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Hello, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
As Donald Trump says he believes that torture can work to get | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
information out of terrorism suspects, we'll be asking | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
what impact his words will have across the world. | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
We'll be speaking exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who, | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
together with Amanda Knox, was wrongly imprisoned | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher. | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
And, the last survivor of the Dambusters raid | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
on Germany in 1943 has never received a knighthood. | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
TV presenter and RAF ambassador Carol Vorderman is leading | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
About British veteran Johnny Johnson. | :00:36. | :00:53. | |
Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning. | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
All so later we are going to hear exclusive live from the NSPCC, who | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
are today calling the new child protection measures in sports clubs. | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
We will bring you all the details, including the extra background | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
checks you might have to go through if you work with children. Do get in | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
touch on that, it would be really interesting to hear your views, two | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
loopholes they are calling for the Government to close immediately. I | :01:25. | :01:27. | |
would be interesting to hear what it is like trying to get a background | :01:28. | :01:29. | |
check now if you work with children. Do get in touch on all the stories | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
we're talking about this morning - If you text, you will be charged | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
at the standard network rate. The US President Donald Trump has | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
said he believes that torture can work to get information out | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
of suspected terrorists. But he said he would seek further | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC network | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
in his first televised interview since becoming President, | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
he also repeated his pledge to make Mexico pay for a wall along | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
its border with the United States. Here's our Washington | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
Correspondent, David Willis. Could America be set for a return | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
to the interrogation methods of old? A draft executive order | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
suggests its commander-in-chief could be preparing to return | :02:03. | :02:03. | |
to the dark days of waterboarding, by reopening the so-called black | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
site secret prisons operated In his first TV interview | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
since becoming President, Donald Trump made clear | :02:12. | :02:20. | |
he is considering scrapping an order by his predecessor that terrorist | :02:21. | :02:22. | |
suspects be treated in accordance "Torture works", | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
the President declared. When they're chopping off the heads | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East, | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
when Isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
of since mediaeval times, would I feel strongly | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
about water boarding? As far as I'm concerned, | :02:43. | :02:43. | |
we have to fight fire with fire. Reports suggest Mr Trump is also due | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
to announce plans to close America's borders to refugees, | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
for a period at least, and implement tougher visa | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
restrictions on citizens from certain predominantly Muslim | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
nations with links to terrorism, In an effort to quell the influx | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
of illegal immigrants from Mexico, Mr Trump has signed an executive | :03:03. | :03:16. | |
order to begin work on building A multimillion dollar venture | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
that he insists Mexico Ultimately it'll come out of what's | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
happening with Mexico and we're going to be | :03:23. | :03:34. | |
starting those negotiations soon, and we will be | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
in a form reimbursed by Mexico. That has ruffled the feathers | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
of America's southern neighbour. In an address to the nation, | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
Mexico's president said they have no The Mexican president is due | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
in Washington next week. He faces difficult discussions | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
with an American counterpart clearly determined to reverse | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
many of the changes brought With us now is our political | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
guru Norman Smith. Theresa May has a forthcoming | :03:58. | :04:10. | |
meeting with Donald Trump. What's Theresa May hoping | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
to get out of the meeting? Well, she wants to make sure that we | :04:14. | :04:20. | |
are in lockstep with Donald Trump, that we are like that with the new | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
US president. Because while all British prime ministers go over | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
there and talk about the special relationship, it seems to me Theresa | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
May is going on awful lot further. She talks about how, you know, we | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
have fought in wars together. But she says that Britain and America | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
made the more than world, and we can read it again. She seems almost to | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
be sort of harking back to an era when Britain and America were the | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
two superpowers who forged the way things were done in the world. She | :04:50. | :04:54. | |
says we can do that again, we have shaped institutions and values and | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
we can once again adopt that leadership role. The second very | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
striking thing is she seems to be pretty much budding Brexit on the | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
same page as Mr Trump's election victory, saying both heart of change | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
and renewal and a time when countries rediscover the sense of | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
self-confidence. You get the very clear impression that she wants to | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
put us as close as possible to Donald Trump. The reason for that, | :05:19. | :05:22. | |
the don't have to be Einstein, is because obviously we are leaving the | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
EU, and we need new relationships, and boy, oh boy, do we need that | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
strong alliance with America and that trade deal. And that means | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
being as close as possible to Donald Trump. Donald Trump as we heard has | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
been talking about torture. What sort of reaction has there been to | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
his comments? Very interesting, already there is quite a backlash | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
from MPs, including from, you know, some of her own MPs, who are very | :05:49. | :05:56. | |
unhappy about that. We had a senior Conservative MP saying, let me just | :05:57. | :06:02. | |
get his words, he said... He urged Mrs May to tell Donald Trump that in | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
no circumstances will she be allowing Britain to be dragged into | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
facilitating torture. We have it we could from Sarah Wollaston, another | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
leading Conservative MP. -- a tweet. She says, you cannot lead on a | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
global stage by advocating torture. And one MP who sits on the | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
intelligence and Security committee said, these are the people who | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
monitor our intelligence agencies, he respects me this morning to say, | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
this is going to cause real problems for the British intelligence | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
agencies because we are not going to be able to incorporate with the | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
Americans if they are using torture. -- he texted me this morning. The | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
guidance that is given to our intelligence officers, let me tell | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
you what it says. It says, personnel will be aware of concerns about | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
torture and cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment. There is an | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
absolute prohibition of torture in international law. The UK Government | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
policy on such conduct is clear that Mike we do not participate in or | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
condone the use of torture. In other words, British agents cannot take | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
advantage of American intelligence if it is being gleaned by torture, | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
and they cannot be in the same room if torture is being carried out. | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
That is going to presumably be something which Mrs May is going to | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
have to confront Donald Trump about. Thank you, Norman. | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
Good morning, Victoria. The Government will publish a bill to | :07:26. | :07:35. | |
enable it invoke Article 50 and trigger a process of leaving the | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davies says the bill will be | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
straightforward, although opposition party was will seek to make | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
amendments. The Government was forced to draw up legislation after | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
losing an appeal at the Supreme Court. | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care. | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
The charity says it's already illegal for teachers and social | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care. | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks, | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
A major report into the health of children in the UK has found | :08:07. | :08:16. | |
an "alarming gap" exists between the rich and poor - | :08:17. | :08:19. | |
with one in five young people suffering as a result of poverty. | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health also suggests | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
the UK is lagging behind most western European countries when it | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
comes to measures such as infant mortality rates and obesity. | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
Our Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes, reports. | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
Anxiety, depression and a need to be listened to. | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
These are the themes of a short play on mental health, devised by school | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
The issues they touch on reflect those in today's report | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
on the health of children and young people. | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
It paints a picture of the UK struggling to match other countries | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
The evidence has been developing for some time that all is not well | :08:56. | :09:04. | |
It's the first time we have really put together a proper picture | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
across all four countries, and the news is not good. | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
Some of the issues that raise concerns over the state of child | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
health include just 34% of babies breast fed to six months, | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
40% of children in England's most deprived areas are overweight | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
or obese, and half of adult mental health problems start | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
And for the drama group in Liverpool, mental health issues | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
Mental illnesses are an illness of the brain, and they're as valid | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
as any other illnesses to any other part of the body. | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
Just because you can't see it physically, it doesn't | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
Our production will mainly be to get rid of that stigma | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
about mental health, and just educate the audience a bit | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
The four governments of the UK are all challenged to consider | :09:49. | :09:59. | |
the impact their policies will have on children. | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
They've responded by restating commitments | :10:02. | :10:02. | |
GDP figures for the UK economy are to be released | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
The figures will cover the fourth quarter of 2016. | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
For more on this, our Business Presenter Ben Thompson | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
joins us from the Institute of Engineering and Technology - | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
in sight of both Parliament and the City. | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
Obviously lots of people watching these figures very closely, not | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
least the Prime Minister, as she heads off to meet Donald Trump. What | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
are we expecting from them? Yes, you're absolutely right, those | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
figures are watched very closely indeed by both parties, by the | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
politicians, and also by the City of London. Because it will give us an | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
indication of just how quickly the UK economy is growing, and it is | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
looking back, look back at the last quarter of last year. Of course, the | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
things the economy is contending with our issues that are facing us | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
in the year ahead, too. That is the uncertainty surrounding the Brexit | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
folk. There is the rise in prices as much inflation is picking up again, | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
it means we may be paying more in the shops and supermarkets. But | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
things like petrol when we go out shopping. Those prices are going up. | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
At the same time there has been a fall in the value of the pound, | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
which means that things we have bought from overseas will also be | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
more expensive. That includes products made elsewhere, and also | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
raw materials and food that is imported from elsewhere. So, given | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
that we are expecting the economy to have grown by about half of 1%, | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
slightly down on the three months before that. Many people saying that | :11:39. | :11:42. | |
is a good performance given all of that uncertainty. The big question | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
as we know is what happens in the year ahead? Business is craving some | :11:47. | :11:50. | |
sort of certainty. It's trying to find out what the Government will do | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
as far as Brexit is concerned, when it will trigger that Article 50 to | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
