08/02/2017 Victoria Derbyshire

Good morning. It is Wednesday. It is 9am. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. Today

attempts to bring together health and social care seen as crucial to

easing pressure on the NHS in England, are failing to either save

money or free up hospital beds. That's according to the Government's

own spending watchdog. You've got to have a long-term

solution for this. It's not just about this year or next year, we

will have many more older people and many people who will need care in

hospital and who need good care when they get out of hospital. It is not

suitable for them to stay in hospital for a long time. We will

explain why a toy gun like this, led to a headteacher to call the police

to her school. The mum of the boy who owns this toy tells us

anonymously, it only happened because her son isn't white.

Police raid the homes of people who illegally use streaming boxes. We

will bring you the story today. We also want to hear from you this

morning if you receive We'll have the details

on that later. We're also talking about Lady Gaga

who has hit back at the body shamers who criticised how she looked

at the Super Bowl. She has been trolled on social media

by people claiming she looked fat. Now she's posted this in response,

"I'm proud of my body and you should No matter who you

are or what you do. I could give you a million reasons

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at the standard network rate. Plans to treat more patients

in the community have so far failed to save money

or reduce hospital admissions in England, according to

the Government's spending watchdog. The National Audit Office says

ministers were over-optimistic in thinking a scheme called

the Better Care Fund When residents of this care home

in Sutton have to go to hospital, an innovative scheme helps

cut their stay to a minimum. Their medical and personal details

go with them in distinctive red bags so doctors and nurses can make

faster and more effective It's been a great asset for us,

and we are able to pass the information on with a guarantee

that it's going from ambulance to A to the ward,

and following them through. We've been able to reduce length

of stay for those care home residents who go into hospital

by four days, which is massive when you think how the system

is so stretched at the moment. But joined up care isn't

working everywhere. The National Audit Office says

the spending of more than ?5 billion of NHS and council money

on integrating health and social Starting in 2014-15,

the scheme aimed to reduce emergency admissions to hospital by more

than 100,000, but in 2015-16, admissions actually

went up by 87,000. Over the same period,

the project was supposed to reduce the number of days lost

because people were stuck in hospital by almost 300,000,

but one year later, it had The Public Accounts Committee

is calling for long-term solutions They need to look at why

this isn't working. What is it that's stopping the beds

being available, even when there is, at least in the short term,

some money being The Government says it's too

soon to judge the impact Our correspondent Fiona

Lamden can tell us more. Fiona, what was the better

care fund set up for? We have being told the main problem

with our Health Service is the lack of joined up thinking between health

and social care and that's why historically you have seen elderly

people stuck in hospital, blocking the beds with nowhere to go. Social

care is looking after people in the community? That's why when patients

come in they are on trolleys because the elderly people have been

blocking the beds. They came up with the Better Care Fund at a cost of

over ?5 billion, but the National Audit Office has looked into it and

have come up with three main criticisms. The first is emergency

admissions have gone up, not down. The second thing is that the number

of people stuck in hospital without a suitable care package, well that's

dropped and that's meant to go up. It hasn't saved very much in the

last year, only ?0.5 billion. Thank you very much Fiona. Thank you.

MPs are to vote on the Brexit bill today, deciding whether to give

Theresa May the power to leave the EU.

Last night the government saw off a possible rebellion after promising

that any final deal will be put to the Commons.

A battle for control over the process of Brexit.

Last night, MPs ended more than seven

hours of debate which contained what some saw

I can confirm that the Government will bring forward a

motion on the final agreement, to be approved by both Houses of

In other words, MPs will get to vote on any future Brexit deal before it

is signed off by the Government and the EU.

But Theresa May's negotiations with other EU leaders

are likely to be complex, and some MPs are worried about her threat to

walk away from the talks rather than take a bad deal.

What the House wants is the opportunity to send the

Government back to our EU partners to negotiate a deal F1 hasn't been

Last night, the Government saw off a number of attempts to add

conditions to the Bill which gives it the power to start Brexit, but

some backbenchers remain unhappy at what ministers offered, and the

divisions between those who argued for Brexit and those who campaigned

The bill reaches its final stages in the

Commons today, threatening to expose further rifts within Labour, and

more tough questions from Tory backbenchers.

Despite the arguments, the Government seems confident it

can trigger the exit process next month.

Lawyers for President Trump have been trying to convince an appeals

court to bring back his travel ban on people from some

The court heard that Donald Trump's ban on arrivals from Somalia

could help stop members of the terror group al-Shabab

But lawyers for two US states said it discriminated against Muslims.

Judges will make their decision later this week.

The Government's plan to double free childcare for pre-schoolers has

been thrown into doubt, with most councils saying

they are unsure if they can manage the scheme.

From September, three and and four-year-olds in England

will be entitled to 30 free hours of care a week.

But a poll of local authorities has found that more than half say

they don't know if they have enough places to offer.

Victim support groups are calling for more protection for rape

Some rape victims say they were interrogated

about their own sexual history while giving evidence

Today MPs will debate a Bill that would stop

Today MPs will debate a Bill that would stop defence lawyers from this

Tens of thousands of starlings are performing a nightly ritual

Their synchronised flying creates an amazing aerial ballet.

The Friends of the Lake District group has organised a number

of viewing events before the season ends later this month,

It's an aerial ballet with a cast of thousands.

A mass of starlings flying in mesmerising harmony.

The dictionary tells us this is called a murmuration.

It also tells us the word has been in use for hundreds of years,

Nobody really knows why it is called this.

It's an interesting word because they do not really murmur.

But why do they form these patterns and move together in harmony?

There is some suggestion that they come together at dusk

in a big group because it protects them from predators.

Why they do this amazing aerial ballet before they settle down

Why wouldn't anyone want to spend a night here?

And so an audience gathered in Cumbria for one of the greatest

This is one of several murmuration viewings posted by Friends

And so as dusk gathers, so too do the stars of the show

Someone estimated there were 60,000 or so starlings out there.

I'm not sure how you would count them.

Then, as darkness falls, so too do the starlings.

It is curtain down on another perfect performance.

Hundreds of students have taken part in a massive

Dubbed "a battle for snow-man's land" the event was organised

on the campus at the University of British Columbia after heavy snow

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30am.

Zoe says, "Lady Gaga is an amazing woman. Anyone spouting such nonsense

should be ashamed of themselves. Body shaming is disgusting."

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning,

use the hashtag Victoria live and If you text, you will be charged

Is Will is here. , r Whenever we see a vote of confidence, it is not long

until the manager. How have Leicester gone from being Premier

League champions winning game after game with this style which everyone

knew they would throw the ball forward to Jamie Vardy, they still

went on to win the Premier League title. They have changed their style

and they are struggling in the Premier League. They are just one

point above the relegation zone and they haven't won a game in 2017 and

haven't scored a goal this year either, but again, the contrast that

they've cruised through their Champions League group, no one

expected them to do that. Really struggling in the Premier League.

Can the champions be in a position where they're going to go down to

the championship. Ranieri doing his best to insist that there is nothing

majorly wrong at the club. There is no crisis. Of course, when you don't

win you lack a little confidence, it's normal. It's normal. But

fortunately, these players are warriors because they are used to

fight because they already had this situation.

Leicester are in this extraordinary situation where they are trying to

avoid relegation. They had the Premier League title in their own

hands as Ranieri kept saying last season, but the good thing for them

is they have the relegation situation in their own hands. They

play all of the bottom four, but they have this situation where

Ranieri is he unsackable? He won the Premier League title? Could

Leicester sack him? Probably not We will see. Alastair Cook has been

talking about his decision to step down as cricket captain? We have

heard from Alastair Cook in a couple of interviews yesterday. A couple

with the BBC and he's saying how sad he is to walk away after the record

59 matches in charge. One thing he said he's keen to play on which is

important because he is so important for scoring runs for England and we

have seen it over the past, haven't we, when an England captain has

continued to play on and it doesn't last much longer. Kevin Pietersen,

Michael Atherton and Michael Vaughan, Alastair Cook at the age of

32 is still to carry on. He said he's keen to for the new captain to

really listen to advice. He said it is something he didn't really do in

his early days just because there is so much to take on board. Joe Root

is the outstanding favourite. All the oldies are talking about him

being a great captain for England going forward. He is at a good age,

26. Michael Vaughan was on 5 Live last night with a couple of others,

Paul Collingwood and Jimmy Anderson saying he's the man to go. But Cook

said he would do a good job, but there are other candidates as well.

