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This week the Roadshow has come to a perfect place

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for anyone who wants to take the time to reflect and to reminisce.

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A dignified building by the River Thames,

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it's been home to proud veterans of the British Army for over 300 years.

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The Royal Hospital, Chelsea.

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Like the first veterans who arrived in February 1692,

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the men here have willingly surrendered their army pensions

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in exchange for board and watchful care.

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They also qualify to wear a distinctive uniform.

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They're known to the world as the Chelsea Pensioners.

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The hub of life here at the Royal Hospital is the building, designed by Sir Christopher Wren.

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He drafted his first plans in 1682, paying meticulous attention to the

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needs of the veterans, as well as the aesthetic beauty of the place.

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Today Christopher Wren's purpose-built structure accommodates nearly 300 old soldiers,

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including survivors of the D-Day Normandy landings and the Korean War.

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Between them they represent most regiments and corps of the British Army.

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Among their ranks, past and present, are the winners of many decorations,

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including awards for gallantry and outstanding and unusual service.

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A lot of the men bequeath their medals to the Royal Hospital Museum,

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and they're displayed here in their memory.

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The long wards where the men sleep haven't changed much,

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since my grandfather, Sergeant Edward Nugent, arrived here in 1940.

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He spent 15 years at the Royal Hospital and I remember coming to visit him.

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His berth was exactly like this one.

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You might think that this place could be haunted,

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after all, thousands of people have died at Chelsea.

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Apparently there is just one haunting.

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It goes on in the Surveyor's Closet where Christopher Wren worked.

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Every now and then, it's said, you can hear the murmur of voices

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and the tinkle of teacups coming from this direction.

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And if you listen carefully, you can hear chatter and the occasional tinkle coming from outside.

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-That would be the Antiques Roadshow.

-Are you together?

-Father and son.

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Oh right, I didn't know if you were security or something like that.

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-What have you got?

-Two pieces of jewellery.

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Oh, I'm in a no-go area, you see I spent all my married life

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running past jewellers' shops, with my wife trying to take me in, but that is very nice.

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-George IV.

-I think you want to, really want to see Geoffrey Munn.

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He's just the right person for you, just right, you know.

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Ooh I like that as well, do I like that? I like that a lot.

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-Ooh yes, John Sandon.

-Yes.

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Somehow the name John Sandon's coming to me as I look at this piece.

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Now what's a young man like you doing with acres of royal jewellery like this?

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Well, um, it all started ten years ago with the cuff links and the associated letter.

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They were on a local news programme as coming up for auction,

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and I rang and left a commission bid and...

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-And you got 'em?

-I got them.

-Wow!

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And we want to hear a bit about this letter too.

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"I send you these links as a souvenir of my Coronation,

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"when you attended me as one of my pages, George RI 1937".

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-Not bad, is it?

-No.

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That one goes with the cuff links, and those cuff links were presented to Robert Montague Elliot,

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and he was the second son of the 8th Earl of St Germans,

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and he was a page of honour from 1937 to 1940.

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So bang-on provenance in the King's writing. He's an emperor too.

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-That's right.

-And I think that's a marvellous thought, that his hand

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moved across this paper, and he took the care to give somebody

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something to a moment of enormous importance to them both really. Now which was the next one?

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Um, the next one was the small brooch at the front.

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-Made for King George V to give away.

-That's right.

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And by Collingwood's who are very famous jewellers,

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and they specialised in making these royal presentation brooches.

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What do you feel when you acquire something like that?

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It's quite exciting in a way, because you've got the history behind it.

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That one was presented to a nurse

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that looked after Princess Victoria, the King's sister,

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some time in the early '30s, I believe.

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And this, this one here for George V too isn't it?

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Tell me about Korr underneath.

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Well, apparently, according to the family,

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it was added on afterwards. So whether this is,

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I don't know, a lady-in-waiting's badge or something like that,

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because it actually comes with all its bits and pieces.

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It's fitted as a brooch at the moment,

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but it's got its chain and its pendant fitting.

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That's typical of the very finest jewellery. It's always very versatile

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and it comes with a little Meccano set of a sort of car maintenance set underneath, really.

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And that's a sign of something really very distinguished.

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We can tell it's distinguished because it's made by Hennell's,

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a very old established London firm, who were supplying the court,

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and in a way this is all about duty. It's about royal duty, isn't it?

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and part of the duty is to leave little footprints in the sand

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to reward people, give them things that they're going to treasure.

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These are completely priceless things, but I suppose everybody wants to know

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which is the least expensive and the most expensive thing.

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The least expensive was the stick pin, that cost something near £300,

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and the most expensive was the cuff links and the letter.

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They cost a little over £2,000.

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And the value, I think, is a lot to do with the letter, isn't it?

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Without that it would be a great deal less in your collecting experience.

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-That's right, yes.

-I reckon this is a collection that's worth...

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£10,000, £15,000 as a group, isn't it?

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Wow!

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-Are you going to get a Faberge one now?

-I'd like to,

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but I think they're a little expensive for me at the moment.

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You've given your heart and soul to this,

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-and will continue to. It's marvellous, thanks so much.

