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This week the Roadshow has come to a city of contrasts and superlatives,

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a city of granite, a city of flowers.

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Its quarries have created the biggest hole in Europe

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and it runs the oldest business in Britain.

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SHIP'S HORN BLOWS

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Sitting at the mouth of the River Dee,

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Aberdeen harbour has been a successful enterprise for nearly 900 years.

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It first started charging ships an entrance fee back in 1136

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and its continuous use has earned it a place in the Guinness Book Of Records.

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It's all the more remarkable

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because the harbour wasn't blessed with many natural advantages - quite the opposite,

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it was incredibly shallow and full of treacherous moving sandbanks.

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Not ideal conditions for large ships.

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HORN BLOWS

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But with hard work it proved a success

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and has been the cornerstone of the Aberdeen economy down the centuries.

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The wealth that came from herring, salmon, granite and oil has resulted in a unique city

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with buildings of a suitable grandeur.

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From the oldest town house in town...

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..to the so-called wedding cake of Marischal College,

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when the weather's right, Aberdeen shimmers.

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Pretty well all the buildings here are made of granite

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and that's what catches the light.

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Some call it the silver city.

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Sitting on the magnificent mile-long Union Street and another tribute to the great rock

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is our venue for today, the Aberdeen Music Hall.

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The front of the building with its dramatic Doric columns

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was built in 1822 as Assembly Rooms

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and won the designer a prize of 50 guineas.

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30 years later a great concert hall was added,

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and so the Music Hall was born.

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The hall is renowned for its acoustics.

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With a curved ceiling and a wooden floor,

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the sound bounces around very nicely.

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Now we hear a gentle murmur

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as the people of Aberdeen enter the Music Hall

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to join the Roadshow's troop of experts...

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The performance is about to begin.

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We know about fairies and pixies, but do you believe in firbolgs?

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Not really.

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Because that's what these little creatures are, firbolgs,

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very strange breed of the fairy folk.

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There are so many of them on there, aren't there? What's the background?

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My father bought it at a big house,

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-at a sale, an auction, I think it was 1952 or '53.

-Oh.

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And, you know, he just loved it and it's been in the family ever since.

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Do you remember the cost?

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I have no...never... I have no idea what it was.

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We're looking at a kind of pottery here made by Wedgwood...

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well at about 1920.

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Eccentric designer at Wedgwood, Daisy Makeig-Jones invented this...

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strange images of fairyland and she called her creatures firbolgs.

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Let's have a look at some of these creatures.

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We've got here a pine tree and these little folk are falling out of the tree.

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Firbolgs were rather unfortunate,

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a lot of accidents happened to them and they were generally a bit frightened themselves.

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That one there, oh, he's actually got caught up in the trees,

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looks like his pants are being pulled off by the tree and other chaps are running away.

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They're a bit frightening, aren't they?

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-I wouldn't like to meet them.

-No.

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So, um, we understand perhaps why people didn't rush out to buy these when they were new.

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That really is the crucial thing, because people didn't buy these when they were introduced in 1919.

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This was only made for a couple of years,

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-this particular design and colouring.

-I see.

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And that makes it actually quite rare.

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Daisy Makeig-Jones gave her fairyland lustre designs individual numbers.

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This is her number four which is one of the rarest of the patterns.

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Because it was a bit strange,

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people didn't like it and they didn't rush out to buy it.

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Then it was discovered again in the 1970s, early '80s by...

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particularly American collectors started to pay considerable sums

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for pieces like these.

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Since then prices have been rising and rising and now they're serious collectables internationally.

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So a vase like that one in fine condition,

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today we're looking at...

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-what, £3,500?

-Gosh, no, I couldn't believe that.

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And another £3,000 there.

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Heavens, that's unbelievable, I mean I thought they'd be worth something,

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but I had no idea.

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Right, here we have Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

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from the famous picture by Walt Disney, so where did you get it?

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It belonged to my mother-in-law who was given it as a present

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from her aunt who was a nurse in a hospital in America during the '30s.

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Um, well I think the film was 1936, wasn't it?

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I'm not entirely sure... I think so.

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The stitching is rather loose. Obviously it was given to a child who liked to read it,

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and play with it, but the most extraordinary thing about this fairly insignificant book,

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is this magnificent signature of Walt Disney himself.

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Now the problem with Walt Disney's signature is

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there were a lot of studio assistants who actually did it for him.

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The right Walt Disney is this roundness.

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Too many of the other ones are square, but these are all round

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and you can see his wonderful flowing handwriting. So, I...

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He was visiting the hospital that she was a nurse...

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-You should have told me that in the first place, I...

-OK. He signed it in front of her.

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So it is, well the story goes, it was him that actually signed it.

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I think that's absolutely fantastic.

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So the book itself, not a lot of money, but with the Walt Disney signature,

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-we're talking about somewhere in the region of £500 to £800...

-Wow.

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-What about that?

-Yeah, wow. I would never sell it, but...

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We're in the lowlands today but I was hoping somebody would bring

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something like this which actually is more traditionally known as from the highlands.

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Yes, that's true.

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It's a basket-hilted broadsword. Where did you get it from?

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I got it from a junk shop in the Gallowgate in Glasgow in 1949

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and it cost me two quid.

