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We're back for a second visit to the seaside town

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of Wells-next-the-Sea on the north Norfolk coast.

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Sitting comfortable in this rural landscape is Holkham Hall,

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built in 1734 by Thomas Coke.

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Although this particular Thomas Coke predates the package holiday,

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the design of the hall was inspired by his travels in Italy as part of the Grand Tour.

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Thomas Coke's name lives on. There have been seven so far,

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and between them they can lay claim to a number of innovations.

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And this is one of them.

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This legendary titfer was created by the Bowler brothers in 1850

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on the instructions of the third Thomas who wanted to protect his gamekeepers

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from deer, overhanging branches and the occasional poacher.

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They still wear them today in Holkham.

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With such an elegant look you can understand why city gents latched onto the bowler,

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though it was more for style than for protection.

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Thomas number two was more of an agricultural visionary.

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He inherited the estate in the late- 18th century when farming techniques

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were still in the Middle Ages.

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Coke pioneered the concept of crop rotation and soon the entire nation

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was enjoying bumper yields.

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And that's just what our specialists are hoping for,

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as they plough though the offerings at today's Antiques Roadshow

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here in the gardens of Holkham Hall.

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Now, Lady Glenconner, you're no stranger to people on the lawn here at Holkham.

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Well, I'm not really because the last time I was more or less standing here

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surrounded with people, was at my wedding in 1956.

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-I was married here...

-Because this is your family home.

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It's my family home, exactly, my father was the 5th Earl of Leicester

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and my mother, who was also Lady in Waiting to the Queen,

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started the pottery here in 1950.

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She started at the top, didn't she, really?

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Well, she did really, I mean, they were made for the coronation

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and I went off to America to sell them, not very successful,

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until I was sent a telegram by my mother saying,

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"You've been asked to be a maid of honour and carry the Queen's train at the coronation."

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So I was absolutely thrilled and I came back with an order book bulging.

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The Americans must have been buzzing around you like bees round a honey pot.

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Absolutely, and I spent a great deal of time trying to teach them how curtsey

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because they thought for some unknown reason I knew how to curtsey.

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The proof of the pudding with these figures -

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and I've got to say that the likeness of the Queen has it for me,

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whereas the Duke, I'm a bit dubious about that likeness.

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Well, the Duke looks terrifying actually,

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something slightly wrong with his eyes, I think.

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The mark is quite straightforward, what does it say?

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-It says, "The Duke of Edinburgh by..."

-"By Elizabeth Leicester,"

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my mother, my mother signed them so they were her... She designed them.

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Well, this is number 79, so this was a...

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-Was this a limited edition?

-Very much so, yes.

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-I think there were 500.

-Oh, were there?

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-So maybe they're worth quite a lot, one never knows.

-Well,

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I'll tell you what they're worth.

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-I'd say they're worth a sovereign each, how about that?

-OK.

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-That's as good as it gets.

-Are you sure?

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The proof of the pudding's going to be in the eating with those.

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You've brought something a bit earlier. What's the significance here?

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Well, these two figures were a wedding present

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and we've never really known anything about them

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and I think that's very chic and beautiful.

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I think they're lovely, because I love the colours.

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-Yes.

-And at first glance they look as though they could be sort of Ralph Ward of Staffordshire and...

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They're certainly 1790 but, um...

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-Are they 1790?

-Around about.

-Yes, yes.

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They're either French or Belgian, but what I like about them

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are the colours and the fact that you've got...

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There's nothing on the base, there's just a label of a retailer

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who I recognise because they're no longer in London,

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-they're now in New York.

-Oh, right.

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-So there are ways and means of getting to the bottom of these.

-Yes.

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But I just love the, the colours and the fact that the glazes have got...

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They've had a little bit of tin glaze added to them.

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-Have they?

-To make them that little bit more opaque.

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So at first glance people might be forgiven for suggesting

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they might be Delft or something like that.

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-But they are a form of faience, um...

-Yes.

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I love the girl with the fishes.

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Well, I love her holding the fish in her hand.

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It's not the sort of thing that turns up in this country on a regular basis.

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-That's why I'm slightly foxed, quite frankly.

-No, I see.

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But, um, this sort of thing, if I was to walk into New York today

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and go into the people that sold these originally...

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-Yes, yes.

-Probably...

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these would probably have a price tag of somewhere in the region of around about 6,000.

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-6,000?

-6,000.

-Yes, yes.

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I suppose we're talking around about...£3,500, something in that region.

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But the great thing about the colours is that

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those colours go with anybody's curtains,

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even the curtains here at Holkham.

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This has been in my family for a long time,

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passed down through my husband's side and my husband died 11 years ago

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and he always said that if there was an Antiques Roadshow

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anywhere in the area, that he would bring this box to it,

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to find out what it is, so here I am, I've brought this in his memory,

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and I'd like you to tell me all about it, please.

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-Oh, that's so... Wonderful story.

-Because I know nothing and he knew nothing either.

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Really? Well, I have to say,

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I haven't seen one of these before, I've heard about them.

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-Oh, you've heard about them? So I don't even...

-Now, this is commemorating

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Frederick William III, King of Prussia.

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-And on the other side, slightly more elaborate...

-Yes, yes.

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..King George III, born June 4th, 1738.