-Thanks.

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My father remembers eating off them, their Sunday lunches.

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-Ooh, very naughty.

-Yes, and that one was called the "ugly plate",

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because nobody liked the pansy.

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Well, eating off it hasn't done the pansy any good, as you can see,

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-the enamel in the centre there has worn off.

-Yes, that's right.

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So what have we got here? We've got

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a passion flower, passiflora here,

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pansies here.

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-What's that one?

-Well, maybe a peony, I'm not sure.

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An anemone or a peony.

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But what I like about seeing these botanical painting here in Chelsea, is the beginning of botanical

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-painting on English porcelain, started just down the road at the Chelsea Porcelain Factory.

-Right.

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At Chelsea they copied the specimens of prints and drawings made at the Physic Gardens.

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That was in 1755.

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-This is in 1820.

-Right.

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But not on porcelain made in London, but porcelain made up in Shropshire.

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-Right.

-This is Coalport porcelain

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from 1825, and it's high, it's Regency, it's rococo, it's vivacious, it's scrolling.

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-It's terrific quality.

-But it has no mark on the back,

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actually no distinguishing mark.

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Well, no because when people were retailing porcelain

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in the 18th and early 19th century, very often the retailers didn't want to know that it was made

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at Spode or Wedgwood or Coalport, because otherwise people went straight to the factories.

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The first people really to realise this were at the Spode factory and at the Wedgwood factory.

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They were some of the first people to stamp their mark, but the retailers didn't like it.

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-How much of the service have you got?

-Well, I've got 12 plates, and three like this.

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12 of these, three of these,

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-is going to be somewhere in the region of £2,000.

-Right, thank you.

-It's a jolly nice service.

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I feel as if I'm sort of holding a living piece of Art Deco in my hands.

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It's wonderful, the way it catches the light. Just glorious.

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Much too old to be yours, though.

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Yes, indeed. It was my grandmother's, and neither of my sisters wanted it, so I got it.

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-Delighted to have it.

-And your grandmother, an American lady?

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Yes, who spent a fair amount of time

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here in London and also in France in the years between the wars.

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-Ah, so she was sophisticated, elegant...

-Yes.

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-And obviously very interested in fashion.

-Oh, yes.

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And what it is, it's a 20th-century take

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on something called a Miser's Purse, which is a lovely name for it.

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You usually see them from much earlier periods, from the 18th Century,

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and they were called Miser's Purses

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-because it was difficult to extract money out of them.

-It is.

-Still is.

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Hard to get your lipstick out,

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out of an evening if you've had too much to drink.

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So you have to move the ring, you have to find where the opening is,

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delve inside, so they were called Miser's Purses.

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I think it's French, I think it's from the first half of the 1920s, so between 1920 and 1925.

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What they've chosen for decoration are cut steel beads.

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And cut steel, it sounds fairly prosaic.

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You think, "Steel that's very boring - why didn't they use something a bit more exciting?"

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But when you look very closely at each of these little beads,

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they're faceted, they're cut just like a gemstone

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and you get this wonderful shimmering quality to it.

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-And then how do you wear it?

-I would wear it with one of grandmother's very smart dresses

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-that look straight out of Sargent's "Madame X".

-Lovely!

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-My daughter does it now.

-Great.

-Just sort of over my hand like this.

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It would hold it this way, or you could do it on the arm this way.

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Provided you didn't have anything too heavy, and...

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All it would hold was the lipstick really. And a handkerchief.

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-And your taxi fare home, I hope.

-That too, yes, of course.

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Um, now I'm building you up as if this is, you know, the world's most valuable and exciting Miser's Purse.

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Yes, well it's a treasure to me.

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It is a treasure but this 1920-1925 purse, within that period,

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we'd be talking about £200, maybe a little bit more, perhaps £300 but I would say that would be it,

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so it's not going to send you on a round-the-world trip.

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But the point is that these are now being really appreciated

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by people like you and me who just occasionally take them out on a special outing.

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-Absolutely - with that black dress.

-Yeah, very, very stylish.

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Thank you very much indeed.

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Now, you're the Governor of the Royal Hospital.

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-Yes, I am, yes.

-Is that a pleasant posting?

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It's a marvellous posting for a senior officer to end his career as a connection with the military.

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-I'm rather envious.

-Yes.

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These things are nothing to do with the hospital. They're your own.

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-That's right.

-Now, I have to say, what is this?

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Well, it's a bee, clearly,

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and it comes from the throne of the Burmese Kingdom which was sacked.

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In a sense, the Burmese Kingdom was put to an end by the British in 1885

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with the Royal Hampshire Regiment seizing the palace in Mandalay.

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And I'm not sure how, but this bee

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came into the property of my grandfather.

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It was one of about 20 on the back of a throne.

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This is one, I think, of only three or four that survive to this day.

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The Western significance of the bee

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-as the symbol of industry, of endeavour, of activity.

-Yes.

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Which is very common.

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It's interesting to see it also had the same significance over there.

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Presumably carved wood, covered in lacquer.

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Now, that in itself is an indication of status.