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-£2?

-Yes, because...

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I was really, at that time, greatly interested in Scottish history.

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It was a month's wages delivering papers in those days. That's what it was.

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You were earning 10 shillings a week?

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-Ten bob a week.

-50 pence a week?

-Yeah.

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-And you were how old at the time?

-I was...18 at the time, yeah.

-18, OK.

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Well, what we have is a traditional Scottish broadsword...

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not claymore, people in the south think they're called claymores...

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they're called broadswords. A claymore is a completely different item.

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It's a lovely object, though, and what did you want to know about it? Why did you bring it in?

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Well, I wanted to know if it really was genuine or just a Victorian copy.

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OK, well from a technical point of view

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the pommel is the interesting thing

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because that's certainly more like an English broadsword pommel

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rather than a Scottish pommel, but forget that - it could have been replaced.

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The sword itself is a very good example

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of an 18th-century, mid-18th-century Scottish basket-hilted broadsword,

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-so it is a genuine piece.

-The real thing?

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-Oh, that's braw.

-It's the real thing and it's 18th century.

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But I suppose having paid £2 for it,

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a month's wages, you'd like to know what it's worth today.

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Not really, I'm not all that concerned.

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-You're not concerned?

-No I'm not.

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-It'll stay in the family, I'm not selling it.

-I'm glad it's staying in the family

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but of course these things do have a commercial value, you know.

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-Uh-huh.

-And, a month's wages in 19... when was this?

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-1949.

-1949, which was £2 for you,

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would convert into £1,500 to £2,000 today.

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Och, away, it's not worth that!

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That!

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Piece of junk. GRAHAM LAUGHS

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It's a piece of junk I would willingly take home with me.

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I can't believe that.

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Honest to God, I honestly thought it was a piece of Victorian kitsch.

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Highly collectable 18th century sword, there you go.

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Thank you very much, that's braw! Oh, great, thank you very much.

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Now, obviously you spend your time sailing the seas.

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I wish. I mean, this was obviously the heyday of the ocean liners.

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-So have you ever been on a ship?

-No, no.

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So all this is fantasy, in a way?

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Yes, I mean it's such a bygone age that's never going to be repeated.

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So in terms of your collection, what does this represent? Half, tenth?

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Not even half, this would be the tip of the iceberg.

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-So it's a real Titanic experience?

-It is, yes.

-Right.

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How did you get into this? Where does it start?

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I'd say it was the film Titanic, started reading the books about her,

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then reading books on other liners and then woke up one morning,

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went up to my local antiques centre and started off with a 50 pence postcard of the Queen Mary.

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So this is the cause of it all?

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-It is.

-So, if you hadn't bought that postcard you'd have a nice empty house?

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Yes, more than likely - and a very large bank balance.

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So...let's deal with it by section.

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Shipping postcards, presumably you've got albums of them, have you?

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Yes, well I've got about 700.

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OK, so this launched 700 other cards. What do they fetch?

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Your typical postcard, I mean, no more...

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-£5?

-Yeah, some of the rare ones like from the Lusitania,

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the early ones, you might pay a bit more.

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Yes. But somebody could build up a good collection of shipping postcards

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-never paying more than £5, couldn't they? You could still do it.

-Yes.

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So this is a very accessible area. Let's move on...

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Now, menus I've always loved, I think menus are wonderful

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because they're wonderfully dated ephemera, what date is that?

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-I mean, that's 1930s...

-It has to be.

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And here we have a menu for supper and cabaret on the Mauritania, great ship.

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By then it's the second Mauritania.

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-No, no, it's still the first.

-Still the first, is it? Oh, '32 yes.

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But she's gone into her cruising white and she was on a cruise to Gibraltar.

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At this point. So you can bring it all back to life,

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you know what the ships were doing, you've done the research.

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Everything depends on the ship, is that fair?

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It does, that is very fair.

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-I mean, it's like a breakfast menu from the Lusitania, upwards of over £100.

-Yes.

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An everyday one from Queen Mary from the late '60s, £5.

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That's stuff that you could buy, that was given away.

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Everything else here, putting it crudely, you had to steal, didn't you?

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-Yes, unfortunately and obviously the smaller items like cutlery and that easy to...

-Went into pockets.

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Quite how something like...

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The great cooking pot.

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..which I'm guessing as I imported that back from America is possibly off one of the Queens.

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And here we have the White Star vegetable dish, off...

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-do you know what it's off?

-Possibly the Olympic.

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So it's the Titanic's sister ship, so the Titanic was fitted with things like this.

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Exactly the same design because I have seen examples of that dish brought up from the wreck.

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So we know this is a Titanic-style piece.

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So does that give it a premium?

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Yes, I mean upwards of £300 to £400.

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Now, have you got any Titanic stuff?

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-No.

-Would you ever want a Titanic thing?

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Well, like I say, I mean my whole collection is probably worth one Titanic menu card.

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Yeah, OK, we'd better sum up in terms of values.

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We've talked about £5 or so for the cards and the menus, a really good bit of metalwork can be £300,

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a teapot can be £50 to £100. What's your collection worth?

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£10,000?

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-And the rest.

-And the rest.

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My approximate value would be somewhere in the region of sort of £20,000, £25,000.

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Are you a driven man? Are you an addict?

