05/01/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello - it's Thursday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

Our top story today - warnings children are being left

to "fend for themselves" online - with parents vainly hoping

I'm the Children's Commissioner and we will be looking at how we give

children resilience, honest information and the power to

flourish online. If you identify with that -

do get in touch. We'll talk to a group

of schoolchildren Also on the programme -

the men who massacre We'll hear from some of those

who survived the attacks. It is really hard. Those are the

things I have to live with now. Even though it has been 14 years, I have

bad dreams and all of the things that you have experienced...

And - could where you live affect your chances of getting dementia?

Researchers say people who live near major roads may have a greater

Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

We will bring you breaking news and developing stories, and we will

examine the deaths of two rough sleepers in one town in the UK over

Christmas week. Do get in touch on all the stories

we're talking about this morning - use #VictoriaLIVE and if you text,

you will be charged We would really like your input on

this... The Children's Commissioner

for England has warned that young people are left to face the dangers

of bullying and grooming Anne Longfield says children -

and often their parents - have no idea what they are signing

up to on social media sites and pupils as young as four should

be taught about internet Our Education Correspondent Gillian

Hargreaves has more. Digital technology can

enrich children's minds, Millions of youngsters have joined

social media sites to keep in touch with friends,

but many of those questioned by the commissioner have little idea

of what they're signing up to. With pages of terms and conditions,

it seems few realise The Children's Commissioner calls

for the appointment of a digital ombudsman to mediate

between children and social media She also recommends there should be

mandatory digital citizenship courses in schools and new privacy

laws to protect children's What no-one has done yet is to look

at how we design and intervene with a digital world in a way that

can really give children the support they need for the place they spend

an awful lot of time, but also the information

and the power to be able to get While Instagram, Facebook

and Twitter recommend that their services are most

suitable for children over the age of 13, younger children can

circumvent the rules As a mum, dad or grandparent, are

you worried about this with your kids or grandchildren? Let me know,

how do you police it and make sure that they are safe online? We will

speak to this group of primary school pupils and secondary school

pupils and the Children's Commissioner for England. Good

morning. They are here to give their views and whether it is something

they worry about Wednesday tick the "I agree" on the terms and

conditions. -- Wednesday. Annita is in the BBC

Newsroom with a summary People who live near main roads may

be at greater risk of dementia, according to a decade-long study

by scientists in Canada. The medical causes of the brain

disease have yet to be identified but the research suggests air

pollution and noisy traffic could be Memories lost, thoughts confused,

personalities gradually fading. Dementia affects 850,000

people in the UK. Now there's a claim it

could be linked to traffic. This study from Canada shows that

people living close to busy roads had higher chances

of developing dementia. Researchers in Ontario followed

more than two million The ones who lived within 50 metres

of heavy traffic had a 12% higher risk of dementia than those more

than 200 metres away. So what is it that's actually

affecting the brain? Ultra-fine particles,

the very smallest ones, can actually move across the lungs

into the bloodstream How those particles work,

a bit speculative, but one hypothesis is fairly nonspecific

effects on inflammation So we have a potential mechanism

but it's far from proven. Experts here have cautiously

welcomed the results They've stressed it shows

an association, not a cause. They've pointed out dementia

is also affected by age, But they are encouraging further

research into the impact The appointment of Sir Tim Barrow

as the UK's new ambassador to the European Union has

been welcomed by almost He replaces Sir Ivan Rogers,

who resigned on Tuesday after complaining of muddle

and confusion in the The government says the UK's

new ambassador in Brussels is a "seasoned and tough

negotiator". Immigrants should be expected

to learn English before coming to Britain, or attend language

classes when they arrive. The All Party Parliamentary Group

on social integration also wants the Government to consider giving

the UK's nations and regions the power to control

the number of visas issued. Here's our home affairs

correspondent, Danny Shaw. Over the past decade,

the scale of immigration to Britain has been unprecedented,

sparking debate about whether the numbers should be

reduced and if so, how? But this report from MPs and peers

says there should be more focus on what happens

after immigrants arrive. It says many immigrant communities

and people already settled here lead parallel lives and it calls

on the government to address what it The report makes a number

of recommendations. It says all immigrants should learn

English before coming to the UK or enrol in classes

when they're here. It calls for courses to teach

immigrants about British culture and the report says that government

should give immigrants guidance on the costs and benefits of UK

citizenship and consider cutting A lack of integration for newcomers

leads to them not having access to the same opportunities,

it can lead to an increase in All the things that make living

in England and Britain You cannot enjoy what this

country has to offer Another idea in the report

is for immigration policy to be devolved to Britain's

nations and regions. They'd be able to allocate visas

according to local need. The report says that might instil

confidence among members of the public that the immigration

system works for their area. The Home Office says it is not

planning to introduce local visa arrangements but the department says

it has made funding available Four people have been arrested

in the American city of Chicago over a video live-streamed

on Facebook, in which a bound Police say the man being

assaulted has special needs. His assailants can be heard making

derogatory statements The man, who police say

was acquainted with one of his attackers, has now been

released from hospital. A record number of new cars

were bought in the UK in 2016 - according to the Society

of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Sales hit 2.69 million -

that's up more than two per cent However, the industry expects

to sell fewer new cars this year. Handwritten letters

from Princess Diana are due to be Written to a steward

at Buckingham Palace, they reveal that a young

Prince Harry was routinely In one letter dated 17th October,

1992, she says how both young princes "are well and enjoying

boarding school a lot, although The collection will be sold over

approximately 40 lots - with estimates ranging

from ?80 to ?900. The auction also includes

letters from the Queen, written on Windsor Castle headed

paper. A former Crewe Alexandra coach

has denied wrongdoing after being suspended

by the FA's safeguarding panel. Paul McCann worked with young

players at the club He was working with the then-manager

Dario Gradi, who is now He also later volunteered as a youth

coach at non-league club AFC Nearly 5,000 contestants have taken

part in an annual Japanese The competition requires

participants to write phrases or poems of increasing complexity

with a traditional brush and black Those taking part,

aged from three to 93, were judged on the beauty

of their strokes and The winners will be announced

at a separate ceremony in February. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 9.30am. Thank you, later in the programme we

will be talking about final artwork like this... And, oh good, we have

the human league in there -- vinyl. We will be talking to those hoping

to make their own masterpieces in 2017.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

use the hashtag #VictoriaLive and if you text, you will be charged

Let's get some sport with John Watson.

It is really interesting at the top of the Premier League, isn't it?

Yes, halting up after a huge result potentially in the title race last

night. Chelsea were hoping to go on a record 14 matches, by winning the

14 in a row but was stopped last night by Tottenham, they were simply

superb at White Hart Lane, beating Chelsea 2-0. 20-year-old Dele Alli

scored two headers so Chelsea were defeated for the first time since

September. Man of the moment last night, seven goals in four matches

for Dele Alli, an incredible run of form for Tottenham who have won five

consecutive matches in a row. Let's hear from the goal-scorer who got

two last night, Dele Alli himself. There is no need to talk before the

game, everybody knew how big it was, you could see from the first whistle

how badly the fans wanted it. It is aways nice to score but more

important that we got that win today. Yes, that means Tottenham are

now in third position, not a complete disaster for Chelsea, five

points clear at the top of the table and their manager Antonio Conte is

slightly disappointed they did not manage to match that record but he

knows his team are well placed in the title race at the moment... It

is a pity, but it is important to know that this can happen. It is

important to continue to work very hard, and try and improve every day.

