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This week, the Roadshow's heading east - | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
or if you prefer it - to the starboard side of England. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
To reach our destination, we've come by boat for a very good reason - | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
there's a lot of water around here. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
This was one of the first, and one of the busiest ports in Britain. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
Today, Ipswich takes good care of its pleasure boaters, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
but the quay-side here has known frantic activity | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
in its ancient role as East Anglia's gateway to Europe and beyond. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
And the profits that rolled in from a brisk trade in wool, textiles, grain and fish, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
made this one of the wealthiest corners of the country. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Merchants with loads of money | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
wasted no time in getting onto the property ladder. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Even Chaucer's Canterbury Tales talked about the "rich merchants of Ipswich". | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
But, of course, not everyone was earning an honest penny. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
In the 18th century, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
Suffolk smugglers were as bold and as busy a bunch as you'd find anywhere. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
There were reports of secret tunnels running underneath the town, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
down to the port. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
This part of Suffolk also boasts a long line of explorers. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
They played their part in opening up the world, and along the way, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
they brought home some fascinating souvenirs. Magic! | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
But one of the museum's most prized exhibits is this. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
It's a fork, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
and it was used by Fijian cannibals | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
to eat a missionary. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
That was back in 1867. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
Perhaps they could swap it for one of his old boots, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
which is at the moment on display in a museum in Fiji. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
So, a place of explorers, smugglers and maritime traders. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
Perhaps these are clues to some of the treasures we may unearth in Ipswich today. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Let's find out, as we head for the Roadshow in the town's Corn Exchange. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
My father, his hobby was firearms - antique firearms | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
and gun-dealing and what have you. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
All sorts of bits and pieces used to come through the house. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
One day these came through and he decided to hold on to them. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
-He'd never seen anything quite like them before. -No, no. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
My understanding was that to try and get an idea of what this was about, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
he gave them to the British Museum. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
When they were returned, the British Museum asked for them to be donated. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:20 | |
But that never happened. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
-He kept them? -He kept them. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
Well, I think I would keep them as well - they are beautiful. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
The flint napping of that is absolutely beautiful. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
The work, I mean carving out those little, tiny serrated edges... | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
These are just marvellous. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
They're mind bending, aren't they? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
And if you hold them, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
they will actually fit your hand. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
Fits the hand, yes. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
I've seen a flint napper at work, you know, a modern one. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
And to see them working on this edge of these things... | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
It's sharp as a razor, that, isn't it? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
-It would cut you to... -Yes. Phenomenal. -Rally phenomenal. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
These are, of course, in flint or chert and are not unusual. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
I mean they're really quite common, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
but this one here - it's obsidian, isn't it? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
Yes, I understood it to be volcanic glass. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
-Volcanic glass - obsidian. -Yes. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Well, the most incredible obsidian work was done in Mexico. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
They made some fantastic things in obsidian. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
I was told that that was South American. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
-Yes, South American or Central American. -Yes. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
I think I'd go along with that. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
I mean, obsidian occurs naturally | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
in Central and South America. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
I would imagine it hails from there. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
But the work is beautiful. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
-Can I take this out? -Yes, you can. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
This is gorgeous. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
-Yes. -We must be looking, I don't know... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
It's certainly prehistoric, isn't it? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
I mean, it must go back... | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
If this is Mexican or South American, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
it will be certainly two or three thousand years old. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:58 | |
These flint ones... | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
These will be probably even earlier than that. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
This could be for ceremonial purposes. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
These flint pieces are often found in gravel beds, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
-or in a domestic setting. -Really? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Prehistoric time, of course. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
But a piece of obsidian like this, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
I should think is more likely to have come from a tomb. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
Sort of Indiana Jones type of thing? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Yes...the Temple of Doom! | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Yes, quite. Marvellous, isn't it? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
They don't fetch a huge amount of money, flint. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
I suppose one's looking... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
I mean, it could be anywhere from £300, £400, £500 apiece, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
something like that. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
-They do crop up at auctions. -Right. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
But what doesn't crop up at auctions, is an obsidian piece. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
I mean that is mind bending, I've never actually handled one before. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
So, it's fantastic to be able to... | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
be able to handle it. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
I don't know what it's worth. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
Good. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Any guess will be almost possible. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Perhaps for insurance, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
I think you should be looking at something like about £5,000. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
-Right. -It's not necessarily that if it came up at auction. -Yes. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
But for comfort and insurance, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
in the hope of getting another one if that was to go... | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
-perhaps £5,000. -Really? | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
What do you think this is? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
-It's a sextant. -No. -No? | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
It's an octant. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
