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As you know, on the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
we're not only on the lookout for lovely and interesting objects, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
but also for lovely and interesting places in which to find them. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
So my hopes ran high when I was told that we were coming to a place | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
that was once described as the Paris of the North. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
It has to be said that, on the face of it, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
the jolly seaside town of Southport in Lancashire doesn't immediately | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
bring the French capital to mind, but the evidence for this extravagant claim | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
lies away from the sea front in a tree-lined boulevard called Lord Street. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
In the 19th century, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Southport was a fashionable resort, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
so much so that in 1838 the exiled Prince Louis Napoleon of France - | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
Napoleon's young nephew - came to spend a season here. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
Louis and his chums did all the seaside things - | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
hunting and shooting - but legend has it | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
that he was so impressed by the elegance of Lord Street | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
that, when he finally got home and became emperor, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
he had Paris rebuilt in its image, albeit on a slightly grander scale. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
At least, that's how the story goes. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
For another 100 years, Southport attracted a discerning clientele, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
who came here to enjoy evenings at the theatre, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
fun-filled days in the open-air pool, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
and romantic nights at the grand dance hall. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Except that it didn't HAVE a grand dance hall. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
It wasn't until 1932 | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
that the Paris of the North had its own palais de danse. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
It was an immediate success with everyone | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
and the weekly tea dances were chock-a-block and cheek-to-cheek | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
throughout the year. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
The exterior of the Floral Hall | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
doesn't give much of a hint of the beauty that lies within, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
but that makes it even more of a pleasant surprise. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
In its time, the Floral Hall has hosted just about every kind of crowd-pulling event. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
Today it's the Roadshow. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
We're delighted to be here | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
and to see that Southport has turned out to join us. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I'll go and hand over to the experts and organise the tea dance. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Now, when I arrived at Southport station last night, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
I did not see this clock. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
-No! -Is that because YOU have it, rather than the station? -Yes. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
-So why have you got it? -My dad was station supervisor at Southport | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
in the '60s and early '70s, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
and when they pulled the old station down, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
several of the items were sold off, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
-and he bought that clock at that time. -So he knew it, he'd worked with it. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
-Yes. -Right, what we've got here | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
is a wonderfully documented station clock. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
It tells us the whole history of Southport station. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Go back to the 1870s. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
There we have a company called the WLR - | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
the West Lancashire Railway - which developed a line | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
eastwards from Southport. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
They were the first owners of the clock. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
Looking at the face, we've then got WLR again. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
They were then taken over by LYR, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
which is the Lancashire Yorkshire Railway, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
and they in turn became, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
in 1923, part of LMS. And, although it's not marked, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
in due course, that became British Rail. So it's gone through | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
all those owners. And I love the fact that, in the 1960s, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
there it still was, ticking away. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
And you have it at home? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
-I do, yes. -And it's working? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
It was, but it doesn't work at the moment. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
It would certainly be worth restoring. This is very collectable. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
Railway clocks are anyway. It's not a special clock. It's fairly standard. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Railway clocks are very desirable, particularly if they come from small, minor companies. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:24 | |
The West Lancashire didn't have a long life, it was soon absorbed, and anything to do with that | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
has great local interest. If this was not a railway clock, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
you're looking at £300, £400, £500. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Because it's a railway clock with that history, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
-we're looking at £1,500. -Really? As much as that? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
As much as that. So mend it. Get it ticking. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Right. I will do. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
What's wrong with that? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
I don't think there's anything wrong with it. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
-There is. -I love it. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
You may love it, but it doesn't exist. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
-How do you mean? -You've got a tiger attacking a lion. -Right. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
-Never happens. -Ah, well. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
-Different continents. -Well, I never realised that. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
The only time those two came together to fight | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
-was in the Roman amphitheatre. -Good heavens. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
But the extraordinary thing is | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
