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Hello - it's friday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling,

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Thousands of people in Essex and Suffolk told to move to safety

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as gale force winds combine with high tides along

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There are 11 severe flood warnings in the area -

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I am in Jaywick where is getting busier at this rest centre where

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more than 2500 residents are being evacuated from their homes. We will

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have the details live. Amber Cliff died of cervical

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cancer aged just 25. Her family say she'd

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repeatedly asked for tests And with claims this week

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that the NHS is struggling to cope with demand,

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we'll find out what politicians and people working in the health

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service think needs to be done. Welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11:00 this morning. If you're affected by the bad

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weather and flood warnings this If you're a man who works part-time,

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then we'd love to hear Are you part-time through choice

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or because you can't Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and if you text, you will be charged Our top story today - the army's

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on standby to help evacuate communities along the East Coast

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where a tidal surge The Environment Agency has issued 11

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severe flood warnings, 29 schools in Scotland

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have been closed All along the east coast,

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floodgates have been closed Gale-force winds are

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combining with high tides In Jaywick, in Essex,

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there is a severe flood warning, The emergency services

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have arrived in force. The residents are

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being urged to leave. We really strongly advise people

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to stay away from high tides, and not just those being evacuated,

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but more generally, if people can be sensible

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about not wave watching, about not driving through floodwater

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and really just focusing It's very important today,

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with this weather. Some have already heeded that

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warning, others are waiting to see. Everyone on the text messages

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saying, "Have they evacuated yet?" The neighbours next door,

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they get all panicked because she's not very well next door and things

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like that, so I think a lot of people are

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actually planning to stay. On the Lincolnshire coast

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at Skegness, the military have been About 100 soldiers are being based

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at the police station. Along the coast, those most

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vulnerable are doing what they can There will be a significant rise

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in the water but whether it will be enough to top the defences,

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that depends on Mother Nature, And Mother Nature is set to bring

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more wintry weather today, Nearly all the UK is covered

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by weather warnings Our correspondent Leigh Milner

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is in Jaywick in Essex. You are at one of the places people

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are being taken to when they have to leave their homes. What's happening?

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17 people slept here overnight. They were told to evacuate. In total 2500

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people in Jaywick and surrounding areas were told to leave their homes

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yesterday afternoon, that's half the population of Jaywick. It's busier

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this afternoon. They are sitting down, they haven't had any sleep.

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With an update, a representative from the Environment Agency. Lisa,

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as I understand, and I don't know if it's true, but as we've established

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no threat to life in Essex, but there is possibly around the east

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coast. Is that what we are hearing? You're dealing with two tides today.

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The initial tide is expected at midday and that's looking slightly

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better than forecast, which is great news. The important thing is that

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wind could pick up at any time, so we are telling people to be

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vigilant. We are would rather have people here where they say. But

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there is the possibility warnings could go up again later in the day.

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So there is still the possibility of flooding in Essex and East Coast

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later this evening? Definitely. We are tracking the weather, but it

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could reach high levels this evening. We encourage people to stay

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safe, be vigilant and keep listening to our warnings and those of the

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emergency services and take action when needed. This isn't a false

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alarm, it's the real thing. People need to get out of their homes. We

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are seeing red and yellow, severe warnings, does that means threat to

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life? Severe warnings been threat to life. A flood warning me is threat

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to property and actions need to be taken. The issue with the storm

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surge, it's about the high wind coinciding with what would be high

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tide anyway. When you get that, you get really high levels, but it can

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be changeable through the day. We forecast it as closely as we can and

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we watch it through. But it's important people stay alert because

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some of the high tides will happen late tonight. What plans are in

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place to minimise damage to property if flooding occurs? We have been

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working all week to make sure we have brought more than 8000

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kilometres of barrier, large amounts of pumps, the military and other

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partners are involved. We have a temporary barrier that will put up

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protection. Across areas people are seeing defences put in place to help

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them. Thank you for speaking to us, Lisa. Plenty of people here staying

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warm. It's not a false alarm, this is the real thing. If you feel you

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are at risk, make sure you check out the Environment Agency website.

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Our correspondent Phil Mackie is at a services on the M42 -

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What's it like where you are? It's very cold and windy. There has been

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some snow falling in the last hour. It has given a covering of snow here

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widely across the West Midlands. It's not really causing any major

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disruption. You can see over my shoulder, the motorway with traffic

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moving slower than normal, but freely. You can possibly make out

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the lights of the sign saying that there is salt spreading happening.

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There is a rapidly moving snowstorm moving south-east at the moment. We

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will probably catch the of it, so it. Snowing in the next half an

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hour. It's following the route of the M1 to M40. Later on the forecast

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is better. By Sunday any snow lying on the ground will wash away in the

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rain. No schools shutting and no major disruption. A covering of

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snow. Very unpleasant to be stud outside, but perhaps not as bad as

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some had feared. Thank you, Phil Mackie. We will have a full weather

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update just before 10am. In ETA is in the BBC newsroom. -- Anita.

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BBC News understands that Christopher Steele -

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the former British spy who wrote a dossier of lurid claims

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about Donald Trump - was once hired by the England

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It's believed he was brought in to investigate allegations

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of corruption made against world football's governing body,

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Fifa, and to gather intelligence on rival bids,

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Talks aimed at re-unifying the island of Cyprus have

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ended without agreement - but with a plan for officials

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The United Nations, which has hosted the talks in Geneva,

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says a working group will be set up to consider the security concerns

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of both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities.

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The UN Secretary General says he believes a deal on reunifying

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The car maker Fiat Chrysler has been accused of violating

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The US Environmental Protection Agency says the manufacturer

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equipped tens of thousands of diesel Jeep and Dodge vehicles

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with software that regulates emissions results.

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The firm has denied doing anything illegal, but has seen its share

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The number of men in low-paid part-time work has increased

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New research by the Institute for Fiscal Studies has found that

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one in five low paid men between the ages of 25 and 55 now

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works part time compared to 1 in 20 two decades ago.

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Top-earning men in the professions normally work full-time.

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In fact, only 5% of them work part-time.

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But in comparison, amongst the lowest-paid men,

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often in areas like catering and hospitality, 20% now work

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part-time, and that number has increased fourfold

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That has meant that wage inequality for men has increased, as high-paid,

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full-time staff have done far better than low-paid, part-time workers.

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But for women, the opposite is the case.

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For women, earnings growth has been consistently higher than that

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for men over the last 20 years, and more of them are in work.

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For men, particularly the lowest-paid, they've actually

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seen falls in the numbers of hours of work, which has suppressed

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It is far from clear why low-paid men are

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It might be because they want to, although that seems unlikely.

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The fact that 60% of the low-paid and part-time jobs are either

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in retail, wholesale, restaurants or hospitality might

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suggest that men who previously worked in low-paid but secure

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and full-time jobs, in sectors like manufacturing,

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have lost that work, and instead have been forced

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into the traditionally poorly paid and less-secure services sector

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Just after 10:30, Joanna will be discussing this further with those

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with those who find themselves in part-time work.

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Hospitals have been warned they are failing to raise concerns about

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incompetent locum doctors. The General Medical Council says some

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hospitals take no action when they see incompetence in stand in

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doctors. The regulator says a reluctance

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to share information weaknesses in checks is allowing some poorly

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performing stand-in There were emotional

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scenes during a ceremony at the White House last night,

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as outgoing US President surprised his vice-president

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with the country's For the final time as president, I'm

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pleased to award our nation's highest civilian honour, the

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presidential medal of Freedom. APPLAUSE

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As you heard there, Joe Biden received

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Mr Biden said the honour had been a complete surprise.

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Barack Obama said he and his second in command had had 'quite a ride'.

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This also gives the internet one last chance to...

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning -

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use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged

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We'll be looking more closely at the trend of why more men are working in

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low paid part-time work. If you are in that situation, get in touch.

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Let's get some sport with Jessica Creighton.

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News overnight of the draw for the Australian Open...

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Seven Britons in the main draw this year and Johanna Konta is one of

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them. In the last few minutes she has won the Sydney International

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beating Agnieszka Radwanska in straight sets. She will play Kirsten

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Flipkens in the first round of the Australian open. A tough match

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considering Flipkens got to the semifinal of Wimbledon last year. In

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the men's draw, Andy Murray plays against a Ukraine opponent, the

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world number 93. None of the four male British players face opponents

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in the world's top 50 in their opening-round matches. Andy Murray

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has made it to the final in Melbourne five times before but has

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never won the Australian open. The returning Roger Federer might have a

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say in Andy Murray winning his third title of 2017. Murray could face the

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20 17th grand -- could face the 17 time grand slam champion in the

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quarterfinals. Tributes coming in for Graham Taylor, the football

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world paying tribute to the former England manager this weekend after

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his passing yesterday aged 72. A minutes applause will be held ahead

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of games with some players wearing black armbands. Taylor spent time at

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Lincoln city, Aston Villa and wolves, but is probably best

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connected with Watford, where he managed for a total of 15 years over

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two spells. He led the club from the fourth division two runners-up in

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the First Division in five years. He also took them to the 1984 FA Cup

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final. Taylor also managed England for three years but retired from the

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job in 1993 after England failed to qualify for the 1994 World Cup. Will

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be here any more on the future of the England captain today? Alastair

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Cook, will be meeting with director of cricket Andrew Strauss today amid

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speculation on whether he will remain as captain.

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England had a tough time recently on their tour of India, 84-0 series

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defeat. Cook admitted having questions about his captaincy and

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leadership. He seemed to endorse top batsman and vice captain Joe Root.

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This meeting with Andrew Strauss isn't extraordinary. It's normal for

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the two to come together and review a series. Cook is into his fifth

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year at the helm, having captained England for a record 59 tests. It

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would take its toll on anyone, but there the tempting prospect of the

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Ashes at the end of the year. England don't play another test

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until July. Their one-day side is currently in the middle of a series

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in India so it's the Cook will be given time to ponder his decision.

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And sad news from the world of horse racing? Bryan Fletcher has died, he

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won the Grand National three times, twice on Red Rum. He wrote Red

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Alligator to victory in 1968, repeating the feat with Red Rum in

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1973 and 1974. Former champion jockey Peter Scudamore has led

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tributes to Fletcher, describing him as an unsung hero.

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Amber Cliff died of cervical cancer on Sunday.

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She worried there was something wrong with her four years ago

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because she had bleeding and abdominal pains,

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but her family say she was told she was too young to be tested.

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Smear tests are offered to women when they turn 25 in England.

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Her brother Josh said she finally paid for a private test

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which confirmed the news they were dreading.

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Let's talk now to Amber's brother Josh, and her sister Cameron.

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Monday into Tuesday looks likely to stay mild, but cloudy with early

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thank you both very much for coming in. She only died at so soon after

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the death. Why have you decided to come and talk so obviously our

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condolences to you. It cannot be easy coming out and talking so soon

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after the death. Why have you decided to come and it is so hard,

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we would not want anyone to go it is our way of dealing with it, as long

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as we can raise awareness and no one else has to go through it, because

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it is heartbreaking, it is so hard, we would not want anyone to go

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through take us back, Josh, because she was having symptoms for some

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time before the cervical cancer tell us when she was initially concerned

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and what seemed to be wrongAmber was a very private person anyway, but

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from late teens she was concerned about different. She knew her body,

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she knew something wasn't right and she kept going to the doctor, to the

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GP. She knew her body, she knew something wasn't right and she kept

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going to the doctor, to is a water infection, it is the bill, your

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hormones, your age, anything to get her out, sometimes it was just, this

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must be how it is, and nothing was changing saying, there is something

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not right, can we check this? She was constantly told, it is a water

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infection, it is the Bill, your hormones, your age, anything to get

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her out, sometimes it was just, this must be how it is, and nothing was

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as sisters, was she talking to you about it, Cameronhad been there for

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weeks on end we did not really speak, because she did not want to,

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so we just acted not really, even when she came back from hospital

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after she had been there for weeks on end we did not really speak,

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because she did not want to, so we just acted which is quite natural,

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everybody handles these situations point where she wanted a cervical

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smear to cervical cancer, what had made her feel that she should have

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that test? How old was she at that stage in her case, Josh, it got to

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the point where she wanted a cervical smear detestable cervical

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cancer, what had made her feel that she should have that test? How old

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was she at that stageI don't think we ever thought it would come back

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that she did have cervical cancer, because you are led to believe that,

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oh, no, it is 25 and over, it is so rare, so you do believe what you are

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told from the she was looking online and reading symptoms and wanted to

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rule it out, she was only 21. She was asking before 21, that is when

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she got it, at 21, but she wanted to rule it out for so long, I don't

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think we ever thought it would come back that she did have cervical

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cancer, because you are led to believe that, oh, no, it is 25 and

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over, it is so rare, so you do believe what you are told from the

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people you put your trust into with your when she talked to the GP and

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said she wanted a cervical smear, what was she toldwould get wrong

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readings from the cells she was told she was not 25 and it would do more

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harm than good because they would get wrong readings from the cells

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and even though she had symptoms that caused her to make a link when

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she looked it up onlineopportunity to say, we will rule it the GP said,

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no, it will be your hormones, the Bill, water infections, she was

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never even given the opportunity to say, we will rule it she was just

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told, paid for a Private smear test, hoping to rule it out, but in the

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end, she paid for a Private smear test, hoping to rule it out, her and

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all of you, she was so young got the devastating news that it was

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cervical cancer, it must have been devastating for her and all of you,

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she was so youngby the time we found out she had had it for two to four

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years, so it was, there were more implications and stuck, by the time

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we that had the most effect, that she could not have kids because they

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had found out so late she cannot have kids, and that was a massive

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issue, that have the most effect, that she could not have kids because

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they had found out so how frustrating was it to know that she

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had had the tumour between two and four years and had been flagging

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this up as an issuenot like she had not had the symptoms, she was trying

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do you believe she might still be alive... 100%. If she had been given

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that option, what we are trying to push for, even to just rule it out,

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they would have found that she had cervical cancer at a young age, in

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the early stages, and been able to treat it. To leave someone for that

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long... She died at 25, that is the age for a smear, she would never

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have made 25 if we had not gone Private. Cancer does not know age,

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it is not about numbers, it is not when you become 25 all of a sudden

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cancer can enter your body. This is the issue we are trying to raise

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now, people need an option. What do you want the option to be? I

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understand the amount of people who have been in this situation before

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and tried to lower the age to 18 for screening to make it mandatory, that

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is not what I'm aiming for, I want to make it an option for people with

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symptoms who are under 25 and concerned, you don't have to give it

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to everyone under that age but giving to those who are concerned.