I don't know what it is, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
so I must agree. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
It's the same instrument, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:32 | |
I'm just being pedantic. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
It's a question of the area of a circle. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
Basically, a sextant is a sixth and an octant is an eighth. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
-So, technically, this is an eighth of a circle. -Oh, right. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
-It does exactly the same... -Thing. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
..thing. It's for navigation, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
it's for the horizon, for telling...setting the time. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
But it's actually an octant. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
The octant was an earlier instrument than the sextant, originally. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
This one, we can probably date quite accurately. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
Now, it's made of ebony - it's got ivory scales - | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
but it's also got a signature. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
The signature is "Spencer, Browning and Rust of London". | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-Yes. -Yes. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
And they were in business, I think, from 1784 to 1840. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:19 | |
But the box... And this is actually rather rare. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
The box has got this fantastic trade label | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
of "Mr T Jennings, carver and gilder of looking-glasses and picture-frame maker", | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
who appears - if you read through what he did - he did everything. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
Yes. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:35 | |
But his dates, I think... | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
-end in 1830-1844. -Yes. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
So the only period when they coincide, is the years 1830-1840. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
-Yes. -So that means the date has got to be between 1830 and 1840. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:56 | |
-Yes. -Now, can you tell me anything about where you came upon it? | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
-It's been in the family for years. -Oh, it's been in the family? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
-Yes. -Oh, yes. -My father's people were water people. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
They used to sail to Australia, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
and of course, they were on the water three or four months at a time, in them days. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:17 | |
Because we're going back to the 19th... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
Well, I'm one of those people who has to admit that when... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
-I don't think of Ipswich as being a port town. -No, no. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
When you look on the map, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
it doesn't appear to be close to the sea. But of course, it is. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
-Yes, yes. -So, was it out of Ipswich that the family sailed? | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
They did sail from Ipswich | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
because I've checked some of those at the records office. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
-So is this the man who...? -That's right. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
-This is your...? -Grandfather. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-Grandfather. -Yes. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
-And these are the papers which...? -Yes. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
They're basically - as far as I can tell - they're discharge papers. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Presumably, when you came off a particular voyage, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
-you were actually given a discharge from on board that ship. -Yes, yes. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
And this one, here is actually 14th June 1873, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
and they appear to be of the 1870s. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Yes, and of course they used to go gold-panning on the Gold Coast. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
Oh, really? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
-That's one of those certificates to confirm that. -Oh, this one? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
Somewhere there. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
"County of Westland, miner's right." | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
That's fantastic. So he wasn't just a sailor? When he got there he... | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
Well, he was shipwrecked at some stage. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
We don't really know when he was shipwrecked. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
Well, it's a fascinating story, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
and I have to say the story makes the instrument. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
They're not desperately rare. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
This one is in very good condition, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
the ivory's not cracked, the lacquer's good. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
It's bent up the side there, but that's not a problem. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
It has the original box... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
and therefore I think I'd value the instrument on its own | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
at somewhere between £600 and £800. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
But with the family history - | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
which is priceless - | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
it could be substantially more than that. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
-Oh. -Yes, yes. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
Well, what starts off as a very, very ordinary scrap album - | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
on typically rather poor paper - | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
it's all breaking here, it's all become rigid. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
It suddenly blossoms with these two, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
which are absolutely fantastic. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
I don't think I've ever seen those before. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
Mind you, I'm not the greatest connoisseur of these... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
This wonderful one of the Tower of London... | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Then we've got Westminster Abbey... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
..with St Paul's on the other side. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
I assume that's the Bank of England or somewhere like that. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
But as we go further into it, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
there are some fantastic things. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
-These were never stuck in? -No. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
You start off with scenes from Dickens, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
which I think is absolutely tremendous. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
Two, and then these ones here - three, four. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
Those two - five, six... | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Then this fabulous array, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
now these are superb. | 0:10:58 | 0:10:59 | |
Where do these all come from? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
It was a donation that was brought into the Salvation Army charity shop. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
Yes. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
So, what is the destination of them? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Well, to get the very best price we can, for the shop. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
That is absolutely wonderful. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
Occasionally one sees the odd clown. Very desirable, I should think. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
I mean - those alone - I reckon would be worth... | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
I don't know, £100. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Really? I've actually had somebody that's interested in those, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
he has said that he would offer £50. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
But if you value them at more than that... | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
-I think he should go on a bit further than that. -Right. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
And after all, it is for charity, isn't it? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
And this one, which is actually my favourite, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
which is in commemoration | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
of the jubilee of Queen Victoria. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
12 reliefs portraying the various deeds of daring valour - | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