begin those so-called false proceedings. That is weighing very | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
heavily on their mind when it comes to making decisions -- divorce | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
proceedings. When it comes to expanding the business or taking on | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
new staff. There is uncertainty surrounding the presidency of Donald | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
Trump. Those figures are due out at 9:30am. | :12:15. | :12:22. | |
The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit | :12:23. | :12:24. | |
for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
The bank, which is more than 70% owned by the taxpayer, | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
could be fined an additional ?3 billion by the US | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
Almost half of all hospitals in England are failing to meet basic | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
Government standards for hospital food, according to data released | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
The Campaign for Better Hospital Food warns | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
The Government says standards are improving. | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
Ant and Dec won the prize for Best TV Presenter for the 16th year | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
running at last night's National Television Awards. | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
The BBC presenter Graham Norton was recognised for his services to | :12:55. | :13:04. | |
broadcasting. Len Goodman lost out on the public's choice of best | :13:05. | :13:06. | |
judge. Other winners included | :13:07. | :13:07. | |
Mary Berry for Best Judge. The BBC's Strictly Come Dancing | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
picked up the gong Emmerdale was voted Best Soap, | :13:10. | :13:11. | |
and ITV's This Morning won Please welcome your | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
host for the night! The National Television Awards bring | :13:16. | :13:25. | |
out the great and the good A new category was | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
introduced this year for Period Drama, won | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
by Call the Midwife. It was up against the likes of Peaky | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
Blinders and Poldark. Best Comedy went | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
to Mrs Brown's Boys, that got the award | :13:38. | :13:38. | |
for Best Talent Show. Best TV Judge went to a very | :13:39. | :13:46. | |
surprised Mary Berry, in her final The first and foremost | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
thing is to be fair, Despite our television | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
viewing habits changing, the average household watches | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
about 3.5 hours a day. Nights like these are a chance | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
to celebrate the best of what's Ladies and gentlemen, | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
the nation's heartthrob, Chatshow host Graham Norton | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
collected the Lifetime Achievement And Ant and Dec won Best TV | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
Presenter for the 16th year We are very lucky to have the three | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
shows at the moment, and long We just want to keep | :14:21. | :14:33. | |
making good telly. But the surprise of the night | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
was Casualty's win for Best Drama. The Saturday night staple | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
which turned 30 last year. It be some high profile and high | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
budget smashes, including the night manager and Game of Thrones. | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
I loved that air punch from Mary Berry! | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
Congratulations to all of the winners, particularly Ant and Dec. | :15:03. | :15:10. | |
With regards to Donald Trump's comments on torture, Robben Facebook | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
says, Theresa May is demonstrating incompetent and a total lack of | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
judgment by visiting the American president. Your views are welcome. | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
Do get in touch with us throughout the morning - | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
Time for sport with Hugh Woozencroft. | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
And Hugh, it's Throwback Thursday at the Australian Open | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
Good morning, Victoria. It's a vintage year in tennis. 2015 has | :15:30. | :15:39. | |
seen the rear burdens of that and Katya and Nadal, and now Venus and | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
Serena Williams will appear opposite each other -- the re-emergence. | :15:45. | :15:50. | |
Serena Williams won her match 6-2, 6-1. It took just 50 minutes. | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
Against the Arms seeded Croatian. It wasn't to be again the world number | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
two. -- the unseeded Croatian. She will be looking to win a record 23rd | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
grand slam singles title. In the way is her old sister Venus. She won | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
back her match in three sets -- her older sister. So, a great result for | :16:14. | :16:21. | |
her, a brilliant result for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and his | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
partner David whitener. They have won the final against the Paralympic | :16:26. | :16:31. | |
champions. We are guaranteed a British winner in the men's | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
wheelchair doubles in Melbourne. Alfie Hewett and Gordon Reid will | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
face off with their respective partners. Roger Federer playing at | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
the moment, just darted his semifinal against Stan Wawrinka, | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
five or in the first set of that one. | :16:46. | :16:53. | |
The league cup final, what is happening there? Liverpool were in | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
such good form, but they have reached their first EFL Cup final | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
since 1979, Southampton, after beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
last night, and they were one goal up from the first leg as well. Shane | :17:08. | :17:18. | |
Long sealed their place. They will face the whole city by Manchester | :17:19. | :17:32. | |
United. -- Hull. What about the reaction to Usain Bolt having one of | :17:33. | :17:37. | |
his medals being taken away because of a team-mate? He will not be | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
smiling today. And he will have to get back one of his Olympic gold | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
medals after his team-mate Nesta Carter was disqualified over a | :17:49. | :18:03. | |
doping incident at Beijing. Jamaica have been stripped of the gold in | :18:04. | :18:09. | |
the four by 100 metres. He can no longer claim to hold the famous | :18:10. | :18:14. | |
triple triple. He says he will appeal to the Court of Arbitration | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
for Sport. And some very good news for British skiing fans, something | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
we don't say often. Milli night and her guide won downhill gold on the | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
opening day of the world Para Alpine Championships in Italy. | :18:34. | :18:48. | |
Her guide shouts instructions from in front of her. He helped her to | :18:49. | :18:59. | |
see the racing line as well. She has won 11 medals, seven of them gold, | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
in a great 12 months. We will have more headlines that have passed. | :19:08. | :19:08. | |
CNN. It's nearly ten years since British | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
student Meredith Kercher was killed while studying in Italy, | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
in what became - and has remained - one of the most notorious | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
murder cases in the world. This morning, we can speak | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
exclusively to Raffaele Sollecito, who together with Meredith's | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
roommate Amanda Knox, was wrongly convicted | :19:24. | :19:24. | |
and imprisoned for the crime. He says the ordeal | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
has scarred his life. And with legal bills | :19:29. | :19:30. | |
that topped ?1 million, he's now pushing for compensation | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
from the Italian government. TRANSLATION: Both the defendants | :19:35. | :20:35. | |
for A, B, C and D are acquitted because they have not | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
committed the crime. I think we are still | :20:39. | :21:06. | |
on the journey to the truth. It may be the fact that we don't | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
ever really know what I'm a normal guy who passed | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
through a nightmare. Now I'm different, because of | :21:14. | :21:26. | |
the nightmare I passed through. Good morning to you. Good morning. | :21:27. | :21:47. | |
Tell us how your life has been changed by what you experienced. I | :21:48. | :21:55. | |
am a kind of normal person. It is a weird kind of celebrity which older | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
people look at, especially in Italy, but it is not a good thing, because | :22:02. | :22:09. | |
of course, I bore a burden of an image that is not who I really am. | :22:10. | :22:17. | |
That image is what, do you think? It depends who is looking at me. In | :22:18. | :22:27. | |
Italy, they are split between people who think that I am innocent and | :22:28. | :22:34. | |
people who think that I am guilty. It depends on what they have as a | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
background in their mind and they think about me something different | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
on one side or another. Those people who think you are guilty, do you | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
believe you will ever be able to change their minds, or have you | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
accepted that? Each time I spoke with them, each time any person | :22:54. | :23:02. | |
meets me and talks to me, they realise that what the media said | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
Mears totally -- said about me is totally different from what I am, so | :23:07. | :23:15. | |
they changed their mind each time, but as you may understand, it is not | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
possible to reach all the people involved in this case. With the | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
news, you can reach 5 million people. I can know a few hundred of | :23:23. | :23:30. | |
them. Can you give our audience an insight into what it is like to be | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
wrongly jailed for a crime that you had nothing to do with? It's really | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
a nightmare, and it affects all of your life. It changes it. You have | :23:43. | :23:51. | |
to face, you have to struggle for anything that you do. You have | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
attention for everything that you do. Even a tiny false step, it's | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
made like a huge thing. Like what? What false step of you made that has | :24:05. | :24:13. | |
been blown up? At the beginning, you can imagine that I was bringing a | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
pocket knife in my jeans since I was 13 years old. The police department | :24:21. | :24:28. | |
thought that it was the murder knife, even if it was just a | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
collection article. Even this, or the fact that I didn't ask for a | :24:37. | :24:45. | |
lawyer during the interrogations, or even my misinterpretation of the | :24:46. | :24:59. | |
seriousness of the case. Anything, really. Later, each thing I said, | :25:00. | :25:08. | |
each thing I looked at the case with Amanda, whatever I did was taken as | :25:09. | :25:17. | |
a fault, a big fall. Anything that I look at was a clue of my guilt, so | :25:18. | :25:28. | |
it is really tragic. And do you feel under scrutiny now, as you try to | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
rebuild your life, still? Yes, because I run my home business. I | :25:34. | :25:42. | |
have an application to commemorate people who have been lost, for | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
relatives who have passed away, and I got a lot of criticism on that. | :25:49. | :25:55. | |
Also, anything like whatever I decided to do, comments on other | :25:56. | :26:08. | |
cases on television, they ask me to be someone with an opinion because | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
of what I passed through. I got a lot of criticism as well, so it is | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
kind of anything I do has to be commented by anyone in a good way or | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
in a bad way. It depends on what they really think about me. Have you | :26:28. | :26:35. | |
accepted that you will probably for ever be associated with the death of | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
Meredith Kercher? I hope it will not be in this way for the rest of my | :26:43. | :26:50. | |
life. Of course, it's a big part, it's a parenthesis inside it's a | :26:51. | :26:57. | |
really important case, and in the history of judgments, it will be an | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
imprint for ever, but I don't think that my life is bounded by this, | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
because it is over. There has to be an end of it. Of course, in the | :27:12. | :27:20. | |
trials, this is the end. But in the people's mind, it has to be | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
digestive. How have you tried to rebuild your life? Yeah, I'm trying | :27:26. | :27:39. | |
still. I'm struggling. The greatest obstacle, I find, along my path is | :27:40. | :27:50. | |
prejudice by people whom I don't know. This is something that I think | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
will, step-by-step, clear up. It takes time and force and you have to | :27:56. | :28:03. | |
have the will to do that. I cannot hide and close inside myself, | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
because it can be worse. I was going to ask, have you ever considered | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
moving from Italy? Lily, that is where your family, but has that been | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
a consideration? Not so, because I have all my family, and I run a | :28:18. | :28:25. | |
business there. I have not considered. They did something | :28:26. | :28:37. | |
really terrible to me... They? The prosecution. There was nothing wrong | :28:38. | :28:48. | |
I did, so there is no real reason to leave my country because of | :28:49. | :28:57. | |
something that I didn't do. You believe that you and Amanda Knox are | :28:58. | :29:05. | |
victims - what do you mean by that? I mean that we were appointed by the | :29:06. | :29:11. | |
prosecution since the beginning without any real clue. They needed | :29:12. | :29:14. | |
to close the case as soon as possible because there was the | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
greatest attention ever from all over the world on a murder case, so | :29:20. | :29:27. | |
they needed the guilty people soon. I remember the police department of | :29:28. | :29:38. | |
Perugia is making a press conference, an international press | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
conference, saying that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are guilty, | :29:43. | :29:51. | |
and Meredith Kercher was murdered inside and orgies gone wrong. -- an | :29:52. | :30:06. | |
or G -- orgy gone wrong. They did not want to go back and look at | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
clues and real facts at the murder scene to follow the right theory. | :30:15. | :30:21. | |
And that is what you mean by saying you are rape victim. How do you | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
think of Meredith Kercher's family? I think about them, and I am really | :30:29. | :30:35. | |
sad that they still stick about the prosecution theory, because it is | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
completely wrong. They missed the case. They say they still have | :30:39. | :30:41. | |
questions and that they may never know the truth. That is what the | :30:42. | :30:49. | |
prosecution says today. It is exactly the same thing. I am sad | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
they repeat what the prosecution says, because the real facts about | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
this murder, I have seen the documents also you can read them and | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
see that the reality of this case is completely different from what the | :31:05. | :31:06. | |
prosecution wanted to make people believe. | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
What is the nature of your friendship or otherwise with Amanda | :31:12. | :31:22. | |