that these Japanese groups - we see them endlessly | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
with tigers attacking lions, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
BUT...for the western market. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
-Ah. -And the western market said, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
"We want a fight between a lion and a tiger," | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
and the Japanese said, "Fine, no problem." | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
This one - we've got a couple of tigers attacking a rhino. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
This I don't think I've ever seen. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
-It's a really brilliant bit of sculpture. Do you like it too? -I love it to bits. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
-I've known it all my life. -Where did it come from? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
Um, my grandfather, I believe, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
acquired it 75-80 years ago | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
from a captain of a Sikh regiment. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
My grandfather was working at a hotel in London | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
and I believe they were gifted to him after he looked after him for a while. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
I wonder why he had got Japanese things. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I don't know. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
It's a bit of the story I don't have, unfortunately. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
It sounds slightly wobbly, the story. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
-You know what family stories are like. -Exactly. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Um, this one is made | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
in two sections, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
so you can detach one tiger. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
And we've got a nice mark | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
on this one. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
It's heavy! | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
-It is. -Incredibly heavy. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
I'll have to lay it down, I think. It says, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
"Dai Nippon" which means "great Japan"... | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
-HE READS OUT THE JAPANESE MARK -Dates from around... | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
1880, 1900. And while we've got it upside down, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
just look at the detail on those paws. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Fantastic. Um, well... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
I love them, you love them. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
The market for Japanese things at the moment | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
-is not good. -Mm-hmm. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
But these transcend that, really, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
because they are decorative, good-quality objects. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
This one, I think would make in the region of £2,000-£3,000. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
Wow! | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
And that one, I think would probably make £4,000-£5,000. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
That's fantastic. I'd no idea. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
So are these beguiling pair of Regency beauties | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
anything to do with your family? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Well, the two girls the daughters of William Hazelwood, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
who was Lord Nelson's solicitor. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
The girl on the left | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
is Horatia. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
-Named after Horatio? -That's right. Named after Lord Nelson. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
He WAS going to be her godfather but, unfortunately, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
-he never made it home. -Fate intervened. -That's right. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
Horatia then married my great-great-great-great-grandfather | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
and married into our family. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I inherited that picture about 15 years ago. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-So this really is an ancestral portrait. -Definitely, yes. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
I don't think I can see a family resemblance. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
No, hopefully not! | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
I must say, I was absolutely delighted to see this | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
because it's not often on the show | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
that we get really high-quality miniatures. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
I can't tell you who it's by, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
despite the fact that, on the back, it says confidently | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
that it's by an artist called Stephanoff, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
-who actually didn't do miniature, boringly. -Right. -So it's not by him. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
But, with a bit of work, we might find out. But, in a sense, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
it doesn't matter, because it's a charming story - | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
the would-be goddaughter of the great Horatio Nelson, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
-called Horatia... -That's right. -..and her sister. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
What I also really love about the picture is the detail, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
the charm as expressed in the ringlets and the curls | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
and the dresses. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
Have you thought about | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
-what it might be worth? -I was quoted | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
about £200 | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
about five or six years ago, but nothing since then. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
Even without an artist, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
a pair like this, of beauties, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
because beauties actually do do rather well, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
with so fabulously delineated dresses, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
although they are slightly faded, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
are just the sort of thing that collectors want, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
so I would confidently say that this was worth £2,000-£3,000. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
-Very good. That's excellent. -But it will remain your ancestral portrait? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
-I don't think I'll sell it. -Good. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
It's often very difficult | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
to date African objects but conveniently, here, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
-we've got a date of 1919. -Oh, yes. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
So what was going on with your family in Africa in 1919? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
Well, it was my husband's father | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
and his wife were part of a Baptist missionary society delegation | 0:09:35 | 0:09:41 | |
