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This week the Roadshow has come to a perfect place | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
for anyone who wants to take the time to reflect and to reminisce. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
A dignified building by the River Thames, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
it's been home to proud veterans of the British Army for over 300 years. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
The Royal Hospital, Chelsea. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
Like the first veterans who arrived in February 1692, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
the men here have willingly surrendered their army pensions | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
in exchange for board and watchful care. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
They also qualify to wear a distinctive uniform. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
They're known to the world as the Chelsea Pensioners. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
The hub of life here at the Royal Hospital is the building, designed by Sir Christopher Wren. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
He drafted his first plans in 1682, paying meticulous attention to the | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
needs of the veterans, as well as the aesthetic beauty of the place. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Today Christopher Wren's purpose-built structure accommodates nearly 300 old soldiers, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:46 | |
including survivors of the D-Day Normandy landings and the Korean War. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
Between them they represent most regiments and corps of the British Army. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
Among their ranks, past and present, are the winners of many decorations, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
including awards for gallantry and outstanding and unusual service. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
A lot of the men bequeath their medals to the Royal Hospital Museum, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
and they're displayed here in their memory. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
The long wards where the men sleep haven't changed much, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
since my grandfather, Sergeant Edward Nugent, arrived here in 1940. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
He spent 15 years at the Royal Hospital and I remember coming to visit him. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
His berth was exactly like this one. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
You might think that this place could be haunted, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
after all, thousands of people have died at Chelsea. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
Apparently there is just one haunting. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
It goes on in the Surveyor's Closet where Christopher Wren worked. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
Every now and then, it's said, you can hear the murmur of voices | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
and the tinkle of teacups coming from this direction. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
And if you listen carefully, you can hear chatter and the occasional tinkle coming from outside. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
-That would be the Antiques Roadshow. -Are you together? -Father and son. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Oh right, I didn't know if you were security or something like that. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
-What have you got? -Two pieces of jewellery. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Oh, I'm in a no-go area, you see I spent all my married life | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
running past jewellers' shops, with my wife trying to take me in, but that is very nice. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
-George IV. -I think you want to, really want to see Geoffrey Munn. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
He's just the right person for you, just right, you know. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
Ooh I like that as well, do I like that? I like that a lot. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
-Ooh yes, John Sandon. -Yes. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
Somehow the name John Sandon's coming to me as I look at this piece. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
Now what's a young man like you doing with acres of royal jewellery like this? | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
Well, um, it all started ten years ago with the cuff links and the associated letter. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
They were on a local news programme as coming up for auction, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
and I rang and left a commission bid and... | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
-And you got 'em? -I got them. -Wow! | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
And we want to hear a bit about this letter too. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
"I send you these links as a souvenir of my Coronation, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
"when you attended me as one of my pages, George RI 1937". | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
-Not bad, is it? -No. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
That one goes with the cuff links, and those cuff links were presented to Robert Montague Elliot, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:32 | |
and he was the second son of the 8th Earl of St Germans, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
and he was a page of honour from 1937 to 1940. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
So bang-on provenance in the King's writing. He's an emperor too. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
-That's right. -And I think that's a marvellous thought, that his hand | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
moved across this paper, and he took the care to give somebody | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
something to a moment of enormous importance to them both really. Now which was the next one? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:58 | |
Um, the next one was the small brooch at the front. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
-Made for King George V to give away. -That's right. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
And by Collingwood's who are very famous jewellers, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
and they specialised in making these royal presentation brooches. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
What do you feel when you acquire something like that? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
It's quite exciting in a way, because you've got the history behind it. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
That one was presented to a nurse | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
that looked after Princess Victoria, the King's sister, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
some time in the early '30s, I believe. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
And this, this one here for George V too isn't it? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
Tell me about Korr underneath. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
Well, apparently, according to the family, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
it was added on afterwards. So whether this is, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
I don't know, a lady-in-waiting's badge or something like that, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
because it actually comes with all its bits and pieces. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
It's fitted as a brooch at the moment, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
but it's got its chain and its pendant fitting. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
That's typical of the very finest jewellery. It's always very versatile | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
and it comes with a little Meccano set of a sort of car maintenance set underneath, really. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
And that's a sign of something really very distinguished. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
We can tell it's distinguished because it's made by Hennell's, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
a very old established London firm, who were supplying the court, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
and in a way this is all about duty. It's about royal duty, isn't it? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