Knox now? We are friends. And, yeah, very fast friends. Sometimes we | :31:23. | :31:29. | |
talk, but not so often. Right. Do you ever talk about the past? No. | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
There is no reason to do that. Actually we did it for five days. It | :31:35. | :31:45. | |
is completely meaningless to talk about it. But you had a shared | :31:46. | :31:54. | |
experience, four years in jail, both of you, for something which you... | :31:55. | :32:00. | |
This is something that you can use for other people who have been | :32:01. | :32:09. | |
wrongly jailed. So I'm trying to reach associations to help wrongly | :32:10. | :32:22. | |
imprisoned prisoners. Prisoners, all of them, and also much more people | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
who have been jailed for a mistake. And I think that doing our | :32:29. | :32:39. | |
imprisonment, we formed even a path, but not the same, because she was | :32:40. | :32:51. | |
inside the female prison, I was inside the men's prison. So we | :32:52. | :32:59. | |
completely lived in two different world's, even though these world's | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
were parallel. On Friday, you will find out if you are to receive | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
compensation from the Italian authorities for the wrongful | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
imprisonment you experienced. What is the maximum that you could spec | :33:15. | :33:21. | |
to receive? -- that you could expect. The maximum is 516,000 | :33:22. | :33:26. | |
jurors. That is what you have asked for? Yeah. -- your rose. Of course, | :33:27. | :33:33. | |
we have all the rights to claim it. But that is not even enough to | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
compensate what my family and me paid around these years. Because the | :33:38. | :33:44. | |
past ten years of this ordeal, of this nightmare, in this ten years we | :33:45. | :33:52. | |
sold even our apartments. We have still that's on it. What do your | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
debts had up to, do you know? How much debt are you and your family | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
in? We have still around 400,000 euros of debt. So this can just | :34:08. | :34:16. | |
clear up our debts. And a little more. But, you know, in the end, | :34:17. | :34:31. | |
we... This is a calculation, because this is the maximum you can ask for | :34:32. | :34:38. | |
your wrongful imprisonment. It doesn't have nothing to do with the | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
ordeal itself. With the ordeal? With the ordeal itself, because of | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
course, this is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
ordeal didn't last only for years, it lasted for ten years. I was | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
inside this nightmare for ten years. After the decision, we have to think | :35:02. | :35:12. | |
and manage how to make the government no that this is not just | :35:13. | :35:22. | |
my imprisonment, this has affected all of my life, and affected even a | :35:23. | :35:29. | |
big part of my life ten years. Is it difficult to meet new people? Or | :35:30. | :35:36. | |
not? Yes, it's not that difficult, it's always... A kind of, they have | :35:37. | :35:45. | |
prejudiced. They always change their mind and view me as a normal guy. | :35:46. | :35:51. | |
But on the other side, before I come by and I speak to anybody, they feel | :35:52. | :35:59. | |
something that is, I don't know, and or around me, which is heavy, which | :36:00. | :36:05. | |
is something that they have to cope to, and they feel it. A couple of | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
messages from people watching you speak this morning. Sarah says, so | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
many lives have been ruined by this case. Roger says, the only victims, | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
he disagrees with you, he says the only victims in this dreadful crime | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
are Meredith Kercher and her family. There are many victims in this case. | :36:31. | :36:38. | |
Amanda's parents, my parents, all our families, Patrice mamba's | :36:39. | :36:45. | |
families, there are a lot of victims, actually. Meredith Kercher | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
is the first victim. But there are many others made by the prosecution | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
mistakes. What does your future hold? I don't know. What do you hope | :36:56. | :37:06. | |
for? I hope to make my company began bigger. -- bigger and bigger. And to | :37:07. | :37:15. | |
help people who have been wrongfully imprisoned. Those are the two goals. | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
I'm following. Thank you very much for talking to us today. Thanks for | :37:21. | :37:27. | |
your time. Thank you. We appreciate it. A couple of bits of breaking | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
news to bring you. This is on the state of our prisons in England and | :37:32. | :37:36. | |
Wales. New figures show that a record number of people killed | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. The Ministry of | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
Justice says there were 119 deaths, the highest number sets records were | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
first compiled in 1978. The overall number of deaths in jails was also | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
at a record 354. We will bring you more on that story and reaction in | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
the programme this morning. And the latest figures which give us an idea | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
about the state of the UK economy is just out. The UK economy grew by | :38:05. | :38:10. | |
0.6% during the the fourth quarter, the last few months of 2016. That | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
from the office of National sadistic. The British economy grew | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
by just over 0.5% during the last few months of 2016. | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
And we'll be live at the Science Museum in London | :38:23. | :38:24. | |
as Tim Peak unveils the spacecraft he used on his recent mission | :38:25. | :38:27. | |
Dambuster hero George Johnny Johnson is the last surviving Brit | :38:28. | :38:31. | |
of the bouncing bomb raids on Hitlers dams. | :38:32. | :38:33. | |
We speak to Carol Vorderman about why she's spearheading | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :38:36. | :38:51. | |
Good morning. Let's begin with President Trump. | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
The US President Donald Trump has said he believes that torture can | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
work to get information out of suspected terrorists. | :39:02. | :39:03. | |
But he said he would seek further advice before deciding | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
whether to bring back techniques such as water-boarding. | :39:06. | :39:07. | |
Speaking to the American ABC network, in his first televised | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
interview since becoming President, he also repeated his pledge to make | :39:11. | :39:12. | |
Mexico pay for a wall along its border with the United States. | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
It comes as Theresa May travels to the US to become the first world | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
The Government will publish a Bill today to enable it to invoke Article | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
50 and trigger the process of the UK leaving the European Union. | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
The Brexit Secretary David Davis says the Bill will be | :39:27. | :39:28. | |
straightforward, although opposition parties will seek | :39:29. | :39:30. | |
The Government was forced to draw up the legislation after losing | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
The NSPCC is demanding that it be made illegal for sports coaches | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care. | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
The charity points out that it's already illegal for teachers | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care. | :39:49. | :39:52. | |
It also wants to tighten the rules around background checks, | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
The Royal Bank of Scotland will take another financial hit | :40:00. | :40:09. | |
for mis-selling risky mortgages in America in the run-up | :40:10. | :40:11. | |
to the financial crisis of 2008. The bank, which is more than 70% | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
owned by the taxpayer, could be fined an additional | :40:15. | :40:16. | |
?3 billion by the US Department of Justice. | :40:17. | :40:24. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :40:25. | :40:26. | |
Hello again. It has been a big day for the Williams family. Venus and | :40:27. | :40:38. | |
Serena making the final at the Australian open. Venus took three | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
sets to beat a fellow American and reach her first grand slam final | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
since Wimbledon in 2009, when she played her younger sister Serena. | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
Serena dominated her opponent to reach a 34th major final, it took | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
her less than an hour. Roger Federer won the first set of his semifinal | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. He broke him in the last | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
game of the set. So far it has gone with serve 2-2 in the second. Shane | :41:06. | :41:12. | |
Long's goal booked them a spot in the EFL Cup final with eight 2-0 win | :41:13. | :41:19. | |
over Liverpool. Britain's Milind night won downhill gold on the | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
opening day of the world Paris skiing championships in Italy. She | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
beat the five-time Paralympic champion of Slovakia. That's all the | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
sport for now, we will be back with more just after 10am. Let's go live | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
to the Commons now. The Brexit Secretary David Davies is outlining | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
the Goverment's white paper, the formal policy document, to his | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
colleagues. Taking into account the framework between the future | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
relationship of the EU and the UK. It is therefore impossible to start | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
negotiations unless one has an outline agreement on what that | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
framework should be. Obviously, MPs are able to respond to what David | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
Davies is saying. This is Peter Lilley, Conservative MP. Will we | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
press our partners to clarify that right at the beginning of the | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
negotiations? Well, we already have done. I am in my one meeting with, | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
when he was talking about the sequential approach, which seems to | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
me not practical, for me it really isn't possible to come to an outcome | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
on either the negotiations without a clear idea of the trade aspect of | :42:31. | :42:38. | |
the negotiations. His description is pretty accurate, and I've said in | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
terms that we intend all of this to be concluded within the two years. | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
Big off says it wants nothing further to do with the European | :42:48. | :42:50. | |
Court of Justice. So the Government says. In any new free trade | :42:51. | :42:58. | |
agreement with this 27 member states, there will have to be a | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
legal arbitration mechanism whose rulings will be obliged to | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
implement. If the European Court of Justice is not acceptable, what | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
court would be? Well, it would not this is the only by a court. He is | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
quite right, most international... LAUGHTER | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
Listen to the answer! Most international trade agreements have | :43:22. | :43:25. | |
an arbitration, normally preceded by mediation, which is used more often. | :43:26. | :43:29. | |
In the case of the Canada arbitration, for example, you have | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
got one person from each side and one neutral who are appointed by | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
agreement, if agreement cannot be reached, it is a fallback and a | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
simple arbitration mechanism. There is all of the difference in the | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
world between a simple trade arbitration mechanism and a court | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
that reaches into every nut and cranny of your society stop by David | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
Davies, Brexit Secretary, answering a question from Hilary Benn. What is | :43:54. | :43:57. | |
David Davis doing this morning, Norman? That was a little bit of | :43:58. | :44:01. | |
shadow boxing. What they are all waiting for is this Bill to trigger | :44:02. | :44:08. | |
our withdrawal from the EU, what is called the European Union | :44:09. | :44:17. | |
notification of withdrawal bill. That's the legislation which will | :44:18. | :44:20. | |
begin the process of us leaving the EU and being out within the next two | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
years. MPs are kind of waiting until they see that. The expectation is | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
that it will be a short bill, stripped down, pared back, the | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
Government alt-right FastTrack through the Commons. Later this | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
morning we will get an idea from the Government in which the pace it | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
wants to move. The signs are they want that bill through the House of | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
Commons within a fortnight. And then it goes to that place, the House of | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
Lords, where there may be more trouble ahead. The Government has no | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
control in the House of Lords, they do not have a majority, and appears | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
pretty much do what they want, but most of them are opposed to Brexit. | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
There is a potential for them to cause all sorts of difficulties. The | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
indications are the Government have left a big fat whopping six weeks to | :45:08. | :45:14. | |
get the Bill through the House of Lords in order to meet Mrs May's | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
deadline of the end of March for beginning, beginning with all from | :45:20. | :45:20. | |
the EU. Thank you very much, Norman. Coming up... | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
We hear from the man known as "the Spielberg of video games", | :45:25. | :45:26. | |
and get his vision of Let's go to the Science Museum | :45:27. | :45:29. | |
in London now, where everyone's favourite astronaut - | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
Tim Peake - is meeting fans Let's join our correspondent | :45:34. | :45:35. | |
Rebecca Morelle. I am here at the science Museum, and | :45:36. | :45:57. | |
here is the Soyuz capsule that took Tim Peake into space. It then safely | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
brought him back down again. You can see from looking at it, the size of | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
it, it is pretty small. The crew of three would have been really snug in | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
there. Tim Peake spoke about his experience inside the Soyuz capsule | :46:15. | :46:22. | |
a little while ago at a press conference. The first time I got to | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
say it was -- see it was at the top of the elevator. It had 300 tonnes | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
of rocket fuel waiting to go into orbit. That evening, there were | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
three very excited astronauts in the capsule, but I think there were | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
about 3000 very excited students right here at the London science | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
Museum to witness that launch. I have subsequently been able to watch | :46:45. | :46:52. | |
the launch party from space, and it was one of the few occasions where I | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
wished I was on the ground because it seemed there was a good party | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
going on back here. After that, I saw this spacecraft every day, | :46:59. | :47:06. | |
because our docking port was right next to the cup of the window. I | :47:07. | :47:15. | |
always took a moment to look at it, not just out of fondness for the | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
Accra, but this thing is our lifeboat for six months, our only | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