I think he'd do a very good job. He has got something about him to bat

the way he does. He has got a huge amount of respect in the dressing

room. But there is other people as well, Ben Stokes has got a

leadership role at some stage. The way he has improved and matured as a

cricketer and he is one of those people that people gravitate to and

Jonny Bairstow and Jos Butler, we're lucky there is a good group of

people pushing forward. Whoever gets it, it is one of the greatest jobs

you'll ever do. We haven't heard anything official as to when we

might hear an appointment about Joe Root, but England have a one day

series against the West Indies, you would imagine they'd like to get it

sorted before that. We expect an announcement next week with Joe Root

expected to get the job. Wales have an important game, in the six

nations, but the captain has been focussing on something else? Have a

look at this. Will he be drowning his sorrows in a bit of this stuff?

Ale win, 5% and he has been pouring pints in Wales ahead of the huge

match against England in the the six nations. So Wales and England are

looking to make it two out of two and be in a strong position to go on

and win the Six Nations, the Welsh captain casually pouring a few pints

before the big game! A mother says compensation awarded

to her two young sons after they were racially

discriminated against will never make up for the distress

they were put through when police were called to the school over toy

guns they were given as presents. They didn't have the gun in the

school. The boys, who were five and seven

at the time, were segregated from classmates and spoken

to by police after concerns were raised by teachers

that they could in fact Although both the Home Office

and police strongly stress officers were not called to the school

in a "prevent capacity", Kay, not her real name,

believes it would not have happened Prevent is the government's

anti-extremism programme and under the scheme schools are required

to "have due regard to the need to prevent people from being

drawn into terrorism". We're going to talk to the mum

anonymously in order to protect the identity of her children,

as well as Debaleena Dasgupta, who is a legal officer

for Liberty and solicitor for "Kay" and her family,

and Alex Kenny, from You bought your children are

present, the eldest, seventh at the time, was telling his teacher about

the gift, what happened after that? I came in to collect them from

school the day after he told the teacher about the gifts. He made it

clear it was a toy. There was not any suggestion and they did not

telephone me to confirm or say otherwise. Had he told them about

the noise they made? I presume they would have asked him. If they had

asked him, he would have said that the toy gun was green and orange and

it did not have any bullets and it made the noise and it was pretty and

the boys liked them. You went to pick them up 24 hours later, said

the next day what happened? I came to pick them up and I went into the

reception area and the headteacher took me into the office and said

there had been an incident and the police had been called. I was

terrified, I thought something had happened to the boys. But the

headteacher assure me they were fine and all sorts of things were going

through my mind as to what had happened. Like what? I thought they

had hurt someone else, or they had said something which meant the

school had concerned about their welfare. Whenever I asked the

teacher questions she was clear she could not tell me anything and I

could not see the boys, who were being, I want to say held, but they

were with their teachers in the library away from their classes. By

then it was after-school time, so they would have been hungry and

tired, as children are after-school, and I was terrified for them because

I knew they would be scared themselves. You had some fruit in

the car you wanted to give them, but you were not allowed to give it to

them. No, I was not. Somebody else could will stop that is right. The

headteacher told me I could get them from the car, and I had it anyway,

you have to feed children after-school because they are like

feral animals. But she said she would give it to them and I was made

to wait in her office waiting for the police to arrive. Officers did

arrive, how many? Two uniformed officers. They came into the school

and were taken through the main hall where there was an after-school

performance going on with about 20-30 parents present and they went

to the library where my children were being held and without me they

questioned the boys for a short period of time. As I understand it

they were sensitive and careful and they came straight through to me

after a very short period of time and the first thing they said as

they walked in wars, there is nothing to be concerned about. There

has been a mistake. There was all a bit of confusion about the toy guns,

but it is clear they were toys and the boys were lovely and

cooperative. In fact, they asked if I could have my permission to show

the boys the police car because they promised the boys a treat. They were

trying to be as sensitive as they possibly could which I really

appreciate it. What was your response? I was flabbergasted. Of

all the things it could have been, a gift of a toy gun would never

justify holding children for an hour and a half, two hours, and having

them scared by uniformed officers, having our reputation as a family

trashed by all of the parents knowing at the school that the

police had come in to see my parents and me. Do you think your family

reputation has been trashed? Absolutely. I had long-standing

reputation with the school and had known the teacher for many years, I

was a volunteer reader, I had a DVS check, I volunteered and had helped

out with a baking sale a few weeks before, I helped out with their

secret Santa workshop, I knew all the parents, it really did devastate

me. There was a lot of gossip going around. I have good friends who told

me the things that were said. What did they say? That the police had

come in to talk to me and there were Chinese whispers and there was talk

about me throwing myself on the ground and people thought something

had happened to my children and me. I told very close friends what had

happened and they were devastated for me. It has affected my ability

to be the kind of parent that I was before. I no longer feel like I fit

into the community because of what has happened. What about the impact

on your boys? We are trying to help them move on. It does not assist

them right now for them to know about the case and the publicity. We

are trying as a family to move them on from this. But there are ill

effects. From a day-to-day basis the boys have nightmares. The youngest,

who is only five, gets scared that he will be taken away from his

siblings. He wakes up in the night, he never did before, this incident

has traumatised him. My eldest boy, he was extremely traumatised and

when we got home he had what I can only describe as an emotional

meltdown. After half an hour of crying and being upset he threw

himself at me and said he thought the police were going to take him

away. That was upsetting for him and us. He has serious issues with

trusting his new school and his new teachers, which is not fair on them

or us. You have put them somewhere new? Yes, I moved them straightaway.

Why did you believe the headteacher, who was the school bus Matley, when

it comes to safeguarding, why did they call the police? It is fear.

The day the disclosure was made to the teacher was on the day of the

Belgian bombings and people are scared, terrified. Teachers have, as

you say, this duty to look out at children and look for signs of

radicalisation and extremism. I know the teachers involved all have some

very paltry prevent training and but for that training they would not

have been looking for these sorts of aspects. One of the things the

teacher said was she had noticed a change in behaviour in my eldest son

and he had been speaking Arabic in class and talking about going to

Friday prayers with his dad. Now, we are not Muslim and my child has

never set foot in a mosque and he does not speak Arabic. From that

point of view the school was ignorant. But even if they were,

there should not have been this sort of suspicion raised at small

children. It does not help them or assist them, it is not about their

welfare. They are looking at small children as if they were grown-ups

and criminalising them. Would this have happened if your boys had been

white? No, absolutely not. The reason I can be so sure is because

toy guns are prolific in our society, whether you believe in them

or not. Children will fashion toy guns out of pieces of toast, my boys

did. These were the first toy guns I had ever bought them because they

take up sticks in the garden, all boys do it. I know that children in

his class who were white had huge amounts of toy guns. I also know

there are parties which involve what they call nerve gun battles. The

teacher must have had to hand out invites to parties. Those children

have never been referred under Prevent. This is what I do not

understand. A child talks about a gift, talks about a gun as a gift

and the teacher absorbs that information and they cannot be

concerned because they do not mention anything until 24 hours

later, at which point the headteacher called the police. Not

you. Yes. Does not chat to the child, calls the police. So it is

racism? I think it was racial discrimination. Racism is a

difficult time because people will shy away from saying something is

racist. Everybody has a certain degree of racism, teachers,

policemen, everybody in the front line, but it is knowing how to

acknowledge it and deal with it. Instead of acknowledging that they

perhaps have these thoughts because my children are not white, the

teachers put two and two together and made six. The local council have

apologised to you and the boys and have given new compensation. This

was due to the school not following procedures around safeguarding

concerns. Schools are encouraged to deal with incidents at a local

level, meaning only the most serious are escalated. I have read the local

authority guidance and one of the things it says, and I am sure others

say, is if the school is not sure, they should ring 101, which is what

they did. It is not fair to put the blame squarely on the school. The

duty encourages them to look out for signs of radicalisation which are

not specific and they are noncriminal, so you are essentially

making small children... The fact the teachers thought speaking Arabic

and attending a mosque was a reason to be concerned about radicalisation

says to me that the Prevent duty is somehow skewed against those of

colour. Let me bring in Alex Kenney from the National Union of Teachers

who is a teacher at a secondary school and a legal officer for

Liberty. I can hear you sighing as Kate tells us the story. Really it

is so absurd it is ridiculous, the decision the headteacher made. It is

astonishing. I think the school made a bad call when you listen to the

story. There was no common sense. It is a story that should make everyone

pause and stop and think about how we are dealing with very difficult

issues in schools. What we are seeing is the government policy and

strategy in this area, the Prevent strategy, and that government policy

in this area... It was nothing to do with the Prevent strategy, it was

racial discrimination. It may have not been a referral, but it is

within the government strategy. It was a toy gun. How was it to do with

Prevent? The Prevent strategy places that duty on schools and it has

created a fog of confusion and fear in schools. I am sorry, if you were

on duty that day, there is no way you would have called the police.