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Now it doesn't go back that far, it's much more likely to be commemorative

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which were, many of them done in the mid-19th century.

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-Mm, yes.

-So maybe we're talking about,

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could be up to sort of 1830-1840, it's not silver-gilt, I'm afraid,

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I've checked it out, I hoped it would be.

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-Is it brass?

-It's brass.

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It's brass, yes, it's brass, yes.

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And inside we have a seal and the wax, we've got all that,

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which is fine, for carrying around when you want to seal your envelopes

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that you've sent to your lover or your mistress or something,

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and on the other...

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This is what excites me.

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And me, because I know what's in there.

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-Now that to me is quite extraordinary.

-Yes, yes.

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We have a gaming tool, if you like.

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It's... Probably, it was illegal.

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-Oh, really?

-So you know, ostensibly on one side we have...

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-This is our seal.

-The seal, yes.

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-My seal and let's go next door and look what it does.

-Oh, I see, yes.

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What do you bet?

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-A six and a four.

-Wrong!

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I think it's fantastic.

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It's going to stick, there we are, one, two, three...

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Well, that's neither one thing or the other.

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Oh, there we are, ooh, a pair of two's. That is so unusual.

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I have to tell you, I've done a bit of research on this

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because it is something that I checked with the silver and the jewellery

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because they've seen them,

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but they haven't ever seen anything like this,

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-because normally they have scenes of battles inside.

-Yes, yes.

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Events in the reign of George III and William, William III,

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but never a gaming tool, and so this is particularly unusual

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and I'm going to put more on it because of this.

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It would be worth at auction, in the right sale, as much as £300 to £400...

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-Gosh!

-..even though it's brass.

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Brass, yes.

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-Expensive brass.

-Yes, well...

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I'm thrilled, I wouldn't mind going back in there and having a little...

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Yeah, oh, a little go and see what dice you...

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-..little betting.

-Yes.

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It's a bit...

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-Oh, a six and a four!

-There you are. A six and a four.

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The first thing I want to know is,

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do you think they had a stormy relationship or a nice, sunny, romantic relationship?

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I don't honestly know,

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I think they probably had a fairly romantic relationship.

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Perfect. Well, that's the first question,

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when I look at a portrait I want to know something about the sitters.

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-Yes.

-Now tell me, can I see any likeness here?

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Well, you might do,

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it is my great-great-grandfather and great-great-grandmother, yes.

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Perfect, perfect and they're obviously a well-to-do

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-Victorian couple.

-Yes, yes.

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Because if you look at some of the clothes they're wearing,

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and I'd like to perhaps start here.

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-I mean, this jewellery would have cost a lot of money.

-Yes.

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And it's all dated from the period, so 1850-1860,

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and thank goodness for the back of pictures because on the back

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-it tells me the artist and indeed, the date.

-Yes.

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-It's by Solomon Cole, they're both by Solomon Cole.

-Yes.

-From 1861.

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I know that he lived in Worcester and London,

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and actually these pictures were painted in London, weren't they?

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Yes, which is surprising because they both come from Worcestershire.

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-They don't?

-Yes.

-That's extraordinary, isn't it?

-Yes.

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-So they picked a local artist.

-Yes.

-How fascinating, how fascinating.

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-Now she's in black which is a bit, um, worrying.

-Yes.

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And he's obviously well alive but in 1861 Prince Albert had just died,

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so maybe it was in respect to Prince Albert.

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-Don't you think?

-It could well be.

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Yes, and as I said, they look rather, um, comfortably off.

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-Yes.

-And this is obviously a sort of record of their life.

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-Yes.

-And a great lover of greyhounds.

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-Yes, yes.

-Do you know anything about this greyhound?

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Well, family history tells us that he had a dog that won the Waterloo Cup.

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-Ah!

-Now whether this is the one, I have no idea.

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-It seems likely, doesn't it?

-Yes, it does.

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I think it does, and I love... I mean, only the British, to me,

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would have a portrait of themselves with their favourite, um, hound.

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And it's absolutely wonderful. Absolutely wonderful.

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Now, it's always impossible to value portraits to a certain extent

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because other people's relations, you know, our own are quite tough

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-but other people's can be...

-Yes, yes.

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But they're a good looking couple, they've got...

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-They're very... You want to engage with them all the time, don't you?

-Yes.

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Um, and I would say for the pair, we're probably looking at,

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in the region of £3,000 to £5,000 for the pair.

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-Mm, mm, thank you very much indeed, that's lovely.

-A pleasure.

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My great-grandfather, whose medals these are,

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was in the Charge of the Light Brigade and thankfully survived the engagement

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but on his return up the valley

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-he was shot in the shoulder with a piece of canister shot.

-Really?

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And that piece of shot rested in his shoulder for some three years thereafter

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until the local surgeon, James Paget, had the skill to remove it.

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The family story goes that Queen Victoria actually gave permission

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for him to wear it as a medal,

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but whether that's family myth or not, I don't know.

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I don't know, I can believe that such a thing happened,

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because after all's said and done,

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we know that the Charge of the Light Brigade was a disaster,

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but it was a very heroic disaster.

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Now, here we have the three medals,

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we have his Crimean War medal, three bars, the Alma,

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Balaclava, which is the Charge of course, and Sebastopol.