who went out to Africa to visit the missionaries | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
-in Belgian Congo. -So it was in the Belgian Congo? -Yes. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
-Which of these...? -That was my husband... -Right. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
..and that was his sister, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
and that was his mother, Florence. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
They both went to Africa in 1919. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
So this is the couple that collected these pieces? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
-Yes. -I see. And your husband then went back again...? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
Yes, then he trained as a minister and as a teacher, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
-and he went as a missionary in 1928. -Right. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
In the Congo. Now, this is a place, really, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
absolutely in the middle of Africa. It's about as central as you can get. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
It took him a month and you had to go by paddle steamer, I think. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
Most people, when they come back from a trip, bring back a small souvenir | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
or a sombrero or whatever it might be, but these aren't exactly light. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
I expect, in those days, it was the idea to bring back, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
and you probably put them all in a crate. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
-Coming by sea, it's not like air travel. -No, quite. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
I wonder whether he'd be allowed to take this on board now! | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
-And did he ever show you how to play this? -Er, I don't know. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
I just always used to, you know... TWANGING | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
It's sort of done like that. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
It's not going to win many musical awards, this particular one, is it? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
But I'm sure that, if you were skilful, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
-you'd be able to play it beautifully. -Yes. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
I'll put that down for a moment. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
This piece is most extraordinary. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
-It's a drum... -Yes. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
-Do you know what these are made of? -I think they're made of | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
the resin from the tree which I believe originally would have been white. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
-I see. Right. -But over the years... I mean, it's what... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
-87 years. -Nearly 100 years ago. Exactly. -It's the year I was born. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
-And, um, it's hollowed out. -Yes. And the two sides | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
are different so that you get two different tones. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
And they call one the high | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
and the other the low, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
or else the male and the female, the male being the dominant. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
-Well, quite. -Yes. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
They had, I believe, a huge village drum | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
and they had a chap who sat there and drummed messages. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
-Said that the Reverend So-and-so was on his way. -That the missionaries were coming up | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
or visitors were coming. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
And then this was a horn, of course, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
-which takes a lot of blowing, I can tell you. -It does. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
It's a fantastic thing. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
-This is a single tusk. -Yes. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
And we know, obviously from the date your father-in-law brought it back, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
-that this must pre-date 1919, anyway. -Yes, it must. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
And I think the colour on it | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
is actually not just, um... | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
-from handling. I think they do stain them. -Oh, do they? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
So there is a range of tones. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
I'm going to just see, because this... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
-Do you think I should try and blow this? -Yes! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
-How do you do it, then? -You just blow in there, I think. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
BELLOW | 0:12:51 | 0:12:52 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
Rather you than me! | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
It's quite a noise that, isn't it? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
So there we are. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
It's very difficult to know how to value some of these things | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
because they're of great sentimental value to you, and lovely family connections. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
These sorts of things do turn up at auction. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
They're... You know, they're not that rare, actually, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
but, none the less, I think, you know, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
-an example like this one will be worth perhaps £100-£150. -Yes. Yes. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
I think the drum is terrific, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
particularly as it's intact with these pieces as well, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
-so perhaps that's going to be £500 or £600. -Is it? Yes. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
But I do think the horn is a wonderful tactile object as well, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
and, you know, perhaps it's worth at least £1,000. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
-It may be more, even. -Yes. -As I say, it's not something we see an awful lot of, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
but it's a treat to see it. I must say, I've never blown a horn like that before. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
-These are, without doubt, the most comfortable barber's chairs I've ever sat in. -Yes. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
I love them, but why did you get them? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
My husband and I had a hairdressing barbers' salon in Formby | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
and we found them in an old salon-supplies company. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
They were in an old warehouse | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
-and they're from Horne Brothers, where the Beatles first got their mop tops done. -The famous barbers? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:14 | |
-Yes. -You can trace, by direct purchase and sale, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
-back to that salon. -We can. -So we know these are actually the chairs the Beatles sat on. -Definitely. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:25 | |
What other proof have you got? | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
We've got photographs of the Beatles sitting in the actual chairs in Horne Brothers in 1963. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