Chelsea's winning run is over but Sir Andy Murray... It is not? He is

flying at the moment, his winning run is continuing, 26 competitive

matches in a row for him, and he has managed to continue his run at the

Qatar Open, he was made to work hard against his competitor, he was

sweating on the court, taken to a tie-break, but he came through 7-6,

taking the second set 7-5. This is a big year for him, world number one

and he would like to preserve that status and he wants to go through

and win the Australian Open at the end of January. Johanna Konta is

flying at the moment, she reached the semifinals of the Australian

open last year, and she is one match away from what would be a third WTA

final for her, she came through in her match in the quarterfinals of

the shins and Open in China, world number ten and she wants to go and

match those achievements of last year. It would be great if she can

surpass that. And Kadeena Cox has responded to criticism that she is

taking part in the reality ski show on Channel 4, The Jump, where nearly

every competitor is injured? Yes, Kadeena Cox was one of the stars of

the Paralympic games in Rio, winning gold in cycling and athletics but

after the Paralympic Games she has decided she wants to go on the show

The Jump, and why not? She would like to build on success from the

summer, she describes her life as "A ticking time bomb", she says that

her diagnosis of MS has changed her outlook on life and you would like

to learn how to ski, why not? For the organisers, UK Sport, she has

had her funding cut while she competes on the show, but it is

looking good. She does not have any cycling events this year, she will

be expected to take part in events in July, but she can compete on the

show, but fingers crossed you does not get injured. It sounds like she

would like to say yes to all opportunities, and who can blame

her? John, thank you. This morning - the men

who murder their own families. And before you ask -

in 95% of cases it is men. So what causes them to carry out

acts of such unspeakable brutality? Leading experts have told this

programme we should be doing more to spot warning signs and patterns

of behaviour - things like physical abuse,

a loss of control and terrifying threats - which should be

triggering concern and action. But what about the families who this

advice is too late for? Our reporter James Longman has been

to meet some of the people whose lives have been destroyed

by these kind of attacks. They talk openly and honestly

about what they've been through - you might find some

of the details upsetting. One of the nightmares I have regular

is when I'm on a field, and I can and I can see the car,

and I can hear them calling, mummy, mummy, please help us, mummy,

and all I can see is a knife, a knife going up and down in the car

as he is killing the boys. They went and bought two litres

of petrol and poured it all over the house,

all over the floor, over the sofas They put him into an induced coma

at this point to hold his body deal He had wires and tubes

and things coming out There is a domestic incident

in the UK every three days. It's mostly men who

attacked their families. Why are they so violent,

and what other warning signs? We've been to meet some

of the people whose lives and families were destroyed by these

sorts of attacks, and the author of one of UK's biggest studies

of domestic homicide, who tries to explain

why they happen. That particular night,

I wore a red dress, and just bizarrely Chris de Burgh,

Lady in Red, was on. He asked me to dance, and I danced,

he treated me like a princess, Denise Williams met her ex-husband

Stephen Wilson when she was 16. Six months in, and he's starting

to show his true colours, but he knew I had nowhere to go,

no one to run to. He'd call me all the different

names under the sun, he'd verbally abuse me,

mentally abuse me, physically Brett was born in 1993,

and Bradley the following year. They had dark eyes, beautiful brown

locks in their hair. How much happiness they brought me,

even though I was living a horrible life of abuse and putting up

with drunken outbursts, just having the children

seemed to make it all OK. Denise took her sons and left

Stephen several times. She lived for the last

time in every 2002. She lived for the last

time in February 2002. She didn't take Brett and Bradley

with her that time but was planning They all met up at a restaurant

a few days later. Tell me what happened the last time

that you tried to leave. As I turned to get out the car,

he pulled me, he pulled my hair and pulled me into his lap

in the car, and he started punching So me panicking managed

to find my horn of the car, and I managed to keep my hand

on the horn of the car, and I found the handle on the car door,

which I pushed open, and he panicked when I was blowing

the horn on the car, And then he drove off,

and that was the last I caught the tram back

to my friend's house, He rang me, and he said I have just

killed the kids and I'm And at that, you think,

listen for the boys, listen for the boys in the background,

can you hear them? And I remember them coming in,

the Sergeant of the station, and he said, Denise,

we found the boys, In the corner of this room

was a big box of toys, and I'm going, go and fetch

them, go and fetch them so they can play with the toys,

and he just knelt on the floor, and he said to me,

Denise, they're dead. and he said to me,

"Denise, they're dead". Stephen murdered his two sons

by stabbing them in their necks. First he killed their youngest son,

Bradley, who was seven years old, I remember going and just seeing

the children through a glass, like they're in a fish tank,

and I identified the bodies. And those are the things that

I have to live with now, even though it's been 14 years,

you still have the things and bad dreams that

you've experienced. Stephen Wilson was given two life

sentences for their murders. Jane Monkton-Smith is

a criminologist at the University She is currently leading one

of the biggest studies Over 95% of cases, it will be a man,

and it will usually be One of the shocking things

about this is that they are nearly always, if not always,

planned, and there can be quite and they are usually incredibly

violent. Denise's story shows a cycle

of abuse ending in tragedy, but what about when the very

children targeted David Potts attacked

his partner's family, Somebody broke

through the back door. But before they did that,

they went and bought two litres of petrol,

and poured it all over the house, on the floor, over the sofas and up

the stairs and everywhere, And then my mum and eldest brother

went to try and stop him but he just lit the fuel just in time,

and them three there died. Then my sister was calling

the police and the fire, I think, and I was still asleep,

and by the time they arrived, they charged through,

saving me and my sister. Zack was four years old when his

mum's new partner broke into the family home

and set it on fire. Zack survived, along

with his half sister Kay-Lynn, His mum, Tracy, and 15-year-old half

brother, Sean, were killed. Zack's dad Rick remembers

the night of the fire. All control went, what went

through my head was, what's happened, what sort of state

is he in, is he going to survive? Same with the others,

Kay-Lynn and Sean and Tracy. Zack was taken to a children's

hospital for treatment. Heartbreaking,

absolutely heartbreaking. He had wires and tubes

and things coming out They'd put him into an enduced coma

at this point to help his body deal with the shock and the burns

as best as possible. About 20% burns, mainly to his arms,

up to about T-shirt length. And you've got to cover

your arms in this cream? When I found out who died,

I was crying, and when I think Zack is now nine and

living with his dad. He loves football, especially

Manchester United, but the scars Not mean things, but just, like,

if somebody's never seen me before, And then I would either describe,

or just ignore them. And then, like, two minutes

later, they'll say, And then that's what makes me

think about it, and then What do we do, when you're

feeling emotional about it? I think there was a point

she said her phone was taken off her in the evening,

you know, he was allowed out, but she wasn't,

from what I could gather. Just alarm bells there,

you know, controlling. In her research, Jane has

found trends linking One of the things is the killer's

need to control everything And quite often a personality

disorder, so very, very self-focused, sees everything

in the world as it applies to them, rather than being sensitive

to the needs of others. Very often a lack of remorse,

which could be because they have a personality disorder,

but it could be a kind of self-protecting denial

of what they've done. But in a lot of these cases,

men will try to commit suicide. I had a phone call on Mother's Day,

and they said to me, "I don't know if it is good news

or bad news, Denise, but he has hung himself in prison.

He's dead." And very, very angry,

the fact that he hadn't got to live with this,

and I was the one left behind, having to cope,

having to learn to cope, To avenge me, because he lost power

over me, he lost the control I think he knew he would lose

the boys if they came to me. I think he realised the boys

would not go back to him. And so if he couldn't have them,

he made sure I couldn't Jane has looked at over 300 cases

of domestic homicide and believes There are very complex reasons

for this, but sometimes children are deliberately focused on,

and sometimes they are And I think that sometimes

men are losing a sense of who they're supposed to be now,

because society has changed so much for them, and I don't

think their roles are necessarily They didn't just snap,

these things are more often than not planned,

and to say that he just snapped makes it sound like there

are not things that can be done to predict this,

but there is. I would like think of what it

would be like if my mum was around, and what house I would be in,

either the same house Yes, you think about

the practicalities a lot, don't you? You miss having your

mum around, don't you? It would be nice to

have mum here as well. Like, somebody to, an extra

person to accompany me. So all of this has

made you two stronger? Do you think it has

made us stronger? Denise has managed to move

forward with her life. She is now married

and has three children. Going all the way back

to the beginning when you met him, in that red dress in the working

men's club, do you If I turned back the clock

and I didn't meet him, I would not have had the seven

and eight years that The children may have died,

but their memory is never Thank you for your messages as he

watched that. Hannah on Facebook said thank goodness I got away from

a violent abuser to protect my son and myself, a decade ago, that could

have been us. Sadly others have had a taste of it before and since and

agencies meant to help and protect it didn't and still haven't. Let's

hope this changes in the future for the better. LJ says these are tragic

stories, it's a lot to expose children to. Clarence on Twitter

says it is heartbreaking regarding domestic, side, kudos for

identifying it as a problem of male violence. Thank you for those. Get

in touch if you want to. And to watch that film

again and share it - you can head to our programme page

bbc.co.uk/victoria. In the next hour we will be speaking

to Dr Monckton-Smith, a leading criminologist in domestic

homicide, to find out more about why people are driven to commit

such horrendous crimes A private memorial service

is to take place later today for the American acting icons

Carrie Fisher and her mother Debbie Reynolds - that comes ahead

of a new documentary We'll have more in

the next half hour. A new report says children

are being left to 'fend for themselves' online -

we'll be speaking to a group of schoolchildren

about their own experiences. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. A study has warned that children

