russian backed

:24:43.:24:46.

Syrian regime reclaimed the city of Aleppo.

:24:47.:24:47.

I'm joined by Famil Ismailov from the BBC Russia service.

:24:48.:24:53.

Thanks for coming in. Does this indicate they think, job done? The

:24:54.:25:02.

first question was asked, what was the job of the aircraft carrier?

:25:03.:25:13.

Also, the major battle cruiser, which was nuclear powered, they were

:25:14.:25:16.

sent to the area. But the question is asked because the aircraft

:25:17.:25:24.

carrier was shown later on, was not technically prepared to join the

:25:25.:25:33.

battle in Syria. It lost two aeroplanes, within probably a couple

:25:34.:25:37.

of weeks, within a month. The questions were asked, was it ready

:25:38.:25:41.

to go? If you look at the screen behind you, there is black smoke

:25:42.:25:49.

coming out of the carrier. That is not what is supposed to happen. Not

:25:50.:25:54.

how the aircraft carrier should be seen. But all the way it was coming

:25:55.:25:59.

from its base to the Mediterranean, it would show the engine was

:26:00.:26:06.

probably faulty. Russia has played a very active role in Syria, what

:26:07.:26:09.

capability remains, what is likely to happen now? After the naval group

:26:10.:26:17.

will leave, we will see attempts by Russian and Turkish diplomats and

:26:18.:26:23.

military to hold the ceasefire in the main battlefields in Syria. We

:26:24.:26:28.

have seen some clashes near Damascus and clashes in other places, but

:26:29.:26:32.

generally the ceasefire is holding. The question is, how long will it

:26:33.:26:36.

hold and how will a transfer into the negotiations which are expected

:26:37.:26:40.

to start on the 23rd of June in Kazakhstan. Thank you very much.

:26:41.:26:48.

Still to come... Clubbers will be able to return to Fabric, with a

:26:49.:26:57.

zero drugs policy. With the news, here's Anita McVeigh

:26:58.:27:05.

in the BBC Newsroom. Donald Trump's doubts over

:27:06.:27:08.

the judgement of America's intelligence chiefs has been

:27:09.:27:13.

attacked as "absolutely mindless" by the outgoing US vice

:27:14.:27:15.

president Joe Biden. The President-elect, is due to meet

:27:16.:27:17.

intelligence chiefs today, to discuss their claims that Russia

:27:18.:27:19.

tried to interfere in the American Mr Trump's been facing renewed

:27:20.:27:22.

criticism from senior Republicans and Democrats about his scepticism,

:27:23.:27:26.

and less than 24-hours before the meeting, one of his top

:27:27.:27:30.

intelligence advisers quit his team. Russia says it is withdrawing

:27:31.:27:37.

its aircraft carrier and some other warships from the waters off Syria

:27:38.:27:40.

as the first step in drawing Moscow has been a key supporter

:27:41.:27:43.

of Syrian President Bashar Assad's government and forces in the Mideast

:27:44.:27:49.

country's devastating civil war. Russian General Staff chief

:27:50.:27:52.

Valery Gerasimov said that the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier

:27:53.:27:56.

and accompanying ships New figures from NHS England show

:27:57.:28:01.

slightly fewer patients attended accident and emergency departments

:28:02.:28:07.

in England the week between Christmas and New Year,

:28:08.:28:11.

as compared to earlier in December. And the run up to Christmas itself

:28:12.:28:14.

was also quieter, the figures show. A man will appear in court today

:28:15.:28:21.

in connection with a police operation on the M62

:28:22.:28:24.

near Huddersfield, 28-year-old Yassar Yaqub

:28:25.:28:26.

died after firearms officers stopped a car

:28:27.:28:31.

he was in on a motorway slip road. Moshin Amin, who is 30

:28:32.:28:36.

and from Dewsbury, has been charged The Transport Secretary Chris

:28:37.:28:39.

Grayling is urging Southern Rail staff to suspend their industrial

:28:40.:28:44.

action, saying there's no "safety The train drivers' union Aslef says

:28:45.:28:48.

it will go ahead with three days of strike action

:28:49.:28:53.

on the Southern Rail That's despite a report

:28:54.:28:55.

by the Independent Rail Regulator claiming that trains

:28:56.:29:00.

with driver-operated doors, David Bowie only discovered his

:29:01.:29:18.

cancer was terminal three months before he died. He died last

:29:19.:29:24.