So we've got here... | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
There's Paul sitting down, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
having his hair cut by John, and George and Ringo looking alongside. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
-Yes. -So we've got the purchase and sale orders, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
-and we've got the photograph. -We have. We have. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
Well, that's pretty good provenance. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
Now let's look at the chairs themselves. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
These were probably made, what, in America? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
Yes, Chicago, I believe. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
In the early '60s, and would've been brought over here. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
Presumably they do, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
-although they might not work today, you could go up and down. -Backwards and forwards. -Adjust the footrest. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
-Yes. -And presumably here they had the little basins... | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
-Yes, for all the shaving stuff. -Or having your fingers manicured. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
I mean, they're great chairs. Um... | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
I think, you know, they are quite trendy today, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
and people do like to put them into loft apartments. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
As chairs, they're worth maybe £1,000. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
But I think, with the Beatle connection, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
you're talking about £10,000 each, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
and, if you found a lock of hair down the back, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
-you could add an extra £1,000 each. -£10,000 each? Not for the pair? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
Great pieces. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
-Great provenance. Thanks so much for bringing them in. -Thank you. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
I sometimes get very jealous of my colleagues on jewellery and ceramics | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
because they can get intimate with some of their objects. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
But when I see something as grand as this, I don't mind. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
This is something that's come out of a great big house, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
you're there, you look very natural with this piece. Have you lived with it for a long time? | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
We've had it, uh, 30-odd years. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
It was, um, given to me | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
by a splendid old aunt and uncle | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
who lived in Merevale in Warwickshire, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
to where, as children, we were evacuated during the war. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
So I've known it since I was... could walk underneath. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
-Right! -And it's got lovely memories. It was in the dining room. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
And there weren't many sweets in the war but when there WERE some, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
-they were kept on the shelf in this cupboard. -Oh, wonderful! | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
And I can open it cos it's just got a catch there. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
-So, how did it come to you? -Well, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
My aunt and uncle moved from Merevale House | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
to a smaller one | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
and rang up to see if we'd like it. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
I was at work. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
You tell them...! | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
The aunt asked if we'd like it. I thought, "It's far too big." | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
So I said, "No, thank you, we don't want it." | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
When John came home from work I told him what had happened and it nearly caused a divorce! | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
So he rang up straight away and said he would like it. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
-Thank goodness for that! -Absolutely. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-So do you have a large dining room? -Yes. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Excellent. Because what people don't often realise | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
is there wasn't really such a thing as a dining room, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
even in a grand English house, until the second half of the 18th century. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
And it was really Robert Adam designing for great houses | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
like Kedleston and Osterley. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
But, fascinatingly enough, he designed sideboard tables | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
with separate pedestals. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
But what happens a little bit later on, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
particularly in the early 19th century, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
which is when this piece dates from, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
is that the pedestals and the table come together, they join together. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
So you get this extraordinarily grand, rather opulent... | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
rather masculine piece of furniture. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
And the design of this sort is very much associated | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
with one of the taste-makers of the early 19th century, Thomas Hope. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
The brass railings acted as a background | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
to the display of the family plate, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
large chargers, that would have really displayed who you were, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
how grand you were. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
This is mahogany banded in this ebonised wood. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
It's very strong, very bold. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
And, of course, the pedestals | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
were to have plate drawers | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
and cellarettes, quite often. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
And so sometimes they're lined or foiled with lead. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
And... Oh, right, this is... | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
-They both are. -Oh! | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
This is not just lined with lead - this pretty well IS lead! | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
It's really, really heavy. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
And what's fantastic, and you so rarely see, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
is that inside you've got the little plug. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
I can't get it out. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
No, that one's soldered in. I think at some time it must have leaked. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
So, originally it would have been drained... It would have held water | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
