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Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries present a look back at the weekend's Six Nations action. Studio guests are Jonathan Davies, Gwyn Jones, Peter Jackson, Phil Vickery and Sean Holley.


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Late the second weekend of the Six Nations, it Wales and England in

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Cardiff. Wales take an early lead in the Principality Stadium. The Welsh

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defence still holding out, until now. Which way for Webb, left or

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right? Left, on his own. Never trust a scrum-half. He knocks it on. Wales

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scores. And take the lead. Beautiful from Rhys Webb. Wales are showing

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what they can do. Interception by Dan Biggar. And England scorer. It

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has been an outstanding game of rugby. Wales, 16, England 21.

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It was billed as the mother of all showdowns. 80 minutes of rugby, a

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truly epic Test match. The disappointment of defeat. But we

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have a great panel tonight in our green room. Please welcome Jonathan

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Davies. Gwyn Jones. Peter Jackson. And Phil Vickery. And keeping us

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company in the club, we have the ladies from Nelson. And we are full

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to capacity tonight, because we also have the Wales under 20s and the

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Wales women. James Hook is behind the bar. Shall we get the panel in?

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Good evening, gents. Great to have you on board. Phil, this man in the

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England shirt, the two of you are probably the only happy men in the

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studio. It is a lot easier than I thought it would be tonight. For the

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new club, author Test match. It is lovely. Sometimes big games are

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hyped up and off the outcome and what is delivered as underwhelming

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but I was in Cardiff on Friday night, and it was already, "Wales!".

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People say to me, do you wish I still played and I say, no. I

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watched yesterday, what an amazing occasion. Two teams and a lovely

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thing was the confrontation, the physicality, the emotion and

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passion, nothing silly. Two teams that just went for it until the

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final whistle. Obviously delighted for England to get a victory at the

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end but I think it was a lovely atmosphere. We all promote and love

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our game and that, to me, you could bottle back up and put it out there.

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So often on occasions like this, they are hyped up and they do not

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always live up to expectation, but it did yesterday and some. It was a

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great Test match. It was so tough. Everybody gave everything. We knew

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how good England were, but I think Wales played exceptionally

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yesterday. Better than they have done for a long time. It was just a

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pleasure to be there and a pleasure to watch it. Did the right team win?

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Well, no, obviously! But regardless of how we played, to make things

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about it. We beat teams in the autumn, but we sat here largely

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disappointed with the quality of the performance. Although we were

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disappointed that we lost in the end, I don't think anybody thinks

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that is a poor performance. It is so much better than anything we have

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seen. We had pace in the game, we created and threatened and played

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with the passion that we know we can. The other thing about the game,

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I think we might remember it as the emergence of Moriarty in the back

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row. He was just outstanding. And speaking of Moriarty, a clubmate of

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yours, James Hook, at Gloucester. What a shift from the big man. He

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was phenomenal. Boys like that, he was not just tackling them, he was

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knocking them back two or three yards. He has been doing that all

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season for Gloucester. He was the man of the match for me. He was

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outstanding. And on the game itself, I was exhausted watching it. Have

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you got your breath back yet? It was exhausting. We got the bus back this

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morning but it was a great Test match that lived up to the

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expectation. Just gutted we did not get the results. Before a football

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was kicked, we said that mental toughness would see England through.

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It probably did, but what else is why it in their favour? At one stage

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I did not think that winning mentality would see them through.

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Early in the second half, I thought Wales were going to win the game.

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And then I was thinking that if they did, Ross Moriarty had to be a

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serious contender for my man of the match. And then I looked up and Ross

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Moriarty had been taken off. I didn't understand it for the life of

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me then and they do not understand it now, but I sense that from the

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moment he left the field, there was almost a discernible turning of the

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tide as far as England were concerned. They came back strongly.

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I think the game was won and lost not because England necessarily had

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better players on the bench but because they made better use of

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them. Every English substitute, particularly James Haskel, Ben Te'o,

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and Jamie George, make them better. I thought every substitution made

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Wales poorer. And everyone talks about the kicker did not go out but

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was that the reason why? -- the kick that did not go out. The thing that

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was impressive from England was the work rate of the ball. They did not

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always get the ball stolen but it was making people work. Forget about

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the tries, Farrell's pass... A brilliant pass. The whole thing was

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phenomenal and you could not fault the work rate. You have to remember

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that their finishers, starters and finishers, they are quality players.

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They have the strength and depth. Looking at it from the start of the

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match, you would think, right, that bench is going to make a difference.

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Ben Te'o and all that. The Moriarty thing frustrated me because that boy

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has a presence about him. I had never seen him play a bad game. I

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would only have had to make players in my Lions team right now, all in

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Farrell and Ben Te'o and Ross Moriarty. He was just phenomenal. We

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will be talking about all of those things are little later. Shall we

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see some highlights from yesterday? The match, like all matches this

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weekend, started with silence for the man who lost his brave battle

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with motor neurone disease is weak. -- this week. He wore Springbok

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agreement like a second skin. Afrikaans was his mother tongue but

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he was new and different. Strong, fast, and then we can then slowed by

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motor neuron disease. He was brilliance in his pomp and brash. He

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was inspirational in his decline. Juiced and West Houston, a giant in

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his time at dawn way before his time.

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-- Joost van der Westhuizen. He was told he can't make it. England still

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have it. Jonathan Jones goes long. He makes the tackle. And here comes

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Mike Browne. The Welsh defence is still holding out. Until now.

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Cuthbert sets off in pursuit. Dan Biggar is there. Wales arrive. Two

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meters from the line. It is brilliant by Knowle to save the day.

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That was good play by England. Dan Biggar had no option. Alun Wyn Jones

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stretchers. Which way for Rhys Webb. Left or right? Left, on his own.