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-I would say I'm bordering on addict.

-You're in danger.

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-Yes.

-Well, you'll need a bigger flat.

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-That's all there is to it.

-Yes, thank you very much.

-Thank you very much.

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When I was young,

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my husband and I used to go dancing every night of the week from Monday to Sunday...

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-In the old days when you had on an evening dress, you had to have an evening bag.

-Of course.

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So this is my two evening bags.

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-This one I got from the old ladies next door.

-Yes.

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And this one has a waterproof lining.

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-Right.

-And I bought it myself.

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-You did?

-Yes.

-Well, that's why you're so spruce now because...

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-Well, I still go dancing every Friday.

-You don't! No, give over.

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To Broom Hill Leisure Activity Centre.

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You were born, you told me in...?

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-Eh, 1915, the 13th of December 1915.

-And you're still dancing.

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And I'm still dancing and I was dancing with Lionel Blair.

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-You weren't! We ought to get you to dance with Michael Aspel on this dance floor.

-Yes, yes, I will.

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-You will?

-I'll waltz.

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I'll hold you to it.

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Now, we've got something else here.

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Tell me how you got this.

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This come from the two old ladies

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-who live next door to me.

-Yeah.

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It's an old-fashioned bottle-opener.

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Absolutely. And in fact...

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-what I would do is hold the bottle first and screw that in.

-Screw that in.

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And then it's right down, then you put this on the bottle.

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-Put it on, yes.

-Then put that into there so it's like that.

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-And then squeeze.

-And then you pull up.

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And it takes the cork out.

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Now this is by William Lund 1855, it says it here

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and it was made in London, so he was a well known corkscrew maker,

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and these are worth somewhere in the region of £150.

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-You're still going to go home and use it?

-Yes.

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Well, this is a pretty wacky little spaceship, isn't it?

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Tell me about it.

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I don't know anything about it, I got it at a car boot sale,

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it was on the floor and I was walking along and picked it up and bought it and that's all I know.

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-And you like it?

-I love it, I really do. It's so unusual, everybody comments on it and...

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It's a really wacky piece of glass. This is made by pouring glass into a mould.

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This is called sand casting, you make an object in...plaster

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and you push it into damp sand,

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then you pour the glass into the mould you've just created, let it cool very, very slowly

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otherwise it'll crack up.

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Then you tint, stain the back to create that look.

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We know who made it because she's written her name on it,

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which is very helpful, we like her for doing that.

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-Yes, I know.

-And it says "a unique sand casting by Sarah Peterson"

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Now, this is what's called studio glass.

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Technology has moved on to a point where instead of needing a factory to make glass,

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-you can almost make glass at home.

-Right.

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You can get all the equipment and it's like home-made glass-making.

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Now, there are hundreds and thousands of people doing this.

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I've had a look on the internet for who Sarah Peterson is,

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and there is one in Colorado but it may or may not be this one.

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The point about studio glass is that a value structure has yet to be established.

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-You see a piece, if you like it, you consider it to be worth it, you buy it.

-Right.

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If you think that's a good price.

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-Uh-huh.

-So, bearing in mind that you bought it in a booty for...?

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£10.

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-Well, I think it's got to be worth £200 at it is.

-Honest?

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I do, and time may tell whether Sarah Peterson is really the one to collect

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and this has been a fantastic bargain instead of just being a fab piece of glass

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that you love around the house.

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-OK, thanks very much.

-Not at all.

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Michael.

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Cath, my body is yours, shall we dance?

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-OK, now don't lead, will you?

-WALTZ MUSIC PLAYS

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Something like this poses lots of questions.

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Firstly it's not Scottish

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-or English or Irish, it's not British, it's Flemish.

-It's Flemish? OK.

-Yes, Flemish.

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It would have been... Well, it is oak...

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-you can see the graining of the oak just but it's been blackened and the gilding's been added later.

-OK.

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Possibly, I should guess, in the 19th century

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-which gives some of its age away, you've already guessed it's probably older.

-OK.

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We've got this lock here. Well, you know that's an honest replacement, isn't it?

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You can see there's a very old looking lock

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-but with a great big hole where a bigger lock would have been...

-Yes, yes.

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-Clearly that's been altered.

-Yes.

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You can just see the wonderful dryness of that back panel.

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-Yes.

-That's the colour I would like to have seen on the outside.

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I'm not worried about the gilt decoration and the black, not too much.

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-My first reaction... wow, it's a blinder.

-OK.

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Then I looked again and thought...not so sure.

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Then I started looking at the detail and you get lost,

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you look at all these details all over the place.

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The first one I noticed - and the reason for standing on this side - is this chap.

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-OK.

-He's rather good looking.

-Yes, very regal.

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-You know why he's good looking?

-Oh.

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-Perfect.

-Yes.

-His moustache.

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He's pointing at her, over there.

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-Right, I've never noticed that before.

-She's pointing at him.

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-It's very odd, isn't it?

-Yes.

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-That to me is very 17th century type of carving.

-OK.

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The whole shape, proportions of it are 17th century Flemish

0:19:310:19:35

and fairly early 17th century, we're talking 1620-1650.

0:19:350:19:40

-What, this part?

-Yeah, and the general scale and proportion of it.