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-Now, he's also got a DCM which is a Distinguished Conduct Medal.

-Yes.

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Now, that really makes this group very important

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and of course he has the Turkish award, now there's the three medals,

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and of course the wonderful thing is, you can bring it alive because

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you've actually got photographs.

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There he is, as a young man,

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and here is as an elderly man.

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Now, have these photographs been in your family possession?

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In the family since they were taken, yes.

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This particular one though, um, I was aware of it,

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having seen it as a young boy, but it went missing from the family after my aunt died,

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I think the house clearance people came in and things went missing

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and I came across it in a bric-a-brac shop a few years ago.

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-Gosh.

-So I recognised it instantly and bought it quickly.

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-Weren't you lucky?

-Very.

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Oh, that's marvellous, marvellous. And the belt, of course.

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That allegedly is the belt he wore during the Charge

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and it's certainly seen some action.

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Well, it is a belt of the time,

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-it's a pity you haven't got more of it.

-Mm.

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Or perhaps his tunic or his jacket.

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Now, with the Charge of the Light Brigade medals,

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they're absolutely magic.

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They were awarded without inscription, that's the sad part.

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Collectively in value you have here

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something like £5,000 to £6,000,

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but what a wonderful thing,

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and I'm so thrilled that you brought it in today.

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-Thank you very much.

-Thank you very much.

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Do you know, all through the 18th century there were cabinets

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and tables to take toiletries,

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and this is a retro piece because it has certain features

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which from a distance you could say, "Well, maybe 1770, Hepplewhite, serpentine front,"

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this wonderful serpentine apron and that leg, with the cross banding

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was copied from, er, work by Ince and Mayhew,

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you may have heard of those, very famous makers during the 1780s.

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-Oh, really?

-Absolutely, and it has such quality

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that it couldn't be 18th century because this is walnut

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and of course by 1770 this was no longer the fashionable timber.

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-No.

-It was satinwood or rosewood.

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And there are other little features which just lead you to think,

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"Hello, there's more going on here than meets the eye."

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Little knobs, these little handles, delightful though they are,

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are certainly Queen Anne period,

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so there's a combination of the past which has inspired this.

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-Yes.

-But when you lift this lid,

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I mean, there is the 1930s,

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and what an eyeful of wonderful, wonderful pieces.

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These are just fantastic.

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This opens up... Now, look...

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-see that little ivory button?

-Yes.

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To stop that rubbing on the carcase.

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-Oh, I see.

-What quality, I mean, they thought...

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we'd say they thought of everything.

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And in the back is a mirror.

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Now, I know about the cabinet and I love it

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and I could go on and on telling you about it,

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but I don't know enough about these to really give you a good opinion,

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and I've asked Eric.

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I've been waiting in the wings...

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It's quite a revelation, isn't it, when you open it up.

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Um, and full of Georgian silver.

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-I wish.

-Oh, no, no, let me quantify that

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because obviously we're looking at something from the reign of George V

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so, you know, that's why I say "Georgian."

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But, I mean, it shouts sort of Art Deco, I mean, look at these brushes,

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fantastic quality,

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you've got this sort of simulated lapis lazuli in here, haven't you?

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And almost like a simulated jade.

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What are we doing for marks, John? Oh, we've got, um...

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It's an imported mark of some sort, it's continental.

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-Oh, right.

-Not English origin.

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Oh, yes, um,

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it's been imported for G...

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Goldsmiths' and Silversmiths' Company...

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so it goes without saying it's a top maker, you've only got to look at a cabinet like that,

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I mean, you look in here and you think you've just pinched it from a bedroom upstairs.

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Well, it's been hidden away for a long time.

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-Um, but it's all there, isn't it?

-Yes.

-You've got... Oh, how decadent!

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-I know.

-Look at that, for buffing one's nails!

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-You probably use one of these every day, John.

-Every day.

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Of course you do.

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Well, I've got an idea what the dressing-table set is worth.

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I should quantify them and say that they're not normally easy things to sell

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-because nobody wants to use anybody else's brush.

-I understand that.

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-And if you want to re-brush something like this, they cost you a fortune.

-A fair amount.

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But this was expensive when it was made originally.

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So all I can say is that the dressing-table set alone

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is probably worth in the region of around about £3,000,

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I would suspect. So, John...

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Well, as a whole, what would I like to pay for that?

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Or what would I have to pay for that if I went into a shop, opened it up? I would...

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It's £7,500, I would say.

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-Doesn't surprise me, wouldn't surprise me. But quality has never come cheap.

-No.

-No.

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-That is quality with a capital Q.

-Very kind, gentlemen, thank you very much.

-Not at all.

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I was immediately struck by the ease of composition of this figure,

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she's very beautiful but in a very simple way,

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there's no great detail to her,

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yet she works very well, I think, she's very nicely formed

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and I think she's very beautiful. Do you know anything about her?

0:17:490:17:52

Yes, this is my grandmother

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and I think my grandfather had her sculpted

0:17:540:17:59

rather than a portrait painted.

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-He was the British Military Attache in Stockholm.

-Ah.

0:18:020:18:06

And I think it's a sort of slightly Baltic name there.

