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In just a few minutes the second US presidential debate will get under

Over the past few days the campaign has been dominated by a tape

which emerged showing Donald Trump speaking in lewd terms about women,

sparking many in his party to retract their endorsements

and even to call for him to step aside.

In response Trump vows he will never step down and tonight held an event

with women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault.

You can see the shot, the scene in St Louis, at the University where

this debate will be held in just a a few minutes' time. It is a town hall

format with questions from the audience.

For more we can cross now to the BBC's Anthony Zurcher

I can't imagine you've ever prepared to go into a presidential debate

quite like the last few hours. No, this is incredibly remarkable.

Donald Trump has been telegraphing since Friday night that he is going

to go after Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton hard, bringing up the

spectre of Bill Clinton's past accusations of sexual impropriety

and that is unheard-of in a presidential debate. We will see if

he goes through with it or if it is an attempt to rattle Hillary

Clinton. There is dramatic footage that came out just before the

debate. People were wandering in the debate hall. Bill Clinton shaking

hands with millennia Trump and Donald Trump's children. They seem

very cordial but I think the fireworks will happen as soon as the

debate starts. OK, so, what are we expecting to come up at the

beginning of the debate in terms of questions for the candidates? We

have heard from the start the very first issue that's going to be

raised is the issue of Donald Trump's tapes and what he said,

joking about unwanted sexual advances towards women in very crass

language. Now, by a coin toss Hillary Clinton will be asked about

it first. So she will have the first chance to respond. That is probably

good for Donald Trump. He can wait and see what Hillary Clinton will

do, if she is aggressive and goes after him or lies back and he can

thank out his response on what she does. For all indications Donald

Trump is going to try to drag Hillary Clinton down with him. That

is exactly the opposite of what the Republican establishment seems to

want. I think they would rather he be contrite, apologise and focus on

his economic message. For them it is high risk and low reward and could

damage the brand but there is little chance Donald Trump can get back

into the game. He was heading down in the polls even before this news

broke on Friday. We are seeing pictures of the families of Maloney

Trump, Chelsea Clinton, Bill Clinton, or -- will I have to say is

they are looking stressed and tense. This is political drama and for both

families it is personal drama as well and Melania has said she is not

happy about those words on the tape. For Chelsea Clinton it must be a

tough night as well. It has to be incredibly awkward. (CROSSTALK). I

am going to interrupt you because we are going to the moderators who are

introducing the second presidential debate. The second presidential

debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, sponsored by the

commission on presidential debate. Tonight's debate is a town hall

format which gives voters a chance to ask candidates questions. Martha

and I will ask follow-up questions but the night belongs to the people

in this room and two people across the country who have submitted

questions online. The people you see on this stage were chosen by the

Gallop organisation, they are from the St Louis area and they told

Gallop they haven't committed to a candidate. Each of them came here

with questions they want to ask and we saw those questions for the first

time this morning. Anderson and I and our team from ABC and CNN are

the only ones who have seen them. Both candidates will have two

minutes to answer each audience and online question. We hope to get to

as many questions as we can, so we have asked the audience here not to

slow things down with any applause. That is except for now. Ladies and

gentlemen, the Republican nominee for president, Donald Trump, and the

Democratic nominee for president, Hillary Clinton. APPLAUSE. Hello,

hello, hello. Hello. APPLAUSE. Thank you very much for being here.

We will begin with a question from one of the members in our town hall.

Each of you will have to minutes to respond to this question. Secretary

Clinton, you have the coin toss, so you can answer first. The first

comes from Patrice. Thank you and good evening. The last presidential

debate could have been rated as MA, mature audiences, for TV guidelines.

Do you think you are modelling appropriate and positive behaviour

for today's youth? Thank you. Are you a teacher? Yes, I think that is

a very good question. I have heard from lots of teachers and parents

about some of their concerns about some of the things that are being

said and done in this campaign. And I think it is very important for us

to make clear to our children that our country really is great because

we are good. And we are going to respect one another, lift each other

up. We are going to be looking for ways to celebrate our adversity and

we are going to try to reach out to every boy and girl as well as every

adult to bring them in to working on behalf of our country. I have a very

positive and optimistic view about what we can do together. That's why

the slogan of my campaign is "Stronger together" because if we

work together and overcome the divisiveness that sometimes sets

Americans against one another and instead we make some big goals, and

I have set forth some big goals, getting the economy to get working

for everyone, not just at the top, making sure we have the best

education system from preschool through college and making it

affordable, and so much else. If we set those calls and we go together

to try to achieve them, there is nothing in my opinion that America

can't do. So that's why I hope that we will come together in this

campaign. Obviously I'm hoping to earn your vote, I am hoping to be

elected in November and I can promise you I will work with every

American. I want to be the president for all Americans regardless of your

political beliefs, where you come from, what you look like, your

religion. I want us to heal our country and bring it together

because that's our think the best way for us to get the future that

our children and our grandchildren deserve. Mr Trump, two minutes.

Well, I actually agree with that. I agree with everything she said. I

began this campaign because I was so tired of seeing such foolish things

happen to our country. This is a great country, this is a great land.

I have gotten to know the people of the country over the last year and a

half that I've been doing this as a politician. I cannot believe that I

am saying that but I guess I have been a politician. And my whole

concept was make America great again. When I watch the deal is

being made, when I watch what is happening with some horrible things

like Obamacare, where your health-insurance and healthcare is

going up by numbers that are astronomical, 68%, 59%, 71%, when I

look at the Iran deal and how bad it is for us, it is a one-sided

transaction where we are getting back $150 billion -- giving back

$150 billion to the number one terrorist state, we have made them a

strong country from a very weak country just three years ago. When I

look at all of the things that I see and all of the country that the

country has, such tremendous potential, whether it is in business

and trade, where we are doing so badly, last year we had almost $800

billion trade deficit, in other words, trading with other countries,

we had an $800 billion trade deficit. That is hard to believe,

inconceivable. You say who is making these deals? We will make great

trade deals, we'll have a strong border, we will back law and order.

Just today a policeman was shot, two were killed, happening on a weekly

basis. We have to bring back respect to law enforcement. At the same time

we have to take our people on all sides. We need justice. I want to do

things that haven't been done, including fixing and making our in a

city is better for the African American citizens that are so great,

and for the Latinos, Hispanics and I look forward to doing it, it is

called make America great again. Thank you, Mr Trump. The question

was about are you both modelling positive and appropriate behaviour

for the youth of today. We have received questions online about the

tape released on Friday. You called what you said locker room banter.

You described kissing women without consent and grabbing their genitals.

That is sexual assault. You brag that you have sexually assaulted

women. Do you understand that? I did not say that at all and I don't

think you understood what I said. This was locker room talk. I am not

proud of it. I apologised to my family and the American people. I am

not proud of it but it is locker room talk. When you have a world

where you have either stopping off heads, and frankly drowning people

in the steel cages, where you have wars and horrible sights all over,

so many bad things happening, this is like mediaeval times, we have

seen nothing like this, the carnage all over the world -- ISIS chopping

heads. They look and they see. Can you imagine the people that are

frankly doing so well against us with ISIS and they look at the

country and see what's going on? Yes, I and our spy it, I hate it but

it is locker room talk and it is one of those things -- I despise it. I

will not be hell out of ISIS. We are going to defeat ISIS. ISIS happened

years ago in a vacuum that was left because of bad judgement and I will

tell you, I will take air of ISIS. Mr Trump... We can get onto much

more important and much bigger things. Just for the record, are you

saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not

kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? I have great

respect for women. Nobody has more respect for women than I do. You say

you never did that? You hear these things. I was embarrassed by it. I

have tremendous respect for women. Have you ever done those things?

Women have done those things for me. No, I have not. I will tell you I am

going to make our country set, we will have borders in our country

which we don't have now, people are pouring into the country, coming

from the Middle East and other places, we are going to make America

safe again, we will make it rate again but we are going to make

America safe again. And we are going to make America wealthy again.

Because if you don't do that it just sounds harsh to say but we have to

build up the wealth of the nation. Thank you, Mr Trump. Other nations

are taking our jobs and wealth and that's what I want to talk about.