and part of the duty is to leave little footprints in the sand | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
to reward people, give them things that they're going to treasure. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
These are completely priceless things, but I suppose everybody wants to know | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
which is the least expensive and the most expensive thing. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
The least expensive was the stick pin, that cost something near £300, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
and the most expensive was the cuff links and the letter. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
They cost a little over £2,000. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
And the value, I think, is a lot to do with the letter, isn't it? | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
Without that it would be a great deal less in your collecting experience. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-That's right, yes. -I reckon this is a collection that's worth... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
£10,000, £15,000 as a group, isn't it? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
Wow! | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
-Are you going to get a Faberge one now? -I'd like to, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
but I think they're a little expensive for me at the moment. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
You've given your heart and soul to this, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
-and will continue to. It's marvellous, thanks so much. -Thanks. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
My father remembers eating off them, their Sunday lunches. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
-Ooh, very naughty. -Yes, and that one was called the "ugly plate", | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
because nobody liked the pansy. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Well, eating off it hasn't done the pansy any good, as you can see, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
-the enamel in the centre there has worn off. -Yes, that's right. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
So what have we got here? We've got | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
a passion flower, passiflora here, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
pansies here. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
-What's that one? -Well, maybe a peony, I'm not sure. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
An anemone or a peony. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
But what I like about seeing these botanical painting here in Chelsea, is the beginning of botanical | 0:07:49 | 0:07:56 | |
-painting on English porcelain, started just down the road at the Chelsea Porcelain Factory. -Right. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:02 | |
At Chelsea they copied the specimens of prints and drawings made at the Physic Gardens. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:10 | |
That was in 1755. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
-This is in 1820. -Right. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
But not on porcelain made in London, but porcelain made up in Shropshire. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
-Right. -This is Coalport porcelain | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
from 1825, and it's high, it's Regency, it's rococo, it's vivacious, it's scrolling. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:29 | |
-It's terrific quality. -But it has no mark on the back, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
actually no distinguishing mark. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Well, no because when people were retailing porcelain | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
in the 18th and early 19th century, very often the retailers didn't want to know that it was made | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
at Spode or Wedgwood or Coalport, because otherwise people went straight to the factories. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:50 | |
The first people really to realise this were at the Spode factory and at the Wedgwood factory. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
They were some of the first people to stamp their mark, but the retailers didn't like it. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
-How much of the service have you got? -Well, I've got 12 plates, and three like this. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
12 of these, three of these, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
-is going to be somewhere in the region of £2,000. -Right, thank you. -It's a jolly nice service. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
I feel as if I'm sort of holding a living piece of Art Deco in my hands. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
It's wonderful, the way it catches the light. Just glorious. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Much too old to be yours, though. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
Yes, indeed. It was my grandmother's, and neither of my sisters wanted it, so I got it. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:30 | |
-Delighted to have it. -And your grandmother, an American lady? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
Yes, who spent a fair amount of time | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
here in London and also in France in the years between the wars. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
-Ah, so she was sophisticated, elegant... -Yes. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
-And obviously very interested in fashion. -Oh, yes. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
And what it is, it's a 20th-century take | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
on something called a Miser's Purse, which is a lovely name for it. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
You usually see them from much earlier periods, from the 18th Century, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
and they were called Miser's Purses | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
-because it was difficult to extract money out of them. -It is. -Still is. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
Hard to get your lipstick out, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
out of an evening if you've had too much to drink. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
So you have to move the ring, you have to find where the opening is, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
delve inside, so they were called Miser's Purses. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
I think it's French, I think it's from the first half of the 1920s, so between 1920 and 1925. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:23 | |
What they've chosen for decoration are cut steel beads. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
And cut steel, it sounds fairly prosaic. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
You think, "Steel that's very boring - why didn't they use something a bit more exciting?" | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
But when you look very closely at each of these little beads, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
they're faceted, they're cut just like a gemstone | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
and you get this wonderful shimmering quality to it. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
-And then how do you wear it? -I would wear it with one of grandmother's very smart dresses | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
-that look straight out of Sargent's "Madame X". -Lovely! | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
-My daughter does it now. -Great. -Just sort of over my hand like this. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
It would hold it this way, or you could do it on the arm this way. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
Provided you didn't have anything too heavy, and... | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
All it would hold was the lipstick really. And a handkerchief. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
-And your taxi fare home, I hope. -That too, yes, of course. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Um, now I'm building you up as if this is, you know, the world's most valuable and exciting Miser's Purse. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:23 | |
Yes, well it's a treasure to me. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
It is a treasure but this 1920-1925 purse, within that period, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