No, but what happened is schools are scared, there is a fear about

getting things wrong. There is an expectation that schools should pick

up on the smallest things and discuss them and referred them.

Schools are more scared of not reporting something than reporting

something and getting it wrong. That has got to be entirely wrong. The

Home Office tell us, as do the police, it is not a Prevent case,

under its schools are required to have due regard to prevent children

from being drawn into extremism. What do you think? It is

disingenuous. It only happened because of the Prevent duty. The

teachers have done some training and they believe they might have two

report this because of Prevent. It is the fact they did not do it

properly, but that does not mean that they did not do it under

Prevent. The teacher did not say anything to the headteacher until 24

hours later. She thought about it and she got maybe she had to put it

under Prevent, she was not sure, the guidance was not clear. It was a toy

gun, she was a teacher. Of course it is ridiculous, it is discrimination,

but it is disingenuous to suggest Prevent did not cause this. It is

fundamentally the reason it happened. If the strategy did not

exist, I do not think the school would have made that referral. You

could say if racial discrimination did not exist, the school would not

have called the police. I think it is the former. What this strategy

does is it shines a light on Muslim children or children who are

non-white. One of the problems with the Prevent strategy is there is no

accreditation or regulation on who does the training. There is a whole

industry who do training in schools and we have heard of cases where

people have been told by trainers that learning Arabic or deciding to

wear a hijab might consider cause for concern. So you are creating

this suspicion. You are creating a confusion in schools about when to

use their judgment. You are creating tension between teachers and young

people about what are legitimate subjects for discussion and how to

have those discussions. It is alienating. It will alienate young

people. T-marks these children out as other.

It marks them out not to their teachers, but their classmates and

that's problematic. It legitimises discrimination in schools and that's

why so many people have been calling for a review of the Prevent. The

National Union of Teachers is saying this is not something we should be

forced to have due regard to in the same way as is currently legislated

for. The legislation is so unclear. Definitions are unclear. It doesn't

even properly define extremism. Some people are sympathetic, others

aren't. NTL says this is a heartbreaking story. Sarah and

David, sorry Peter say this is making a mountain out of a molehill.

It was a silly mistake, but dealt with impeccably. These things

happen. I would take issue with that and I would say to people to

misquote a film badly I'm just a parent standing in front of other

parents asking them what if you turned up at your school to collect

your children and they were being held in a library away from their

friends, scared, what if uniformed officers came into where their

children were being held and questioned them? How would they

feel? Would it be a mown tonne out of a molehill then? I think not. It

is easy to try to dismiss this. I don't have an agenda. I'm not an

activist, I'm just a mum. It is not a molehill. One of the

things we're looking at is the number of referrals every year and

the doubling of the number of referrals through Prevent. Most are

coming from schools and the majority are of Muslim people. That's not a

sign that we're doubling the number of radicals or extremists every

year. It is a sign that the strategy is out of control. And needs a

re-think. The police and Home Office say it is nothing do to with

Prevent. David says, "I found it astoweding that a teacher wasn't

intelligent enough to ask a question to ascertain whether it was a toy or

not. Would would move my kids to another school." The school say at

no stage did they doubt it was a toy gun that was given to the children.

What? Absolutely of the that's what's been through all the papers

we have dealt with. They said at no stage did they doubt it was a toy

gun. So what was the headteacher playing at? That's a question you'd

have to ask her. We're not identifying the teacher or the

school because we want to protect the identity of your children. Thank

you for your time. Thanks very much to all

of you and to Three Counties Radio I want to report my daughter who is

missing. The nation were shocked by the fake kidnapping of shaon

Matthews. The BBC have dramatised the story around her disappearance

and we will be talking to two people who were at the centre of the story

at the time. We'll be crossing the Atlantic

to speak to a Republican and Democrat supporter as American

government lawyers attempt to convince an appeals court

to reinstate President Trump's Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. Plans to treat more patients

in the community have so far failed to save money or reduce hospital

admissions in England, according to the Government's

spending watchdog. The National Audit Office says

ministers were over-optimistic in thinking a scheme called

the Better Care Fund MPs are to vote on the Brexit Bill

today, deciding whether to give Theresa May the power

to leave the EU. Last night the government saw off

a possible rebellion after promising that any final deal will be put

to the Commons. The Prime Minister says she's

committed to triggering Article 50 to begin formal talks by the end

of next month. Lawyers for President Trump have

been trying to convince an appeals court to bring back his travel ban

on people from some The court heard that Donald Trump's

ban on arrivals from Somalia could help stop members

of the terror group al-Shabab But lawyers for two US states said

it discriminated against Muslims. Judges will make their

decision later this week. The Government's plan to double free

childcare for pre-schoolers has been thrown into doubt,

with most councils saying they are unsure if they can

manage the scheme. The Government's plan to double free

childcare for pre-schoolers has From September, three

and four-year-olds in England will be entitled to 30 free hours

of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has

found that more than half say they don't know if they have enough

places to offer. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Here is Will with the sport. The

Italian has been given a vote of confidence by the board ahead of

tonight's fourth round replay with Derby with Leicester's owner flying

over from Thailand for the game. The Football Association chair. A motion

in the FA will be debated in the House of Commons tomorrow after five

former FA executives said the governing body failed to self

reform. Germany's World Cup winning captain

has announced he will retire at the end of the season. He will leave

Bayern Munich a year before his contract expires. Alastair Cook says

Joe Root would did a good job if he is appointed as captain. Cook

stepped down on Monday saying it's sad to walk away. I will have more

for you at 10am. In 2008, the disappearance of this

girl 9-year old Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire,

sparked a massive search involving After 24 days Shannon was found

hidden under a bed in the home of Michael Donovan,

who was found to have faked the kidnapping

with Shannon's mother Karen, Last night, the first

part of The Moorside, a dramatisation of the case

on BBC One. Police emergency, I want to report

my daughter as missing, please. The response of this community has

been absolutely amazing. Whoever has got Shannon,

please let her go. This has been our biggest

inquiry since the Ripper, we've spent millions

and we still haven't You both know she has

been lying to us. We're joined from our Leeds studio

by two people who saw the real search unfold,

Susan Howgate, who is a cousin of Shannon's mother Karen Matthews

and the Reverend Kathy Robertson responsible for St John

the Evangelist in Dewsbury Moor, Thank you very much for talking to

us. Susan, what do you recall about that search? Well, the first night

when she went missing my husband went up to her house and he came

back and he said, "Shannon, one of the children is missing." I said no.

So I went up and the police and everything were like there. I put me

arms around her and sat down and that and then like I said, she was

crying. This is Karen, this is Shannon's mum, you mean? Yeah. I

just put me hands around her and said if you need me, just give me a

phone call, you know where I am. I says I will be there. I said the day

after we went up, me and me husband and that and we were like there

nearly every day going out searching parks, wherever we could. And you

believed her? Pardon? You believed her? Karen Matthews initially? Well,

at first, yeah, I thought, well, like I said I had stuff in my mind

thinking why has she disappeared? I trusted her, you know what I mean

and when I found out that she had done it, you know what I mean, it

just made me sick. Reverend tell us how the community

came together at this time? Well, the community just really pulled

together, there was some strong leadership within the community.