way of getting back to Earth safely. And the Soyuz is sat there for six | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
months, exposed to the vacuum of space, B radiation, small meteorite, | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
and so it is prudent to visually inspect it each day to make sure | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
everything is OK. One of the most demanding phases for a spacecraft, | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
it is of course, is to return the crew safely through the Earth's | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
atmosphere. Although this module has been refurbished, I was delighted to | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
see that it still bears the scorch marks of the 1600 Celsius punishment | :47:56. | :48:03. | |
the spacecraft takes as it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere. | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
And you can see the scorch marks on there. This thing went through a | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
really turbulent ride as it re-entered. There is a select band | :48:14. | :48:20. | |
of people who have been into space and have travelled in one of the | :48:21. | :48:24. | |
Soyuz capsules before. I am joined by one, Helen Sharman. You went up | :48:25. | :48:33. | |
in 1991. This must bring back some real memories. It is fabulous to see | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
a spacecraft that has really been to space. Rarely do space astronauts | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
get to see their own. It is often just before launch date, and then | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
once you are in space, of course. You can see on the outside that it | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
has really been through all that turmoil and turbulence as it comes | :48:55. | :48:57. | |
back through the atmosphere. Very special. We have your spacesuit on | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
display, and now they have purchased the capsule for an undisclosed | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
amount - why is it important to get objects like this on display for the | :49:09. | :49:16. | |
public? Why do it? It is a piece of history, but it ties us very closely | :49:17. | :49:24. | |
to a person who sat inside it for the launch and the landing. If you | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
imagine what has happened inside that spacecraft, how Tim must've | :49:30. | :49:32. | |
been feeling, and looking at all the science, technology and engineering | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
that goes into creating not just the capsule but the whole aspect of | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
making space flight possible. It is hugely inspirational. Helen, thank | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
you very much. The public will be able to see this soon. It forms part | :49:46. | :49:54. | |
of the permanent collection here. The last time Tim saw this was back | :49:55. | :50:04. | |
in Kazakhstan. It must have been quite an emotional moment for him to | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
actually see it this morning, too. The public will get a chance to clap | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
eyes on it later on today. Thank you, Rebecca. | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
George Johnson - the last surviving member | :50:19. | :50:20. | |
of the famous Dambusters Raid - was only in his early 20s | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
when he and the rest of Bomber Command Squadron 617 | :50:24. | :50:25. | |
embarked on the perilous mission to destroy dams in Germany in 1943. | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
His job was to aim the bouncing bombs, circling each dam | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
in his Lancaster 10 times until certain the | :50:32. | :50:33. | |
Every attempt to improve the aim increased the risk, | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
and many of his friends were killed that night. | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
Last year George - who everyone calls Johnny - | :50:45. | :50:52. | |
was passed over for a knighthood after being nominated | :50:53. | :50:54. | |
for his charity work and service to the country. | :50:55. | :50:57. | |
Today his friend Carol Vorderman is going to Parliament - | :50:58. | :50:59. | |
along with Gulf War veteran John Nicol - in a campaign to get | :51:00. | :51:02. | |
I'm ambassador for the Royal Air Force Air Cadets. | :51:03. | :51:10. | |
It was our 75th anniversary so we had this massive | :51:11. | :51:12. | |
Johnny came, and the Air Cadets absolutely adore him. | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
Everybody in the Air Force adores him. | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
Since then, because both Johnny and I live in Bristol, | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
we've met a few times and just had a nice time. | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
But I had no idea that he'd been nominated, let alone... | :51:28. | :51:32. | |
And he didn't appear on the New Year's Honours and that's when it | :51:33. | :51:39. | |
motivated you to really power behind this petition. | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
Together with The Sun newspaper and I. | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
And a lot of people don't know the story of the Dambusters. | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
I'm 56, so I was brought up in a generation where we were told | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
stories about World War II, because many of our fathers had | :51:59. | :52:00. | |
But what I found over the last three weeks, | :52:01. | :52:08. | |
So it's as relevant today, after last year and all | :52:09. | :52:16. | |
of the tumultuous things that are happening around the world, | :52:17. | :52:20. | |
it's becoming more relevant, how we fight for peace. | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
Tell our audience, for those who want to learn more, | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
Dambuster Squadron, as it's known, is the 617 Squadron. | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
And in May 1943 it was decided that we had to take the war to Hitler. | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
So they were in Lancaster bombers which flew very low and slow. | :52:39. | :52:42. | |
And this was a bouncing bomb, which was aimed - | :52:43. | :52:49. | |
and designed by Barnes Wallis - so that they could destroy | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
some of the dams, and therefore a lot of the industrial heartland | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
when the dams burst, which were generating | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
and making aircraft and tanks and machinery and so on, | :53:03. | :53:04. | |
which were obviously servicing Hitler and his armies and forces. | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
So the Dambusters raid, it was an outrageous thought, | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
Many aircraft took off, and sadly not so many came back, | :53:13. | :53:21. | |
and they managed to destroy three dams and damage another. | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
Three were captured as prisoners of war. | :53:27. | :53:46. | |
And of those 77, only 45 survived the war within Bomber Command. | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
Bomber Command was made up of a number of squadrons, | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
And Bomber Command was the military unit that suffered the most | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
Because of the bombings on certain cities towards the end of the war, | :53:56. | :54:06. | |
they were snubbed politically when the war was over. | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
And this was felt very deeply by the veterans and their families. | :54:11. | :54:16. | |
It was only in 2012, and I had quite a lot to do | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
with the fundraising for the Bomber Command memorial. | :54:20. | :54:21. | |
A memorial was erected to those people in Green Park. | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
So Johnny has said that if he were offered a knighthood, | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
he is a terrifically modest gentleman, that he would accept | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
with due humility on behalf of those in 617 Squadron and for the greater | :54:35. | :54:37. | |
What exactly are you doing today with this petition? | :54:38. | :54:52. | |
John Nicol, who is a Gulf War veteran, and I, are starting | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
at the Bomber Command memorial because it's significant that we do. | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
We have this petition, another 32,000 people signed overnight. | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
We will be handing over the petition, but also | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
a new official nomination for an honour at 10 Downing St. | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
We will be going from the Bomber Command memorial to 10 | :55:15. | :55:16. | |
I don't think we will be allowed in, but we are handing it over. | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
And the petition remains open after that. | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
Thank you very much. All the best, thank you. | :55:26. | :55:33. | |
Next: Britain's economy grew by 0.6% in the final three months in 2016 | :55:34. | :55:43. | |
according to figures from the office of National statistics. Some | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
economists forecast a slowdown after the June referendum. Let's speak to | :55:49. | :55:58. | |
Andy Verity. It is the same as most of the economic news since the | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
referendum, it is on the upsides. -- on the upside. Before the global | :56:03. | :56:12. | |
financial crisis nine years ago, we have had slower growth and it has | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
been more volatile, our pants down, and it was expected that the | :56:18. | :56:20. | |
referendum would cause an economic shock that would slow us down again, | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
but no sign of it so far. The Bank of England did various things to try | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
and ameliorate that. I am sure the Bank of England would like us to | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
think its actions had avoided any further slowdown, but I think it's | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
mostly down to the consumer, really. And the consumer being willing to | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
borrow probably unsustainable amounts to sustain spending. Most of | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
the growth in these numbers is from the services sector. Which means | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
what? It is having a haircut, getting on public transport, | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
watching TV, all of those things. It is not construction or production. | :57:00. | :57:06. | |
Think of North Sea oil etc, getting metal out of the ground. Those are | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
relatively small part of the economy. The economy is 80% services | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
anyway, so you want that sector to grow. The concern there has been for | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
years is that we have balanced growth which emphasises exports and | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
getting money into the country. Instead, we are growing on the same | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
basis we grew before the love of financial crisis, but we're | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
borrowing and spending. Thank you very much, Andy. | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
We'll have reaction to Donald Trump's comments on torture - | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
he says he believes it can work to get information out | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
We will also have reaction to the figures released in the last | :57:41. | :57:50. | |
half-hour showing that a record number of people killed themselves | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
in jail in England and Wales last year. The latest news and sport in a | :57:54. | :57:55. | |
moment, after the latest weather. We will start with our weather | :57:56. | :58:05. | |
watcher pictures, because it is quite grey out there. This was North | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
Yorkshire. There are a few breaks in the cloud in Cheshire. Some sunshine | :58:12. | :58:21. | |
poking through here. The cold feel is accentuated by the wind. It is a | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
cold, bitter wind coming in from the near continent. The cold across | :58:28. | :58:31. | |
Europe has been well documented recently, and it is heading our way. | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
Some places will struggle to get above freezing. The breeze has | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
helped to lift the fog out of the way, but we have a lot of low cloud. | :58:41. | :58:47. | |
Under the cloud, perhaps a spot or two of light rain, perhaps a flake | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
of snow. Most places will be dry but cold, most places hovering around | :58:53. | :59:00. | |
freezing. In the north, a few breaks in the cloud, as we have seen in | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
Cheshire, but the best breaks have been across central and northern | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
parts of Scotland. The eastern side sees more clout. -- more | :59:09. | :59:25. | |
cloud. For many of us, it will feel like a subzero day. It feels like | :59:26. | :59:36. | |
minus five Celsius, minus six Celsius across the North of England. | :59:37. | :59:40. | |
The end of the week is windy, from the South. In the West, changes are | :59:41. | :59:46. | |
taking place. A weather front moves in from the Atlantic, the breeze | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
picks up, and there will be thicker cloud, outbreaks of rain in Northern | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
Ireland, western extremities of England and Wales, and just getting | :59:55. | :00:02. | |
into Scotland as well. Pretty chilly in the north-east, only to Celsius | :00:03. | :00:11. | |
in Newcastle. -- two Celsius. Temperatures are up a bit. Eight | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
Celsius is fairly typical. Saturday night into Sunday, rain moves across | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
the southern half of the UK. There are questions about the details were | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
Sunday. This rain could go further north or south. Not set in stone, | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
but the temperatures relatively mild. Further north, sunshine and | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
six Celsius. Hello, it's 10am, I'm | :00:36. | :00:49. | |
Victoria Derbyshire. In an exclusive interview, Raffaele | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
Sollecito, who - together with Amanda Knox - was wrongly imprisoned | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
for the murder of British student Meredith Kercher, tells this | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
programme he's been living in a nightmare for ten years. There are | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
many victims in this case. Amanda's parents, my parents, all of our | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
families. Patrick's family, Patrick himself, the lot of victims, | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
actually. Of course, Meredith Kercher is the first victim. But | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
there are many others made by prosecution mistakes. He has also | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
told us he is hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt after paying legal | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
bills. He will find out this week if he is to achieve compensation from | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
the Italian government. And you can watch the whole | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
of that exclusive interview Donald Trump says "torture | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
works" with terrorists, as Theresa May prepares to fly | :01:34. | :01:41. | |
to the US to meet him. When they are chopping off the heads | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
of people because they happen to be When Isis is doing things that | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
nobody has ever heard of since medieval times, | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
would I feel strongly As far as I'm concerned, | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
we have to fight fire with fire. We'll be speaking to Moazzam Begg, | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
a former Guantanamo detainee who says he experienced torture | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
at the hands of the Americans, and to a former Director | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
of Intelligence at M16 to ask him The NSPCC tells this programme that | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
if we are to tackle child sex abuse in sport it must be made illegal | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