we'd be talking about £200, maybe a little bit more, perhaps £300 but I would say that would be it, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:37 | |
so it's not going to send you on a round-the-world trip. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
But the point is that these are now being really appreciated | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
by people like you and me who just occasionally take them out on a special outing. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:52 | |
-Absolutely - with that black dress. -Yeah, very, very stylish. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Now, you're the Governor of the Royal Hospital. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
-Yes, I am, yes. -Is that a pleasant posting? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
It's a marvellous posting for a senior officer to end his career as a connection with the military. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:11 | |
-I'm rather envious. -Yes. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
These things are nothing to do with the hospital. They're your own. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
-That's right. -Now, I have to say, what is this? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Well, it's a bee, clearly, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
and it comes from the throne of the Burmese Kingdom which was sacked. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
In a sense, the Burmese Kingdom was put to an end by the British in 1885 | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
with the Royal Hampshire Regiment seizing the palace in Mandalay. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
And I'm not sure how, but this bee | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
came into the property of my grandfather. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
It was one of about 20 on the back of a throne. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
This is one, I think, of only three or four that survive to this day. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
The Western significance of the bee | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
-as the symbol of industry, of endeavour, of activity. -Yes. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
Which is very common. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
It's interesting to see it also had the same significance over there. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
Presumably carved wood, covered in lacquer. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Now, that in itself is an indication of status. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Um, lacquer was first used by the Chinese in the Han dynasty | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
200 years before Christ, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
so it was a well-known material | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
in the Far East. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
And it was always associated with quality, with wealth, with prestige, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
and the British were very fascinated by that. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Queen Victoria had collections of Japanese lacquer, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
and so it may well be that those who were there in the 1880s thought, "Ah, lacquer - you know..." | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
-Yes, might be, might be valuable. -Might be valuable and, "the Queen likes this". -Yes. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
So you say there are three or four. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
Where are they? Do we know? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
I think there's two in the Victoria and Albert here. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
I think there's another in America somewhere. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
Does it have emotional symbolic values to you as a family? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
Well, my family have always said that it's a very lucky bee | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
and my wife of course is convinced that that is the case, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
and so she treats it rather carefully. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
How does it manifest its luck? | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Well, she says that if it's in a place which it's unhappy about, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
it will be found on the floor in the morning, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
and I think there is an occasion where that has proved to be so. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Hopefully it's happy there and not going to jump off. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-I hope no. -Moving on, it is sitting... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
it is placed on this fabulous shawl, so tell me about this. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
Well, my grandmother, during the Delhi Durbar of 1911... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Her husband, my grandfather, was the Controller of the Viceroy's Household | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
and he was put in charge of organising the Delhi Durbar in 1911 | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
and the women's programme for the maharanis, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
for the wives of the maharajahs, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
was separately co-ordinated by my grandmother. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
-It was a complete separation. -They weren't allowed to be with the men. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
All the maharajas' wives pooled together | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
and produced a single present for my grandmother and this is it. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
It's a fabulous thing, it's got gold thread, wonderful colours. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
It's very contemporary. They were not giving her something | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
that was in a sense traditionally Indian. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
-It was something that has a modern look about it. -Yes. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
If you think of the pattern, there's quite a lot of Western influence. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
It's as though they chose something they thought that she as a Westerner would appreciate | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
because she can relate to it. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
I may be wrong, but that's my feeling, that's my response to it. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
The two things together really tell your story, as a family associated | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
-with India over a long period of time. -That's why it's special. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
We've had a long link with the Indian army and this really is the sort of parts of the relics of it. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
Yeah. This is obviously a seriously important object. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
It would obviously would have importance to the government of Burma today as part of their history. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:41 | |
-So much was destroyed, I regret to say, by us. -Yes. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
Um, and therefore there is very little surviving from pre-British Burma. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
We could be talking tens of thousands, we could even | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
be talking of hundreds of thousands, if its significance is so important in cultural terms. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
-So I won't even guess. -Right, yes. -And similarly the cloth. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
This is a glorious object. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Taken out of context, it's just a wonderful thing. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
-It works as part of your family history. -Yes. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Again, in textile terms, it's worth several hundred pounds. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
-Yes. -But that, again, is not the point. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
It's just so exciting to see these. This is why British history is so wonderful. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
I agree. Thank you very much. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