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Some GPs have said they would have given her a smear test at that age

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but this is the problem, it is such a grey area and differs from GP2 GP,

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we need an across-the-board guideline to say if someone has

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symptoms, yes, you can refer them from a smear even if they are under

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25. So you think there is a postcode lottery depending on where it

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happens? Definitely. When you say if somebody wants a smear under 25 they

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should get it, would you say that should be based on actual symptoms

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or just if somebody has any concern? I do think it would go down to

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symptoms but I think people would have concerned if they have

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symptoms, I don't think a lot of people are just generally concerned

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they have it for no reason. I don't understand -- I do understand all of

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this, but we want to make it available for people who do have

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symptoms and are concerned, there needs to be a guideline and some

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kind of... Something to allow doctors to put people forward for

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smears because a lot of them feel they are not allowed to. The

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Department of Health says the best clinical evidence, and you have

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alluded to it, says routine screening of women under 25 does

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more harm than good, including false positive results. There is nothing

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more harmful than using your sister at 25 -- losing your sister. I

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challenge anyone to come and stand in front of me who has a daughter,

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anyone related to them at such a young age and said they would be

:22:53.:22:55.

happy for them to lose their life at the age of 25 and stand by the age

:22:56.:22:59.

of 25 for screening. Nothing comes close to it. What do you think about

:23:00.:23:06.

the cut-off age, Cameron? Exactly what Josh Huff said, it is worrying

:23:07.:23:13.

for me, I am not of the age so I will get it privately. You are 19?

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And you will get a Private test and? Yes, as soon as I have had my baby.

:23:19.:23:24.

You are pregnant, when are you due? March, and that was another hard

:23:25.:23:28.

thing, telling Amber, because Josh has just had two babies and with me

:23:29.:23:35.

being pregnant it was hard but Amber because she spoke about pregnancy

:23:36.:23:40.

and stuff... This is what I mean, they don't understand the impact it

:23:41.:23:43.

has on people's lives to tell them, no, you cannot have a smear for that

:23:44.:23:47.

long, then to find out she has cervical cancer, it is not just

:23:48.:23:50.

dealing with the cancer, but her older brother has two kids in two

:23:51.:23:54.

years, her younger sister is pregnant, all this time she is told,

:23:55.:23:58.

because we ignored you for so long you will never have kids. It is not

:23:59.:24:02.

just about battling cancer, it is everything that comes with it, the

:24:03.:24:05.

relationships it will affect and everything. Amber had to basically

:24:06.:24:11.

go through her life... If she was to survive, she would have to tell any

:24:12.:24:17.

potential partner, you are going to be with someone who can never have

:24:18.:24:20.

kids, just because they would not give her a smear when she was

:24:21.:24:26.

concerned. Did you know that it was terminal? Did she talk about that?

:24:27.:24:31.

This is still a grey area because Amber was very Private. There are

:24:32.:24:36.

still bits and pieces going backward and forward as to whether the

:24:37.:24:39.

doctors thought she had four to five years, whether they thought it was

:24:40.:24:43.

treatable. They gave her chemotherapy twice, once for the

:24:44.:24:46.

cervical cancer and once when it spread to her lungs as well. They

:24:47.:24:51.

hoped they got rid of everything but she never got the all clear in the

:24:52.:24:56.

four years she battled it. But Amber may have known in the last few

:24:57.:25:01.

months that it was never going to go away and she was never going to have

:25:02.:25:05.

a full life, but Amber would have kept that to herself. Tell us about

:25:06.:25:11.

Amber. Amber was just Amber, wasn't she?! Yeah, really. She spoke her

:25:12.:25:20.

mind. She was just really one-of-a-kind. Everyone on Facebook

:25:21.:25:24.

and everything that is coming forward now is just saying how

:25:25.:25:30.

lovely she was, she touched so many people's hearts, really. If you ask

:25:31.:25:33.

anyone to describe Amber, they will just say she is just Amber, she is

:25:34.:25:39.

just one-of-a-kind, she speaks her mind, tells you exactly what she

:25:40.:25:43.

thinks, but she is so determined as well. She will really push for

:25:44.:25:47.

something, and that is why we are doing this, because we feel like it

:25:48.:25:53.

is what she would want. She would be very proud of you both. Thank you.

:25:54.:25:57.

Ashburn Medical Centre in Sunderland told us they are unable to comment

:25:58.:26:00.

on individual cases, but are deeply saddened

:26:01.:26:01.

to hear of Amber's death and offer their sincere condolences

:26:02.:26:04.

The Department of Health told us that cervical screening is not

:26:05.:26:07.

offered to under-25s because cervical cancer

:26:08.:26:09.

They added, "The best clinical evidence shows that routine

:26:10.:26:16.

screening of women under 25 actually does more harm than good,

:26:17.:26:18.

We also vaccinate girls with the HPV vaccine which protects against 70%

:26:19.:26:24.

The Department for Transport says it is seeking information from American

:26:25.:26:45.

regulators about claims Fiat Chrysler has been violating

:26:46.:26:50.

pollution laws. Let's talk to Aaron Heslehurst. What has been going on?

:26:51.:26:54.

You have to remember this is all coming out just one day after

:26:55.:26:57.

Volkswagen finally settled in the United States just over $4 billion,

:26:58.:27:03.

so it is the environmental protection in the in the United

:27:04.:27:08.

States, it has accused Fiat Chrysler of using, a similar story, using

:27:09.:27:13.

eight different types of software in thousands of its vehicles, the

:27:14.:27:16.

majority sold in the United States, to basically cheat admissions.

:27:17.:27:24.

Sergio Mattioli, the big boss of Chrysler, has said, if you think

:27:25.:27:31.

this is like a Volkswagen story, this is what he's saying, he is

:27:32.:27:38.

saying it is about 104,000 vehicles in the United States, that is one of

:27:39.:27:42.

them, the Jeep Cherokee, you have also got the Dodge Ram, a pick-up

:27:43.:27:49.

truck, the majority in the United States, I know here in the UK they

:27:50.:27:53.

are asking Fiat Chrysler to take a look at possible cars that we have

:27:54.:27:59.

here in the UK, but it could cost the Environmental Protection Agency

:28:00.:28:02.

has said to Fiat that it could find them about 44,000 US dollars per

:28:03.:28:07.

vehicle, a total of $4.6 billion, and all the experts I have been

:28:08.:28:11.

speaking to this morning, the auto industry experts, have said, we have

:28:12.:28:15.

been waiting for something like this, when the Volkswagen scandal

:28:16.:28:19.

arose, they knew it would not just be one car-maker getting away with

:28:20.:28:21.

this. Thank you very much.

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You are welcome! See you soon.

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Left lying on two hospital chairs in A for 5 hours

:28:28.:28:32.

due to a lack of beds - that's what happened to one little

:28:33.:28:35.

We'll be looking into why it happened.

:28:36.:28:38.

More on the NHS, as it's released its weekly winter figures

:28:39.:28:42.

We'll be talking to an A doctor working on the frontline

:28:43.:28:47.

during one of the busiest winters on record.

:28:48.:28:52.

Gale force winds and high tides are threatening to cause flooding

:28:53.:28:59.

The Environment Agency has issued 11 severe flood warnings,

:29:00.:29:06.

in Essex and East Anglia, meaning danger to life.

:29:07.:29:08.

The army's on standby to help evacuate communities

:29:09.:29:10.

In Scotland, 29 schools have been closed

:29:11.:29:14.

BBC News understands that Christopher Steele,

:29:15.:29:19.

the former British spy who wrote a dossier of lurid claims

:29:20.:29:22.

about Donald Trump, was once hired by the England

:29:23.:29:24.

It's believed he was brought in to investigate allegations

:29:25.:29:29.

of corruption made against world football's governing body,

:29:30.:29:33.

Fifa, and to gather intelligence on rival bids,

:29:34.:29:35.

Talks aimed at re-unifying the island of Cyprus have ended

:29:36.:29:42.

without agreement, but officials plan to

:29:43.:29:44.

The United Nations, which oversaw the talks in Geneva,

:29:45.:29:49.

says a working group will be set up to consider the security concerns

:29:50.:29:52.

of both the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities.

:29:53.:29:55.

The UN Secretary General says he believes a deal on reunifying

:29:56.:29:57.

Fiat Chrysler has been accused of violating US pollution laws. The

:29:58.:30:20.

firm has denied doing anything illegal but its share price has

:30:21.:30:21.

fallen by more than 15%. The number of men in low-paid

:30:22.:30:25.

part-time work has increased New research by the Institute

:30:26.:30:27.

for Fiscal Studies has found that one in five low-paid men

:30:28.:30:34.

between the ages of 25 and 55 now works part-time compared with 1

:30:35.:30:38.

in 20 two decades ago. That's a summary of the latest BBC

:30:39.:30:44.

News - more at 10.00. Let's catch up with the sport.

:30:45.:30:55.

Johanna Konta has won the Sydney International in the last half an

:30:56.:31:00.

hour. The British number one beating Agnieszka Radwanska 6-4, 6-2, the

:31:01.:31:04.

ideal warm up for the Australian open which begins next week. Johanna

:31:05.:31:08.

Konta has been drawn against Kirsten Flipkens in the first round. In the

:31:09.:31:11.

men's draw world number one Andy Murray will play Marchenko of

:31:12.:31:17.

Ukraine. He could face Roger Federer in the final eight. There will be a

:31:18.:31:22.

minute's applause before all English football league matches this weekend

:31:23.:31:25.

in tribute to Graham Taylor. The former England manager died

:31:26.:31:29.

yesterday aged 72. Alastair Cook will meet director of cricket Andrew

:31:30.:31:34.

Strauss today to discuss his future as England captain. Cook has

:31:35.:31:38.

admitted having questions over his role during his side's 4-0 defeat to

:31:39.:31:44.

India. Brian Fletcher, three-time Grand National winner, has died at

:31:45.:31:49.

the age of 69. New Road Red Rum to victory in 1973 and 1974. Former

:31:50.:31:53.

champion jockey Peter Scudamore described him as an unsung hero of

:31:54.:31:59.

sport. Just after 10am I will be joined by former British number one

:32:00.:32:00.

tennis player Greg Rusedski. Korea 11 severe flood warnings in

:32:01.:32:19.

place for coastal areas of Norfolk and Suffolk. 5000 homes around Great

:32:20.:32:29.

Yarmouth are being evacuated. We can speak to a lady who was evacuated

:32:30.:32:34.

from a caravan last night. Good morning, Mary. What happened when

:32:35.:32:37.

you were told you had to leave your caravan? When I went shopping to

:32:38.:32:43.

Morrison's I heard on the radio that they would evacuate everyone at 7am

:32:44.:32:47.

this morning. I unpacked my shopping, had my dinner and went to

:32:48.:32:52.

bed. Then I heard a lot of noise, phoned a neighbour and he asked,

:32:53.:32:56.

where ARU. I said I was in my lodge. He said you've got to get out

:32:57.:32:59.

immediately. I left immediately and came here. They have done everything

:33:00.:33:08.

for us. More importantly, I'm safe. It must have given you a fright to

:33:09.:33:12.

be woken up and told you had to leave straightaway. It was, but, you

:33:13.:33:18.

know, I'm glad I did and that I'm here and safe. What were you told

:33:19.:33:23.

about the risks if you did not leave? They said there was a risk of

:33:24.:33:36.

flooding, and any kind of flooding, I just left immediately, I wouldn't

:33:37.:33:41.

hesitate. So are you now worried for your caravan? Not particularly. As

:33:42.:33:48.

long as I'm safe, I don't care about the caravan. I hope everything is

:33:49.:33:54.

all right. Thank you for talking to us, Mary. Thank you. We will have a

:33:55.:33:57.

full weather update just before 10am.

:33:58.:34:02.

More misery for Southern Rail commuters today.

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Once again they're stuck at home because the drivers are on strike

:34:04.:34:06.

There are more strikes planned later this month in this

:34:07.:34:10.

long-running dispute over staffing levels on trains.

:34:11.:34:11.

So what hope is there for an end to the chaos?

:34:12.:34:14.

And how is it affecting people who rely on the trains?

:34:15.:34:17.

We can speak now to Mick Whelan - General Secretary of Aslef,

:34:18.:34:20.

the train drivers union which has called the strike.

:34:21.:34:22.