0:19:400:19:43

I'll tell you what I don't understand is the carving up here.

0:19:430:19:47

This gadrooned fish scale type carving here and the gadrooning here,

0:19:470:19:51

they're not as good or as strongly carved as the carving for example on the door below here.

0:19:510:19:57

This is much more typical of the 1620-30 period

0:19:570:20:01

whereas that is more typical of the 1650-80 period.

0:20:010:20:05

-So someone somewhere has done a bit of fiddling about.

-Mm.

-I think this was taller.

-Was it?

0:20:050:20:12

And it's been reduced in height, possibly because it wouldn't fit into a small cottage,

0:20:120:20:17

having been made for one of those great big Dutch houses, one of those huge houses with tiled floors.

0:20:170:20:22

-I think most of this top part is new.

-OK.

0:20:220:20:24

-When I say "new", not 1630.

-OK.

0:20:240:20:28

Have you ever thought about that?

0:20:280:20:31

I've looked in many a book to try and find where it's come from,

0:20:310:20:36

what it's about, and I can't figure it out at all.

0:20:360:20:39

-Well, you've come to the right place.

-Ah, wonderful.

0:20:390:20:43

-Because we've had it for a few hours...

-Yeah.

0:20:430:20:45

-we took a digital photograph...

-You're joking.

0:20:450:20:47

sent them down to an armorial expert in London.

0:20:470:20:50

-Oh, you've made my day.

-When you look at the photograph,

0:20:500:20:53

the owl there shows it's the McTaggart family.

0:20:530:20:57

-Married into the McGowan family.

-OK.

0:20:570:20:59

So a Scottish family who moved to England...

0:20:590:21:02

this is the interesting bit for me...

0:21:020:21:04

-who moved to England in 1830.

-My word.

0:21:040:21:07

What is really fascinating, because they moved to England in 1830,

0:21:070:21:10

that's when there was a wonderful tournament called the Eglinton Tournament

0:21:100:21:15

where they did medieval revivals,

0:21:150:21:16

people were dressing up in suits of armour pretending they were medieval knights.

0:21:160:21:21

-OK.

-Sir Walter Scott was writing - couldn't get a greater Scottish writer.

0:21:210:21:25

-Yes.

-Was writing about this romantic period of the 17th century. So what has happened...

0:21:250:21:30

This has been, in my opinion, cut and shut in about 1830 for this family,

0:21:300:21:35

down in England when this was all the rage and the great fashion.

0:21:350:21:39

I am gobsmacked, absolutely gobsmacked that we've got a result on this one.

0:21:390:21:44

I just think it's, it's exactly the historical piece as I'd want to see it

0:21:440:21:48

and I'm as gobsmacked as you, to be able to do that research and to be able to find out...

0:21:480:21:53

It answers all the questions that I've been looking at and that's confirmed.

0:21:530:21:57

-A result.

-Fantastic.

0:21:570:21:59

How much did you pay?

0:21:590:22:00

I didn't, I didn't really grudge the money at all.

0:22:000:22:03

-What did you pay?

-£1,200 and I think it was well worth it.

0:22:030:22:08

Not bad.

0:22:080:22:10

I thought that it was probably worth,

0:22:100:22:13

as cut and shut, today about £5,000.

0:22:130:22:17

-Now we've got that documented history.

-Yeah?

0:22:190:22:23

-I want to up that a little.

-You're joking!

0:22:230:22:25

So for retail replacement, if you bought it from the same antique dealer,

0:22:250:22:29

who now would know more about it,

0:22:290:22:31

he'd probably... let's say charge you £6,000.

0:22:310:22:33

That's phenomenal.

0:22:330:22:35

Well, it's going back in the cottage anyway, that's where it's going.

0:22:350:22:39

-That's why they cut the top off.

-Yes!

-To get in the cottage.

0:22:390:22:43

I know Scotland is the home of golf, but this is the wackiest club I've ever seen.

0:22:450:22:49

-Yes, indeed.

-What can you tell me about it?

0:22:490:22:52

Well, we found it in my wife's house when we were clearing out

0:22:520:22:56

-and...we took it to the golf museum in St Andrews.

-Right.

0:22:560:22:59

And, they identified the maker, I think it was a company called Ayres,

0:22:590:23:03

they said they hadn't seen one before but they thought it was a driver.

0:23:030:23:06

Doesn't work as a driver, does it?

0:23:060:23:09

-Doesn't really, no.

-No, I think it's one of these patent putters...

0:23:090:23:13

As today, you know everybody wants to putt well

0:23:130:23:16

and they buy the latest gizmo, be it a ping putt or whatever it is, or a long shafted one.

0:23:160:23:21

I am sure this is much more of a putter,

0:23:210:23:23

it's got no playing surface to be used as a driver.

0:23:230:23:26

-But I've never seen this shape.

-Indeed.

0:23:260:23:29

Well, I think you've got something of extraordinary rarity, um...

0:23:290:23:33

and the market goes up and down,

0:23:330:23:34

The Far Eastern collectors were paying silly prices ten years ago.

0:23:340:23:38

They're coming back in a small way to the market.

0:23:380:23:41

-I would see this fetching £1,200, £1,500 today.

-Gosh.

0:23:410:23:45

-Do you play golf?