for rinsing glasses, for cooling wine. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
And you would then take out the drawer and drain it from there. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
That is absolutely wonderful. That is superb. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
It really is heavy, isn't it? | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Well, I think this is a stupendous piece of furniture. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
Absolutely...original. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
It's got little tiny bits of really not very significant damage on it. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:31 | |
I think if you were having to replace this, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
you'd be looking in a grand dealer's, at least £10,000. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
There's one little piece of information. I don't know whether you know. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
-I don't even know if I should go into this... -The more I find out about it, the better. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
-Well, you know that the British had this curious idea that women leave the dining room... -Yes. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
..after the meal and go off and have tea or whatever? | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
The gentlemen stayed with their port, telling stories. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Well, in order to... not have to leave the room | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
to relieve themselves, to go off to the closet somewhere, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
they would often... | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
have a pot in the pedestal. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
-Yes. -And would - discreetly, I hope - get up from the table | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
-and piddle in the pot! -They could almost get underneath there! | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
So, not particularly savoury in the dining room | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
-but that is certainly what happened. -We keep wine glasses in it! | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
Oh, this is really nice, this is lovely. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
-A letter from John Betjeman. -Yes. -Dated... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
1963. So I guess he was already a fairly elderly gentleman. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
So how in 1963 did John Betjeman come to be writing to you? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
-I'm intrigued. -I was still at school and I was trying quite hard to write myself, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:55 | |
and taking myself very seriously. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
And instead of writing | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-to footballers or pop stars, I was writing to writers. -Fantastic. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
So you sent a letter speculatively to John Betjeman? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
Yes, I sent him some of my stuff and, lucky for me, he replied. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
So he read your poems. Was he kind about them? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
He was, yeah. Yeah. He was very kind! | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
"Dear Mr Whall," which is you, "my secretary kept back your poems for me to read | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
"and I'm very glad she did. You write about what you really see and feel, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
"and you are not literary and derivative. Both qualities are rare. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
-"I wish you every success." That's really very nice, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
-He was very kind. -He is being very kind. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
-Fantastic. You must have felt really very encouraged. -I was, yeah. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
-As a young poet. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
What I like about this particularly is that he goes on. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
He doesn't just say what he thinks about YOUR poems, he seems to be telling us - | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
telling YOU - what HE likes in HIS poems. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Look at this. "Personally, I like | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
"rhyme, rhythm and 'trad' poetry, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
"but I don't think it's the only kind." | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
-I think that's beautiful because that really sums up what Betjeman is for so many people. -Yes, yeah. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
I can only imagine how you must have felt | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
when the post came in the morning | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and these envelopes were plopping through the door | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
-and you knew - or hoped - something was going to come. -I hoped. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
So, say, this brown envelope comes through the post, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
postmarked 31st January, 1967... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Who's it going to be from? This is very nice, again. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
This is Henry Williamson, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
who I suppose we think of most as a nature writer. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
-He wrote Tarka The Otter. -And Salar The Salmon. -These are the things we know him best for. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
And he says, "Thank you for sending me your poem. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
"I could see at once that it is good." | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
He doesn't just say "good", he underlines "good". | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
-How did you feel when you read that? -That was enough! | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
It's very hard to say whether these kind of things have a commercial value. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
-Of course. -Obviously, in terms of your development as a writer, they're absolutely immeasurable | 0:23:02 | 0:23:09 | |
-in value. -I think so, yeah. -Did you carry on writing? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Yes, I have done. I'm still trying! | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
Right, so you've got Betjeman, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
you've got Blunden, you've got Williamson... | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
-This is RS Thomas. -Mm. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
It's a nice little group. I suppose one could put a value | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
of perhaps a couple of hundred pounds on them. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
But, as I say, the value is so much more to you, as a writer. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
I think it's the kind of thing I would like to pass on, I would like to leave to grandchildren and so on. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:40 | |
-I think that would be lovely, to keep them together. -Yes. -Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Your mother was clearly a multi-tasking lady. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Very much so, yes. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
So which came first - the mechanics or the fashion? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Oh, the fashion. She went from school. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
I don't know whether she did a fashion qualification somewhere, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
but she then went to work for Gorringes in London | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