Secretary Clinton, do you want to respond? Well, like everyone else

I've spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours about what we

heard and saw. You know, with pride Republican nominees for President I

disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles, but I never

questioned their fitness to serve. Donald Trump is different. I said

starting back in June that he was not fit to be president and the

manner in chief. -- and commander in chief. Many Republicans and Happy

independents has said the same thing. What we all saw and heard on

Friday was Donald talking about women, what he thinks about women,

what he does to women and he has said that the video doesn't

represent he is but I think it is clear to anyone who heard it that it

represents exactly who he is -- Independents has said the same

thing. Because we've seen this throughout the campaign. We have

seen him insult women, we have seen him rate women on their appearance,

ranking them from one to ten, we have seen him embarrass women on TV

and on Twitter, we saw him after the first debate spent nearly a week

denigrating a former Miss universe in the harshest, most personal terms

-- Miss Universe., so, yes, this is who Donald Trump is. But it is not

only women and it is not only this video that raises questions about

his fitness to be our president. He has also targeted immigrants,

African-Americans, Latinos, people with disabilities, POWs, Muslims and

so many others. So, this is who Donald Trump is. And the question

for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who

we are. That's why to go back to your question, I want to send a

message - we all should - to every boy and girl and indeed to the

entire world that America already is great but we are great because we

are good. And we will respect one another and we will work with one

another and we will celebrate our diversity. These are very important

values to me, because this is the America that I know and love and I

can pledge to you tonight that this is the America that I will serve if

I am so fortunate enough to become your president.

Am I allowed to respond to that? It is just words, folks. Words I have

been hearing the many years. I heard them running for the Senate in New

York, when Hillary was going to bring back jobs and she failed. When

she constantly talked about the inner cities of our country, which

are a disaster. In every way possible. I am going to help the

African Americans, Latinos, Hispanic. I am going to help the

inner cities. She has done a terrible job for the African

Americans, she wants their vote and she wants to come back for years

later. We saw that first-hand... Mr Trump, I want to get to audience

questions... She is allowed to do that but I not allowed to respond,

sounds fair. The state is generating immense interest. It has become the

most what story, with millions of people watching it on social

network. We want to bring in questions via social media. Jeff

asks, Mr Trump says the campaign has changed him, when did that happen?

Let me add to that, when you walked off that bus at age 59, were you a

different man or did that behaviour continued? That was lots of room

talk -- locker room. I am a person who has great respect for people,

for my family, and I not proud of it. If you look at Bill Clinton, far

worse. Mine are words, his work actions. There has never been

anybody in the history of politics in this nation that has been so

abusive to women. So you can say it anyway you want to say it but Bill

Clinton was abusive to women. Hillary Clinton attacked those same

women. Full of them here tonight. One of the women, at 12 years old,

was braked. At 12. -- raped. She has been seen laughing at the girl who

was raped. She is here tonight, Kathleen Willey, do not tell me

about words. I apologised for those words. He was impeached, he lost his

licence to practise law, he had to pay $150,000 fine to one of the

women, Paula Jones, who is also here tonight and I will tell you that

when Hillary brings up the points like that and she talks about words

ACT 11 years ago, I think it is disgraceful and I think she should

be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth.

APPLAUSE. Can we please hold the applause. Let me start by saying

that so much of what he has just said is not right but he gets to

decide what he wants to talk about, how he runs his campaign, instead of

answering questions, instead of laying out plans like we have, where

we think we can make a better life and country, that is his choice.

When I hear something like that, I reminded of what my friend, Michelle

Obama reminded us all, when they go low, you go high. CHEERING AND

APPLAUSE. Look, if this was just about one video, maybe what he is

saying tonight would be understandable but everyone can draw

their conclusion about whether or not the man in the video and on the

stage respects women and he never apologises for anything to anyone.

He never apologised to Mr and Mrs Khan, the Goldstar family whose son

died in the line of duty in Iraq and, Donald insulted and attacked

them for weeks over their religion. He never apologised to the

distinguished federal judge who was born in Indiana but Donald said he

could not be trusted to be a judge because his parents were quote

Mexican. He never apologised to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked

on national television and our children were watching. And he never

apologised for the racist lies that President Obama was not born in the

United States of America. He owes the president an apology, he owes

our country an apology and he needs to take responsibility for his

actions and his words. Well, you are the President an apology because, as

you know very well, Sydney Bloem and fell, another real winner you have,

and he's the one that got this started along with your campaign

manager. Two weeks ago she was saying exactly that. You are the one

that sent the pictures around with President Obama in a certain dark,

long before I was around. -- garb. Michelle Obama, I got to see the

commercials they did on you and I got to see some of the most vicious

commercials I have ever seen about Michelle Obama talking about you,

Hillary. You talk about friend? Go back and take a look at those

commercials, a race you lost their and square, unlike the Bernie

Sanders race which you one but not fair and square. All you have to do

is take a look at WikiLeaks and what they say about Bernie Sanders.

Between super delegates and others, he never had a chance. I was so

price to see him sign on with the devil. But when you talk about

apology, I think the thing you should be apologising for other

33,000 e-mails that you deleted and that you acid washed and the two

boxes of e-mails and other things, last week, taken from an office and

now missing. I tell you what, I did not think I would say this but I am

going to say this and I hate to say it but if I win, I going to instruct

my Attorney General to get a special prosecutor to look into your

situation because there has never been so many lies, so much

deception, and we are going to have a special prosecutor. When I speak,

I go out to speak to people in this country and they are furious stop

the people in the FBI are furious. You get a subpoena and after getting

the subpoena, you deleted 33,000 e-mails and then you acid wash them

or bleach them. A very expensive process. We are going to get

prosecuted and look at it because, you know what, people's lives have

been destroyed by being one of these of... Everything he just said is

absolutely false but I not surprised. ... The audience needs to

calm down here. It would be impossible to check fact Donald all

the time because I would not have the time to talk about how we are

going to make life better. Go to Hillary Clinton .com and fact check

him in real time. Last time, in the last debate, we had millions of

people doing it and I expect we will have millions more. It is just

awfully good that someone with the temperamental of Donald Trump is not

in charge of the law in our country. Because you would be in jail.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE. We want to remind the audience to please not

talk out loud and please do not applaud. You are just wasting time.

You said your handling of your e-mails was a mistake. The FBI

called your handling extremely careless. There were e-mails

exchanged, eight of which were top secret and that it was possible

actors did get access to them. You did not call that careless? That was

a mistake, I said it before and I will repeat it. They take

responsibility for using a personal e-mail account. Obviously, if I was

to do it over again, I would not. I am not making any excuses stop it

was a mistake and I very sorry about that. It is important to point out

where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others.

After a year-long investigation, there is no evidence that anyone

hacked the server I was using and there is no evidence that anyone can

point to, at all, anyone that says otherwise has no basis, that any

pacified material handed up in the wrong hands. I take classified

material very seriously, I was really to a lot of classified

material and obviously, as Secretary of State, I had some of the most

important secrets that we possess, such as going after Bin Laden, so I

very committed to taking classified information seriously and, as I

said, there is no evidence that classified information ended up in

the wrong hands. And yet, she did not know the word, the letter C, she

did not know what that letter meant. It is amazing, I watching Hillary

going over fact and she is lying again because she said... You know,

what she did with the e-mails was fine, you think it was fine to

delete 33,000 e-mails. She said it had to do with her daughters

weddings and a yoga class. 33,000 in lost deleted and now she is saying

there was nothing wrong. That was after getting a subpoena. That was

after. She got it from the United States Congress and I'll be honest,

I disappointed in Congressmen, including Republicans, to allow this

to happen. Our justice department where her husband talks to the

Attorney General days before a ruling is made in her case but for

you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting 39,000

e-mails, again, you should be ashamed of yourself and this is

after getting a subpoena from the United States Congress and... We

have to move on. We want to give the audience a chance. ... Let alone

after getting the subpoena... Look, it is just not true and so,

please... Allow her to respond. 33,000? We turned over 35,000.

Police, allow the two respond, she did not talked when you talked.

Because you had nothing to say. I would like to get to the questions

that people brought here tonight to talk about... And get off this

question. OK, I know you are into big divergent tonight anything apart

from talking about the way your campaign is exploding... (CROSSTALK)

I want to talk about... We have a question about healthcare. As a

lawyer, while you not bringing up the e-mails... We did. Now you have

not. Nice, one against three. Thank you. Obamacare, it is not

affordable. Premiums have gone up, deductibles have gone up,

prescriptions have gone up and the coverage has gone down. What would

you do to bring the cost down and make coverage better?