-I do indeed.

0:23:450:23:46

Well, why don't you give it a go? If you can get it in the hole, then hang on to it.

0:23:460:23:50

-OK, thanks.

-Thanks for bringing it in.

0:23:500:23:53

Thank you very much.

0:23:530:23:54

I want you to picture a world where in the domestic environment,

0:23:540:23:59

electricity had hardly been thought about and gas was for the very, very wealthy.

0:23:590:24:03

A clock of this type, in other words, a carriage clock,

0:24:030:24:06

always came in one of these leather travelling boxes.

0:24:060:24:11

And they always had a flap in the front

0:24:130:24:18

that could be parked in the back,

0:24:180:24:21

to reveal the clock during transit.

0:24:210:24:24

Think of this being dragged along to a lovely late Victorian or Edwardian house party...

0:24:240:24:30

a marvellous thing to pop by the side of your bed,

0:24:300:24:34

you couldn't click on the light switch so you pressed the button

0:24:340:24:38

and...

0:24:380:24:40

it repeated to the preceding hour.

0:24:400:24:44

Well, the slight give away that it's a fairly late example

0:24:440:24:47

is what we call the arcaded minute ring,

0:24:470:24:50

those little floral swags that just go all the way round there.

0:24:500:24:54

We have the maker's name: EM & Co,

0:24:540:24:56

that's Maurice and Company and above that it says "French make".

0:24:560:25:01

That is a sign with that dial that it's going to be early 20th century,

0:25:020:25:09

pretty much for our Edwardian market, so sort of 1905, 1910 perhaps.

0:25:090:25:15

We've got some lovely columns here with superb enamel all the way down

0:25:150:25:22

in this lovely white, red and blue. It's ever so handsome.

0:25:220:25:26

And this would have been a very, very expensive clock new.

0:25:260:25:30

So it sits at home,

0:25:300:25:32

hidden, clearly not insured or anything...or do you have it insured?

0:25:320:25:37

-It's only covered by the house insurance...at the moment.

-Great.

0:25:370:25:41

So, if it went missing, it wouldn't really be the end of your world?

0:25:410:25:44

This is before I take it away now, of course.

0:25:440:25:48

If it was to go missing, God forbid,

0:25:490:25:52

to replace that,

0:25:520:25:55

would be costing you

0:25:550:25:58

in the region of £4,000.

0:25:580:26:00

So I want you to get it out of wherever you keep it at home and just love it a little bit more.

0:26:020:26:08

-Will do.

-Good man.

0:26:080:26:12

Well, so thrilled and so delighted that you've brought along these items today.

0:26:120:26:18

In amongst this collection of Communion silver

0:26:180:26:22

there's one thing that immediately jumped out for me.

0:26:220:26:25

We've come all the way here to Aberdeen and here we are

0:26:250:26:28

with a piece by James Cromer Watt

0:26:280:26:30

which I recognised instantly

0:26:300:26:33

-from the work of delicate enamelling around the base.

-Yes.

0:26:330:26:37

Perhaps you could give us an idea what you know about it.

0:26:370:26:42

Well, it was commissioned during the ministry of James Cooper, at the east parish of St Nicholas.

0:26:420:26:49

He was minister in the latter part of the 19th century there and left in 1899

0:26:490:26:54

and this was a gift to him on his departure.

0:26:540:26:58

Then when he died, his wife gave it back to the church.

0:26:580:27:02

That was very generous of her.

0:27:020:27:03

The thing about Cromer Watt was he principally made jewellery

0:27:030:27:07

and always with delicate enamelling, usually with copper foil backgrounds and this just jumps out at you

0:27:070:27:13

as being a fabulous piece of his work.

0:27:130:27:16

Also the use of local pearls from the River Don and garnets here.

0:27:160:27:22

He trained at Glasgow School of Art and then set up a workshop in Aberdeen around about 1890s,

0:27:220:27:28

so this ties in as probably a very early commission for him

0:27:280:27:32

-and one that he's put a huge amount of effort and workmanship into getting it just correct.

-Yes.

0:27:320:27:38

It's also fascinating that in the whole group of Communion silver that you've brought along today,

0:27:380:27:44

principally these pieces here are from a much earlier date,

0:27:440:27:48

-they date from about 1740-1750.

-That's right, yes.

0:27:480:27:51

All I can say is that you've got the most fabulous thing

0:27:510:27:55

amongst other pieces here,

0:27:550:27:57

-this just jumps out as being absolutely astonishing.

-Yes.

0:27:570:28:01

It should really be a museum piece

0:28:010:28:03

but it's in safe keeping in the church.

0:28:030:28:05

-It's in safe keeping and we do use it on high holidays.

-It's still in use?

0:28:050:28:08

-It's still in use.

-Well, all I would say is be very careful with it...

0:28:080:28:12

It is fragile.

0:28:120:28:14

-It's a difficult thing to value, because obviously you couldn't replace it.

-No.

0:28:140:28:18

But you're looking at something probably in the order of £10,000.

0:28:180:28:23

NEWSREEL ANNOUNCER: 'Ladies and gentlemen,

0:28:260:28:29

'stand by for an important announcement.

0:28:290:28:34

'We're interrupting our programme for a piece of news for which we've all been waiting.