And we can also speak to Summer Dean, a passenger and rail

:34:23.:34:25.

campaigner with the Association of British Commuters, and commuters

:34:26.:34:33.

We invited Chris Grayling and the Department for Transport

:34:34.:34:42.

They declined saying the minister did not have any time

:34:43.:34:46.

We also invited Southern and Govia Thameslink Railway,

:34:47.:34:49.

which owns Southern, onto the programme.

:34:50.:34:50.

We will come to some and Brad first. In a word, can you sum up what it's

:34:51.:35:07.

like commuting on Southern rail? Every day disruption, that's two

:35:08.:35:13.

words, but it's not just on strike days. I'm eager to get that point

:35:14.:35:19.

across. And Brad, sum it up in a word? Soul destroying, if that's

:35:20.:35:24.

just one word. As some are mentioned, it's everyday, and that

:35:25.:35:29.

compounds and it becomes daily. Fill in some more detail. How long have

:35:30.:35:34.

the problems been going on and describe exactly what the problems

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are for you. This is going back easily a year. It's been getting

:35:41.:35:46.

progressively worse and worse. The disruption is all the time. Four

:35:47.:35:53.

hour commute homes. Cancellations. Everything being blamed on overtime

:35:54.:35:59.

bans. When Govia took over the contract there were already staffing

:36:00.:36:04.

problems, short-staffed. Those have got worse. Before the overtime

:36:05.:36:08.

kicked in on the 6th of December, the situation was disastrous. We

:36:09.:36:13.

were seeing many cancellations. The situation isn't much worse now with

:36:14.:36:21.

the overtime ban, to be honest. Who do you identify as being effectively

:36:22.:36:25.

to blame? Is there one party in particular? Where would you pin the

:36:26.:36:31.

blame? Looking at the BBC debate earlier in the week and the fact

:36:32.:36:35.

Chris Grayling hasn't made time, yet again, to turn up to a key

:36:36.:36:38.

discussion on the matter, he needs to make time to talk this out. The

:36:39.:36:43.

ball falls firmly in their court. The government are pulling the

:36:44.:36:45.

strings here, and they have the power to step in and sort it out. We

:36:46.:36:51.

believe... If Chris Grayling isn't up to doing this, he should step

:36:52.:36:55.

aside and let someone else take over. Some are, what would you say?

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I absolutely echo what Brad said there. We know Chris Grayling was

:37:02.:37:05.

invited onto your show this morning. He's busy. Busy doing what? The

:37:06.:37:11.

prime economic region in the country is in meltdown. People can't get to

:37:12.:37:15.

work and they can't get home. And that's everyday, not just strike

:37:16.:37:19.

days. And Chris Grayling is too busy to make a public performance, appear

:37:20.:37:25.

in front of the media and the people addressed affected every day. I

:37:26.:37:28.

personally think that shows he's out of touch the people who experience

:37:29.:37:34.

this. It's an absolute lack of respect. We have essentially begged

:37:35.:37:37.

Chris Grayling and the Department for Transport to step in. People

:37:38.:37:42.

feel like there's no hope. The Association of British commuters are

:37:43.:37:46.

pursuing gay judiciary review which I will be able to talk about later

:37:47.:37:50.

in the month against the Department for Transport. -- are pursuing a

:37:51.:37:54.

judiciary review. Where is Chris Grayling and why does he feel the

:37:55.:37:58.

public so badly Busted you both put the blame at Chris Grayling's door?

:37:59.:38:04.

Do either of you blame the union for walking out? I think it's really,

:38:05.:38:11.

really important to realise that the disruption that's everyday is a far

:38:12.:38:15.

wider issue than the current industrial dispute. As Brad said a

:38:16.:38:24.

moment ago, we know there was an unsustainable level of reliance on

:38:25.:38:29.

rest days working. We knew that's two years ago. We can't just put the

:38:30.:38:32.

terrible service and destruction down to the industrial dispute. It's

:38:33.:38:36.

a much wider issue is something that falls at the door of Chris Grayling

:38:37.:38:39.

and he needs to step up and sort it out. Before I bring in Mick Whelan

:38:40.:38:46.

from Aslef, a quick thought from Brad? I think the strikes are a

:38:47.:38:51.

symptom and not a cause of the problem. That's key in this. The

:38:52.:38:54.

whole accessibility issue is not being looked at. We had a local

:38:55.:38:59.

resident stuck on a freezing cold platform for two hours earlier this

:39:00.:39:03.

week because she couldn't board the train and the driver risked

:39:04.:39:06.

discipline in helping her. The same thing happened the following day.

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Policies are not working. The whole role that needs to be frozen while

:39:11.:39:15.

we have a full public independent enquiry. We shouldn't be making

:39:16.:39:18.

shouts on whether it's right or wrong. The government should be

:39:19.:39:22.

stepping in and putting in place a full public enquiry. Bringing in

:39:23.:39:27.

Mick Whelan, general secretary of Aslef. Two commuters who have

:39:28.:39:30.

sympathy with the union, blaming Chris Grayling for not fixing the

:39:31.:39:36.

mess. A lot of commuters might not be quite so sympathetic, because

:39:37.:39:40.

it's affecting lives on a daily basis. Naturally. If I was paying

:39:41.:39:44.

the level of fares and expecting a service and I wasn't getting it, and

:39:45.:39:49.

I can't get to work, I can't get my children to school, I struggle to

:39:50.:39:51.

get to a medical appointment, I would quite rightly look at my

:39:52.:39:58.

personal circumstances and be angry. We spend a lot of time trying to

:39:59.:40:03.

grow the industry, making it safer, campaigning for better investment,

:40:04.:40:06.

better trains, green opportunities on freight and rail. Most of the

:40:07.:40:11.

time we find ourselves not its dice, the general public agree with us.

:40:12.:40:14.

The polls on what we are saying agree with us. We only do this as a

:40:15.:40:19.

last resort. Let's focus on the safety issue. The row is about

:40:20.:40:23.

driver only operated trains. The rail safety regulator says they are

:40:24.:40:29.

safe. The national body has been very careful on two occasions. And I

:40:30.:40:34.

have great faith in the Her Majesty'sInspector of railways. He

:40:35.:40:38.

said if you do all the right things, the equipment and training is right,

:40:39.:40:42.

it can be safe. He put that in the report done recently at short

:40:43.:40:45.

notice. He also said in the report that the training had been done,

:40:46.:40:50.

lighting in certain areas had been done and the equipment wasn't up to

:40:51.:40:54.

spec. He didn't threaten to take their franchise away. Where we have

:40:55.:40:56.

been saying in the last nine months we don't believe due diligence has

:40:57.:41:03.

been carried out, and the technology being used, cannot be relied upon...

:41:04.:41:08.

What's the way through it? If those elements are addressed, are you

:41:09.:41:12.

saying you would be happy for driver only operated trains? We have other

:41:13.:41:18.

issues with that. The whole industry has been looking at certain issues.

:41:19.:41:24.

We also feel in the 21st-century post-Brussels and Paris, and in an

:41:25.:41:29.

area where sexual assaults in the railway have gone up 200% in the

:41:30.:41:33.

last year, you can't have 12 car trains with 1000 people on the

:41:34.:41:36.

train, 30 deep on a platform and one person to look after them, whose

:41:37.:41:40.

role isn't actually to look after them. It happens on the London

:41:41.:41:44.

Underground? The London Underground has stations every two minutes and

:41:45.:41:48.

the stations are man. We have heard from the experience of disabled

:41:49.:41:51.

commuters and others, that the railway hasn't got that. There will

:41:52.:41:56.

be peak times when trains are round, and other times much less so. Would

:41:57.:42:00.

a way through the two effectively enable there to be a trial of driver

:42:01.:42:06.

only operated trains on the less busy times? I think people want to

:42:07.:42:11.

be confidence at any time of day. We are heavily reliant on tourism and

:42:12.:42:17.

other areas. 73% of the public in a recent poll said they wanted a

:42:18.:42:21.

safety critical person on every train. We are reflecting the views

:42:22.:42:25.

of the public, and primarily reflect the views of the 19,000 men and

:42:26.:42:29.

women who drive trains every day and say they don't feel safe and they

:42:30.:42:33.

can't be extended any further. It sounds like there is absolutely no

:42:34.:42:38.

room for compromise? There is room for compromise. That would be to

:42:39.:42:43.

have a safety integral person on every train and give us the

:42:44.:42:46.

confidence in technology that we can't rely on. If this wasn't --

:42:47.:42:52.

this wasn't a dispute about money, it was about terms and conditions.

:42:53.:42:57.

People could have said we are being greedy, but this is not as arguing.

:42:58.:43:02.

We will have more train drivers in the 21st century, not less, because

:43:03.:43:06.

there will be more trains. We argue on behalf of the travelling public

:43:07.:43:09.

and our drivers for safety. How long will the dispute go on? I've been

:43:10.:43:14.

living in hope for nine months now that somebody could sit round the

:43:15.:43:17.

table with me and do a deal and reach an agreement. We want to

:43:18.:43:21.

reiterate, as our two colleagues on the link have said, that we have

:43:22.:43:26.

only just come to the fray. This was failing before this. They couldn't

:43:27.:43:30.

deliver services. We now find out they rely on 25% of services on the

:43:31.:43:36.

goodwill of my numbers. That means they 300 driver shot. The people

:43:37.:43:39.

running the franchise were the people it before. They've had it for

:43:40.:43:45.

14 years. Part of the problem is the people who have been granted the

:43:46.:43:48.

franchise and their failure to resource it properly, regardless of

:43:49.:43:52.

what they say. Thank you all very much. Let us know your thoughts. The

:43:53.:43:55.

usual ways of getting in touch. Earlier this week reported record

:43:56.:44:12.

numbers of patients have been facing record waits for beds when admitted

:44:13.:44:17.

to hospital for emergency cases. Doctors and nurses have also said

:44:18.:44:20.

that conditions in the health service the worst they've

:44:21.:44:25.

experienced. The government has admitted the NHS is under pressure

:44:26.:44:28.

but is rejecting demands for extra funding to deal with what some are

:44:29.:44:33.

describing as a winter crisis. The BBC has been covering the pressures

:44:34.:44:36.

facing the health service all week but perhaps one of the most stark

:44:37.:44:40.

examples showing the kinds of life and death decisions NHS staff have

:44:41.:44:45.

to make everyday was in the BBC to documentary Hospital, filmed in

:44:46.:44:48.

Paddington. We can play some of that to you now.

:44:49.:44:58.

The surgeon begins the operation. We are going to remove the part of the

:44:59.:45:05.

bowel with the cancer in and the adjacent blood supply so that we can

:45:06.:45:08.

take any lymph glands that may or may not be affected by the cancer,

:45:09.:45:11.

then we will join them back together again.

:45:12.:45:20.

Ball hours later, the tumour is out and the operation is over. Why

:45:21.:45:26.

should I feel victorious that I am just allowed to do what I should

:45:27.:45:31.

have started doing at 8am? It is because the beds are so bad at the

:45:32.:45:35.

moment that it seems rare to be allowed to actually go ahead and do

:45:36.:45:44.

an operation. Very bizarre. The emergency patient from Norfolk is an

:45:45.:45:47.

hour away. The team doesn't know if she will survive the journey. The

:45:48.:45:52.

risk we run here is we are holding a bed for a patient who hasn't even

:45:53.:45:57.

made it into the organisation yet, and not going ahead with patients

:45:58.:46:06.

who are already here. Do you have to do this for people every day,

:46:07.:46:14.

struggling with socks?! The two people I'm kicking out from ICU, one

:46:15.:46:19.

of them I'm not really that comfortable with, I don't have a

:46:20.:46:23.

guaranteed bed for anybody at the moment, so I might get one or both

:46:24.:46:29.

of them out but... If you're patient leads, do you think you will have a

:46:30.:46:37.

space? If the patient doesn't survive from Norfolk, maybe, but we

:46:38.:46:42.

cannot predicate. The only think you can do is wait, but I don't think

:46:43.:46:44.

the odds are very good. We don't have enough slack

:46:45.:46:49.

in our capacity to be able to let Prof Hanna go ahead

:46:50.:46:52.

and do the esophagectomy. What's hard about this is that we're

:46:53.:46:56.

also talking about, "Well, we can go ahead and do it

:46:57.:46:59.

if the patient from Norwich doesn't survive the journey," and that's

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a very hard and callous-sounding thing to be talking about,

:47:05.:47:08.

but that's the practical reality. They have this patient coming

:47:09.:47:17.

in who might require If they die, then the bed

:47:18.:47:20.

is available for me. We've heard the blaming

:47:21.:47:25.

of the Government and claims that there's just not enough money -

:47:26.:47:53.

but what's the solution as the situation to save our

:47:54.:47:56.

healthcare system as it stands? Let's talk now to Richard

:47:57.:48:02.

Murray, who is director Meg Hillier is a Labour MP and chair

:48:03.:48:04.

of the Public Accounts Committee. Joining us from Leicester

:48:05.:48:08.

is Conservative MP for North West Also here with us is A doctor

:48:09.:48:11.

