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Tonight's headlines: Claims Welsh patients' lives will be at risk

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if an A department in England is moved further away

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To get to ruse breeze fight and enough. To think you have to go

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further 20 minutes the road to Telford to get emergency treatment

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is terrifying. This man slit his throat in the dock

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at Haverfordwest Magistrates Court while being sentenced

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for a sexual assault. Lukasz Robert Pawlowski was flown

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to Morriston Hospital by air ambulance where he remains

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in a serious condition. Almost 12 years since the 7/7

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bombings, an injured man from Newbridge criticises how long

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it's taking to deal Good evening.

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In tonight's sport: Sam Warburton's time as captain

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looks like it's over. Alun Wyn Jones is expected

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to take over next week. And there's some wintry

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weather on the way. Snow for some parts too

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with Met Office warnings in force. Welsh lives could be put at risk

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if an Accident and Emergency department is relocated

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from Shrewsbury in Shropshire to Telford, which is further away

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from the Welsh border. That's according to the MP

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for Montgomeryshire, Glyn Davies. He'll be part of debate

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in Westminster shortly For many people living

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in parts of mid Wales, it's quicker to travel England

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than to get to A in Wales. It takes around 45 minutes to travel

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from Newtown to the nearest A But if that was moved to Telford

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that journey would be This son has epilepsy. Even though

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it's a 45 minutes away that is not a new department for her in Wales.

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Like many others in this area she has to travel over the border.

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During Joshua's childhood she made many a journey in love. It is

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terrifying because as you leave the area you are frightened for his life

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and what's going to happen. You start counting down the miles and

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trying to work out where you were on the road. It's very frightening

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especially if it's dark and it feels even more frightening. Joy believed

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in the event of an actual emergency time at a critical factor and people

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could die on the road trying to reach the A department and

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Telford. I headed out of Newtown to see how long the journey would take.

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I have driven past Welsh bull so I'm currently around 17 miles from

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Stroessner in. It is all single track road so it's a slow journey

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but if the accident and emergency department was moved to Telford my

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sat nav tells me I'd have 34 minute -- mile journey before getting to

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Telford so it would effectively double the distance. The two main

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hospitals in Shropshire service around 400,000 people and they have

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been problems recruiting consultants so and NHS England plans it has to

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be the organised. The trust says when emergency department with that

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specialist consultants in place improving patient care. But a

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recommendation to downgrade AMD services and Telford in favour of

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one emergency department intros bleak was rejected by the

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commissioning group for the area last month. This evening debate will

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be held in Westminster on the future of AMD services for structure and

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Wales. If somebody has an accident or require less threatening

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conditions, it might be a stroke or heart attack, over an hour when it

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doesn't need to be, if you in a position and there is nothing else

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you can do when that happens but to not accept a position when you can

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improve it and make it less likely that people will be dying as a

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result I just think that is a responsibility on politicians to do

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that. A final decision will be made at the earliest in the summer and a

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full public consultation will be carried out in the coming months.

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And we'll have the latest from that debate in the House

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of Commons in our bulletin after the 10:00pm news.

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A man is in a serious condition at Morriston Hospital

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after cutting his own throat in the dock at Haverfordwest

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Lukasz Robert Pawlowski was waiting to be sentenced for a sexual assault

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Our reporter David Grundy is outside the court.

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Lukasz Robert Pawlowski was appearing here today. They were

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sentencing him for a sex attacker carried out last year. He is

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originally from Poland but now lives in Pembroke Dock had asked to leave

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to use the toilet but on his return to court he slashed his throat

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leaving other people in the court shocked.

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33-year-old Lukasz Robert Pawlowski had admitted grabbing and trying

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to kiss a shop assistant back in October.

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Sitting in the dock for his sentencing, he was read his

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She said the incident had left her feeling dirty

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and vulnerable in work and that she's no longer able to work nights.

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A witness in court this morning said Pawlowski went to the bathroom,

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and not long after returning, began making several

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Paramedics and the police rushed to the court.

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He lost consciousness and a lot of blood and was flown by air ambulance

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It's not clear what he used or how he gained access to the weapon.

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Haverfordwest Magistrates has been closed all day and questions

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The whole community in Pembrokeshire found the incident disturbing.