0:28:340:28:40

'The management announce with due thankfulness

0:28:400:28:44

'the official confirmation that hostilities in Europe have ceased.'

0:28:440:28:48

FANFARE

0:28:480:28:51

-What a relief! That's been going on since 1939.

-I know. It's a long time.

0:28:510:28:57

Where did you get this from?

0:28:570:28:59

My granddad was a projectionist in the cinema and just before the war finished

0:28:590:29:04

these were sent out to cinemas around

0:29:040:29:06

and it was just waiting for the confirmation that the war was over

0:29:060:29:09

and then they had to interrupt the movie

0:29:090:29:12

and play this to the people in the cinema.

0:29:120:29:14

-But not like this... it was on a disc?

-No, no, I have the disc here, yes.

0:29:140:29:19

So each cinema had got a copy of that announcement we've just heard,

0:29:190:29:23

-before the war was over, to be ready when it did.

-Yeah.

0:29:230:29:26

So everyone else is listening to the wireless,

0:29:260:29:29

and if you went to the pictures, this is how you heard it.

0:29:290:29:31

-Yep.

-The end of World War II, wow.

0:29:310:29:34

-I can see that box temptingly says "Russian plate".

-Yes.

0:29:390:29:42

-Is it?

-It is, yes, I believe so.

0:29:420:29:46

-There you go.

-Right, in a very smart bag.

0:29:460:29:50

Right, now this is what I was actually hoping it would be.

0:29:500:29:55

Now the key thing about this is

0:29:550:29:57

this plate is either worth £50 to £100 or several thousand pounds.

0:29:570:30:02

-OK.

-So, first of all, what I want to do is ask you why you've got it.

0:30:020:30:09

-My great grandfather was a ship's captain.

-Right.

0:30:090:30:12

And he used to sail to Leningrad and his...

0:30:120:30:15

because he was a captain, his wife used to get to go along on the ship with him.

0:30:150:30:19

When they were in Leningrad in 1934,

0:30:190:30:22

she got given this plate by a ship's chandler.

0:30:220:30:25

-Right, now that's exactly what I wanted to hear.

-OK.

0:30:250:30:29

What we've got is Russian revolutionary porcelain.

0:30:290:30:31

-OK.

-Made in the immediate aftermath of the revolution.

0:30:310:30:35

The imperial factories were taken over by revolutionaries

0:30:350:30:39

and instead of painting those lavish Tsarist patterns,

0:30:390:30:41

they used the same blanks to paint revolutionary scenes,

0:30:410:30:44

and what we've got here, I suspect... We've got skeletons, a crowned skeleton...

0:30:440:30:49

-Yes.

-This is probably about the decay of the Russian court, the corruption,

0:30:490:30:55

the element of destruction that the revolution had brought about.

0:30:550:30:59

And if you turn it over, on the back, that is the mark of the imperial porcelain factories.

0:30:590:31:06

-Yes.

-That is the dates relating to the painting,

0:31:060:31:09

you've got the hammer and sickle, 1922,

0:31:090:31:11

and when they took over the factories, there were piles of blanks ready for decoration.

0:31:110:31:16

-OK.

-So that's why it has a mark of an earlier period, the Tsarist period,

0:31:160:31:20

-plus the marks of the revolutionary period.

-OK.

0:31:200:31:23

These come out from the early 1920s and by the end of the '20s, early '30s, they're no longer fashionable

0:31:230:31:31

because Stalin is saying, no, we don't want revolutionary art any more.

0:31:310:31:34

-OK.

-So it's a very short period in ceramic history.

0:31:340:31:38

By the nature of the Russians and of this business, these have constantly been copied.

0:31:380:31:42

I've got two at home which are exactly the same... different designs...

0:31:420:31:46

same backing but I know they were made in the 1960s. Therefore they're worth what I paid which is £90 each.

0:31:460:31:53

-OK.

-The value of this, and the story, only works if we've got what you told me.

0:31:530:31:59

We know this goes back to 1934,

0:31:590:32:01

there were no fakes being made in the 1930s.

0:32:010:32:05

-OK.

-It's the real thing and so to go back to the beginning,

0:32:050:32:09

is it £100 or several thousand pounds, what do you think?

0:32:090:32:13

-Several thousand.

-It is several thousand pounds.

-OK.

0:32:130:32:16

For every real one of these there will be 100, 1,000 later copies. This is the real thing.

0:32:160:32:22

-OK.

-And this is therefore a wonderfully rare moment.

0:32:220:32:26

To see one with that story is just, to me, really great.

0:32:260:32:30

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you.

0:32:300:32:32

This butterfly looks as if

0:32:320:32:34

it could really fly out of its case, don't you think?

0:32:340:32:37

-Oh, it could, it's beautiful.

-It is beautiful.

0:32:370:32:39

-Lovely piece.

-Really fantastic, and do you ever wear it?

-No.

-Why not?

0:32:390:32:44

It's too pretty, I'd probably break it.

0:32:440:32:47

What do you know about it? Is this inherited or bought or...?

0:32:470:32:50

A family piece, and it was given to me by my granny

0:32:500:32:53

but I believe it was her granny before her, so my great-great-granny

0:32:530:32:57

-and it's been passed down.