are being left to "fend for themselves" in the digital world

- against dangers such The Children's Commissioner

for England, Anne Longfield, says many children and parents

are often unaware that personal information and content posted

on social media sites can be sold Researchers in Canada have found

that people living near major roads appear more likely

to develop dementia. They tracked more than two million

people in Ontario for signs of the brain disease over

the course of 11 years. The scientists suggested air

pollution or noisy traffic could contribute to the brain's

decline. Migrants should be expected to learn

English before coming to the UK, or attend language classes

when they arrive, according The cross-party group said speaking

English was "the key to full participation

in our society and economy". They also said ministers

should consider letting different parts of the UK

set their own immigration policy. The government said it was spending

?20 million on English A record number of new cars

were bought in the UK in 2016 - according to the Society

of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. That's up more than 2%

on the previous year. However, there's a warning that

with fleet and private sales now falling, the figures are unlikely

to be so strong in 2017. This programme has learnt that

a former Crewe Alexandra coach has denied wrongdoing

after being suspended Paul McCann worked with young

players at the club He was working with the then-manager

Dario Gradi, who is now He also later volunteered as a youth

coach at non-league club AFC Handwritten letters

from Princess Diana are due to be Written to a steward

at Buckingham Palace, they reveal that a young

Prince Harry was routinely In one letter she wrote -

"William adores his little brother and spends the entire time swamping

Harry with an endless supply of hugs and kisses,

hardly letting the parents near!" The collection will be sold over

approximately 40 lots - with estimates ranging

from ?80 to ?900. The auction also includes letters

from the Queen, written That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.00am. John Watson is here with the sport.

Good morning. Tottenham prevented Chelsea from matching the longest

consecutive winning run in Premier League history as the blues were

beaten 2-0 at White Hart Lane last night to throw open the title race.

Dele Alli got both goals with two headers, Chelsea remain five points

clear at the top and Tottenham are interred. Andy Murray's winning run

continues, extending his consecutive winning run. He is into the

quarterfinals after a tough straight sets win over Australian Gerald

Melzer as he prepares for the Australian open later this month.

The world number one is yet to win one of these titles. Johanna Konta's

good run of form continues, one win away from reaching her third WTA

final, she beat her competitor Kristyna Pliskova in the finals of

the Shenzhen Open in China. That's all of the sport now, more in the

next update at ten o'clock. Children are being left

by their parents to 'fend for themselves' online according

to the Children's In a report today, Anne Longfield

says parents 'vainly hope' their kids will benefit

from the internet's opportunities She also says it's 'wholly

irresponsible' to let children and young teeenagers 'roam

in a world for which Last year, 3-4 year olds spent

on average eight hours 18 minutes a week online, and 12-15 year

olds spend over 20 hours And there's a warning too that

youngsters have no idea they often sign away their privacy

when they join social media sites - rules in Instagram's terms

and conditions for example, allow youngsters' messages amd

pictures to be bought and sold by the web companies who can then

target them for advertising. The Children's Commissioner

is calling for simplified terms and conditions and compulsary

digital citizenship Your own experiences are welcome and

how you manage to make sure that your job and are safe online, let us

know. Anne Longfield is here along

with various primary From Whitefield School -

Guy is in Year ten, Beth is in Year ten,

Zara is in Year nine, Shinia is in Year 11 - they're

here with their teacher Darren Also here from Tetherdown Primary

School are Year 5s Eli, Catrin, Safia and Matteo

and his mum Katherine. Thank you for coming onto the

programme. A general question, raise your hands, if it is like being at

school, I am sorry, who here has Snapchat? How old are you? I am ten.

Did you know that you had to be 13 to have it? Yes. That's interesting!

Who has Facebook, Instagram? Twitter? Again, you are meant to be

13 for Instagram, and twitter... When you go online, are you

concerned about anything, or are you just having a great time playing

games or speaking to your friends? There is nothing that concerns you

in terms of your safety? I keep all of my accounts private, unless I

would like somebody to see it, then I keep it private. Mine is Private,

I know what I put. Beth, you are the same? Everything is Private? And you

only have one account. Not two? They always advertise it looking very

safe, and having features of private accounts on Instagram, so it makes

it look safe, so yes. Do you think that you are unusual in keeping all

of your accounts private? No. A lot of people do it. All of my friends

have all of their stuff Private. OK, and what are your worries, Anne, as

Children's Commissioner. Firstly, the Internet is a force of good,

while we talk about protection it is also about empowering children to

get the most out of it. But it was not designed for children and over

the last five or six years, it's become a big issue, one third of

users are children. And in the clip as you said, children are

ill-prepared and do not have knowledge about how the Internet

works or the social rules that could be online. Often they do not have

the information, especially regarding privacy and terms and

conditions will rule that, they are largely unfathomable. They do not

have the back-up to do something about if something goes wrong.

Really, the balance of power is very much geared away from children on

the Internet, and we know that half of children's leisure time, for

teenagers, it's online. It is out of sync with their physical world and

needs to change in terms of improving their rights. Is there

anything that Anne Longfield has said which worries you? I do not get

the impression that you are worried at all! I am slowly concerned, we

feel so safe in what we are doing online and we know that it is ours

but you said, of course, -- slightly concerned. You said that we are

almost the underdogs, these big giants have power on us. I think

what you do have is an environment which is largely unregulated. And,

it is controlled by a feud very powerful companies. So, whether they

have set out with intent or not, that is where you are. And it is

ruled by terms and conditions which you have probably never read and

would not understand if you did. Including adults, have you ever read

the terms and conditions? Matty O, did you understand them? Yes. And I

got my mum to check, she always checks. And you all clicked that you

agree at the end? Yes. And you say that you understand them, what do

you understand by the terms and conditions? Say if it is using

social media, I understand where the privacy settings are sometimes. And

my mum has two check them over. She only knows the password. Are you on

Instagram? Do you know that they can buy and sell your information? Yes.

I put my account on private. Does that stop a company from buying or

selling those images, Jenny Afia? No, they can do what they want and

get them to other companies and so one. But it means other people,

members of the public, they cannot look at them but companies behind

websites know everything about you. What do they know? Explain what they

know about primary and secondary school children? Any information

that you give them, so how often you go on the website, they are tracking

you, even when you are not on it. If it is on your phone, they are

monitoring you. They have your name, they have your e-mail address, they

know what you like, they have been reading all of your private messages

to one another and any concerns expressed privately, any other

websites that you have gone too from there, and any products which you

have liked, they are keeping records of all of that information. Are you

really saying that there is someone at Facebook reading the messages of

Sara, when she is working out with her friends what she will be wearing

to a party on Friday night? I do not think there is one person there

going through your messages but they will be looking at broad patterns to

see how they can make money from all of us, and how other people will be

interested in what you are doing and they will group information together

and get money from it. What do you think of that? That's kind of scary,

to be honest. Just the fact that they know what you are saying and

what you are doing. It is kind of creepy. What do you think of that? I

do not like it. It is basically like they can see what you are doing. As

long as you carry your phone with you. And if we click that we agree

on terms and conditions, we are giving them permission.