Claire Bronze who says the nhs Meg Hillier, that documentary is

:48:12.:48:24.

extraordinary, isn't it, and to see two top surgeons both in a position

:48:25.:48:29.

to actually operate, effectively having to haggle over a bed and who

:48:30.:48:33.

gets to operate, what is your reaction? It is shocking and

:48:34.:48:37.

highlights the impact this has on patients and on their care and life

:48:38.:48:41.

chances when it comes to the crunch. It is important that we recognise

:48:42.:48:45.

the current situation but also, as you say, need to look at a long-term

:48:46.:48:49.

solution for the health service. The danger is if we are having a crisis

:48:50.:48:53.

like this, we are not having a proper discussion about how the

:48:54.:48:59.

health service should be fit for purpose long term. Andrew, what is

:49:00.:49:02.

your reaction to that and how would you describe what is going on in the

:49:03.:49:07.

health service more broadly? Well, the health service is under acute

:49:08.:49:11.

pressure at the moment. We have got various reasons why lots of people

:49:12.:49:18.

are attending A But at the end of the day we need a seven-day NHS to

:49:19.:49:23.

spread out the peaks and troughs. We have an ageing population, more

:49:24.:49:27.

procedures, increasing longevity and a growing population, this is

:49:28.:49:33.

putting pressure on services. Let's bring in Richard Murray from the

:49:34.:49:36.

King 's fund, because there are so many things going on at the moment,

:49:37.:49:43.

it is quite difficult to unpick. You are the overview, looking at the

:49:44.:49:47.

statistics, effectively. We have the social care crisis causing people to

:49:48.:49:50.

remain in bed after they should be able to be released from hospital,

:49:51.:49:55.

and obviously seasonal issues as well and an ageing population. How

:49:56.:50:00.

do you unpick what the issue is, and is it temporarily or much more

:50:01.:50:04.

fundamental? To jump straight to the chase it is much more fundamental.

:50:05.:50:08.

As the years go by more people arrive at hospital, more people need

:50:09.:50:09.

to be admitted to hospital, if you do not have

:50:10.:50:27.

services in the community to slow that down, to keep them well for

:50:28.:50:30.

longer, then the hospital ends up being the canary in the coal mine,

:50:31.:50:33.

it is where people will show up in the system that has been made more

:50:34.:50:36.

severe by finding it difficult to discharge people quickly. It is not

:50:37.:50:38.

just social care but also accessing the health service outside the

:50:39.:50:40.

hospital, getting to see your GP at the right time to see you well, but

:50:41.:50:43.

I think the good thing is knowing some of the things we need to do to

:50:44.:50:46.

try to improve those services outside of hospital settings. The

:50:47.:50:48.

difficulty is doing it, the difficulty is doing it quickly, and

:50:49.:50:51.

it is probably too late for this winter, but for years ahead how we

:50:52.:50:54.

make sure the investment goes in the right price. Andrew, is Theresa May,

:50:55.:50:59.

the Government, in denial about what is going on? We saw Prime Minister's

:51:00.:51:04.

Questions earlier in the week, Theresa May asked in particular

:51:05.:51:07.

about a case of a little boy called Jack who is in one of the papers

:51:08.:51:12.

today, who had to wait for five hours in A because there was no

:51:13.:51:15.

bed for him, his parents made a makeshift bed out of chairs and she

:51:16.:51:20.

said in the House of Commons that it was one of a small number of

:51:21.:51:25.

instances affecting the NHS, and pointed to the wider funding. It led

:51:26.:51:29.

Jeremy Corbyn to say she just doesn't get it. I think Theresa May

:51:30.:51:34.

does get it and she is very committed to dealing with mental

:51:35.:51:38.

health so that keeps those people out of A, which is not the right

:51:39.:51:43.

place for them. It is not all about money. Evidence we are seeing is

:51:44.:51:47.

that half of all the delayed discharges from hospitals are down

:51:48.:51:53.

to just 24 local authorities, so we need to look at what is going wrong

:51:54.:51:58.

there and get their systems sorted so that they are all operating on

:51:59.:52:05.

best practice. Clare, you are an A doctor, are you seeing particularly

:52:06.:52:09.

unusual pressures at the moment? Yes, I would say we are. I have

:52:10.:52:14.

worked in the NHS in total for 17 years, eight of those as a doctor,

:52:15.:52:18.

and in my experience and the experience of lots of friends I have

:52:19.:52:22.

spoken to, although we always get winter pressures, we do always

:52:23.:52:26.

experienced times where we cannot keep up with the demand, we are all

:52:27.:52:30.

seeing at the moment at particular difficult time. Can you give us some

:52:31.:52:38.

examples? I have come straight from a night shift last night, most of

:52:39.:52:42.

the night was a five or six hour wait, I left the department with

:52:43.:52:46.

about 12 patients waiting for beds on boards and I would say last night

:52:47.:52:50.

was the best shift I have done for a few weeks. I have done shift

:52:51.:52:54.

recently where we have had nine hour wait at a time to see a doctor, we

:52:55.:52:58.

have had patients in the department on trolleys for over 30 hours at a

:52:59.:53:03.

time, and obviously if there are no beds in the hospital, and all of

:53:04.:53:08.

those beds in A are taken up with patients waiting to go to the ward,

:53:09.:53:12.

it gives is no space to see the patients coming into the A and we

:53:13.:53:16.

end up with queues of ambulances out the door. So, can patient safety be

:53:17.:53:21.

guaranteed in those situations? It is difficult, the staff are all

:53:22.:53:26.

doing everything they can, people are working as hard as they possibly

:53:27.:53:32.

can. Most of my colleagues are not taking breaks, not leaving on time,

:53:33.:53:35.

they are trying to find space wherever they possibly can to fit

:53:36.:53:40.

extra patients in, but I do think there comes a point where you have

:53:41.:53:46.

to worry about patient safety, and we have to think about, although we

:53:47.:53:50.

are managing at the moment, we have heard from stories in the media of

:53:51.:53:56.

deaths on trolleys in corridors, and for many of us we are worrying that

:53:57.:53:59.

is going to become the bigger picture and that is going to become

:54:00.:54:04.

a common occurrence. Meg Hillier, is it time to question whether the NHS

:54:05.:54:09.

can actually offer everything it is offering? We have heard this

:54:10.:54:12.

candidate from the leaders of the NHS this week in my committee that

:54:13.:54:15.

no, they cannot keep providing everything they can with the money

:54:16.:54:20.

they have got, and the plans to transform local health services are

:54:21.:54:23.

being implemented while also requiring a

:54:24.:54:47.

4% per year efficiency saving and they pretty much at knowledge that

:54:48.:54:52.

is just too tight, it is part of the reason we have the problems we have

:54:53.:54:54.

now. You cannot look at changing and transforming services to deal with,

:54:55.:54:56.

as Richard said, an ageing and growing population if you are just

:54:57.:54:59.

firefighting like fire and her colleagues are now. That is the

:55:00.:55:01.

challenge, the Government has to acknowledge there is a crisis right

:55:02.:55:04.

now and we have to resolve that in order to have a proper long-term

:55:05.:55:06.

solution for the NHS. It is not an easy issue to resolve, but in a

:55:07.:55:09.

broadbrush sense what would you define as the key to looking at

:55:10.:55:12.

this? If you just keep adding more money, it is a bottomless pit.

:55:13.:55:14.

Anywhere in any system there will be efficiency opportunities and

:55:15.:55:16.

different ways of doing things to meet the needs of patients to help

:55:17.:55:19.

us stay well. While we are sitting here during your show, we get ten

:55:20.:55:21.

minutes extra life, life expectancy is going up at that rate, but that

:55:22.:55:26.

will probably bring three health conditions to live with, so we have

:55:27.:55:32.

two prevent those things long-term. We need a longer term view to invest

:55:33.:55:36.

to save money but also better patient care and support for modern

:55:37.:55:39.

medicine, and if we don't have that long-term view, we will really fail.

:55:40.:55:44.

The problem is the Government does not recognise the problem now and we

:55:45.:55:47.

will never have proper cross-party consensus, chopping and changing, so

:55:48.:55:50.

we have to get to the point where we all agree how we are going to fund

:55:51.:55:54.

the NHS, what level and what services the NHS will provide. Do

:55:55.:56:00.

you think services need to be cut? No, there is definite need at the

:56:01.:56:04.

moment for investment. You would like the NHS to continue to do

:56:05.:56:08.

everything it is currently doing? Oh, that is a political decision

:56:09.:56:12.

that will have to be made, the Government has not yet indicated

:56:13.:56:16.

anything would be removed. You are a Labour MP, what is your perspective?

:56:17.:56:21.

The NHS is there to provide health care free at the point of delivery,

:56:22.:56:25.

and if we make the population, if the population gets better then we

:56:26.:56:29.

will have fewer of these conditions being dealt with, and that is one of

:56:30.:56:33.

the ways of trying to tackle the demand. Andrew Bridge and, should

:56:34.:56:37.

the NHS stop offering everything it is offering? No, but we need to,

:56:38.:56:44.

primary care is cheaper, I just wonder, Philip Dunn, the hospital

:56:45.:56:49.

minister last week, I asked if they have figures of people presenting at

:56:50.:56:53.

A you have no access to a GP or perhaps are not even registered, and

:56:54.:56:56.

they will go to A because they know they will get care because the

:56:57.:57:01.

lights are always on, and that is putting pressure on hard-working

:57:02.:57:05.

doctors and nurses who are already working very hard.

:57:06.:57:08.

Thank you all very much, it is a subject we will no doubt keep on

:57:09.:57:10.

returning to. Thank you all for your time.

:57:11.:57:22.

Let us your thoughts as well. Let's catch up with the latest weather

:57:23.:57:24.

update with Sarah Keith Lucas. Obviously there is some pretty awful

:57:25.:57:27.

weather out there, bring us up to date. Yes, we have four seasons in

:57:28.:57:35.

one day, we have snow, ice, sunshine, flooding in some eastern

:57:36.:57:39.

areas as well. Did the Thunder snow happen? We did

:57:40.:57:44.

get some thunder with the snow in the north-west yesterday, we have

:57:45.:57:48.

had some big cumulonimbus clouds, cold conditions and snow falling at

:57:49.:57:51.

the same time so we have had it all and we are not out of the woods yet.

:57:52.:57:55.

Why is it like this, so many different things at once?

:57:56.:57:59.

We have a plunge of cold air from the Arctic, that has brought down

:58:00.:58:02.

the temperatures and we are also seeing an area of low pressure

:58:03.:58:05.

pushing down the east coast as well. That will combine with high tide, so

:58:06.:58:11.

you might have noticed a big full moon at the moment coincided with

:58:12.:58:14.

particularly high tides, so down the east coast that is the main issue,

:58:15.:58:20.

strong winds can kind -- combined with high tides.

:58:21.:58:23.

How long will it last? We are not out of the woods yet, as

:58:24.:58:28.

we were saying. Let's talk at some of the scenes sent in by our Weather

:58:29.:58:33.

Watchers this morning, this was Croydon, a few centimetres of lying

:58:34.:58:36.

snow there to the south of London. Elsewhere across the country we have

:58:37.:58:40.

had some disruption on the roads, this is how things were looking in

:58:41.:58:43.

Staffordshire earlier in the morning, some icing is, some snow

:58:44.:58:47.

around on the roads as well, but some of us catching some very scenic

:58:48.:58:52.

conditions, this was Perthshire, some sunshine although things are

:58:53.:59:02.

cold with all of that smoke above. Through the day, this frontal system

:59:03.:59:04.

is pushing south, it is bringing sleet and snow across East Anglia

:59:05.:59:06.

and the south-east, to the north-west of the country snow

:59:07.:59:09.

showers as well. The isobars in the east, that is where we have the

:59:10.:59:13.

strong wind and severe of -- risk of severe flooding. Warnings from the

:59:14.:59:19.

Environment Agency in force at the moment. As we had through the day,

:59:20.:59:22.

strong northerly winds, particularly down the East Coast, and quite a lot

:59:23.:59:30.

of wintry sunshine on offer. We will have some more showers of sleet and

:59:31.:59:33.

snow across parts of Northern Ireland into northern and western

:59:34.:59:36.

Scotland, much of southern Scotland luck strike, that is where we have

:59:37.:59:41.

the strongest wind in the East, several eastern Scotland and the

:59:42.:59:44.

East Coast of England. Towards Wales, sleet and snow accumulating

:59:45.:59:48.

through the day, could get the odd snow shower across the moors of the

:59:49.:59:51.

south-west, but moving eastwards across England it is going to be the

:59:52.:59:55.

strength of the wind that causes problems, combined with the high

:59:56.:59:59.

tide. Around and again around midnight across parts of East Anglia

:00:00.:00:05.

in particular. As we move through this evening and overnight, the wind

:00:06.:00:09.

tends to ease, we are in for a cold night. By the early hours of the

:00:10.:00:13.

morning we could see temperatures subzero in the towns and cities but

:00:14.:00:18.

in the countryside as low as -7, even -10 where we have the snow

:00:19.:00:22.

cover in rural Scotland. Through tomorrow, still some snow showers to

:00:23.:00:26.

the east, things. To turn milder in the West, some sunshine and light

:00:27.:00:30.

winds, and temperatures generally warmer than today, up to around two

:00:31.:00:32.

to 6 degrees. People living in coastal areas in

:00:33.:00:46.

the east of England are being warned to stay vigilant because of gale

:00:47.:00:49.

force winds and high tides forecast for later today.

:00:50.:00:54.

There are 11 severe flood warnings in the area,

:00:55.:00:56.

Amber Cliff died of cervical cancer, aged just 25.

:00:57.:00:59.

Her family say she'd repeatedly asked for tests

:01:00.:01:01.