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Um, lacquer was first used by the Chinese in the Han dynasty

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200 years before Christ,

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so it was a well-known material

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in the Far East.

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And it was always associated with quality, with wealth, with prestige,

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and the British were very fascinated by that.

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Queen Victoria had collections of Japanese lacquer,

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and so it may well be that those who were there in the 1880s thought, "Ah, lacquer - you know..."

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-Yes, might be, might be valuable.

-Might be valuable and, "the Queen likes this".

-Yes.

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So you say there are three or four.

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Where are they? Do we know?

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I think there's two in the Victoria and Albert here.

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I think there's another in America somewhere.

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Does it have emotional symbolic values to you as a family?

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Well, my family have always said that it's a very lucky bee

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and my wife of course is convinced that that is the case,

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and so she treats it rather carefully.

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How does it manifest its luck?

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Well, she says that if it's in a place which it's unhappy about,

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it will be found on the floor in the morning,

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and I think there is an occasion where that has proved to be so.

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Hopefully it's happy there and not going to jump off.

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-I hope no.

-Moving on, it is sitting...

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it is placed on this fabulous shawl, so tell me about this.

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Well, my grandmother, during the Delhi Durbar of 1911...

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Her husband, my grandfather, was the Controller of the Viceroy's Household

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and he was put in charge of organising the Delhi Durbar in 1911

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and the women's programme for the maharanis,

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for the wives of the maharajahs,

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was separately co-ordinated by my grandmother.

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-It was a complete separation.

-They weren't allowed to be with the men.

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All the maharajas' wives pooled together

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and produced a single present for my grandmother and this is it.

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It's a fabulous thing, it's got gold thread, wonderful colours.

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It's very contemporary. They were not giving her something

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that was in a sense traditionally Indian.

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-It was something that has a modern look about it.

-Yes.

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If you think of the pattern, there's quite a lot of Western influence.

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It's as though they chose something they thought that she as a Westerner would appreciate

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because she can relate to it.

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I may be wrong, but that's my feeling, that's my response to it.

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The two things together really tell your story, as a family associated

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-with India over a long period of time.

-That's why it's special.

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We've had a long link with the Indian army and this really is the sort of parts of the relics of it.

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Yeah. This is obviously a seriously important object.

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It would obviously would have importance to the government of Burma today as part of their history.

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-So much was destroyed, I regret to say, by us.

-Yes.

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Um, and therefore there is very little surviving from pre-British Burma.

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We could be talking tens of thousands, we could even

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be talking of hundreds of thousands, if its significance is so important in cultural terms.

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-So I won't even guess.

-Right, yes.

-And similarly the cloth.

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This is a glorious object.

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Taken out of context, it's just a wonderful thing.

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-It works as part of your family history.

-Yes.

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Again, in textile terms, it's worth several hundred pounds.

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-Yes.

-But that, again, is not the point.

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It's just so exciting to see these. This is why British history is so wonderful.

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I agree. Thank you very much.

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"Charles Dickens' buttons, worn by him on his smoking jacket

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"with certificate of his sister-in-law Georgina Hogarth."

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How did you come by this?

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Well, back in the early 1970s in business, I was introduced to

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a lovely gentleman by a colleague who dealt in various artefacts

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and he was selling bric-a-brac and so forth

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and one time he said, "Could you loan me £100?"

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He said "I've got good security for you. This is worth more than a hundred,"

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and he said, "but if I don't come back to by the end of the year you could keep this, and I assure you

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"it's worth more than 150."

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So the telephone went, he was going to meet me with the money.

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I expressed my disappointment because we'd hoped to keep it.

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He said, "Would you like to keep it?"

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So we agreed on it, so it's been in the family since then.

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Fantastic. Although it looks like a book, it's not because when we

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open it up inside, there are Charles Dickens' buttons and underneath them

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we've actually got a hand-written

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little letter that says, "I certify that these buttons

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"were always worn by my brother-in-law Charles Dickens on his smoking coat at Gad's Hill

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"from the time of his going there to...

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"Until his death - 9th June 1870".

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And then it's signed Georgina Hogarth.

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Very interesting because Georgina Hogarth was basically Charles Dickens' wife's sister.

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-Wife's sister, yes.

-And I'm going to let you into a little bit of a secret.

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There were a lot of rumours about at the time, and later, that his

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relationship with her may have been slightly more than platonic.

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-Is that right?

-Yes, and I think it's actually ironic that,

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in terms of her authenticating his buttons,

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if anybody knew, it was going to be her,

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because bearing in mind that she probably buttonholed him.

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Oh, there's something else here.

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"Made by Riviere & Son".

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They were amongst the best bookbinders in the country.

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Then based in London, now based down in Bath,

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but the actual quality of this is absolutely fantastic.

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Now, anything to do with Dickens, very, very collectable.

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-I think to the right person, I could see someone paying £2,000 for this.

-Could you?

-Absolutely.

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If you remember the street cry, "Stop me and buy one,"

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you'll know the theme we're about to introduce.

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This week's collector, Robin Weir, is not a flake

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but a serious historian of ice cream and everything about it.

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Robin, when did people start making and eating ice cream?