the heroes of the Victoria Cross. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Here it is, this is just incredible, this is completely uncut. | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
It goes on and on and on. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
These are just absolutely delicious. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
The colours are beautiful. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
Isn't the colour absolutely fantastic? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
What was the purpose of doing something like this? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
Well, these were done mostly late 19th century, for children to cut up | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
and put in their scrap-books to stick down. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
All of these would have been cut? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
They would have been cut out, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
you would have gone to your stationers, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
or newsagent, or whoever was selling these | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
and you would buy them and you would give them to your... | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
nephew or your niece or your son or your daughter. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
They would spend a very quiet Saturday cutting them out, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
and not going out playing games! | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
But they are incredible and it is so noticeable how bright they are. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
It's because they haven't been stuck in - | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
there's been no nasty glue on the back of them, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
which would have rotted them, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
or in some cases rotted them, anyway. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Thank goodness they haven't been put into this particular album - | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
they are just too good. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
I think you should do very well for your charity. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
There is a society called The Ephemera Society | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
which actually has fairs | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
where people bring along scraps and sell them, or trade them. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
That may well be a place where you could find people | 0:13:18 | 0:13:24 | |
to get the best price. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I would have thought you've got at least £500, if not more. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
This is a lovely watercolour, or gouache I'd say, by Frank Henry Mason. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
I know him really... Well, he is a marine painter | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
and he painted in both oils and watercolours | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
and he did poster work as well. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-He painted a lot for advertising. -Oh. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
And because it's been painted in gouache, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
which is a form of watercolour - very chalky. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
-Yes. -Creamy - it doesn't fade, it's very strong. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
It's like body colour... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
This sort of thing with posters - | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
that's the technique and medium that poster artists use. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
It's so strongly painted - | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
you get a fantastic composition of the sea, here, with the colours - | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
light blues and aquamarine blues | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
and the good stormy sky. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
It's almost better than watercolour, being in gouache - | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
it's much more dramatic. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
But this is an unusual example, it's of a torpedo boat in the Boer War. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:21 | |
So, was one of your family involved in this? | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Yes, my grandfather was on board this torpedo boat as a warrant officer. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
-Yes. -They were sailing important dispatches down to Simonstown, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
and the propeller broke. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
He had, of course, been to sea under sail and, as I understand it, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
he was instrumental in getting out all the ship's canvas | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
and rigging up sails so that she could be sailed into Saldanha Bay. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
What happened to him? Did he get promoted? What happened after that? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Yes, he was mentioned in dispatches to the Admiralty | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
because of what he'd done. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
In fact, he was the first rating in the navy, ever to be promoted to a commissioned rank. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
-Fantastic. -Yes. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
And he carried on in the navy? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
He did indeed, he retired in the late 1920s - in fact, as a rear admiral. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:15 | |
Really? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
And was knighted in the King George V coronation honours. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
That is a wonderful story. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
It's such a personal thing because, when you're asked to value this, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
-money's immaterial. -Absolutely. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
It's such a lovely picture, and a lovely story to go with it. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
It almost belongs in the Greenwich Maritime Museum. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
-Oh. -Well, you should cover it for insurance. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
I would suggest probably an insurance price of about £5,000. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
-Thank you so much. -But it's a lovely picture. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Good, thank you very much. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
So, what can you tell me about this little box? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
Well, I've known it all my life - | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
my mother used to have several little boxes around the house. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
When she died, my brother, sister and myself decided to take a couple each. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
That was one of the ones I chose. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
-Do you love it to bits? -I think it's sweet. -So do I. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
The first thing is that it's made of yew wood, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
one of my favourite timbers. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
It looks exactly like a tea caddy, doesn't it? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
Yes, it does, indeed. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
I mean it's got a hinge - two hinges on the back - | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
and this line, which runs around the middle - | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
it looks as if that's a hinged lid. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
-But try as you might, you can't get it to open. -That's right. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
Because the hinge bit's all dummy. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
You've got these strips of ebony which are inlaid. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
Very high quality and beautiful ebony | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
and a lovely shield-shaped, brass escutcheon - great isn't it? | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
It's lovely, yes. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
So then you think, "This is very frustrating, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
"why won't this box open?" | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
-Yeah. -Brilliant! | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
-Shall I give away the secret? -Why not? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
All your treasures are going to be at risk now. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
You take that end ring handle, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
you give it a quarter of a turn downwards, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
you then try and slide it back | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
but before you can slide it back properly, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
you have to release this catch, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
which is the spigot in the middle of that lock, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
slide that back, lift it up quarter of a turn | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
and remove the roof - and there it is. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
The most beautifully made, oak-lined, little sarcophagus | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