0:18:060:18:09

That's wonderful, that makes her very special in my eyes -

0:18:090:18:12

not only do we have a beautiful bronze,

0:18:120:18:15

we have a bronze that has really superb personal connections

0:18:150:18:18

and that's something you don't find very often.

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Now, if we look at her, you mentioned down there this name,

0:18:200:18:24

and if we can see here...

0:18:240:18:25

Ida C Thoresen, 1921.

0:18:250:18:28

Now, she was born in Gothenburg in 1863 in Sweden

0:18:280:18:31

so that ties in beautifully with what you've said.

0:18:310:18:35

Now, she was very interesting, she studied in Paris and was very well thought of,

0:18:350:18:40

and believe it or not, she was very famous for doing portrait bronzes

0:18:400:18:45

of Scottish celebrities and Swedish celebrities.

0:18:450:18:49

Now, I don't know how that quite came about.

0:18:490:18:51

Well, my grandmother was a Scots woman.

0:18:510:18:54

-Oh, was she really?

-Yes, and my grandfather was Robertson so...

0:18:540:18:57

That's wonderful, so there's a connection there as well.

0:18:570:18:59

The whole thing just ties in beautifully, that really is wonderful.

0:18:590:19:03

I like the bronze very much, I think if we just have another look here,

0:19:030:19:07

we've got the founder's mark, Otto Meyers, on the back here,

0:19:070:19:11

nice to see all of that information.

0:19:110:19:13

I think, to be honest with you, she's rather undervalued

0:19:130:19:17

and perhaps not as well known as she should be

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because she really is a superb sculpture

0:19:190:19:22

and I think this works wonderfully, this figure.

0:19:220:19:26

We've got a little bit of a problem with the violin bow,

0:19:260:19:29

it's quite fragile and could do with being straightened a little bit.

0:19:290:19:33

-Um, I presume your grandmother was a good violinist.

-Yes.

0:19:330:19:37

Did she perform in society?

0:19:370:19:38

Yes, I think so, but I don't think she performed publicly.

0:19:380:19:42

Right. Apart from the fact that she's a beautiful bronze,

0:19:420:19:45

the family connection is wonderful and it's rare to have that

0:19:450:19:48

and that adds a lot to it for me,

0:19:480:19:50

-and in terms of value I think we have to be talking about £1,500 at auction...

-Yes, yes.

0:19:500:19:56

-..for such a beautiful stylish bronze, I think.

-Oh, thank you.

0:19:560:19:59

-It's a pleasure, lovely. Thank you for bringing her.

-Thank you.

0:19:590:20:02

When I first saw this clock in the distance, I thought to myself,

0:20:020:20:06

"This is a typical Scottish mahogany longcase clock."

0:20:060:20:10

But it suddenly dawned on me

0:20:100:20:13

that the dial is not showing normal time at all,

0:20:130:20:16

in fact it's not showing any normal time.

0:20:160:20:19

We've got "railway time", "Calcutta time", "St Petersburg time", "New York time",

0:20:190:20:25

and it's by a maker I've never heard of, Mr Betteridge,

0:20:250:20:28

and I have looked up Mr Betteridge and we know nothing about him.

0:20:280:20:31

-We couldn't find anything out about him.

-And you tried?

-I tried.

0:20:310:20:34

Well, do you know why it says "railway time"?

0:20:340:20:37

-No.

-In around the 1830s, 1840s, when railways were starting to be built,

0:20:370:20:43

they had a problem because the time that was taken

0:20:430:20:47

in different locations was different,

0:20:470:20:50

so for example the time in London at 12 o'clock was different from the time in Oxford.

0:20:500:20:55

It would be two minutes after 12 o'clock in Oxford from the time taken in London,

0:20:550:21:00

that is because we were taking time from the sun

0:21:000:21:03

and sun time differs wherever you are in the United Kingdom,

0:21:030:21:08

or in America, or in St Petersburg or in Calcutta.

0:21:080:21:10

And of course if you wanted to put together a train timetable,

0:21:100:21:15

it was rather confusing, so the railway companies decided

0:21:150:21:19

that they would make time universal.

0:21:190:21:22

Later on, in the 1880s, by 1880, Greenwich Mean Time had come in

0:21:220:21:27

and railway time no longer existed, but for a long period of time,

0:21:270:21:31

not many people know, the railway time was important.

0:21:310:21:34

Why this clock has time for Calcutta and St Petersburg and New York,

0:21:340:21:39

I simply can't tell you,

0:21:390:21:41

but when you open it up and you actually move the hand...

0:21:410:21:44

-They all go together.

-..all the hands go together, isn't that fantastic?

0:21:440:21:48

Actually, I do know the St Petersburg time is three hours faster than London time

0:21:480:21:54

and we know the time in New York is five hours slower than London time.

0:21:540:21:58

-I can't tell you what time it is in Calcutta.

-So you'd set all three in line with...

0:21:580:22:01

You would set them properly and you'd know.

0:22:010:22:03

It could, I suppose, have been in the first class lounge at Victoria Station,

0:22:030:22:08

for people who thought it was smart to know what the time was in Calcutta

0:22:080:22:12

or St Petersburg, or New York, I have no idea,

0:22:120:22:15

but it's fascinating.

0:22:150:22:16

So as far as value is concerned...

0:22:160:22:19

-Mm-hm.