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Play on. England have won it illegally. Good show. Well done,

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that referee. Can Wales turn pressure into points? Williams can.

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Wales score. And they take the lead. Scott Williams wearers 12 and he is

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the dummy runner. It opens up for Liam Williams. That was a great

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dummy run. Rhys Webb. Evans sends it long. It goes to Jonathan Davies.

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Davies is inside. Courtney Lawes, Davies, two Leigh Halfpenny. Rhys

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Webb. Dan Biggar and Wales showing what they can do. A change of

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direction. Mike Browne. He loses the ball again. The referee has to do

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whistle to his man. But he is not sure. He says he is not sure and

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England are a foot shot. They drive through the forwards. Ian is to go

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digging for it. They have men over on the right. Interception by Dan

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Biggar. Dan Biggar chases down, with Liam Williams inside him. Against

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Davies. Great skill. What a game by Davies. It was all over for Dan

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Biggar and he knew it. Brilliant, brilliant. It is OJ -- Itoje

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delivers. Liam Williams has turned it over. The biggest roar of the day

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as possession goes from England to Wales. Alun Wyn Jones. Wales, in no

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rush but at some stage they will have to clear their lines. Jonathan

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Davies. Straight down the middle of the field, towards George Ford.

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England comeback. Owen Farrell. Elliott Davie Cooper had chances in

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doubt. And he scores. -- Elliott Daly could put chances in doubt. A

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brilliant kick. England, five points ahead. Wales have to score a try.

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England could win this and to get off the park. Danny Care. It has

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been an outstanding game of rugby. They remain unbeaten. England have

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beaten Wales at the Principality Stadium. Wales 16, England 21.

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So ultimately, joy for England and heartbreak for Wales. Let's find out

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what the players and coaches had to say. Did the wrong team when? It was

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an outstanding Test match. The intensity, the application of our

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players for 75 minutes was outstanding. I thought it was a

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great game of test rugby today. A really good contest all round the

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park. A lot of credit has to go to Wales. I thought that the defence

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was superb today. They hit hard and often. They worked hard off the

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ball. Today, it was not enough. We can talk about the defence as much

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as we like but we stopped tackling in the second half. It is a

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difficult loss. I did not think we deserved that result. If we are

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going to beat a team like England, they are doing well at the moment,

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obviously they are on a good run and they have that winning habit. We

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need to be focused and stay calm. We did not do that today. We have now

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become a team that is hard to beat. We are gritty team, with character

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in there, that know how to get beaten. We put them under pressure

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and at times in the second half we felt that we allowed them that

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opportunity to get out of pressure situations, and that is all

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learning. But they are very good rugby team. Wales are playing well

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and you have to give credit to them. That is the best I've them play. It

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was only in the second half that we started to make mistakes and get our

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speed together. In the first half, they had the lawless attack. They

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kept the possession for a long period of time and it was difficult

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to get the ball off them. You say that Wales were flawless in attack.

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Typically differently to how you expected them to play? Not really.

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They're half-back is a handful. He is a strong little hugger. And the

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forwards carried well. Eddie Jones called you a strong little hugger.

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Do you have in response to that? It means the world to me to win their

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jersey. It was a shame that I came off at that six to five minute mark.

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Were you surprised that Ross Moriarty was substituted as early

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because he was causing so many problems? I want to say that I have

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enough to worry about without worrying about Wales substitutions.

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He played 70 minutes last week and I thought the bench had a huge impact

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last week. As I said before the game, it is not number 102 when

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you're playing rugby. It is a sport of 23 and the players are equally

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important coming on and making that impact. We will be harsh on

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ourselves next week because that is a victory that went missing for us

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today, we believe. But we will rest up and recover and then we will go

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again. It has been a fantastic performance, except for the last six

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or seven minutes. It was a tough one, but you take that, you bottle

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it, and we will use it in two weeks' time. We will speak to our panel in

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a few moments but first, Shauna has been analysing the final points of

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that defeat. What have you discovered? So much to be analysed.

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But did England when it ordered Wales lose at? As Eddie Jones said,

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they attacked extremely well. Well marshalled by Rhys Webb and Dan

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Biggar. Take a look at Itoje here. That is the channel they are trying

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to cut to get at George Ford. It was all about getting to him and getting

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at the game line. Even with the ball, they cannot get to George

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Ford. We know that they need to play Moriarty and Tipuric. And look at

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Scott Williams going up against Ford. That is what Wales wanted to

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do and get him across the game line. Now they can attack on the front

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foot. Bigger is in motion and he has taken the ball to the line. The

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England outside backs have to backtrack to get on the front foot

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again. And it manifests itself in this scrum drive. Clifford is out of

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play the cause Rhys Webb gets to be the ten. George Ford is looking for

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defenders on either side of them. He is. It isolated is a great run for

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Williams, out of nowhere. Joe Simmonds attracted by the outside

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movement and Liam Williams does the best. Wales spend a lot of time on

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their 22 and will be questions asked about some of the decisions to take

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the set piece. They lost this Scrum V metres out and an opportunity from

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the line-out went awry. In this particular set of phases, Alan win

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was not executing. They are found wanting. Did they have a plan to

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score once they were in the 22? On this passage, they spent two minutes

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and 20 seconds in the 22. But I will ask, should James Haskell had been

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given a yellow card here? Was it a turning point? Ultimately, the

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difference in the tactics in the kicking game was a difference.