with these lovely, late Georgian brass fittings, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
for the secret devices. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Dare I ask what you keep inside it? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
I don't think you'd better because we are the BBC after all, aren't we? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
Oh, dear. I see, it's one of those sort of boxes, is it? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
And what do you think it's worth? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
I would have no idea at all. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
Um, no, I don't, I'm hoping you'll be able to tell me. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
I can give you a rough idea. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
They're very difficult to value, these little novelty boxes. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
But tea caddies - of which it's a type - | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
are very much sought after, and it's a delightful little box. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
I can see this making between £600 and £800 on the market. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
Gosh, no, I didn't think anything as much as that. That's amazing. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
Are you sure? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Well, we've clocked up a few more miles in our nationwide search | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
for the top collector and this week's contender is David Cook. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
As a stockbroker, one would imagine you would collect used fivers, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
but you are a Dinky man. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:22 | |
What an array! How many have you got? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
5,000. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
-5,000? -5,000, yes. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
-And how many have you brought along today? -About 500. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
And how did this obsession start? | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
When I was 5, so I've been collecting for 55 years. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
How did... Who put you onto them? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
My grandfather, he just said, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
"Christmas, David, and we'll pop down to the toy shop | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
"and I've got ten shillings - you can choose whatever Dinky toys..." | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
Because he knew I was fascinated by transport. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
"..buy any Dinky toys you want for ten bob as long as you don't go..." | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
So I bought four, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
four of those little ones down the front there - | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
which is my own collection. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
Those are your first boyhood toys? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
-Yes, they were half a crown each. -That's a lot of money. -It was. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
I think it was probably his week's wage. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
And do they remain your favourites? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
In a way, at the time. But of course they became a lot more sophisticated. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
Then I discovered there were older and rarer ones. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
Which is the oldest one here, then? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
The little red sports car. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
-Ah. -That one, yes. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
That's the oldest one? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
That's the oldest one here. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
And is it one of the oldest ever made? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
Yes, it is the first one that Dinky ever made - number 22A. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
That was the number of it, and it was issued in 1934. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
And this, I have to say, has a personal... | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
Rings a personal bell for me, because that's my local store. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
-Yes. -Is this a special one? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
That is a reproduction, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
because an original would set you back, Michael... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
-£12,000. -12,000?! | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
£12,000. There are only three known in the world, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
and it's reckoned that they made about 100 of them, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
just for Bentall's store in Kingston-on-Thames. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
This Foden here, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
in a different colour - in the maroon colour with that design - | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
that sold for £12,000 last year. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
-12! -A mint, boxed one and that is quite rare | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
because they only made it for nine months. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
What is the greatest triumph you've had, as a collector? | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
The year my son was born, in 1972, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
we went on holiday to Snowdonia - stayed in a cottage. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
One day it was raining, we went to Conwy and found an old toy shop. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
In the toy shop was that Bedford coal truck down there, the bright red one, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
The toy shop was called Gilbert Emery. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
I think it was 35 pence or something like that. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
I filled the boot of my car with these Dinky toys | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
because they were all, at that stage, obsolete. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Sounds like a mirage. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
It was wonderful! I was in heaven. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Well, when you started collecting, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
could it just as well have been cigarette cards? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
You didn't know these were going to be worth thousands of pounds. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
I'm not only a collector, I'm a hoarder. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
I collected cigarette cards too | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
and I've still got my cigarette card collection, but this is my passion. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
You've mentioned some astonishing sums of money here today. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
Which is the most valuable of all these you've got? | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
Well, I think it's this Weetabix van, here. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Why? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Because it's the factory prototype. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
You may look on the other side - | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
you can see "Weetabix" on that side - | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
if you turn it round, it's blank. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
It was prepared for the directors of Meccano, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
to ask them if they thought it was a good model to make, to manufacture. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
So what does that mean, if this is unique? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
It is, absolutely. There's not another one in the world like it. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
And what does that mean in terms of its value? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
-Its value is priceless, Michael. -Priceless? -Priceless. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
How interesting. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
Michael, Michael... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
When I saw them bringing this in... four men carried this in. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
-It's obviously part of the whole suite. -It is. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
When we bought it, we moved it in ourselves, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
and I've certainly still got the bad back from that! | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
-How long ago was that? -Seven years ago. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
I mean, four men carried it in - without the drawers - | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
but what they probably hadn't realised... | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
is this. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
As you know - your secret wine cellar. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
We couldn't find any wine to put in there... | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
And this idea of a lead-lined - or in this case zinc-lined... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Oh, OK, yes. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