That goes to Secretary Clinton because you started out with the

last one to the audience. He wants to start this one. Go ahead. No, I

am a gentleman. Go ahead. LAUGHTER. I think Donald was about to say he

will solve it by repealing it and getting rid of the Affordable Care

Act. I am going to fix it. I agree with you. Premiums have gotten too

high, deductibles, prescription drug costs and I have laid out actions I

can take to get them down. Here is what I don't want people to forget

when we are talking about reining in the cost, which has to be the

highest priority of the next president. When the Affordable Care

Act passed it wasn't just that 20 million people got insurers who

didn't have it before but that in and of itself was a good thing. I

meet these people all the time and they tell me what a difference they

said having that insurance meant to them and their families. But

everybody else, the 170 million of us who get health insurance through

our employers got big benefits. Number one on a insurance companies

can't deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Number two,

no lifetime limits -- number one, no insurance companies. That is a big

deal if you have serious health problems. Number three, women can't

be charged more than men for health insurance, which is the way it was

before the Affordable Care Act. Number four, if you are under 26 and

your parents have a policy my you can be on that policy until the age

of 26, something that didn't happen before. So I want very much to save

what works and is good about the Affordable Care Act but we've got to

get costs down, we've got to provide sunny additional help to small

businesses so that they can afford to provide health insurance -- some

additional. If we repeal it, as Donald has proposed, and start over

again, all of those benefits I just mentioned are lost to everybody, not

just people who get their health insurance on the exchange. And then

we would have to start all over again. Right now we are at 90%

health insurance coverage. That is the highest we have ever been in our

country. Secretary Clinton your time is up. I want to get to 100% but get

down the cost and keep up the quality. Mr Trump, two minutes. It

is such a great question and maybe the question I get almost more than

anything else, outside of defence. Obamacare is a disaster. You know

it, we all know it. It is going up at numbers that nobody has ever seen

worldwide. Nobody has ever seen numbers like is for healthcare. It

is only getting worse. It employs by itself. Their method is to ask

Congress for more money. More money! We have right now almost $20

trillion in debt. Obamacare will never work. It is very bad, very bad

health insurance. It is far too expensive and not only for the

person who has it but unbelievably expensive for the country. One of

the biggest line items very shortly. We have to repeal it and replace it

with something absolutely much less expensive and something that works.

Your plan can actually be tailored. We have to get rid of the lines

around the state, artificial lines, where we stop insurance companies

from coming in and competing. Because they wanted, President Obama

and whoever was working on it, they want to leave those lines because it

gives the insurance companies essentially monopolies. We want

competition. You will have the finest health-care plan there is.

She wants to go to a single pay a plan which would be a disaster.

Someone similar to Canada. When they want a bigger come to the US in many

cases. Their system is so slow its catastrophic in certain ways. She

wants to go to single payer which means the government basically rules

everything. Hillary Clinton has been after this for years. Obamacare was

the first step. Obamacare is a total disaster. And not only are your

rates going up by numbers no one has ever believed, but you are -- your

deductibles are going up so that unless you are hit by a truck you

are never going to be able to use it. It is a disastrous plan and it

has to be repealed and replaced. Secretary Clinton, let me follow up

with you. Your husband called Obamacare the craziest thing in the

world saying business owners costs were doubling. Was he mistaken or

telling the truth? He clarified what he meant and it is very clear. We

are in a situation in our country where if we were to start all over

again we might come up with a different system. But we have an

employer -based system. That is where the vast majority of people

get their healthcare. And the Affordable Care Act was meant to try

to fill the gap between people who were too poor and couldn't put

together any resources to afford healthcare, namely people on

Medicaid, obviously Medicare which was a single payer system which

takes care of our elderly and does a great job doing it, by the way. And

then all the people who were employed by people who were working

but didn't have the money to afford insurance and didn't have any body,

an employer or anybody else, to help them. That was the slot that the

Obamacare approach was to take. And like I say, 20 million people now

have health insurance. So if we just rip it up and throw it away what

Donald isn't telling you is we turn it back to the insurance companies

the way it used to be. That means insurance companies get to do

whatever they want, including saying, sorry, you have diabetes,

you have asthma, your child has asthma, you might not be able to

have insurance because it can't afford. So, let's fix what's broken

about it but let's not throw it away and give it all back to the

insurance companies. Let me follow up with you, Mr Trump. Just one

thing, first of all, everything is broken about it. Bernie Sanders said

Hillary Clinton has very bad judgement. This is a perfect example

of it. Trying to save Obamacare... You have said you want to end

Obamacare and you said you want to make coverage accessible for people

with pre-existing conditions. How can you force insurance companies to

do that if you don't mandate... You are going to have plans. What does

that mean? You will have plans that are so good. We are going to have so

much competition in the insurance industry once we break out the lines

and allow competition to come. President Obama... We have a

mandate...? President Obama, by keeping those lines, the boundary

lines around each state, and it was almost gone until just towards the

end of the passage of Obamacare... Which, by the way, was a fraud, and

you know that. Because Jonathan Gruber, the architect of Obamacare,

he said it was a great light, it was a big lie. President Obama said you

keep your plan. The whole thing was a fraud and it doesn't work. When we

get rid of those lines you have competition and we will be able to

keep pre-existing. We will also be able to help people that can't get

and don't have money... Because we will have something that keeps

people protected and we believe this strongly. We are going to block

grant into the states, we are going to block grant into Medicaid into

the safe so that we will be able to take their people without the

necessary funds to take air of themselves. Thank you, Mr Trump. Now

we have a question for both candidates. There are 3.3 million

Muslims in the United States and I am one of them. You have mentioned

working with Muslim nations. With Islamophobia on the rise, how will

you help people like me to deal with the consequences of being labelled

as a threat to the country after the election is over? Mr Trump, your

first. Well, you're right about Islamophobia and that's a shame --

you're first. But one thing we have to do is we have to make sure

that... Because there is a problem. Whether we like it or not, we can be

very politically correct but whether we like it or not there is a

problem. And we have to be sure that Muslims come in and report when they

see something going in, when they see hatred going on they have to

report it. As an example, in San Bernardino. Many people saw the

bombs all over the apartment of the two people who killed 14 and wounded

many people, horribly wounded - they won't be the same. Muslims have to

report the problems when they see them. And, you know, there is always

a reason for everything. If they don't do that it is a very difficult

situation for our country because you look at Orlando, and you look at

San Bernardino and you look at the World Trade Center, go outside and

look at Paris, look at that horrible... These are radical

Islamic terrorists and she won't even mention the word and nor will

President Obama. He won't use the term radical Islamic terrorism. Now,

to solve a problem you have to be able to state what the problem is or

at least save the name. She won't say the name and President Obama

won't say the name. The name is fair. It is radical Islamic terror.

And before you solve it, you have to say the name -- the name is there.

Secretary Clinton. Well, thank you for asking your question, and I have

heard this question from a lot of Muslim Americans across the country.

Unfortunately, there has been a lot of very divisive, dark things said

about Muslims and even someone like Captain Con, the man who sacrificed

himself defending our country in the United States army has been subject

to a attack from Donald -- Khan. First, we have had Muslims in

America's installed Washington. We've had many successful Muslims.

We've just lost a particular well-known one with Muhammad Ali. My

vision of America is an America where everyone has a place if you

are willing to work hard, you do your part, you contribute to the

community, that is what America is, that is what we want America to be

for our children at our grandchildren. It is also very

shortsighted and even dangerous to be engaging with the kind of

demagogic rhetoric Donald Trump has with Muslims. We need American

Muslims to be part of our eyes and ears on our frontlines. I have

worked with a lot of different Muslim groups around America. I have

met with a lot of them and I have heard how important it is for them

to feel that they are wanted and included and part of our country,

part of our Homeland Security, and that is what I want to see. It is

also important i.e. Intent to defeat ISIS. To do so in a coalition with

majority Muslim nations. Right now and a lot of those nations are

hearing what Donald says and wondering, why should we co-operate

with the Americans? This is a gift to ISIS and the terrorists. Violent

jihadist terrorists. We are not at war with Islam. It is a mistake and

it plays into the hands of the terrorists to act as though we are.

So I want a country where citizens like you and your family are just as

welcome as anyone else. Thank you, Secretary Clinton. Mr Trump, in

December you said this, Donald Trump is calling for a total and complete

shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until the country's

representatives can figure loud what the hell is going on. We have no

choice we have no choice. -- figure out what the hell is going on.

You're running mate said this week that the Muslim ban is no longer

your position. Is that correct? If it is, will is it a mistake to have

a religious test? Captain Khan is an American hero and if I was president

at the time he would be alive today because unlike her, who voted for

the war without knowing what she was doing, I would not have had our

people in Iraq. Iraq was a disaster. So he would have been alive today.

The Muslim ban is something that in some form has morphed extreme

vetting from certain areas of the world. Why did it morph into that?