"Charles Dickens' buttons, worn by him on his smoking jacket | 0:16:23 | 0:16:29 | |
"with certificate of his sister-in-law Georgina Hogarth." | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
How did you come by this? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
Well, back in the early 1970s in business, I was introduced to | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
a lovely gentleman by a colleague who dealt in various artefacts | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
and he was selling bric-a-brac and so forth | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
and one time he said, "Could you loan me £100?" | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
He said "I've got good security for you. This is worth more than a hundred," | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
and he said, "but if I don't come back to by the end of the year you could keep this, and I assure you | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
"it's worth more than 150." | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
So the telephone went, he was going to meet me with the money. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
I expressed my disappointment because we'd hoped to keep it. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
He said, "Would you like to keep it?" | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
So we agreed on it, so it's been in the family since then. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Fantastic. Although it looks like a book, it's not because when we | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
open it up inside, there are Charles Dickens' buttons and underneath them | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
we've actually got a hand-written | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
little letter that says, "I certify that these buttons | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
"were always worn by my brother-in-law Charles Dickens on his smoking coat at Gad's Hill | 0:17:32 | 0:17:40 | |
"from the time of his going there to... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
"Until his death - 9th June 1870". | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
And then it's signed Georgina Hogarth. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Very interesting because Georgina Hogarth was basically Charles Dickens' wife's sister. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
-Wife's sister, yes. -And I'm going to let you into a little bit of a secret. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
There were a lot of rumours about at the time, and later, that his | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
relationship with her may have been slightly more than platonic. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
-Is that right? -Yes, and I think it's actually ironic that, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
in terms of her authenticating his buttons, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
if anybody knew, it was going to be her, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
because bearing in mind that she probably buttonholed him. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
Oh, there's something else here. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
"Made by Riviere & Son". | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
They were amongst the best bookbinders in the country. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Then based in London, now based down in Bath, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
but the actual quality of this is absolutely fantastic. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
Now, anything to do with Dickens, very, very collectable. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
-I think to the right person, I could see someone paying £2,000 for this. -Could you? -Absolutely. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:53 | |
If you remember the street cry, "Stop me and buy one," | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
you'll know the theme we're about to introduce. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
This week's collector, Robin Weir, is not a flake | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
but a serious historian of ice cream and everything about it. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
Robin, when did people start making and eating ice cream? | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Well, the earliest records of ice cream are around the sort of 1650s | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
in Naples, and this is where ice cream really started, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
and it was a very, very extravagant thing to have. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
You needed a lot of servants, you needed people who knew how to make | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
ice cream and you had to have access to ice, which was very expensive. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
So what's the earliest relic or bit of evidence you've got here of the ice-cream story? | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
Well, the earliest thing that we've got probably is this print | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
which is a Neapolitan ice-cream seller. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
It's from about 1840 but this was one of the first prints | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
-of somebody actually selling ice cream. -And what is this guy doing? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
Well, this is a Russian ice-cream seller. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
It's a sculpture by a man called Napoleon Jacques, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
who was a Frenchman, and it's incredibly detailed. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
You can see he's holding a little ice-cream glass here | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
which was what they used before the ice-cream cone was invented. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
And those are what he's holding? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Well, these are English ones. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
-Penny licks? -Yes, these are penny licks | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
and this is how they served ice cream initially. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
They would get a glass like this, they'd put the ice cream into it | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
and then you would lick it out, then you'd hand it back and the next person | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
would use it, and so on. They never got washed. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
They were ultimately outlawed. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
-Because... -They were spreading tuberculosis. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
This is a particularly interesting one. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
It's about the meanest one I've ever seen. You'd get almost no ice cream in it! | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
-It's a trick glass! -Almost, but when it has ice cream in it, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
-it actually looks much bigger than it really is. -So these are obviously moulds. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
Are you telling me that you make an ice cream in the shape of...? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Oh, yes, these are lead pewter moulds. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
These are old ones, and what you do is, you start off with the mould, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:58 | |
and then you pour in all the various colours of ice cream. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
This was really ice cream - or sorbet in this case - as decoration. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
It was table decoration. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
Obviously you'd eat it, but everyone would ooh and aah when the servants brought it in. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
-It would be a pity to spoil it. -Well, it is a pity to spoil it. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
The ultimate thing would be to do a mould in the shape of your own head. What an idea. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
Well, I was offered one of George Washington's head this morning, from somebody in America! | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
And what is your collection comprised completely? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
-What have you got altogether? Hundreds of... -This is a tiny bit. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