-For bottles, so you put the ice in there. -Ice in there. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
To keep the champagne, in your case, or cheap white wine in mine... | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Water. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:42 | |
Water, yes... | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
That's what these were made for and what's interesting is, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-it's a 1920-1930 suite of furniture. -OK. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
But this is exactly how they made them in the 18th century | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
So the ideas carried on for 200 years. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
But the sheer quality of this is amazing. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
It's got a mixture of the Gothic - | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
because it's a sideboard for keeping the wine - | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
the vine and grapes there, the vine leaves | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
and then here the Elizabethan... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
Rather a mixture, Elizabethan, Jacobean-type decoration, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
it's very eclectic, very muddled in its style. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
But my gosh, it's well made! | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
And, you know, it's obviously by a very good maker. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
-Right. -Do you know who it's by? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
-Waring and Gillow I understand. -Right, there's a label somewhere? | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
In the top drawer. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
This one? Left-hand side. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
-Lift up the... -Oh, yeah. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
So it's Waring and Gillow, Lancaster factory. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
So, we know it was made in Lancaster. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
Most of their furniture was made in Lancaster. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
And shipped down to wherever, normally London - | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
where they had a big shop in Oxford Street. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
OK. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:48 | |
And the whole thing is made of oak - | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
solid oak drawer linings, handmade dovetails. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
That's just incredible workmanship. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
When we do go round researching the furniture, | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
we do see suites like this quite commonly. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
-Right. -And people often say to us "Why don't you have a suite like this on the Antiques Roadshow?" | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
We see too many and they're often not of the very best quality. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
There is a dividing line, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
and here is the zenith, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:13 | |
the summit of the best quality of this type of dining room suite. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
-It just fitted what we wanted. -What's interesting about this... | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
I mean, when you bought this, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
it was slightly sort of at the tail end of being old-fashioned. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
I'm not being rude about your taste | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
but generally, it was very much Granny's old-fashioned furniture. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
But it's now coming back into fashion - | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
slowly but surely, people appreciate this sort of craftsmanship. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
And that's why, if you can afford it, always buy the best, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
Granny always knew best, I think. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
Knew what she was spending her money on, didn't have money to waste. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
I think that this is 1930ish, part of the suite | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
and I think that the chairs are probably even later, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
probably post Second World War, even as late as 1950. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
And made to match? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Made to match or made by the same company, the same factory, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
-in a similar style, so they may never have been together. -Oh. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
Till we bought them as... | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
Until you bought them, or possibly somebody had these in the 1930s. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
After the war they wanted some more chairs for whatever reason. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
-And they went back... -Back to the shop. -..to the same shop. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
-How many of the chairs do you have? -Four chairs, two carvers. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
You bought it seven years ago, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
obviously you're going to know what you paid. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-Do you remember? -I paid £1,500 for it at the time. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
-Well, I think in this country it's undervalued... -Right. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
-..today, at £5,000. -Right. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
When you go around the USA, North America, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
this is always in a very popular style, very popular indeed. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
I can see this in US dollars being up to 20,000, 25,000 US dollars. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:52 | |
So, certainly double the price it's worth here. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
-You've got to ship it over there. It's not worth it... -No. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
It makes it difficult to know what to value it for | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
or what to insure it for. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
But I would expect today, as I said, £5,000 in a shop and going up. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
That is a surprise. A very big surprise. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
It was my mother's - | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
my father gave it to my mother on the occasion of their wedding. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
-Right, when about would that have been? -That's 1948. -Right. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
But my father said it was old then. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
-Yes. -And quite valuable, but he didn't tell me how valuable. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
-Yes, yes. -He bought it in Ipswich, didn't he? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
He bought it in Ipswich, yes. It's still in its original box. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
The colour combination of white, green and purple | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
indicates that it was a suffragette piece. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
-Oh. -Oh, really? Oh. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
And the story goes that it's | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
"Green, Violet and White" - "Give Votes to Women" | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
or "Green, White, Violet"- "Give Women Votes". | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
-Right. -So this was produced during the suffragette period | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
and, of course, Emmeline Pankhurst was the great suffragette. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:05 | |
It was a brief and fairly violent period, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
I think just up to, and during, the First World War. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
It's really quite comparatively rare. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
But it's something that you do see, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
but people don't very often appreciate the significance of it, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
and there's another interesting facet of this - | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
it could be a bit like the school tie. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Women would recognise other women | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
who were wearing this type of jewellery - | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
they'd all be members of the club. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
-Right. -Oh, right, yes. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
There might have been some manipulation involved here - | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
women at this period didn't buy their own jewellery. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
They'd have to tell their husbands that they really loved the colours | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
and they'd be ever so pleased if he would buy it for them. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