January, just days after the release of his album, Black Star. You can

:29:25.:29:34.

see a documentary, David Bowie, The Last Five Years tomorrow on BBC Two.

:29:35.:29:40.

That is a summary of the latest news. Join me for BBC newsroom live

:29:41.:29:44.

at 11 o'clock. A big weekend of FA Cup ties

:29:45.:29:47.

coming up, 32 matches The action starts tonight

:29:48.:29:52.

when Pep Guardiola's Manchester City For Guardiola, it's

:29:53.:29:55.

a new experience, he's never been involved in this Cup before and he's

:29:56.:29:58.

looking forward to what he describes Another Premier League player is

:29:59.:30:02.

moving to the Chinese Super League. Chelsea's John Obi Mikel

:30:03.:30:09.

is going to Tianjin Teda. Mikel joins other high profile

:30:10.:30:11.

names in making the move, including former Chelsea teammate

:30:12.:30:14.

Oscar. Sir Andy Murray is through to

:30:15.:30:18.

the last four of the Qatar Open. The World Number One beat

:30:19.:30:21.

Spain's Nicolas Almagro in straight sets to set up a semi-final

:30:22.:30:24.

with third seed Tomas Berdych. Top seed Johanna Konta missed out

:30:25.:30:30.

on a place in the final The British Number One was shocked

:30:31.:30:32.

by Czech world number 52 That's all from me for now,

:30:33.:30:37.

I'll have more on the BBC A police force's open letter

:30:38.:30:43.

to a suspected burglar, which included emojis and hashtags,

:30:44.:30:53.

has met with a mixed response. Kingston Police tweeted the note

:30:54.:30:55.

addressed to Tracey Dyke, In a two-page letter on Facebook,

:30:56.:30:58.

appealing for her to contact "Dear Tracey Dyke, We have come

:30:59.:31:02.

round to see you a number of times recently, but it looks like you'd

:31:03.:31:17.

rather not speak to us, We have a slight suspicion that

:31:18.:31:19.

you might be blanking us #Awkward. You don't text, you don't

:31:20.:31:23.

call back and haven't They go on to say Ms Dyke

:31:24.:31:25.

was a suspect in crimes involving The letter signs off with,

:31:26.:31:29.

"Looking forward to seeing I'm joined now by our

:31:30.:31:32.

reporter, Sian Grzeszczyk. This is unusual, isn't it? Tell us

:31:33.:31:43.

more about it and what the reaction has been. It is very unusual, I

:31:44.:31:48.

haven't come across a tweet like this before. It has certainly

:31:49.:31:53.

divided opinion since it was tweeted 24 hours ago. Let me take you

:31:54.:31:58.

through some of the reaction. Some impressed, some are unimpressed. A

:31:59.:32:02.

lady called Christina said, this reads like what a schoolteacher

:32:03.:32:07.

types up on a newsletter to try and beat cool but just comes across as

:32:08.:32:15.

awkward. Another response described it as a clever and unexpected use of

:32:16.:32:21.

social media by a police force. The letter also doesn't just address

:32:22.:32:25.

Tracy but it urges members of the public if they see had to call 999.

:32:26.:32:30.

Comments just keep pouring in every time you look at the Twitter page

:32:31.:32:36.

for Kingston police. One person said, whatever happened to

:32:37.:32:40.

professionalism? Appalling conduct from social media team. It certainly

:32:41.:32:46.

got people talking about it. What have Kingston police said? They

:32:47.:32:50.

haven't got back to meet with the answers to my questions. Their

:32:51.:32:53.

reaction to how people have perceived this open letter to

:32:54.:32:58.

Tracey, and why they decided to do it, who did it and whether this is a

:32:59.:33:02.

new approach to finding wanted people. They haven't got back to me

:33:03.:33:07.

yet, we don't know whether Tracey has got in touch or not. Their

:33:08.:33:12.

police colleagues in Lewisham said, we think you are a friendly bunch as

:33:13.:33:16.

well, I hope Tracey returns your call soon. Thank you. A team of

:33:17.:33:26.

British doctors have travelled to the Syria- Turkey border.

:33:27.:33:34.

Aid workers plan to use the equipment to set up a children's

:33:35.:33:37.

Rola Hallam did a video blog of the journey,

:33:38.:33:40.

she arrived at the border on 23rd December.

:33:41.:33:42.

My first thought right now is of this freezing cold weather

:33:43.:33:48.

and of how many people are homeless, displaced, and refugees.

:33:49.:34:19.

We had a bit of delay yesterday with the truck held up

:34:20.:34:23.