Answer the question. Do you still believe... Would you still explain

whether or not the Muslim ban still stands? It is called extreme

vetting. We are going to areas like Syria, where they are coming in by

the tens of thousands because of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton

wants to allow a 550% increase over Obama. People are coming into our

country like we have no idea who they are, where they are from, what

their feelings about our country is, and she wants 550% more. This will

be the Trojan Horse of all time. We have enough robins in this country

and I believe in having other people pay for this who are not carrying

their weight because they don't have enough money and take care of people

but I don't want to have, with all the problems this country has an all

the problems that you see going on hundreds of thousands of people

coming in from Syria when we know nothing about them, we know nothing

about their values and we know nothing about their love for our

country. And Secretary Clinton, let me ask you about that, because you

have asked for an increase from 10,000 to 65,000 refugees. We know

you want tougher vetting. That is not a perfect system, so why risk

having them come into the country? I will not let anyone come into the

country that I think will pose a risk to us but there are a lot of

refugees. Women and children. Think of that picture we saw of the

four-year-old boy with the blood on his forehead because he had been

bombed by the Russian and Syrian air forces. There are children suffering

in this catastrophic war largely I believe because of Russian

aggression and we need to do our part, we by no means are carrying

anywhere near the low that Europe and others are. But we will have

vetting that is as tough as it needs to be from our professionals, our

intelligence experts and others. But it is important for us as a policy

not to say, as Donald has said, we are going to ban people based on a

religion. Do that?! We are a country founded on religious freedom and

liberty -- How do you do that?! How do you do what he has advocated

without causing great distress within our own country - are we

going to have a religious test when people fly into our country? And how

do we expect to be able to implement those? Indeed, you can look at the

propaganda on a lot of the terrorist sites and what Donald Trump says

about Muslims is used to recruit fighters. Because they want to

create a war between us. And the final thing I will say, this is the

10th the time that he has denied being for the in Iraq, we have it on

tape, the entire press corps has looked at it. It has been debunked

but it never stops him from saying whatever he wants to say. Has not

been debunked, has not been debunked. GOTO Hillary Clinton .com

and you can see it. I was against the war on Iraq, it has not been

debunked. There has been lots of fact checking on that. She just went

about 25 seconds over her time. Can I just respond to this please? Very

quickly, please. Hillary Clinton, in terms of people coming into our

country, we have many criminal illegal aliens, when we want to send

them back to their country, their countries as we don't want them, in

some cases they are murderers, drug lords, drug problems, and we don't

want them. And Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of State set we

can't force them back into the country. Let me tell you, I'm going

to force them back into the country. They are murderers and some very bad

people and I will tell you very strongly, when Bernie Sanders said

she had bad judgement, she has very bad judgement. We are letting people

into this country that are going to cause problems and crime like you

have never seen. We are also leading drugs poor through our southern

border at a record clip, at a record clip. And it shouldn't be allowed to

happen. I was just endorsed, by the border patrol agents, 16,500

recently endorsed me and they endorsed me because I understand the

border. She doesn't. She wants amnesty for everybody. Come right

in, come right over. It is a horrible thing she is doing. She's

got bad judgement, and honestly so bad that she should never be

president of the United States. That I can tell you. Thank you Mr Trump,

I want to move on. This next question comes from the public

through the bipartisan open debate Coalition's online forum where

Americans submitted questions which generated millions of votes. This

question involves WikiLeaks's release of purported excerpts of

Secretary Clinton's paid speeches which she has refused to release,

and one light in which she reportedly said... Two from Virginia

asked is it OK for politicians to be 2-faced, is it acceptable for a

politician to have a private stance on issues? Secretary Clinton, your

two minutes. Well, as I recall, that was something I set about Abraham

Lincoln after having seen the wonderful Stephen Spielberg movie

called Lincoln. It was a masterclass, watching President

Lincoln get the Congress to approve the 13th Amendment. It was

principled, and it was strategic. And I was making the point that it

is hard sometimes to get the Congress to do what you want to do.

And you have to keep working at it. And yes, President Lincoln was

trying to convince some people. He used some arguments, convincing

other people he used other arguments. That was a great... I

thought a great display of presidential leadership. But let's

talk about what is really going on here, Martha. Because our

intelligence community just came out and said in the last few days that

the Kremlin, meaning but in and the Russian government, are directing

the attacks, the hacking, on American accounts, to influence our

election. And WikiLeaks is part of that, as are other sites where the

Russians Hack information. We don't even know if it's accurate

information, and then they put it out. We have never, in the history

of our country, thin in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power,

is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election. And believe

me, they are not doing it to get me elected. They are doing it to try

and influence the election for Donald Trump. Now, maybe because he

has praised Putin, maybe because he says he agrees with a lot of what

Putin wants to do, maybe because he wants to do business in Moscow, I

don't know the reasons. What we deserve answers and we should demand

that Donald release all of his tax returns so that people can see what

are the entanglements and the financial relationships... And we

are going to get to that letter. Secretary Clinton, you are out of

time. I am going to respond, because it is so ridiculous. Look, now she

is blaming... She got caught in a total lie. Her papers went out to

all her friends in the banks, Golden Sacks and everything else, and she

says things, and WikiLeaks just came out, and she lied. -- Goldman Sachs.

And she is blaming the Lie on the late, great, Abraham Lincoln. Honest

Abe never lied. That is a big difference between Abraham Lincoln

and you. That is a big difference, we are talking about some

difference. But as far as other elements of what she was saying, I

don't know Putin. I think it would be great if we go along with Russia,

because we could fight ISIS together, as an example. But I don't

love Putin. But I notice any time anything wrong happened they like to

say the Russians... She doesn't know if it is the Russians doing the

hacking. Maybe there is no hacking, but they always blame Russia. And

the reason they blame Russia is they think they are trying to tarnish me

with Russia. I know nothing about Russia. I know about Russia, but I

know nothing about the inner workings of Russia. I don't deal

there, they have no businesses that have loans from Russia, have a very

great balance sheet, so great that when I did the old Post Office on

Pennsylvania Avenue to the United led government because of my balance

sheet, which they actually know very well, chose me to do the old Post

Office between the White House and Congress. Chose me to do the old

Post Office. One of the primary things, in fact perhaps primary

thing, was balance sheet. But I have no loans with Russia. You could go

to the United States government and they would probably tell you that

because they know my sheet very well in order to get that development.

Now, the taxes are a very simple thing. As soon as I have... First of

all, I pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. Many of her

friends took bigger deductions. Warren Buffett took a massive

deduction. Saul Rose took a massive deduction. Many of the people that

are giving her all this money that she can do many more commercial than

me, gave her... Took massive deductions. I pay hundreds of

millions of dollars in taxes, but as soon as my routine audit is

finished, I will release my returns. I will be very proud to. Turning to

the topic of taxes, we have a question from Spencer Moss. Spencer?

Good evening. My question is, what specific tax provisions will you

change to make sure the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share in

taxes? Well, one thing I would do is get rid of carried interest. One of

the greatest provisions, for people like me, to be honest with you, I

give up a lot when I run because I knock out the tax code. And she

could have done this years ago. She was United States senator. She

complains that Donald Trump took advantage of the tax code. Well, why

didn't she change? Why didn't you change it when you were a senator?

The reason you didn't is that all your friends take the same advantage

that I do. And I do. We have provisions in the tax code that

frankly you would change, but you wouldn't change it because all these

people give you the money so that you can take negative ads on Donald

Trump. And I say that about a lot of things. I have heard Hilary

complaining about so many different things over the years, but she has

been here. For 30 years she has been doing this much your Mac stuff. She

never changed and she never will change. We are getting rid of

carried interest provisions, I am lowering taxes, actually, because I

think it is so important for corporations, because we have

corporations leaving, massive corporations and little ones. The

ones can't form. We are getting rid of regulations which goes

hand-in-hand with the lowering of taxes but we are bringing taxes down

from 35% to 15%. We are cutting taxes for the middle class, and I

will tell you, we are cutting them big league for the middle class. And

I will tell you, Hillary Clinton is raising your taxes, if you look at

me, she is raising taxes high. And what that is going to do is a

disaster for the country. But she is raising the taxes and I am lowering

your taxes. That in itself is a big difference. We are going to be

thriving again. We have no growth in this country. There is no growth. If

China has a GDP of 7%, it is like a national catastrophe. We are down on

1%. And that is like... No growth. And we are going lower, in my

opinion. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that our taxes are so

high. Just about the highest in the world. And I am bringing them down

to one of the lower in the world. And I think it is so important, one

of the most important things we can do. But she is raising of a body's

taxes massively. Secretary Clinton, you have to make minutes. The

question was what specific taxes would you change to make sure all

Americans pay their fair share? Well, everything you have heard from

Donald is not true. I'm sorry I have to keep saying this, but he lives in

an alternative reality. And it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who

hasn't paid federal than maybe 20 years talking about what he is going

to do, but I will tell you what he is going to do. His plan will give

the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax cuts they have ever had.