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Well, the earliest records of ice cream are around the sort of 1650s

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in Naples, and this is where ice cream really started,

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and it was a very, very extravagant thing to have.

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You needed a lot of servants, you needed people who knew how to make

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ice cream and you had to have access to ice, which was very expensive.

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So what's the earliest relic or bit of evidence you've got here of the ice-cream story?

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Well, the earliest thing that we've got probably is this print

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which is a Neapolitan ice-cream seller.

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It's from about 1840 but this was one of the first prints

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-of somebody actually selling ice cream.

-And what is this guy doing?

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Well, this is a Russian ice-cream seller.

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It's a sculpture by a man called Napoleon Jacques,

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who was a Frenchman, and it's incredibly detailed.

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You can see he's holding a little ice-cream glass here

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which was what they used before the ice-cream cone was invented.

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And those are what he's holding?

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Well, these are English ones.

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-Penny licks?

-Yes, these are penny licks

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and this is how they served ice cream initially.

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They would get a glass like this, they'd put the ice cream into it

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and then you would lick it out, then you'd hand it back and the next person

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would use it, and so on. They never got washed.

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They were ultimately outlawed.

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-Because...

-They were spreading tuberculosis.

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This is a particularly interesting one.

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It's about the meanest one I've ever seen. You'd get almost no ice cream in it!

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-It's a trick glass!

-Almost, but when it has ice cream in it,

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-it actually looks much bigger than it really is.

-So these are obviously moulds.

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Are you telling me that you make an ice cream in the shape of...?

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Oh, yes, these are lead pewter moulds.

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These are old ones, and what you do is, you start off with the mould,

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and then you pour in all the various colours of ice cream.

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This was really ice cream - or sorbet in this case - as decoration.

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It was table decoration.

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Obviously you'd eat it, but everyone would ooh and aah when the servants brought it in.

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-It would be a pity to spoil it.

-Well, it is a pity to spoil it.

0:21:120:21:16

The ultimate thing would be to do a mould in the shape of your own head. What an idea.

0:21:160:21:20

Well, I was offered one of George Washington's head this morning, from somebody in America!

0:21:200:21:26

And what is your collection comprised completely?

0:21:260:21:31

-What have you got altogether? Hundreds of...

-This is a tiny bit.

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I got involved in ice cream when my children started slipping into the supermarket trollies

0:21:350:21:40

ghastly flavours of ice cream

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and I started to try and make ice cream and one gets obsessive

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-and you buy more and more ice-cream stuff. We've now got over 400 books on it.

-And your favourite flavour?

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My favourite flavour of ice cream

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is Parmesan cheese ice cream served with a fresh pear.

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And that is a very old thing.

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People get all excited, saying, "My goodness, savoury ice creams, how ridiculous!"

0:22:020:22:06

The Georgians and Victorians had dozens of flavours like this.

0:22:060:22:11

Well, give me a vanilla and a Flake any time.

0:22:110:22:14

This one is a very exotic shape so tell me about this one.

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Yes, that's the old...rose that blew over in the gale. That's where it snapped,

0:22:170:22:22

it died off, so I dug the root up and carved that on the root there.

0:22:220:22:26

And what was your chosen subject here?

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-The devil.

-The devil.

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Well, I'm a bit of a devil.

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-You were in Africa?

-Yes.

0:22:330:22:35

-You were in Italy?

-Yes.

-Then you went to France and Germany.

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So they used you well, didn't they?

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-They did indeed.

-Now, what regiment?

0:22:400:22:43

-The Scots Greys.

-Scots Greys?

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-The Royal Scots.

-So you weren't on horses then, you were in tanks.

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In tanks, yes. On tank command.

0:22:490:22:51

I think you gave up your horses in Palestine?

0:22:510:22:54

-That was right, that's right, yes.

-When?

-About 1940.

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Yeah, I bet it broke your heart didn't it, so part with your horses?

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It did, but we had to take part in a man's war, as Churchill said.

0:23:010:23:04

Yes, so then what happened?

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Well, I left the Scots Greys in '45 and went to the Lifeguards.

0:23:070:23:10

-Really?

-Yes.

-How long for?

0:23:100:23:13

-20 years.

-Good Lord.

-Yes.

0:23:130:23:16

-And how did you finish up?

-I was a Corporal of Horses in the Lifeguards and then

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in '65 I left the Lifeguards and went to the Honourable Artillery Company for 14 years.

0:23:200:23:25

Gosh, so you became a gunner.

0:23:250:23:27

I became a gunner. Actually I was a musician, I was in the band.

0:23:270:23:30

That's wonderful, isn't it?

0:23:300:23:32

-But you've got all these for the coronations and...

-Jubilees.

0:23:320:23:36

Jubilees, that's unusual.

0:23:360:23:38

This is a unique group and I would think that any collector would love this group.

0:23:380:23:43

-Yes.

-And he would pay something like...

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-£1,500, £1,600 for it.

-Really, really?

-Yes.

0:23:460:23:49

This lady is an adopted aunt of mine

0:23:510:23:54

who I'd known all my life.

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She was a wonderful woman and my mother got to know her during the war,

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-and so I've known her since I was a little boy.