As a mum, what are your concerns? As a mother and as a user, I'm deeply

shocked that we have reached this point, I think that we have lost our

own sense of what we should be passing on to our kids. The fact

that we do not realise that privacy does not actually mean that, that is

pretty... I'm sure a lot of people are not aware of that. I was not

aware. And I see people, friends of mine, on Facebook, posting all kinds

of images of their family, images of themselves, and images that, as a

parent, and some teachers that you will see, they put images of

themselves getting drunk, I don't know, it is not great modelling. It

seems like we are giving kids access to something that they perceive as a

toy and instead it is a hand grenade... My phone is ringing! I am

so sorry. I was meant to put it on silent! I know that you play games

online, Matteo, people that you do not know but you have no reason to

suspect them, but you had some and kind messages, I think? Because I

play games where messaging is not the main part of it, there are other

parts to it, umm.. It is like a drawing game, you get a word of

something that you have to draw and the other person will get it. I

think they could not guess what I drew, and somebody called me a

a-hole. I was really upset so I told my mum straightaway. And what could

you do? Nothing really. Block the person and I felt extremely guilty

that he was exposed to that. I have seen my 13-year-old son who thinks

that his peer group are seeing the kind of trouble that others are

getting into, they are not aware of their digital footprint. Can I just

talk about the other issue that you raised in your report today, Anne?

The length of time that people are on average spending online. Between

the ages of three and four, on average you spend eight hours 18

minutes online, according to Anne's report, and between 12 and 15, it is

20 hours on average. Is that not enough? Too much? Are

you always drawn to your phone when there is nothing to do? Is that your

default position? I think it is too much, to be honest. When you are on

social media for too long, you feel bored. I personally feel that there

is no point at the end. There is no point in me wasting time on it...

When do you reach that feeling, how long are you on it? A couple of

hours, to be honest. But it is spread out through the day. And what

about your daily habits, Beth? How often a day are you online? A couple

of hours. Same as you, but not in one go. If I finish my homework or

something, the first thing I think those doing my phone to check if I

have any messages... And your parents the same? No, they aren't.

Is anybody on for more than three hours per day? Yeah... Darren, as a

teacher, where do the schools coming on this? According to Anne's report,

parents are being reasonably responsible in the kind of access we

give our kids when it comes to being online... We have safety policies

for safety agricultural drunk and students, from year seven day are

taught in ICT lessons... -- safety policies for students.

You need to be careful of what is online and tort of the dangers,

teachers are held to safety policies in terms of our accounts. At the

same time, some of them may choose to ignore it because they would like

more followers. Often you do not think it applies to

you because you feel in control of what you are doing online, you think

you are kind of invincible. Most of the time that will be true but on

the odd occasion you may be subject to bullying, you know, grooming, etc

etc. What do you think of Anne Longfield's idea of teaching

compulsory citizenship lessons? It is included in the scheme of

learning for years seven and we do refresher assemblies throughout the

years. From the age of four, you suggest, Anne Longfield. Yes and

there is an emphasis on safety and protection which is important, but

given this is really now a part ingrained in every part of young

people's lives this is about empowering children as well. So how

to be a good digital citizen, how to notice if somebody is a real person

or a fake person, or how to understand how to react to adverts

if they are targeted towards you. And the discussions we've had about

terms and conditions, that is something children should all know.

You are calling for them to be really simplified. They should be

very transparent. That would be incredibly helpful. As a mum, Katie,

terms of compulsory lessons from the age of four about how to behave

online and manage it, what would you say? Absolutely, and I'm right about

parenting and keep banging on about the fact that there is no mandatory

sex and relationship education and it has to be seen within that

context that it's a relationship you're having with other, often,

people you don't know, it's going to be a relationship you are having

with human resources who are going through your history to see whether

you are a good bet for the company. There is so much that people don't

know and we are still as a generation, us lot, incredibly

squeamish about the subject and we are failing them. You think we are?

Big time. As a privacy law expert, Jenny, would you welcome compulsory

lessons from the age of four circuits know what they are doing?

Absolutely, we've had a lot of education about safety and the

debate about the Internet always gets tied up with safety and that is

obviously important, but the debate in the education needs to move on

now so that young people in particular understand technology and

how it works. For example, knowing that when you are online for three

hours a day it's because there is technology built in, they are called

sticky sites that are designed just to hook you in and keep you on your

phone so that you keep looking at the advertising content and so on. I

don't think enough parents and children realise that. That's the

point plenty of the audience is making this morning, the fact you

all know much more than your periods know. Also raised most kids

understand how the Internet works better than adults. Privacy is a

generational issue, parents will teach children Web safety. When you

became parents you will become savvy in a way that I am not and you are

not Katie. Ben says three to four-year-olds, eight hours online,

it is disgraceful and shows parents just want quiet out of the way kids.

Ed says kids on your programme today holding their own on the online

privacy issue. I know that some of your parents monitor your social

media sites. Is that part of the deal for you having access to

Facebook, Twitter and Instagram? Yes. Are you happy with that? Yes, I

don't mind. Would you go further, would you welcome the fact they look

at what you are saying to your mates and what other people say to you? I

think it is good because then it makes sure you don't do anything

bad, your parents are checking your phone and that you are safe. We

often walk into situations blindfolded, whereas, for example,

Al parents will be able to take a step back and look at what we are

going into, you know? OK. Thank you for coming on, all of you. Thank

you, thank you, thank you. That was somebody from Manchester Arena in if

you are interested. Your views are welcome, get in touch.

Could living near a busy road increase your risk

We'll be examining new research which says that could be the case.

So little is known about the causes of dementia.

Next this morning - this programme has learnt that

a former youth coach for Crewe Alexandra football club

Paul McCann worked closely with Crewe's then manager and now

director of football Dario Gardi who has also been

director of football Dario Gradi who has also been

Mr McCann says he will co-operate with any investigation.

Paul McCann was a coach at Crewe in the 1980s and at one stage she was

in charge of the youth team and also in charge of the beating, or reserve

team at one point. This was on a voluntary basis, he was never paid

for his work at the club, that was a common situation in the 1980s. We

have read a book, A History Of Crewe where he is described as a

long-standing member of the club, a stalwart and a key member of the

youth team and reserve team. He left the club in the 90s, why was that?

He left in 1991, he had a job outside football that took abroad to

the Netherlands and then Australia. He came back to the UK, the same

area, seven or eight years later. He didn't go back to Crewe but

maintained an interest in football and was awarded his Uefa a coaching

lessons, a serious qualification, allowing you to manage or coach any

team up to just underneath premiership level. He never used a

qualification to work professionally but in 2014 he was assisted as a

youth team manager at AFC badminton on Merseyside which ended after a

year in 2015 when the team was disbanded -- AFC Bebington. Back

coaching licence has now been suspended? It has been suspended by

the Football Association, not by the Cheshire FA but the safeguarding

board of the FA in London. It means he may not work in any capacity in

football until the suspension was lifted. Officially the FA will not

confirm the suspension or tell us what he is suspended, it is

confidential information. What did Paul McCann say? He confirmed he has

been suspended and we understand he will cooperate with any

investigation and we understand he denies any wrongdoing. He told the

Guardian newspaper this morning that he thinks he is collateral damage in

all of this. He is the second person suspended by the FA that is linked

to Crewe Alexandra football club. The current director of football and

long-time manager Dario Gradi has also been suspended, this was back

in November. The Football Association will not tell us why

that was. Dario Gradi has denied any wrongdoing and said he will

cooperate fully with any investigation. Thank you, Jim Reed

reporting. A private memorial service will take place later today

for American acting icons Carrie Fisher and her mum Debbie Reynolds.

Family members and close friends will attend.

60-year-old Carrie Fisher died last Tuesday after suffering cardiac

arrest on a plane travelling from London to Los Angeles.