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England, when they are under pressure, they are intent on kicking

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off the field. Two points behind with nine minutes to go and Wales

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were hell-bent on keeping the ball on the field. Even under pressure,

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Dan Biggar kicks the ball in the field, inviting players like Mike

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Brown to counterattack. With Wales under pressure, they have kickers in

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place. Leigh Halfpenny gets there and it goes to Jonathan Davies. The

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kick is on the field. England, chasing a win. Fantastic play from

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Farrell. Does Jamie Roberts need to dive in and connect with Cuthbert?

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Daily does the rest. -- Daly does the rest. Did England when it or did

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Wales lose at? They put us under pressure, but I think we're just not

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confident enough to win those type of matches at the moment. We are not

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playing with the composure that we needed at the end. They are good

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side, and we played well for long periods but we made some crucial

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mistakes under pressure. We had a conversation on this sofa far two

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years ago, saying that Wales did not play, Priestland, Dan Biggar, Plan

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A, Plan B. Outside, looking in, I know that England won but from

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outside, looking in, the intent yesterday, and the ambition, OK it

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did not manifest itself in a win but that was a Welsh team where I can

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see a massive transition. That is the difference. They played

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differently, and the execution of those two passes that broke Daly on

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the outside, there was enough time on the 22. To win Test matches, if

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you have that much possession and that much time, they have to be

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clinical and they have to score tries. That is the difference. I

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think that we are trying to change it. The set piece was brilliant, and

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a fantastic try. We need to try something differently because I

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think that England have looked more confident with the ball in hand than

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we did. I think we needed to take a breath and say, right, look at how

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we can attack. We have to score in those situations to beat the top

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three sides in the world. That is the difference. We are trying it, we

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are playing differently, rather than rapid, rapid, rapid, but that is the

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crucial missing element, the attacking and the creativity. There

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are couple of things. We have turned down five opportunity points in the

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championship so far and we have got nothing back for any of. As Rob

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says, let the players make a decision on the field, well, they

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are making the wrong decision. Let's take points when they are on offer

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in a close game like that. The second thing that Sean alluded to,

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we have had more than 30 phases of play in the last two games between

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the five metre line and the try line in attack and we have not put three

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passes together. I think back to Australia in the World Cup with 13

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men, and against Italy, they were just waiting for us. And England

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again, when Itoje was on the touchline, five metres out within

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five phases they had put three long passes on the other side of the

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pitch and scored a try. We are talking about small things now

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because we have made a huge step forward, but these are the things

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that will take us to the next level. If you look back at the 28th minute

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or the 31st minute, you could say that Wales lost the game. Admittedly

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it is to be wise after the event but you did not need to be to work out

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that in a tight game, you kick goals. It is one thing turning it

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down against Italy, a different matter turning it down against

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England. If you look at the scrum penalty, Wales got penalised and

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they lost it. Potentially six points had gone down the drain. With new

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management, you have to understand... We all have degrees in

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hindsight. The differences that you had your head down and your cars

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out. The decision-makers are on the pitch. When you are under the cosh,

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you have to look down and say, it is our fault. You put it in the stands

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and then you regroup from first phase. OK, you have to plan to kick,

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leave it in play, but three of your forwards have done four or five

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tackles, smashed in rucks, and all of a sudden you have to say, hang

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on, we need a breather. We need a breather, well yet into the stand

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and regroup. He walked slowly to the line-out and then you reorganise

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from first phase. That turnover from Williams, if we had cleared it, we

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would have been under intense pressure. Everyone congregated to

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the ball. There was no one out wide. That had to go to the stand. I take

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it from the question that Sean asked, you think that Wales lost it.

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Phil, I think we are feeling, as the lads alluded to, proud of the way

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the team seems to be evolving. But for you guys, are you feeling

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relieved, or have you used up all of the get out of jail card is? One

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thing about Eddie Jones, he is brilliant at organising the England

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team. The first game, they look tired, that is my responsibility,

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can I prepare them better? They did looked jaded against France.

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Everybody seems to write off the French team but they were not

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exactly a bad team. It was a good Test match. The menu yesterday, I

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think the challenge is for England, on the unbeaten run, less than 18

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months ago it was doom and gloom. The world is going to end, and then

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suddenly an unbeaten Grand Slam, unbeaten summer tour and then the

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autumn series whitewash, going into the Six Nations, with the Lions tour

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coming up, coming into Cardiff, what is going to go wrong? Everyone wants

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to beat England at the best of times, let alone when they are on a

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magnificent run. A lot of it is the mental side of it. There are things

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which happened at the weekend for me, things that you talk about like

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decision-making. Owen Farrell, asking the referee how much time was

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left with 15 minutes left to go. England were calm. Injuries did not

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matter. Guys came in and stepped up. Owen Farrell was just immense. All

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day long. But so was Joe Launchbury and Nathan Hughes. I thought he

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stepped up to the plate. But we have not talked about Dan Cole, and the

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scrummage. I thought the scrummage went well with Joe Marler. That was

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fantastic. All of the simple things. And Itoje, he is the most of

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athlete. I stood next to him last week and he scared me. You mention

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that, but I'm sure is scared of Ross Moriarty, because he cut him in

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half. But him and Nathan Hughes, they both have the full brunt of

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Moriarty's tackle, and we mention of the top on his sword to his salt

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attrition mystified many. Talk to me about his contribution yesterday. He

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has evolved into a genuine test animal. He is an old-fashioned sex.

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A lot of these back rows are hybrid sixes and sevens. -- and old

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fashioned six. He would've gone mental if that had been an

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Englishman. What he does for us, he might not be in the game all the

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time but he has big contributions that change momentum. He inspires

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the team, getting the crowd in the team and changing the flow of the

:27:20.:27:22.

match. We were all utterly confused as to why he was taken off

:27:23.:27:26.

yesterday. Clearly, it was preplanned. They wanted Falatau on

:27:27.:27:31.

even earlier. He has just made to enormous tackles, with a good run.