I got involved in ice cream when my children started slipping into the supermarket trollies | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
ghastly flavours of ice cream | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
and I started to try and make ice cream and one gets obsessive | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
-and you buy more and more ice-cream stuff. We've now got over 400 books on it. -And your favourite flavour? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:52 | |
My favourite flavour of ice cream | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
is Parmesan cheese ice cream served with a fresh pear. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
And that is a very old thing. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
People get all excited, saying, "My goodness, savoury ice creams, how ridiculous!" | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
The Georgians and Victorians had dozens of flavours like this. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
Well, give me a vanilla and a Flake any time. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
This one is a very exotic shape so tell me about this one. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
Yes, that's the old...rose that blew over in the gale. That's where it snapped, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
it died off, so I dug the root up and carved that on the root there. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
And what was your chosen subject here? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
-The devil. -The devil. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
Well, I'm a bit of a devil. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
-You were in Africa? -Yes. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
-You were in Italy? -Yes. -Then you went to France and Germany. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
So they used you well, didn't they? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
-They did indeed. -Now, what regiment? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
-The Scots Greys. -Scots Greys? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
-The Royal Scots. -So you weren't on horses then, you were in tanks. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
In tanks, yes. On tank command. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
I think you gave up your horses in Palestine? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
-That was right, that's right, yes. -When? -About 1940. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Yeah, I bet it broke your heart didn't it, so part with your horses? | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
It did, but we had to take part in a man's war, as Churchill said. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Yes, so then what happened? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Well, I left the Scots Greys in '45 and went to the Lifeguards. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
-Really? -Yes. -How long for? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
-20 years. -Good Lord. -Yes. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
-And how did you finish up? -I was a Corporal of Horses in the Lifeguards and then | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
in '65 I left the Lifeguards and went to the Honourable Artillery Company for 14 years. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
Gosh, so you became a gunner. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
I became a gunner. Actually I was a musician, I was in the band. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
That's wonderful, isn't it? | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
-But you've got all these for the coronations and... -Jubilees. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
Jubilees, that's unusual. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
This is a unique group and I would think that any collector would love this group. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
-Yes. -And he would pay something like... | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
-£1,500, £1,600 for it. -Really, really? -Yes. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
This lady is an adopted aunt of mine | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
who I'd known all my life. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
She was a wonderful woman and my mother got to know her during the war, | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
-and so I've known her since I was a little boy. -Really? How interesting. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Yes, her father was a wealthy man. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
-Right. -And I understand he lost his money from some business enterprise. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
And she had been educated at home and all of a sudden had to | 0:24:12 | 0:24:18 | |
earn money, earn her keep. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
And she came down to London and she made her living as a dance hostess in the '30s | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
-and she died about ten years ago when she was 90. -Really? Gosh. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:32 | |
And her husband died last year, he was 96 and he was a remarkable chap as well. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
So dancing kept them very young. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
-Yes, yes, it certainly did. This is a picture of her, in her 30s. -Right. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
Just pre-war. And I think that was about sort of '37, '38. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
-With a charming companion. -Charming companion, yes, yes. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
-Such a great photograph. -Yes, it's a lovely photo. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
You can see the likeness there, that sort of rather wonderful look. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
I love it. It's such a wonderful portrait | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
and she looks so sweet and fun and engaging | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
with the doll and the elephant here. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
It's sort of casual, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
not the typical formal portrait you had from the century before. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
So it's a very informal and charming portrait. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
It's painted here by an Edwardian artist | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
called William Raymond Symonds | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
-and it's dated 1910. -Yes. -So that gives us a good indication | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
She's probably here, what...? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
-About five, six. -Yes, exactly. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
And actually, this picture was exhibited | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
in the Royal Academy in 1910. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
-Was it? -And she was called "Beryl" | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
-which I assume is right. -Yes. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
-We have a slight condition problem here, with the picture. -Yes, yes. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
I mean, just don't be alarmed and I wouldn't advise everyone to do this with their pictures, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
but if I just get a bit of spit and you just do that... | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
And you see how this varnish, which is called blooming varnish - | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
it's not a swear word - it's just where, it's really rotting varnish, it's old varnish. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:02 | |
And it's very easy to clean. Take it to any restorer, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
they'll strip the varnish off and put on a new varnish. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
Is that a very expensive process? | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
It depends where you go to, and you want to go to someone reputable who'll do the job well | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
and I think it probably would cost £1,000 maybe £2,000 to have done, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
because it is a skilled job. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
But it's such a beautiful thing, and I really love it. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
I would say something like this would be worth between sort of | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