We're back on the move, the team is an amazing spirits,

:34:24.:34:28.

and I look forward to keeping you updated as we go along.

:34:29.:34:55.

We have covered about 850 miles so far and we've got

:34:56.:34:58.

We're progressing really, really well.

:34:59.:35:03.

Our truck is a little while behind us because they have to go a bit

:35:04.:35:07.

slower and have a bit more rest due to regulations.

:35:08.:35:18.

So we're making our way through Bulgaria, we're a bit behind

:35:19.:35:34.

schedule and we've just been told the border ahead is maybe closed

:35:35.:35:36.

and there's a few hours waiting because there are lots of trucks

:35:37.:35:39.

Great news, the convoy has just made it into Turkey!

:35:40.:35:54.

The guard thought that Paul was Iranian and asked him

:35:55.:36:03.

for all forms of ID to actually prove he was indeed a Scouser.

:36:04.:36:17.

We've been on the road for about four hours and we've hit

:36:18.:36:21.

a massive snowstorm, and we've been told

:36:22.:36:22.

We're really not sure about how well we're going to be able

:36:23.:36:29.

The people's convoy arrived safely, powered by your love and support

:36:30.:36:55.

It was a really emotional, beautiful union with the independent

:36:56.:37:07.

They are going to call the hospital Hope Hospital.

:37:08.:37:12.

Since 2008, London has lost 50% of its nightclubs and 40%

:37:13.:37:29.

of its live music venues, despite Night Time industries being

:37:30.:37:31.

Fabric nightclub, one the most iconic venues in the capital,

:37:32.:37:35.

was stripped of its licence and forced to close in September

:37:36.:37:39.

after the drug-related deaths of two 18-year-olds.

:37:40.:37:46.

Many saw it as an attack on dance culture, and the club

:37:47.:37:49.

started a campaign that raised over ?300,000.

:37:50.:37:51.

This weekend, the club will reopen, after Islington council agreed

:37:52.:37:53.

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has welcomed the decision,

:37:54.:37:58.

and said he and his newly appointed "night czar", Amy Lame, were working

:37:59.:38:02.

New conditions mean the venue will refuse entry to under-19s,

:38:03.:38:06.

and will have tougher security measures to clamp down on drugs.

:38:07.:38:12.

Let's talk now to Philip Kolvin, the barrister who helped Fabric

:38:13.:38:15.

to strike an agreement with Islington council.

:38:16.:38:17.

Since then, London Mayor Sadiq Khan has appointed him as Chairman

:38:18.:38:21.

Alan Miller from the Night Time Industries Association campaigns

:38:22.:38:30.

to make sure the night industry across the country is

:38:31.:38:33.

Also joining us is American techno DJ and producer Seth Troxler,

:38:34.:38:39.

who donated ?4,000 to the campaign to keep the club open.

:38:40.:38:41.

He'll be headlining the Fabric reunion night on Saturday.

:38:42.:38:49.

Thank you for joining us. Tell us more about what the case was for

:38:50.:38:55.

reopening. It lost its licence because it breach it. The process

:38:56.:39:02.

was one of dialogue within Clinton Council. It's really important to

:39:03.:39:07.

say this. Although the Islington revoked the licence it was

:39:08.:39:10.

immediately prepared to enter into a good dialogue as to what

:39:11.:39:14.

professionally could be done to make clubbers safer in Fabric. But

:39:15.:39:19.

involved better security at the door, and enhanced security

:39:20.:39:24.

provision inside, and also better welfare facilities. So if somebody

:39:25.:39:27.

is feeling poorly they are identified and dealt with

:39:28.:39:29.

straightaway. All of that was dealt with through a number of technical

:39:30.:39:33.

discussions which led to a tripartite agreement between Fabric,

:39:34.:39:41.

the council and the police. What does this mean going forward? Does

:39:42.:39:45.

this set a precedent and indicate there is always the way back? I

:39:46.:39:49.

always believe there is a way back. I think closure of a nightclub

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should always be a last resort. Nobody closes factory when there's

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an accident, nobody closes an outline when there's an accident. If

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something goes wrong, it's important the parties sit down together early

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and work out what the best way forward is. One of the best things

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about the night-time commission is we are going to try to make sure

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that is the first port of call to get the parties sitting down and

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talking, before it comes to closure. There's probably no other club in

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the country that could have mustered resource and support that Fabric

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mustard to keep themselves open. 7000 people helped fund their

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campaign stay open. Otherwise it would have been gone. In the end can

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any club ever guarantee it's going to keep drugs out and people save?