Everybody sort of mucked in. They searched. They gave up their time to

look for Shannon and to support one another. There was a real sense of

that community, a real sense of belonging to the community and a

real sense that Shannon belonging to that community as well and obviously

they wanted her to return to the place where she belonged. Yes. And

so when the community found out that some of their own had been, you

know, conning them, effectively, how did that affect people? Well, it

affected people in a very different way. There was a lot of perhaps

disappointment surrounding it, some people felt they had been betrayed

in some way. But obviously the mood definitely changed on the Moor. Yes.

Did you watch the programme last night, Susan? What did you think of

it? Well, the programme I agreed that the community and everything

come together, but some of the stuff on that drama is just false. What

did you think wasn't representative of what actually happened? It is a

drama in the end, isn't it? Well, yeah, it is a drama, but there is

some parts of the drama where I didn't agree, you know, what I mean?

Like I said, this is going to come out and then it's going to affect

all the family again and other people. I just didn't agree with it

coming out. What affect has this whole case had

on your wider family, Susan? Well, I have had a lot of bother. I have had

my windows put through. My auntie has been getting grief. Stuff like

that. It's just, but like I say with this drama coming out now, it's

probably going to, well not me especially, but my auntie, it could

affect, you know, affect her again. Why have you had your windows put

through in the past? Because they found out that I was related to her

and you know, like I am a cousin. They found out. They had seen me on

TV and everything, but I had all me windows put through and I had to get

out of the house and I had to leave half of my furniture and some

personal belongings. So simply being a member of the wider family, having

the Matthews surname was enough for you to be targeted? I don't have the

Matthews surname, but my maiden name was Wadden, I've never been a

Matthews. What do you think about that, the way the family has been

targeted in the way Susan described? It is distressing. It is not fair

and it is not right that other people should be targeted in any way

shape, sherbly or physically. Thank you both very much for coming on the

programme. I really appreciate your time. Thanks Susan. A cousin of

Karen Matthews. Coming up: The streaming device

subject of a series of police American government lawyers have

been trying to convince an appeals court to reinstate President Trump's

ban on people from seven mainly Muslim countries

entering the United States. They said Mr Trump has acted

within his powers and that the court which suspended the ban last week

made an error. The BBC's Rajini Vaidyanathan has

the background an explains why the US Supreme Court is likely

to have the final verdict. Almost as soon as the ink had dried

on President Trump's executive A number of different cases have

come before the courts. The first prevented US

immigration officials from deporting anyone who had come

to the US from those seven countries, or as a refugee,

since the ban took effect. But it didn't take long

for lawyers to challenge Cases have been filed

from coast-to-coast. A court in Massachusetts

temporarily halted President Trump's executive order,

allowing those affected to fly to But then, a week later,

in a victory for President Trump, the same court ruled that

that travel ban was back on. But it only took a day

for the executive order to be blocked again,

this time by a court in Seattle. Lawyers there argued that

President Trump's travel restrictions would hurt their

economy because they rely so heavily It has the ability to hold everybody

accountable to it, and that includes the President

of the United States. President Trump has been

tweeting his support for his law, and his administration say

they'll fight all these legal It is just frustrating to see

a federal judge in Washington state conducting American foreign

policy, or making decisions about So, we can expect these

court rulings to go Whoever is on the losing

side is likely to It could take months

for this case to eventually reach the US Supreme Court,

the highest law of the land. The current confusion around

President Trump's travel restrictions leaves those affected

in a bit of a limbo. Donald Trump says his

executive order is designed to keep Americans safe,

but ultimately, it will be down to America's judges to

have the final say. Let's go live to Washington and to a

Republican who was a speech writer for George W Bush and Democrat who

is a pollster and strategist. Argue for talking to our audience. What

sort of pressure is President Trump under over all of this? He is under

a lot of pressure, especially after the women's March showed there were

a lot of people willing to travel to the capital to oppose his policies.

The executive order prompted protests at airports, including

Dallas, Washington, and people were protesting very joyfully and happily

and the spirit was good, but it has prompted a lot of resistance and

opposition from just your average person. Does it matter about that

pressure? In the end it will be down to the cause and it may go to the

highest court in the land eventually. It does matter for the

executive order to come about in the way this one did to stop the Justice

Department was not consulted. The Homeland Security agency was not

given a chance to weigh in on the implications of this and for it to

come out it has been disorganised and it was stopped. It says

something about the early days of the presidency, amid reports they

are not ready to go and a lot of the posts they want to fill have not

been filled and this does not make it look like they are ready and

ready to consult the experts who would see what type of problems

abound like this would cause. When you see how unpopular this is and

how much attention it has got and it continues to feed itself. That is

why we have proceedings on something pretty technical broadcast live on

cable news and covered in real time in its entirety and that is very

unusual and that shows the amount of attention over what is just another

flash point and another pain point in this very fractious, damaged

transition time. Surely a president is the best place to make decisions

about national security? The court serves as a check and it was one of

the issues that came up in the proceedings yesterday. The argument

said it did not seem like they were getting a very receptive, open

audience for the judges, but we will see over the next few days. Can the

court review this? Can the court throw out something that the trial

administration wants, but there is also the issue of intent and that is

where the politics come in. Let's look at the four corners of the

document, let's look at the words in the executive order, but the other

argument is we should be looking at the intent and when you have the

president very consistently saying how he wants a Muslim ban. Rudy

Giuliani was an adviser of the president and afterwards he said on

the TV two weeks ago the president wanted the Muslim ban and he asked

me how to do it legally. The majority of Americans think the

intent was to have a Muslim ban and it plays a role in the legality of

this. President Trump himself said it is definitely not a Muslim ban.

It is popular with plenty of people. Had it been carried out with a bit

more thought and consultation and less swiftly, he might not have

found his executive order in the course anyway. It probably would

have still been challenged, but it would not have had the same

attention. The law does give the president the authority to suspend

immigration of aliens and that law was passed long before Donald Trump

was president. The tram administration themselves argue they

did not pick the seven nations identified in the executive order.

They were identified in 2015 by the Barack Obama administration as

citizens who hold dual citizenship and they will not be allowed freely

to come in and out of the United States and those were the nations

affected by the executive order. Thank you very much for talking to

our British audience, Anneka Green, a speech writer for the Democrats

and Marjorie Armero, a pollster. Coming up: This is Sian and she lost

her husband to leukaemia. The law is about to change from April. She was

not married to her husband. We will explain how.

These little boxes are the subject of a series of police raids around

They in themselves are not illegal but if they're used

alongside certain software they are because they allow

households to stream TV shows, football matches and films

Let's talk to the Director General of the Federation Against Copyright

His is the organisation which has been carrying out

And the BBC's technology reporter Chris Foxx.

I will just bring this equipment with me if I may. Chris, for those

who do not know, IP TV box, what are they? Kodi is software, so it pulls

in video that you have downloaded, your music collection and things you

have streamed on the Internet. It is perfectly legal. The box is legal?

You can install Kodi yourself if you want different software to manage

your media collection. But also people sell them preloaded and it is

already on the box and you buy it as a complete package and some people

sell it with add-ons on top of that, third-party add-ons and they

sometimes give you access to things like sport, movies, that you have

not paid for, and that is what is in question. Hence the popularity?

Exactly, everyone likes a free lunch. It is not surprising people

look online for a way to stream football that is free. Why are you

targeting the people who sell the boxes? What they are selling is

preloaded boxes with the availability of this material for a

small fee. Clearly we need to go after those who are making that are

available, the ones who are distributing and selling those

boxes. That is what we did this morning. There were six raids across

the north-west of England against very substantial sellers of these

boxes. Is that going to be enough to deter consumers, households? Certain

things will come out of this. There will be criminal prosecutions and

there will be a deterrent effect from that. Within those

investigations of these businesses there will be all the records of

people who have bought them and we will have to follow up with the

police on those enquiries. We do not want to prosecute people who use

them, we want to get behind those who make them available, but they

will get swept up in the criminal investigation. If you are swept up

in this issue, as you put it, what might happen to you? The likely

result is you would be asked to make a statement about the purchase of

the box to assist the prosecution. But if you were resistant to that or

perhaps for some other reason you may get prosecuted for it, you are

committing a criminal offence if you use these boxes to download

something into your living room that you have not paid for. It is theft.