as a fashion designer. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
And hence these wonderful designs. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Did she ever talk to you about it? | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
A little, but when you're a teenager, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
unfortunately, you're not all that interested. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
-She died when I was 25. -Oh, no! | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
That's such a shame. The first one we've got here, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
this is very appropriate for being here on the promenade because | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
that's a wonderful beach design. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
I think it's come full swing | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
because some of the beachwear that we have today | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
-looks very like that. -I remember her wearing something similar she made | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
-when I was a child. -Amazing! | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
I don't quite understand this... | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
little signature here. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
Well, she was called Doris Mould | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
but she signed all her artwork backwards - "Dluom Sirod". | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
-Dluom Sirod! -Apparently, it was one of the things of the day. ..Sirod. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
-So, Mould came first and then... -Doris Mould. -Fascinating. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
I didn't know that. I learn something every Roadshow. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
I'm going to just pick that one | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
because of the, if you like, the tartan effect. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
I've got a dress with that tartan | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
-so it's still very much in vogue. -Yes. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
I see here.. We don't advertise on TV but... | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
um, look at this! | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
-The original Liberty print. -Yes. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
For the most wonderful dress. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
That could be Princess Diana's dress, couldn't it? | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Then we come on to another one, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
and this is a silk, which is absolutely stunning. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
She's very good, the way she shows off these tiny waists and... | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
The faces aren't great but who cares when you've got a great body! | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
This is one of my favourites. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
This is crepe georgette, which is absolutely stunning. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
And it shows, in fact, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
a man with what looks like either a lion or a poodle, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
I'm not quite sure! | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
I've never looked at that properly. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
People who make new fabrics | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
would give their eye teeth for these early pieces. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
-Samples. -They can make different colours out of them and patterns | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
-for today's fashion. So where do the mechanics come in? -Ah... | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
1941, I think it was, she joined the FANYs, the Female Army Nursing Yeomanry. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:36 | |
And I think she was fairly quickly seconded into the ATS. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
Um, and the Army decided to - as Mother put it - | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
find out whether women were capable of doing mechanics! | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
And she and three or four or five others were sent. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
And she told of lying under an Army lorry with three pairs of boots sticking out. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
And it was the first time she'd heard some very awful swearing. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
And she's rolled out from under the lorry, "Excuse me, sir, but what does that mean?" | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
-At which point five men went purple. -Oh, how wonderful! | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
-She had a great sense of humour. -She had to, I should think. -Yes. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
That was my mother, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
I think when she joined the FANYs, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:18 | |
when she left Gorringes. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
And that's at our wedding in 1969, a little bit later, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
-but it shows you how elegant she was. -Yes, absolutely. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
So what are you going to do with them? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
Well, the family will keep some, we will frame some and keep them. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
But I've nearly 50, so I don't know whether some of them should be in a museum | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
or whether to sell some of them or what. I mean... | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
If you put them into auction, I don't think they'd make a huge amount of money. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
The name is not well-known enough. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
-No. -If you were lucky, you'd get, say, £50 - £100 each. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
But having said that, she's such an interesting woman | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
and you've got all these family. And in a way... | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
-We might keep them, I think. -Because it's very unusual to have a mechanic who's a woman | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
-AND an artistic fashion designer. -Yes. -They don't normally go together. -No! | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
You have a collection of post cards. You've brought this one in, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
-it's interesting? -Yes, it's a very special one, to do with the Titanic. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
Anything to do with the Titanic is absolutely magical. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
Yes. Well, we had a student living with us and his aunt had passed away, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
who lived in Birkdale, which is about five minutes from here. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
He asked could he store some of her furniture in a room we had. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
There was a collection of postcards so they said, "Have whatever you wish." | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
-We chose the postcards and this one was in the collection. -Wonderful. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
Let me tell you about Titanic postcards, in general. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
-If you have one that's photographic, they command quite a lot of money. -Oh, right. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
But if you have one that's printed, as this one is, they're not so important. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