We will ask if screening should be offered to younger women. The number

:01:02.:01:17.

of men in part-time work as risen dramatically in the last 20 years

:01:18.:01:22.

according to a new study. We will look at the figures. Let's catch up

:01:23.:01:27.

with all the news with Anita. Labour's Tristram Hunt is to stand

:01:28.:01:31.

down as an MP to become the director The resignation of the former shadow

:01:32.:01:34.

education secretary will trigger a by-election in

:01:35.:01:39.

Stoke-on-Trent Central. Let's get more from Carole

:01:40.:01:43.

Walker at Westminster. This job sounds right up the street

:01:44.:01:55.

of Tristram Hunt, who is an historian. But what sort of problems

:01:56.:02:01.

does it cause for Jeremy Corbyn? You're right, I'm sure Tristram Hunt

:02:02.:02:06.

will find this a hugely satisfying and challenging position. It fits

:02:07.:02:10.

very much with his background as a historian. He has recently completed

:02:11.:02:16.

his latest book. But it's a huge challenge for Labour to see if they

:02:17.:02:19.

can hold onto this seat Stoke-on-Trent. It's not the first

:02:20.:02:25.

MP to resign from the Labour Party in recent weeks. We had Jamie Reid,

:02:26.:02:30.

which has triggered a by-election in Copeland, which will be an important

:02:31.:02:34.

test for the Jeremy Corbyn leadership. He now faces another

:02:35.:02:40.

test in Stoke, a place where at the last election, Ukip made significant

:02:41.:02:45.

gains to come neck and neck in second place with the Conservatives.

:02:46.:02:51.

In the last few minutes we've had a resignation letter from Tristram

:02:52.:02:56.

Hunt. It should be said that he's somebody who was Shadow Education

:02:57.:03:01.

Secretary, but resigned from that position when Jeremy Corbyn became

:03:02.:03:07.

leader. It's clear he has not been comfortable with many of the things

:03:08.:03:11.

Jeremy Corbyn stands for. It's interesting that in his letter he

:03:12.:03:15.

says that he has no desire to rock the boat. And anyone who interprets

:03:16.:03:21.

the decision to leave in that way would be just plain wrong. But he

:03:22.:03:27.

does talk about how his time in Parliament has been both rewarding

:03:28.:03:32.

and frustrating. He says he's proud of his work, but also frustrated

:03:33.:03:37.

that he hasn't been able to do more to alleviate the poverty and

:03:38.:03:39.

inequality and lack of social mobility. He says the frustration

:03:40.:03:45.

came with an inability to address these factors and implement our

:03:46.:03:49.

policy programme following our defeat in 2015, and more broadly,

:03:50.:03:54.

how the Labour Party should respond to be social, cultural and economic

:03:55.:04:00.

forces that have rocked mainstream social Democratic and Socialist

:04:01.:04:02.

parties right across the world. So, he says he wouldn't have left his

:04:03.:04:07.

job in Parliament for any other job. He's very keen indeed to continue to

:04:08.:04:13.

look at these wider questions in his role as director of the V But

:04:14.:04:20.

this is another serious blow to the Labour Party. Another sign that some

:04:21.:04:26.

of those mainstream, more centrist MPs are looking at life outside

:04:27.:04:30.

parliament because they are simply not comfortable in Jeremy Corbyn's

:04:31.:04:31.

Labour Party. Severe flood warnings in place on

:04:32.:04:41.

the east coast of England amid fears thousands of homes are at risk of a

:04:42.:04:45.

storm surge. The Environment Agency has issued 11 severe flood warnings

:04:46.:04:54.

indicating a danger to life. Near Clacton in Essex people have been

:04:55.:04:55.

advised to move to safety. A man who lost his sister

:04:56.:04:59.

to cervical cancer is calling for the age of testing women

:05:00.:05:02.

for the disease should be lowered. Amber Cliff was diagnosed

:05:03.:05:04.

with cervical cancer at 21. She died at the age of 25 -

:05:05.:05:07.

the age when smear tests Her brother Josh told this

:05:08.:05:10.

programme that the age She would never have made 25

:05:11.:05:13.

if we hadn't have went private. Cancer doesn't know age,

:05:14.:05:23.

it's not about numbers and age. It's not when you become 25

:05:24.:05:27.

all of a sudden cancer can This is the issue we're

:05:28.:05:30.

trying to raise now. A toddler with suspected meningitis

:05:31.:05:34.

lay on a makeshift bed of two chairs while he waited for several hours

:05:35.:05:38.

in A to be seen by a doctor, Rose Newman, from Eastbourne,

:05:39.:05:41.

told The Mirror her one year old son Jack,

:05:42.:05:46.

was forced to wait for five hours after he was rushed

:05:47.:05:54.

to Conquest Hospital in Hastings. The incident was raised

:05:55.:05:56.

at Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday by leader

:05:57.:05:58.

of the opposition Jeremy Corbyn. Ms Newman says doctors

:05:59.:06:00.

told her it was not I asked one of the doctors

:06:01.:06:02.

if it was just an unusually busy night as to why we couldn't get seen

:06:03.:06:06.

for five hours and she said, "No, And I said, you know,

:06:07.:06:10.

"Why is there no bed for him?" And she said "There just

:06:11.:06:14.

are no beds, that's how it So it doesn't really bode

:06:15.:06:17.

well for the future. Will have more details on this later

:06:18.:06:21.

in the hour. In a statement, East Sussex NHS

:06:22.:06:24.

Trust said that had it been clinically necessary for Jack to be

:06:25.:06:27.

admitted to a bed in the hospital The number of men in low-paid

:06:28.:06:30.

part-time work has increased New research by the Institute

:06:31.:06:35.

for Fiscal Studies has found that one in five low-paid men,

:06:36.:06:39.

between the ages of 25 and 55, now works part time compared with 1

:06:40.:06:42.

in 20 two decades ago. Just after 10:30, Joanna will be

:06:43.:06:45.

discussing this further with those who find themselves

:06:46.:06:48.

in part-time work. If you are one of those men in

:06:49.:07:01.

part-time work on low paid, and you have a strong view on it, letters

:07:02.:07:03.

know your thoughts. Do get in touch with us

:07:04.:07:07.

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

:07:08.:07:09.

and If you text, you will be charged Let's catch up with the sport.

:07:10.:07:18.

Australian open gets underway in just three days. There will be at

:07:19.:07:22.

least seven Britons in the main singles draw including world number

:07:23.:07:25.

one Andy Murray and world number ten Johanna Konta, who this morning

:07:26.:07:30.

storms to her second tour title, winning the Sydney International.

:07:31.:07:34.

Joining me from our London studio is former British number one Greg

:07:35.:07:37.

Rusedski. Watching Johanna Konta this morning, she was in such

:07:38.:07:42.

impressive form. Perfect preparation for the Australian open. Could this

:07:43.:07:46.

be the year she makes first grand slam final? There is a good

:07:47.:07:56.

opportunity for her to get to the final. She played great this season

:07:57.:07:59.

so far. She made the semis in China, and she went back in Sydney beating

:08:00.:08:02.

the number three seed. She has a new coach who has worked with Kim

:08:03.:08:04.

Clijsters and Victoria Azarenka, so has experience of becoming a grand

:08:05.:08:07.

slam champion. But C has to do it that way. She has Flipkens in the

:08:08.:08:12.

first round, she could meet Serena Williams in the quarters. We know

:08:13.:08:17.

the Australian open draw has been made. Andy Murray will come up

:08:18.:08:23.

against the Ukraine's Marchenko in the opening round. How much will the

:08:24.:08:26.

recent defeat to Djokovic have affected him? It helped to Novak to

:08:27.:08:32.

win that match because Murray had a psychological edge over him by

:08:33.:08:34.

winning the end of season finals in the final match of the year to

:08:35.:08:38.

finish world number one. If we look at the Australian open at the

:08:39.:08:43.

moment, it's a 50-50, between Andy and Novak. I think this is Andy

:08:44.:08:49.

Murray's time now, having been in five titles, but never won it, he

:08:50.:08:53.

will want to win it for the first time. Djokovic has the record shared

:08:54.:09:00.

by winning it six times. He will hope to break that. But Djokovic has

:09:01.:09:05.

a really brutal opener against Fernando Verdasco. He went five

:09:06.:09:09.

match points against him in Doha. Everything set up perfectly for a

:09:10.:09:14.

Murray- Djokovic final, most likely. The Brits have a strong showing in

:09:15.:09:18.

this competition. Seven in the main singles draw. What are your

:09:19.:09:22.

expectations for the rest of the team? It's interesting. Heather

:09:23.:09:28.

Watson Place Sam Stosur, the Australian former grand slam final

:09:29.:09:32.

winner in New York. Cup finals at the French Open. But Sam can get

:09:33.:09:35.

nervous down under there's an opportunity for Heather to get

:09:36.:09:39.

through. On the men's side, Dan Evans is in the semifinals right now

:09:40.:09:44.

in Sydney, having one of his best weeks. Young Kyle Edmund is also

:09:45.:09:53.

playing well, he made the fourth round of the US open. A lot of Brits

:09:54.:09:56.

to support and a lot of possibility to go deep in the draw, possibly get

:09:57.:09:59.

to the second week with Andy Murray and Johanna Konta. It's live and

:10:00.:10:01.

exclusive on Eurosport starting on Sunday at midnight. Lots for British

:10:02.:10:08.

tennis fans to enjoy. Greg Rusedski, former British number one. It's all

:10:09.:10:18.

so live on five live. Some breaking news, we are hearing that French

:10:19.:10:25.

investigators will investigate Renault over diesel emissions. The

:10:26.:10:29.

Paris prosecutor 's office is quoted on this on the associated foreign

:10:30.:10:36.

press news agency. It says the car-maker is under suspicion of

:10:37.:10:39.

cheating in emissions tests. That's all we have at the moment on that.

:10:40.:10:47.

No independent confirmation, but AFP reporting Renault will be

:10:48.:10:49.

investigated in France over diesel emissions. It follows on from Fiat

:10:50.:10:56.

Chrysler being accused in the United States of not telling authorities

:10:57.:11:00.

about software that regulates emissions in thousands of its diesel

:11:01.:11:04.

vehicles, and that followed on from what happened with Volkswagen.

:11:05.:11:11.

Another car company potentially in the frame, but no confirmation of

:11:12.:11:15.

the beyond a report just coming through from the AFP news agency

:11:16.:11:19.

about Renault being investigated over diesel emissions. People living

:11:20.:11:26.

in coastal areas in the East of England are being warned to stay

:11:27.:11:29.

vigilant because of gale force winds and high tide forecast for later

:11:30.:11:38.

today. Thousands of people living in Jaywick in Clacton in Essex and

:11:39.:11:41.

Great Yarmouth are being warned to move to safety. In Lincolnshire 100

:11:42.:11:49.

soldiers have been deployed to help police. Phil Mackie is on a service

:11:50.:11:56.

station on the M42 south of Birmingham weather has been

:11:57.:12:03.

disruption because of snow. You can see that we have moved from the

:12:04.:12:06.

motorway up to the top of the hills in Worcestershire to give you a

:12:07.:12:09.

sense of how much it has snowed overnight and this morning across

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the Midlands. INAUDIBLE It's freezing up here in this strong

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wind. You can see people struggling with the went. There is no real

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great disruption at the moment across the country.

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It shouldn't cause many major problems today and it could be quite

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good fun for the children. If the snow doesn't melt today, they could

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get out on the slopes tomorrow. A lot of disappointed kids in other

:13:14.:13:16.

areas where snow was predicted and it didn't happen. We can go to

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Skegness in Lincolnshire where 100 soldiers are on stand-by to help

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emergency services. Major Chris Carter joins me now. What are you on

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stand-by for? We deployed yesterday. We helped elderly residents and

:13:45.:13:50.

persons who were maybe vulnerable or at potential risk from the weather

:13:51.:14:04.

that's due to hit later today. We will be ready to evacuate personnel

:14:05.:14:12.

should the knees arise. I imagine people get a shock when somebody

:14:13.:14:18.

from the Army knocks on their door and tells them they have to leave

:14:19.:14:22.

home. We don't tell them they have to leave, we just talk through plans

:14:23.:14:33.

if they have to leave. How are things looking, are you anticipating

:14:34.:14:36.

have to get involved in a more hands-on way? We are hoping that

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will not be the case. The weather is quite bad outside. We are here

:14:44.:14:46.

purely to assist should we be required. We will support the local

:14:47.:14:52.

emergency services as required. We have some figures to bring you

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about the health service. Nearly half of hospitals in England is

:15:02.:15:05.

declared a major alert in the first weekend of the year as they

:15:06.:15:13.

encountered unprecedented pressures. 66 out of 142 hospital trusts raise

:15:14.:15:19.

the alarm as bed shortages led to large numbers of patients

:15:20.:15:21.

experiencing trolley waits and delays. Data leaked to the BBC

:15:22.:15:28.

earlier this week suggest just one trust hit its for our AMD target.

:15:29.:15:34.