It's very, very pretty Edwardian design. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Without the particular combination of stones, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
I would date this anyway, to around 1910. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:00 | |
The suffragette thing adds some interest. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
It doesn't really increase the value a lot, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
it's just one of those curious little things that one likes to know about it. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
So you've got peridots, which is a very pretty green stone, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
amethyst as you say, and pearls - representing the white. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
15 carat gold, quite delicately made on the back. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
And value... | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
I would say a necklace like this today, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
should be insured for about... | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
£3,500. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
-Oh, gosh, as much as that? Really? -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
This is a nice photograph. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Is this elegant lady a member of your family? | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
No. She killed my mother's dog. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Oh, when was that? | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
Around about the 1920s, I believe. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
My mother was taking her dog for a walk outside Buckingham Palace, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
and she was riding past in her Rolls-Royce with her chauffeur | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
and she ran the dog over and then afterwards she sent my mother - | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
she was very sorry obviously - | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
and she sent my mother some money | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
and this picture of herself with her own dog. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
Her own dog, who was well and alive. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
-Yes. -She meant well, but it kind of makes you think of... | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
Yes, it made... I think it's a funny thing to send a photograph of yourself with your own dog | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
-when you've killed somebody else's dog. -To a bereaved owner! | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
The words "insult to injury" spring to mind, don't they? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
It is, yes, yes. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
It came from New York, and it was brought over by my great-grandmother | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
when she married her English husband, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
to the horror of her family, because they were Dutch. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
And they'd lived in New York for some time? | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
-Yes, it's an old Dutch family. -Right. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
Well, it's one of these great puzzles. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
If you actually do investigation into the American Flag, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
you come up with all sorts of fascinating rules and regulations. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Laws were passed in 1777, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
which gave you 13 stripes and 13 stars. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
-Yes. -1794 it changed again, 1818 it changed again, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
almost every President got his hands on the flag and changed it. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
I'm pretty jolly certain, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
looking at the silk and looking at the stitching, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
that it's a piece of 18th century work. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
-18th century? -I think it dates from 1777, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
we'll never know for sure without doing proper tests in a museum, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
but I think it's a very old piece of hand-work. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
Tiny stitches - they simply weren't done by a machine. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
The most important thing is to conserve the silk, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
It needs to go to a conservator. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
Somebody needs to de-acidify it - | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
that's what's causing all these holes, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
and the little discoloration there. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
You could then reframe it on acid-free board, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
put a proper frame round it, and it will give you pleasure for years. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Something like this, in an auction in America, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
given the wild enthusiasm for American Folk Art that there is... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
I think you're talking upwards of 5,000 dollars. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
-Really? -I think it is a major piece of American Folk Art history | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and I think it could go through the roof if it came up for sale. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
-Good heavens! -It's a very exciting thing. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
There are probably two which we've used in my time, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
as minister at the Unitarian meeting house, which is these two. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
The reason why it's difficult to use them a lot is because we can't keep them on the premises, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
we have to keep them in a secure place. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
It's a question of how easy the access is. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
Right, this is fascinating, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
because what we can see here is the secularisation of plate. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
The fact that we've got what are essentially domestic drinking cups, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
-being used for religious purposes. -Yes, yes. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
And particularly so, of course, within the Non-Conformist churches. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
That's right. Well, of course the Dissenters | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
were the people who had been excluded from the Church of England. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
So, as it were, they no longer had access | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
to their own historic church plate. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
And so they had to come up with a new set, as it were. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
And so for people to actually gift would have been... | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
I think it's lovely and we've got that here - | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
"the gift of Mary Beaumont January 13th 1786". | 0:32:06 | 0:32:13 | |
That's also interesting, because what we can see here is a cup | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
which, in fact, doesn't date from that period at all. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
It's something that clearly, they've had in the household, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
they've been using it as a domestic drinking cup | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
and then decided to gift it to the church. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
Because this actually dates from the reign of Queen Anne. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
It's a much, much earlier piece. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
-Interesting. -Which is your favourite? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
Well, my favourite is this one. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
The one with the...palm trees on it | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
and the rather strange little bird there with...like a crown. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Looks like a kingfisher, see? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
-A bird with a crown, so it's a kingfisher. -Absolutely. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
It's very intriguing. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
Is it something to do with Ipswich's maritime history? | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
There were people trading far and wide from Ipswich in those days. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
It would be fascinating to find out whose coat of arms that is. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
-Yes. -And see whether that ties in with one of the early members of the congregation. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
-It would be very interesting. -I have to say it's my favourite. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
These are very splendid but they're pretty standard cups of the period. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
But this is the very special one. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
The decoration here was highly fashionable in the 1680s. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