The next day, her mother - Debbie Reynolds - died from a stroke

Her son, Carrie's brother, Todd Fisher,

says she died of a "broken heart" following her daughter's death.

The pair had been taking part in a HBO documentary

which airs this weekend - here's an extract from it.

That's from when they first invented cellphones.

I have to go and start rehearsals for Star Wars seven...

I'm concerned because my mother is not feeling well.

That's what's good about losing your memory.

It's like the old days in a way but I'm like the old days, so...

My family in particular can overwhelm

It wasn't just my mother that was super famous.

They were the couple of America, one heck of a

My mother, she'll forget she's not 35.

Age is horrible for all of us but she falls from a

That was not diagnosed then so nobody kind of knew what was

I went too fast, I was too much, I couldn't

Turn around this way because your rear end is to the camera.

Far more than I ever would want to, I

Just do what your mother says, it makes life easier.

Here's a reminder of some of their most iconic films.

# Singing in the rain # Just singing in the rain.

# What the hell are you doing?

I recognised your foul stench when I was brought on board.

My personal life is always sort of like this, and I think I can, I

think I can, and I seem to marry poorly, I have no taste in men.

Luckily for me Gareth is good and I have two wonderful children.

The Imperial Senate will not stand for this. When they hear...

I'm very excited about being back. I've never been happy since I left.

She wants to live in England. Swiss Cottage. I keep buying her tickets

and she hasn't moved yet. Now I'm going to come.

Before 11am we will speak to Warwick Davis who starred with Carrie Fisher

in Star Wars and described her as an iconic figure but at the same time a

down-to-earth person who just enjoyed living.

That is in the next hour. The latest news and sport in a second but first

the weather. Wasn't it cold this morning. I have lovely pictures from

our weather Watchers. This is in Cheshire, look at the frost on the

ground. London, northward, frosty but beautiful start to the day and

the temperatures, well, the lowest temperature was in Benson in

Oxfordshire, minus 8.1 Celsius, the coldest night in England of the

winter so far. In time-honoured state in Scotland, -8, -7, -4, and a

bit higher in Belfast and St Mary's because we have a weather front

there. For most of us it is a frosty start, in the shade you will hang on

to the frost for much of the day but lots of us won't be, we will enjoy

wintry sunshine. High-pressure is in charge of the weather, here is the

weather front producing cloud in Northern Ireland, the far south-west

of Wales and south-west England. Here are the temperatures which have

kept up as we have gone through the night. A lot of sunshine. Cold,

crisp, winter sunshine with light breezes, along the east coast of

England at times you might find a little more cloud which could

produce the odd shower but most of us will miss them. More cloud

towards the west and with an approaching weather front coming in

towards north-west Scotland you will find more cloud building through the

afternoon, so in the Northwest the sunshine will be hazy. In Northern

Ireland are you are under the influence of weather fronts so

mostly cloudy, some sunny spells but for the bulk of England and Wales we

are looking at a fine afternoon, cold, mind you, with lots of

sunshine. Except in the south-west where you might find the odd splash

of rain coming your way. Through the evening and overnight you can see

the blue hues on the chart, it means it will be cold and frosty again,

but as cloud advances from the north-west some of the frost will

lift, not so pushing down into the south-eastern quarter of the UK

where it will be frosty, cold obviously, and we will have freezing

fog patches. Maybe not just across East Anglia and Southeast, we could

see some further west. Meanwhile, the band of rain careers across

Scotland and Northern Ireland, getting into north-west England and

north-west Wales by the end of the night. Tomorrow the weather fronts

will continue their descent south-eastwards bringing rain with

them, the cloud building ahead of them. Where you have the freezing

fog it will slowly lift, a lot of it into low cloud. Across the far

south-east tomorrow it will be quite grey, dank and feel cold. As the

rain move south, behind it we see a return to brighter skies, hill fog

and some showers. The main thing you will notice is it is going to be

mild, except for where we have the low cloud in the south-east.

Our top story - The Children's Commissioner for England

tells this programme - children are often

ill-prepared to deal with potential pitfalls online,

amid concerns young people are being left to 'fend for themselves'.

You have an environment which is largely unregulated, and it is

controlled by a feud very powerful companies. So whether they set out

with intent or not, that is where you are -- a few. And it is ruled by

terms and conditions that you have probably never read and would

probably not understand even if you did. Schoolchildren have told us

this morning that some spend about three hours a day online, but were

quite happy that parents monitored their activities online. Also

today... The men who murdered their families, we speak to those

affected. Those are the things

I have to live with now. Even though it has

been 14 years, I have bad dreams and all of the things

that you have experienced... And over Christmas week, two rough

sleepers died on the streets in one Kent town.

How did that happen in the 21st-century? We have a look.

Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

A study has warned that children are being left to "fend

for themselves" in the digital world against dangers such

The Children's Commissioner for England, Anne Longfield,

says many children and parents are often unaware that personal

information and content posted on social media sites can be sold

Children are often ill-prepared, they do not have knowledge about how

the Internet works or the social rules that could be online. Often

they do not have the information, especially regarding privacy, and

terms and conditions ruled that, they are largely unfathomable. They

do not have the back-up to be able to do something about it, if

something goes wrong. Researchers in Canada have found

that people living near major roads appear more likely

to develop dementia. They tracked more than two million

people in Ontario for signs of the brain disease over the course

of eleven years. The scientists suggested air

pollution or noisy traffic could contribute to the brain's

decline. The Turkish government say the man

behind the New Year's Day gun attack in Istanbul may have

left the country. 39 people were killed in the attack

at the Reina nightclub Deputy Prime Minister told

a Turkish broadcaster that the killer was of Uighur

origin and that the gunman acted alone but may have

been helped by others. A record number of new cars

were bought in the UK in 2016 - according to the Society

of Motor Manufacturers and Traders. Sales hit 2.69 million -

that's up more than 2% However, with sales growth now

falling, the industry is not expecting such strong figures in

2017. This programme has learnt that

a former Crewe Alexandra coach has denied wrongdoing

after being suspended Paul McCann worked with young

players at the club He was working with the then-manager

Dario Gradi, who is now He also later volunteered as a youth

coach at non-league club AFC Handwritten letters

from Princess Diana are due to be Written to a steward

at Buckingham Palace, they reveal that a young

Prince Harry was routinely In one letter she described being

totally overwhelmed by the number of flowers she received after Prince

Harry's birth. The collection will be sold over

approximately 40 lots - with estimates ranging

from ?80 to ?900. The auction also includes

letters from the Queen, written on Windsor Castle headed

paper. A five-month-old baby elephant has

been taking a dip in a swimming pool in Thailand as part of a lengthy

rehabilitation process Baby Fah Jam's front left leg

was caught in a trap set by local villagers in November -

But although the wound and her health improved significantly,

she refused to put any weight The treatment - which is being

undertaken so she can avoid having to use a a prosthetic leg -

could take up to two months. That's a summary of the latest BBC

News - more at 10.30. Do get in touch with us

throughout the morning - use the #VictoriaLIVE

and if you text, you will be charged Here's some sport now with JOHN,

and the Premier League title chase John is here with all of the

sport... The Premier League title

race is hotting up. Tottenham prevented Chelsea

from matching the longest consecutive winning run in PL

history which stands at 14 matches. The Blues were beaten 2-0

at White Hart Lane last night, both goals coming from midfielder

Dele Alli. Before the game his manager

Mauricio Pochettino called him the most important player to emerge

in English Football in recent years. And Alli responded,

helping Tottenham to their fifth straight win

So Tottenham are up third, but Chelsea remain five points clear

at the top. For the boys, there was no need to

talk before the game, everybody knew how big it was for the players and

the fans come could see from the first whistle how badly the fans

wanted to win as well. It was nice to score but it was more important

to get the win today. Tottenham are in third place, Chelsea remain five

points clear at the top. And despite seeing his side slip

to their first league defeat since September,

Chelsea manager Antonio Conte is confident his side can

continue their recent good run. It is a pity, but it is important to

know that this can happen. It is important now to continue to work

very hard, to improve every day. It's now a career best 26

competitive matches in a row he's won after beating Gerald Melzer

to reach the Quarter Final's The World Number One

was made to work hard - he was taken to a tie break

in the first set against the Austrian -

but took it 7-6 and the second 7-5. As he continues his preparation

for the Australian Open later this month, he's reached the final five

times in Melbourne, Johanna Konta's good

form continues as well. She is one win away from her third

WTA Final after victory over Krystina Pliskova in the Semi Finals

of the Shenzen Open in China. And Paralympic champion Kadeena Cox,

has defended her decision, to take part in the Channel 4

reality show, The Jump. UK Sport have suspended her funding

while she takes part A number of celebrities have been

injured in previous series. On social media, Cox

said her diagnosis, of MS, had changed her outlook on life,

saying her life is a ticking time bomb, and that she was going to go

away and enjoy ski-ing. I'll be back at half

past with the latest. People who live near major roads

have higher rates of Alzheimers and other forms of dementia,

research published in the medical At the moment, very little is known

about the causes of dementia. Lets talk to our various guests who

we have here... I am waiting for their names!