More than the Bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two. Donald always

takes care of Donald and people like Donald. And this would be a massive

gift. And indeed, the way that he talks about his tax cuts would end

up raising taxes on middle-class families, millions of middle-class

families. Now, here is what I want to do. I have said nobody who makes

less than $250,000 a year, and that is the vast majority of Americans,

as you know, we'll have their taxes raised. Because I think we have got

to know your Mac go whether money is on the money is with people who have

taken advantage of every single break in the code. And yes, when I

was a senator, I did vote to close corporate loopholes. I voted to

close, I think, one of the loopholes he took advantage of when he claimed

a $1 billion loss which enabled him to avoid paying taxes. I want to

avoid attacks on people who are making -- I want to have a tax on

people who are making 1 billion dollars. Warren Buffett has said

that someone like him should not be paying a lower tax rate than his

secretary. I want to have a surcharge on incomes above $5

million. We want to make up for tough times because I want to invest

in you, I want to invest and hard-working families and I think it

has been unfortunate that it has happened that since the great

recession, the gains have all gone to the top. And we need to reverse

that. People like Donald, who paid zero in taxes, 04 hour our flats,

zero for our military, zero for health and education, that is wrong.

And we are going to make sure that no corporation and no individual can

get away without paying his fair share. -- zero for our vets. I want

to talk about what she is referring to, last month the taxes were the

biggest issue in the election, your tax three pages from your taxes were

released by the New York Times, which showed that you made a loss of

$1 billion and could have avoided paying taxes for years. You have not

answer the simple question, did you use that $900 million loss to avoid

paying federal taxes. Of course I do, and so do most of her donors. I

know many of her donors. Her donors took massive tax write-offs. A lot

of my right off was depreciation, and other things that Hillary as a

senator allowed. And she will always allow it, because the people who

give all this money, they want it. That is why. I understand the tax

code better than anybody who's ever run for president. Hillary

Clinton... And it's extremely complex. Hillary Clinton has friends

who want all of these provisions, including they want to carried

interest provision, which is very important to Wall Street people but

they really want the carried interest revision, which I think

Hillary is leaving. Very interesting why she is leaving carried interest.

But I will tell you that number one I pay tremendous numbers of taxes. I

absolutely use it, and so did Warren Buffett, and so did George Soros,

and so did many other people that Hillary is getting money from. I

won't mention their names, because they are rich but not famous. Can

you say how many years you have avoided paying federal income taxes?

No, but I pay tax and they pay federal tax as well. I have a right

off, a low depreciation, is a wonderful charge. And she had a

problem, for 30 years she has been doing that. I say it all the time,

she talks about healthcare. Why don't you do is only about a? She

talks about taxes, why didn't she do something about it? She doesn't do

anything about anything other than talk. With her it is all talk and no

action. And again, Bernie Sanders, is really bad judgement. She has

made bad judgement not only on taxes, she's made bad judgement on

Libya, on Syria, on Iraq. I mean, and Obama, whether you like it or

not, the way they got out of Iraq, the vacuum they have left, that is

why ISIS formed in the first place. They started from that little area,

and now they are in 32 different nations, Hillary. Congratulations,

great job. Would you like to respond? Here we

go again. I have been in favour of getting rid of carried interest for

years, starting from when I was a senator... Why didn't you do it? I

was a senator with a Republican president... You were...

APPLAUSE. If you were an effective senator you could have done at.

Allow her to respond. She did not interrupted. And our Constitution,

presidents have something called the power of veto. He has said

repeatedly 30 years these and 30 years that. Let me talk about my 30

years of service. 8 million kids every year have health insurance

because when I was first lady I worked with Democrats and

Republicans to create the insurance programme for children. Hundreds of

thousands of children now have the ability to be adopted because I

worked to change the adoption and foster care system. After 9/11 I

went to work with the Republican, governor, and president, to rebuild

New York and get healthcare for first responders because they had

gotten sick sick. National Guard people have healthcare because of

the work I did. And children have safe medicine because I was able to

pass a law that required the dosing to be more carefully done. When I

was Secretary of State I went around the world advocating for our

country, but also advocating for women's rights to make sure that

women had a decent chance to have a better life. And I negotiated a

treaty with Russia to lower nuclear weapons. 400 pieces of legislation

have my name on it. As a sponsor or co-sponsor when I was a senator for

each years. I worked very hard and was proud to be re-elected in New

York by an even bigger margin than I was elected the first time. --8

years. And as president I will take that work, that bipartisan work,

finding common ground, because you have to be able to it along with

people to get things done in Washington. Hillary Clinton. And I

have gotten results. Syria. Both of you have mentioned that... She said

a lot of things and I think should be allowed... No. Donald Trump. Were

going to move on. The heartbreaking video of a five-year old in Syria in

an ambulance after being pulled from the rubble after an airstrike in

Aleppo focused the attention of the world on the war in Syria. With 136

million views on Facebook alone. But there much worse images coming out

of Aleppo every day now were in the past few weeks alone 400 people have

died, at least 100 of them children. Just days ago, the State Department

called for a war crimes investigation of the Syrian Regime

of Bashar al-Assad and its allied Russia for the bombardment of

Aleppo. So this next question comes from social media through Facebook.

Diane from Pennsylvania asks if you are president what would you do

about Syria and the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo? Isn't it a lot

like the hollow cast, when the US waited too long to help? --

Holocaust. The situation in Syria is catastrophic. Every day that goes by

we see the results of the regime by Bashar al-Assad and the partnership

with Iranians on the ground, the Russians in the air, bombarding

places, in particular, Aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of

people, probably about 250,000, still left. And there is a

determined effort from the Russians to destroy Aleppo in order to

eliminate the last of the Syrian rebels who were really holding out

against the Bashar al-Assad regime. Russia hasn't paid any attention to

Islamic State. They are interested in keeping Bashar al-Assad in power.

When I was Secretary of State I advocated and I advocate today a

no-fly zone and safe zones. We need leverage with the Russians because

they are not going to come to the negotiating table for a diplomatic,

umm, resolution, unless there is some leverage over them. And we have

to work more closely with our partners and allies on the ground.

But I watched to emphasise that what is at stake here is the ambitions

and the aggressiveness of Russia. Russia has decided that it is all in

in Syria and they have also decided who they want to see become

President of the United States as well. It is not me. I have stood up

to Russia, I have taken on Vladimir Putin and others, and I would do

that as president. I think wherever we can co-operate with Russia, that

is fine, and I did as Secretary of State, that is how we got a treaty

reducing nuclear weapons, and how we got sections on Iran that put a lid

on the Iranian nuclear programme without firing a singular shot. We

had more leverage than we do now. But they do support the effort to

investigate war crimes committed by the Russians and trying to hold them

accountable. The so-called line in the sand... I wasn't. I hate the

interop... Excuse me. You were in contact with them. Sadly, Obama

probably still listened. He will not listen to you any more. Obama draws

the line in the sand. It was last out all over the world, what

happened. -- laughed at. With that being said, she talks tough against

Russia, but the nuclear programme of the US has fell way behind. Russia

has gone well ahead. That is not good. Should not have allowed that

to happen. Russia is new in terms of nuclear. We are old and tired and

exhausted with nuclear weapons. She the tough, really tough, against

Vladimir Putin and against Bashar al-Assad. She talks in favour of the

rebels. She doesn't even know who they are. You know, time we rebels,

whether it is in Iraq, or anywhere else, we are arming people. -- every

time. And what happens is they are worse than who are there before.

Look at what happened in Libya with her and Gaddafi. It was a disaster.

The fact is, almost everything she has done in foreign policy has been

a mistake and it has been a disaster. But if you look at Russia,

just take a look at Russia, and look at what they did this week, where I

agree she wasn't there, but possibly she was consulted, we signed a peace

treaty. Everyone was excited. But what Russia did with Bashar

al-Assad, and by the way, Iran, which we made powerful with the

dumbest deal ever, the Iran deal, with $150 billion, with 1.7 million

in cash, enough to fill up this room... But look at this deal. Iran

and Russia now are against us. So she wants to fight. She wants to

fight for rebels. There is only one problem, you don't even know who the

rebels are. Donald Trump. Your ten minutes are up. I don't like Bashar

al-Assad at all but he is killing Islamic State. Russia is killing

Islamic State. And Iran is killing Islamic State. And those three have

now lined up because of our week for policy. -- week foreign policy. Let

me repeat the question. LAUGHING. If you work president,

what would you do about Syria and the humanitarian crisis in Aleppo? I

want to remind you what you're running mate said, he said

provocations by Russia need to be met by American strength. If Russia

continues to be involved in airstrikes along with the Syrian

airstrike forces of Bashar al-Assad, the US should be prepared to use

military force to strike the military targets of the Bashar

al-Assad regime. He and I haven't spoken and we disagree. You disagree

with your running mate? We need to knock out Islamic State. Syria is

knocking out Islamic State. But Syria is no longer Syria, Syria is

Russia. And it is Iran that she made strong, and Kerry and Obama made it

into a rich and powerful nation very, very quickly. Very, very

quickly. And I believe we have to get Islamic State. We have to worry

about Islamic State before we can get too much more involved. She had

a chance to do something in Syria, they had a chance, and that was the

line. What will happen if Aleppo falls? I think it is a disaster.