But now official figures have released more about the scale of the

:15:35.:15:35.

problem. Coming up, left lying on two

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hospital chairs in A for five hours, that is what happened to one

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little boy. We will look at why it happened and how the NHS Trust has

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responded. We are talking about cervical

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cancer this morning, and the age at which young women

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should be screened. Smear tests are offered to women

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when they turn 25 in England. But, earlier in the programme,

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we heard from brother and sister Josh and Cameron Cliff,

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who are campaigning to make the tests available to anyone

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who requests it, no matter Their sister Ambe died on Sunday,

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aged 25, after a four-year Amber requested smears

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when she was 21 because of worrying bleeding and some abdominal pains -

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but was told she was too young. Health officials say smear tests

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on women under 25 are often unreliable and can do more

:16:29.:16:31.

harm than good. Speaking to this programme Cameron

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and Josh described the impact Amber's diagnosis had

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on their family. By the time we found

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out she'd had it for, So it was so advanced,

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so there was just, like, a lot more implications

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and stuff as well. By the time we found out

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she couldn't have kids, and that was obviously

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a massive issue. That's what hurt her most, the fact

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that she couldn't have kids, And how frustrating was that to know

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that she'd had the tumour potentially for between two and four

:17:08.:17:12.

years and she had been saying... Sort of flagging this up

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potentially as an issue? It made us so angry because it's not

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like she hadn't had the symptoms, and she was trying to find out

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what it was for all them years. Do you believe she might

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still be alive...? If Amber had been given that option

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what we are trying to push for, just to even rule it out,

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you know, they would have found that she had cervical cancer

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at a young age in the early stages To leave something for that long

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and, you know, she died at 25. She would never have made 25

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if we hadn't have went private. Cancer doesn't know age,

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it's not about numbers and age. It's not when you become 25

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all of a sudden cancer can This is the issue we're

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trying to raise now. That was Cameron and her brother

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Josh talking to me earlier about their sister Amber, who died of

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cervical cancer at just 25. They want people under 25 to be able to

:18:19.:18:22.

get cervical cancer test if they want them, because currently the age

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for cervical screening is 25. Let's talk now to Rob Music, the CEO

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of Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, and Dr Kathryn Hillaby,

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a gynaecological oncologist. Thank you both for coming in. I

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should say Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust is the only UK charity which

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is dedicated to women affected by cervical cancer and cervical

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abnormalities. What is your view on testing for cervical cancer under

:18:50.:18:57.

25? Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust and charity such as Cancer Research UK

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have to be guided by the current evidence, which is set to screen

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women under 25 there are potentially risks of doing more harm than good.

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Cervical cancer is caused in over 99% of cases by a virus called human

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papillomavirus. It is a virus that is more prevalent in women under 25,

:19:16.:19:19.

and therefore what the experts say is that if we invite women for a

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smear test there is a risk you made then unnecessarily damage the

:19:25.:19:31.

cervix, which can result in preterm labour, risks to the mother and

:19:32.:19:35.

baby. What is important with this terribly sad case and others as well

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is about awareness of symptoms, and I think it is symptoms both in terms

:19:40.:19:43.

of encouraging and empowering women to speak to their GP if they have

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any symptoms that are not normal and are typical of cervical cancer, but

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already there is a Department of Health pathway for GPs, said they

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should be aware that if a woman present with symptoms that there is

:19:58.:20:02.

a protocol in place, so for example bleeding after sexual intercourse is

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one of the most common symptoms of cervical cancer, there is a protocol

:20:07.:20:10.

in place that they should then examined the woman and if they see

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something concerning, refer to gynaecology, said that is in place

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and we have to make sure those pathways are adhered to. What is

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particularly frustrating in this case for the family and for Amber at

:20:23.:20:26.

the time is the fact that she flagged it up because she looked up

:20:27.:20:30.

symptoms online and felt that she should be tested for cervical

:20:31.:20:34.

cancer, but it didn't happen. Absolutely, and again that highlight

:20:35.:20:38.

the importance of raising awareness to GPs to make sure that the pathway

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adhered to and there is awareness of it. Is there a awareness amongst GPs

:20:44.:20:48.

of the symptoms for cervical cancer? Perhaps not, and that is something

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my critique -- Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust need to do moving forward.

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Kathryn, you are a gynaecological oncologist, I cannot say yet! How

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common is cervical cancer in under 25s? Very red, of 3000 women

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diagnosed with cervical cancer every year, less than 50 will be under 25

:21:13.:21:17.

so it is very uncommon in girls under 25. Does that mean GPs are not

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necessarily attuned if somebody under 25 comes in presenting with

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symptoms? Possibly, but I would say if you do have any of the symptoms,

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as Rob has said, such as bleeding after sex or between periods, please

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go to your GP and asked to be examined. The smear test is not a

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test for cancer, it is a test to pick up precancerous cells. The best

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way of looking at cervical cancer in young girls is to look at the

:21:48.:21:51.

cervix. If the doctor is worried, they can use the pathway and be seen

:21:52.:21:58.

in two weeks in hospital. She would be examined and cancer could be

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ruled out. Because there is a screening programme, albeit for over

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25 is, it is one of those cancers that all women are very aware of

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because from the age of 25 you get invited for screening. A lot of

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people don't take it up, it is almost like there is a dichotomy

:22:16.:22:21.

where there is awareness that it is there and we should be concerned and

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there is potential to catch it early, but not awareness of the

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symptoms and the importance of the screening. Exactly, a lot of people

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are not turning up, particularly the under 30s age group, one in three

:22:34.:22:37.

ladies do not take up the smear test opportunity, which is such a shame.

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Why is that? I don't know, maybe it is difficult to get an appointment

:22:44.:22:46.

or they are scared and don't understand. It takes ten minutes, it

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is done by a nurse, in a very dignified manner. It is not painful,

:22:50.:22:54.

it is slightly uncomfortable but that ten minutes could save your

:22:55.:22:58.

life. The charity has commissioned a range of research around trying to

:22:59.:23:02.

understand why women are not attending. The barriers are

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multifactorial depending on age, on ethnicity. For younger women it is

:23:07.:23:10.

around embarrassment, worry about it being painful. Interestingly it is

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worrying about the results, because they think it is a test to find

:23:15.:23:18.

cancer rather than prevent it. For older women it is relevant, perhaps

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if they are 50 plus and have had a few smears in their lifetime they

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think it is not relevant. There is a big concern about the 50 plus age

:23:26.:23:28.

group are not going for screening and they worry that in ten, 15

:23:29.:23:33.

years' time there will be a big jump in incidents, so as we talked about

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there is a worry about the number of women being diagnosed. The

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vaccine was introduced in 2008, does that potentially transform things

:23:51.:23:52.

because it vaccinate against 70% of cancers? We have not seen that come

:23:53.:23:54.

through yet, those girls are starting to hit 25 now, we hope it

:23:55.:23:58.

will make a massive difference and reduce cervical cancer by 70%.

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Again, I would urge people to get their daughters vaccinated. Are many

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people not opting for rich? Some people are opting, about 80% of

:24:09.:24:11.

people opt for the vaccination, so still one in five are not opting,

:24:12.:24:19.

which is a shame. It is one of those cancers if caught early... It is

:24:20.:24:24.

treatable, very durable. And largely preventable free vaccine and

:24:25.:24:28.

screening. Our vision is it can be eradicated in the not too distant

:24:29.:24:31.

future but we have to find ways of encouraging women to attend smear

:24:32.:24:34.

test and take up the vaccine when that is available as well. Your

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mission statement is that you are -- your charity wants to see a future

:24:42.:24:45.

where cervical cancer is a thing of the past. Do you think that is

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possible, Kathryn? Absolutely, high uptake of the vaccination, people

:24:50.:24:55.

partaking in the screening programme, the vaccine present 70%

:24:56.:24:59.

of cancers, the screening programme will detect the majority as well. It

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is an achievable aim in the UK. We have got so many e-mails and tweets

:25:05.:25:08.

coming through on this, I just want to go through a few. Vic says, with

:25:09.:25:13.

her symptoms, Amber could have been given a simple test at the start and

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might be alive today. Shan says, I work in gynaecology and

:25:17.:25:24.

family planning, when we routinely tested girls from 18. When the age

:25:25.:25:29.

was raised to 25, I had my concerns because I had girls under 25 who had

:25:30.:25:33.

positive tests but I was told it was rare and not cost-effective. I was

:25:34.:25:36.

not convinced by this and feel it was a cost-cutting policy as it also

:25:37.:25:41.

coincided with a new way of obtaining smears that, although an

:25:42.:25:43.

improvement, was more than likely add costly thing to do. Just answer

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that, was there an element of cost? No, it is because it was doing more

:25:50.:25:53.

harm than good, it is more likely to find an abnormality that will likely

:25:54.:25:57.

go away by it self, and the risk of over treating girls which can cause

:25:58.:26:02.

premature delivery of their babies and so for the sabbatical screening

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programme, and there is good evidence in the UK and nationally,

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there is no evidence the screening girls under 25. The whole of the UK

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now screens people over 25. Can we have e-mailed, please stop confusing

:26:16.:26:19.

a screening test and a definitive test for cancer. GPs cannot refer

:26:20.:26:22.

patients under 25 for evidence -based reasons, you can see the NHS

:26:23.:26:28.

choices website, effectively outlining what you were saying.

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One tweet, I had treatment for precancerous cells at the age of 19,

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the age urgently needs reducing. Obviously that was caught early

:26:40.:26:44.

before the age for smear tests, but making the point as well that you

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are making that it is treatable if caught early? How easy is it to

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treat? Laser treatment for precancerous cells at 19? It is very

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easy to treat, it is pre-cancer. The purpose of the smear test is to

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detect precancerous lesions that may develop into cancer over a period of

:27:07.:27:09.

years and if you have an abnormality you will be invited to a clinic at a

:27:10.:27:13.

hospital, a doctor like myself will have a look at the neck of the womb

:27:14.:27:17.

and if they see an abnormality they may offer treatment, normally under

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local anaesthetic, using a heated wire to remove the abnormal cells.

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It takes ten minutes and over and done with, 95% of people that is all

:27:25.:27:28.

the treatment they will ever need. Thank you both very much.

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The mother of a toddler with suspected meningitis

:27:36.:27:38.

who lay on a makeshift bed while he waited in A

:27:39.:27:40.

has spoken of their ordeal after her case was raised

:27:41.:27:43.

by the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, at Prime Minister's Questions.

:27:44.:27:45.

Rose Newman, from Eastbourne, says her one-year-old son Jack had

:27:46.:27:47.

to wait for five hours at the Conquest

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Ms Newman praised the doctors, but told the Mirror newspaper

:27:50.:27:53.

that they didn't have enough resources.

:27:54.:27:54.

Waited for hours in the waiting room and was eventually seen by a nurse,

:27:55.:27:58.

and was there for about five hours in total, but unfortunately

:27:59.:28:00.

there was no bed for him so we had to put two plastic chairs together

:28:01.:28:04.

with a blanket over the top so that he could have

:28:05.:28:07.

Unfortunately this seems like it's quite a typical situation.

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I asked one of the doctors if it was just an unusually busy

:28:11.:28:13.

night as to why we couldn't get seen for five hours and she said, "No,

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And I said, you know, "Why is there no bed for him?"

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And she said "There just are no beds, that's how it

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So it doesn't really bode well for the future.

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The hospital is disputing the time the newspaper says

:28:28.:28:31.

he arrived and has released the following statement:

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"Jack was assessed by a clinical practitioner as soon as he arrived.

:28:39.:28:41.

Jack was monitored by the nursing team and given paracetamol

:28:42.:28:44.

Jack did wait over three hours to see a doctor, due to the volume

:28:45.:28:49.

The cubicle they were put into does not have a bed

:28:50.:28:53.

as it is for assessment and not treatment of patients.

:28:54.:28:55.

Had it been clinically necessary for Jack to be admitted to a bed

:28:56.:28:58.

in the hospital, this would have been done."

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Our political correspondent Tom Bateman has more on this.

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P induced obviously to highlight a broader point that have become an

:29:06.:29:13.

increasingly political issue. When it gets to winter in

:29:14.:29:15.

Westminster there can be something of a routine to these things,

:29:16.:29:18.

because just as the temperature plunges hear the sound of few really

:29:19.:29:23.

has been rising in the House of Commons just over the way over what

:29:24.:29:27.

Labour are seeing as yet another winter crisis in the NHS, what the

:29:28.:29:31.

Government is saying is that they think they have given more than

:29:32.:29:33.

enough money to the health service in England. We have seen continuing

:29:34.:29:40.

reports about the pressures that the NHS is under, and that led to Jeremy

:29:41.:29:43.

Corbyn at Prime Minister's Questions this week repeating that claim by

:29:44.:29:47.

the British Red Cross that there was, in his view, humanitarian

:29:48.:29:52.

crisis in the NHS, something Theresa May said was overblown. Then Mr

:29:53.:29:56.

Corbyn on Wednesday raised this issue that you have been hearing

:29:57.:29:57.

about. Here is what he had to say. This week, the Prime

:29:58.:30:00.

Minister said she wanted More people sharing hospital

:30:01.:30:02.

corridors on trolleys. More people sharing waiting

:30:03.:30:08.

areas in A departments. More people sharing in anxiety

:30:09.:30:12.

created by this government. Our NHS, Mr Speaker, is in crisis

:30:13.:30:16.

but the Prime Minister is in denial. Can I suggest to her,

:30:17.:30:22.

on the economic question, cancel the corporate tax cuts,

:30:23.:30:27.

spend the money where it's needed, on people in desperate need

:30:28.:30:32.

in social care or in our hospitals. The right honourable

:30:33.:30:39.

gentleman talks about crisis. I suggest he listens

:30:40.:30:42.

to the honourable member for Don Valley, a former Labour

:30:43.:30:46.

health minister, who "With Labour, it's

:30:47.:30:48.

always about crisis. We've got to be a bit more

:30:49.:30:51.

grown up about this." And he talks to me about corporation

:30:52.:30:58.

tax and restoring the cuts The Labour Party has already spent

:30:59.:31:01.

that money eight times. The last thing the NHS needs is

:31:02.:31:09.

a cheque from Labour that bounces. The only way that we can

:31:10.:31:12.

ensure we've got funding for the National Health Service

:31:13.:31:15.

is a strong economy. Yesterday, the right honourable

:31:16.:31:17.

gentleman proved that he's not only incompetent

:31:18.:31:19.

but that he would destroy our economy and that

:31:20.:31:21.

would devastate our National Health One of the reasons this particular

:31:22.:31:38.

case matters, as you heard from the little boy's mother, they had to

:31:39.:31:42.

wait for five hours. That's an important issue. We had controversy

:31:43.:31:46.

this week over the government's four hour waiting target for A units.