for sports coaches to have sex with We will talk to them in the next | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
hour. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :02:14. | :02:25. | |
with a summary of today's news. Good morning. A record number of | :02:26. | :02:36. | |
inmates killed themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year, new | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
figures show. The Ministry of Justice said the -- the world 119 | :02:40. | :02:49. | |
suicides. The number of self harm incidents jumped by 13% -- 23%. I am | :02:50. | :02:55. | |
very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
high. The levels of self harm are too high. Since I became Justice | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
Secretary I have focused on dealing with this problem. That is why we | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
are investing an extra ?100 million, 2500 extra prison officers. The man | :03:10. | :03:17. | |
acquitted of the murder of Meredith Kercher alongside Amanda Knox has | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
told this programme that he still has more than 400,000 euros of debt | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
following the case. He said the maximum he can claim from the | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
Italian government following the acquittal doesn't cover the cost. | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
This is calculated by the days you spent in prison. But this ordeal | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
didn't last only four years, it lasted for ten years. I was inside | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
this nightmare for ten years. GDP figures for the UK economy, | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
which measure national output, They cover the fourth | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
quarter of last year They're unchanged from 0.6% over | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
the previous three months. Economists had forecast a slow-down | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
after the Brexit referendum. but strong consumer spending in the | :03:57. | :04:05. | |
run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel and restaurant industry is | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
boosted the economy. The US President Donald Trump says | :04:08. | :04:10. | |
he believes that torture can work to get information out | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
of suspected terrorists. But he says he would seek further | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
advice before deciding whether to bring back techniques | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
such as water-boarding. Speaking to the American ABC | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
network, Mr Trump also repeated his pledge to make Mexico | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
pay for a wall along its border It comes as Theresa May travels | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
to the US to become the first world The NSPCC is demanding that it be | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
made illegal for sports coaches to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds | :04:30. | :04:37. | |
in their care. The charity points out that it's | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
already illegal for teachers and social workers to have sex | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
with 16 and 17-year-olds It also wants to tighten the rules | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
around background checks, with the most stringent checks | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
becoming compulsory for all coaches The Government will publish a Bill | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
today to enable it to invoke Article 50 and trigger the process of the UK | :04:55. | :05:07. | |
leaving the European Union. The Brexit Secretary David Davis | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
says the Bill will be straightforward, although opposition | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
parties will seek The Government was forced to draw up | :05:14. | :05:14. | |
the legislation after losing That's a summary of | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
the latest BBC News. Good morning. As we said earlier, it | :05:19. | :05:36. | |
really is throwback Thursday. Venus and Serena Williams will meet in the | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
final of the Australian open. 35-year-old Serena powering past her | :05:41. | :05:47. | |
opponent 6-2, 6-1 in just 15 minutes. For the unseeded Croatian, | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
it was the first Grand Slams Sehmi the 18 years, but it wasn't to be in | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
the world number two. She will now attempt to win a record 23rd Grand | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
Slam singles title. The woman standing in her way is her older | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
sister, Venus. The 13th seed won a match in 13 sets -- in three sets to | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
win her first major match since she beat Serena in 2009. Whenever I'm | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
playing on the court with her, I mean, I'm playing like the best | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
competitor in the game. I don't think I'm trying to change either, | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
you know. I can compete, you know, against any odds. I'm going to do | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
what I can to earn it. I'm not thinking about, oh, what can I do to | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
win, I'm thinking, oh, what can I do to earn it? That's what I can tell | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
you right now, I'm so excited. Roger Federer has established a two set | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
lead against his Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka in his semifinal. He | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
bids to win a fifth Australian open title. Wawrinka is one in the third | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
in that one. A great day for Britain's Andy Lapthorne and partner | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
David Wagner. They won the final against the Paralympic champions in | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
straight sets. That was in the men's quads. Southampton have reached the | :07:10. | :07:18. | |
first EFL Cup final since 1979 by beating Liverpool 1-0 at Anfield | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
last night. A goal up from the first leg, Southampton did spend much of | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
the match defending, before Shane Long booked his side's trip to | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
Wembley in added time. Amazingly, Southampton have reached the final | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
without conceding a single goal in the competition. They will face | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
either Hull city or Manchester United, who play the match tonight. | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
United have a lead in that one. We are used to see a white crane on the | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
face of Usain Bolt, but he definitely won't be smiling this | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
time -- a wide grin. He was disqualified because of his | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
team-mate's doping violation at the Beijing games. They say his | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
team-mate tested positive in a free analysis of samples from the 2008 | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
Olympics. They made up after the relay team. As a result, Jamaica | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
have been stripped of their gold, meaning he can no longer claim to | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
hold that famous treble - treble. He may get a repeal because Carter will | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. The winner of the | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
downhill gold has now withdrawn from today's super G competition. She | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
collided heavily with the crash barriers after she crossed the | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
finish line when she won the downhill gold on the opening day of | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
the world Para Alpine ski championships in Italy. That's all | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
the sport for now. We will have the headlines at 10:30am. Thanks, Hugh. | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
Over the past few months on this programme, we've brought | :08:47. | :08:48. | |
you exclusive testimony from former footballers who allege | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
they were sexually abused as young players at clubs across the country. | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
Now it's emerged that it's not illegal for sports coaches to have | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care. | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
The NSPCC is today demanding that loophole must be closed | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
The charity also wants to tighten the rules around background checks. | :09:04. | :09:19. | |
Wanting the most stringent check compulsory for all coaches | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
Jim, people will be shocked it's not illegal for sports coaches to have | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in their care. | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
Let's take you through how it works in this country at the moment. | :09:30. | :09:39. | |
But it's also illegal for someone in authority to have sex | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
But that only applies to certain roles and professions. | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
So for example, a teacher, social worker, someone | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
It's not across it is only in these named professions. | :09:53. | :10:01. | |
So it would then be illegal for a football coach to have sex, | :10:02. | :10:09. | |
even consensual sex, with anyone under the age of 18. | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
The NSPCC says that should also apply to other roles - | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
And there's a second change asked for as well? | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
So this is to do with background checks which show whether someone | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
has a criminal record or has been banned from working with children. | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
If you or a football club, you can have a background check. That should | :10:29. | :10:37. | |
tell you, does this person have a criminal record? Are they barred | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
from working with children even if they don't have a criminal record? | :10:40. | :10:41. | |
In 2012, the Government relaxed the rule on this. | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
So as things stand, it's now in fact against the law for a local football | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
club to get the most stringent or enhanced check unless that coach | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
is working on their own with kids on a regular basis. | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
They have to be working unsupervised on a regular basis. | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
The NSPCC now thinks the Government has gone too far. | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
They want to look into assistant coaches and assistant managers who | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
might not be unsupervised, but do have a lot of contact with kids. | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
They want that loophole closed so it is compulsory for everybody. | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
One person this morning called this "drivel that will make | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
Their argument is that this is really tinkering around | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
the edges, and they want a much tougher form of child protection. | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
One idea is Mandatory Reporting, which we've spoken about | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
The Goverment's consulting on that measure at the moment. | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
Now, that would mean if you are working for a football | :11:41. | :11:42. | |
club and you have a reasonable suspicion that abuse is going on, | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
And the argument is that would change the culture | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
It would be against the law to not report it. That is not the case in | :11:50. | :12:02. | |
this country at the moment, whereas it is in other countries like | :12:03. | :12:03. | |
Australia. Ian Ackley was the victim of abuse | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
in the 80s by a football coach. He is now one of the people speaking | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
to the FA about child safety. This takes a shift | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
in attitude of people. You can put all the legislation | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
in place that you want to, but unless the attitudes | :12:18. | :12:23. | |
of people and organisations shift dramatically, we are going to be | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
stuck with all the same barriers And what we need to do is make this | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
effective to protect all children What does the Government say? It | :12:30. | :12:43. | |
says it has written to all of sport's governing bodies late last | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
year to make the child protection policies as strong as possible. | :12:48. | :12:48. | |
Thanks, Jim. We can speak to the NSPCC's | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
Lisa McCrindle, who wants the law to be changed, | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
father of two sport playing kids and Chair of Culture, | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
Media and Sport Committee Damian Collins MP, Andy Wilby, | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
who was abused by his gym coach at 14 years old and has | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
waived his right to anonymity, Lisa, protection in sport ends at | :13:11. | :13:25. | |
16? What currently happens is around those individuals having | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
relationships with 16 and 17-year-olds, what we want to make | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
sure that is the same protections are in place are extended to those | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
working regularly with children who are also able to establish those | :13:36. | :13:38. | |
relationships and potentially abuse them. Because a predator working | :13:39. | :13:45. | |
with kids, even with another adult are, can still target children? | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
Absolutely. In relation to the 16 and 17-year-olds, extension of the | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
existing laws we think it should be covering a wider group of people, to | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
protect those young people developing intense relationships in | :13:59. | :14:01. | |
sporting and training relationships, they will have intense | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
relationships, a position of trust which can be abused. Just as weak | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
spectators not to do that, we should be applying that two other -- just | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
as teachers are not expected to do that. Did you know that legally | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
sports coaches could have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds in the care? | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
Well, Victoria, I was shocked to hear that, too, because I think it | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
is wrong. I think anybody looking at that would say that this is clearly | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
a massive loophole that needs to be closed down. It is entirely | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
inappropriate for coaches to have sexual contact with people as young | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
as 16 and 17 years old. Are you going to close it down then? I will | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
certainly raise this with the Government. I think this should be | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
looked at, and if it acquires a change in legislation we should do | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
that. And criminal checks, which the NSPCC is also calling for to be | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
tightened today, before 2012-13 there was a process in which an | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
adult who was working regularly with children in the presence of another | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
adult could be checked. You and the Lib Dems relaxed that, you stopped | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