What you think will happen if it falls? I think basically it has

fallen. It has basically fallen. The biggest problem with the stupidity

of our foreign policy, we have mostly... I think most of the

Islamic State leaders are in Mosul. We have them coming out of Iraq. We

would eat acting Mosul in three or four weeks. All these bad leaders

from Islamic State are leaving from Mosul. -- attacking. Why can't they

do the attack and make it a sneak attack and after the attack is made,

inform the American public that we have knocked out the leaders and

have had tremendous success. They will leave. Why do we have to say we

are going to be attacking Mosul within 3-4 weeks. How stupid is our

country? There are sometimes reason the military does that.

Psychological warfare. I can't think of any... It might be to help get

civilians out. Look, I have 200 generals and 21 Congressional medal

of honour recipients who trust me. We talk about it all the time. They

understand. Why can't they do something secretively? Where they go

in and knock out the leadership? Why would these people stay there? Tell

me what your strategy is. Mosul, it is the, between Raqqa and Mosul,

this is where they think the Islamic State leaders are. Why would they

stay there? They are gone, because everyone is talking about how Iraq,

which is us, without leadership, goes into fight Mosul. Now, with

these 200 generals and recipients, they can't believe it. General

Douglas MacArthur, George Patton, they are spinning in their graves,

at the stupidity of what we are doing in the released. Secretary

Clinton, you advocated arming rebels. -- doing in the Middle East.

It looks like that may be too late for Aleppo. You talk about

ceasefires, but they have failed. Would you introduce the threat of US

military force beyond a no-fly zone against the Bashar al-Assad regime

to back up diplomacy? I would not use American ground forces in Syria.

I think that would be a very serious mistake. I don't think American

troops should be holding territory, which is what they would have to do

as an occupying force. I don't think that is a smart strategy. I do think

the use of special forces, which we are using, the use of enablers and

trainers in Iraq, which has had some positive effects, are very much in

our interest, and I do support what is happening. But... What would you

do differently to what Barack Obama is doing? I hope that by the...

Well... I hope by the time I am president that we will have pushed

Islamic State out of Iraq. I do think there is a good chance that we

can take Mosul. And, you know, Donald Trump says he knows more

about Islamic State than the general. No, he does not. There are

a lot of very important planning things going on, and some of it is

to signal to the Sunnis in the area as well as Kurdish Peshmerga

fighters that we all need to do this and be in this and that takes a lot

of planning and preparation. Would go after Abu Bakr Baghdadi, because

that made it different and it would help. I would also armed the Kurds.

They have been our best partners in Syria, as well as Iraq. And I know

there is a lot of concern about that, especially in some circles,

but I think they need the equipment they need so that Kurdish and Arab

fighters on the ground are the principal way that we take Raqqa

after pushing Islamic State out of Iraq. Thank you very much. She went

over a minute and you did not stop her. When I go one seconds... You

had many answers. A question from James Carter. Mr Carter. My question

is, do you believe you can be a devoted president to all of the

people in the United States? That question begins for Donald Trump.

Absolutely. I mean she calls our people deplorable. A large group

irredeemable. I will be a president for all of our people. And I will be

a president that will turn our inner cities around and will give strength

to people, and will give economics to people, and will give jobs back.

Because NAFTA, by her husband, is possibly the greatest problematic

trade deal in history. It stripped us of many factoring jobs. We lost

our jobs and our money and our plans, it is a disaster. Now she

wants to sign the TTP. She called at the gold standard. By the way, at

the last debate, she lied. She said she did not say that. She actually

said that. She lied. OK? I would be a president for all of

the people, African-Americans, the inner cities, devastating, what's

happening to our inner cities. She's been talking about it for years. As

usual, she talks about it, nothing happens. She doesn't get it done.

Same with Filipino Americans. The Hispanic Americans, the same

exacting -- the Latino Americans. They talk, they don't get it done.

You go into the inner cities and it is 45% poverty, African Americans,

45% poverty in the inner cities. The education is a disaster. Jobs are

essentially non-existent. I mean, it's... You know, and I've been

saying in big speeches where I have 20,000 and 30,000 people, what do

you have to lose? It can't get any worse. And she's been talking about

the inner cities were 25 years. Nothing is going to ever happen. Let

me tell you, if she is president of the United States, nothing is going

to ever happen. It will just be talking, all of her friends, the

taxes we are talking about, and I were just get it by a osmosis, she

is not doing me any favours. But by doing it she is doing others

favours. But I will tell you she is all talk, it doesn't get done. All

you have to do is take a look at upstate New York. Your two minutes

is up. It turned out to be a disaster. You have two units,

Hillary Clinton. Well, 65% of people voted for me to re-elect me when I

read from a second term and I was very proud and humbled by that. Mr

Carter, I have tried my entire life to do what they can to support

children and families. You know, right out of law school I went to

work for the children's defence fund and Donald talks a lot about... You

know, the 30 years I have been in public service. I am proud of that.

I started off as a young lawyer, working against the Skrunda nation,

against African-American children, in schools and in the criminal

justice system -- against discrimination. I worked to make

sure that kids with disabilities can get a public education, something I

care very much about. I have worked with Latinos. One of my first jobs

in politics was down in South Texas, registering Latina citizens to be

able to vote. So I have a deep devotion, to use your absolutely

correct word, to making sure that every American feels like he or she

has a place in our country. And I think, when you look at the letters

that I get, a lot of people are worried that maybe they wouldn't

have a place in Donald Trump's America. They write me and... One

woman wrote me about her son, Felix. She adopted him from Ethiopia when

he was a toddler. He is ten years old now, this is the only country he

has ever known, and he listens to Donald on TV and he said to his

mother one day, will he send me back to Ethiopia if he gets elected? You

know, children listen to what is being said, to go back to the very

first question. And there is a lot of fear that in fact teachers and

parents are calling it the Trump Effect. Bullying is up, a lot of

people are feeling uneasy, a lot of kids are expressing their concerns.

So first and foremost, I will do everything I can to reach out to

everybody, Democrats, Republicans, independence, people across our

country. If you don't vote for me, I still want to be president. I want

to be the best president I can be for every American. I want to follow

up on a comment you made last month. He said that half of Donald Trump's

supporters are, quote, deplorables. You later said he regretted saying

half. You didn't express regret for using the term deplorables. How can

you unite the country if you have written off tens of millions of

Americans. Well, within hours I said I was sorry with the way I talked

about that because my argument is not with his supporters. It is with

him, and with a hateful and divisive campaign that he has run. And the

inciting of violence at his rallies, and the very brutal kinds of

comments about not just women, but all Americans. All kinds of

Americans. And what he has said about African-Americans and Latinos,

about Muslims, about POWs, about immigrants, about people with

disabilities, he has never apologised for. And so I do think

that a lot of the tone and tenor that he has set, I am proud of the

campaign that Bernie Sanders and I ran. We ran a campaign based on

issues, not insults, and he is supporting the 100%. Because we

talked about what we wanted to do. We might have had some differences,

and we had a lot of debates, but we believed that we could make the

country better. And I was proud of that. We have a divided nation. We

have a very divided nation. You look at Charlotte, you look at all the

more, you look at the violence that is taking place in the inner cities,

Chicago, you take a look at Washington, DC. We have an increase

in murder within our cities. The biggest in 45 years. We have a

divided nation, because people like her... And believe me, she has

tremendous hate in her heart. And when she said deplorables, she meant

it. And when she said irredeemable, they are irredeemable, you didn't

mention that, but when she said they are irredeemable, to me that might

have been even worse. She has got tremendous hatred. And this country

cannot take another four years of Barack Obama, and that is what you

are getting with her. Mr Trump, let me follow up with you. In 2008 U

wrote in one of your books that the most important characteristic of a

good leader is discipline. You said if a leader doesn't have it he or

she won't be one very long. In the days after the debate, you sent out

a series of tweets between 3am and 5am, including one which said it

check out the sex tape. It wasn't check out a sex tape, it was taking

a look at this woman who she set up to be this wonderful... And when she

said 3am in the morning, take a look at Benghazi. Who is going to answer

the call at three a.m.? Guess what. She didn't answer. Because when

Ambassador Stevens... 600 times, she said she was awake at 3am, and she

also sent out a tweet at 3am, but I won't even mention that. She said

famously, we are going to answer a call at 3am, guess what happened,

Ambassador Stevens sent 600 request for help, and the only one she

talked to was Sidney Blumenthal, who is her friend, and not a good guy,

by the way. So she should be talking about that. Now, tweeting happens to

be a modern-day form of communication. I mean, you can like

it or not like it. I have, between Facebook and Twitter, almost 25

million people. It is a very effective way of communication, so

you can put it down but it is a very effective form of communication. I

am not un-proud of it, to be honest. Secretary Clinton, does Mr Trump had

a discipline to be leader? No. I am shocked by that. It is not the

opinion only of me, it is the opinion of many others,

African-Americans, former members of Congress, but it is in part because

those of us who have had the great privilege of seeing this job up

close and know how difficult it is, and it is not just because I watched

my husband take a $300 billion deficit and turn it into a $200

billion surplus, and 23 million new jobs were created, and incomes went

up for everybody. Everybody. African-American incomes went up

33%. And it is not just because I worked with George W Bush after

9/11, and I was very proud that when I told him what the city needed and

what we needed to recover he said you have got it and he never

wavered. He stuck with me. And I have worked and I admire President

Obama. He inherited the worst financial crisis in the great

depression. That was a terrible time for our country. We have to move

along. 9 million lost their jobs, 5 million homes were lost, and $15

trillion in family wealth was wiped out. We are back on the right track.

