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Welcome to a special edition of BBC Points West

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Our main story tonight - meningitis under the microscope

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These young people in Bristol could hold the key to wiping out one

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strain of the illness as they take part in

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If we can show that by immunising the teenagers we don't just stop

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them getting sick, but we stop everyone else getting sick too,

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It comes exactly 30 years after the outbreak around Stroud

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which claimed seven young lhves and terrified the community.

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It's here in Stroud, in the district, in Stonehotse

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and in the old district, that the experts and analysts

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want to get and find out exactly what it is.

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Those events in Gloucerstershire inspired a charity which

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has raised millions - we're talking to one

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But there's more to do and tonight we're dedicating our progralme

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to an illness which can takd young lives in hours.

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Tonight we can reveal that senior doctors have started a uniqte study

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in Bristol which could change the way we vaccinate

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against a potentially fatal disease still killing hundreds -

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Last year, the UK became thd first country in the world to immtnise

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But some are now questioning if this is the right approach and if there's

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a more effective way to protect everyone.

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Our health correspondent Matthew Hill has the

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She was happy no matter what, if the vaccine was available today, then,

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she probably would still have been alive. I hope the trials do some

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good for medical research. H think we should keep her memory alive

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still. These six formers have cycled from Scotland to Bristol to raise

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?4,000 in memory of their friend and classmate. Easier Izzy was studying

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hard for her AS-level exams when he fell ill. Posting on Twitter she

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said she was being rushed to hospital, blood tests revealed she

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had meningitis. But these shx formers have just started a study to

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find out if it is worth vaccinating teenagers against meningitis B. It

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is hoped that 150016-18-year-olds will be having the vaccinathon but

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they will also be having ond of these, a throat swab as well as a

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spit test to see what effect the jab has on the carriage of meningitis.

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Those cases are devastating and seem well worth preventing to thd people

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affected but it is an issue of money, and if money is spent on that

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vaccine, then it is not being spent on something else. If we can show by

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immunising teenagers we don't just stop them getting sick but we stop

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everyone else getting sick too, that changes the sums. Today years about

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pro-for Finn found one in tdn teenagers carry the bug, but some

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are far more infectious and other, it is hoped the spit samples will

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shed light on how effective the new vaccine is at reducing the threat of

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transition. This study is going to be vital in informing the N`tional

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Study, the larger National Study but helping Government to decidd how to

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carry that study out, which is why meningitis research foundathon are

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excited to be part of it and funding it. That information could spare

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more young lives like Izzy's. That information could spard more

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young lives like Izzy's. Meningitis has been

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dubbed the silent killer. It attacks the lining around

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the brain and spinal cord It can affect anyone,

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but babies, teenagers and young It's usually caused by a viral

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or bacterial infection. Every year here in the UK

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there are about 3,200 cases. Of those, 320 people -

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that's 10% - will die. And a further 960 will suffdr life

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changing complications. B, C, W and Y are the main types

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which cause the disease here in the UK, but meningitis B

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is by far the most common. It was 30 years ago that

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meningitis came to frightenhng In one part of Gloucestershhre, case

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after case of meningitis B `ppeared In just five years

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there were 65 cases. That was five times higher

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than normally expected, and it was officially designated

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an outbreak in 1982. Seven people died -

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nearly all of them children The disease seemed to travel

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through the district. Nailsworth was affected

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in 1982 and 1983. One secondary school there had five

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cases in just two years. In 1983 and 1984, Stroud became

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the main focus. Then in 1985 and 1986,

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it attacked Stonehouse In the town of Stroud

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in Gloucestershire another baby has The Stroud area of Gloucestdrshire

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has been in the grip of a mdningitis They have been called

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the meningitis years, more than 120 cases through the 80,

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nearly all of them For people with children living

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all round the Stroud district, They didn't feel they had enough

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information, they didn't know whether to believe the wild

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speculation about how all this may have started,

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and how it was spreading. There was intense fear of an illness

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which could take hold so quhckly, Stonehouse had a high

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concentration of cases. When the junior Health Minister came

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to visit, concerns were All we hear is every stone

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is being turned to find out. It is obviously not,

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we don't have a damn answer. The estate agents were complaining

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people didn't want to buy houses once they knew it was in thd Stroud

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area, our swimming gala werd told they could not swim with anx other

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people because no-one knew how it was spread and everyone

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just shut down. For the Wells family,

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things could have been so dhfferent. Daniel, now proud father to Daisy,

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was one of those struck. His mum Jane remembers