that. Was that a mistake? I think we have to be careful with this. | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
Because I see with my own children involved in grassroots sport, a lot | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
of grassroots sport is delivered by parents, you know, working as | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
coaches and supporting coaches. At that grassroots level, where | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
actually the access to the children is fully supervised, often by | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
multiple adults, in an environment like that, would it be necessary? I | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
think that environment is very different from the sort of | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
environment where we have had this debate and, you know, all. Or is you | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
have had on your programme about abuse in sport, younger people who | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
are part of formal academies and clubs. I think the coaches working | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
in the environment like that, where unsupervised access is more likely | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
to occur, should have those checks in place. I think we need to look | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
very carefully at the recommendation Yannis BCC has made and say, | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
actually, should this be a statutory requirement or an obligation that is | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
placed on the sports and the clubs to make sure that any coach who | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
works for them who is likely or potentially could have unsupervised | :16:20. | :16:19. | |
access is checked in this way. Do you accept that even if there are | :16:20. | :16:30. | |
other adults around, a predator can groom children? As I say, when you | :16:31. | :16:41. | |
look at real grassroots sports, and my eight-year-old son plays at the | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
local rugby club, there is a family atmosphere, lots of parents and | :16:46. | :16:49. | |
coaches around. The reality is that a lot of grassroots sport is | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
delivered by volunteers and parents together working on weekend | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
mornings. That is different from a more formal coaching relationship. I | :17:01. | :17:07. | |
understand the point you're making. It is very different. On the | :17:08. | :17:16. | |
question of bringing in legislation across the board, it will create a | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
huge amount of bureaucracy for community and family run clubs, | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
whereas actually what we want to do is target a structure that is | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
slightly further up the football pyramid, where children are more | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
intensively involved in sport, under the supervision of coaches and away | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
from their families. I think all the proper checks should be done in that | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
situation. Should that be enforced by the sport or does it require an | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
across-the-board change to legislation, is the question. Let me | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
bring in Andy. Thank you for talking to us. You were groomed and abused | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
by your weight training course when you were 14 and it went on for 18 | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
months. I wonder if you can tell the audience what the impact has been on | :18:01. | :18:08. | |
your life what you went through. It has been difficult, leading me to | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
suburb with anxiety and depression. Drug and drink problems when I was | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
younger. And it is quite difficult. My kids are getting involved with | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
grassroots sport now, and it's quite difficult to trust that the same | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
thing wouldn't happen to them at some point. What do you think of | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
what the NSPCC is calling for today, for these, as they describe them, | :18:31. | :18:38. | |
loopholes to be closed by the Government immediately? I completely | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
agree. Anything that can protect children from what I have been | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
through is nothing but a good thing, and the Government should be doing | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
everything in their power to make sure children are not abused. Do you | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
think that enhancing the checks on those who work with children could | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
lead to fewer volunteers coming forward to help out with their kids' | :19:01. | :19:06. | |
sports clubs? May be in the short-term, but I see it as a minor | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
inconvenience when it comes to make King sure -- making sure our | :19:11. | :19:19. | |
children are safe. You heard what David said - potentially it could be | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
too bureaucratic and could put people off volunteering. What do you | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
say? Those volunteers are already checked. That already happens, the | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
enhanced check. We want to make sure that the most stringent check, a | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
check against those who are barred from working with children, is | :19:38. | :19:42. | |
included. At the moment, the legislation prohibits that. In | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
response, we would be concerned. Most of the cases we have heard | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
about recently, and the calls we get on our helpline, demonstrate that | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
abuse doesn't have to take place when you are alone. It is | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
facilitated with the relationships that are established with the child, | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
and also with the family and carers. Because you've established that | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
relationship, the abuse can then take place in other settings because | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
the trust is enabled. This won't create additional bureaucracy | :20:14. | :20:16. | |
because those individuals were already being checked. This is an | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
opportunity to protect our children and ensure that the most stringent | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
checks are undertaken on adults so we're not losing opportunities to | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
make sure we are prohibiting those who are barred from working with | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
children. And the, trusting other adults when your kids want to get | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
involved in sport, do you find yourself stopping them doing things | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
because of what you experienced as a teenager? -- Andy. The majority of | :20:48. | :20:58. | |
people are not predators, and you do have to trust these things. I would | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
be reluctant to leave them with anybody unsupervised. Thank you for | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
coming on the programme. Damian Collins, thank you for joining us. | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
And Lisa McCrindle from the NSPCC. We'll see what happens and report | :21:14. | :21:15. | |
back for our audience. A record number of inmates killed | :21:16. | :21:25. | |
themselves in prisons in England and Wales last year. We will be to | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
someone who knows what it is like to be suicidal in prison. | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
Donald Trump says torture works and "we have to | :21:32. | :21:33. | |
In his first TV interview since becoming US President, | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
he told ABC News that he will be consulting with his Defence | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
Secretary and CIA Director over whether they should look | :21:40. | :21:41. | |
at using water-boarding, which simulates drowning | :21:42. | :21:42. | |
and is currently banned in the US, and other methods. | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
Mr President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
Yeah. And a hell of a lot worse. | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
When they are shooting, when they are | :21:56. | :22:02. | |
When they are chopping off the heads of people | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East. | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
When Isis is doing things that nobody has | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
ever heard of since medieval times, would I feel strongly about | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
Now, with that being said, I'm going with General Mattis. | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
I'm going with my secretary, because I think Mike Pompeo is going to be | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
phenomenal. I am going to go with what they say. I spoke as recently | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
24 hours ago with people at the highest level intelligence and asked | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
them the question, does it work? Does torture work? The answer was | :22:40. | :22:47. | |
yes, absolutely. You are now the president - do you want | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
waterboarding? I don't want anyone to have their head chopped off in | :22:52. | :22:54. | |
the Middle East because they are Christian or Muslim or anything | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
else. Now they chop them off, put them on camera and send them all | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
over the world. We have that and we are not allowed to do anything. We | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
are not playing on an even field. I will say this: I will rely on Mike | :23:07. | :23:14. | |
Pompeo, general matters and my group. If they want to do it, I will | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
work toward that end. I will do what you are allowed to do within the | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
bounds of legality. Do I feel it works? Absolutely, I feel it works. | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
I have to bring you this breaking news. The Brexit secretary, David | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
Davis, has told the Commons in reply to a question about Donald Trump's | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
remarks on waterboarding colon the British Government's stance is | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
playing. We don't condone it under any circumstances whatsoever. It | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
will be interesting to see if Theresa May brings it up with Donald | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
Trump when she meets him. Nigel Inkster is a former | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
Director for Operations and Intelligence at MI6, | :23:56. | :23:57. | |
and is now Director of Transnational Threats and Political Risk | :23:58. | :23:59. | |
at the International Institute for Strategic Studies | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
intelligence think-tank. And joining me from Londonderry | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
is Moazzam Begg, a British citizen who was subject to torture and sent | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
to Guantanamo Bay prison. Moazzam Begg, can you tell our | :24:09. | :24:18. | |
audience what waterboarding involves, please? Yes, of course. | :24:19. | :24:25. | |
Waterboarding is a technique first used in a Spanish prison. It means | :24:26. | :24:33. | |
water torture, and it means a person is tied down, their hands, legs, | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
head and arms, and water is poured into their mouths and their noses, | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
and they get the sensation of feeling like they are drowning, even | :24:42. | :24:51. | |
though when you go swimming, you can get water in your nose, imagine that | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
for a sustained time. That is what waterboarding is. Japanese soldiers | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
who did this during World War II to American soldiers were prosecuted | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
for war crimes and were executed. So it is shocking that when the Bush | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
administration came along and called it enhanced interrogation | :25:11. | :25:22. | |
techniques, after his advisers said that if there was no organ failure | :25:23. | :25:32. | |
it is not torture. President Obama said that the result of that torture | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
had unintended consequences, such as invading Iraq. Can I ask, what type | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
of torture have you been subjected to? IMing dairy and I have been | :25:43. | :25:58. | |
talking to men here -- I am in Londonderry. I was put in stress | :25:59. | :26:05. | |
positions, beating and torture, and psychological torture. The result of | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
that was what? Did you then tell your interrogators some information | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
that until then you had kept from them? Did you tell them what they | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
thought they wanted to hear? What was the result of the torture? The | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
result was that I sign a confession. The BBC made a film recently about | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
that confession. It said I was a member of Al-Qaeda. There were | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
threats to my family. The physical torture I enjoyed and underwent, and | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
the threat of being sent to summary trial and being executed. Let me | :26:44. | :26:51. | |
bring in Nigel, a former employee of MI6. The belief torture works? In | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
one sense, you can say that maybe it does. Let's take an example... Is | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
the information you get from torture reliable? That varies. Let's take | :27:03. | :27:09. | |
the case of Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s. How did the | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
Argentine military crack their opposition? They torture them and | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
once they got all the information they could, they threw them at the | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
back of a Hercules over the South Atlantic. They did defeat the | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
opposition, but at an awful cost in terms of the society, which still | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
bears the scars. To say that torture works is a bit like saying that | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
slavery works as a model of economic production. It is not the | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
conversation we ought to be having. What do you think Donald Trump | :27:44. | :27:51. | |
suggesting that waterboarding, the ban on waterboarding, may be | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
reversed? He has cunningly qualified it by saying he would support the | :28:00. | :28:02. | |
Director of the CIA and the Defence Secretary if they asked for it. I | :28:03. | :28:09. | |
know James Matias by reputation. He is a thoughtful, educated man who | :28:10. | :28:16. | |
took 6000 books with him to Iraq to read. I don't know Mike Pompeo but | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
he comes across as intelligent and accomplished. I would be surprised | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
if in the CIA the first thing they say to the incoming directories, we | :28:26. | :28:33. | |
need get back to waterboarding. The way to deal with this problem of | :28:34. | :28:40. | |
Isis and Al-Qaeda is not by using this sort of technique. In the case | :28:41. | :28:48. | |
of Cally Sheikh Mohammed... The mastermind of the 911. This is a man | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
who had information that was not available. What you really need is | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
good, comprehensive intelligence, good forensics, forensics that | :29:02. | :29:09. | |
enable you to identify and prosecute the perpetrators of specific | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
terrorist attacks, and intelligence that is pre-empted. We are not so | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
interested in what people were doing last week. The intelligence services | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
need to know what they will be doing next week, and the best way to do | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