-Really? How interesting.

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Yes, her father was a wealthy man.

0:24:040:24:08

-Right.

-And I understand he lost his money from some business enterprise.

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And she had been educated at home and all of a sudden had to

0:24:120:24:18

earn money, earn her keep.

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And she came down to London and she made her living as a dance hostess in the '30s

0:24:210:24:26

-and she died about ten years ago when she was 90.

-Really? Gosh.

0:24:260:24:32

And her husband died last year, he was 96 and he was a remarkable chap as well.

0:24:320:24:37

So dancing kept them very young.

0:24:370:24:39

-Yes, yes, it certainly did. This is a picture of her, in her 30s.

-Right.

0:24:390:24:44

Just pre-war. And I think that was about sort of '37, '38.

0:24:440:24:49

-With a charming companion.

-Charming companion, yes, yes.

0:24:490:24:52

-Such a great photograph.

-Yes, it's a lovely photo.

0:24:520:24:54

You can see the likeness there, that sort of rather wonderful look.

0:24:540:24:58

I love it. It's such a wonderful portrait

0:24:580:25:01

and she looks so sweet and fun and engaging

0:25:010:25:04

with the doll and the elephant here.

0:25:040:25:07

It's sort of casual,

0:25:070:25:09

not the typical formal portrait you had from the century before.

0:25:090:25:13

So it's a very informal and charming portrait.

0:25:130:25:15

It's painted here by an Edwardian artist

0:25:150:25:18

called William Raymond Symonds

0:25:180:25:22

-and it's dated 1910.

-Yes.

-So that gives us a good indication

0:25:220:25:26

She's probably here, what...?

0:25:260:25:28

-About five, six.

-Yes, exactly.

0:25:280:25:30

And actually, this picture was exhibited

0:25:300:25:33

in the Royal Academy in 1910.

0:25:330:25:35

-Was it?

-And she was called "Beryl"

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-which I assume is right.

-Yes.

0:25:370:25:39

-We have a slight condition problem here, with the picture.

-Yes, yes.

0:25:390:25:43

I mean, just don't be alarmed and I wouldn't advise everyone to do this with their pictures,

0:25:430:25:48

but if I just get a bit of spit and you just do that...

0:25:480:25:52

And you see how this varnish, which is called blooming varnish -

0:25:520:25:56

it's not a swear word - it's just where, it's really rotting varnish, it's old varnish.

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And it's very easy to clean. Take it to any restorer,

0:26:020:26:05

they'll strip the varnish off and put on a new varnish.

0:26:050:26:09

Is that a very expensive process?

0:26:090:26:11

It depends where you go to, and you want to go to someone reputable who'll do the job well

0:26:110:26:16

and I think it probably would cost £1,000 maybe £2,000 to have done,

0:26:160:26:21

because it is a skilled job.

0:26:210:26:24

But it's such a beautiful thing, and I really love it.

0:26:240:26:30

I would say something like this would be worth between sort of

0:26:300:26:33

-£7,000 and £10,000, that sort of price.

-Mm, yes.

0:26:330:26:36

So well worth having cleaned.

0:26:360:26:38

Yes. I mean, although it's not damaging the picture,

0:26:380:26:42

you can't see it really,

0:26:420:26:44

and you want to see all these wonderful vibrant colours.

0:26:440:26:47

The clean will show you everything the artist intended you to see.

0:26:470:26:52

Well, this is far and away above the average triple top table.

0:26:520:26:56

This immediately tells us that it's a games table and will have

0:26:560:27:00

two tops which open up and provide us with a third surface for something.

0:27:000:27:04

Before we do that, tell me about the family history.

0:27:040:27:08

Well, basically in 1900, Earl Rosslyn said the reason he wasn't the richest man in the world

0:27:080:27:15

was because all the wheels in these casinos were fixed so as to suit the bank.

0:27:150:27:22

If he got an honest wheel, his system would guarantee to win.

0:27:220:27:26

-Right.

-And he boasted it all over London until everybody got really fed up with him,

0:27:260:27:31

and the King, King Edward VII, he told Sir Hiram Maxim,

0:27:310:27:36

-the great American.

-The machine gunner?

0:27:360:27:39

Yes, who had written a book on Monte Carlo facts and fallacies.

0:27:390:27:44

Knew all about it, and told him to deal with it and sort it out.

0:27:440:27:47

-Right.

-So Sir Hiram said, "All right,"

0:27:470:27:50

and he had this built, purely for the occasion.

0:27:500:27:54

-This table?

-This particular table.

0:27:540:27:57

And on 19th September, 1908, in a flat in Piccadilly, they each had £10,000 worth

0:27:570:28:05

of chips - the equivalent of about £500,000 of our money.

0:28:050:28:09

And with only observers and a secretary, they played and played till the 29th September

0:28:090:28:16

when Rosslyn admitted he was broke, that his system was no damn good and he had to give it up entirely.

0:28:160:28:23

-And it was on this table?

-On this table.

0:28:230:28:26

Let's have a look at it. OK?

0:28:260:28:28

And this is what Sir Hiram Maxim made.