:27:32.:27:38.

But hang on... He may not have another period in his career where

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he is playing against England and smashing them. He has been taking

:27:43.:27:47.

off. And you can see the frustration. Because it was Falatau.

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I think that is the reason why. We know is quality and what he will

:27:52.:27:55.

bring. At the end of the game, with all of that experience, he is just

:27:56.:28:02.

phenomenal. But should you make that decision according to what you're

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seeing? It is a telling point. I cannot believe that it is

:28:07.:28:11.

preplanned. As a coach, you react to the game as it is unfolding in front

:28:12.:28:15.

of you. Surely you do not take off a player who is hurting England every

:28:16.:28:20.

which way, literally and figurative leap, and has got wheels on the

:28:21.:28:24.

front foot? England could not believe their luck. Also, we all

:28:25.:28:28.

know that Falatau is an outstanding number eight. But he has not played

:28:29.:28:31.

since Christmas Eve so you replace arguably the most dynamic player

:28:32.:28:38.

with somebody who has not played? But Falatau is world-class.

:28:39.:28:41.

Absolutely world-class. If you are going to bring on anyone, you bring

:28:42.:28:46.

him on. We had to pick man of the match yesterday, when he got taken

:28:47.:28:50.

off we said, he is the man of the match. He was clearly the man of the

:28:51.:28:53.

match. Irrespective of whether it was planned or not, we don't know.

:28:54.:29:06.

It is all about the data. But for me, irrespective of the plans, you

:29:07.:29:12.

do not take your best player off. And not only that, you look at the

:29:13.:29:18.

work that Scott Williams did defensively. He was brilliant in

:29:19.:29:22.

defence, and then they lost the momentum. Rhys Webb also, he was

:29:23.:29:30.

controlling the game. Eddie Jones, when he brought on the finishers,

:29:31.:29:35.

they did not seem to struggle. The energy levels, they did rise and if

:29:36.:29:39.

you had to be critical of the Welsh team, it felt like when the

:29:40.:29:42.

replacements came on it became more disjointed. It robs them of their

:29:43.:29:48.

rhythm. That is it in microcosm. You agree that it was won or lost off

:29:49.:29:52.

the pitch? I wouldn't say it was won or lost. They played with such

:29:53.:29:59.

intensity, I do not think you could be expected to play for that long.

:30:00.:30:03.

When England brought on fresh legs, we had to bring on replacements and

:30:04.:30:07.

our replacements are not as good. But they didn't miss a trick when

:30:08.:30:11.

substitutions were taken. They brought on one after 52 minutes,

:30:12.:30:16.

nearly half an hour left to play. We agree with that. I am not saying

:30:17.:30:20.

that, but you have to make some substitutions as the game goes on.

:30:21.:30:24.

When you make them is the key decision. And that is what we

:30:25.:30:27.

probably got wrong yesterday. The only substitute left on the bench

:30:28.:30:31.

was Sam Davies and nobody is asking why he was not brought on, because

:30:32.:30:35.

Dan Biggar had such a good game. He answered his critics.

:30:36.:30:41.

He had a brilliant game. He was for man of the match, but you know what

:30:42.:30:49.

he brings, 100% all the time, carrying it to George Ford, his

:30:50.:30:54.

defence is incredible, right? His reading of the intercepts saved a

:30:55.:30:58.

couple of tries. If you are picking down you know what you get, he will

:30:59.:31:04.

never ever let you down. He is not the creative elements some day this

:31:05.:31:09.

has got, so that again is selection and what you want to bring to the

:31:10.:31:16.

game. Maybe it wouldn't have been fair to throw him on yesterday

:31:17.:31:20.

because Wales were under the cosh. If we were in the ascendancy and

:31:21.:31:24.

ball carrying with the momentum, that's when you throw him on. He

:31:25.:31:28.

made a difference in Italy, I know they were dreadful but he made a

:31:29.:31:32.

difference because he spots people, and that is a different player. He

:31:33.:31:37.

is a tremendous talent. It perhaps would have been wrong to bring him

:31:38.:31:41.

on yesterday because if it had gone wrong he was the person who didn't

:31:42.:31:45.

quite make touch, and he would have been thrown under the bus. He is a

:31:46.:31:50.

tremendous talent to have and it's exciting for Welsh rugby to see that

:31:51.:31:54.

coming through. I want to stick on the topic of Dan Biggar because we

:31:55.:31:58.

will now to speak to one who has won the Welsh number ten jersey with

:31:59.:32:13.

pride and a fair bit of pressure no doubt. Let's chat about your mate,

:32:14.:32:17.

Dan, he was phenomenal yesterday. He was outstanding. If you look at the

:32:18.:32:20.

pressure he was under, whether Sam Davies would start, he has answered

:32:21.:32:22.

his critics. I thought the interception would be the turning

:32:23.:32:25.

point of the game but we lost the line-out. In attack you know what

:32:26.:32:27.

you get with him. His hands were crisper yesterday, bringing Scott

:32:28.:32:29.

Williams into the game. I thought he was outstanding and you have two

:32:30.:32:33.

quality tends now competing for the shirt. On the sofa we Act like we

:32:34.:32:38.

are surprised with Moriarty's performance but he was your

:32:39.:32:42.

team-mate and we see that week in week out. He has been outstanding

:32:43.:32:46.

all year for Gloucester and he just needed his opportunity. We have a

:32:47.:32:51.

dilemma now, four into three don't go so it is a big call for the next

:32:52.:32:55.

game, interesting to see how he goes. Have you spoken to any of the

:32:56.:33:01.

boys? I have textured a few of them. They are all gutted -- sent a few

:33:02.:33:08.

of. They review the video and see how close they were to beating a

:33:09.:33:13.

quality England team. A lot of confidence to take into Scotland and

:33:14.:33:16.

hopefully we can build on it and go forward. We will chat more later.