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It's like life. It's like our prisons. During the hearing it said

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Pentonville had a better record than Fabric. But that isn't the case.

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Drugs are quite ubiquitous in society. I don't think it's fair or

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legitimate to ask my clubs, bars or cafes to somehow be different to the

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rest of society. But they operate under licence. They do indeed but

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when they've done the measures in terms of security and checks, what

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we find is increasingly they are being asked to do more things. More

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and more conditions are imposed on them. Not everyone has the same

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approach. When we have an incident, the question could be asked, how did

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the drugs get to the club in the first place? I think it's a

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conversation for people in Britain. People do take drugs, how do we want

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to solve that as a society. Not just say we have a knee jerk reaction to

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clubs and bars. This club is reopening on the basis of promoting

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zero tolerance of drugs. In the end is any club going to be completely

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zero tolerant of drugs? No one in Britain is allowed to say that they

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can't do that, that somehow there is this thing in society that people

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are doing, because then they will be penalised for encouraging it.

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Although there are some good examples... Are you saying the

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practice isn't going to match up to the rhetoric? Fabric had a gold

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standard, now it is a platinum standard. They have a amazing due

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diligence and professionalism. In the last year or two, things like

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harm reduction and drug testing have been worked on with certain police

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forces. In places like Switzerland you've got on the spot drug testing

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where 1 million people go to a festival where there are no

:42:36.:42:38.

fatalities. If it's about public health and safety, we need to have a

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grown-up conversation about mitigating problems. And not just

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saying if drugs are found inside or outside a club, that we have a knee

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jerk reaction to close at. Are drugs an integral part of clubbing

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culture? I did think so. Drugs are a social problem. You were talking

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about hundreds of millions of dollars on drugs coming through the

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Royal Mail. This isn't only a club problem. If you look at pop culture,

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drugs are littered throughout culture. The idea that dance music

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culture is to blame is ridiculous. Right now we are celebrating... It's

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about how much drugs are in clubs, when they are operating under

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licence... Drugs are in bars, casinos, concerts... A lot of people

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go out to celebrate life. Fabric, like other clubs, there is a club in

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Berlin which was given the highest approval of high culture. It's the

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only club that gone back and forth between Fabric of being the number

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one club in the world. In Germany they consider it the number one

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source of culture. Yes there are drug deaths there. There are drug

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deaths on the street right now in London because of the heroin

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epidemic. But no one is talking about that. This is a story where

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the council was trying to gentrify the neighbourhood, and using Fabric

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as an example for their greater wealth. There are deaths all the

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time, it is not to trivialise them, but on our motorways and beaches, we

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see all sorts of problems occur in various walks of life. We work out

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how to mitigate, resolve all emit them together. We don't say we are

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just going to shut down the airport or closed shopping centre when there

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is a mugging or a stabbing. When it comes to bars and clubs, the notion

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that they are responsible for all personal behaviour, not only is that

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unrealistic but it also takes away the autonomy of our citizens. The

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notion that under English law you are responsible for your own

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conduct. We have to say, how can we make our cities truly creative and

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dynamic together by working in partnership? What happens if there

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is another drug step that Fabric? You cannot guarantee there will

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never be a drug death in a club, Street, Park or anywhere else. What

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we want to see from clubs is that they are using due diligence,

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operating best practice, being honest and straightforward and

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transparent with your parities. I hope that one of the things that we

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are going to be able to do in the night-time commission is to explain

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and express good practice for all licensed premises. If they are

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operating under Best practice and a tragedy occurs, then of course they

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shouldn't be shut down. Thank you. Let us know your thoughts on that.

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A short time ago I spoke to former EastEnders actor Nitin Ganatra,

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who starred alongside Om Puri in the BBC's adaption

:45:34.:45:35.

He told us how the actor inspired him as a child.

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It was a rare occasion when my family went to see a British film in

:45:48.:45:55.

the Midlands. It was Richard Attenborough's Gandhi. As a

:45:56.:46:00.

teenager, I had to sit through the lecture of India's history. Then a

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scene in the film which was astonishing. A tiny scene, it was a

:46:06.:46:13.

cameo and it had such a huge impact on me. I have never forgotten it.