Yes. If it was me I would say I had no idea, I was buying this box with

all these add-ons legally, I thought it was legal. I do not think it is a

problem, people know you have to pay for it. If you are not getting these

preloaded boxes in big supermarkets or the high street, but from

independent retailers who advertise you can get all of this for free, if

you install it on an Amazon box, it is a bit of a factor do and you have

to have some know how to get the Kodi software and then the add-ons.

That is probably not a very good defence in this case. How much does

this cost the film industry and the football right industry each year?

The overall picture is unknown because it is so large scale.

Really? Forecourt purposes we looked at each individual case and see how

much the potential cost has been to the industry and then we can

extrapolate that to make a bigger picture. As a consumer, what would

you say to a household who think this is a good advice? The history

of pirating TV is nothing new. People used to get viewing cards to

watch the sport for free. If you have got a Kodi box at home there is

nothing to be alarmed about. If somebody has installed it, it is

fine, but if you are unknowingly using it to watch things you have

not paid for, that is an issue. I do not suspect the police will come out

to everybody's has otherwise they will never be finished. Thank you

for your comment about the teacher, the headteacher, who called the

police after a little boy said he had a toy gun. The mother was on the

programme saying this would never have happened if the child had been

white. Kennedy says, I do not think the teacher was being racist, just

foolish. Mike says, this is just racism. Ellie says, did this really

happen? The teachers need referral. Sarah says, I am not sure whether

this is about Prevent or not, but it is a shocking lack of common sense.

I feel for the parents. Keep those coming in. Let's get the latest

weather. This morning we have had a real host

of different weather. It is a cold start to the day across the

Highlands, but a bright one. As we come further south into Yorkshire we

can see the beautiful rainbow. We have got this ridge of high pressure

in the West keeping things fairly settled but cold. Then we have got

this weather front in the East. That will drift further west today

allowing the cold, Continental air to come in behind it across many

parts of the UK. Through the course of the morning we hang onto the cold

conditions in the West, but patchy fog now starting to live. In Central

and eastern areas with cloud we are looking at showers and a keen

easterly wind coming off the North Sea. Bright skies in western

Scotland, snow over the Grampians and as we come across northern

England and much of England actually, there is a lot of cloud

around. You might see the odd sunny break, but that will be the

exception rather than the rule. The odd wintry showers on the east

coast. For South West England it is a beautiful day with sunshine and

not as cold. Similar in West Wales. In Aberystwyth we are looking at

about eight Celsius. Move away from the sunshine and we are back into

the cloud. Northern Ireland has quite a bit of sunshine around after

a cold start. In the evening and overnight we hang onto this keen

easterly wind along the east Coast. There will be snow on the Grampians

and at lower levels and down the East Coast and some of the showers

will be sleet and snow. There will be a widespread frost and the risk

of ice on untreated surfaces. In the West tomorrow we will see some

sunshine and in central and eastern areas they are not immune to the

wintry showers. Inland we are looking at sleet and snow. By

tomorrow the cold air will be right across the land.

Good morning. Today the warning from a Government spending watchdog that

one way to ease pressure on the NHS is to bring together health and

social care and not saving money or freeing up beds in England. Also

today, a mother whose sons were interviewed by police after one of

them told their teacher about their new toy, a gun, has told us the

family's reputation is in ruins. A toy gun would never justify

holding children for an hour-and-a-half, two hours, and

having them scared by uniformed officers, having our reputation as a

family thrashed. You can see the full interview on

our programme page. Jill says, "My son Chris was pulled

aside by the authorities when he took his green plastic water pistol

in his backpack on holiday. They shocked us. We are white. We made

light of the whole thing as parents should." Youngied owers tell us why

an allowance they receive because their partner has died is an

essential part of their income and should not be cut.

Madonna is back in Malawi to adopt four-year-old twin girls. If you

have adopted a child from abroad, let me know your experience.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

Plans to treat more patients in the community have so far

failed to save money, or reduce hospital admissions

in England, according to the government's spending watchdog.

The National Audit Office says ministers were over-optimistic

in thinking a scheme called the Better Care Fund

MPs are to vote on the Brexit Bill today, deciding whether to give

Theresa May the power to leave the EU.

Last night the Government saw off a possible rebellion after promising

that any final deal will be put to the Commons.

The Prime Minister says she's committed to triggering Article 50

to begin formal talks by the end of next month.

A mum says compensation paid to her two young sons

after they were racially discriminated against,

will never make up for the distress they were put through when police

were called to the school over toy guns they were given as presents.

Central Bedfordshire Council have apologised for how the two boys

were treated and said it was due to the school not following

council procedures around safeguarding concerns.

The boys, who were five and seven at the time,

were segregated from classmates and spoken to by police

after concerns were raised by teachers that they could in fact

The mother says her sons would never have been

The boys both suffer nightmares. Nigh youngster who is only five gets

scared that he's going to be taken away from his siblings. He wakes up

in the night. Lawyers for President Trump have

been trying to convince an appeals court to bring back his travel ban

on people from some The court heard that Donald Trump's

ban on arrivals from Somalia could help stop members

of the terror group al-Shabab But lawyers for two US states said

it discriminated against Muslims. Judges will make their

decision later this week. The Government's plans to double

free childcare for pre-schoolers has been thrown into doubt,

with most councils saying they are unsure if they can

manage the scheme. From September, three

and four-year-olds in England will be entitled to 30 free hours

of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has

found that more than half say they don't know if they have enough

places to offer. Victim support groups are calling

for more protection for rape Some rape victims say

they were interrogated about their own sexual history

while giving evidence Today MPs will debate a bill that

would stop defence lawyers from this That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Here's some sport

now with Will Perry. Leicester manager Claudio Ranieri

has denied that there's a crisis at the club despite the reigning

Premier League champions being just The Italian's been given a vote

of confidence by the board ahead of tonight's FA Cup 4th round replay

against Derby with Leicester's owner flying over from

Thailand for the game. Leicester are yet to win

in the league this season They sit just one point

above the relegation zone. There is no crisis. When you don't

win you lack a little confidence, it's normal. It's normal, but

fortunately these players are warriors because they are used to

fighting. They already leave this situation. They leave the good

things, but also the better things. Football Association chairman

Greg Clarke says he will quit if the organisation can't win

government support A motion of no confidence in the FA

will be debated in the House of Commons tomorrow after five

former FA executives said the governing body had

failed to "self-reform". Germany's World Cup winning captain

Philipp Lahm will retire The 33-year-old announced his

decision after Bayern's German Cup It means he will leave Bayern,

where he's won seven League titles and the Champions League,

a year before his contract expires. Alistair Cook says Joe Root is ready

to succeed him as England Test captain but thinks

there are a number of other Cook stepped down on Monday

and says it's sad to walk away with Root the favourite

to be appointed skipper. I think he'd do a very good job. He

has got a huge amount of respect in the dressing room. But there is

other people as well. Ben Stokes has got a leadership role no doubt at

some stage. I think the way he has improved. He is one of those people

that people gravitate. Jonny Bairstow and Jos Butler did a great

job in Bangladesh. We're lucky there is a good group of people pushing

forward. Hover gets it will do a great job.

The chairman of the Japanese golf club set to host the sport

at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics says they are bewildered by requests

to lift its ban on women becoming full members.

The International Golf Federation has said it will consider moving

Olympic golf at the Games to another venue if the current club refuses

The club currently allows women to join only as partial members

That's the sport, I'll bring you the headlines at 10.30am.

Sian is a mum of twin seven-year-old boys and is a police officer.

Last year her husband died of leukaemia, he was just 40.

She says she is one of the "lucky ones" because she is entitled

to something called the widowed parents allowance.

It's a benefit you're entitled to if your husband or wife dies,

but you must have children, be under 45, and crucially be

married or in a civil partnership to be eligible for the payments

which last until the child is out of a parent's care.