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APPLAUSE. I don't think I have ever seen the

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press room at the stadium as busy as yesterday, it was a genuine who's

:33:31.:33:34.

crew of former international superstars and we caught up with a

:33:35.:33:40.

fair few to get their verdict. I thought it was a fantastic

:33:41.:33:43.

performance, probably one of the best I have seen from Wales for a

:33:44.:33:48.

number of years, two or three notches higher. To me it was

:33:49.:33:52.

reminiscent of the way we played in the World Cup when we had that never

:33:53.:33:56.

say die attitude. We ask questions of them that haven't been asked in

:33:57.:34:04.

the last 15 games. Let's face it, it was in Wales's hands, they were

:34:05.:34:10.

fantastic 478 minutes. It looks as if Wales were trying to play with

:34:11.:34:15.

more intent and free spirit, to create things get the ball wide or

:34:16.:34:19.

change direction and just make things happen. They gave everything.

:34:20.:34:24.

The conditions out there who are immense. It was so close and a great

:34:25.:34:29.

opportunity to beat them. It must have been disappointing for Moriarty

:34:30.:34:34.

to be taken off at the time he was. Obviously it was a preplanned move,

:34:35.:34:38.

but you could have left him on, they were playing so well at the time.

:34:39.:34:54.

Moriarty has grown into an international player. I thought that

:34:55.:34:57.

was one of the turning points, Nathan Hughes in his pocket most of

:34:58.:35:00.

the game and maybe unlucky to come at that point. England will be

:35:01.:35:02.

battered and bruised this morning but if they go on to do things that

:35:03.:35:05.

the World Cup they now have to win those big games away from home. I

:35:06.:35:08.

thought the scrum wasn't as strong as spares, and the line-out we lost,

:35:09.:35:11.

we lost composure, when Dan Biggar had the interception. They have been

:35:12.:35:15.

a bit more creative this year, the Pratt platform, the scrum, the

:35:16.:35:19.

line-out was good but it is always disappointed when you play against

:35:20.:35:24.

England and lose. To win a game like that with a mistake, Jonathan Davies

:35:25.:35:28.

missing that touch, I just feel for them. That ball needed to go off the

:35:29.:35:34.

field. Get it off the field and rebuild. It came off the boot wrong

:35:35.:35:38.

way and England were clinical. They did really well to have that

:35:39.:35:43.

attacking option but certainly that ball goes into touch, we hold on for

:35:44.:35:46.

the win. Alex Cuthbert couldn't quite get there. We question most

:35:47.:35:55.

defensive mishaps but you have to applaud him and say well done for

:35:56.:35:58.

getting there. There are other things you can take heart from. In

:35:59.:36:03.

that respect it looks as if we are going in the right direction. At

:36:04.:36:09.

long last! I'm going to come to you, Phil, on

:36:10.:36:14.

the set piece. There were positives but we missed a few crucial

:36:15.:36:18.

line-outs and scrums. What was your assessment on the battle up front. I

:36:19.:36:22.

thought it was pretty good, the line-out perhaps suffered at the end

:36:23.:36:25.

more when there was a communication issue and changes but I was more

:36:26.:36:28.

impressed with England particularly at scrummage time because they

:36:29.:36:33.

hadn't been scrummaging particularly well but Dan Cole and Joe Marler did

:36:34.:36:39.

a great job. Look at the second rows, Launchbury, it is heavyweight.

:36:40.:36:48.

In that sense they have been pleased because when you come to a bare

:36:49.:36:52.

pitch like card if you need to do your basics. You talk about the

:36:53.:36:57.

tries and the fancy stuff -- bearpit like Cardiff. Driving line-out play

:36:58.:37:02.

from England was good as well. Always felt in control. I never felt

:37:03.:37:05.

nervous at home watching it so credit to the guys for that. One

:37:06.:37:13.

area Wales has undoubted supremacy was the breakdown, eight turnovers

:37:14.:37:18.

against two. England's back row despite being good individuals were

:37:19.:37:22.

inexperienced at test level. There were no jackals yesterday because

:37:23.:37:25.

the referee allowed them to hold the ball on the floor so it was more

:37:26.:37:29.

ripping the ball and the team did that well. Warburton pinched to

:37:30.:37:37.

tackle area -- a tackle area. I think more it was the confrontation.

:37:38.:37:41.

We were passive when they were good and then they we had that 15 minutes

:37:42.:37:49.

of supremacy. We soaked it up then once we stood our ground and started

:37:50.:37:53.

hitting them back that's when we were good. The back row debate will

:37:54.:38:00.

be interesting. The best player so far, probably Moriarty, the

:38:01.:38:03.

second-best, Warburton, then it becomes a decision between Fala

:38:04.:38:09.

Tawau or Tipuric, Tipuric, man of the match against South Africa,

:38:10.:38:15.

played very well this year. In the physical games I am sure he has

:38:16.:38:20.

physicality to impact the game often enough early on, and perhaps he is a

:38:21.:38:26.

bench player in those games. That question now is, shall we play the

:38:27.:38:30.

two sevens, six and seven, that is gone. Moriarty six, Faletau is seven

:38:31.:38:38.

or eight, then he has to make a call on the two sevens. Simple as that,

:38:39.:38:43.

the balance is better, Moriarty, Faletau and that is job, he makes a

:38:44.:38:48.

call. Let's discuss this in more depth as we look ahead to the next

:38:49.:38:53.

game, team selection for that. The men's team as discussed didn't get

:38:54.:38:56.

over the line against England despite the valiant effort. Let's

:38:57.:38:59.

find out how the under 20s and women's team got on as well.