With us in the studio is Dr James Pickett, head

of research at Alzheimer's Society, and in our Glasgow newsroom

is Professor June Andrews from Stirling University,

who's the author of Dementia - The One-Stop Guide.

Doctor James, this is not as simple as headlines would suggest, can you

and pick this for our audience? Yes, causes of dementia of extreme

interest but very complicated. We know there are things we are born

with, genetics play a role but there are things which we have control

over, like diet and lifestyle. What we are beginning to learn, the new

area, is how the environment and where we live plays a role as well.

This single study is beginning early research in a big study beginning to

unpick that for us. June, does this study mean that if you move near a

major road, with traffic noise and air pollution, you are more likely

to get dementia? If you move to the countryside you are less likely? It

is really important that nobody moves house on the basis of the

study. What it does is it reinforces things we've known for quite a long

time. Although the origins of dementia are quite complicated, it

is quite clear that air quality, where you live, makes a difference

to how well you are. That's a quality inside of a care home or a

house. It is unsurprising that environmental air quality, the kind

of thing an issue near a main road, will make a difference. There is

research indicating this but there is no need to move house on the back

of this? Why not? There are things that can make more of a difference

than the place you live. Exercise makes a difference and what you eat

and drink, staying well hydrated and even temperature in your home can

make a difference. Moving house is such a huge turmoil for people that

if you are already affected by dementia, moving house itself can

make things worse. It is important not to overreact to this one piece

of research showing there is an association, that is not necessarily

causal. That is very important. We are not saying that if you moved by

that road, you will get dementia, but what we are saying is that you

may be more likely to get dementia, or people who are more likely to get

dementia live by busy roads. That's correct. Yes, air pollution could be

one factor, disturbance and we know that sleep is important, disturbance

in sleep and stress could have a role but there are reasons, as Jean

says, you cannot link one thing to the other. The study does not show

that moving away from the road reduces risk but the evidence

suggests that people who grew up in the country are at higher risk than

those who grew up in urban environments. We are learning single

pieces of information but we had to take a bigger picture of all of the

evidence. There are hundreds of things you do in your life, some of

the things you know about, which increase your risk, others which

reduce it. It is the whole footprint across your life. I agree with

James, one of the things to do is to look at what you can do which will

make the biggest difference. Some of the things include rest, which is

really hard to get a proper sleep if you are living near a noisy road.

There are things that you can do to improve the chances of someone

sleeping well when they have dementia, dementia is self is a

symptom of the disease. There are a lot of things you can do to make

symptoms easy without affecting the underlying disease, which is what we

would like to do eventually but at the moment we isn't much -- there

isn't much we can do for that. So there has to be more research done,

which is being done, why do we know so little about the specific causes?

Both if you have talked about a myriad of reasons which can help but

why do we know so little about the causes of it? Your brain is a very

complicated organ, separated from your body by the blood brain

barrier, making research between the two very complicated. We know that

the fragile brain can have problems which do not translate into dementia

symptoms. That is right there are so many things you can do to keep

symptoms down. -- that is why.

There are a lot of different causes, vascular disease, outsiders disease,

so many and if you found the cause of one of them, you may not get the

others. It is very complicated. I'm glad it

is being discussed to day, sometimes in it then use it can be

oversimplified, which is frustratingly for the families

affected. Is it one of the issues of our times? Definitely, we have not

invested enough in dementia research for many years. Which is why we know

so little about the brain. That is beginning to change, our

organisation is creating a new Institute in London to tackle the

causes of dementia as well. I'm hopeful for the future that we will

begin to invest. We always say that more research is needed and funding

as well, we are beginning to address one of the issues of our time. In

the meantime, if people know the practical things they can to until

this wonderful research comes through, I'm glad that research is

being done, knowing what to do in the meantime is vital. You mentioned

getting a decent night of sleep, what else? Exercise? That makes a

difference, you need fresh air and not near a busy road. Health checks

over 40. Eat well, stay hydrated, act on underlying health problems.

If you have diabetes or high blood pressure, manage it properly. There

are a lot of things you can do and information like that is on the

Alzheimer's Society website. What is good for your heart is good for your

head. Thank you very much, both of you. The government is being

urged to act after two homeless people died in the same town over

Christmas, we have been to Chatham in Kent to find out more.

This morning we've been talking about the men

What causes them to carry out acts of such unspeakable brutality?

Leading experts have told this programme we should be doing more

to spot warning signs and patterns of behaviour - things

like physical abuse, a loss of control and terrifying

threats - which should be triggering concern and action.

But what about the families who this advice is too late for?

Our reporter James Longman has been to meet one woman whose children

Denise Williams met her ex-husband Stephen Wilson when she was 16.

Brett was born in 1993, and Bradley the following year.

life of abuse and putting up with drunken outbursts,

just having the children seemed to make it all OK.

Denise took her sons and left Stephen several times.

She left for the last time in February 2002.

She didn't take Brett and Bradley with her that time but was planning

He rang me, and he said I have just killed the kids and I'm

And at that, you think, listen for the boys, listen

for the boys in the background, can you hear them?

Stephen murdered his two sons by stabbing them in their necks.

First he killed his younger son, Bradley, who was seven years old,

I remember going and just seeing the children through a glass,

like they're in a fish tank, and I identified the bodies.

Stephen Wilson was given two life sentences for their murders.

Denise's story shows a cycle of abuse ending in tragedy,

but what about when the very children targeted manage to survive?

David Potts attacked his partner's family,

Somebody broke through the back door.

But before they did that, they went and bought -

on the floor, over the sofas and up the stairs and everywhere,

And then my mum and eldest brother went to try and stop him

but he just lit the fuel just in time,

Zac was four years old when his mum's new partner broke

into the family home and set it on fire.

Zac survived, along with his half sister Kay-Lynn,

His mum, Tracy, and 15-year-old half brother, Sean, were killed.

Zac was taken to a children's hospital for treatment.

When I found out who died, I was crying, and when I think

Zac is now nine and living with his dad.

I would like think of what it would be like if my mum was around,

and what house I would be in, either the same house

Yes, you think about the practicalities a lot, don't you?

You miss having your mum around, don't you?

It would be nice to have mum here as well.

Like, somebody to, an extra person to accompany me.

Let's talk now to Dr Jane Monckton-Smith -

a Criminologist at the University of Gloucestershire.