-£7,000 and £10,000, that sort of price. -Mm, yes. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
So well worth having cleaned. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Yes. I mean, although it's not damaging the picture, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
you can't see it really, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
and you want to see all these wonderful vibrant colours. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
The clean will show you everything the artist intended you to see. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
Well, this is far and away above the average triple top table. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
This immediately tells us that it's a games table and will have | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
two tops which open up and provide us with a third surface for something. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Before we do that, tell me about the family history. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
Well, basically in 1900, Earl Rosslyn said the reason he wasn't the richest man in the world | 0:27:08 | 0:27:15 | |
was because all the wheels in these casinos were fixed so as to suit the bank. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:22 | |
If he got an honest wheel, his system would guarantee to win. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
-Right. -And he boasted it all over London until everybody got really fed up with him, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
and the King, King Edward VII, he told Sir Hiram Maxim, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
-the great American. -The machine gunner? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Yes, who had written a book on Monte Carlo facts and fallacies. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
Knew all about it, and told him to deal with it and sort it out. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
-Right. -So Sir Hiram said, "All right," | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
and he had this built, purely for the occasion. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
-This table? -This particular table. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
And on 19th September, 1908, in a flat in Piccadilly, they each had £10,000 worth | 0:27:57 | 0:28:05 | |
of chips - the equivalent of about £500,000 of our money. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
And with only observers and a secretary, they played and played till the 29th September | 0:28:09 | 0:28:16 | |
when Rosslyn admitted he was broke, that his system was no damn good and he had to give it up entirely. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:23 | |
-And it was on this table? -On this table. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Let's have a look at it. OK? | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
And this is what Sir Hiram Maxim made. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
This is the wheel that he invented to be absolutely cheat-proof, right? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
So there would be no possibility... and of course it was small enough | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
for them to take to pieces like this. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
They could see there was no possible way that this could cheat, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
so the poor chap was proved to be... | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
And there were arbiters, and there were umpires from both sides. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Well, now, how very difficult | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
-to put a value on such a thing. -Impossible. -It is really. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
What I like about it honestly | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
is such magnificent craftsmanship, as a cabinet maker. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
-Look at these... -I think that's a very good approach to it. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
How much would it cost to make such a thing today? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Without that provenance... The provenance doubles it. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
-It would cost probably between £10,000 and £15,000 to make such a thing today. -Yes, I'm sure of it. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:20 | |
And we'd easily double that because of that marvellous provenance. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Now can I put across four, I'll have a thousand on 20 to 24, OK? | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
Oh, I don't know about that. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
Hard on the BBC if you make it, but there you are. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
-Oh, oh, it was so close. -Close, yes, my dear fellow. -Rolled it in there. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
We'll have your pay in no time at all, take it from me. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
I only know that it's been in the family for years. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
I think it belonged to my great great aunt. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
And now my mother has it, but I know nothing. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
We just have it for decoration, it's one of a pair. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
This is a trembleuse cup and saucer, designed and named after people who had the trembles. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
It was intended for infirm people who had shakes. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
The cup sits very firmly inside the saucer there, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
so however much you've got a shaking hand, you can't possibly spill your coffee or chocolate. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
Made by the great Sevres factory, the mark tells us all we need to know. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
There is the Sevres mark, the monogram of Louis XV, and the initial date letter. The "N" | 0:30:21 | 0:30:28 | |
in the middle is the year code for 1766 so it goes back to that year, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
and the painter's symbol on the top tells us it was painted by Noel, a great painter at Sevres. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
He specialised in these wonderful ornaments and decorations | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
of formal scrags, borders, and the quality is just so sensuous. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
-So a pair of them? -Yes. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
And the other one's in just as good a condition as this one. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
That's so important too, because a single cup and saucer of this quality | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
is going to be pushing £5,000. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Oh! | 0:30:59 | 0:31:00 | |
You're joking. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
So a pair of this quality, absolutely stunning, £10,000. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
You need a steady hand in order to take that in, don't you? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
Absolutely. Maybe you should hold onto it for a bit longer. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
I'm delighted to say that David Linley has popped in to see us. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
Your design headquarters are up the road. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
-Yes, just Pimlico Road, just behind here. -How long have you been here? -Been here about 12 years now. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
-Have you brought anything in for us? -Well, I brought this mystery object for you. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
Oh. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
Which I collected on the Pimlico Road. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
You'd better do something with that. So you bought that locally? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Yes, I always try and collect things that I find interesting. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
We try and use the old to inspire the future. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
-So how old is this? -This is about 1840 | 0:31:54 | 0:31:58 | |
and, as you'll see, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
it's a rather ingenious pocket lectern. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
There you are, you see, and this opens like this | 0:32:05 | 0:32:11 | |