0:28:280:28:32

This is the wheel that he invented to be absolutely cheat-proof, right?

0:28:330:28:37

So there would be no possibility... and of course it was small enough

0:28:370:28:41

for them to take to pieces like this.

0:28:410:28:43

They could see there was no possible way that this could cheat,

0:28:430:28:47

so the poor chap was proved to be...

0:28:470:28:49

And there were arbiters, and there were umpires from both sides.

0:28:490:28:52

Well, now, how very difficult

0:28:520:28:54

-to put a value on such a thing.

-Impossible.

-It is really.

0:28:540:28:59

What I like about it honestly

0:28:590:29:01

is such magnificent craftsmanship, as a cabinet maker.

0:29:010:29:04

-Look at these...

-I think that's a very good approach to it.

0:29:040:29:08

How much would it cost to make such a thing today?

0:29:080:29:10

Without that provenance... The provenance doubles it.

0:29:100:29:14

-It would cost probably between £10,000 and £15,000 to make such a thing today.

-Yes, I'm sure of it.

0:29:140:29:20

And we'd easily double that because of that marvellous provenance.

0:29:200:29:24

Now can I put across four, I'll have a thousand on 20 to 24, OK?

0:29:240:29:28

Oh, I don't know about that.

0:29:280:29:30

Hard on the BBC if you make it, but there you are.

0:29:300:29:34

-Oh, oh, it was so close.

-Close, yes, my dear fellow.

-Rolled it in there.

0:29:380:29:43

We'll have your pay in no time at all, take it from me.

0:29:430:29:47

I only know that it's been in the family for years.

0:29:470:29:50

I think it belonged to my great great aunt.

0:29:500:29:53

And now my mother has it, but I know nothing.

0:29:530:29:55

We just have it for decoration, it's one of a pair.

0:29:550:29:58

This is a trembleuse cup and saucer, designed and named after people who had the trembles.

0:29:580:30:03

It was intended for infirm people who had shakes.

0:30:030:30:07

The cup sits very firmly inside the saucer there,

0:30:070:30:11

so however much you've got a shaking hand, you can't possibly spill your coffee or chocolate.

0:30:110:30:17

Made by the great Sevres factory, the mark tells us all we need to know.

0:30:170:30:21

There is the Sevres mark, the monogram of Louis XV, and the initial date letter. The "N"

0:30:210:30:28

in the middle is the year code for 1766 so it goes back to that year,

0:30:280:30:33

and the painter's symbol on the top tells us it was painted by Noel, a great painter at Sevres.

0:30:330:30:38

He specialised in these wonderful ornaments and decorations

0:30:380:30:41

of formal scrags, borders, and the quality is just so sensuous.

0:30:410:30:46

-So a pair of them?

-Yes.

0:30:460:30:48

And the other one's in just as good a condition as this one.

0:30:480:30:51

That's so important too, because a single cup and saucer of this quality

0:30:510:30:56

is going to be pushing £5,000.

0:30:560:30:59

Oh!

0:30:590:31:00

You're joking.

0:31:020:31:05

So a pair of this quality, absolutely stunning, £10,000.

0:31:050:31:09

You need a steady hand in order to take that in, don't you?

0:31:090:31:13

Absolutely. Maybe you should hold onto it for a bit longer.

0:31:130:31:17

I'm delighted to say that David Linley has popped in to see us.

0:31:180:31:22

Your design headquarters are up the road.

0:31:220:31:25

-Yes, just Pimlico Road, just behind here.

-How long have you been here?

-Been here about 12 years now.

0:31:250:31:30

-Have you brought anything in for us?

-Well, I brought this mystery object for you.

0:31:300:31:34

Oh.

0:31:340:31:36

Which I collected on the Pimlico Road.

0:31:360:31:39

You'd better do something with that. So you bought that locally?

0:31:390:31:42

Yes, I always try and collect things that I find interesting.

0:31:420:31:46

We try and use the old to inspire the future.

0:31:480:31:54

-So how old is this?

-This is about 1840

0:31:540:31:58

and, as you'll see,

0:31:580:32:00

it's a rather ingenious pocket lectern.

0:32:000:32:04

There you are, you see, and this opens like this

0:32:050:32:11

and goes onto a table.

0:32:110:32:13

What will they think of next? Quite wonderful.

0:32:130:32:15

And obviously this is the kind of thing that inspires you.

0:32:150:32:18

Absolutely. I mean, to me, invention and quirky objects...

0:32:180:32:23

I believe that furniture and collecting should be fun

0:32:230:32:26

and that, you know, here's an object that is something that I'd never seen before and you still

0:32:260:32:33

continuously find things, you know, that inspire us as designers to make things interesting.

0:32:330:32:40

Speaking of which, from this to this.

0:32:400:32:44

Well, this is a humidor based on the four gates going into Istanbul.

0:32:450:32:52

And what we've done is, we've used all sorts of different crafts

0:32:520:32:56

such as turning and carving and inlay, as you can see here.

0:32:560:33:00

How many kinds of wood?

0:33:000:33:02

There's about five or six different woods here, but the craftsmanship

0:33:020:33:06

is the link that I think is what is fantastic.