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the dash to the hospital. You know, really, really poorly

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and we were so frightened. I remember getting there

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and they didn't know who we were, I was screaming at them

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"Please take this baby, It was horrendous, I can't

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tell you how horrendous. Even now, 30 years on it brhngs

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tears to my eyes. Jane says he felt the effects

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for years. Tim was another young

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boy who fell victim. He shows his gratitude by r`ising

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money to help with It's the seriousness that hhts home

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really, when I read the newspaper article of my mum living

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a nightmare, and in hospital while they were pumping

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penicillin into him. That's scary thing, this isn't

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something that has gone awax. Thankfully awareness

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is much greater now, 30 odd years on, but it is

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still very much there. Did you usually keep his bedroom

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window open in the winter? With so little understood

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about the outbreak, the authorities decided to carry out a huge research

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study in Stonehouse. They checked throat bacteri`,

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did blood tests and asked qtestions You can have, you know,

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a healthy child who is perfdctly well, and dead within 12 hotrs, so,

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you know, it is not surprishng that Even if we can't do anything

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with a vaccine, then we can help with communicating what we do know

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and helping people know the signs and symptoms,

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so that to me was one And you know, this was the start

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of a major drive towards The meningitis support group have

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been meticulous not to give medical advice,

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because it can be misleading. From the meningitis years,

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there also grew a powerful charitable force as parents

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fund-raised for research, btilt Today Meningitis Now is a l`rge

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and successful national charity and Jane has been heavily involved

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from the start. You know, we were saying

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this is an outbreak here and it is unfortunate but ldt's do

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something good with it. Let's get researchers in,

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let's learn so others And Daisy a much cherished

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granddaughter has become a symbol She is living proof that

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if you fight long and hard dnough, So, yeah, Daisy was the first to get

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the meningitis B vaccine, she is sitting here,

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larger than life and we won't have A young life protected,

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in the ongoing fight against this 30 years on, today is

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the official birthday of the Stroud-based

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charity, Meningitis Now. And today its executive founder

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and veteran fundraiser, Steve Dayman, completed an `rduous

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17 day long walk Steve, a former boss of a lorry

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company, has dedicated much of his life to campaign for research

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and awareness about the disdase since his own baby son, Spencer died

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from meningitis in 1982. His latest challenge has

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raised more than ?50,000, and even though 30 years have past,

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the work continues because meningitis still

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claims and changes lives. Here are the stories

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of two young men - 16-year-old Ryan from Bristol

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who died from meningitis and 20 year 20-year-old Matt from Trowbridge

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in Wiltshire who survived, but whose life would

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never be the same again. 31st March, 2010, is a day

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I will never forget. On February 14th 2010,

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my life and body changed, Ryan was fit, healthy, vibr`nt,

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his whole life ahead of him. Watching Manchester United

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with his dad, went to bed, I went out to get a few bits

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and piece, we were laughing and joking, there was nothing

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to alarm me not to leave hil. I know him better than anybody else

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and I left him. I woke up to him sort

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of crying out for help, The only option really

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was to call the ambulance. It was the slowest five minttes

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I have ever endured. So I was just laying on this couch,

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just feeling ill, and just And then the next thing I rdmember,

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my dad came in to check on le, They were very good at the hospital,

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recognised straightaway menhngitis. Eventually, his lungs were giving

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up, his heart was giving up, and we were basically taken

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to a room to say the next Me and my husband, we didn't think

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the worst case scenario, we just thought he'll be better

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he'll be fine, he's strong. I remember coming home,

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getting out of hospital and a 16-year-old had

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lost their fight to meningitis. And I just thought I was extremely

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lucky to get through it. The paramedics were amazing,

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and they did take him to thd VRI, but there was nothing that

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could be done for him. I saw both mum and dad almost

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collapse into each other, and I was sort of stood there,

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just watching the whole thing, Our family knew nothing,

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they didn't know he was ill. The first time we spoke to them

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was to say that he had died. I can't remember looking at my

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hands, thinking what's happdned I lost tips of almost every finger,

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except for my middle, but I could still press the shutter

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so I could still take a pictures. but I could still press the shutter

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so I could still take pictures. We had to do something about it

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so we quickly started with a charity event,

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and it kind of feels we are not As we heard at the start

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of tonight's programme doctors are still considering the bdst way

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to protect everyone Now every baby is immunised free

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on the NHS. So far this move has cut thd number

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of cases in half amongst those But discussions continue around

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the other big at risk As Dickon Hooper reports, some

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parents are so concerned thdy're I think it has left me stronger

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as a person overall, like obviously it was such

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a terrible ordeal to go through A remarkable statement

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from Milly Reynolds, just four months ago the tednager

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was in a week long induced coma She had been rushed to hosphtal

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after being taken very Even by the time the ambulance got

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here she said so me my vision is going and at the point I,

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it was, one of those moments where you can't quite

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believe it is happening, At one point they thought

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they might lose her. You are thinking oh my God,

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is this happening? I think we were both of us really

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maybe at that stage thinking it was a possibility,

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but trying not to let it For me, probably, as the dax

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went on, possibly more, and as we had consultations

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with the doctors, over the first two days it was a real possibilhty

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so we were really at that stage Their daughter survived menhngitis

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B. Both their sons have now bedn

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vaccinated privately at a cost The risk is relatively small,

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statistically small but I think the fact we have been through this

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and we can do something abott it and we are fortunate enough to be

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able to pay for it, for us, really it is a decision we have

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got to go with, really. We would pay anything

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for Milly not to have suffered as she did,

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so for us it was, and I would say to everybody, get your child

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vaccinated because nobody w`nts to see their child suffer

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the way that Milly did. The only people to be offerdd

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the men B vaccine for free on the NHS are babies,

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that is part of our routine immunisation programme now,

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and we're the first country But if men B is so dangerous, how do

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you decide who gets it for free This man should know -

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he attends the high level committee advising

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the Government on immunisathon. So couldn't we all

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just get the vaccine? Well, we could, but the cost of that

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would be very high. It is not just about

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cost effectiveness. They also look at how

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the vaccine actually works, and balance the risk of getting ill

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against the consequences. None of these decisions are easy,

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and somebody's always going to be you know,

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a loser, in some, you know hn some some special interest group

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will lose out to some extent, to another one, overall,

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the overall impact ought to be that we get as much health

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as we possibly can from our tax Milly and her family want to thank

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that NHS for giving her the chance I was so determined to get out

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of hospital, towards the end, and since then I have done so many

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amazing things, I went on holiday with my f`mily,

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I've been on holiday with mx friends multiple times and I am

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so determined to live my Joining us now in the studio

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to discuss meningitis are Doctor Jolanta Bernatonhene

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who's a consultant paediatrhcian in infectious diseases

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at the Bristol Children's Hospital. And fresh from his walk,

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Steve Dayman, the Executive Founder of the Gloucestershire based

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charity, meningitis Now. of the Gloucestershire based

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charity, Meningitis Now. Let us get this in perspecthve. An

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average GP, how many cases of meningitis B is he likely to see in

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a year. Probably about 800 cases of meningitis B in the UK, per year,

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so, maybe one or two cases. So it is rare, isn't it. That is point I

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wanted to get across. The problem with meningitis its symptoms seem

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similar to flu for a cold, xet it is lethal. Is there a red flag,

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anything that you could say to parents, look out for this? Well,

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the initial symptoms can be very nonspecific and is similar to the

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symptoms of flu, headache, loss of appetite, vomiting and a general

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feeling of being unwell. After the initial symptoms you might

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experience some neck stiffndss, rash, some confusion, excessive

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sleepiness and in more severe cases reduced conscious, you know level of

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consciousness or convulsion, the most difficult thing is to recognise

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symptoms in babies, because they tend to present with nonspecific

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symptoms such as poor feeding, vomiting, a very unusual crx or

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moaning, pale blotchy skin with rash, with temperatures the or

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without, and they can appear very lethargic, very floppy, can be less

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responsive and in severe cases they can have seizures, so, it, ht is a

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difficult thing at the beginning they will present with nonspecific.

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It is difficult for GPs to tell let alone parents. It is diffictlt. So,

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so the advice if you are concerned about someone who might havd

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meningitis, who is ill, who is getting worse, trust your instinct

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and don't wait for the rash, get medical help. Just check. OK. How

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you feeling after your walk? A bit tired. It is 30 years since you lost

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your lad Spencer. A lot has happened since then, in this fight, hasn t

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it. It certainly has, in those days, there wasn't any charity, no

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leaflets, and it was just, families and friends, and then the Stroud

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meningitis support group was set up, after the, during the Stonehouse

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outbreak, but yes, we have now got five vaccines in the progralme, and

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you know, the charity Meningitis Now we financially supported ovdr 3 000

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families, we have invested ?12 million, we we were instrumdntal in

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the introduction of the vaccines, so up and down the country. I think

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your lad would be very proud of what has come out of his tragedy. Yes, I

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truly believe he would be, xes, you know, it changed our lives

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completely, and I am sure hd is very proud of what we achieved. What is

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your thinking about the vaccinations at the moment, you campaigndd for

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babies to have it, now therd is a possibility of teenagers having it,

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what do you think? First of all we wanted and we are still campaigning

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for the vaccine to be broaddned to cover the under fives because that

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is the highest age group whdre we see the highest incidence, `nd you

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know we wanted the adolescent study that was recommended at the same

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time as the men B vaccine, we want more urgency from the Department of

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Health to get on with the programme that has been recommended. Hn a word

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or too, two how close are wd to defeating this awful illness for

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good The initial results ard successful so since the introduction

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to have vaccinest months ago the number of cases in babies h`lved, so

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that is a great success and the vaccine is working very well. So how

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close to getting rid of it hs a difficult question to answer yet, we

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need to wait for some results to come.

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Thank you both very much for coming in this evening. Thank you.

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Now if you are watching tonight and have any

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questions about meningitis, Alex can put them to our two guests

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when she will be broadcasting live on our Facebook page just after 7.

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So if you want to know more about symptoms,

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available vaccinations - anything - then email your puestions

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to facebook.com/pointswest and Alex will read them out.

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In other news across the West tonight - the High Court

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is being asked to stop the lerger of two Somerset councils.

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Taunton Deane and West Somerset want to become a single authority

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They already share staff and services, and now

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But some opposition councillors have started a legal challenge.

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It will cost taxpayer's much more money due to the reality of West

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Somerset. In addition more importantly there hasn't bedn any

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consultation whatsoever, thhs is where the ground for the judicial

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review is, there is a clear common law that consultation needs to occur

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The council say the merger hs vital, and will help save millions

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Three men from Iraq are being questioned after five adults and two

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children were found in the back of a lorry on the edge of Bristol.

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The driver raised the alarm at a petrol station near Downend.

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The men have been detained on suspicion of

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The family is in the care of the local authority.

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Finally, 50 years ago this week the first West Indian nightspot

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The Bamboo Club was founded in St Pauls, after black people

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were treated with hostility in local pubs and clubs.

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one of the best music venues in the country,

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playing host to Bob Marley and other global stars.

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And you can find out more about the Bamboo club

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on Inside Out West tonight at 7.30 on BBC One.

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Now it seems to have become colder today -

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Ian is up on the roof with our forecast.

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Yes I am trying to remember the last time I was up here with rain coming

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down, it has been certainly quite a while, but as this week wears on I

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suspect this might be the l`st evening I am up here in wet

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conditions, we are looking `t a dry week, the forecast for tomorrow we

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have to clear the current r`in out of the way, that will get under way

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during the course of tonight, the legacy will be a lot of clotd round

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through tomorrow morning at least, with hill fog round, drizzlx

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outbreaks of rain but gradu`lly that will start to peter out, thd day

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will become dry, for some of you a chance of something a bit brighter

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as well. Here is a wider look at how things are shaping up. The OK

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colluded front is bringing the rain, straddling parts of the West

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Country. It can't get much further north so lit die a death ovdr the

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top of us tonight, but leavhng a lot of low cloud, leaving the hhll fog

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and you can see tomorrow thd signal for a lot of cloud remains with

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brighter spells starting to show their hands hand. At the molent the

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rain is moderate. Got its w`y up to the northern extremes. Then you will

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see through the course of tonight, as well as generally drying up from

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the south, that rain band tdnds to peter out, but murky condithon,

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certainly over Uplands at -, as the night wears on. 7-10 Celsius.

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Tomorrow expect many of do xou start under overcast conditions, still

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with the hill fog, patchy drizzly outbreaks of rain, they will peter

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out then the dry signal takds over. You can see that cloud showhng signs

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of breaking up. I don't think we will see widespread sunshind but

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brighter spells round. Light winds, temperatures in a range of 02-1

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Celsius. It will be a chillher night as when he had through to Wddnesday,

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nor the way of clearer spells. A greater chance seeing fog about but

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we are setting up the story then through this week with high pressure

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building to the south. On this occasion the winds shifting to a

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westerly, temperatures going above average for a while. How long they

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will last we wait to see. I am going to do a Facebook live now if you

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want to join us. Otherwise there is an update for you at 10.00. Thank yo

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you for watching this speci`l programme, see you tomorrow. Bye for

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now. Saving Africa's Elephants:

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Hugh and the Ivory War, starts. .

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