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Serious questions only to be asked of how is it that is a Magistrates'

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Court room in a small town like Haverfordwest a defendant who was

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there to plead guilty was able to commit a serious act of violence

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against himself and potentially against other innocent people in

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that courtroom. This court does have airport style

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metal detectors and security guards at both entrances who check people's

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bags and coats as they head An investigation into quite how this

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could have happened is underway. Lukasz Robert Pawlowski remains in a

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serious condition in Morriston Hospital this evening. The local

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Assembly Member Simon Thomas has written to the Ministry of Justice

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asking what steps the UK Government is taking to ensure safety and

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courts. A spokesman for the Court service says no staff or other court

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users were injured in this incident and it would be inappropriate to

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comment further due to the ongoing police investigation.

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A 57-year-old man will go on trial in March, charged with the murder

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and rape of 15-year-old Janet Commins, whose body was found

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in a school playing field in Flint 40 years ago.

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Stephen Anthony Hough was himself a teenager at the time.

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The trial is expected to last at least four weeks.

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Two men from Newport are due in court next month charged

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with affray after reports of disorder in the Pill area

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This mobile phone footage shows one incident that emergency services

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21-year-old student Reyaad Khan travelled from Cardiff to Syria

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Described by David Cameron as plotting "high profile barbaric

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attacks" against the UK, he was killed by a British

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It was controversial - killing a British national

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in a country with whom we're not at war.

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Tonight, the UK's top lawyer Jeremy Wright has said the use

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of remote lethal force is justified to prevent an imminent

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It was an un-manned RAF aircraft like this that was used

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in a precision airstrike to kill Reyaad Khan back in 2015.

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It was the first time a drone had been used to attack a British

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national in a country that it wasn't at war with.

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The 21 year old from Cardiff was travelling in a vehicle

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in the Raqqa area of Syria when he was killed alongside another

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The Welsh student had become a so-called poster-boy

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for Jihadists worldwide, appearing in an ISIS

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The British Government said at the time he was plotting barbaric

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attacks on UK soil and the threat he posed justified the use

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There was a terrorist directing murder on our streets and no other

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means to stop them. This government does not take these decisions

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lightly but are not prepared to stand here in the aftermath of a

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terrorist attack on our streets and have to explain to the house wide I

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did not take the chance to prevent it when I could have done.

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At the time of his death some question the use of lethal drone

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strikes and said his wasn't extrajudicial killing. Now the

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Attorney General has clarified that such action though always a last

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resort is justified when there is no other option to defend the country

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from attack and prevent those provide -- committed acts of terror.

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International Law allows such action if an attack is deemed

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to be imminent and today the Attorney General said that

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definition of imminent, first set out in the 1840's,

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needed to be updated for the modern age.

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If you restrict yourself in such a way as to say only a final the

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attack will come at 3pm next Tuesday do I feel I have the right to defend

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myself then I don't believe this government or any government would

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be giving itself the tools it needs to do the job it's given to do which

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is to defend the UK from the threats it faces. Those threats develop over

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time and so international law needs to develop two and it has.

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At the time of Khan's death, Parliament's Human Rights Committee

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questioned the legal basis for targeted killings and called

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Today s pronouncements by the Attorney General is part

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of the Governments long-awaited response.

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The worst ever terror attack on British soil was the 7/7 bombings

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52 people were killed and many others were injured.

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Stefano Poborko from Newbridge near Caerphilly suffered burns

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Two years ago, he applied for compensation after he developed

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But he's told this programme he's unhappy with the time it's taking

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Steff Porborko was rushing for a meeting in Aldgate on what seemed

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What happened next would change his life forever.

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I asked one young lady if she wanted my seat, to be polite. What did she

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say? She said no, and what happened next? I think that's when the bomb

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went off and it was all smells and I didn't like it.

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The young woman died in Steff's arms.

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Steff spent two weeks in hospital recovering from burns.

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52 people died and hundreds of people were injured in the attacks.

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Steff didn't ask for compensation at the time as he didn't

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But things have changed dramatically for Steff.

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He's since been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

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He uses a wheelchair and his fiance, Louise, has to care for him.

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They believe the trauma caused by the 7/7 bombings may

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Steff applied for compensation, based on his MS and original

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Nearly two years on he's still waiting to hear

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This is twice as long as the average wait.