that is to get agents on the inside and get across communication leaks. | :29:25. | :29:32. | |
Moazzam Begg, if the ban is reversed in terms of torture methods in the | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
United States, could that backfire in terms of propaganda material for | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
members of Isis? You like two things quickly. First, yes, because you saw | :29:41. | :29:48. | |
that Isis dresses victims in orange suits, and there were allegations | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
that Isis members had waterboarded some of their captives. Second, | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
let's look at the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was based on the torture | :29:57. | :30:05. | |
of a man who was a CIA DK knee held in Egypt, when he give a false | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
confession that Al-Qaeda was working with Saddam Hussein on weapons of | :30:10. | :30:14. | |
mass destruction. Colin Powell took that information to the UN Security | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
Council to argue for war in Iraq, and the rest is history. As a result | :30:18. | :30:26. | |
of that, we got Isis incrementally. Thank you for your time, Moazzam | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
Begg, and Nigel Inkster. Deaths and incidences | :30:29. | :30:37. | |
of self-harm and assault We'll be talking to a former | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
prisoner who was suicidal when incarcerated, | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
and the ex-offender We hear from the man known | :30:49. | :30:49. | |
as "the Spielberg of video games", and get his vision | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
of the future of gaming. With the news, here's Annita | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
in the BBC Newsroom. New figures show that a record | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
number of inmates killed themselves in prisons in England | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
and Wales last year. The Ministry of Justice says | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
there were 119 suicides - the highest number since records | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
began in 1978. The number of self-harm | :31:14. | :31:16. | |
incidents jumped by 23%, and assaults rose by 31% | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
on the previous year. I'm very clear that the levels of | :31:19. | :31:32. | |
violence in our prisons are too high. The levels of self harm are | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
too high. Since I became Justice Secretary, I focused on dealing with | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
this problem. That's why we're investing in extra ?100 million, | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
2500 extra prison officers across the estate. | :31:47. | :31:48. | |
Raffaele Sollecito, who was acquitted of Meredith Kercher's | :31:49. | :31:50. | |
murder alongside Amanda Knox, has told this programme he still has | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
a debt of more than 400,000 euros following the case. | :31:54. | :31:55. | |
He said the maximum he can claim from the Italian government | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
This is calculated by the number of days you spend in prison. But this | :31:59. | :32:17. | |
ordeal didn't last only for four years, it lasted ten years. I was | :32:18. | :32:19. | |
inside this nightmare the ten years. GDP figures, which measure national | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
output, show the UK economy grew by 0.6% during the fourth quarter | :32:23. | :32:24. | |
of last year. The figure is unchanged | :32:25. | :32:26. | |
from the previous three months. Some economists had forecast | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
a slow-down after the Brexit referendum, but strong consumer | :32:30. | :32:31. | |
spending in the run-up to Christmas and expansion of the hotel | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
and restaurant industries The US President Donald Trump says | :32:34. | :32:35. | |
he believes that torture can work to get information out | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
of suspected terrorists. Speaking to the American ABC | :32:40. | :32:41. | |
network, he said he would seek further advice before deciding | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
whether to bring back techniques But I have spoken as recently as 24 | :32:45. | :33:02. | |
hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence, and I asked | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
them the question, does it work? Does torture work? And the answer | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
was, yes, absolutely. The NSPCC has told this programme it | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
wants it to be made illegal for sports coaches to have sex | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
with 16 and 17-year-olds In an exclusive interview, | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
the charity pointed out it was already illegal for teachers | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
and social workers to have sex with 16 and 17-year-olds | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
in their care. It's also calling for | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
the rules around background checks to be tightened - | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
with the most stringent checks becoming compulsory for all coaches | :33:34. | :33:35. | |
working with children. That's a summary of the latest news, | :33:36. | :33:40. | |
join me for BBC Newsroom live at 11am. Here is he with the latest | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
sport. Good morning. It has been a big day for the Williams family. | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
Venus and Serena both made the final at the Australian open. Venus took | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
three sets to beat the fellow American and rich her first grand | :33:57. | :34:03. | |
slam since 2009, when she beat her younger sister Serena. She reaches | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
her 34th major final inside one hour. Meanwhile, Roger Federer leads | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
by 2-1 against Swiss compatriot Stan Wawrinka. Wawrinka took the third | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
set 6-1, things may be about to turn around. A break each so far in the | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
fourth. Southampton boss has stretched the importance of playing | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
in Europe. And Britain's Millie Knight, who won Bown Hill Gold in | :34:33. | :34:39. | |
the world pal back Alpine ski championships -- the world Para | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
Alpine ski championships will not compete today after injuring her | :34:44. | :34:48. | |
leg. That's all the sport for now, I will be back after 11am. | :34:49. | :34:58. | |
The Brexit Secretary David Davies is publishing a Bill today which will | :34:59. | :35:05. | |
allow the Government to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to | :35:06. | :35:13. | |
begin the formal process of leaving the EU. Norman Smith is at | :35:14. | :35:17. | |
Westminster. We are beginning to get a clearer idea of what Brexit will | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
look like. It will get published shortly. This bill will kick-start | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
the whole process. Later this morning, the Government will tell us | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
how quickly they want it through the Commons. And in the next few days we | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
expect to get this white paper setting out Mrs May's approach to | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
negotiations. A good time to step back and see Mrs May is doing in | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
delivering Brexit. Well, this week she may have been a bit down in the | :35:42. | :35:49. | |
dumps. Because of firstly the judges, the Supreme Court ruling | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
saying that MPs had to have a vote before we can begin the process to | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
leave the EU, not what Mrs May wanted. And then we have the Brexit | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
plan. She was forced to climb down over her opposition to a white | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
paper, the paper setting out the Goverment's formal approach to the | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
negotiations. Lastly, Tory rebels. The signs are there maybe 12, maybe | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
up to 20 Tory MPs who are quite happy to cause her problems over | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
Brexit, when she has only got a majority of around 16. On the other | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
hand, she might be feeling quite glad that things are really going | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
rather well. Why? Well, first off, Labour is split. Labour or at sixes | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
and sevens over Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't managed to forge a | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
united position for his party, and his MPs haven't really been able to | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
say whether they are going to oppose Article 50 or support it, what their | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
stance is on immigration. That is a pretty big plus for Mrs May. Then | :36:51. | :36:52. | |
there are fears about peers. The House of Lords could cause all sort | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
of trouble. But you sense that members of the House of Lords or a | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
bit frightened. They don't want to do that because it would be | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
unelected peers in effect spinning in the face of the referendum, and | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
what people had voted for. Lastly, there's people power. Mrs May can | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
keep coming back and saying, well, this is what the electorate voted | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
for in the referendum. I have a mandate for delivering Brexit. One | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
final thought, Victoria. We focus a lot on what happens in this place, | :37:25. | :37:28. | |
but at the end of the day, whether Brexit is a success or not may | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
depend just as much on what happens on the other side of the channel, | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
what sort of deal the other 27 EU countries are prepared to cut us. | :37:37. | :37:38. | |
Thank you very much, Norman. The Ministry of Justice has | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
released its quarterly figures on prison statistics | :37:46. | :37:47. | |
in England in Wales. They show that 119 prisoners | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
took their own life last There were also record numbers of | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
self harm incidents. What are some of the initiatives that put | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
well-being over punishment? Alongside punishment, anyway. One of | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
the most successful schemes is the Samaritans' listeners service, where | :38:08. | :38:10. | |
prisoners are trained to provide emotional support by becoming | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
listeners. Many prisoners say the power of peer led initiatives is | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
that it gives the mutual respect and a purpose to talk things through | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
with somebody who has been through it themselves. Let's talk to Michael | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
Owen, he is in Belfast. He went to jail in 2007 for a drug trafficking | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
offence. He says he felt like killing himself on a number of | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
occasions until he was able to confidentially talk to a fellow | :38:38. | :38:39. | |
inmate through one of these peer schemes. And we have got that man | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
here, Mick Hall, who Michael says saved his life. Mikel to Michael and | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
many others. For years on, they still write to each other and plan | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
to meet up for a pint. Welcome, both of you. Also with us is Frances | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
Crook, Chief Executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform. That beget | :39:00. | :39:03. | |
your reaction, Francis, to the figures released this morning? It's | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
a national scandal, and we should all be shocked. The suicide rate in | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
prisons is ten times that in the community. Prisoners so why prisons | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
or actually killing people. That shouldn't happen in our prisons. | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
People should at least be safe. Too many men, women and teenagers take | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
their own lives in prisons. That somebody every three days taking | :39:28. | :39:31. | |
their own life, mostly by hanging, not always. So something has to be | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
done to save lives. Of course, the other side to it is that people die | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
from so-called natural causes, where perhaps they might have survived if | :39:40. | :39:43. | |
they had been in the community. That is somebody dying from so-called | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
natural causes every single in prison. Michael, when you went to | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
jail in 2007, it was the first time this has happened to you. Tell us | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
what led to you feeling suicidal? Well, first of all it was the actual | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
thing, you lose hope, you have this feeling of hopelessness comes across | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
you. And then you have so many different factors to deal with in | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
prison, the pressures are really, really, really high. I mean, as | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
Irving James once said, people will never understand the strength and | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
courage it takes to get through imprisonment. It could be anything | :40:24. | :40:27. | |
that triggers this. At that time, whenever I met Nick, I had just been | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
sentenced. My father wasn't very well. And I was in a certain bit of | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
trouble with some of the officers on the wing. And I just had this | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
overwhelming feeling of hopelessness. And there was no way | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
out. And I was standing, leaning on the landing one date with sort of my | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
head in my hands, and mix just came over and said, are you a cake, big | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
lad? And I said, I'm not, actually. We went to had a cup of tea and we | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
took it from that. Mix, from your point of view? Yes, when people | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
first come to prison, it's not how you see on the telly. On the news | :41:07. | :41:16. | |
programmes, and in dramas. And the way of dealing with things in | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
everyday life is totally different. And you're not really taught this. | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
They have, they have induction processes that you go through. But | :41:29. | :41:35. | |
even that isn't real life situations. And, you know, the | :41:36. | :41:38. | |
prison officers haven't got time to cope with what's happening to each | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
individual prisoner outside of life. How did you help Michael? Well, | :41:44. | :41:51. | |
talking, basically. Helping the sort of come EU no, he didn't have any | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
specific problems, I think he had just more or less started to be a | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
friend. I've probably got a weird sense of humour, so I might have | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
cracked a few jokes to break the ice. He is smiling at you saying | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
that! We just went on to become friends. There were things may be | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
that he didn't understand about how to organise things, and papped I was | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
able to help him with that. -- perhaps I was able to help. Michael, | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
he says perhaps he was able to help, how would you describe it was Greg | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