and goes onto a table. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
What will they think of next? Quite wonderful. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
And obviously this is the kind of thing that inspires you. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Absolutely. I mean, to me, invention and quirky objects... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
I believe that furniture and collecting should be fun | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
and that, you know, here's an object that is something that I'd never seen before and you still | 0:32:26 | 0:32:33 | |
continuously find things, you know, that inspire us as designers to make things interesting. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:40 | |
Speaking of which, from this to this. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
Well, this is a humidor based on the four gates going into Istanbul. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:52 | |
And what we've done is, we've used all sorts of different crafts | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
such as turning and carving and inlay, as you can see here. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
How many kinds of wood? | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
There's about five or six different woods here, but the craftsmanship | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
is the link that I think is what is fantastic. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
And inside, again, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
we're just using every space available, a little ashtray, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
that's for your cigars in there and all the bits. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
And again you can see the pattern through the back. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
And the only change really from the 18th and 19th century | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
is the fact that we can now use laser technology | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
to create very highly complicated designs that you can see here. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:35 | |
It's from antique furniture that these designs come to mind? | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
Absolutely. I remember going round with my mother, going to Urbino and seeing this amazing room | 0:33:39 | 0:33:46 | |
full of false perspective, all done in marquetry, beautiful 15th century | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
intarsia work and that's what inspires me, by looking back and seeing how things are created | 0:33:51 | 0:33:57 | |
and how we can include them for work in pieces of furniture for today. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
The Linley sense of humidor. Who knows? 100 years from now, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
-people will be saying, "Look at this wonderful old thing." -I hope so. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Well, on the face of it, this looks rather disappointing, doesn't it? | 0:34:10 | 0:34:16 | |
-A rather... -I suppose so, yes. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
-A rather stained little print. -Yes. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Can you tell me a little bit about it? | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
Well, it was left to me by an old colleague at work. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
-Yes. -And, um, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
she had marvellous stories about all sorts of things. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Some of them were very fantastic and so I didn't really listen | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
very much when she said she had a connection with the Empress Eugene. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
-Aha, of France that is of course. -Yes, exactly, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
and so I didn't really take much notice and I didn't expect | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
her to leave it to me anyway, and then it came and I wished I'd learned more from her at the time. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:54 | |
Right, if we raise this | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
like so, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
we see this incredibly interesting portrait bust of Napoleon and it's full of wonderful symbolism which is | 0:34:58 | 0:35:04 | |
perhaps lost to certain people today, but in 1815 or '16 when this was made, these were very potent symbols. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:13 | |
And here, we have the snake eating its tail, a symbol of eternal life. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:19 | |
It's in this rather wonderful frame which looks like a sort of sunburst | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
-and perhaps alluding to royalty, because of course he was treated as a royal. -Yes. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:29 | |
And of course the eagle of France. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
-And it luckily tells you it's Napoleon. -Yes, it's very lucky it tells you it's Napoleon. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
I'm always very keen on labels like that. Us experts use them all the time, you know. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
And here of course the flag of France. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
-They've managed to fit in a lot in a small space. -They have, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
and then if you just pop this back here, actually, suddenly, you see this is a little | 0:35:46 | 0:35:53 | |
homage to Napoleon as well. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
And we have the violets. Aren't they sort of Napoleon's flower? | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
-Yes, definitely. -And if you look very carefully | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
there are portraits of Napoleon here, the outline, the profile of Napoleon, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
and I think there's two more. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Yes, there's one here and there's another one tucked away there. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
Nobody would find them if they didn't look very closely. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
Exactly. It's an interesting idea | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
if you think that this was perhaps hanging in an English person's home. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
-And when you had the Wellington relations to come to dinner, you would... -Clamp it down, yes! | 0:36:24 | 0:36:30 | |
Exactly. And then when you had your French cousins, you would open that up as your | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
wonderful homage to Napoleon and oh, look there's something written here. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
-Oh, that I didn't know. -I've just seen that, it says "London" - | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
all I can read - and then "1816". | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
-1816. -But look, is that a "B" | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
for Bonaparte, do you think? | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
-Isn't that fascinating? -It's magnificent. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
So that probably dates it to a year after the print, so it really is very, very contemporary. | 0:36:52 | 0:37:00 | |
There's a huge following of Napoleon. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
-Yes. -And a lot of collectors, and I think something like this | 0:37:02 | 0:37:07 | |
-could make... This is a guess, I think £1,500 perhaps even £2,000. -Oh, goodness me. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
-It's just unique, I think. -Yes. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
-This is Armentieres here. -It is, yes. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
And this is a trench map which came out during the First World War. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
Now, you look rather young to have been in the First World War. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
These belonged to my grandfather | 0:37:28 | 0:37:29 | |
-on my mother's side. -On your mother's side, to be specific. -Yeah. -That's splendid. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
-Did you ever go to Armentieres? -I did, I was in there in 1940 | 0:37:34 | 0:37:40 | |
prior to the evacuation of Dunkirk. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
Gosh, how did you manage to get out of Dunkirk? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