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He was a victim of a crime which was a terrorist attack and he witnessed

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it and the experiences he had and what he saw on that day were

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horrific and life changing. He is entitled to receive compensation

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from the public body because of that.

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The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority says it can't comment

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on individual cases but is committed to resolving applications

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Experts say there's no evidence to prove that stress

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But life will never be the same for Steff and Louise.

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They hope now that some recognition of the trauma that Steff

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suffered will help them cope with an uncertain future.

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Still to come in the programme: As Sam Warburton looks set to step

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down as Wales captain, we look at the contenders

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The Welsh Government's finance secretary Mark Drakeford says it's

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not a foregone conclusion that Assembly Members will

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support changes that will give them more power.

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They'll decide whether to accept responsibility for income tax,

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energy and teachers' pay, but there have been claims

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that the Wales Bill is too complex and bureaucratic.

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Our political editor Nick Servini is at the Senedd.

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Nick, most Assembly Members want to have new powers.

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Are they really going to reject this?

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That's the crux of the matter. I suspect that sentiment was behind UK

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Government source who told us today he felt this was a synthetic anger

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from Assembly Members. Mark Drakeford has alluded to some

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serious misgivings. We are talking about labour and Plaid Cymru

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Assembly Members and there are pluses and minuses were both of

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them. They would be supportive of the extra financial powers and

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borrowing powers. The downside for them will be an attempt to reshape

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the devolved settlement, an attempt to make it simpler and critics say

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it does exactly the opposite. At its worst the criticism is that it

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actually reverses some of the powers that have been devolved. It's all

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very complex stuff but if any basic camp -- calculation was made by the

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SMB members whether to accept something which is far from perfect

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in their eyes or reject something and risk not being given the

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opportunity to take on further powers for maybe years to come. What

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are the party is going to do? The Conservatives will support it. Ukip

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say it's a breach of faith to have income tax devolved without a

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referendum. Plaid Cymru and Labour will make up their minds this

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weekend. The key moment will be the Labour group meeting on Monday

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night. Behind-the-scenes the feeling is that they will accept this and

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standing here now I have to say it's difficult to envisage Carwyn Jones,

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First Minister who has defined self on constitutional matters, standing

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in front of his Labour colleagues and saying to them that they should

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pass upon the opportunity for this place to take on more powers.

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Deciding to start your own business often involves risk and it s one

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That's according to research for Lloyd's Bank, which suggests

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there's been a big drop in the number of start-up companies

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But some economists argue this could be a sign

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Our business correspondent Brian Meechan has more.

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Deciding to start your own business often involves risk and it s one

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Starting your own business can be as tough as it is rewarding.

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Around half of those who set-up won't be trading within five years.

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This might be the perfect industry for those with a sweet tooth

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but running a chocolate company can be a hard slog at times.

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It now employs ten full-time permanent members of staff and 24

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during peak tourist season. Karen and Mark Owen left

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the corporate world and put the proceeds from the sale

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of their home into They wanted a better work life

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balance so they could spend more time with their three young

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children. It's been tricky at times. We've had

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some nerve wracking moments but we put a robust plan in place from the

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beginning. We have never worked so hard for so little financial reward

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and hopefully that will change but for us it is about worklife balance.

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The business has gone from being mainly a visitor

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attraction showing how chocolates are made to selling their products

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into high end shops and a leading hotel.

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The couple don't regret their decision but others

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may be thinking twice about starting their own business.

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According to research, there's been a drop in the number

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of business accounts being opened at major banks in Wales.

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There were over 23,000 new accounts set-up in 2011.

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That dropped to around 19,000 in 2013 and then just

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We would always say to every entrepreneur to look at their is an

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absolute because it's only by learning from your mistakes you are

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going to learn not to make them the second time around.

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Economists say this could be a sign that things are going well

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with those forced to become self-employed after the financial

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crisis now finding more secure employment.

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Many people go into self-employment not because they've seen an

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opportunity but because of necessity and once that economic problem or

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conditions get better then what happens is they go away from

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self-employment back into a deployment. Paradoxically perhaps

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what this data is showing us is that the economy is improving.

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The wheels are still spinning at Wickedly Welsh chocolates as more

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While these figures on new bank accounts are useful,

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they need to be seen as part of a wider picture on how

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Time for some sport. Here s Tomos.

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Rugby and Alun Wyn Jones is expected to take over the Wales captaincy

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with Sam Warburton set to leave that role.