-..if this clock were sold at auction but with a standard dial,

0:22:190:22:23

it would be worth between £2,000 and £3,000,

0:22:230:22:26

but because it has these interesting subsidiary dials telling us the time

0:22:260:22:31

in places where we really had no need to know where the time is,

0:22:310:22:34

and certainly they had no need to know where the time was in 1840...

0:22:340:22:37

because it's such an interesting feature,

0:22:370:22:40

I would have thought that it's worth between £4,000 and £6,000.

0:22:400:22:44

-Good.

-I hope that makes you happy.

0:22:440:22:46

-Yes, it does, thank you very much.

-Thank you.

0:22:460:22:50

This is one of the most spectacular pieces of art glass

0:22:520:22:55

I've seen for a long time, it's absolutely magnificent.

0:22:550:22:58

Have you any idea where this was made?

0:22:580:23:02

Someone said it's French.

0:23:020:23:04

You're absolutely right, it's French Art Nouveau, 1880s-1890s,

0:23:040:23:10

and it's by one of the masters of French art glass at this period,

0:23:100:23:16

it's by Emile Galle. I don't know if you've heard of him,

0:23:160:23:19

he is one of the masters of art glass.

0:23:190:23:21

The main decoration on this,

0:23:210:23:23

obviously influenced from Japanese woodcuts and things like that,

0:23:230:23:27

sort of very Japanese influence on this piece of glass,

0:23:270:23:30

all the decoration that you can see is in relief,

0:23:300:23:34

and that relief decoration is created

0:23:340:23:38

with an acid that eats the glass, basically,

0:23:380:23:40

acid etching the glass away, so not only have you got that decoration

0:23:400:23:45

with some sort of sense of depth to it, it's then highlighted even more

0:23:450:23:51

with these absolutely wonderful enamels,

0:23:510:23:53

and they've got all these sort of autumnal colours,

0:23:530:23:56

it's fantastic colours, these.

0:23:560:23:58

And something that you might never have noticed on this,

0:23:580:24:02

is it's actually signed here,

0:24:020:24:05

it's signed Galle,

0:24:050:24:08

but it's done in such a way that it's very Oriental-looking,

0:24:080:24:11

so it's sort of a script, it almost looks part of the decoration

0:24:110:24:14

rather than a signature

0:24:140:24:15

so this is something that you could easily miss, you know.

0:24:150:24:18

Now, with something this wonderful,

0:24:180:24:21

it must have pride of place at home, doesn't it?

0:24:210:24:23

-It's actually been in the shed for the last few years.

-In the shed!

0:24:230:24:27

Have you ever given it any thought about what it might be worth?

0:24:270:24:30

-No, I really haven't.

-Any guess, no guess at all?

0:24:300:24:33

-No, I've no idea.

-Well, I'd be confident at auction to expect it to make

0:24:330:24:38

certainly within the region of say £2,500 to £3,500,

0:24:380:24:44

and, um, if it exceeded that, I wouldn't be surprised.

0:24:440:24:47

It is magnificent.

0:24:470:24:49

I really appreciate that you brought this in and made my day.

0:24:490:24:52

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:24:520:24:54

I think you've made mine!

0:24:540:24:56

Well, this lovely lady is one of the biggest bisque dolls

0:24:570:25:00

-you can come across.

-Yes.

-You know that?

-Yes.

0:25:000:25:04

So tell me how, how did you get her?

0:25:040:25:06

-Well...

-She must have been bigger than you at one point.

0:25:060:25:09

That's right, I had her when I was three year old.

0:25:090:25:11

-Did you play with her?

-Yeah, course I combed off her hair, didn't I?

0:25:110:25:14

-You combed her hair.

-That's right, yes. Like all children do.

0:25:140:25:18

Absolutely, absolutely.

0:25:180:25:20

-Well, she's still got her original hair underneath.

-That's right, yes.

0:25:200:25:24

But before we go to that, she's got a very beautiful face.

0:25:240:25:27

That's right, her face is porcelain.

0:25:270:25:29

-Do you think that's beautiful?

-Yeah.

-I think that's really beautiful.

0:25:290:25:33

-She's got paperweight glass eyes...

-Mm.

-..probably made in France.

0:25:330:25:38

-That's right, yeah.

-And her face would have been made in Germany,

0:25:380:25:42

and sold in Paris by a very well known make called Simon and Halbig.

0:25:420:25:48

Her eyelashes are absolutely extraordinary.

0:25:480:25:50

Yes, I haven't done anything to it.

0:25:500:25:52

You've been so good the way you've kept her, because so often that goes.

0:25:520:25:56

-They're made of cotton.

-Is that right?

0:25:560:25:59

Then they're also painted onto the bisque as well and then fired again.

0:25:590:26:02

-And she's got porcelain teeth.

-Oh, yes.

0:26:020:26:04

And a dimple in her chin, she's really beautiful,

0:26:040:26:07

and she would have had, got pierced ears, she would have had earrings.

0:26:070:26:11

-That's right.

-She's not really a dolly, she's a grown-up lady.

0:26:110:26:15

And when she's as big as this,

0:26:150:26:19

she goes into a different category of doll collecting.

0:26:190:26:22

I'll take her wig off, if I may.