She's currently leading one of the biggest studies

Hello to you. Good morning. This text from Simon goes to the heart of

it. My heart bleeds for them and what horrific things they had to

endure. Why do these situations arise and what could lead to these

men killing their own children and partners? We have to try and stop

this before it happens. The poor boy having to watch that happen to his

mum and brother and surviving to live his life without them makes me

cry. What leads some men to do this? Well, I think we need to look at the

dynamics of domestic abuse and especially coercive control. Is

there always a link? I would say always a link. Perhaps we could put

it at 98%, but really, even though most of these cases don't come to

the notice of the police or there is no arrest record before these things

happen, families, friends, communities can very often spot some

of the danger signs, especially if they know what they are. The

families that I've worked with always say if only we'd known what

to look for. When you say something we can look for, sometimes there is

physical evidence when somebody beats up a partner, relatives will

know if somebody is not allowed out of the house, or not allowed to call

them or text them, won't they? But you never actually think, do you, he

might kill them? You just don't think that. Nobody thinks murder

will come into their lives, do they? It is our worst nightmare. But from

all the research that's been done internationally and certainly from

the study I'm doing, there are some inconsistencies in the way that this

certain group of men behave, and it is mainly men, over 95% of cases it

is men. The consistency is spread across domestic abuse. These are

domestic homicides that have extended out a little bit. Is there

always a pattern rather than somebody out of the blue suddenly

murdering their partner or children? I can say with some confidence, and

other researchers have said with confidence, that these are always

planned. They are never spontaneous and I think that's where we get

misled. That means somebody can't snap, in inverted commas, if it is

premeditated? He just snapped, is very often the reason we put forward

for these things happening but that is not helping us stop it because it

is to misinterpret what has happened. It looks sometimes as if

they've just snapped because we don't recognise the antecedents, the

stalking, the escalation and things like that. In most cases there is no

obvious violence. What do you expect other people to do then? There is no

obvious violence. You think you know, he won't let her out, what are

you going to do? Ring the police and say I think my brother-in-law won't

let my sister out? They will not be able to do much. It would be

difficult on that information to do much but you must remember we have

two new course of conduct defences, coercive control and stalking. So

the police have more powers to act earlier in the situations. What I am

saying to you if you are a relative or friend and you think there is an

issue, is it your job to collect some evidence and present it to the

police in order to get them to act, or is it enough to say, I think

there is an issue here, please help? The best thing is to speak to the

person involved. You have to speak in a varied nonjudgemental way

because it is very difficult to leave. In fact, leaving is the

biggest trigger for this kind of behaviour, this kind of family

annihilation, so it has to be done carefully. What I would suggest is

anybody in this kind of situation and any families who are concerned,

and they are usually concerned, can phone domestic violence helpline is,

stalking helplines, to get some more information and perhaps get referred

to a safety plan. And that might involve what? What might a safety

plan involve? As we know, mums will say don't do anything because that's

going to make him worse. Yes they do, absolutely. A generalised

comment but we all recognise it. That is what happens most of the

time because that is an absolutely valid comment to make because one of

the biggest trigger is, as I've just said, is when there is a separation.

A lot of these men have separation anxiety. So it does make it very

difficult. That does not mean there cannot be a safety plan around that

family and that woman. OK, so people should not feel that it is futile if

they ring one of the helplines and support groups? Not at all. Steph on

Facebook says I got out of an ABC relationship in 2015 and it was

difficult because I had nowhere to live -- abusive relationship. I wish

I could have left years before but it wasn't easy but I'm glad I did.

Me and my daughter are putting our lives back together again and I'm

awaiting counselling and I'm happier than I ever have been.

Mark says the stabbings, the arson attacks, they are awful. I lost my

partner to cancer in 2011, that in itself is hard to cope with and I

cannot begin to imagine how one copes with such awful events. My

love to the victims. This text, Denise and the poor boy are so

strong in what they have had to deal with, people can only imagine what

they have had to go through and I hope they find peace in the future.

Why do people need to be so cruel? Are these cases finally on the rise?

There is some evidence to suggest, especially in the United States,

where there was a very sharp rise after 1990. The figures went up to

about 2007. We are seeing a rise in this kind of murder. But that may be

just because there is more visibility of it. But the domestic

homicides themselves are not rising. So it's arising within that group.

Thank you for coming on the programme.

If you want to read more about this you can find an article on the BBC

news site and if you want to see the film it is on our programme page.

ABC .co .uk/ Victoria. -- bbc.co.uk/ Victoria.

The deaths of two rough sleepers in the same town

over christmas week, has prompted calls for

government legislation on homelessness in the winter.

The two men died within a few streets of each other

in Chatham in Kent - it's feared they may

Currently there's no legal obligation for local

authorities to provide help, but some say that should change.

Lesley Ashmall spent the evening in Chatham.

Hi, Leslie. Yes, Christmas Eve, busy shopping centre, one man found dead,

and then just a few days later another man died just round the

corner. Last night I went out with a local charity checking all the

people, plenty of them still sleeping on the streets last night

in the bitter cold. They went out checking they're OK.

The high Street was mobbed, Christmas Eve, people doing

shopping. It was 11:30am when somebody realised he had passed

away. If you look at the flowers left over the last week, pictures,

he left all of his stuff and this is where Michael stayed. Michael

McCloskey was in his 40s, a father and grandfather. A run of bad luck

left him on the streets. Michael was always in top spirits, a great guy,

West Ham supporter, so we always talked a lot about football. He was

a nice guy, you can see from the amount of flowers left and reading

some of the cards. And then just a few days later a few streets away

another person died. Sadly great past as well. It is two too many,

the council needs to do something. Why are these guys left out here?

Why aren't we looking after them? There are still people on the street

as you can see. When are the council going to say this is enough. This is

a very big problem. It's not known how either man died

but their friends think the weather could have been to blame. Definitely

the cold. It's got to be the cold because they had no blankets on,

definitely the cold. How do you survive? We popped into McDonald's

now and again, we have a place up the road, try and find anything warm

in the shops. I have three or four coats on, three or four trousers,

three pairs of socks, two sleeping bags and still freezing in the

morning. What should the government do? The government needs to come

down and see the homeless people who are actually homeless and give them

a place to stay, do you know what I mean? We are all suffering, we are

not all bad people. There is not enough places for people to go.

There are more homes in Chatham than people think. I'm a victim of

circumstances, I had my Mrs and that and I was working but I'm down on my

look -- luck. I'm struggling on the streets. I have two or three fits a

day and if it weren't for my friend Shane being around me I would be

dead myself. Medved has said it follows national guidelines and

offers accommodation when the weather falls below freezing for

three consecutive nights. But, for Shane and Barry, those guidelines

aren't enough. We asked Medway Council

for an interview. It is very sad to see people

sleeping on the streets and to hear We would urge anyone sleeping rough

to visit our contact point in Gillingham,

so we can provide advice We can speak now to Balbir Chatrik

from the homelessness charity Centrepoint,

Andrew Faris who was homeless and sleeping rough for five years,

and Rick Henderson who is the chief Let me ask all of you -

how is it possible that people can be left to potentially freeze

to death on the streets We are already into 2017 now and we

find even now, last night, for example, people are suffering, there

is severe weather, nobody has any obligation to check on them. There

is no figures on how many people die every night or every year published,

as homeless people, they are regarded as homeless people. Yes,

they are missing. It is really sad to know people are dying because of

the cold weather. Rick, you are local to the area. This is sort of

beyond belief, isn't it? I wish it was, these two cases local to where

I live are tragic because it happened within a few days of each

other. The fact is these are not isolated incidents. There is an

annual roll call of deaths of people on the streets, often as a direct

result of the cold weather but for all kinds of reasons. This is

happening because, although there are some guidelines, some practice

around this area, we call it the severe weather emergency protocol,

SWEP, which means the local authority should trigger the

provision of emergency accommodation. This is optional, it

is not a statutory legal requirement, but we'd like to think

it should be. There is also no legal requirement to investigate in any

significant way to the deaths of people on the street. There are no

serious case reviews, for example. Something we would like to see. It

is a bad situation but not an isolated situation. This happens all

of the time. It is absolutely disgraceful in the 21st-century,

having people dying on the streets, it is unacceptable. We need to work

together to change that. But it's not just about people on the

streets, we know young people in particular are sleeping on night

buses, they are sleeping in stairwells, because it's not safe

for them to be on the streets because young people in particular

as our research has shown, they don't want to be on the streets, so

a quarter would go home with a stranger just for a place to stay.