It's actually known as chinoiserie. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
The extraordinary thing about chinoiserie | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
is that very rarely is there anything much Chinese about it. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
This is such a mishmash, really. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
Everyone thinks of it as Chinese | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
-but you've got all these elements coming in from all sorts of places at this time. -Exotica. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
Well, you've got it, that's the very word. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
In fact, from Turkey - that sort of area. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
You would get elements... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
There are Indian elements, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
there are even Italian Renaissance elements. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
The fountains are generally based on Italian Renaissance fountains. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
It's wonderful because it's tying in with what we're seeing in Ipswich, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
with the very international nature. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
The maker's mark there - which you can see, just that one. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
RC - now we know that he... | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Known pieces by him date from the early 1680s to the early 1690s. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
Of course one of the London makers, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
as indeed they all are London pieces. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
It's not surprising, because London would have been supplying this area. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:28 | |
But value-wise, I mean if we just sort of run through them... | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
This one's Queen Anne. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
That, I would think today, you would have to insure for about £3,000. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:41 | |
Oh. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
These two... | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
This one's by Francis Garthorne, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
he was one of the royal goldsmiths. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Really? | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
It's not actually such a good cup as that one, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
but again, a similar sort of figure. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
This one's a little earlier, | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
this one's end of the 17th century. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Just that plainer form there, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
but that, you would have to insure for about... | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
£4,000, £5,000. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
This one - any thoughts? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Well, if that's £4,000, I suppose that one will be... | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
I suppose another thousand on top of that? | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
We're talking a wee bit more than that. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
I would reckon at auction you'd be lucky to buy that under £50,000. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
Really?! | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
Good heavens. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Is it Dr Who? | 0:35:38 | 0:35:39 | |
Well, he used to frighten me when I was younger. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
-Do you think this is the cybermen, perhaps? -Could be. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Looks quite like it. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
Instrument of torture? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
-Possibly. -Neck manipulation? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
-Could be. -All of those. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Could be anything. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
But where do you think we're going with a machine like this? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
It's a very strange device. Give us a clue. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
-It's a hair dryer. -A hair dryer? | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
I wouldn't like to have mine... | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Look what happened to me, that's when I used it! | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
So let's have a look. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
-So, what you do is, you sit inside, do you? -That's right. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
Then the hot air comes through the tube. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
That's right, and you have a towel placed over the top, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
so that then it keeps the heat inside to dry your hair. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
It's not for setting your hair, it's just a dryer. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
No, just a dryer. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
I used it even up to 1970 | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
because I was born in '61. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:29 | |
I used it in 1970. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Sit down and show me what happens. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Sit underneath and then... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
-Then bring it down. -Bring it down. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
Now, madam, what would you like today? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-Wash and set, please. -Right. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
I can't do the wash, but I can do the setting, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
so I now turn the knobs, off we go, full heat. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
And meanwhile you're sitting there. Now, how long did it take? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
-Half an hour. -Half an hour? | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
-Mm. -Did you have lots of hair then? -I did, I did. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
And what does it take you now to dry your hair? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
-Five minutes. -Exactly, so technology has moved on. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
-Has moved on. -Now OK, you were using it in the '60s and '70s, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
it's obviously much, much older than that. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
-Mm. -This sort of styling takes us back, certainly, to the 1930s. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
At that point hair dryers were becoming the things they are now. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
There are lots of early metal and Bakelite ones | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
which are the same sort of circular shape. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
But they are, obviously, hand held. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
This is obviously a commercial application of that. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
At that point people did have very complicated hair arrangements - | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
Marcel waves and all those sort of things. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
I can see you'd need a complicated machine. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
What I like particularly about it is the design. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
It's very aerodynamic and it looks like something, not out of space - it's pre-space. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
It looks as though it should belong to an aeroplane or something - | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
this wonderful sort of round form... | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
You can see it as part of a piece of 1930s streamlined engineering. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
And then this! | 0:37:51 | 0:37:52 | |
You know, I'm still overcome by this, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
it's so sort of... It is outer space, isn't it? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
-That's right. -You're sitting under there... | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
-Are you actually having your brain re-joggled rather than your hair? -That's right. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
Well, value. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
-Oh, God. -I think, in the right market, we're looking at sort of £200, £300 to a collector. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
-When are you going to see another one? -Right. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
So, where's the perch? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
It never had a perch. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
Where did it fly from? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
It flew from the loft of an elderly relative. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
When we were clearing out her house, we found it in the loft. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
-So, it was just found? -Yes, yes. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
And now it lives with you? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
Yes. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
But it just lives on the sideboard, and we don't know what it is. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