0:26:220:26:24

-Is that all right?

-Yeah.

0:26:240:26:26

Well, that's not too bad.

0:26:260:26:28

No, well, she... THEY LAUGH

0:26:280:26:33

-She's not TOO bald, is she?

-No, no.

0:26:330:26:36

-She's still beautiful, isn't she?

-Yes.

0:26:360:26:38

But this is real mohair from the mountain goat.

0:26:380:26:41

-Yeah.

-You didn't like it, did you?

0:26:410:26:43

No, I didn't.

0:26:430:26:45

That spoiled the look of her.

0:26:450:26:47

Now this is a typical very, very good marking.

0:26:470:26:52

-Now, see this, 1079, that's the mould number.

-That's right, yeah.

0:26:520:26:56

S&H, Simon and Halbig,

0:26:560:26:58

DEP is Deponiert, it's a registration, basically, in Germany.

0:26:580:27:03

-Now 18 would be the size and size 18 is over 40 inches.

-Oh, yes, yes.

0:27:030:27:09

Now that is one hell of a size, that's a little girl doll.

0:27:090:27:14

-Yes, yes.

-Have you any idea what she's worth?

0:27:140:27:16

No, but I have got a person interested in it.

0:27:160:27:20

-What were you offered then?

-600.

0:27:200:27:23

And what did you say to that?

0:27:230:27:25

I said I didn't want to part with it at the time, you know.

0:27:250:27:28

-And would you now?

-I don't think so.

0:27:280:27:31

Well, I was going to say she's going to be worth

0:27:330:27:36

-in excess, at auction, of £2,000.

-Mm, mm.

0:27:360:27:41

-Well, she's one hell of a big babe. Thank you very much for bringing her.

-Thank you.

0:27:410:27:46

Now what's all this stuff?

0:27:470:27:49

Well, they're not actually antiques

0:27:490:27:51

-but it chronicles the life of this lady.

-Now who is this lady?

0:27:510:27:56

-She's May Savage, she's my aunt-in-law.

-Aunt-in-law,

0:27:560:28:02

-so you are married to her nephew, is that right?

-That's right, yes.

0:28:020:28:05

And what was her profession?

0:28:050:28:07

Well, she started life as...

0:28:070:28:10

At the age of 14 she would design headscarves

0:28:100:28:13

-and then she went on to Sanderson and she did wallpaper designs.

-Is this what this is?

-Yes.

0:28:130:28:20

-Oh, look.

-That's it.

-Isn't that wonderfully colourful?

0:28:200:28:23

Well, this was in the '20s and she did a lot of designs for...

0:28:230:28:26

They were very keen on Chinese and that sort of thing.

0:28:260:28:29

It was a very fashionable style, so I thought this looked '20s,

0:28:290:28:33

-and in fact so she was... When was she born, then?

-In 1911.

0:28:330:28:37

So she was working almost from her teens as a designer.

0:28:370:28:39

Yes, yes, she was, but then when the war came, she...

0:28:390:28:44

she thought she ought to be doing something a little bit more important

0:28:440:28:47

so she re-trained as one of the first draughtswomen

0:28:470:28:51

-and she worked for De Havilland engineering on Mosquitoes.

-So she...

0:28:510:28:56

-she helped design the Mosquito?

-She didn't design it,

0:28:560:28:58

-but she was a draughtswoman.

-Is this what we have here?

0:28:580:29:01

Hang on, is this...? Look, here's an engineer... So this is... Whoops.

0:29:010:29:05

-It's an engineering design.

-This is an engineering drawing by her...

0:29:050:29:09

..for some aircraft component, the De Havilland 60,

0:29:090:29:12

whatever that may be, the name of a machine, 1942.

0:29:120:29:16

-That's it.

-So this was some aircraft component.

0:29:160:29:18

So how did she get on in an all-male environment?

0:29:180:29:21

-Well, she was a feisty lady.

-I bet.

0:29:210:29:23

She had dark red hair and she was really pretty and why she never married I'll never know,

0:29:230:29:28

but she was in a room, she was the only woman

0:29:280:29:33

and she held her own, she really did.

0:29:330:29:35

They didn't give her a light over her, her drawing and she ended up

0:29:350:29:40

going to Moorfields and got a letter from Moorfields Eye Hospital

0:29:400:29:45

which said that she ought to have a light because she was doing night work.

0:29:450:29:48

-So she was resented as a woman in a man's world.

-She was.

0:29:480:29:52

-Even though she was doing vital war work.

-Uh-huh.

0:29:520:29:54

What is this life supply of milk?

0:29:540:29:56

Well, we nearly threw these away,

0:29:560:29:58

I mean, I haven't told you half of it yet. She...

0:29:580:30:01

she wrote diaries and she stored them in Marvel milk.

0:30:010:30:08

-So all her diaries are in these packets?

-Absolutely.

0:30:080:30:11

-So let's just take... I'll take one completely at random.

-Of course.

0:30:110:30:15

So right, so we've got a date,

0:30:150:30:18

-we've got money, that's her accounts is it?

-Yes.

0:30:180:30:22

And it's immensely detailed.

0:30:220:30:24

-Yes.

-Let me just look and read a bit.

0:30:240:30:27

-Is this typical?

-Yes.