But this is about to change and Sian has written to her MP to raise

the issue, not for herself, but for others.

In my humble opinion, it should be available

to all parents who are bringing up bereaved children.

I know of someone whose partner died last year,

They weren't married, so she's not entitled to WPA.

Why is that they be not entitled to help from the Government

in the form of payments is her dad paid in?

Is no child should have to live in poverty because their mother

I am only six months into this horrendous journey,

but I cannot see how a year from now I would be in any less

My children are not suddenly going to be able to fend for themselves

Widowed parents are the only parents the children have.

We are our children's everything, and quite frankly, I would not be

able to be the parent my children need and deserve without

That's just part of Sian's very moving letter.

From April this year the payments will only last for 18 months.

At the moment when a spouse or civil partner dies there is ?2,000

tax-free sum then a monthly payment of ?487 which will be taxed.

Under the new system, the tax-free lump sum goes up

to ?3,500 followed by 18 monthly payments of ?350.

If you are on this allowance your payments won't be affected.

Let's talk now to Ros Evans who lost her husband two

She's now 47 and her husband died when he was 46 and they have two

children aged six and 12, and Georgia Elms who is chairman

of charity Widowed and Young which helps those who have been

affected by a partner's death early in life.

And MP Debbie Abrahams who speaks for Labour. Thank you very much for

coming on the programme. Ros I wonder if you could give us a little

insight into what it's like to lose your partner when you are so young,

when he was so young? It is something you just never expect.

Mike was full of life. He worked hard. He played hard. He had a great

joy for life full stop. Life was for today and for living. He was only

46, at age 44 in June 2012 he got diagnosed with testicular cancer, by

that point it was a lump in his stopl auk and started bleeding. He

had chemotherapy, surgery, he had kidney failurement we lived on a

cancer rollercoaster. You never knew what was going to happen. You never

knew how you were going to get through that night. So we were so

busy or I was so busy trying to keep him living and looking after the

children and finding people to give them to through every single

emergency which happened continually to think about what would happen

afterwards. I had no idea how we would sur rife

afterwards because you're too busy trying to keep somebody alive thaw

don't expect to die. Even when he went in the hospice I thought he

might just come home and pick up a bit of strength. Hope continues.

After he died you decided to give up work to be a full-time mum and the

widowed parents allowance helped you do that? I worked in the theatre

industry for over 20 years on the technical side doing lighting, great

time, great career, long hours, difficult to deal with children. I

continued to work when I had my first child around my husband's

work. He was paid more. He worked in the corporate industry so he was

away a lot too. When we had our second child I didn't work in the

first year because it couldn't coincide with his work schedule and

then after that he was just away a lot. The Motor Shows come one after

the other, the other in the spring and he then got cancer when she was

18 months. I didn't make a conscious decision

to give up, that's the way it happened. I had to look after him

and young children and there was no possibility of even thinking about

work. How important has the widowed parents allowance been for you? It's

my main source of income. It is topped up by child tax credits and

child benefit. I'm two-and-a-half years, so beyond the point that it

would now stop and it is still my main source of income. I don't have

experience in any other kind of work and it's difficult for me to go back

to my own job. I have started aplaying for jobs. I filled in my

first ever application form. The theatre industry works on who you

know in your last job. I may have to train into something different. I

need to look after my children first. But as you are a current

recipient of this allowance, as I understand t you won't be affected?

No. What will happen is for new claimants from April, people would

only be eligible for this for 15 months, you would get ?3,000

upsfropbt and ?350 for 18 months. Is that enough? No way. No way. --

upfront. I found out I was pregnant the day after my husband died so I

could have claimed that until she is 18. Like Ros I have been working

part-time and it enables you to be around for your children that are

grieving, you know, suddenly, you know, it's not just your own grief

that you have to deal with, you have to be there to support your

children. And you don't have any, you know, you don't have back-up. So

it's, that money helps you with extra childcare and it enables you

to be able to work part-time and 18 months is just nowhere near enough.

Is this is what the DWP say: A DWP spokesman said:

"The old system, introduced more than 90 years ago,

was based on the outdated assumption that a widowed parent relied

on their spouse for income, This doesn't reflect

people's lives today. The new Bereavement Support Payment

restores fairness to the system and focuses support

during the 18-month period after a loved one dies,

when they need it the most. It is also easier to claim, it

won't be taxed and will be subject to a disregard for benefit claims,

helping those on the lowest We could survive on my husband's

wage. He was paid a decent wage. Our outgoings weren't huge. They are

saying, it won't be taxed. It is really that 18 month period after a

loved one died that you need the support? It is not 18 months.

They're basically saying that my daughter when she was 18 months old,

that's it, you don't need any help. Family Allowance, that lasts until

they are 18. So they think, they're not taxing it, but at the moment it

is being taxed at probably the same amount. So no, it is not, it is an

insult to say it is difficult for the first 18 months. It's not. It's

ten years for me. This is money that my husband paid into with his

national insurance. It is not their money. Had he lived it would have

been his pension. The other thing, they're saying that they are

modernising it. If they're modernising why haven't they

included people who are not married? One in six children are born to

parents who are not married and they're ignoring them. Debbie

Abrahams, as a Labour MP you don't agree with the changes that are

coming in in in April. In April? Is there any chance of a reprieve? It

is under hand. The Government introduced it as a secondary

legislation, it won't be debated on the floor of the House so we're

pushing for that. As Ros and Georgia outlined, the impact around child

poverty for example, we know that three-quarters of the parents who

are bereaved, 40,000 children are affected in 2015 will lose on

Arsenaling ?17,000. This really compounds the grief that they're

experiencing the opportunities they have to comfort their children, but

putting financial pressure on them. It is a new low for the Government.

The people who are eligible will have no idea. Somebody could die in

a car crash and they could say you have no right. It will not be

upgraded with inflation, six months after somebody has been bereaved,

they have to demonstrate that they are actively looking for work. It

really is absolutely appalling. It is very hard with young children.

Absolutely, they compound the grief they are experiencing. 4 million

children are already living in poverty. The potential impact of

this will increase and this is a lifetime effect, it is appalling.

When you are in opposition it is easy to say these things. When you

are in government you have to make these really hard decisions. If this

is the type of society we want to live in, we have had tax cuts for

the wealthiest, we know from the Institute for Fiscal Studies

analysis that the people on the highest incomes have been the net

beneficiaries of tax changes. It is people on low incomes particularly

who will be affected. It just is appalling. It is challenging being

widowed as well as having to do this as well. You found out the day after

your partner died that you were pregnant. I cannot imagine what it

is like. Yes, it was a very difficult time. My daughter Scarlett

still says, my daddy did not know I existed. Yes, it was very...

Obviously you can show her photographs of her dad, do you talk

about him a lot? Yes, I do, to make sure there is a bond. When I tell

her off, she says, my daddy would not have told be off and I say, yes

he would. And I also tell her about the charity that has saved my life

and kept me going, so she is able to mix with other children who have

lost their parents. Also we support adults and we say as long as the

adult is OK, the child will be OK. We have just been away on a weekend

with a load of other families and it makes her realise that she is not

the only child like this. But it is horrible. Just telling you a

one-year-old daughter that her dad has died is one of the most awful

things you can ever do. My eldest daughter started secondary school in

September and he should have been there to see that. Your grief just

carries on. The government introduced this in 2014, before the

2016 welfare format and the two child limit clause and they have

reassessed or re-evaluated the financial impact of this. As a

minimum they should be doing that and presenting that to the House so

we can debate it. How are your children? Aged six and 12? Yes.

Three and a half years without their daddy. The younger one, he died when

she was two, so she has less physical memories. You have to make

those for her. You have to have photo albums to look at regularly.

My oldest son has a memory and find it in some ways a lot more sad and

does not talk very much. My younger daughter has always been very

matter-of-fact and she will talk about it quite a lot. But actually

aged six she has become much more clear. She will say suddenly, I want

to stay with you. You are the only parent, the only person they have

got. So if you are out of work every hour of the day and they are in

childcare, they have already lost one parent and they do not want to

lose another one. If you do not have that ongoing financial support, that

is very difficult. Thank you for talking to us.