-Well... -Apart from a whistle. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:41 | |
I was going to say you know that it's a whistle, of course you do. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
HE MAKES BIRD CALLS | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
That tells you it's foreign - that isn't an English "cuckoo". | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
No, no, it's an "uck-coo". | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Yes, well, it is a foreign bird and the material is porcelain. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
It's a very grey porcelain. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
if you look where the glaze meets the foot of the piece, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
very grey, it's got lots of little specks in it. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
Yes, very spotty. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
It's quite crude, quite primitive porcelain. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Any idea where that's from? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
Well, I should say China, but... | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
Well, we think of blue and white as being Chinese, principally. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
But we shouldn't forget that other parts of Asia also followed suit eventually. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
The Koreans eventually produced their own porcelain, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
as did the Japanese in a much cruder lumpier form. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
I think there's no doubt that this is actually Korean. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
-Korean? That does surprise me. -So, it's come an awfully long way. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
It has, it has. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
And it explains the Oriental accent. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
Well, as far as I know, she never went to Korea. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
No, but she went to auctions, presumably. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
Well, her mother did. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
-Do we know how much she might have paid? -I haven't a clue, no. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
If you saw that in an auction, what would you pay? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
Perhaps £200, I don't know really. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
-£200! Well you'd have a very good nose for a bargain. -Oh. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:58 | |
I think it's a very rare object, it's almost certainly 18th century, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
although Korean porcelain's quite difficult to date. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
18th century? Korean. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
It's crisp as the day it was made. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Yes, it is. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
Shall we do a proper...? | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
HE MAKES CUCKOO NOISES | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
-That's better isn't it? -Yes. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:16 | |
OK, and... | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
-Would it have just been a novelty in those days? -Yes. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
Or would it have been to attract another bird? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-I don't think it's a lure, no. -No. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
-I think that was a toy intended mainly for a young person. -Oh. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
And your £200 would be quite well spent | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
because I think in today's market | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
that would fetch between £3,000 and £5,000. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
No! I don't believe this. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
Honestly? I don't believe it. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
It's a lovely Georgian leather-covered box. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
It's Rundell, Bridge and Rundell, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
the royal jewellers and silversmiths | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
and I thought these steel rimmed spectacles were particularly boring, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
but you've got a bit of family history to tell me about them... | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
They've been handed down from three great-great-grandfathers. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
We have a note saying they probably belonged to Napoleon. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Now looking through our family history, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
we know that one of the Bunburys worked in the War Office | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
and certainly came into contact with Napoleon. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
-Yes. -In 1815. -Well... | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
That is absolutely riveting because I've recently been to St Helena, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
and I've been tracking down some of Napoleon's artefacts. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
I also have discovered that Sir Henry Bunbury - | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
your ancestor - | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
was told by the War Office to go to Plymouth in 1815 | 0:41:37 | 0:41:43 | |
and tell Napoleon that he was going to be incarcerated on St Helena. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
He went in July 1815 and he told Napoleon that, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
and Napoleon immediately protested! | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
He said, "I don't want to go to St Helena", | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
"if you send me to St Helena I shall be dead in three months". | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
And Sir Henry Bunbury - | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
your ancestor - resisted that plea. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
On the 7th August 1815, Napoleon was shoved on HMS Northumberland | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
and was sent 4,500 miles to St Helena. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:14 | |
So if your family history says | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
that this boring pair of steel spectacles belonged to Napoleon... | 0:42:18 | 0:42:24 | |
that means these boring steel spectacles are rather important. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
Well, I must say I have used them on occasions. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
-Have you? -They're far better... | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
than my specs which I normally wear. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
What I suspect had happened, therefore, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
was that your ancestor was on board Her Majesty's Ship | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
and Napoleon, for all we know, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
could have flung these on the ground | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
and been hysterical about being sent to St Helena. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
I suppose Sir Henry Bunbury | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
picked the steel spectacles up | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
and went off with them as a little trophy of his day out to Plymouth. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
I hope people don't think too badly about the family, in that case. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
Well, there we are. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:01 | |
Here we've got a pair of steel spectacles... | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
that, ordinarily, would be worth probably about £50. £30 to £50. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
A few months ago I saw a shard of wallpaper | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
which was sold in an English auction house | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
that had been taken from the wall of the house he lived in, in St Helena. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
-and that shard of wallpaper had sold for £1,500. -Yes. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
Just a little sliver of paper. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
So, I have a funny feeling that this pair of spectacles, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
ordinarily worth £30 to £40 - | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
but because they've been on Old Boney's hooter - | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
are probably worth somewhere in the region of £1,000. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
Really? | 0:43:43 | 0:43:44 | |
-Really. -Oh. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
Well, I won't take them to the office in future. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
Well, it's quietening down a bit here now | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
but it really has been the most amazingly busy day. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
Someone worked out that 2,000 people came through the doors | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
and between them they brought more than 15,000 items for our experts to consider. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
But for now, from the Corn Exchange in Ipswich, goodbye. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 |