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COMMENTATOR: They have had a lot of success with the kicking game.

:39:06.:39:14.

Lovely kick over the top, Jones collect fund scores. That is a great

:39:15.:39:21.

try from Wales. -- collect and scores. Good hands again by Butler

:39:22.:39:26.

clearing away from the tackle, getting the ball away. Mercer with a

:39:27.:39:33.

straight drive once again. Penalty given away by Wales. Then quickly

:39:34.:39:40.

taken by Randall, and they don't need advantage because Harry

:39:41.:39:45.

Randall, the former Wales under 16 captain, as England's first try.

:39:46.:39:51.

England are full of running now, lovely ball to Mercer once again, it

:39:52.:40:03.

gets the past. Bounces off tacklers. England have picked up the pace,

:40:04.:40:06.

plenty of men going left, need to carry on the same way. Mullis gets

:40:07.:40:24.

it away. The try comes to England. Mercer slips it. He is still going,

:40:25.:40:29.

Mercer, all the way to the corner, pop it back inside to Bayliss! On

:40:30.:40:37.

the try line. This could be the killer blow for England. Mercer

:40:38.:40:40.

spins, reaches, and makes it! , COMMENTATOR: England looking to

:40:41.:40:56.

create space in midfield, they could have an overlap, Waterman has Wilson

:40:57.:41:02.

- Hardy outside her, Wilson Hardy is in, and has scored the first try,

:41:03.:41:16.

third minute. Maclean and Hand combining yet again, Waterman has

:41:17.:41:20.

Wilson- hardy outside her going for the corner, and using strength as

:41:21.:41:25.

well, but just repulsed a couple of metres out, the try therefore

:41:26.:41:31.

Danielle Waterman in the corner. Scott picks it up, still there, out

:41:32.:41:41.

to Maclean, she has a Amy Wilson Hardy with a run for her second try.

:41:42.:41:45.

Hunter brought down a couple of metres out. Can England get it wide

:41:46.:41:54.

yet again? Maclean, out to Lydia Thompson, and that will be the

:41:55.:41:58.

Worcester winger's hat-trick. Final score here than at Cardiff Arms

:41:59.:42:07.

Park, Wales 0- 63 England. So a bitter pill to swallow for the

:42:08.:42:10.

Wales winning team but they have fronted up tonight and are in the

:42:11.:42:14.

house with Sean Holley. I have members of the 20s and the

:42:15.:42:18.

women with me here, I commentated on both games, a tough day at the

:42:19.:42:24.

office, and you are facing a professional outfit on fire on the

:42:25.:42:29.

day. Yes, credit to England, they are professional and are also world

:42:30.:42:33.

champions and played that way yesterday. They were outstanding. We

:42:34.:42:37.

are disappointed with how we played and our performance but also credit

:42:38.:42:40.

to the crowd, we had a great crowd and they kept us going till the end.

:42:41.:42:47.

Good occasion, Sian, a lot of experience, in the England side,

:42:48.:42:51.

what will you learn? Loads of experience from England, current

:42:52.:42:54.

world champions with Olympians in there. Lots of experience. We came

:42:55.:43:00.

second place in a lot of little battles which led to that result. We

:43:01.:43:05.

will regroup and bounce back, and a lot of wrong is to put right so we

:43:06.:43:08.

are looking forward to the next game. Scotland next, Rowland

:43:09.:43:13.

Phillips has his hands full, what can we expect? We said after the

:43:14.:43:17.

game we will not let one game define us and we will definitely pull

:43:18.:43:22.

together. We are a really tight family, and going out to Scotland

:43:23.:43:25.

will be tough because they are pretty decent this year, they are a

:43:26.:43:37.

good team, but we will remain confident in our ability. Good luck

:43:38.:43:39.

in Scotland, over as the 20s, Calum Bradbury and Shane Lewis Hughes.

:43:40.:43:42.

Great atmosphere, big crowd and for a large amount of time you put

:43:43.:43:45.

England under pressure. We are at standing at the beginning putting

:43:46.:43:49.

the boys under big tackles, but we let ourselves down and conceded

:43:50.:43:53.

three tries. We will bounce back and are looking forward to the next

:43:54.:43:58.

game. It is a young squad against an experienced England side, what is

:43:59.:44:02.

the feeling like in the camp? We are a young squad but very keen to learn

:44:03.:44:06.

as individuals and team, and playing a team like England, it is a good

:44:07.:44:14.

experience for us boys to take on, playing with such a packed crowd. It

:44:15.:44:18.

is great but as you said it is a long way to go in the championship,

:44:19.:44:23.

so still early days. Good luck to everybody for the next game, back to

:44:24.:44:27.

you, Sarra. APPLAUSE.

:44:28.:44:33.

I think it is worth mentioning that it may be 3-0 to England this

:44:34.:44:43.

weekend, but two weeks ago Wales's deaf teen beat England 23-12 at

:44:44.:44:49.

Sardis Road, so we have one. Well done. Shall we have some Pro12

:44:50.:44:55.

action? Billy continued this weekend, all four Welsh regions

:44:56.:45:01.

taking part and here are the highlights.

:45:02.:45:05.

The Scarlets leapfrog Glasgow into fourth place with an impressive

:45:06.:45:10.

victory. Despite the home side going headfirst the visitors fought back,

:45:11.:45:14.

Tom Williams with the first of two tries. The second soon followed for

:45:15.:45:18.

James Davies who proved the rock in defence.

:45:19.:45:27.

Pro12 leaders Munster made it 14 wins in 15 games with a bonus point

:45:28.:45:33.

victory over the Dragons in Cork. The men from Quins didn't help

:45:34.:45:38.

themselves with this try. Conway gathers, the bounce is kind, and

:45:39.:45:43.