0:33:060:33:09

And inside, again,

0:33:090:33:11

we're just using every space available, a little ashtray,

0:33:110:33:15

that's for your cigars in there and all the bits.

0:33:150:33:19

And again you can see the pattern through the back.

0:33:190:33:23

And the only change really from the 18th and 19th century

0:33:230:33:27

is the fact that we can now use laser technology

0:33:270:33:29

to create very highly complicated designs that you can see here.

0:33:290:33:35

It's from antique furniture that these designs come to mind?

0:33:350:33:39

Absolutely. I remember going round with my mother, going to Urbino and seeing this amazing room

0:33:390:33:46

full of false perspective, all done in marquetry, beautiful 15th century

0:33:460:33:51

intarsia work and that's what inspires me, by looking back and seeing how things are created

0:33:510:33:57

and how we can include them for work in pieces of furniture for today.

0:33:570:34:01

The Linley sense of humidor. Who knows? 100 years from now,

0:34:010:34:06

-people will be saying, "Look at this wonderful old thing."

-I hope so.

0:34:060:34:10

Well, on the face of it, this looks rather disappointing, doesn't it?

0:34:100:34:16

-A rather...

-I suppose so, yes.

0:34:160:34:18

-A rather stained little print.

-Yes.

0:34:180:34:21

Can you tell me a little bit about it?

0:34:210:34:23

Well, it was left to me by an old colleague at work.

0:34:230:34:26

-Yes.

-And, um,

0:34:260:34:28

she had marvellous stories about all sorts of things.

0:34:280:34:32

Some of them were very fantastic and so I didn't really listen

0:34:320:34:36

very much when she said she had a connection with the Empress Eugene.

0:34:360:34:40

-Aha, of France that is of course.

-Yes, exactly,

0:34:400:34:45

and so I didn't really take much notice and I didn't expect

0:34:450:34:48

her to leave it to me anyway, and then it came and I wished I'd learned more from her at the time.

0:34:480:34:54

Right, if we raise this

0:34:540:34:56

like so,

0:34:560:34:58

we see this incredibly interesting portrait bust of Napoleon and it's full of wonderful symbolism which is

0:34:580:35:04

perhaps lost to certain people today, but in 1815 or '16 when this was made, these were very potent symbols.

0:35:040:35:13

And here, we have the snake eating its tail, a symbol of eternal life.

0:35:130:35:19

It's in this rather wonderful frame which looks like a sort of sunburst

0:35:190:35:23

-and perhaps alluding to royalty, because of course he was treated as a royal.

-Yes.

0:35:230:35:29

And of course the eagle of France.

0:35:290:35:31

-And it luckily tells you it's Napoleon.

-Yes, it's very lucky it tells you it's Napoleon.

0:35:310:35:36

I'm always very keen on labels like that. Us experts use them all the time, you know.

0:35:360:35:40

And here of course the flag of France.

0:35:400:35:43

-They've managed to fit in a lot in a small space.

-They have,

0:35:430:35:46

and then if you just pop this back here, actually, suddenly, you see this is a little

0:35:460:35:53

homage to Napoleon as well.

0:35:530:35:56

And we have the violets. Aren't they sort of Napoleon's flower?

0:35:560:36:01

-Yes, definitely.

-And if you look very carefully

0:36:010:36:04

there are portraits of Napoleon here, the outline, the profile of Napoleon,

0:36:040:36:08

and I think there's two more.

0:36:080:36:10

Yes, there's one here and there's another one tucked away there.

0:36:100:36:14

Nobody would find them if they didn't look very closely.

0:36:140:36:18

Exactly. It's an interesting idea

0:36:180:36:20

if you think that this was perhaps hanging in an English person's home.

0:36:200:36:24

-And when you had the Wellington relations to come to dinner, you would...

-Clamp it down, yes!

0:36:240:36:30

Exactly. And then when you had your French cousins, you would open that up as your

0:36:300:36:35

wonderful homage to Napoleon and oh, look there's something written here.

0:36:350:36:40

-Oh, that I didn't know.

-I've just seen that, it says "London" -

0:36:400:36:43

all I can read - and then "1816".

0:36:430:36:46

-1816.

-But look, is that a "B"

0:36:460:36:48

for Bonaparte, do you think?

0:36:480:36:50

-Isn't that fascinating?

-It's magnificent.

0:36:500:36:52

So that probably dates it to a year after the print, so it really is very, very contemporary.

0:36:520:37:00

There's a huge following of Napoleon.

0:37:000:37:02

-Yes.

-And a lot of collectors, and I think something like this

0:37:020:37:07

-could make... This is a guess, I think £1,500 perhaps even £2,000.

-Oh, goodness me.

0:37:070:37:12

-It's just unique, I think.

-Yes.

0:37:120:37:15

-This is Armentieres here.

-It is, yes.

0:37:150:37:18

And this is a trench map which came out during the First World War.

0:37:180:37:23

Now, you look rather young to have been in the First World War.

0:37:230:37:28

These belonged to my grandfather

0:37:280:37:29

-on my mother's side.