We asked Caroline Nokes, the parliamentary under-secretary

at the DWP, to come on the programme, but

MPs will vote again on the bill that could see the formal start

A number of changes are being voted on, including protecting the rights

The bill will then go to the House of Lords.

But what impact is all this having in EU countries?

Is it leading to the citizens of other european countries wanting

We can talk to our assistant political editor Norman Smith

Today is the day when we expect Theresa May to get the thumbs up for

her bill triggering our departure from the EU. What is amazing when

you think we have had two weeks of Parliamentary argy-bargy, fears that

MPs might be able to delay or even derail the plans for Brexit, she

seems on course to get that bill through the Commons with an

absolutely stonking majority and with no amendments at all. In other

words, she will have succeeded in getting her bill through unaltered

on her timetable. More than that, she seems also to have basically

split her opponents asunder, they are all over the place. Last night

we had Tory rebels, those determined to fight her, some of them backing

her, some abstaining, some voting against, and on the Labour side they

are also at sixes and sevens. Some are determined to resist Brexit even

though the party is under the mandate from Jeremy Corbyn to back

it. And yesterday the Labour front bench was saying it is a great deal

and older Labour heads saying it was a stitch up because they will not be

able to send Theresa May back into the negotiating table if they do not

like the deal they get. The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, this

morning insisted it was all going well. It is difficult, I accept we

have not got everything we wanted, but we are fighting hard to get the

right concessions. There are another two years to go and we will not give

up that battle. It is difficult, we are in opposition, but we are trying

to get more scrutiny. One of the interesting things is whether this

turmoil in Labour ranks prompt more resignations. We know three members

of the Shadow Cabinet have already resigned and there is speculation

about whether Moore might walk the plank tonight. An interview has been

done with the Shadow Business Secretary, Clive Lewis, who was seen

as a potential replacement for Jeremy Corbyn, a credible left-wing

challenger. He is known to have deep reservations about Theresa May's

approach to Brexit. We cannot show you the interview, but I have got

the words. He is asked if this your last day in the Shadow Cabinet? I

have got to make a decision on how I vote. Which way will you vote? I am

going to make my mind up, I do not know, a lot on my plate, see what

happens in the lobby today, you guys will be the first to know. Let me

translate. The normal reaction of a Shadow Cabinet minister asked that

question is of course I will back my leader. That is not what Clive Lewis

is saying. From where I am sitting it seems to me he is tinkering on

the edge of walking out of the Shadow Cabinet, which explains

Jeremy Corbyn's rather terse attitude when he was doorstep to

this morning. Good morning, how nice of you to come here this morning.

Goodbye. Why the Clive Lewis situation matters is because I

suspect if he walks, that will trigger a whole new bout of Jeremy

Corbyn leadership speculation. Persistent talk about how long he

will go on. The important thing about Clive Lewis is he is not one

of the usual suspects, he is not an old Blairite rearguard. But

increasingly he has been distancing himself from Jeremy Corbyn on issues

like Trident and if he was to walk, that would put rocket fuel under

speculation about Jeremy Corbyn's position. If he does walk, another

Labour leadership contest? Surely not. You hesitate to say what might

happen. It is hard to see another contest being triggered. You would

see a lot of manoeuvring and positioning. There are plenty of

people on the left who are pretty unhappy about Jeremy Corbyn's

leadership. It is not that they dislike him distrust him, they think

he is very good. Would they have a capable, ambitious, young,

energetic, left-wing leader in Clive Lewis? That might be very attractive

to many figures on the left. Figures on the right might take the view

better to have a capable left-winger than Jeremy Corbyn who just does not

seem to be able to cut through with the electorate. Really interesting

times. We are going to talk to somebody who is campaigning for a

referendum for the Netherlands to leave the EU.

And Thierry Baudet who is campaigning for a referendum

What do you think about Britain's decision? It was the best news I

have heard in many years. It is something many other countries in

Europe will in due course try to follow, the example set by Britain

to break free from the European Union and to pursue a cause of

freedom and sovereignty once again. I was very happy with the news on

the 23rd of June. What impact is it having on the citizens of the

Netherlands? Clearly it is galvanising you to campaign for a

referendum, what about the rest of the population? What we have seen in

the past month is that many people in the Netherlands were saying we

cannot get out any more, it is a lost cause. Now with Britain's

setting the example we are gaining confidence again that maybe we could

be a democratic, sovereign nation once again as well. It is a great

example and many people have more confidence now than they used to

have in the possibility of a country to reclaim its sovereignty. Another

example Britain has set, which is something our leaders have

unfortunately not followed in the Netherlands, is to listen to a

referendum. We had a referendum on the 6th of April about the

association agreement with Ukraine and our leaders brushed it aside and

said we will push on with it anyway. It is a great thing that British

Parliamentary democracy is still functioning to the extent we will

probably see our vote in your Parliament supporting Brexit, even

though the Tories were not in favour of it themselves. That is a great

example of democracy. You had a referendum about something else and

the politicians ignored the answer. What if you had a referendum on

leaving the EU and the majority said they wanted to leave, the

politicians could ignore the answer? That is a possibility, but I am

still confident that politicians cannot ignore referendum after

referendum after referendum. We have had two about the European project

that have been ignored, the first on the 1st of June in 2005 when we

voted about the European constitution. It was passed through

under a different name a couple of years later. Earlier this year we

had a referendum about the association agreement with the

Ukraine and that was ignored. I am confident political leaders will not

be able to ignore yet again another referendum. That is if you get one,

but a pattern is emerging when it comes to referenda in the

Netherlands. Quite right, and it is remarkable. I find it remarkable

that the Dutch press is not critical about this. They seem to accept the

ignoring of the people's votes rather easily, whereas I think it is

remarkable. The mother of back packer

Mia Ayluff Chung - murdered in Australia last August -

will be on the programme accusing President Trump of using fake news

about her daughter's death by falsely claiming she was

the victim of terrorist attack. And we want to hear your

experiences if you've adopted a child from abroad -

that's after Madonna returns to Malawi - this time to adopt twin

four-year-old girls. Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of the news. Plans to treat more patients

in the community have so far failed to save money or reduce hospital

admissions in England, according to the Government's

spending watchdog. The National Audit Office says

ministers were over-optimistic in thinking a scheme called

the Better Care Fund could The Supreme Court has ruled that

a woman from Northern Ireland should be allowed access to her partner's

local government pension, Denise Brewster and Lenny McMullen

lived together for ten years. The case is seen as a test

of how pension firms With us now is our correspondent

Chris Page in Belfast. Tell us how significant this? It is

an interesting judgement handed down by the Supreme Court half an hour

ago. The case by Denise Brewster from Coleraine in Northern Ireland,

she lived with her partner for ten years. They owned their own home and

got engaged in 2009, but in the early hours of boxing morning Mr

McMullan died suddenly and he had been paying into a 15. Years.

Mr McMullan hadn't nominated anyone. What it came down it is

discrimination, was it the case the Supreme Court considered that the

rights were put above the rights of long-standing co habiting couples

and the judges decided that was the case and ruled in Denise Brewster's

position. It is a significant judgement with many implications.

Thank you very much. MPs are to vote on the Brexit bill

today - deciding whether to give Theresa May the power

to leave the EU. Last night the Government saw off

a possible rebellion after promising that any final deal will be put

to the Commons. The Prime Minister says she's

committed to triggering Article 50 to begin formal talks by the end

of next month. A mum says compensation paid

to her two young sons after they were racially

discriminated against, will never make up for the distress

they were put through when police were called to the school over toy

guns they were given as presents.The local education authority has

apologised for how the two boys were treated and said it was due

to the school not following council procedures around

safeguarding concerns. The boys, who were five and seven

at the time, were segregated from classmates and spoken

to by police after concerns were raised by teachers

that they could in fact The mother says her sons have

suffered lasting damage. The Government's plans to double

free childcare for pre-schoolers has been thrown into doubt,

with most councils saying they are unsure if they can

manage the scheme. From September, three

and four-year-olds in England will be entitled to 30 free hours

of care a week. But a poll of local authorities has

found that more than half say they don't know if they have enough

places to offer. Join me for BBC

Newsroom Live at 11am. Leicester's owner is flying over

from Thailand for the game. Football Association chairman Greg Clarke

says he will quit if the organisation can't win Government

support for its reform plans. A motion of no confidence in the FA

will be debated in the House of Commons tomorrow after five former

FA executives said that the governing body failed to self

reform. Germany's World Cup winning captain

is to retire. He will leave Bayern Munich a year before his contract

expires. And Alastair Cook says Joe Root would do a very good job if he

is appointed as his successor as England's Test captain. Root is the

favourite. Cook stepped down on Monday and said it is very sad to

walk away. I will have more sport for you throughout the day on the

BBC News Channel. Hopefully you will be wearing a suit by then because I

know you change which is interesting to me. No more than that!