-That's a lot of grannies.

-Yes.

0:32:570:33:00

Been passed down through the female generations and it's come to me.

0:33:000:33:05

Well, it's a gorgeous butterfly, it really is and it's really...

0:33:050:33:10

typical late Victorian diamond butterfly brooch, very naturalistic,

0:33:100:33:17

it's a very, very popular subject.

0:33:170:33:19

I think it was associated with happiness and lightness of being.

0:33:190:33:23

-Yeah.

-We call it these days.

0:33:230:33:24

And probably, although it doesn't really work very well any more,

0:33:240:33:29

this would have trembled when you wore it,

0:33:290:33:31

-because there should be a little spring inside here.

-Oh, right.

0:33:310:33:35

It would have vibrated gently with every breath,

0:33:350:33:38

which would've been good fun, and very often underneath here there's another little bit, and there is.

0:33:380:33:44

-The hair piece.

-So this screws off

0:33:440:33:47

and that screws on and you can wear it in your hair, trembling away,

0:33:470:33:52

catching the light, candlelight, gas light, looking really fantastic.

0:33:520:33:56

Yeah, it's beautiful.

0:33:560:33:58

Because they didn't have any other white metal but silver, the front is all silver

0:33:580:34:02

and the back is all gold like a sort of sandwich,

0:34:020:34:05

complicated to do, and then they drill out little holes and they shape them all out with tiny files

0:34:050:34:12

and set the stones. It's really gorgeous

0:34:120:34:15

and it's really nice it's in its original fitted case from Hancocks.

0:34:150:34:18

Yes.

0:34:180:34:20

Very well known 19th century firm who also make all Victoria Crosses.

0:34:200:34:24

Well, it's a really lovely piece of jewellery and erm...

0:34:240:34:29

They're very much in demand, very sought after...

0:34:290:34:32

especially the genuine ones, which this is, and erm...

0:34:320:34:36

if you had to go out and replace this,

0:34:360:34:38

I think today you'd be looking to pay £8,000 to £10,000.

0:34:380:34:42

Blimey.

0:34:420:34:43

Yes.

0:34:450:34:47

So have you had him on your bed, or have you played with him?

0:34:470:34:50

I played with him when I was a baby, he's just always been part of my life.

0:34:500:34:55

-Really? What's his name?

-Teddy.

0:34:550:34:57

Oh, right, very original! Well you've kept him very well, you've looked after him

0:34:570:35:02

because so often they get pulled around and the sawdust, well it becomes sawdust.

0:35:020:35:08

It starts off being long strips of wood inside.

0:35:080:35:10

-Yes.

-But the interesting thing about him is, you know he's by Steiff.

0:35:100:35:14

-Yes.

-Because he's got his button.

0:35:140:35:17

-His button.

-He's got two factors that make him more desirable than other Steiff bears.

0:35:170:35:24

His colour is very, very desirable because the ordinary brown colour, beige colour, is sort of normal

0:35:240:35:30

and then the other factor is that he's got a seam down the middle of his snout

0:35:300:35:35

which is also...

0:35:350:35:37

one in seven gets a seam like that. They have seven bolts of cloth

0:35:370:35:42

that they make up with this fur which they call excelsior...

0:35:420:35:47

and every time they come to the end of the seventh one,

0:35:470:35:50

they have to cut another one in and so you get...

0:35:500:35:54

that's the beginning of the next bolt

0:35:540:35:56

and that's the end of the seventh.

0:35:560:35:58

-Uh-huh.

-And so they're known as centre seam bears

0:35:580:36:01

and they're more rare than the others.

0:36:010:36:04

So do you have any idea what he's worth?

0:36:040:36:06

Absolutely none, I've looked up in books but I really don't know.

0:36:060:36:10

There's a lot written about these and of course they are still the king of the teddy bears,

0:36:100:36:16

Steiff in Giengen South Germany, they're still going strong, they're very clever at publicity

0:36:160:36:21

and he's worth around £2,000 to £3,000.

0:36:210:36:25

Really? Thank you.

0:36:250:36:28

-This is the most super, super little mug, it really is.

-Really?

0:36:280:36:33

-Where did it come from?

-It's my Dad's, it's been in his loft as far as I can remember.

0:36:330:36:40

I know it seems a shame but...

0:36:400:36:43

It does seem a shame. Do you know when it was made?

0:36:430:36:45

No, no idea.

0:36:450:36:47

-We're looking at a mug that was made in about 1700.

-Wow.

0:36:470:36:52

-Wow!

-Condition is wonderful, colour, everything about it is wonderful.

0:36:520:36:59

-The coat of arms at the front.

-Yes, what does that mean?

0:36:590:37:02

Well, it's fascinating because straightaway

0:37:020:37:05

we can tell from that that it was actually made for a woman.

0:37:050:37:08

Oh! How do you know that?

0:37:080:37:10

Because it's in a lozenge.

0:37:100:37:12

Right.

0:37:120:37:14

Now, when women bore arms they couldn't put them in a shield

0:37:140:37:18

-because a shield was considered unseemly.

-Right.

0:37:180:37:21

It was an implement of warfare, so female arms are always in lozenges.

0:37:210:37:25

-That's interesting.

-We've only got the one mark underneath.