-On your mother's side, to be specific.

-Yeah.

-That's splendid.

0:37:290:37:34

-Did you ever go to Armentieres?

-I did, I was in there in 1940

0:37:340:37:40

prior to the evacuation of Dunkirk.

0:37:400:37:42

Gosh, how did you manage to get out of Dunkirk?

0:37:420:37:46

-Well, I was busy, but you can ask my mate.

-Go on, tell me, how did he get out?

0:37:460:37:51

How did we get out?

0:37:510:37:52

-Is it both of you were at Dunkirk?

-We were both there but we didn't know one another then.

-Right.

0:37:520:37:59

We rowed out to one of the big boats,

0:37:590:38:01

but it wasn't Dunkirk, you see, it was for about ten miles of beaches.

0:38:010:38:06

-Yes, yes.

-And we came off at a place called Bray Dunes which is almost...

0:38:060:38:13

-And how did you manage to escape the bullets?

-Well, you had to dodge!

0:38:130:38:17

-Dig a hole in the sand.

-When they came over you, in the sand dunes.

-Gosh, gosh.

0:38:170:38:23

That's absolutely wonderful,

0:38:230:38:25

-but you're both here now and you're both in the same regiment.

-Now, yes.

-The Royal Hospital Regiment.

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The idea of these, they were issued to the Army to show where the trenches were.

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And I notice you've got one here, you've got quite a few, but you've got one here of Arras.

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-Arras.

-I went through there on the way to Belgium.

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But this one shows all the trenches.

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It does, yeah, all the blue ones, yeah.

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All the blue ones and all that sort of thing. Now, as you can imagine,

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First World War trench maps, by their very nature, are bound to be very easy to get lost -

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in the mud, in the terrible conditions out in France,

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so to find the ones that survive is quite a good thing.

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-And I've got four!

-You've got four?

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Anyway, let's cut to the value.

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What do you think?

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-A tenner a piece.

-Go on, have a guess.

-I haven't got a clue how much.

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No, I think we can do better than a tenner a piece, I think we do something like £100 each.

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-Oh, where we going?

-Where are we going?

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This is a beautiful brooch. It's very old. How long have you had it?

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Oh, I suppose about 25 or 26 years,

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I think I was around about 70-odd then and I'm nearly 92 now.

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Fantastic! Isn't that marvellous? And any idea where it was made?

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Could possibly be French.

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Well, it is French, actually. Now, tell me about how this brooch came to you.

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Well, let me see. It was around about 1977, something like that.

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And, er, my lady had gone out for the day

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and it was very strange because she had gone out to lunch with her friend

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and I thought, "Oh, good, that gives me time to do a little job in the house."

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We'd just lost our housekeeper,

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and I was working away, came in to the flat, just as she rang the bell to say she was coming home, come in.

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I opened the door, and her friend and she moved in followed by two men.

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The one with the dispatch case said to me, "Lay down on the floor, this is real,"

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and produced a pistol or a gun in front of me, you know.

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-No!

-And I looked at him and I said, "What?"

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-so surprised.

-I should think so.

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And then he turned round and said, "Don't be bloody stupid, this is real."

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-No!

-So I said, "You get the hell out of it! I'll call the police!"

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-in which both he and his partner turned round and rushed out of the house.

-So you drove them off?

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I drove them off. I chased them part of the way down the road but lost them at the corner.

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You are absolutely fantastic.

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I came back,

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sat down on the doorstep and burst into tears.

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Oh, no, oh, goodness.

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Well, you were very, very brave.

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And I think your lady thought you were very brave to give you such a beautiful brooch.

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Yes, she gave me one or two very nice things in her life, you know.

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Well, I've got something startling to tell you.

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There's a tiny mark on the clasp here which has the initials of a craftsman called Aucoc.

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It's A-U-C-O-C.

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Now, he's a very important jeweller working in Paris in 1900,

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perhaps not for his own sake quite so much,

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but that he trained somebody who was the towering genius of the Art Nouveau Movement

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called Rene Lalique, who made the most spectacular jewellery and then moved into glass.

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He's the greatest genius really of the Art Nouveau Movement,

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never mind in jewellery, and this was his master.

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It's chased gold and enamel with diamonds in platinum

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and it incorporates everything that's important about Art Nouveau.

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It's highly sculptural. There are four portraits of children here

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in relief in gold, and it includes these marvellous flower motifs

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and this is a distillation of all that was going on in the Art Nouveau Movement in 1900 in Paris.

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A very dramatic and beautiful jewel.

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And the combination of this, and your story of how you acquired it, is an absolute bombshell.

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But there are two bombshells to hurl around here. Not only is that

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the most moving story I've ever heard in my life,

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but the value is another.

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And I have to say I think that it should be insured for £8,000 today.

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Oh, my gosh!

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Ooh, oh, golly.

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It's been a double pleasure for us today - the usual chance to see some fine objects

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and the unusual opportunity to get an understanding of the kind of work that goes on here, the organisation,

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the dedication, the loving skill that goes into making sure

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that men who have served well are now themselves served well.

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So until the next show, from the Royal Hospital in Chelsea, goodbye.

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