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Years later it turned out to be Om Puri, when I did my research. Of

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course, after that, I had the honour of working with him twice on

:46:25.:46:30.

projects. I did tell him that story. What was it about that moment and

:46:31.:46:35.

about him that connected with you as a 13-year-old boy? It is very

:46:36.:46:42.

profound, the memory of that experience, watching an actor

:46:43.:46:48.

storming into a scene. It was so powerful, so full of energy and so

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truthful, I had never seen anything like it. It has stuck with me. I

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think it had such a profound effect, it had a big influence on what I

:46:59.:47:03.

wanted to achieve as an actor. When you came to meet him and act

:47:04.:47:06.

alongside him, you told him about that story, what was he like? He was

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great. Om Puri, he has a very angry resting face. But when he breaks out

:47:14.:47:20.

into a smile, the room lights up. And he was a very gentle man and

:47:21.:47:26.

full of humour. Completely took me under his wing. I loved working with

:47:27.:47:32.

him. We live side-by-side, working as equals. His only regret with me

:47:33.:47:37.

was that I wasn't Punjabi enough for him. I remember one day on set, I

:47:38.:47:42.

said I fancied a particular Indian dish. His wife had just come over

:47:43.:47:48.

from India and Cork. There it was the next day, he said my wife cooked

:47:49.:47:54.

the year. He was very lovely, he made every experience like a family

:47:55.:47:58.

gathering of eat, drink and work and be happy. A couple of weeks ago he

:47:59.:48:03.

tweeted about his life and career and said I have no regrets. I have

:48:04.:48:08.

done quite well for myself, I didn't have a conventional face, but I have

:48:09.:48:12.

done well and I am proud of it. How would you sum up his achievements?

:48:13.:48:22.

Absolutely, absolutely. Hollywood and bollywood have a particular

:48:23.:48:28.

look, handsome looking with a great set of teach. Om Puri broke that

:48:29.:48:34.

mould because he wasn't your archetypal heart-throb. His career

:48:35.:48:38.

was huge. He has done hundreds of films. But he has brought truth to

:48:39.:48:43.

what could be a very shallow industry and he has bought a

:48:44.:48:48.

gravitas nobody can match. It was a great honour for me to work with

:48:49.:48:54.

him. He's also one of guys who has managed to work in Britain, he has

:48:55.:48:58.

worked in Hollywood alongside Tom Hanks and Helen Mirren, as you

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showed. But that all boils down to the truth and power of his acting.

:49:03.:49:08.

In the last few minutes, the winner of the BBC's Sound

:49:09.:49:10.

This year number one is... Ray black. Ray black. She is amazing.

:49:11.:49:29.

Ray black. That is Ray Black -

:49:30.:49:37.

an R'n'B soul singer who has topped the BBC's Sound of 2017 list,

:49:38.:49:40.

which highlights the most exciting Ray was chosen by more

:49:41.:49:43.

than a hundred DJs, journalists, festival bookers,

:49:44.:49:47.

bloggers and critics. Their track record is good -

:49:48.:49:48.

having previously spotted the likes We will speak to Ray in just

:49:49.:49:51.

a moment, but before that let's have a look back at some

:49:52.:49:56.

of the artists who've # Should I give up, or should I just

:49:57.:49:58.

keep chasing pavements? # Everybody's starry-eyed,

:49:59.:50:28.

and everybody goes. # Everybody's starry-eyed,

:50:29.:50:37.

and my body goes...#. # Flyin' flyin' flyin'

:50:38.:50:49.

flyin' through the sky. # In my spaceship, I'm

:50:50.:51:00.

an alien tonight...#. Withers is the winner, Ray Black. We

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also have some on from the BBC music live team. Congratulations. You have

:51:36.:51:38.

been following in the footsteps of some very successful people? How

:51:39.:51:42.

does it feel less remarked it feels incredible. How did you react when

:51:43.:51:53.

you knew you had one? I screamed, jumped for joy, it was amazing. Like

:51:54.:51:57.

the most shocking news I have ever got. Is it spotting talent for the

:51:58.:52:02.

future, a lot of people watching won't be familiar with your music,

:52:03.:52:07.

tell us about your music and what your inspirations are? I grew up in

:52:08.:52:12.

the church, started in the Gospel choir and joined the adult choir at

:52:13.:52:17.

about 11 or 12. I had always written songs from about seven years old up

:52:18.:52:24.

until now. From seven? From seven, they weren't that good! But they are

:52:25.:52:31.

better now. I got into soul music. Let's have a listen, this is chill

:52:32.:52:41.

out? Yes. # The only one you when you are

:52:42.:52:54.

lonely on a late nights, on Friday. # I don't get what you feel, no.