0:37:250:37:29

I was a bit worried about that but...

0:37:290:37:31

Well, you don't need to be actually, maker's mark only at this sort of period is not unusual.

0:37:310:37:37

The maker's mark is actually that of Robert Cooper.

0:37:370:37:40

-Robert Cooper was a goldsmith who started in London in the reign of Charles II.

-Right.

0:37:400:37:46

And actually made things like a spitting pot...

0:37:460:37:49

-for Samuel Pepys.

-Oh, well that's interesting.

0:37:490:37:52

Right, so...

0:37:520:37:54

it has... And actually the quality with this goldsmith's so chunky

0:37:540:38:01

and oh, it's to die for, it really is.

0:38:010:38:05

I would say at auction today,

0:38:050:38:07

I would have to fight if I was bidding for it

0:38:070:38:12

at maybe up to about...£5,000.

0:38:120:38:17

You're kidding! Dad's going to be pleased.

0:38:170:38:20

-I kid you not. It is an absolute...

-For that little thing?

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For that little thing, and boy...I would love it.

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Hands off.

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Do you know, we see so many fake bronzes on the Roadshow

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that my initial reaction when I saw these was that they were fake,

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they are just so beautiful and so perfect, they seemed too good to be true.

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I think I need to know really, from your point of view,

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what the family history is behind them.

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-Well, they belonged to my husband's grandfather.

-Right.

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So they've been around for a bit.

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The original perpetrator of these bronzes

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was a famous Austrian factory called Bergman.

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Now, these are cold painted bronzes which means essentially

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that the bronzes are founded

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and then they're cold painted by hand afterwards.

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Now, ordinarily, bronzes of this type,

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and these purport to be circa 1900-ish, maybe 1910-ish,

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they're worn, they're marked, they're knocked around,

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they're just not this pristine.

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-Do they sit in a cabinet at home or anything?

-No.

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-They don't.

-I dust them occasionally.

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You dust them? What do you use, a feather duster or something?

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-Just a, just a duster.

-Right, OK.

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Obviously they're a great pair of hunters...

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We'll call them a pair because they're both similar subjects.

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This one here, which heartens me a bit, has got some damage.

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His rifle is bent.

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I kind of like the idea of his rifle being bent -

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ordinarily I wouldn't, but that kind of helps me

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and it reassures me that perhaps there is some age to it.

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What I can see here is a four-digit number, typical of German bronzes of this type.

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They have a four-digit number, almost like a catalogue number.

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Interestingly enough, Bergman often signed their bronzes "Namgreb",

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that's "Bergman" backwards, or they'll be marked with "geschutz"

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and a Bergman foundry mark.

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It could be hidden anywhere

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and... Aha! Look at this, hold on a sec.

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On the bottom of this bird's tail...

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is a mark, can you see that there?

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Look, it's hidden in the feathers.

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Hold on one second...

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and it says "geschutz"!

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That's very heartening.

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Let's look...ah, there's one on the other bird as well, look.

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It says...

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"geschutz" and...

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it's got the Bergman foundry mark on it.

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I can't tell you how happy that makes me.

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Well, Marc, I've had those for a long time and I've never noticed.

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Well, I don't think you would easily notice

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because those are so well concealed on the bird's feathers there

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that they're actually almost part of the plumage.

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Value is difficult because the thing is, when something this exceptional

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in terms of its condition, comes to the market place,

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it's almost impossible to put a very accurate price on.

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Would you be surprised to know

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that a sort of fairly worn example in a quite reasonable condition

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with perhaps a couple of small bends on the birds and things,

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would probably be worth in the region of about £2,000 per figure.

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£2,000 per figure, so to start off with you've got £4,000 worth of bronze sitting here.

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Now let's look at the wider picture, we've now...

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-With the bent gun?

-Sorry?

-With the bent gun?

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Forget the bent gun, I mean, to be honest with you,

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that's inconsequential, we'll leave the gun bent and not worry about it.

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I think they're in such exceptional condition,

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I don't think I have any hesitation in putting £7,000 to £10,000 on this pair of bronzes.

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-Is that a surprise to you?

-Yes, yes.

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-You haven't got any more at home, have you?

-Just the one.

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-What do you mean, just the one?

-The one...

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-a man in a te...

-A man in a tent?

-Yes.

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-Is it the light up one with the carpets?

-That's it.

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-£3,000 to £5,000.

-Ooh.

-£3,000 to £5,000.

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-Well, I'll treat him with more respect then.

-Do you not like him?

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-No.

-Why not?

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-Do you like these?

-No.

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No? Do you like them any more now?

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Oh, well, you know.

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I know value isn't everything but at the end of the day

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you have two of the most perfect Bergman bronzes I have ever seen.

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They're absolutely exceptional

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-and you've absolutely made my day, thank you.

-Thank you very much.

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I've just been browsing through this useful little booklet

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about the history of Aberdeen's Music Hall.

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They've had some big names here: Charles Dickens, Jenny Lind - the Swedish nightingale,

0:43:130:43:18

the great Paul Robeson, Alma Cogan, Des O'Connor and a group called The Chinese Ambidextrous Jugglers.

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Not all on the same night, of course!

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And the stars of today's show... the people of Aberdeen,

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and now from the Granite City, goodbye.

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