-"Pets' suppers 6pm, packed up, locked gate 7.45pm,

0:30:270:30:34

"rather dark, black clouds around too."

0:30:340:30:38

The weather forecast is always there and the ships in the harbour and...

0:30:380:30:41

-So it was amazing observation of detail.

-Yes.

0:30:410:30:44

-Even though nothing important happened.

-Everything is there.

0:30:440:30:47

So this is the story of her life.

0:30:470:30:49

-It is, her whole life is here.

-Why did she do it? Who was she telling?

0:30:490:30:53

I don't know. I firmly believe that somebody ought to tell her story now,

0:30:530:30:59

because she was telling her diary.

0:30:590:31:01

We used to visit her and she was, she was a closed lady

0:31:010:31:05

but when we read her diaries we find it's all in there.

0:31:050:31:08

-Every secret of her life.

-That's it.

0:31:080:31:10

-And what, all her accounts, everything she spent?

-Yes.

0:31:100:31:13

-So this is... If you wanted to find a 20th-century life, it's here.

-This is it.

0:31:130:31:20

I've got a natural affinity with the contents of these bottles,

0:31:200:31:23

so the reason for coming along today was to enquire

0:31:230:31:26

what you can tell me about them, the contents of them,

0:31:260:31:29

the reason for the seals on the front of both of them,

0:31:290:31:33

and a little bit of the history, why we had the seals, etc.

0:31:330:31:36

Right, well, let's see what we can do. This is a black glass bottle,

0:31:360:31:40

it's a wonderful colour...

0:31:400:31:42

It's really very dark green but it's called black glass.

0:31:420:31:46

The seal is a known seal, John Okes, Bury St Edmunds, 1777.

0:31:460:31:52

-So it's reasonably local.

-Yeah.

0:31:520:31:54

An 18th-century bottle, would have contained wine

0:31:540:31:57

and this one is earlier, this is called an onion bottle.

0:31:570:32:00

-Right.

-It's a greener metal,

0:32:000:32:03

just got a seal on the front with no date.

0:32:030:32:05

Why would they have a seal on the front of the bottle?

0:32:050:32:07

You filled it up with wine, and you drank the wine,

0:32:070:32:11

and then you refilled it again.

0:32:110:32:13

If it went anywhere else to be refilled they knew whose bottle it was

0:32:130:32:16

and it came back to you.

0:32:160:32:18

Oh, OK, so it's like a deposit, but knowledge of where it came from.

0:32:180:32:22

-Absolutely.

-OK, thank you.

0:32:220:32:24

Where do you have them in the house?

0:32:240:32:25

-We have them on the windowsill.

-And do you have any animals or children?

0:32:250:32:30

We've got two dogs, a springer spaniel and a Jack Russell, so...

0:32:300:32:33

-Are they lively?

-Very lively, I'm afraid.

0:32:330:32:35

We were told they were going to calm down but they're still as nutty as fruit cakes.

0:32:350:32:40

This bottle, the James Okes, Bury St Edmunds, £1,000.

0:32:400:32:47

Right.

0:32:470:32:49

And this one, the earlier onion bottle of about 1720 in date,

0:32:490:32:53

£2,000 or more, if we can identify the seal.

0:32:530:32:57

-Are you going to leave them on the windowsill?

-No,

0:32:580:33:01

I don't know where I'm going to put them, but away from the dogs.

0:33:010:33:04

-I should have a drink when you get home.

-I'll have one before I get home!

0:33:040:33:07

-You look as though you need one.

-Thank you very much indeed.

0:33:070:33:10

-Now what's this?

-Well, it's a little part of her life really.

0:33:100:33:13

What, you...? There were boxes like this, were there?

0:33:130:33:16

Well, I haven't told you about the house. Er, she...

0:33:160:33:19

-Well, just let's deal with the box first.

-OK.

0:33:190:33:22

-Because she is this hoarder, she is this collector.

-Yes.

0:33:220:33:25

I've opened this, and at random I'm going to pull out what I see.

0:33:250:33:28

Packets of used envelopes.

0:33:280:33:30

Every envelope she ever had.

0:33:300:33:33

Packets of... piles of dog food labels.

0:33:330:33:36

Yes, but, but they're all clipped together and if you look on the back

0:33:360:33:40

they're all re-used, she was an archetypal recycler before her time,

0:33:400:33:45

but she never actually recycled.

0:33:450:33:46

This is just a treasure trove, and you dig down further... Good God,

0:33:460:33:50

-look, hundreds of bus tickets.

-I must show you. The pink ones...

0:33:500:33:55

they're all beautiful colours, the pink ones...

0:33:550:33:58

-Oh, that's a dog ticket.

-For her dog, yes.

0:33:580:34:02

-"Dog accompanying passenger, Harlow station".

-Isn't it lovely?

0:34:020:34:05

-Every... I can't believe this...

-Every bus ticket.

0:34:050:34:08

One can go on rummaging in here for hours, you keep finding new treasures.

0:34:080:34:11

Um, a Morse key.

0:34:110:34:13

Yes, she was a radio ham, we thought she was a spy at one stage

0:34:130:34:17

because she kept all her letters all in duplicate.

0:34:170:34:20

This is a sort of lunacy. Why on Earth did she do it?

0:34:200:34:23

Well, I've thought about it a great deal.