Andrew Conway scores Munster's second try. It was the home team who

:45:44.:45:49.

dominated proceedings. Rhona Nemani cutting through the Dragons defence

:45:50.:45:55.

for Munster's sixth try and 45-17 victory. He in under the posts for

:45:56.:46:01.

try number six and it is emphatic from Munster.

:46:02.:46:08.

The Ospreys, currently second, ran in six tries against bottom of the

:46:09.:46:17.

table Zebre despite being behind at half-time. This was Dan Evans's

:46:18.:46:22.

first try. His second as he breezed their nonexistent Italian defence.

:46:23.:46:30.

-- breezed through. His hat-trick came after Luke Price pass. The

:46:31.:46:35.

final score in Italy, a convincing 40-10 win.

:46:36.:46:44.

Connacht came from behind to beat Cardiff Blues at the Arms Park to

:46:45.:46:47.

complete the league double over the Welsh region. It was the home side

:46:48.:46:52.

that got the early lead, Nick Williams with his second try for the

:46:53.:46:55.

region despite the decision going to the TMO. Matt Healy then took his

:46:56.:47:04.

opportunity for the visitors just before half-time to close the gap,

:47:05.:47:11.

having been left alone on the wing. In the dying minutes of the game,

:47:12.:47:15.

Connacht had their opportunities to seal the win, but it was left to man

:47:16.:47:20.

of the match I Halloran to secure the drop goal, although there was a

:47:21.:47:24.

late penalty for the visitors as well. 19-13 the final score.

:47:25.:47:30.

So here is the Pro12 table after 14 rounds of action. Munster remain top

:47:31.:47:37.

of the pile following the big victory over the Dragons, the

:47:38.:47:42.

Ospreys hot on their heels. Important as well, Scarlets leapfrog

:47:43.:47:46.

Glasgow into fourth place, back into the play-offs, the Blues seven

:47:47.:47:49.

despite the last-minute defeat to Connacht and the Dragons in tenth.

:47:50.:47:56.

Back to Six Nations, and narrow win for France against Scotland in Paris

:47:57.:48:00.

earlier this afternoon, so let's have a look at how the Six Nations

:48:01.:48:05.

table looks after two rounds. Wales have dropped from top down to third

:48:06.:48:10.

after the defeat, France moved to four, Scotland slipped to fifth, all

:48:11.:48:14.

three teams on five points though, Ireland after their impressive

:48:15.:48:18.

display in Rome go from this up to second and reigning champions

:48:19.:48:24.

England top on eight points. One man who will be devastated by that

:48:25.:48:28.

result in Paris this afternoon is former Scotland scrum-half Andy

:48:29.:48:32.

Nichol, watching the game from Paris studio, and sent us his thoughts on

:48:33.:48:36.

the final whistle-stop yellow Scotland can continue their

:48:37.:48:42.

victorious start the RBS Six Nations after an attritional physical battle

:48:43.:48:47.

in Paris. It was a huge French pack that dominated possession and field

:48:48.:48:53.

position. Scotland showed great bravery and courage in defence but

:48:54.:48:56.

couldn't stop the juggernaut that was the French team here. A good try

:48:57.:49:00.

in the first for Scotland with Stuart Hogg again with his dazzling

:49:01.:49:04.

feat many faces, then in the second a good bounce to the ball for Tommy

:49:05.:49:08.

Seymour to set up Tim Swinson, but other than that they couldn't get a

:49:09.:49:13.

foothold in the game just because of the physicality. Many injuries as

:49:14.:49:19.

well, Greg Laidlaw off injured, John Barclay, John Barclay, John Hartley,

:49:20.:49:29.

so in two weeks it will be Murrayfield. Wheels come off the

:49:30.:49:31.

defeat to England at home, Scotland come off the defeat in Paris, but it

:49:32.:49:34.

is always a great game when the Welsh come to Merrifield and I am

:49:35.:49:37.

looking forward to it immensely already. Fighting talk at the end.

:49:38.:49:39.

He was still smiling but ultimately Scotland's 18 year wait for a win in

:49:40.:49:43.

Paris goes on, and as he mentioned they were outmuscled by that

:49:44.:49:47.

enormous French pack. Some things never change. They were smart in the

:49:48.:49:50.

way they beat Ireland and at one stage I thought that would continue

:49:51.:49:55.

today. Controversial decision in this game, disallowing a try, what

:49:56.:50:00.

is downward pressure, what isn't, I thought the try was good but it

:50:01.:50:03.

wasn't given so probably on this occasion the best team won, but

:50:04.:50:08.

Scotland- Ireland I thought was a great game, probably superseded in

:50:09.:50:11.

terms of intensity by what England and Wales did yesterday, and I think

:50:12.:50:15.

Scotland- Wales in two weeks will be another humdinger. What are we

:50:16.:50:20.

making of this French side? You feel what the French need is continuity

:50:21.:50:23.

in performance, and they seem to be getting that now. They have identity

:50:24.:50:28.

back, the frustration of the French of recent years has been what are

:50:29.:50:33.

they? The scrum is not great, they can't keep looking back but the

:50:34.:50:38.

thing at the moment you can see if the embryonic stages of almost a

:50:39.:50:44.

classic French team, big, powerful men running hard, aggressive ball

:50:45.:50:48.

carrying, off-load, pace out wide, it is not particularly well groomed

:50:49.:50:53.

all strategic, it looks chaotic, but you get excited when you watch the

:50:54.:50:57.

French team. That is important because I feel they lost their

:50:58.:51:01.

identity. The other game at the weekend, Italy- Ireland in Rome,

:51:02.:51:07.