-- how would you describe it? Present-day structures you, and you | :42:34. | :42:38. | |
lose your identity as a person, your identity as a man -- prison the | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
structures you. I didn't know how to deal with myself, and Mikel to me do | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
that. We started doing a writing course and working on the prison | :42:48. | :42:51. | |
radio together. I was lucky enough whenever I ended up back in Northern | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
Ireland I became a listener myself, I was able to pass on the knowledge | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
on the experiences that Mike had taught me. Because I've lived | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
through it and I'd walked the walk of these experiences, I was able to | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
help other people. And it was so rewarding and it gave me a sense of | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
purpose. I'd just like to take this opportunity in public just to say | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
thanks, mate, you know, you turned my life around, you know. Cheers, | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
mate. There's not a lot we can say about that, is the? It's real, and | :43:21. | :43:31. | |
special, you know. This is the first time we've sort of really spoken | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
about it. Our only conversations and our friendship doesn't really come, | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
from my point of view, from saving lives or anything, you know, so, | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
thanks very much for that. It's all right. Of course, there will be some | :43:48. | :43:54. | |
people who say, if you don't want to go through the prison system then | :43:55. | :43:56. | |
don't do that crime in the first play. -- in the first place. Why | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
should people have sympathy for inmates who are having a bad time? | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
We could really get into a whole different field here. The old adage | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
of any person in prison is innocent, there is an awful lot of people in | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
prison that shouldn't be there, which is a different conversation | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
maybe for a different day. What do you say to that, Francis? We don't | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
send people to die, and yet that is exactly what is happening. And there | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
are many, many people, many thousands of people who shouldn't be | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
imprisoned. Many people who are sent there on remand by the courts who | :44:34. | :44:40. | |
are found not guilty war who are not given a prison sentence. We've also | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
had sentence inflation. 20 years ago we'd send somebody to prison for | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
eight years, now we'd send them there for 15 or 20, and there is no | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
evidence that that makes anybody safer. It takes away hope, it means | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
that prisons are in a terrible overcrowded state, the rotten of | :44:58. | :45:01. | |
staff. They are rat infested, people aren't getting enough food -- | :45:02. | :45:08. | |
they're not enough staff. We inspect a miracle to happen, but they fester | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
more crime than they solve. We are creating huge problems for ourselves | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
and people are dying as a result. Mix, tell us about person that you | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
helped to save, effectively, by helping them fill out a form? | :45:24. | :45:30. | |
This was a guy about my age. I was asked to speak to him one night | :45:31. | :45:41. | |
because he wouldn't interact with anybody, not even the staff. He | :45:42. | :45:44. | |
wouldn't come out for meals and things like that. They asked if I | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
would speak to him to see if I could find out what the problem was. At | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
first, he was very aggressive, in that he didn't want to speak to me | :45:56. | :46:03. | |
or to be -- for me to be there. The prison was in lockdown. I said, I | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
won't be able to go anywhere for a couple of hours, so I will just sit. | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
After a while, we started talking. He wasn't getting any visit from his | :46:13. | :46:19. | |
family, because the system says you have to fill in a form and ask | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
permission for a visiting order, basically an application for the | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
family to come and visit, but the family can't say, for instance, | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
wildlife can say to me, I want to come and visit you. I have to send | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
her a request and she filled it in. Because he couldn't read or write, | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
he couldn't do that, so his family couldn't come to see him, he | :46:42. | :46:49. | |
couldn't explain why. You were in a certain amount of money each week, | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
you are given an allowance, and you have to put this on to a canteen | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
list, and you can put so much money on the phone so you use the paper. | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
He didn't know how to fill the forms in, so he couldn't even phone his | :47:03. | :47:08. | |
family and explain his situation. He couldn't bring himself to tell | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
anybody, so... He was embarrassed, as Shane? Yes. And he didn't want | :47:14. | :47:21. | |
people to see this weakness in him. He eventually went on to read and | :47:22. | :47:38. | |
write. What made me feel good was when I stood up a few months later, | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
I was teaching the sky to read and write, and I heard him do a reading | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
in church. Gosh, you will make me cry. Blimey! What is your message to | :47:48. | :48:00. | |
Liz Truss? I had a good meeting with the Justice secretary yesterday, and | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
I think she has plans in place to deal with some of the problems. She | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
is recruiting more staff... It will take time. It will. Prison officers | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
are not paid much and they are giving very little training, and it | :48:13. | :48:18. | |
is a profession. Immediately, we have to get prison numbers down | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
because there are not the staff to deal with them, and you can't ask | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
other prisoners to do this. It is not their job. It is great that | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
there are listeners supported by the Samaritans, but it ought to be | :48:31. | :48:37. | |
staffed. The only solution is to get the numbers down. The Howwood league | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
has suggested simple ways we can get those numbers down and change | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
prisons so that they can serve a real purpose. Then when you have | :48:48. | :48:50. | |
prisoners properly trained to help other prisoners, they will have the | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
time and support to do it. Prisons can work, but they are really not at | :48:56. | :49:04. | |
the moment. I have this breakdown of the numbers and which prisons have | :49:05. | :49:13. | |
the highest number of self-inflicted deaths. Woodhill jail near Milton | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
Keynes, with seven people. And it is 18 in the last four years. And seven | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
in one year. And it is relatively new. The Government is building lots | :49:24. | :49:31. | |
of new prisons, but they don't themselves solve the problem. New | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
buildings aren't the answer. It is not the buildings that are the | :49:36. | :49:39. | |
problem, it's the overcrowding in the system. The system is in crisis | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
because it is crumbling. Thank you very much. Thank you for talking to | :49:44. | :49:53. | |
us, really appreciate it. Mike, it is so good to hear you and make | :49:54. | :50:03. | |
talking to each other. -- you and Mick. | :50:04. | :50:06. | |
Let's remind you of those figures that we broke earlier on Britain's | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
recent economic performance - the economy grew by 0.6% | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
in the final three months of last year and by 2% over 2016, | :50:13. | :50:15. | |
that's according to figures just released by the Office | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
Economists had forecast a slow-down after the Brexit referendum. | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
In the last few minutes, the Chancellor Philip Hammond | :50:23. | :50:24. | |
The figures today, which are very good, show the resilience of the UK | :50:25. | :50:36. | |
economy, and they pointed a bright future we have as we go into this | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
period of negotiation with the European Union based on the very | :50:42. | :50:43. | |
clear agenda that the Prime Minister set out last week. | :50:44. | :50:50. | |
Next we're talking about the man described by some as the Spielberg | :50:51. | :50:53. | |
Hideo Kojima is the brains behind the top-selling Metal Gear series | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
that inspired a style of game that many of today's bestselling | :51:00. | :51:01. | |
Radio 1 Newsbeat reporter Steffan Powell has been given rare | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
behind the scenes access to his new studio in Tokyo, | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
where Mr Kojima is planning on changing the industry once again. | :51:09. | :51:16. | |
Once again. He is not one to rest on his laurels, Hideo Kojima. People | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
may be don't know who he is, but 30 years ago, games were all about | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
fighting people, then he came along and made one about sneaking around | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
instead. Since then, through lots of innovation and lots of ideas since, | :51:34. | :51:36. | |
that basic principle has been replicated time and again ever | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
since. He has won pretty much every major lifetime achievement award in | :51:44. | :51:48. | |
gaming. When he speaks, the industry listens, so we were lucky to have a | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
tour and him talking us through some of the significant places in his | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
recent history. What did he say about his future, the future? Anyone | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
who plays games, their future. If you are sat at home watching Downton | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
Abbey, he wants to have this in place where you can stop watching | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
and start playing it and vice versa, if you could be playing a game... | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
Playing a Downton Abbey game? You like it is more than that, it is an | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
experience merged into one. Instead of me explaining it, here is what | :52:26. | :52:27. | |
the man himself said. TRANSLATION: Things such as games, | :52:28. | :52:29. | |
music, novels and movies, and all these things will kind | :52:30. | :52:31. | |
of mesh together into one As you can see, he is talking about | :52:32. | :52:45. | |
the idea where things are merging together. He is working on a big | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
secret game that we don't know much about. He is suggesting that this | :52:50. | :52:54. | |
sort of thing will already be coming when that one is released in the | :52:55. | :52:56. | |
next couple of years. Healy is explaining that. | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
TRANSLATION: We want this game to be something that people can | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
get into very easily, but after they play it | :53:03. | :53:04. | |
for about an hour or two, they start to notice something | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
It's something that they haven't played before. | :53:08. | :53:13. | |
The idea is that the industry change will happen soon. You could be sat | :53:14. | :53:21. | |
at home playing a move me -- a movie or watching a game. | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
Elle Osili-Wood is in Brisbane and Helen Gould is in London, | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
I'm Ellie Gould. Sorry! Where is Helen? In London! My fault. He is a | :53:28. | :54:02. | |
rock star in the gaming world, this guy, fill us in another five. I | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
interviewed him on stage at a big gaming event at Earls Court a few | :54:09. | :54:11. | |
years ago and it was like Madonna had arrived. He has people there and | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
the gamers get very excited. He really is a rock star of games. | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
Years arguably a genius. He created one of the most popular franchises | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
in gaming history, and one of the most innovative, Metal Gear Solid, | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
with an amazing plot, characters and ideas. He is responsible for | :54:32. | :54:37. | |
landmark innovations in video games. What do you want the future to hold | :54:38. | :54:45. | |
in terms of video gaming? We're looking for games to improve. There | :54:46. | :54:54. | |
are some fast big games at the moment that are really immersive, | :54:55. | :55:03. | |
which focus on storytelling through music and graphics, and I think that | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
is what will really stand out when we think of games as a medium, as an | :55:07. | :55:14. | |
artform. It will have to be a fantastic, immersive experience. | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
Helen, he talked about the limitations of virtual reality, | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
didn't he? Do you agree with what he had to say? At the moment, I would | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
say I have too, because at the minute, it is very difficult for | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
developers to make virtual reality games that have a continuous | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
narrative. A lot of the stuff that is out there is based on getting the | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
player used to this strange new reality they are in and working out, | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
my hand is here, this is what I have to do. I don't know if there has | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
been any long immersive things in the way that L was saying. I think | :55:50. | :56:05. | |
it would be interesting to see virtual reality go that way, but it | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
has a long way to go. Do you agree? Yes, for me, it is a bit like a | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
roller-coaster. It is amazing experience, a real novelty. It is | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
great for about four minutes. After that, at the moment, you want to get | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
off and you probably feel a bit sick. The challenge is to create | :56:25. | :56:30. | |
something that is actually a game and not a novelty, a world you want | :56:31. | :56:39. | |
to be in. You want to follow a story, a narrative arc. It is about | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
the sustainability of the narrative, for sure. He has come under fire for | :56:44. | :56:51. | |
his portrayal of women in games - do you sense he is trying to address | :56:52. | :56:57. | |
that? I hope so. Definitely, it's fair to say that Metal Gear has lots | :56:58. | :57:08. | |
of girls with big boots and so forth. All the big studios thought, | :57:09. | :57:19. | |
what we need for the teenage boys is half naked women. He is a huge | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
industry figure and there is huge excitement about his next project, | :57:25. | :57:29. | |
so I hope he uses his platform to have an in -- a more inclusive and | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
empowered version of women. People ask about gender issues in gaming - | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
is it still an issue? You like it is, like an awful lot of things. It | :57:41. | :57:48. | |
is changing, and changing because more women are making games, and | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
because more men making games are taking the issues more seriously, | :57:53. | :57:55. | |
and their responsibility more seriously, and hopefully we will see | :57:56. | :58:02. | |
a shift. When? Tomorrow at about 4:30pm! Thank you. | :58:03. | :58:07. |