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His replacement will be confirmed next Tuesday

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when interim coach Rob Howley names his Six Nations squad.

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So tonight after leading his country to a World Cup semi final

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and a Six Nations Grand Slam success, it's expected that

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There is no doubting his commitment but after six years Sam Warburton's

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time as skipper looks like it's over. He has endured injury troubles

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recently. He might want to focus fully on his own form and fitness

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with the likes of Justin Tipuric putting pressure on its place. It is

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a burden. There is a lot of extra responsibility. Sam has battled

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injuries over the last few years and I think he will want to step back a

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little bit and focus on his own performance and getting over the

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injuries and contribute to the team from the playing perspective.

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Warburton has led his country 49 times, more than any other player.

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They were World Cup campaigns, quarterfinal last time around, and

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semifinalists in 2011 although that was tinged with personal heartache

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when he was sent off. There was six Nations success as well. The grand

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slam in 2012 and the championship the following year. And at 24 he was

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the youngest ever captain of the Lions for the successful tour of

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Australia four years ago. His work off the ball and his working general

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is through the roof. I know he wants to go into a six Nations of the back

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of some good form and at the moment he's building that. His replacement

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will be announced next Tuesday when Rob Howley names his six Nations

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squad. The leading contender is Alun Wyn Jones, an experienced player

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having won 105 caps for Wales. Singing his heart out and leading

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his country. He has stepped up to the top job five times before, and

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captaining Wales would put put in the fame as a potential Lions

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skipper. Coach Warren Gatland has said he would prefer a national team

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captain to lead the tour of New Zealand. Sam Warburton is hugely

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respected in the game and at the age of 28 he will expect to play at the

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top level for many years to come. A 15th Welsh-registered rugby

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player has been suspended Kurt Clabby, who was with Bedwas

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in the Welsh Premiership at the time, has been banned

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from all sport for four years for "evading" a test

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after a training session The former French international

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Claude Makelele has joined The 43-year-old worked with head

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coach Paul Clement at Chelsea Meanwhile, defender Neil Taylor

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fractured his cheekbone in training and is expected

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to have an operation. Another fitness update and Wales

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manager chris coleman says reports suggesting Gareth Bale is ahead

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of schedule in his recovery Coleman was speaking

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after being awarded an honorary Wales face the Republic of Ireland

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in a crucial world cup qualifier Last night, we brought you news

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of the sailor from Bangor aiming to make it around the globe

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non-stop single handed. Alex Thomson is still second

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in the Vandee Globe, but has fallen further behind

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the race leader. He's more than 200 miles off

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the lead with 2,500 miles Snow for some tomorrow.

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How bad will it be Derek? We're not expecting widespread

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disruption but wintry Most of the snow on higher ground,

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the hills and mountains. Now it's been windy today

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with big waves crashing The strongest winds in the north

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with a gust of 71mph Tonight the wind

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will gradually ease. A lot of dry weather

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bar a few showers. Later in the night some rain

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in the south and west. Tomorrow, a complicated picture

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with a trough in the south moving Bringing some heavy rain

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and as it cools the air Exactly how much snow

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is difficult to say So here's the picture

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for 8:00am in the morning. Snow on the Brecon Beacons

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and in mid Wales on higher ground. Northern parts maybe

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drier but with showers. So some heavy rain in mid

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and south Wales tomorrow. Most of the snow on higher ground

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above 300 metres but a little snow may reach lower levels

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in the southeast before it clears The wind light for a while

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but picking-up again. Gale force winds in

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the north and west. Some heavy showers

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with hail and snow. Temperatures close to freezing

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or below so ice will be a hazard. So Met Office warnings of snow

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are in force tomorrow and on Friday. Most of the snow in upland areas

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but anywhere could see a dusting. Friday will be cold and windy

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with sunshine and wintry showers. A few inches of snow

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on the Snowdonia mountains. Over the weekend,

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a few wintry showers. Less cold on Sunday

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with spots of rain. A reminder of our top story. Lives

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could be put at risk if an accident and emergency department in

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Shropshire used by many people in mid Wales is relocated. That's

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according to one MP. A debate is due to start in Westminster shortly on

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the future of the service. We'll have the latest on that in our

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update after the 10p the news. From Wallace on the programme, have good

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evening. Goodbye.

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