:31:47.:31:50.

That all people going into A should be seen within four hours.

:31:51.:31:54.

Jeremy Hunt said earlier this week that should only be for people with

:31:55.:31:58.

urgent problems. If you just show up when you could go to your GP, he

:31:59.:32:03.

suggested that target might not have to apply. That led to Labour and

:32:04.:32:08.

other opposition parties saying the government looked like it would

:32:09.:32:15.

scrap that target, something the government denies. It always feels

:32:16.:32:23.

slightly reminiscent of Jennifer Zia, the famous case that ran into

:32:24.:32:28.

controversy and computation. How potentially fraught is it for

:32:29.:32:32.

politicians when they use a specific case to make a point? This is

:32:33.:32:36.

something we have seen Jeremy Corbyn make a real point. When he began as

:32:37.:32:41.

Labour leader, he started Prime Minister's Questions by saying he

:32:42.:32:43.

wanted e-mails and letters from people to talk about what's going on

:32:44.:32:48.

in their lives. He has made use of that, and at times has been mocked

:32:49.:32:51.

at Prime Minister's Questions for bringing up some of those case

:32:52.:32:55.

studies. There is a rich tradition, it's part of an MP's job as a

:32:56.:33:00.

constituency MP to raise concerns of constituents. But when these details

:33:01.:33:07.

are raised by opposition leaders it can entail risk. Here we see a

:33:08.:33:12.

difference of views with the boy 's mother saying that they waited for

:33:13.:33:16.

five hours but the hospital said it was three hours. I think they can be

:33:17.:33:20.

difficulties here for politicians. No doubt we will hear more of these

:33:21.:33:24.

case studies being raised by Mr Corbyn.

:33:25.:33:28.

The number of men in low-paid part-time work has increased

:33:29.:33:31.

dramatically over the past 20 years, in contrast to those

:33:32.:33:33.

We'll be talking to one part-time worker about his experiences.

:33:34.:33:37.

Some gamers have waited for years - now Nintendo's got a new video

:33:38.:33:40.

The Nintendo Switch is creating a buzz and we'll hear why

:33:41.:33:47.

We will also talk more broadly about why it matters for Nintendo.

:33:48.:33:59.

With the News, here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom.

:34:00.:34:01.

Labour's Tristram Hunt is to stand down as an MP to become the director

:34:02.:34:04.

The resignation of the former shadow education secretary will trigger

:34:05.:34:10.

a by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central.

:34:11.:34:12.

When asked by the BBC whether he was quitting

:34:13.:34:14.

because of his frustration with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

:34:15.:34:18.

of the Labour party, Mr Hunt said: "It's about the opportunity to have

:34:19.:34:21.

one of the greatest museum jobs in the world."

:34:22.:34:25.

Severe flood warnings are in place along the east coast of England,

:34:26.:34:29.

amid fears thousands of homes are at risk from a storm surge.

:34:30.:34:35.

The Environment Agency has issued 11 severe flood warnings,

:34:36.:34:38.

In Lincolnshire, 100 soldiers have been deployed to help the police.

:34:39.:34:41.

In the village of Jaywick, near Clacton in Essex,

:34:42.:34:44.

people have been advised to move to safety.

:34:45.:34:48.

Mary Cahra was evacuated from her home in Jaywick last night.

:34:49.:34:54.

I heard on the radio that they were going to evacuate everyone at 7am

:34:55.:35:00.

this morning. I unpacked my shopping, had my dinner and went to

:35:01.:35:05.

bed. Then I heard a lot of noise is so phoned a neighbour and he said,

:35:06.:35:11.

where are you? I said I was in my lodge and he said I had to get out

:35:12.:35:15.

immediately. I left immediately and came here. They have been wonderful

:35:16.:35:19.

since I came here. They have been doing everything for us and more

:35:20.:35:21.

importantly, I'm safe. NHS bosses have revealed that nearly

:35:22.:35:23.

half of the hospitals in England declared a major alert in the first

:35:24.:35:26.

week of this year as they The official figures from NHS

:35:27.:35:29.

England show that 66 out of 142 hospital trusts raised the alarm

:35:30.:35:32.

as mounting bed shortages led to large numbers of patients

:35:33.:35:35.

experiencing trolley waits The number of men in low-paid

:35:36.:35:37.

part-time work has increased New research by the Institute

:35:38.:35:43.

for Fiscal Studies has found that one in five low-paid men,

:35:44.:35:49.

between the ages of 25 and 55, now works part-time compared

:35:50.:35:52.

with one-in-20 two decades ago. There were emotional

:35:53.:36:02.

scenes during a ceremony at the White House last night,

:36:03.:36:04.

as outgoing US President with the country's highest civilian

:36:05.:36:09.

honour. For the final time as president,

:36:10.:36:11.

I'm pleased to award our nation's highest civilian honour,

:36:12.:36:14.

the Presidential Medal of Freedom. As you heard there,

:36:15.:36:16.

Joe Biden received Mr Biden said the honour had been

:36:17.:36:23.

a complete surprise. Barack Obama said he and his second

:36:24.:36:30.

in command had had "quite a ride". This also gives the internet

:36:31.:36:34.

one last chance to... That's a summary of the latest news,

:36:35.:36:36.

join me for BBC Newsroom Let's catch up with the sport.

:36:37.:36:57.

Johanna Konta has won the Sydney International this morning. The

:36:58.:37:01.

British number-1 beat Agassi Radwanska 6-4, 6-2, the ideal warm

:37:02.:37:05.

up for the Australian open which starts on Monday. Johanna Konta has

:37:06.:37:11.

been drawn against Kirsten Flipkens in the first round. In the men's

:37:12.:37:15.

draw, world number one Andy Murray will face the Ukrainian Marchenko in

:37:16.:37:18.

his first-round match. He could face Roger Federer in the quarterfinals.

:37:19.:37:25.

There will be a minute's applause before all English football league

:37:26.:37:29.

matches this weekend in tribute to former England manager Graham Taylor

:37:30.:37:32.

who died yesterday at the age of 72. Alastair Cook will meet director of

:37:33.:37:37.

cricket Andrew Strauss over his future as in that captain. He has

:37:38.:37:41.

faced questions in his role after the 4-0 defeats to India. And Brian

:37:42.:37:48.

Fletcher has died at the age of 69. He rode Red Rum to victory in the

:37:49.:37:54.

Grand National in 1973 1974. Former champion jockey Peter Scudamore has

:37:55.:37:57.

described him as an unsung hero of sport. Christopher Steele, the

:37:58.:38:04.

former British spy behind a controversial dossier on Donald

:38:05.:38:09.

Trump was apparently once hired by the England's 2018 World Cup team.

:38:10.:38:18.

What was he hired for? This was the England 2018 attempt to win the bid,

:38:19.:38:23.

the votes to host the 28 World Cup. It was held in December, 2010,

:38:24.:38:28.

ending in humiliation for England, winning just two votes. I understand

:38:29.:38:33.

in the run-up to the vote in 2009, Christopher Steele was hired by the

:38:34.:38:38.

bid officials to provide intelligence on Fifa and

:38:39.:38:42.

specifically on Russia, England's big rival. Russia went on to win the

:38:43.:38:47.

bid and will host the World Cup in 2018. Christopher Steele was

:38:48.:38:49.

providing bid officials with that intelligence. We also understand

:38:50.:38:54.

through the Reuters news agency that in the summer of 2010, Christopher

:38:55.:39:00.

Steele met with the FBI in London. The Eurasian crime department of the

:39:01.:39:05.

FBI, and he provided information to them about his work involving world

:39:06.:39:10.

football, and that in turn, say Reuters, helped give credibility,

:39:11.:39:15.

credence, to Christopher Steele's reputation in US law enforcement and

:39:16.:39:19.

intelligence circles. Is it a surprise that this sort of digging

:39:20.:39:22.

would be happening in the world of sport? I think given the nature of

:39:23.:39:27.

the World Cup, and how prestigious it is as a prize, given how it goes

:39:28.:39:32.

beyond football. We are talking about soft power, the extension of

:39:33.:39:43.

soft power, international trade, commerce, it's a very prestigious

:39:44.:39:45.

thing for countries to win. We saw how much Russia in 2018 wanted it.

:39:46.:39:49.

Qatar winning in 2022. It's no surprise that England engaged in

:39:50.:39:52.

this. We have known in the past that this has gone on. Christopher Steele

:39:53.:40:01.

and his company were perhaps not the only company retained by England's

:40:02.:40:07.

two gather information on Russia and its rivals. It perhaps said some

:40:08.:40:14.

light on this rather murky process. Still under investigations by the

:40:15.:40:16.

Swiss authorities given the allegations of corruption

:40:17.:40:18.

surrounding the entire process. Nintendo has got a new video

:40:19.:40:21.

game console on the way. The Nintendo Switch is creating

:40:22.:40:25.

a buzz and we'll hear why The number of men in low-paid

:40:26.:40:29.

part-time work has increased "dramatically" over the past 20

:40:30.:40:35.

years, in contrast to those Around one in five 25 to 55-year-old

:40:36.:40:38.

men on low hourly wage rates now work part-time,

:40:39.:40:44.

compared with one in 20 for higher earners, says the Institute

:40:45.:40:48.

for Fiscal Studies. Andrew Hood is a Senior Research

:40:49.:40:55.

Economist at the Institute for Fiscal Studies and one

:40:56.:40:58.

of this study's researchers. And Ryan Aldred works

:40:59.:41:00.

part time in retail. Thank you both for joining us.

:41:01.:41:11.

Andrew first, tell us more about the research you've done. We hear a lot

:41:12.:41:14.

about winning in low-paid part-time work. I know this is the first time

:41:15.:41:20.

the focus has been on men in this particular area. This was part of a

:41:21.:41:24.

broader research project to try to understand what's driven changes in

:41:25.:41:27.

inequality in the UK in the last 20 years. We found inequality in men's

:41:28.:41:32.

weekly pay had grown significantly. We were investigating why that was.

:41:33.:41:36.

When covered that if you look at those with low hourly pay, they are

:41:37.:41:41.

more likely to work part-time. Low hours and low wages now go hand in

:41:42.:41:45.

hand to a greater extent than 20 years ago. It has been changing over

:41:46.:41:50.

20 years gradually. What do you think is behind it? That's still an

:41:51.:41:57.

open question and we are still looking into it. There are two broad

:41:58.:42:02.

ants as we could give. It could be an aspect of people's choices. The

:42:03.:42:06.

labour market is more flexible so some people might choose to work

:42:07.:42:09.

part-time instead of full-time for a whole variety of reasons. The other

:42:10.:42:13.

thing is that he is reflect the fact that these low hourly paid men are

:42:14.:42:17.

increasingly struggling to find full-time work. Ryan is someone

:42:18.:42:25.

working part-time for low wages. Before we get onto whether you it or

:42:26.:42:30.

not, what your hours are, and what you are paid. I'm paid 7.25 per

:42:31.:42:41.

hour. But in terms of my hours, I've only guaranteed four hours per week.

:42:42.:42:44.

It can dip drastically from anywhere between four and 36 hours and

:42:45.:42:51.

anywhere in between. You were shaking your head vehemently when

:42:52.:42:54.

you said some people are choosing this. Are you choosing that?

:42:55.:42:58.

Absolutely not. It's certainly been thrust upon me. I left school in

:42:59.:43:03.

2007 and went straight into a full-time permanent contract. I lost

:43:04.:43:08.

my job through the financial crash, went to university and it was a big

:43:09.:43:12.

culture shock. It seemed full-time permanent contracts were no longer

:43:13.:43:15.

in style, at least for the employers, when I came out. I've had

:43:16.:43:27.

a stream of temporary jobs with insecure and unstable hours since.

:43:28.:43:29.