:52:55.:53:03.

# You are making a big deal of nothing.

:53:04.:53:08.

# You should chill. # Don't say you were misled.

:53:09.:53:21.

# You hurt me with the sled. # You are making a big deal, I think

:53:22.:53:28.

you should chill. # I know you thought that you and me

:53:29.:53:35.

were onto something. # But I had no plans of loving you.

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# Wanting the music and striking videos, tell us more about the video

:53:48.:53:50.

message you are trying to get across? My music in general is about

:53:51.:53:58.

empowerment, this song, I wrote to empower women to live life as they

:53:59.:54:03.

once. There are so many pressures from society on women on how we

:54:04.:54:09.

should behave and they are all based on male privilege and then I made

:54:10.:54:14.

this video in Jamaica and alongside it because I felt like it was a

:54:15.:54:18.

topic that Spotlight needed to be on. The amazing women in these video

:54:19.:54:26.

our challenge to the men who live in Jamaica. They are ostracised from

:54:27.:54:31.

the community, attacked on a daily basis and it is something that not a

:54:32.:54:37.

lot of people speak about. They are not given a lot of support. Now we

:54:38.:54:44.

are trying to raise money to get them to save housing. Kevin, we're

:54:45.:54:49.

looking before at the long list of names that have gone before, tell us

:54:50.:54:54.

about the people picking this particular ward and how it is they

:54:55.:55:00.

have got such a good track record? This list has been going since 2003.

:55:01.:55:11.

The first winner was at the time, a little-known Rapper called 50 cents

:55:12.:55:15.

from New York. We saw what he went on to. Sam Smith, Adele, obviously.

:55:16.:55:28.

For the first time, the poll was open for people outside the UK. You

:55:29.:55:32.

mentioned DJs, music bloggers, critics, 170 of them across the

:55:33.:55:38.

world. Each one of them puts forward three names of an artist that they

:55:39.:55:43.

think is likely to break through the following year. Then, obviously

:55:44.:55:49.

those names are collated and we have a long list initially of 15 and then

:55:50.:55:56.

it is whittled down to five. But there is some fantastic names being

:55:57.:56:03.

picked out. You have done very well, having you. That whole process seems

:56:04.:56:07.

quite daunting and you got through all of that. What success looks

:56:08.:56:16.

like, you don't have a record label, do you want to be signed? Or is it a

:56:17.:56:23.

deliberate decision? I have decided to stay signed for now. I don't know

:56:24.:56:27.

what the future will hold. I am still growing, growing as an artist

:56:28.:56:33.

and what path I want to take. I feel like I need to have my autonomy by

:56:34.:56:39.

now. Until I am prepared to be assisted by a label. That might

:56:40.:56:43.

never be the case, but for now I have decided to stay on my own. What

:56:44.:56:48.

are the chances of someone having masses of success without being

:56:49.:56:54.

signed? The great thing of the Internet, it has democratised music

:56:55.:56:58.

and young artists no longer feel the pressure they have to go and be

:56:59.:57:04.

signed by a major label. Perhaps to get the extra push, promotion early

:57:05.:57:09.

there is the need for having the large body behind you with the great

:57:10.:57:14.

wealth of money that comes with that. But the great thing is, the

:57:15.:57:19.

young artists now can create music and upload it to numerous websites

:57:20.:57:24.

and get the music out there. When it comes to touring the music, it is a

:57:25.:57:30.

very expensive thing to do. That is when a major label can help out with

:57:31.:57:35.

that kind of thing. But artists have seen great success, sculptor who won

:57:36.:57:42.

the Mercury music prize last year. An independent artist who does

:57:43.:57:45.

everything on his own and is touring up and down the country. He is an

:57:46.:57:49.

example for young artists, you can go out and do this on your own. How

:57:50.:57:56.

much of it has been hard work the? Most of it. I won't lie, it is a

:57:57.:58:04.

difficult road to those who are unsiged. Like Kevin mentioned, there

:58:05.:58:11.

isn't a huge budget behind you to support you, but the Internet is an

:58:12.:58:15.

amazing tool. It is what has been the driving force so far and other

:58:16.:58:23.

artists and I believe the Internet will continue to push me.

:58:24.:58:29.

Congratulations. Thank you. For more information on that, you can go to

:58:30.:58:31.

the BBC News website. With previous winners

:58:32.:58:34.

including Adele and Sam Smith, see who we're tipping

:58:35.:58:39.

to be this year's hottest acts.

:58:40.:58:43.