He would send us back into recession with his tax plans. Secretary

Benton, we are moving to an audience question. We are almost out of time.

We have the slowest growth since 1929. Our country has the slowest

growth, and jobs are a disaster. Mr Trump, we will get a question from

the audience. Thank you very much, both of you. Beth Miller has a

question for both candidates. Good evening. Perhaps the most important

aspect of this election is the Supreme Court justice. What would

you prioritise the most important aspect of selecting a Supreme Court

justice? We began with your two minutes, Secretary Clinton. You are

right, this is one of the most important issues in this election. I

want to appoint Supreme Court justices who understand the way the

world really works, who have real-life experience, who have not

just been at a big law firm and maybe clerk for a judge, and got on

the bench, but actually tried some cases and understand what people are

up against. I think the current court has gone on the wrong

direction so I would want to see the Supreme Court reversed citizens

United, and get dark, unaccountable money out of our politics. Donald

doesn't agree with that. I would like the Supreme Court to understand

that voting rights are still a big problem in many parts of our

country, that we don't always do everything we can to make it

possible for people of colour and older people and young people to be

able to exercise their franchise. I want a Supreme Court that will stick

with Roe versus Wade and a woman's right to choose and I want a Supreme

Court that will stick with marriage equality. Donald has put forth the

names of some people he would consider, and among the ones he has

suggested are people who would reverse Roe versus Wade and reverse

marriage equality. I think that would be a terrible mistake and

would take us backwards. I want the Supreme Court that doesn't always

side with corporate interest. I want a Supreme Court that understands

because you are wealthy you can give more money to something, doesn't

mean you have any more rights, or should have any more rights, than

anyone else. So I have very clear views about what I want to see, to

try to change the balance on the Supreme Court. And I regret deeply

that the Senate has not done its job. And they have not permitted a

vote on the person that President Obama, a highly qualified person,

they have not given him a vote to be able to have the full complement of

nine Supreme Court justices. I think that was a dereliction of duty. I

hope that they will see their way to doing it, but if I am so fortunate

as to be president, I will immediately move to make sure that

we feel that, we have nine justices, and they can work on behalf of our

people. Thank you, you are out of time. Mr Trump. Or a Scalia, great

judge, died recently -- Justice Scalia. I am looking to appoint

judges very much in the mould of Justice Scalia. I am looking for

judges... I have actively picked 20 of them. So that people would see,

highly respected, highly thought of, and actually very beautifully

reviewed by just about everybody. But people that will respect the

Constitution of the United States. And I think that this is so

important. Also the second amendment, which is totally under

siege by people like Hillary Clinton. They will respect the

second Amendment and what it stands for, what it represents. So

important to me, and Hillary mentioned something about

contributions, just so you understand. So I will have in my

race more than $100 million put in, of my money, meaning I'm not taking

all of this big money from all of these different corporations, like

she is doing. What I ask is this. I'm putting in more than doubled up

by the time it is finished I will have more than $100 million

invested, pretty much self funding and raising money for the Republican

Party and we are doing to mandatory on the small donations, $61 average

or so. I ask Hillary, why doesn't she make $250 million by being in

office? She used the power of her office to make a lot of money. Why

isn't she funding... Not for $100 million, but why did you put $10

million or $25 million or $30 million into your own campaign? It

is $30 million less for special interest that will tell you exactly

what to do and it would really I think be a nice sign to the American

public. Why aren't you putting some money in? You have made a lot of it

because of the fact that you have been in office. You made a lot of it

while you were Secretary of State, actually. So why are you putting

money into your own campaign, just curious. Thank you very much, we are

going to get onto one more question. The question was about the Supreme

Court and I want to quickly say I respect the second Amendment but I

believe there should be copper heads a background check and we should

close the gun show flip loophole, and close the online loophole. We

have one more question about energy policy. What steps will your energy

policy take to meet our energy needs, while at the same time

remaining environmentally friendly and minimising job loss for fossil

power plant workers. I think it is such a great question, because

energy is under siege by the Obama administration, under absolute

siege. The EPA, environmental protection agency, is killing these

energy companies, and foreign companies are now coming and buying

our top of the dying so many of our different plants, and then rejigging

the plant so that they can take care of their foil. We are killing,

absolutely killing, our energy business in this country. Now, I am

all for alternative forms of energy, including wind, including solar,

etc, but we need much more than wind and solar. You look at our miners.

Hillary Clinton wants to put all the miners out of business. There is a

thing called clean coal. Coal will last for 1000 years in this country.

Now we have natural gas in so many other things, because of technology.

We have unbelievable... We have found over the last seven years, we

have found tremendous wealth right under our feet. So good, especially

when you had $20 trillion in debt. I will bring our energy companies

back. They will be able to compete, they will make money, they will pay

off our national debt, they will pay off a tremendous Budget deficits,

which are tremendous. But we are putting our energy companies out of

business. We have to bring back our workers. You take a look at what is

happening to steal and the cost of steel. And China dumping vast

amounts of steel all over the United States, which essentially is killing

our steelworkers and oust deal companies. -- our steel companies.

We have to guard our energy companies. We have to make it

possible. The EPA is so restrictive that they are putting our energy

companies out of business. And all you have to do is go to a great

place like West Virginia or places like Ohio, which is phenomenal, or

places like Pennsylvania, and you see what they are doing to the

people, miners and others, in the energy business. It's a disgrace.

Two minutes. That was interesting. First of all, China is illegally

dumping steel in the US and Donald Trump is buying it to build here is

buildings, putting Americans still plans and workers out of business.

That is something I fought against as a senator. -- steel plants. Iowa

have a trade prosecutor to make sure we don't get taken advantage of by

China and steel and anything else. -- I would. You are in the business

and are aware of it, you know that for the first time ever we are

energy independence, not dependent on the Middle East. But the Middle

East controls a lot of the prices. The price of oil has been way down

to my having a damaging effect on many of the oil companies, right? We

are also producing natural gas, serving as a bridge to more

renewable fuels. I think that is a important transition. We need to be

energy independent. It gives us power and freedom than to be worried

about what goes on in the Middle East. We have enough worries over

there without having to worry about that. So I have a comprehensive

energy policy. But it does include fighting climate change because I

think that is a serious problem. And I support moving to a more clean,

renewable energy, as quickly as we can, because I think we can be the

twin if first century clean energy superpower and create new jobs and

businesses. -- 21st century. But they also don't want to leave people

behind. That is why I was the only candidate from the beginning of this

campaign to have a plan to help us revitalise coal country, because

those miners and their fathers and their grandfathers, many lost their

lives and were injured, but they turn the lights on and powered our

factories. I don't want to walk away from them. We have to do something

for them. The price of oil is down worldwide. So I have proposed

something to do for that and you can go to my website to see it. We have

sneaked in one more question from Karl Becker. Good evening. My

question to both of you is, regardless of the current situation,

would either of you name one positive thing that you respect in

one another? APPLAUSE.

LAUGHING Donald Trump, would you like to go first? Well, I certainly

will. Because I think that a very fair and important question has just

been asked. I respect his children. They are incredibly able and devoted

and I think that says a lot about Donald Trump. I don't agreed with

nearly anything else he says or does but I do respect that. And I think

that is something that, as a mother and grandmother, is very important

to me. So, I believe that this election has become, in part, so

conflict oriented, so it intends, because there is a lot at stake.

This is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. We

are going to be choosing a president who we'll set policy for, not just

four or eight years, because of what we have to do around the world to

energy and so much else and in The Supreme Court, there is a lot at

stake. It is one of the most important elections we have had.