Andrew, do you think that's there? Full-time permanent contract is no

:43:30.:43:32.

longer in style? It seems possible that the types of contracts

:43:33.:43:35.

employers want to offer our changing. This is something that has

:43:36.:43:39.

been increasingly in the news and the public eye since the recession,

:43:40.:43:45.

talk about zero-hour contracts and more flexible working arrangements

:43:46.:43:48.

has come to the fore. Our research shows this trend is towards

:43:49.:43:51.

part-time work for low paid men isn't something that happened just

:43:52.:43:55.

since the recession. Who does it suits to have a flexible workforce,

:43:56.:44:01.

who benefits in the end? The employer or employee? When you look

:44:02.:44:04.

at the broadbrush situation there are always exceptions, but generally

:44:05.:44:09.

who benefits? That will depend on the particular case. We can say that

:44:10.:44:20.

by looking at the data, most of the lower paid part-time men worked in

:44:21.:44:22.

sectors such as retail, wholesale, hotels and restaurants. Many of

:44:23.:44:24.

those are the kind of sectors where you can imagine employers benefiting

:44:25.:44:29.

from having workers who can change their hours up and down in

:44:30.:44:34.

accordance with the demand the company faces. Is it just about

:44:35.:44:38.

flexibility, or is their financial incentive as well? There are aspects

:44:39.:44:42.

of the tax system that encourage firms to have more workers on low

:44:43.:44:45.

hours rather than fewer workers on greater hours. The way that an

:44:46.:44:51.

employee 's and insurance contributions work means there are

:44:52.:44:54.

some tax incentives. That is one of the possible things we will looked

:44:55.:45:01.

into in the future. -- the way that an employee's injured national

:45:02.:45:09.

insurance contributions work. Was this the sort of employment you

:45:10.:45:13.

wanted having got your degree? I've had a number of jobs, including in

:45:14.:45:18.

academia. I'm finding not just in retail, but also in academia, and I

:45:19.:45:23.

have a lot of friends in teaching position to find more casualisation

:45:24.:45:26.

taking place even in those working places. You would expect to be on

:45:27.:45:32.

much more secure tenure and bad terms and conditions when they walk

:45:33.:45:33.

into those jobs. How do you feel about the future, do

:45:34.:45:42.

you feel you will ever get the type of job you were talking about

:45:43.:45:46.

previously with a more secure, better paid contract, Times? I think

:45:47.:45:51.

it is certainly possible, but I think the problem is at the moment

:45:52.:45:55.

that there is far too little investment in education and

:45:56.:45:58.

industry, and rather a lot more emphasis on giving tax breaks to

:45:59.:46:02.

huge corporations when they are clearly not in the interests of

:46:03.:46:06.

working for ordinary working class people like myself, and so, you are

:46:07.:46:15.

finding that in order to take the benefits of the tax breaks by

:46:16.:46:18.

employing more people on fewer hours, it is becoming much more

:46:19.:46:22.

prevalent and everywhere I have been working in the last few months and

:46:23.:46:27.

years, I have found with the small exception of maybe some students and

:46:28.:46:30.

very new parents, you are finding that everyone is desperate for more

:46:31.:46:34.

hours and enough wages to make the rent on the bills, not one or the

:46:35.:46:38.

other. Andrew, you mentioned you are looking into the broader issues in

:46:39.:46:48.

terms of your future research. Is there a discussion within Government

:46:49.:46:54.

about the way that employment should look in this country? My

:46:55.:46:57.

understanding is the Government is conducting an inquiry into things

:46:58.:47:02.

around the economy and how tax and legal treatment of that kind of

:47:03.:47:05.

employment self-employment margin should work. More generally one

:47:06.:47:09.

thing we would say is that this highlights the fact that, just

:47:10.:47:14.

focusing on families where all people out of work might not be the

:47:15.:47:18.

best way to target those in need. For example, if we look at poverty,

:47:19.:47:23.

two thirds of children who are in poverty, someone in that household

:47:24.:47:27.

works, and it is these trends towards increasing part-time for low

:47:28.:47:30.

paid that explain that phenomenon, said that is important for the

:47:31.:47:34.

Government to think about as it seeks to raise living standards and

:47:35.:47:37.

address inequality if that is what it wants to do. Presumably the prop

:47:38.:47:45.

would be turned back, or do you think it could be? How would you

:47:46.:47:48.

anticipate future trends of employment models? It is hard to

:47:49.:47:51.

predict the future, what we have seen over the last 20 years if in

:47:52.:47:57.

some ways it went the other way for women. Trying to understand what

:47:58.:48:02.

happened here, low-paid women are less likely to work than they were

:48:03.:48:06.

20 years ago, so it is not like this trend is for all low-paid people, it

:48:07.:48:10.

is among men, although it is widespread among men. But relative

:48:11.:48:19.

positions, correcting historically women, the situation has improved

:48:20.:48:23.

for women while for men it is the other... That is right, it is a

:48:24.:48:26.

higher proportion of women who used to work part-time but has come down

:48:27.:48:29.

but it is higher than the equivalent for men. Ryan, in terms of your

:48:30.:48:37.

future, how optimistic do you feel? At the moment, not very. This is why

:48:38.:48:44.

myself, in what little spare time I have, I campaign for organisations

:48:45.:48:48.

like the Socialist party to push for an end to the row our contracts and

:48:49.:48:51.

the culture of minimal our contract that we have because it is causing

:48:52.:48:55.

the race to the bottom that we have where you are finding employers

:48:56.:48:59.

pitting worker against worker and in the end people are suffering because

:49:00.:49:03.

they are desperate for more hours and if there were more full-time

:49:04.:49:06.

jobs available roles would very quickly be filled. Let's bring in a

:49:07.:49:12.

couple of comments from people watching. Greg says, I am 63 years

:49:13.:49:17.

old and had a successful professional job, was given

:49:18.:49:20.

early-retirement. After a short time I needed more in life so I returned

:49:21.:49:24.

to work part-time driving lorries, I combine that with charity work to

:49:25.:49:28.

keep busy without being full-time. Scott says, thank God we are hearing

:49:29.:49:32.

about men on low wages for a change. Thank you both very much.

:49:33.:49:34.

In a statement, the Department for Work and Pensions told us...

:49:35.:49:37.

"There are now nearly 2 million more full time jobs

:49:38.:49:39.

in the economy than in 2010 and we are at near-record employment

:49:40.:49:42.

levels with 31.8 million people in work.

:49:43.:49:44.

We have given more than one million workers a pay rise

:49:45.:49:46.

through the National Living Wage and average wages have grown by 2.6%

:49:47.:49:49.

Nintendo have released their new games console, Switch.

:49:50.:49:59.

It's the first new console from the company since the Wii U.

:50:00.:50:02.

Alongside the console launch, the company also launched the next

:50:03.:50:04.

instalment of the very popular Legend Of Zelda series -

:50:05.:50:07.

The new console offers gamers a portable screen

:50:08.:50:10.

The president of Nintendo spoke at the launch, outlining the key points

:50:11.:50:21.

of the new console. Thank you very much to all of you

:50:22.:50:26.

who have joined us here today. And thank you to everyone viewing the

:50:27.:50:32.

presentation live online. Many people around the world watched the

:50:33.:50:36.

Nintendo Switch video we released in October of last year and reacted

:50:37.:50:46.

quite positively to it. This video introduced the Nintendo Switch

:50:47.:50:50.

console, Nintendo Switch dock, Joy-con grip and two Joy-con

:50:51.:51:02.

controllers. To explain the fuss and what Joy-con is, because I don't

:51:03.:51:06.

know and I'm sure a lot of you don't, we are joined by Kate Gray, a

:51:07.:51:10.

gaming writer who has been watching the launch, and also gamer Anisa

:51:11.:51:17.

Sanusi. I will ask about Joy-con in the moment but Kate, first of all,

:51:18.:51:22.

put this in the context of a business story for Nintendo? How

:51:23.:51:25.

important is it that this is a success?

:51:26.:51:30.

Nintendo have been doing interesting things with their business, recently

:51:31.:51:36.

they have branched out into mobile gaming with Pokemon Go and super

:51:37.:51:40.

Mario Run, which is something no one thought they would do, and now with

:51:41.:51:45.

Switch they have a focus on it being a more portable tablet console

:51:46.:51:49.

hybrid which is really interesting. Time will tell if it works. Anis A,

:51:50.:51:54.

is it the sort of thing you have been desperately waiting for? Most

:51:55.:51:58.

definitely, yes, because when Nintendo announced the macro when --

:51:59.:52:05.

Wii U way back when there was a lot of hype and a lot of people were

:52:06.:52:09.

underwhelmed with the Wii U so the new console will hopefully satisfy a

:52:10.:52:15.

lot of things that the Wii U couldn't. Joy-con, tell us what that

:52:16.:52:20.

is? It is a detachable controller that you can take off or put on the

:52:21.:52:25.

Nintendo Switch console, and supposedly you can put it on an

:52:26.:52:29.

actual controller that you play with your TV, all you can put it on the

:52:30.:52:33.

screen console itself and hold it around, like the old Game Boys, or

:52:34.:52:39.

you can take it off and have two players using two different

:52:40.:52:43.

controllers for the same game, so there are lots of possibilities of

:52:44.:52:47.

Multiplay with people online and people like couch gaming and things

:52:48.:52:51.

like that, so it is really exciting for some family fun, really. How

:52:52.:52:57.

much time do you spend gaming? A bit too much, I think! How much is that?

:52:58.:53:04.

I probably touch a game every day, maybe between half an hour to two

:53:05.:53:09.

hours. Always different kinds of games on different platforms, so

:53:10.:53:12.

we're quite excited that Nintendo is coming out with a new platform for

:53:13.:53:17.

us to try on. Kate, what is the shape of the gaming market? Is it

:53:18.:53:23.

still a growing market? Yes, it is huge, I think people don't realise

:53:24.:53:28.

how big it is. It is a billion-dollar industry, in some

:53:29.:53:31.

places bigger than film, probably bigger than books at the moment, and

:53:32.:53:37.

I think the whole stereotype of a gamer is becoming wider because...

:53:38.:53:43.

People don't say when they watch a lot of films that they are a filmer

:53:44.:53:51.

or anything like that, so it is becoming more mainstream, which is

:53:52.:53:55.

great for us. Is there a stereotype of a gamer? Yes, there is, and

:53:56.:54:00.

obviously me and Anisa don't fit into the stereotype, it is fantastic

:54:01.:54:05.

we have people like us continuing to challenge what people think gamers

:54:06.:54:09.

are because there are lots of people like us out there. I saw with the

:54:10.:54:14.

new console it can detect a player's hand for a virtual game of rock,

:54:15.:54:22.

paper scissors? That sounds like it over complicated simple pleasure! Is

:54:23.:54:26.

that really going to be something that is widely used and vital to

:54:27.:54:32.

gamers? I was a bit confused about that, honestly, because it is a very

:54:33.:54:35.

simple game, like you say, and to make that a virtual thing does seem

:54:36.:54:40.

like it is over complicating things, but the fact they are creating the

:54:41.:54:43.

technology to be able to integrate that in two games doesn't mean much

:54:44.:54:48.

on its own, like why would people want to play rock, paper, scissors

:54:49.:54:51.

virtually all digitally, but the fact that technology is there means

:54:52.:54:55.

it will continue to advance and grow into much more interesting things,

:54:56.:55:04.

said that is what I am looking forward to. I see. Anisa, will you

:55:05.:55:06.

play virtual rock, paper, scissors? I would probably give it a go to see

:55:07.:55:10.

what it is like, but the interesting thing, they are just showing what

:55:11.:55:14.

the technology can do, and give developers ideas of how we can

:55:15.:55:18.

integrate that into new and upcoming games, so as a player I am excited

:55:19.:55:23.

to see what game designers will come up with with this new technology

:55:24.:55:28.

that was previously not really used elsewhere. Thank you both very much.

:55:29.:55:31.

Sky have pulled their comedy about Michael Jackson,

:55:32.:55:36.

after his daughter Paris said she was "incredibly offended"

:55:37.:55:38.

The episode was part of the channel's new Urban Myth series.

:55:39.:55:43.

Here is a tip. Miss Taylor. Get ready for the finale. Where is Dave?

:55:44.:56:02.

I'm Dave. Why did you start taking LSD? To feel like Carrie Grant. They

:56:03.:56:11.

have such keen senses. He was trying to kill his monkey.

:56:12.:56:18.

Let's bring in our entertainment correspondent, Ray finds is play

:56:19.:56:25.

Michael Jackson, what was the thinking behind it? His brother,

:56:26.:56:30.

Joseph Fiennes, the star of Shakespeare In Love, to a man

:56:31.:56:35.

wearing one glove, that was the movie was making in his career. It

:56:36.:56:39.

was a 23 minute comedy for sky arts, part of a series called Urban Myths

:56:40.:56:46.

which starts next week. The trailer you just saw was for the whole

:56:47.:56:51.

series and Paris Jackson, Michael Jackson's daughter, was asked what

:56:52.:56:55.

she made a bid for a Michael Jackson fan club and she put up tweet on

:56:56.:56:59.

Twitter saying she was a credibly in French -- incredibly offended,

:57:00.:57:02.

saying she founded the betrayal of her father to be very offensive, and

:57:03.:57:07.

also speaking about her godmother, Elizabeth Taylor, who also featured

:57:08.:57:10.

in the episode, saying it was ridiculously insulting. It is not

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just the race issue, it is the idea of anyone making fun of both her

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father and her godmother that she found an acceptable. Many people

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today will be saying, this is a clear case of censorship, the idea

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of a 23 minute comedy now no longer able to be broadcast. The Sky Arts

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statement says it was because, in light of concerns expressed by

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Michael Jackson's immediate family, they say they never intended to

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cause offence and Joseph Fiennes is fully supports the decision.

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I do understand the decision was taken fright at the top of Sky.

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The decision taken swiftly because this has only just come out, hasn't

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it? Yes, it was the big story yesterday, Paris Jackson so upset by

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what she had seen. Bear in mind she has not seen the whole 23 minute

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episode, she has only seen what viewers have just seen, those two

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six second clips. On that she complained, Sky reacted swiftly,

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pulling the episode, but the series will go ahead starting next

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Thursday. Thank you, Colin, and thank you for

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your company today. have been manipulated to become

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our greatest historical legends.

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