About 10% will actually emit a crime. So you've got a police cell

for the night. Another 10% will actually do something to get

themselves admitted to A just to be off the streets. Why don't local

authorities have an obligation to look after people like Michael

McCloskey and Greg. Sadly we only know his first name.

I don't know, we have questioned the councils... Were they not vulnerable

enough? That is true, in that case it is right. We have found that the

people who are sleeping rough, of our friends who are sleeping rough,

often you find people on the streets in London, if they are stood up,

they are not regarded as homeless but if they are sitting down they

are not regarded as homeless, if they are laying down for six days in

a row, somebody may come along to see if they can

get them help. Where is the priority to see a human being on the street

and say, I need to do something... I have to read you this e-mail from

Sue. In 2002 I befriended a rough sleeper in Bath, he suffered from

mental illness, physically abused at home he was an alcoholic. He was

physically strong but vulnerable and was known to local police because he

was prone to violence. He himself was subjected to frequent violent

attacks why drunks and other rough sleepers. He died on New Year's Eve

in 2004 having been stabbed more than 12 times, the perpetrator is

still free despite up to 20 people witnessing the attack. Every witness

was threatened by the attacker, known to many of them, with their

lives. Should they have dared give evidence? If I were to sum up the

lives of rough sleepers, it is petrifying, turbulent and isolating,

and without hope. The fact is, the law is not strong enough when it

comes to individuals. They test Bumrah Bella Tabor titters

arbitrary. Royalty need, if you -- they test vulnerability. But by and

large if you are a single person without dependents, the only thing

you are legally entitled to is advice and assistance.

Clearly that is not enough, we need a system allowing people to get off

the streets, and get people into accommodation. We need to prevent

people from a riding on the streets in the first

place, people are being evicted from private tenancies and cannot solve

issues before they are evicted. We know the relationship breakdowns

causes people to wind up on the street and you cannot stop people

arriving on the streets completely but if you have the resources and

will to do it, you can make sure that people do not live on the

streets because when they do that, chances are they will die on the

streets. Is that fair? Absolutely, but we need to know the scale and

nature of the problem. If you look at figures, they underestimate how

many rough sleepers there are. In London, there are about 8000 people

sleeping rough last year, about 10% of young people. We know that it is

an underestimate. We need to know the scale of the problem so we can

do about the right solutions, without that we cannot develop them.

Are they being developed by anyone with power, even without knowing the

scale of the problem? I think the government is doing some work, this

reduction Bill is going through Parliament and will prevent

homelessness. Rick is right, if young people are on the streets, we

pick them up. How did it happen to you? My thing was that I was in

commercial business, is state, and I found myself homeless and was Auden

the streets for 5.5 years -- estate. How did that happen? It happens very

quickly, it happens within three months of you losing your property,

and onto the streets. It is so quick, repossession takes place very

quickly. You owned a house? A very large house, with cars, business,

offices... And your business went down the drain? In one go. They did

not care, they could have given me another 60 days to swap everything,

you plead with them, let me solve it in 30 or 60 days... But in two or

three months, that's it, you are out. Give us the keys. Then people

think you must have friends who you could cap on their sofa, or a

relative? It does not happen that easily. Because you do not want to

impose yourself? Not only that, it is not just pride but when you think

you have those friends, they are not around. They disappear suddenly

because you need money and accommodation, you will be a burden

on their family and with how they operate. What I have found myself,

it is such a hard way of getting out of homelessness. Why did the last

five and a half years... I could have done it in one or two years,

don't drink or smoke, do this or do that... But the system itself takes

you along that path where you have to go through hoops, one after the

next. There is no counsel that I could go to and say, I need help

from you. Can you help me? I'm a single person, I just need one room

and I need to get my life together. Why do you need to be out of there

for so many years? That's the problem. Councils need have an

obligation and if they want to come with our charity every night, and

see the homeless guys in central London, if you want to do a walk

around, I can introduce you to 50-100 people every night on the

streets of central London. Some are very young, and some are

very old. Angela, she is in her 50s. David is in his 60s. These guys are

vulnerable. Let me read a couple more messages from people watching

you talk about this. Anthony on Facebook says that the UK is a

shameful place for homeless people with woeful care. Another says it is

heartbreaking, due to a relationship breakdowns they nearly found

themselves rough sleeping before Christmas, they ran Al Gore boot

camp so they knew how cold it could be, let alone sleeping outside --

outdoor boot camps. Thank you for talking about this

with us this morning. Thank you for coming on the programme.

Still to come, we'll talk to the Star Wars actor Warwick Davis

about his friend the American actress Carrie Fisher.

A memorial service takes place for Carrie and her mother

Debbie Reynolds, who died within 24 hours of each other over Christmas.

The winner of the Best Art Vinyl award will be announced tonight -

but what makes a vinyl album cover iconic?

We'll be discussing with some experts shortly.

And some of the nominees for the award tonight.

Slightly later than normal... All of the news.

A study has warned that children are being left to "fend

for themselves" in the digital world - against dangers such

The Children's Commissioner for England, Anne Longfield,

says many children and parents are often unaware that personal

information and content posted on social media sites can be sold

Just the fact that they know what you're saying and you're doing, it

Researchers in Canada have found that people living near major

roads appear more likely to develop dementia.

They tracked more than two million people in Ontario for signs

of the brain disease over the course of 11 years.

The scientists suggested air pollution or noisy traffic

could contribute to the brain's decline.

A record number of new cars were bought in the UK in 2016 -

according to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders.

Sales hit 2.69 million - that's up more than 2%

However, with sales growth now falling the industry isn't expecting

Migrants should be expected to learn English before coming to the UK,

or attend language classes when they arrive, according

The cross-party group said speaking English was "the key

to full participation in our society and economy".

They also said ministers should consider letting

different parts of the UK set their own immigration policy.

The government said it was spending ?20 million on English

This programme has learnt that a former Crewe Alexandra coach

has denied wrongdoing after being suspended

Paul McCann worked with young players at the club

He was working with the then-manager Dario Gradi, who is now

He also later volunteered as a youth coach at non-league club AFC

Handwritten letters from Princess Diana are due to be

Written to a steward at Buckingham Palace,

they reveal that a young Prince Harry was routinely

In one letter dated 17th October, 1992, she says how both young

princes "are well and enjoying boarding school a lot, although

The collection will be sold over approximately 40 lots -

with estimates ranging from ?80 to ?900.

The auction also includes letters from the Queen,

written on Windsor Castle-headed paper.

Tottenham prevented Chelsea from matching the longest

consecutive winning run in PL history as the Blues were beaten 2-0

at White Hart Lane last night, to throw open the title race.

Dele Alli got both goals with two headers.

Chelsea remain five points clear at the top,

Andy Murray's winning run continues, he's extended his to a career best

26 consecutive matches following his victory over

He's into the Quarter Finals after a tough straight sets win over

the Austrian as he prepares for his assault on the Australian

Open later this month, one of two major titles the world

And Johanna Konta's good run of form continues as well.

She is one win away from reaching her third WTA Final.

She beat Krystina Pliskova, to reach the Semi Finals

And that's all the sport for now, I'll have more on the BBC

A private memorial service will take place later today for American

acting icons Carrie Fisher and her mother Debbie Reynolds.

Family members and close friends will attend.

60-year-old Carrie Fisher died last Tuesday after suffering cardiac

arrest on a plane travelling from London to Los Angeles.

The next day, her mother - Debbie Reynolds - died from a stroke

Her son, Carrie's brother, Todd Fisher,

says she died of a "broken heart" following her daughters death.

The pair had been taking part in a HBO documentary

which airs this weekend - here's an extract from it.

That's from when they first invented cellphones.

I have to go and start rehearsals for Star Wars seven...

I'm concerned because my mother is not feeling well.

That's what's good about losing your memory.

It's like the old days in a way but I'm like the old days, so...

My family in particular can overwhelm

It wasn't just my mother that was super famous.

They were the couple of America, one heck of a