Plans to offer 30 hours of free childcare to three and four year

olds in England could lead to a shortage of nursery places,

The 15 hours per week children currently receive in term time

The Department for Education says quality, affordable childcare

Joining me now is Megan Jarvie from the Family and Childcare Trust.

We asked all councils what they thought the impact would be and they

raised an uncertain picture of what will happen. Only a third were

confident that they would have enough places. A third weren't sure

about the quality of the places were reduced and 34% thought the

financial sustainability of some settings could be impacted. What

does the last bit mean? In the long-term some childcare providers

might find it hard to balance their books and could go out of business

if they don't fin a way of doing that. OK. How is it supposed to

work? You've got a three-year-old, you go, oh my gosh, I've got 30

hours of free childcare, I will get my child into the nursery up the

road. You say sorry, demand outstrips the number of staff we've

got. Is that what you're saying councils are telling you? What

councils are doing is working with all childcare providers so that's

council run ones and private ones. And they will pay any provider to

provide the additional hours. Some childcare providers are doing it and

will have plenty of places and others are struggling and saying

more us, it doesn't make sense and they won't be offering the 30 hours.

Because the Government aren't paying them enough money to provide the

free places? Why does it not make sense? A-range of reasons. Some are

saying, yes, actually we get more money by charging parents, it

doesn't match our costs to what the Government are paying us. For

others, it will be above what they are charging parents and it will

work. It is a varied picture and that's why it is really important

for local authorities to be working with childcare providers and why

they are the experts. That's why we asked them about what they thought

the impact would be. So they raised the concerns about what is going to

happen and what is concerning is what could happen for disadvantaged

kids. Children where their parents aren't working enough hours to get a

30 hour childcare place will be entitled to 15 hours. And we know

those places are really important to boost kids attainment and narrow the

gap between disadvantaged kids and their peers, but councils are saying

they could be put at risk. Half didn't know if the availability

would be affected by the roll out of 30 hours. OK, so there is a lot of

unknowns. What do we did? Wait until September and see happens? The

Government are piloting this in some areas. We want them to monitor those

pilot areas. Well, they will be. As well as the full roll out, but to

look at what is happening for disadvantaged children and what's

happening for the quality of care, not just are there enough places

available, but looking at the wider market and ma what does it mean for

kids and families. How do you define quality childcare in a nursery?

A-range of different things. We asked parents about how do you

define quality and they say you know when you walk in there, are the kids

happy? Are the staff good? There is things around staff qualifications

are important, what the setting is like, how long staff stay there,

what are the ratios of staff to children? It is a nuanced picture

and Ofsted measure it and there is and a range of ways. We need to keep

measuring what the quality is like and if that's going up or down as

the policy rolls out. The mother of a backpacker,

who was stabbed to death in Australia, has criticised

Donald Trump for calling 20-year-old Mia Ayliffe-Chung

from Wirksworth was killed in a hostel last year along

with a friend, Tom Jackson. The Trump administration

included their deaths on a list of alleged terror attacks executed

or inspired by so-callsed They released the list to back up

the President's claim that the media Rosie Ayliffe, Mia's mother,

has now written an open letter to President Trump,

saying Australian police ruled We can talk to Rosie now. Thank you

very much for talking to us. When you realised that your daughter's

death was on this list, how did you react? Well, I was puzzled, I

suppose because this had been ruled out very early in the investigation

by the police in Queensland in collaboration with the French

police. They worked together and they examined the case forensically

and they came up with a conclusion that there was no link. So it seemed

to me that White House officials should be able to do their research.

And that has prompted you to write this open letter. Why? I suppose I

wanted to put the record straight from the beginning it had been my

concern that this shouldn't be reported in this way by the media.

There were people in Australia who tried to make the same political

point regarding immigration there and I just don't think it's fair

that Mia's death should be used in that way. In terms of writing to

Donald Trump, what have you said in that open letter? I've basically

said that my experience as a travel writer have taken me to Muslim

countries and I found nothing but hospitality, love, respect for

others. My own personal experiences have always been good in Muslim

countries and for that reason Mia travelled herself abroad in Muslim

countries and she was also treated extremely well by friends of mine

and by people we didn't know. She was welcomed with open arms as was

I. I feel that there is a demonisation of travellers and of

immigrants and migrant workers and actually I think although it is

complicated the 88 days in Australia means that young people are

discriminated against and exploited over there and Mia was part of that.

Yes, there was a connection and Trump made that connection, he made

a connection between Mia and the Muslim immigrants who are waiting at

airports around America, but it's not the connection he wanted to

make. What do you want from him? Trump? I would like to see him

abdicate as president, but that's not going to happen. So I don't

know. I think, I don't... I suppose, an admission of error would be good.

Yes. Thank you very much for talking to us, Rosie. Thank you for your

time. Thank you.

A fierce critic of the Russian President Vladimir Putin has been

rushed to hospital with organ failure, two years after he nearly

Vladimir Kara-Murza, an opposition activist,

has been diagnosed with acute intoxication by an

His wife has told BBC News that she thinks he's been poisoned

again like fellow activist Alexander Litvinenko

He said that he felt his heart rate was very accelerated,

And then he was brought to the hospital, and

a few hours after that, his organs began shutting down

Their official diagnosis is an acute intoxication

What does that mean, as far as you understand it?

Well, it seems like it is, because there are no

We sent some samples to Israel and France,

and to have his hair, blood and nails tested again.

And we are hoping to find some answers.

It would be very hard to suggest who exactly would be behind this,

but we know that the situation in Russia is such nowadays that

opposition leaders can be shot in front of the Kremlin,

can be poisoned, can be thrown in jail.

Anything can happen to people who choose to stand up to Putin.

Even before he was poisoned for the first time, I was,

because I knew what he was doing, what exactly his

But he truly, deeply believes in what he does.

He believes that he can make a change.

He believes that by staying firm, by sticking to your

You can get what you're fighting for.

Thanked you for all your comments on our story about a mother whose two

sons were interviewed by police after one of them told the teacher

that they had a new toy gun at home. So sad when children are no longer

able to be children. Greg says, I would remove my child

from that school. That is what the mother did. She also told us her

children are still trying to get over the deal. We are trying to help

them move on. It will not assist them right now for them to know

about the case and the publicity. We are trying as best we can as a

family to move them on from this, but they are negative effects. From

a day-to-day basis the boys both suffer nightmares, my youngster in

particular who is only five, gets scared he will be taken away from

his siblings. He wakes up in the night, he never did before, this

incident has traumatised him. My eldest boy, the evening it happened,

he was extremely traumatised. In fact, when we got home he had what I

can only describe as an emotional meltdown, half an hour of crying and

being upset and he threw himself at me and he said he thought the police

were going to take him away. That was upsetting for him and us. He has

quite serious issues with trusting his new school and his new teachers,

which is not fair on them or us. You put them somewhere new? Yes, I moved

them straightaway. Why do you believe the headteacher, who was the

school's lead when it comes to safeguarding, widely believed they

called the police? It is fear. It did not escape my attention that

this happened, the date of the disclosure, was on the day of the

Belgian bombings, and people are scared, people are terrified.

Teachers have this duty to look out at children and look for signs of

radicalisation and extremism. I know the teachers involved all had some

very paltry Prevented training. But for that training they would not

have been looking for this sort of aspect. One of the things the

teacher said to me was that she had noticed a change in behaviour in my