That is why I have put forward policies and plans, to get it off

the personal and put it on to what we can do when I am president. I

hope people will check that so they can see that, yes, I did spent 30

plus years working to help children and families. I want to take all

that experience to the White House and do that every single day. Donald

Trump. Well, I consider the statement about my children to be a

very nice compliment. I don't know if it was meant to be one. But I am

very proud of my children. They have done a wonderful job and have been

wonderful, wonderful children. I consider that a compliment. I will

say this about Hillary Clinton, she does not quit, she does not give up.

I respect that. I tell you like it is. She is a fighter. I disagree

with much of what she is fighting for. I do disagree with her

judgement in many cases. But, she does fight hard, and she does not

quit, and she doesn't give up. But I consider that to be a very good

trade. Thank you, to both of you. -- trait. I want to thank both the

candidates and the university. This concludes the second Presidential

Debate. Thank you to everyone who watched as well. Tune in on October

19th for the final debate is taking place in Nevada. That concludes the

second US Presidential Debate. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump in

a town hall format for 90 minutes. At times it was extremely testy and

tense, with many interruptions and exchanges all-round. They addressed

the videotape in which Donald Trump said lewd comments about women,

taxes, Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server, character issues,

Islamic State must area, umm, and the took questions from the hole in

St Louis as well. Anthony Zurcher is also in St Louis. What was your

takeaway? Well, we were promised a nuclear war in the debate, and it

happened. We saw an exchange between the two candidates over Bill

Clinton's past and Donald Trump's past, but we were all left standing.

We had another 65 minutes of the debate. After that it was a muddled

mess. Donald Trump had the upper hand over subjects like Wikileaks

and the e-mails. And also about her e-mail server. But then Hillary

Clinton got the upper hand whenever it became a policy discussion

because Donald Trump often seems out of his depth when talking about

Obamacare or the policies about Syria. They talked about the lasting

legacy of either of the candidates, it was an afterthought. But that is

something that will be important. One of these people takes office in

January and that will definitely affect the Senate. Donald Trump went

on this debate with many people in his own party raising questions

about his fitness to be president, some even saying they were not going

to endorse him. I guess what he needed to do during the course of

this 90 minutes was stop the bleeding. I mean, he needed to make

sure that the floor did not drop out of his campaign and he did not wake

up tomorrow with another collection of Republicans saying they cannot

support in. Did he manage to do that? He had two bars. One was very

low. Showing up on the debate stage not flailing. He presented coherent

arguments. I think he did that. He was in the zone for much of the

debate. There was a higher bar, the scoring points against Hillary

Clinton and doing enough to change the dynamic of the election where he

might actually catch up with her, because she is leading in the polls

right now. I do think she did that. There was not enough of a different

doing the two of them to change it. -- difference tween. You never know

what will happen tomorrow. They could be a spin. There was a very

clear winner after the first debate. Are you suggesting there was not a

clear winner tonight? I don't think so. There was an explosion early on,

but after that I think the two candidates mostly brought a draw.

Donald Trump did better in the middle of the debate. Hillary

Clinton got points towards the end. But on the whole, yes, I did it was

a draw. It wasn't much of a town hall debate either. We had two

moderators and two candidates and it seemed like a roomful of onlookers.

There were not many questions from the audience, which is the best part

of this format. It seemed like a lot was fought between the two

candidates and the moderators. And it got pretty testy between Donald

Trump and the ABC moderator. There was less audience but so patient

than in previous debates. I will let you go. -- participation. More

guests, a Republican strategist and Democratic bolster. Let me start

with you. I think that it seemed Donald Trump went in with high

stakes given how many Republicans have said over the past few days

they are not sure they will carry on supporting it. Do you think that he

stopped that trend in his own party? In the essence of an objective

strategy in the debate, I was trying to listen if it was intentional or

unintentional, if you get beyond the journalist and political class, the

real question is, for a third Obama term, are you willing to take the

risk with him? The question in the last body eight hours are still

Republicans trying to answer, are you willing to take that risk? -- 48

hours. That is the sense of change. He planted seeds in the minds of

voters about her sense of being a politician. She has had her time and

hasn't done anything. He kept going back to those restraints. All those

words. And those key exchanges. We are seeing the candidates shaking

hands with people who were part of the town hall meeting. Hillary

Clinton and Bill Clinton just before. Do you... What was your

takeaway from this debate in terms of undecided or after this year and

a half, I find it remarkable there are people who have not made up

their minds. There are people who have not made up their minds, the

you think they would have been swayed one way or the other? It is

very hard to watch these debates and say, yeah, I think Donald Trump has

what it takes to be president. Even in his best answers, people were

saying, OK, that wasn't one of his worst, but he is still incoherent.

He has a big challenge simply interacting with the crowd and

answering the question and staying on topic and starting sentences and

ending a sentence in the same place on the same topic. He gets agitated,

he ebbs and flows with energy. He could not make it through 90 minutes

of staying on topic. He clearly does not have the temperament. The

candidates are leaving the debate hall at the moment. Going back to

their families. They will go to their surrogates in their campaign

staff will go into what is called the Spin Room in these debates where

they try to spin the debate to the press. I think there are 6- 700 of

the press from around the world. They will be there. Bill Clinton and

learn you trump will be there. -- Melania Trump. Let us start with the

beginning of the debate, the most tense bit. That is because it came

after the videotape allegations against Donald Trump. He apologised

or the sexual comments on that tape that was released earlier this week.

Take a listen. This was locker room talk. I am not proud of it. I

apologise to my family and the American people. I am not proud of

it. But this is locker room talk. We have a world where you have Islamic

State chopping off heads and frankly drowning people in steel cages and

you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over in so many bad

things happening. It is like mediaeval times. We have never seen

this. Carnage all over the world. And they look and they say, can you

imagine people doing so well against us with Islamic State? And a look at

our country and see what is going on. Yes, I am embarrassed about it.

I hate it. It is locker room talk. It is one of those things. I will

knock the hell outta ISIS. They happened years ago in the vacuum

left. That was because of bad judgement. I will tell you, I will

take care of them. Donald Trump... I will get onto more important things.

Just for the record, are you saying that what he said on the bus 11

years ago, that you did not actually grope or kiss women without consent?

I have great respect for them and no one has more respect for women than

I do. Is the trump... You hear these things I said, I was embarrassed by

it. But I have tremendous respect for women. Have you ever done those

things? And I will tell you... No, I haven't.

I have to tell you, it is extraordinary that we are in a

presidential debate format, and the moderators asking one of the

candidates whether he groped women. Were you persuaded? No, candidates

usually lose debates when they failed to diminish negative

perception and he certainly still has that. I think debates are

certainly situational, and I believe Hillary Clinton's answer, when you

have to deliver a precise moment where the circumstances arise, she

really I thought it a much better job. As a Republican strategist, how

concerning is that the EU, that videotape? It is extremely

concerning, and if you look at the factors of the presidency, of

suitability, not necessarily likeability or electability, but

suitability, it hits to the heart of the temperament and being an -- in

an emotional sense whether you can be present or not, that really hits

were her strengths are. I think she used him more as a foil, and she

didn't debate enough. If you look at from the previous debate, she knew

going into it that she could do that successfully. I thought she did.

That was the bit I suppose where Donald Trump was the most tense. It

seemed to me at the beginning of this debate he knew that this was

going to come up. His family went in, I thought, looking extremely

stressed at the beginning of the debate as well. We saw Bill Clinton

and Chelsea Clinton. We have to remember, this is a political drama,

but it is also a personal family drama for both of these families,

and that cannot have been comfortable for either family, for

his kids, for his wife, and for Chelsea Clinton and Bill Clinton

sitting there at having to listen to that. It could have been the moment,

I think, in the debate where the potentially put himself out of

running for the presidency. I didn't think he did. I thought, it was

tense, he managed to make this pivot, whether you agree with it or

not, from Saint it was just locker room talk to Islamic State is the

real issue here, and I suspect certainly a lot of his supporters

will say fair enough, this is over. Well, his supporters, he has a core

base of support that is going to support him no matter what. There

was a poll that came out today that showed that only 9% of Trump

supporters say I feel less favourable towards him as a result.

The challenge for folks who are soft Trump supporters, Republicans who

are in that undecided group, they say I have been Republican my whole

life, I don't think he is very fit to be president. Republican elected

officials, people running for the Senate and the house, it is now

really and play very much as a result of what has been happening

with Trump. I think all of that is going to be altered Trump's

performance and I don't think that was a good answer at all. It wasn't

just that he pivoted, he sounded incoherent. He said it is just what

of those things, things were said, sometimes you hear things like that.