0:34:230:34:26

I think for a number of reasons.

0:34:260:34:28

One, she didn't want to throw anything away,

0:34:280:34:31

she didn't want to waste anything because she came from a poor background,

0:34:310:34:36

but it's more than that. She lost her dad when she was quite young

0:34:360:34:41

and she lost her mum before she was really grown up

0:34:410:34:44

and so her possessions became a comfort to her really,

0:34:440:34:47

because if you saw her house, there were boxes all around, her life was all around her.

0:34:470:34:53

What's this house here?

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This is the first house, and the only house she bought.

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-And where is that?

-It's in Ware.

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-Yes.

-Well, it was in Ware,

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and half of it was a bakery but they wanted to knock it down

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to build a roundabout.

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-That looks to me a medieval building, is that right?

-It is, yes.

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-So this is a timber-framed house in Ware in Hertfordshire.

-Yes.

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And they want to knock it down for a roundabout. So what happens next?

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Well, Aunty May being Aunty May,

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she got the scouts to help her and she numbered all the beams

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and she said, "Well, it's oak pegged, it's only a kit of parts,

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"I can move it somewhere else and I'd love to live by the seaside".

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She was about to retire so she...

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So she came to Wells, bought... Is that here at Wells?

0:35:320:35:35

-Yes.

-So this is what she got, that's her house?

-That's it, yes.

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-And there she is.

-A kit of parts.

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-A kit of parts.

-40 foot of scaffolding.

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But how did she know how it went together?

0:35:430:35:45

Well, because she was a draughtswoman so she did copious plans.

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-Did she have professional help?

-Not with the plans, no.

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-Or the building?

-No, people helped her every now and then,

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but most of it she did herself.

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There she is... God, what an amazing woman.

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Well, she's my heroine, really, for a woman to do this on her own...

0:36:000:36:04

-I think it's incredible.

-..is incredible.

0:36:040:36:07

She sounds remarkable, but chronicling a life like this,

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and it was an extraordinary life,

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someone who was a designer, draughtsman,

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-pioneer in so many fields.

-Yes, she was.

0:36:140:36:16

So stubborn, so strong - I mean, how many people, you know, can do that?

0:36:160:36:20

-Yes, as a retirement.

-As a retirement. I'll just take my house to pieces and put it together again.

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But your job I see, I can see why you took it on,

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is to say, "Here is THE greatest, most remarkable 20th-century life," it's all here for the future.

0:36:270:36:33

-Uh-huh.

-Amazing.

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This is the largest flintlock duck's foot pistol I've ever seen

0:36:370:36:44

and I've seen, I've seen many over the last 50 years.

0:36:440:36:48

Where on Earth did you get it?

0:36:480:36:50

Well, I bought it at a local auction.

0:36:500:36:52

-Really?

-Yes. About, well, a few years ago now.

0:36:520:36:55

Right, well, first and foremost, it's not an English one.

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Now, it's been proved in Belgium

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so I take it that it's Belgian manufacture,

0:37:030:37:06

but they are usually much smaller than this.

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You might say, "Why make such a pistol?"

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but anybody that's subject to some sort of violence

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or even a boarding party, such a pistol could be very useful.

0:37:170:37:22

I see that it's got a belt clip on the side which would suggest

0:37:220:37:26

it might be sailor, a sailor item,

0:37:260:37:28

and to add to a little bit of romanticism,

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this engraving on the bottom

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with a pirate rolling a barrel of gunpowder, or whatever,

0:37:360:37:41

I think is added at a later date.

0:37:410:37:44

Now, the only thing I can find wrong with it, looking at it,

0:37:440:37:48

is the safety catch on here's been broken in half,

0:37:480:37:51

because when you put it back onto first cock...

0:37:510:37:54

..you push that,

0:37:560:37:58

which holds that on first cock.

0:37:580:38:00

That's the safety but that's been broken,

0:38:000:38:02

there's about an inch, or three-quarters of an inch gone off of there.

0:38:020:38:05

That is the only thing I can fault it with.

0:38:050:38:08

That is full cock so it's all ready to fire.

0:38:080:38:11

There's four little holes in the flash pan and when that is primed

0:38:110:38:16

and that closed, that is all ready to fire those four barrels.

0:38:160:38:21

This is an extremely rare piece. Out of curiosity, what did you pay?

0:38:210:38:27

£1,100.

0:38:270:38:28

Right, OK.

0:38:280:38:31

If it was of English manufacture and of the usual size,

0:38:310:38:35

a value of something like £5,000,

0:38:350:38:40

but although this is Belgian and in collectors' eyes not as good

0:38:400:38:46

as an English manufacturer, a London or Birmingham manufacture,

0:38:460:38:49

it is unusually large -

0:38:490:38:52

I keep endorsing this.

0:38:520:38:54

You could expect something in the region of about £8,000.

0:38:540:38:59

It's a ginormous thing and I think any gun collector would be proud

0:38:590:39:04

to have that in his gun collection, lovely.

0:39:040:39:07

-Thank you very much.

-Well, thank you very much for bringing it in.

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And with that, another Roadshow heads into the sunset,

0:39:110:39:15

from Holkham Hall, Wells-next- the-Sea in Norfolk, goodbye.

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