63-10, an absolute spanking, Ireland so furious after losing to Scotland

:51:08.:51:11.

they would always take it out on the Italians, wouldn't they? They were.

:51:12.:51:16.

We know Ireland are a good side. Probably put into context how good

:51:17.:51:20.

Italy are as well. When you move them around to play with pace they

:51:21.:51:27.

cannot cope with it. Conor O'Shea has an enormous job and it brings

:51:28.:51:29.

into question whether Italy should play with Georgia to be in the Six

:51:30.:51:33.

Nations, and the longer it continues to be totally one-sided, the fate of

:51:34.:51:38.

Italian Rugby hands in the balance. That is an interesting point, the

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relegation. I have strong views on this, I personally think us of the

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game, Six Nations, whoever is in charge, someone somewhere with a

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suit on, we have a responsibility with Italy to make things better and

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help them, it is not just about writing cheques. We have gone

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through two cycles of players now and are Italy's players better than

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when they started? The answer is they are not so what are we doing is

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going to help them? Italy were as bad yesterday as they have been at

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any stage and when this man was in the England team and they were

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winning by 80 they were not competitive, missed 37 tackles which

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I think is more than England, Wales and Ireland missed between them. How

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long do you give Italy? In Georgia, they are saying, how much more do we

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have to do to get in? Promotion and relegation has to come sooner rather

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than later but it should be loaded in favour of the Six Nations team.

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If Wales or Scotland have a bad team -- season they should have the home

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advantage, so if you don't win that you have no excuse to say they're

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not good enough to continue. Let's look ahead to Scotland - Wales. I

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will come back to you in a moment, Quinn, about the front row

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configurations. You mentioned your concern about the continued lack of

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creativity, Jonathan. The reconfigure the field or the

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half-backs partnership? Scott Williams was brilliant yesterday and

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Jonathan Davies had one of his better games for Wales, he hasn't

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played well for the region but he had a very good game yesterday. They

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have improved. The question is, how can you work the 10-12 axis. The

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only way is maybe picking a ten in 12 positions. You have Owain Fon

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Williams, maybe Dan Biggar there because he is big enough to play on

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the 12 position. That is the only thing. We just need the composure

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and the creativity to get over the line. Would you do that for

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Scotland? It is difficult, where do you start Sam, it is still very

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difficult with Scotland- Ireland and France coming up -- Scotland,

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Ireland and France, big matches. It is a tough call. Unless I am in the

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training camp I don't know if I would do it. Look at the England

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scenario before the game yesterday, Jack Leopard coming in, you don't

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get a bigger game than Wales away, should he or shouldn't he play --

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Jack Clifford. We didn't mention his name but it was his big game. My

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point is that some point if Wales are to change players... I think

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they needed 10-12, whether Scott Williams or Dan Biggar, Owen

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Williams and Sam Davies. Unfortunately training that is the

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one element that is missing and the important one to get over the try

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line. We were a huge step forward yesterday in terms of being

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generally more of a threat. I wouldn't change too much after that,

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I take your point we need to score more tries. In the 10-12 stuff, I

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wouldn't be surprised if England move Fallon into ten. I used to

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watch Ti'o play in Australia, he is brilliant, but they have had

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Tuilagi, had they had him, maybe they wouldn't have fallen on Ford

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because he is a big fan of him. He is familiar with the Australian way

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of playing. Eddie George likes the footballing commendation. Scott

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Williams has been the most creative world centre for about four years

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now and again he was taken off, would presumably be able to keep

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going, though what scares me is the fee -- about the future is the

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paucity of alternatives. Rout Rob Howley picked seven or eight

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uncapped players and I thought none would feature in the Six Nations,

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and you'd think, is that window dressing? I think... I will not

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blame Cuthbert, he was taken out by the perfection of Farrell's pass, so

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I will not criticise Alex but I would have picked Evans yesterday.

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In the full-back position, I know they picked Halfpenny because of the

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defensive qualities and the running. OK, so when we defend, put Leigh

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Halfpenny at full-back, when we attack, swap smoker, we did with

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Paul Thorburn and Adrian Evans so it is not difficult, is it? What

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worries you most about this Scotland site? Fin wrestle a couple of weeks

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ago was talking about the feed Vern Cotter gives them to play. That is

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presumably a daunting prospect. Scotland have always competed up

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front, always. They kicked their goals. The one thing lacking for

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over a decade is the cutting edge behind. Now they have that. That is

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a problem. They will score tries, with Finn wrestle and Stuart Hogg,

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they will create things. That means we will have to score as well to

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beat them. That is the problem, they have confidence from the Glasgow

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side, creativity, freedom given by Townsend and Cotter, so they will

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look at Wales and say, we will win. Gents, we have to leave it there,

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thank you for your time. Jonathan Davies everyone, Gwyn Jones, Peter

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dextran and Phil Nicholls. APPLAUSE. Thanks to be under 20s, the women

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and Sean Holley, that's all we have time for this evening I am afraid

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that if you want more there is a Facebook Live after the programme

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with James Hook and Sean Holley. An epic weekend, a titanic tussle in

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Cardiff, a humdinger of a game, Wales had to settle per second best

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this time. We will see you next week.

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CHEERING. APPLAUSE. It's amazing how many people

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still remember him as "David Parry-Jones,

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the voice of rugby in Wales." If I wasn't here,

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of course he'd be in a care home. And, really,

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I can't see him in a care home. Beti George asks if more can be done

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for couples like them. There really needs to be

:59:14.:59:20.

a revolution in dementia care.

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Jonathan Davies, Gwyn Jones, Peter Jackson, Phil Vickery and Sean Holley look back at Wales v England and the rest of the weekend's action.

Presented by Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries.