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This week, the Roadshow's heading east -

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or if you prefer it - to the starboard side of England.

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To reach our destination, we've come by boat for a very good reason -

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there's a lot of water around here.

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This was one of the first, and one of the busiest ports in Britain.

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Today, Ipswich takes good care of its pleasure boaters,

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but the quay-side here has known frantic activity

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in its ancient role as East Anglia's gateway to Europe and beyond.

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And the profits that rolled in from a brisk trade in wool, textiles, grain and fish,

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made this one of the wealthiest corners of the country.

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Merchants with loads of money

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wasted no time in getting onto the property ladder.

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Even Chaucer's Canterbury Tales talked about the "rich merchants of Ipswich".

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But, of course, not everyone was earning an honest penny.

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In the 18th century,

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Suffolk smugglers were as bold and as busy a bunch as you'd find anywhere.

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There were reports of secret tunnels running underneath the town,

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down to the port.

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This part of Suffolk also boasts a long line of explorers.

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They played their part in opening up the world, and along the way,

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they brought home some fascinating souvenirs. Magic!

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But one of the museum's most prized exhibits is this.

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It's a fork,

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and it was used by Fijian cannibals

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to eat a missionary.

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That was back in 1867.

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Perhaps they could swap it for one of his old boots,

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which is at the moment on display in a museum in Fiji.

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So, a place of explorers, smugglers and maritime traders.

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Perhaps these are clues to some of the treasures we may unearth in Ipswich today.

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Let's find out, as we head for the Roadshow in the town's Corn Exchange.

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My father, his hobby was firearms - antique firearms

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and gun-dealing and what have you.

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All sorts of bits and pieces used to come through the house.

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One day these came through and he decided to hold on to them.

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-He'd never seen anything quite like them before.

-No, no.

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My understanding was that to try and get an idea of what this was about,

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he gave them to the British Museum.

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When they were returned, the British Museum asked for them to be donated.

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But that never happened.

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-He kept them?

-He kept them.

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Well, I think I would keep them as well - they are beautiful.

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The flint napping of that is absolutely beautiful.

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The work, I mean carving out those little, tiny serrated edges...

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These are just marvellous.

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They're mind bending, aren't they?

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And if you hold them,

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they will actually fit your hand.

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Fits the hand, yes.

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I've seen a flint napper at work, you know, a modern one.

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And to see them working on this edge of these things...

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It's sharp as a razor, that, isn't it?

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-It would cut you to...

-Yes. Phenomenal.

-Rally phenomenal.

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These are, of course, in flint or chert and are not unusual.

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I mean they're really quite common,

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but this one here - it's obsidian, isn't it?

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Yes, I understood it to be volcanic glass.

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-Volcanic glass - obsidian.

-Yes.

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Well, the most incredible obsidian work was done in Mexico.

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They made some fantastic things in obsidian.

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I was told that that was South American.

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-Yes, South American or Central American.

-Yes.

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I think I'd go along with that.

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I mean, obsidian occurs naturally

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in Central and South America.

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I would imagine it hails from there.

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But the work is beautiful.

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-Can I take this out?

-Yes, you can.

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This is gorgeous.

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-Yes.

-We must be looking, I don't know...

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It's certainly prehistoric, isn't it?

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I mean, it must go back...

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If this is Mexican or South American,

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it will be certainly two or three thousand years old.

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These flint ones...

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These will be probably even earlier than that.

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This could be for ceremonial purposes.

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These flint pieces are often found in gravel beds,

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-or in a domestic setting.

-Really?

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Prehistoric time, of course.

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But a piece of obsidian like this,

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I should think is more likely to have come from a tomb.

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Sort of Indiana Jones type of thing?

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Yes...the Temple of Doom!

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Yes, quite. Marvellous, isn't it?

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They don't fetch a huge amount of money, flint.

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I suppose one's looking...

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I mean, it could be anywhere from £300, £400, £500 apiece,

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something like that.

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-They do crop up at auctions.

-Right.

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But what doesn't crop up at auctions, is an obsidian piece.

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I mean that is mind bending, I've never actually handled one before.

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So, it's fantastic to be able to...

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be able to handle it.

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I don't know what it's worth.

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Good.

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Any guess will be almost possible.

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Perhaps for insurance,

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I think you should be looking at something like about £5,000.

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-Right.

-It's not necessarily that if it came up at auction.

-Yes.

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But for comfort and insurance,

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in the hope of getting another one if that was to go...

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-perhaps £5,000.

-Really?

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What do you think this is?

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-It's a sextant.

-No.

-No?

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It's an octant.

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I don't know what it is,

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so I must agree.

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It's the same instrument,

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I'm just being pedantic.

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It's a question of the area of a circle.

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Basically, a sextant is a sixth and an octant is an eighth.

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-So, technically, this is an eighth of a circle.

-Oh, right.

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-It does exactly the same...

-Thing.

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..thing. It's for navigation,

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it's for the horizon, for telling...setting the time.

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But it's actually an octant.

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The octant was an earlier instrument than the sextant, originally.

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This one, we can probably date quite accurately.

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Now, it's made of ebony - it's got ivory scales -

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but it's also got a signature.

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The signature is "Spencer, Browning and Rust of London".

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-Yes.

-Yes.

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And they were in business, I think, from 1784 to 1840.

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But the box... And this is actually rather rare.

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The box has got this fantastic trade label

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of "Mr T Jennings, carver and gilder of looking-glasses and picture-frame maker",

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who appears - if you read through what he did - he did everything.

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Yes.

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But his dates, I think...

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-end in 1830-1844.

-Yes.

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So the only period when they coincide, is the years 1830-1840.

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-Yes.

-So that means the date has got to be between 1830 and 1840.

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-Yes.

-Now, can you tell me anything about where you came upon it?

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-It's been in the family for years.

-Oh, it's been in the family?

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-Yes.

-Oh, yes.

-My father's people were water people.

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They used to sail to Australia,

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and of course, they were on the water three or four months at a time, in them days.

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Because we're going back to the 19th...

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Well, I'm one of those people who has to admit that when...

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-I don't think of Ipswich as being a port town.

-No, no.

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When you look on the map,

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it doesn't appear to be close to the sea. But of course, it is.

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-Yes, yes.

-So, was it out of Ipswich that the family sailed?

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They did sail from Ipswich

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because I've checked some of those at the records office.

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-So is this the man who...?

-That's right.

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-This is your...?

-Grandfather.

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-Grandfather.

-Yes.

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-And these are the papers which...?

-Yes.

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They're basically - as far as I can tell - they're discharge papers.

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Presumably, when you came off a particular voyage,

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-you were actually given a discharge from on board that ship.

-Yes, yes.

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And this one, here is actually 14th June 1873,

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and they appear to be of the 1870s.

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Yes, and of course they used to go gold-panning on the Gold Coast.

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Oh, really?

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-That's one of those certificates to confirm that.

-Oh, this one?

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Somewhere there.

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"County of Westland, miner's right."

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That's fantastic. So he wasn't just a sailor? When he got there he...

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Well, he was shipwrecked at some stage.

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We don't really know when he was shipwrecked.

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Well, it's a fascinating story,

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and I have to say the story makes the instrument.

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They're not desperately rare.

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This one is in very good condition,

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the ivory's not cracked, the lacquer's good.

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It's bent up the side there, but that's not a problem.

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It has the original box...

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and therefore I think I'd value the instrument on its own

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at somewhere between £600 and £800.

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But with the family history -

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which is priceless -

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it could be substantially more than that.

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-Oh.

-Yes, yes.

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Well, what starts off as a very, very ordinary scrap album -

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on typically rather poor paper -

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it's all breaking here, it's all become rigid.

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It suddenly blossoms with these two,

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which are absolutely fantastic.

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I don't think I've ever seen those before.

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Mind you, I'm not the greatest connoisseur of these...

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This wonderful one of the Tower of London...

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Then we've got Westminster Abbey...

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..with St Paul's on the other side.

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I assume that's the Bank of England or somewhere like that.

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But as we go further into it,

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there are some fantastic things.

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-These were never stuck in?

-No.

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You start off with scenes from Dickens,

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which I think is absolutely tremendous.

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Two, and then these ones here - three, four.

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Those two - five, six...

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Then this fabulous array,

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now these are superb.

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Where do these all come from?

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It was a donation that was brought into the Salvation Army charity shop.

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Yes.

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So, what is the destination of them?

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Well, to get the very best price we can, for the shop.

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That is absolutely wonderful.

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Occasionally one sees the odd clown. Very desirable, I should think.

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I mean - those alone - I reckon would be worth...

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I don't know, £100.

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Really? I've actually had somebody that's interested in those,

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he has said that he would offer £50.

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But if you value them at more than that...

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-I think he should go on a bit further than that.

-Right.

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And after all, it is for charity, isn't it?

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And this one, which is actually my favourite,

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which is in commemoration

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of the jubilee of Queen Victoria.

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12 reliefs portraying the various deeds of daring valour -

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the heroes of the Victoria Cross.

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Here it is, this is just incredible, this is completely uncut.

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It goes on and on and on.

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These are just absolutely delicious.

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The colours are beautiful.

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Isn't the colour absolutely fantastic?

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What was the purpose of doing something like this?

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Well, these were done mostly late 19th century, for children to cut up

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and put in their scrap-books to stick down.

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All of these would have been cut?

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They would have been cut out,

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you would have gone to your stationers,

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or newsagent, or whoever was selling these

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and you would buy them and you would give them to your...

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nephew or your niece or your son or your daughter.

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They would spend a very quiet Saturday cutting them out,

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and not going out playing games!

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But they are incredible and it is so noticeable how bright they are.

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It's because they haven't been stuck in -

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there's been no nasty glue on the back of them,

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which would have rotted them,

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or in some cases rotted them, anyway.

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Thank goodness they haven't been put into this particular album -

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they are just too good.

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I think you should do very well for your charity.

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There is a society called The Ephemera Society

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which actually has fairs

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where people bring along scraps and sell them, or trade them.

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That may well be a place where you could find people

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to get the best price.

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I would have thought you've got at least £500, if not more.

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This is a lovely watercolour, or gouache I'd say, by Frank Henry Mason.

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I know him really... Well, he is a marine painter

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and he painted in both oils and watercolours

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and he did poster work as well.

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-He painted a lot for advertising.

-Oh.

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And because it's been painted in gouache,

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which is a form of watercolour - very chalky.

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-Yes.

-Creamy - it doesn't fade, it's very strong.

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It's like body colour...

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This sort of thing with posters -

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that's the technique and medium that poster artists use.

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It's so strongly painted -

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you get a fantastic composition of the sea, here, with the colours -

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light blues and aquamarine blues

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and the good stormy sky.

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It's almost better than watercolour, being in gouache -

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it's much more dramatic.

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But this is an unusual example, it's of a torpedo boat in the Boer War.

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So, was one of your family involved in this?

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Yes, my grandfather was on board this torpedo boat as a warrant officer.

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-Yes.

-They were sailing important dispatches down to Simonstown,

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and the propeller broke.

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He had, of course, been to sea under sail and, as I understand it,

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he was instrumental in getting out all the ship's canvas

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and rigging up sails so that she could be sailed into Saldanha Bay.

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What happened to him? Did he get promoted? What happened after that?

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Yes, he was mentioned in dispatches to the Admiralty

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because of what he'd done.

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In fact, he was the first rating in the navy, ever to be promoted to a commissioned rank.

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-Fantastic.

-Yes.

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And he carried on in the navy?

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He did indeed, he retired in the late 1920s - in fact, as a rear admiral.

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Really?

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And was knighted in the King George V coronation honours.

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That is a wonderful story.

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It's such a personal thing because, when you're asked to value this,

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-money's immaterial.

-Absolutely.

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It's such a lovely picture, and a lovely story to go with it.

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It almost belongs in the Greenwich Maritime Museum.

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-Oh.

-Well, you should cover it for insurance.

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I would suggest probably an insurance price of about £5,000.

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-Thank you so much.

-But it's a lovely picture.

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Good, thank you very much.

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So, what can you tell me about this little box?

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Well, I've known it all my life -

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my mother used to have several little boxes around the house.

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When she died, my brother, sister and myself decided to take a couple each.

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That was one of the ones I chose.

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-Do you love it to bits?

-I think it's sweet.

-So do I.

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The first thing is that it's made of yew wood,

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one of my favourite timbers.

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It looks exactly like a tea caddy, doesn't it?

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Yes, it does, indeed.

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I mean it's got a hinge - two hinges on the back -

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and this line, which runs around the middle -

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it looks as if that's a hinged lid.

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-But try as you might, you can't get it to open.

-That's right.

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Because the hinge bit's all dummy.

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You've got these strips of ebony which are inlaid.

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Very high quality and beautiful ebony

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and a lovely shield-shaped, brass escutcheon - great isn't it?

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It's lovely, yes.

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So then you think, "This is very frustrating,

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"why won't this box open?"

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-Yeah.

-Brilliant!

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-Shall I give away the secret?

-Why not?

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All your treasures are going to be at risk now.

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You take that end ring handle,

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you give it a quarter of a turn downwards,

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you then try and slide it back

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but before you can slide it back properly,

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you have to release this catch,

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which is the spigot in the middle of that lock,

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slide that back, lift it up quarter of a turn

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and remove the roof - and there it is.

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The most beautifully made, oak-lined, little sarcophagus

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with these lovely, late Georgian brass fittings,

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for the secret devices.

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Dare I ask what you keep inside it?

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I don't think you'd better because we are the BBC after all, aren't we?

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Oh, dear. I see, it's one of those sort of boxes, is it?

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And what do you think it's worth?

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I would have no idea at all.

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Um, no, I don't, I'm hoping you'll be able to tell me.

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I can give you a rough idea.

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They're very difficult to value, these little novelty boxes.

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But tea caddies - of which it's a type -

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are very much sought after, and it's a delightful little box.

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I can see this making between £600 and £800 on the market.

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Gosh, no, I didn't think anything as much as that. That's amazing.

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Are you sure?

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Well, we've clocked up a few more miles in our nationwide search

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for the top collector and this week's contender is David Cook.

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As a stockbroker, one would imagine you would collect used fivers,

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but you are a Dinky man.

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What an array! How many have you got?

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5,000.

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-5,000?

-5,000, yes.

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-And how many have you brought along today?

-About 500.

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And how did this obsession start?

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When I was 5, so I've been collecting for 55 years.

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How did... Who put you onto them?

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My grandfather, he just said,

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"Christmas, David, and we'll pop down to the toy shop

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"and I've got ten shillings - you can choose whatever Dinky toys..."

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Because he knew I was fascinated by transport.

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"..buy any Dinky toys you want for ten bob as long as you don't go..."

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So I bought four,

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four of those little ones down the front there -

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which is my own collection.

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Those are your first boyhood toys?

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-Yes, they were half a crown each.

-That's a lot of money.

-It was.

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I think it was probably his week's wage.

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And do they remain your favourites?

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In a way, at the time. But of course they became a lot more sophisticated.

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Then I discovered there were older and rarer ones.

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Which is the oldest one here, then?

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The little red sports car.

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-Ah.

-That one, yes.

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That's the oldest one?

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That's the oldest one here.

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And is it one of the oldest ever made?

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Yes, it is the first one that Dinky ever made - number 22A.

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That was the number of it, and it was issued in 1934.

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And this, I have to say, has a personal...

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Rings a personal bell for me, because that's my local store.

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-Yes.

-Is this a special one?

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That is a reproduction,

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because an original would set you back, Michael...

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-£12,000.

-12,000?!

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£12,000. There are only three known in the world,

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and it's reckoned that they made about 100 of them,

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just for Bentall's store in Kingston-on-Thames.

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This Foden here,

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in a different colour - in the maroon colour with that design -

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that sold for £12,000 last year.

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-12!

-A mint, boxed one and that is quite rare

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because they only made it for nine months.

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What is the greatest triumph you've had, as a collector?

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The year my son was born, in 1972,

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we went on holiday to Snowdonia - stayed in a cottage.

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One day it was raining, we went to Conwy and found an old toy shop.

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In the toy shop was that Bedford coal truck down there, the bright red one,

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The toy shop was called Gilbert Emery.

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I think it was 35 pence or something like that.

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I filled the boot of my car with these Dinky toys

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because they were all, at that stage, obsolete.

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Sounds like a mirage.

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It was wonderful! I was in heaven.

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Well, when you started collecting,

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could it just as well have been cigarette cards?

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You didn't know these were going to be worth thousands of pounds.

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I'm not only a collector, I'm a hoarder.

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I collected cigarette cards too

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and I've still got my cigarette card collection, but this is my passion.

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You've mentioned some astonishing sums of money here today.

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Which is the most valuable of all these you've got?

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Well, I think it's this Weetabix van, here.

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Why?

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Because it's the factory prototype.

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You may look on the other side -

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you can see "Weetabix" on that side -

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if you turn it round, it's blank.

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It was prepared for the directors of Meccano,

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to ask them if they thought it was a good model to make, to manufacture.

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So what does that mean, if this is unique?

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It is, absolutely. There's not another one in the world like it.

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And what does that mean in terms of its value?

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-Its value is priceless, Michael.

-Priceless?

-Priceless.

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How interesting.

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Michael, Michael...

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When I saw them bringing this in... four men carried this in.

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-It's obviously part of the whole suite.

-It is.

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When we bought it, we moved it in ourselves,

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and I've certainly still got the bad back from that!

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-How long ago was that?

-Seven years ago.

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I mean, four men carried it in - without the drawers -

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but what they probably hadn't realised...

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is this.

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As you know - your secret wine cellar.

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We couldn't find any wine to put in there...

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And this idea of a lead-lined - or in this case zinc-lined...

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Oh, OK, yes.

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-For bottles, so you put the ice in there.

-Ice in there.

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To keep the champagne, in your case, or cheap white wine in mine...

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Water.

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Water, yes...

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That's what these were made for and what's interesting is,

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-it's a 1920-1930 suite of furniture.

-OK.

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But this is exactly how they made them in the 18th century

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So the ideas carried on for 200 years.

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But the sheer quality of this is amazing.

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It's got a mixture of the Gothic -

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because it's a sideboard for keeping the wine -

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the vine and grapes there, the vine leaves

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and then here the Elizabethan...

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Rather a mixture, Elizabethan, Jacobean-type decoration,

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it's very eclectic, very muddled in its style.

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But my gosh, it's well made!

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And, you know, it's obviously by a very good maker.

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-Right.

-Do you know who it's by?

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-Waring and Gillow I understand.

-Right, there's a label somewhere?

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In the top drawer.

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This one? Left-hand side.

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-Lift up the...

-Oh, yeah.

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So it's Waring and Gillow, Lancaster factory.

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So, we know it was made in Lancaster.

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Most of their furniture was made in Lancaster.

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And shipped down to wherever, normally London -

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where they had a big shop in Oxford Street.

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OK.

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And the whole thing is made of oak -

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solid oak drawer linings, handmade dovetails.

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That's just incredible workmanship.

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When we do go round researching the furniture,

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we do see suites like this quite commonly.

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-Right.

-And people often say to us "Why don't you have a suite like this on the Antiques Roadshow?"

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We see too many and they're often not of the very best quality.

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There is a dividing line,

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and here is the zenith,

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the summit of the best quality of this type of dining room suite.

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-It just fitted what we wanted.

-What's interesting about this...

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I mean, when you bought this,

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it was slightly sort of at the tail end of being old-fashioned.

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I'm not being rude about your taste

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but generally, it was very much Granny's old-fashioned furniture.

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But it's now coming back into fashion -

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slowly but surely, people appreciate this sort of craftsmanship.

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And that's why, if you can afford it, always buy the best,

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Granny always knew best, I think.

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Knew what she was spending her money on, didn't have money to waste.

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I think that this is 1930ish, part of the suite

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and I think that the chairs are probably even later,

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probably post Second World War, even as late as 1950.

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And made to match?

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Made to match or made by the same company, the same factory,

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-in a similar style, so they may never have been together.

-Oh.

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Till we bought them as...

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Until you bought them, or possibly somebody had these in the 1930s.

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After the war they wanted some more chairs for whatever reason.

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-And they went back...

-Back to the shop.

-..to the same shop.

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-How many of the chairs do you have?

-Four chairs, two carvers.

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You bought it seven years ago,

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obviously you're going to know what you paid.

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-Do you remember?

-I paid £1,500 for it at the time.

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-Well, I think in this country it's undervalued...

-Right.

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-..today, at £5,000.

-Right.

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When you go around the USA, North America,

0:25:380:25:42

this is always in a very popular style, very popular indeed.

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I can see this in US dollars being up to 20,000, 25,000 US dollars.

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So, certainly double the price it's worth here.

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Oh, my God!

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-You've got to ship it over there. It's not worth it...

-No.

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It makes it difficult to know what to value it for

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or what to insure it for.

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But I would expect today, as I said, £5,000 in a shop and going up.

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That is a surprise. A very big surprise.

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It was my mother's -

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my father gave it to my mother on the occasion of their wedding.

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-Right, when about would that have been?

-That's 1948.

-Right.

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But my father said it was old then.

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-Yes.

-And quite valuable, but he didn't tell me how valuable.

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-Yes, yes.

-He bought it in Ipswich, didn't he?

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He bought it in Ipswich, yes. It's still in its original box.

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The colour combination of white, green and purple

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indicates that it was a suffragette piece.

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-Oh.

-Oh, really? Oh.

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And the story goes that it's

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"Green, Violet and White" - "Give Votes to Women"

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or "Green, White, Violet"- "Give Women Votes".

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-Right.

-So this was produced during the suffragette period

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and, of course, Emmeline Pankhurst was the great suffragette.

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It was a brief and fairly violent period,

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I think just up to, and during, the First World War.

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It's really quite comparatively rare.

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But it's something that you do see,

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but people don't very often appreciate the significance of it,

0:27:170:27:20

and there's another interesting facet of this -

0:27:200:27:24

it could be a bit like the school tie.

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Women would recognise other women

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who were wearing this type of jewellery -

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they'd all be members of the club.

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-Right.

-Oh, right, yes.

0:27:330:27:36

There might have been some manipulation involved here -

0:27:360:27:39

women at this period didn't buy their own jewellery.

0:27:390:27:42

They'd have to tell their husbands that they really loved the colours

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and they'd be ever so pleased if he would buy it for them.

0:27:450:27:49

It's very, very pretty Edwardian design.

0:27:490:27:53

Without the particular combination of stones,

0:27:530:27:55

I would date this anyway, to around 1910.

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The suffragette thing adds some interest.

0:28:000:28:03

It doesn't really increase the value a lot,

0:28:030:28:05

it's just one of those curious little things that one likes to know about it.

0:28:050:28:09

Yes, yes.

0:28:090:28:10

So you've got peridots, which is a very pretty green stone,

0:28:100:28:14

amethyst as you say, and pearls - representing the white.

0:28:140:28:17

15 carat gold, quite delicately made on the back.

0:28:170:28:22

Yes, yes.

0:28:240:28:26

And value...

0:28:260:28:28

I would say a necklace like this today,

0:28:280:28:30

should be insured for about...

0:28:300:28:33

£3,500.

0:28:330:28:35

-Oh, gosh, as much as that? Really?

-Yeah, absolutely.

0:28:350:28:39

This is a nice photograph.

0:28:390:28:41

Is this elegant lady a member of your family?

0:28:410:28:43

No. She killed my mother's dog.

0:28:430:28:45

Oh, when was that?

0:28:450:28:47

Around about the 1920s, I believe.

0:28:470:28:51

My mother was taking her dog for a walk outside Buckingham Palace,

0:28:510:28:55

and she was riding past in her Rolls-Royce with her chauffeur

0:28:550:29:00

and she ran the dog over and then afterwards she sent my mother -

0:29:000:29:05

she was very sorry obviously -

0:29:050:29:07

and she sent my mother some money

0:29:070:29:09

and this picture of herself with her own dog.

0:29:090:29:11

Her own dog, who was well and alive.

0:29:110:29:13

-Yes.

-She meant well, but it kind of makes you think of...

0:29:130:29:17

Yes, it made... I think it's a funny thing to send a photograph of yourself with your own dog

0:29:170:29:22

-when you've killed somebody else's dog.

-To a bereaved owner!

0:29:220:29:26

The words "insult to injury" spring to mind, don't they?

0:29:260:29:29

It is, yes, yes.

0:29:290:29:31

It came from New York, and it was brought over by my great-grandmother

0:29:310:29:34

when she married her English husband,

0:29:340:29:37

to the horror of her family, because they were Dutch.

0:29:370:29:41

And they'd lived in New York for some time?

0:29:410:29:43

-Yes, it's an old Dutch family.

-Right.

0:29:430:29:47

Well, it's one of these great puzzles.

0:29:470:29:49

If you actually do investigation into the American Flag,

0:29:490:29:52

you come up with all sorts of fascinating rules and regulations.

0:29:520:29:56

Laws were passed in 1777,

0:29:560:29:59

which gave you 13 stripes and 13 stars.

0:29:590:30:02

-Yes.

-1794 it changed again, 1818 it changed again,

0:30:020:30:06

almost every President got his hands on the flag and changed it.

0:30:060:30:09

I'm pretty jolly certain,

0:30:090:30:11

looking at the silk and looking at the stitching,

0:30:110:30:14

that it's a piece of 18th century work.

0:30:140:30:16

-18th century?

-I think it dates from 1777,

0:30:160:30:18

we'll never know for sure without doing proper tests in a museum,

0:30:180:30:22

but I think it's a very old piece of hand-work.

0:30:220:30:25

Tiny stitches - they simply weren't done by a machine.

0:30:250:30:28

The most important thing is to conserve the silk,

0:30:280:30:30

It needs to go to a conservator.

0:30:300:30:32

Somebody needs to de-acidify it -

0:30:320:30:34

that's what's causing all these holes,

0:30:340:30:36

and the little discoloration there.

0:30:360:30:38

You could then reframe it on acid-free board,

0:30:380:30:40

put a proper frame round it, and it will give you pleasure for years.

0:30:400:30:44

Something like this, in an auction in America,

0:30:440:30:47

given the wild enthusiasm for American Folk Art that there is...

0:30:470:30:50

I think you're talking upwards of 5,000 dollars.

0:30:500:30:54

-Really?

-I think it is a major piece of American Folk Art history

0:30:540:30:57

and I think it could go through the roof if it came up for sale.

0:30:570:31:00

-Good heavens!

-It's a very exciting thing.

0:31:000:31:03

There are probably two which we've used in my time,

0:31:030:31:07

as minister at the Unitarian meeting house, which is these two.

0:31:070:31:10

The reason why it's difficult to use them a lot is because we can't keep them on the premises,

0:31:120:31:17

we have to keep them in a secure place.

0:31:170:31:19

It's a question of how easy the access is.

0:31:190:31:22

Right, this is fascinating,

0:31:220:31:24

because what we can see here is the secularisation of plate.

0:31:240:31:29

The fact that we've got what are essentially domestic drinking cups,

0:31:290:31:34

-being used for religious purposes.

-Yes, yes.

0:31:340:31:38

And particularly so, of course, within the Non-Conformist churches.

0:31:380:31:42

That's right. Well, of course the Dissenters

0:31:420:31:44

were the people who had been excluded from the Church of England.

0:31:440:31:48

So, as it were, they no longer had access

0:31:480:31:52

to their own historic church plate.

0:31:520:31:55

And so they had to come up with a new set, as it were.

0:31:550:31:59

And so for people to actually gift would have been...

0:31:590:32:03

I think it's lovely and we've got that here -

0:32:030:32:06

"the gift of Mary Beaumont January 13th 1786".

0:32:060:32:13

That's also interesting, because what we can see here is a cup

0:32:140:32:18

which, in fact, doesn't date from that period at all.

0:32:180:32:21

It's something that clearly, they've had in the household,

0:32:210:32:25

they've been using it as a domestic drinking cup

0:32:250:32:28

and then decided to gift it to the church.

0:32:280:32:31

Because this actually dates from the reign of Queen Anne.

0:32:310:32:34

It's a much, much earlier piece.

0:32:340:32:36

-Interesting.

-Which is your favourite?

0:32:360:32:38

Well, my favourite is this one.

0:32:380:32:40

The one with the...palm trees on it

0:32:400:32:44

and the rather strange little bird there with...like a crown.

0:32:440:32:47

Looks like a kingfisher, see?

0:32:470:32:50

-A bird with a crown, so it's a kingfisher.

-Absolutely.

0:32:500:32:53

It's very intriguing.

0:32:530:32:54

Is it something to do with Ipswich's maritime history?

0:32:540:32:57

There were people trading far and wide from Ipswich in those days.

0:32:570:33:00

It would be fascinating to find out whose coat of arms that is.

0:33:000:33:04

-Yes.

-And see whether that ties in with one of the early members of the congregation.

0:33:040:33:08

-It would be very interesting.

-I have to say it's my favourite.

0:33:080:33:12

These are very splendid but they're pretty standard cups of the period.

0:33:120:33:16

But this is the very special one.

0:33:160:33:20

The decoration here was highly fashionable in the 1680s.

0:33:200:33:26

It's actually known as chinoiserie.

0:33:260:33:28

The extraordinary thing about chinoiserie

0:33:280:33:32

is that very rarely is there anything much Chinese about it.

0:33:320:33:35

This is such a mishmash, really.

0:33:350:33:37

Everyone thinks of it as Chinese

0:33:370:33:39

-but you've got all these elements coming in from all sorts of places at this time.

-Exotica.

0:33:390:33:44

Well, you've got it, that's the very word.

0:33:440:33:47

In fact, from Turkey - that sort of area.

0:33:470:33:49

You would get elements...

0:33:490:33:50

There are Indian elements,

0:33:500:33:52

there are even Italian Renaissance elements.

0:33:520:33:54

The fountains are generally based on Italian Renaissance fountains.

0:33:540:33:59

It's wonderful because it's tying in with what we're seeing in Ipswich,

0:33:590:34:04

with the very international nature.

0:34:040:34:06

The maker's mark there - which you can see, just that one.

0:34:060:34:11

RC - now we know that he...

0:34:110:34:14

Known pieces by him date from the early 1680s to the early 1690s.

0:34:140:34:18

Of course one of the London makers,

0:34:180:34:20

as indeed they all are London pieces.

0:34:200:34:23

It's not surprising, because London would have been supplying this area.

0:34:230:34:28

But value-wise, I mean if we just sort of run through them...

0:34:280:34:32

This one's Queen Anne.

0:34:320:34:34

That, I would think today, you would have to insure for about £3,000.

0:34:350:34:41

Oh.

0:34:410:34:42

These two...

0:34:420:34:45

This one's by Francis Garthorne,

0:34:450:34:48

he was one of the royal goldsmiths.

0:34:480:34:50

Really?

0:34:500:34:51

It's not actually such a good cup as that one,

0:34:510:34:54

but again, a similar sort of figure.

0:34:540:34:56

This one's a little earlier,

0:34:560:35:00

this one's end of the 17th century.

0:35:000:35:03

Just that plainer form there,

0:35:030:35:06

but that, you would have to insure for about...

0:35:060:35:08

£4,000, £5,000.

0:35:080:35:12

This one - any thoughts?

0:35:140:35:17

Well, if that's £4,000, I suppose that one will be...

0:35:170:35:21

I suppose another thousand on top of that?

0:35:210:35:25

We're talking a wee bit more than that.

0:35:250:35:28

I would reckon at auction you'd be lucky to buy that under £50,000.

0:35:280:35:34

Really?!

0:35:340:35:36

Good heavens.

0:35:360:35:38

Is it Dr Who?

0:35:380:35:39

Well, he used to frighten me when I was younger.

0:35:390:35:42

-Do you think this is the cybermen, perhaps?

-Could be.

0:35:420:35:45

Looks quite like it.

0:35:450:35:46

Instrument of torture?

0:35:460:35:48

-Possibly.

-Neck manipulation?

0:35:480:35:50

-Could be.

-All of those.

0:35:500:35:52

Could be anything.

0:35:520:35:54

But where do you think we're going with a machine like this?

0:35:540:35:57

It's a very strange device. Give us a clue.

0:35:570:36:00

-It's a hair dryer.

-A hair dryer?

0:36:000:36:02

I wouldn't like to have mine...

0:36:020:36:04

Look what happened to me, that's when I used it!

0:36:040:36:06

So let's have a look.

0:36:060:36:08

-So, what you do is, you sit inside, do you?

-That's right.

0:36:080:36:11

Then the hot air comes through the tube.

0:36:110:36:14

That's right, and you have a towel placed over the top,

0:36:140:36:17

so that then it keeps the heat inside to dry your hair.

0:36:170:36:21

It's not for setting your hair, it's just a dryer.

0:36:210:36:24

No, just a dryer.

0:36:240:36:25

I used it even up to 1970

0:36:250:36:28

because I was born in '61.

0:36:280:36:29

I used it in 1970.

0:36:290:36:31

Sit down and show me what happens.

0:36:310:36:33

Sit underneath and then...

0:36:340:36:36

-Then bring it down.

-Bring it down.

0:36:360:36:37

Now, madam, what would you like today?

0:36:370:36:40

-Wash and set, please.

-Right.

0:36:400:36:41

I can't do the wash, but I can do the setting,

0:36:410:36:44

so I now turn the knobs, off we go, full heat.

0:36:440:36:46

And meanwhile you're sitting there. Now, how long did it take?

0:36:460:36:49

-Half an hour.

-Half an hour?

0:36:490:36:51

-Mm.

-Did you have lots of hair then?

-I did, I did.

0:36:510:36:54

And what does it take you now to dry your hair?

0:36:540:36:57

-Five minutes.

-Exactly, so technology has moved on.

0:36:570:37:00

-Has moved on.

-Now OK, you were using it in the '60s and '70s,

0:37:000:37:03

it's obviously much, much older than that.

0:37:030:37:06

-Mm.

-This sort of styling takes us back, certainly, to the 1930s.

0:37:060:37:10

At that point hair dryers were becoming the things they are now.

0:37:100:37:14

There are lots of early metal and Bakelite ones

0:37:140:37:16

which are the same sort of circular shape.

0:37:160:37:19

But they are, obviously, hand held.

0:37:190:37:21

This is obviously a commercial application of that.

0:37:210:37:24

At that point people did have very complicated hair arrangements -

0:37:240:37:28

Marcel waves and all those sort of things.

0:37:280:37:30

I can see you'd need a complicated machine.

0:37:300:37:33

What I like particularly about it is the design.

0:37:330:37:36

It's very aerodynamic and it looks like something, not out of space - it's pre-space.

0:37:360:37:40

It looks as though it should belong to an aeroplane or something -

0:37:400:37:44

this wonderful sort of round form...

0:37:440:37:46

You can see it as part of a piece of 1930s streamlined engineering.

0:37:460:37:51

And then this!

0:37:510:37:52

You know, I'm still overcome by this,

0:37:520:37:55

it's so sort of... It is outer space, isn't it?

0:37:550:37:57

-That's right.

-You're sitting under there...

0:37:570:38:00

-Are you actually having your brain re-joggled rather than your hair?

-That's right.

0:38:000:38:04

Well, value.

0:38:040:38:05

-Oh, God.

-I think, in the right market, we're looking at sort of £200, £300 to a collector.

0:38:080:38:13

-When are you going to see another one?

-Right.

0:38:130:38:15

So, where's the perch?

0:38:150:38:18

It never had a perch.

0:38:180:38:21

Where did it fly from?

0:38:210:38:23

It flew from the loft of an elderly relative.

0:38:230:38:27

When we were clearing out her house, we found it in the loft.

0:38:270:38:31

-So, it was just found?

-Yes, yes.

0:38:310:38:33

And now it lives with you?

0:38:330:38:35

Yes.

0:38:350:38:36

But it just lives on the sideboard, and we don't know what it is.

0:38:360:38:40

-Well...

-Apart from a whistle.

0:38:400:38:41

I was going to say you know that it's a whistle, of course you do.

0:38:410:38:45

HE MAKES BIRD CALLS

0:38:450:38:47

That tells you it's foreign - that isn't an English "cuckoo".

0:38:470:38:51

No, no, it's an "uck-coo".

0:38:510:38:53

Yes, well, it is a foreign bird and the material is porcelain.

0:38:530:38:56

It's a very grey porcelain.

0:38:560:38:58

if you look where the glaze meets the foot of the piece,

0:38:580:39:01

very grey, it's got lots of little specks in it.

0:39:010:39:03

Yes, very spotty.

0:39:030:39:05

It's quite crude, quite primitive porcelain.

0:39:050:39:07

Any idea where that's from?

0:39:070:39:09

Well, I should say China, but...

0:39:090:39:11

Well, we think of blue and white as being Chinese, principally.

0:39:110:39:15

But we shouldn't forget that other parts of Asia also followed suit eventually.

0:39:150:39:19

The Koreans eventually produced their own porcelain,

0:39:190:39:22

as did the Japanese in a much cruder lumpier form.

0:39:220:39:25

I think there's no doubt that this is actually Korean.

0:39:250:39:28

-Korean? That does surprise me.

-So, it's come an awfully long way.

0:39:280:39:33

It has, it has.

0:39:330:39:35

And it explains the Oriental accent.

0:39:350:39:38

Well, as far as I know, she never went to Korea.

0:39:380:39:40

No, but she went to auctions, presumably.

0:39:400:39:43

Well, her mother did.

0:39:430:39:45

-Do we know how much she might have paid?

-I haven't a clue, no.

0:39:450:39:48

If you saw that in an auction, what would you pay?

0:39:480:39:50

Perhaps £200, I don't know really.

0:39:500:39:52

-£200! Well you'd have a very good nose for a bargain.

-Oh.

0:39:520:39:58

I think it's a very rare object, it's almost certainly 18th century,

0:39:580:40:01

although Korean porcelain's quite difficult to date.

0:40:010:40:04

18th century? Korean.

0:40:040:40:06

It's crisp as the day it was made.

0:40:060:40:09

Yes, it is.

0:40:090:40:10

Shall we do a proper...?

0:40:100:40:12

HE MAKES CUCKOO NOISES

0:40:120:40:15

-That's better isn't it?

-Yes.

0:40:150:40:16

OK, and...

0:40:160:40:18

-Would it have just been a novelty in those days?

-Yes.

0:40:180:40:21

Or would it have been to attract another bird?

0:40:210:40:23

-I don't think it's a lure, no.

-No.

0:40:230:40:25

-I think that was a toy intended mainly for a young person.

-Oh.

0:40:250:40:30

And your £200 would be quite well spent

0:40:300:40:32

because I think in today's market

0:40:320:40:34

that would fetch between £3,000 and £5,000.

0:40:340:40:36

No! I don't believe this.

0:40:360:40:40

Honestly? I don't believe it.

0:40:400:40:43

It's a lovely Georgian leather-covered box.

0:40:430:40:46

It's Rundell, Bridge and Rundell,

0:40:460:40:48

the royal jewellers and silversmiths

0:40:480:40:51

and I thought these steel rimmed spectacles were particularly boring,

0:40:510:40:55

but you've got a bit of family history to tell me about them...

0:40:550:40:59

They've been handed down from three great-great-grandfathers.

0:40:590:41:03

We have a note saying they probably belonged to Napoleon.

0:41:030:41:07

Now looking through our family history,

0:41:070:41:10

we know that one of the Bunburys worked in the War Office

0:41:100:41:14

and certainly came into contact with Napoleon.

0:41:140:41:17

-Yes.

-In 1815.

-Well...

0:41:170:41:21

That is absolutely riveting because I've recently been to St Helena,

0:41:210:41:26

and I've been tracking down some of Napoleon's artefacts.

0:41:260:41:29

I also have discovered that Sir Henry Bunbury -

0:41:290:41:34

your ancestor -

0:41:340:41:37

was told by the War Office to go to Plymouth in 1815

0:41:370:41:43

and tell Napoleon that he was going to be incarcerated on St Helena.

0:41:430:41:47

He went in July 1815 and he told Napoleon that,

0:41:470:41:50

and Napoleon immediately protested!

0:41:500:41:52

He said, "I don't want to go to St Helena",

0:41:520:41:54

"if you send me to St Helena I shall be dead in three months".

0:41:540:41:58

And Sir Henry Bunbury -

0:41:580:42:00

your ancestor - resisted that plea.

0:42:000:42:03

On the 7th August 1815, Napoleon was shoved on HMS Northumberland

0:42:030:42:08

and was sent 4,500 miles to St Helena.

0:42:080:42:14

So if your family history says

0:42:140:42:18

that this boring pair of steel spectacles belonged to Napoleon...

0:42:180:42:24

that means these boring steel spectacles are rather important.

0:42:240:42:28

Well, I must say I have used them on occasions.

0:42:280:42:31

-Have you?

-They're far better...

0:42:310:42:33

than my specs which I normally wear.

0:42:330:42:36

What I suspect had happened, therefore,

0:42:360:42:38

was that your ancestor was on board Her Majesty's Ship

0:42:380:42:41

and Napoleon, for all we know,

0:42:410:42:43

could have flung these on the ground

0:42:430:42:47

and been hysterical about being sent to St Helena.

0:42:470:42:50

I suppose Sir Henry Bunbury

0:42:500:42:51

picked the steel spectacles up

0:42:510:42:53

and went off with them as a little trophy of his day out to Plymouth.

0:42:530:42:57

I hope people don't think too badly about the family, in that case.

0:42:570:43:00

Well, there we are.

0:43:000:43:01

Here we've got a pair of steel spectacles...

0:43:010:43:06

that, ordinarily, would be worth probably about £50. £30 to £50.

0:43:060:43:11

A few months ago I saw a shard of wallpaper

0:43:110:43:16

which was sold in an English auction house

0:43:160:43:18

that had been taken from the wall of the house he lived in, in St Helena.

0:43:180:43:23

-and that shard of wallpaper had sold for £1,500.

-Yes.

0:43:230:43:27

Just a little sliver of paper.

0:43:270:43:29

So, I have a funny feeling that this pair of spectacles,

0:43:290:43:33

ordinarily worth £30 to £40 -

0:43:330:43:37

but because they've been on Old Boney's hooter -

0:43:370:43:40

are probably worth somewhere in the region of £1,000.

0:43:400:43:43

Really?

0:43:430:43:44

-Really.

-Oh.

0:43:440:43:46

Well, I won't take them to the office in future.

0:43:460:43:50

Well, it's quietening down a bit here now

0:43:500:43:53

but it really has been the most amazingly busy day.

0:43:530:43:56

Someone worked out that 2,000 people came through the doors

0:43:560:43:59

and between them they brought more than 15,000 items for our experts to consider.

0:43:590:44:04

But for now, from the Corn Exchange in Ipswich, goodbye.

0:44:040:44:08

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