-Well, I was busy, but you can ask my mate. -Go on, tell me, how did he get out? | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
How did we get out? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:52 | |
-Is it both of you were at Dunkirk? -We were both there but we didn't know one another then. -Right. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:59 | |
We rowed out to one of the big boats, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
but it wasn't Dunkirk, you see, it was for about ten miles of beaches. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
-Yes, yes. -And we came off at a place called Bray Dunes which is almost... | 0:38:06 | 0:38:13 | |
-And how did you manage to escape the bullets? -Well, you had to dodge! | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
-Dig a hole in the sand. -When they came over you, in the sand dunes. -Gosh, gosh. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
That's absolutely wonderful, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
-but you're both here now and you're both in the same regiment. -Now, yes. -The Royal Hospital Regiment. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:31 | |
The idea of these, they were issued to the Army to show where the trenches were. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
And I notice you've got one here, you've got quite a few, but you've got one here of Arras. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:42 | |
-Arras. -I went through there on the way to Belgium. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
But this one shows all the trenches. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
It does, yeah, all the blue ones, yeah. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
All the blue ones and all that sort of thing. Now, as you can imagine, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
First World War trench maps, by their very nature, are bound to be very easy to get lost - | 0:38:54 | 0:39:00 | |
in the mud, in the terrible conditions out in France, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
so to find the ones that survive is quite a good thing. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
-And I've got four! -You've got four? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
Anyway, let's cut to the value. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
What do you think? | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
-A tenner a piece. -Go on, have a guess. -I haven't got a clue how much. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
No, I think we can do better than a tenner a piece, I think we do something like £100 each. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:28 | |
-Oh, where we going? -Where are we going? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
This is a beautiful brooch. It's very old. How long have you had it? | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
Oh, I suppose about 25 or 26 years, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
I think I was around about 70-odd then and I'm nearly 92 now. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:48 | |
Fantastic! Isn't that marvellous? And any idea where it was made? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
Could possibly be French. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
Well, it is French, actually. Now, tell me about how this brooch came to you. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
Well, let me see. It was around about 1977, something like that. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:05 | |
And, er, my lady had gone out for the day | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
and it was very strange because she had gone out to lunch with her friend | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
and I thought, "Oh, good, that gives me time to do a little job in the house." | 0:40:14 | 0:40:20 | |
We'd just lost our housekeeper, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:21 | |
and I was working away, came in to the flat, just as she rang the bell to say she was coming home, come in. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:30 | |
I opened the door, and her friend and she moved in followed by two men. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:36 | |
The one with the dispatch case said to me, "Lay down on the floor, this is real," | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
and produced a pistol or a gun in front of me, you know. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
-No! -And I looked at him and I said, "What?" | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
-so surprised. -I should think so. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
And then he turned round and said, "Don't be bloody stupid, this is real." | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
-No! -So I said, "You get the hell out of it! I'll call the police!" | 0:40:55 | 0:41:01 | |
-in which both he and his partner turned round and rushed out of the house. -So you drove them off? | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
I drove them off. I chased them part of the way down the road but lost them at the corner. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
You are absolutely fantastic. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
I came back, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
sat down on the doorstep and burst into tears. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
Oh, no, oh, goodness. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
Well, you were very, very brave. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
And I think your lady thought you were very brave to give you such a beautiful brooch. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
Yes, she gave me one or two very nice things in her life, you know. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
Well, I've got something startling to tell you. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
There's a tiny mark on the clasp here which has the initials of a craftsman called Aucoc. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:39 | |
It's A-U-C-O-C. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
Now, he's a very important jeweller working in Paris in 1900, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
perhaps not for his own sake quite so much, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
but that he trained somebody who was the towering genius of the Art Nouveau Movement | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
called Rene Lalique, who made the most spectacular jewellery and then moved into glass. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
He's the greatest genius really of the Art Nouveau Movement, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
never mind in jewellery, and this was his master. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
It's chased gold and enamel with diamonds in platinum | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
and it incorporates everything that's important about Art Nouveau. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
It's highly sculptural. There are four portraits of children here | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
in relief in gold, and it includes these marvellous flower motifs | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
and this is a distillation of all that was going on in the Art Nouveau Movement in 1900 in Paris. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:25 | |
A very dramatic and beautiful jewel. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
And the combination of this, and your story of how you acquired it, is an absolute bombshell. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
But there are two bombshells to hurl around here. Not only is that | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
the most moving story I've ever heard in my life, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
but the value is another. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
And I have to say I think that it should be insured for £8,000 today. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
Oh, my gosh! | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
Ooh, oh, golly. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
It's been a double pleasure for us today - the usual chance to see some fine objects | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
and the unusual opportunity to get an understanding of the kind of work that goes on here, the organisation, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
the dedication, the loving skill that goes into making sure | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
that men who have served well are now themselves served well. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:13 | |
So until the next show, from the Royal Hospital in Chelsea, goodbye. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 |