-Right. -But... | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
this is the magic, and I'd better read it. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
It says, "My dear Clara, we have heard good news. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
"Aunty has not gone down with the Titanic. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
"She has been listed in the paper 'saved'. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
"We'll see you tomorrow. With best love. Alice." | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
Wonderful. Imagine the joy that this postcard must have generated! | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
-Oh, yes. -And the postmark is the 19th April, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
so this is five days... | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
-After, yes. -..after the Titanic sank. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Wonderful little postcard. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
-It's very special. -So we come to values. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
-Yes. -Any idea? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
-No, not really. -Well... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
one was sold, which was photographic, to an American on the telephone, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:20 | |
and it fetched £700. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
Now, yours isn't photographic as such, but it's the message on the back here | 0:30:24 | 0:30:31 | |
that makes it so important, and of course, your postcard is certainly worth more than £1,000. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:37 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Thank you very much! | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
Would you describe yourself as a romantic? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
-Yes, I would. -Why? | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
Well, I think it runs in the family. My mother was very much the romantic. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
The reason I ask is because I wonder how you would have felt | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
if somebody had given you... | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
that diamond heart. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Cos I think, as a gift, I think this is absolutely beautiful. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
-Yes, I quite agree. -It does, I have to say, bring out the romantic. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
You can't get a more romantic shape than a heart. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
Tell me a little bit about it. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
Well, it belonged to my late mother. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
She died around four years ago. She bought it privately. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
-I don't know how much for. -Do you know when she bought it? -Probably about 18-20 years ago. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:33 | |
All right, we can see it's absolutely packed | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
with diamonds at the front. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
The way that the diamonds are set is described as "pavee set". | 0:31:41 | 0:31:46 | |
And what the jeweller has done when he made this, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
in the centre, he's placed a drop-shaped white diamond, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:56 | |
of great beauty and great purity. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
That drop-shaped diamond in the centre is then contrasted with the surrounding diamonds, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
which are known as "rose-cuts". | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
To reinforce the importance of the heart, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
you've got diamonds in the pendant loop. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
As beautiful as the front of this piece is, there's another feature about this piece, which, I must say, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:21 | |
I find really... I can connect with. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
Because when you turn it over, you have a locket compartment. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
-Did your mother use that compartment? -No, she didn't. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
Well, this is not glass. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
This is rock crystal. That shows the pedigree of the piece. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
Within, you've got the whole cage-work setting | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
of the diamonds at the back, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
showing you just what a complex design the setter has used. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
Like a lot of late 19th century pieces, it's mounted in gold and silver. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:56 | |
It wasn't until the 20th century that you started to see the development and use | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
of new methods, like platinum. So the date of this is round about the very end of the 19th century. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:08 | |
The other thing about it is, doesn't it look very nice in the box? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
It's true to say that a fitted case for something | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
shows it off to its most beautiful effect. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
Has a jeweller looked at it? Has it been valued ever? | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
When my mother died, the estate had it valued | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
and they valued it at between £1,200-£1,500. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
-How long ago would that have been? -About four years ago. -So, £1,200-£1,500... | 0:33:31 | 0:33:37 | |
I think is too low, for all the reasons that I've given to you. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
You've got this wonderful white diamond in the middle, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
this packed out rose-cut diamond frame, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
the condition of it, which is absolutely as if it had come off the jeweller's bench yesterday, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
in the original fitted box, and...everyone loves hearts. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
If you did something commercial around February 14th, imagine how many people would like this! | 0:33:57 | 0:34:04 | |
So I think I'm going to beat that price. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
-I think this is worth at least £4,000-£5,000. -Gosh. Good heavens! | 0:34:07 | 0:34:13 | |
So we have a photograph of a very impressive looking lady. Who is she? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
Leonora Cohen. She was the mother-in-law of my godmother. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
-Did you ever know her? -No. I might have met her when I was very small. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:28 | |
But she, obviously, was a considerable age. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
We've got here... This is hers. Why did she get the OBE? | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
-She was a suffragette. -Right. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
And is she in this photograph? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
-She is this lady here. -So here we have a Radio Times cover from 1974. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
-How old was she then? -She was 100. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
-So these, presumably, were three surviving suffragettes. -Yes. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
What do you know about her career? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
I don't know that much, to be honest. I have some newspaper clippings, but I don't know that much about her. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:03 | |
-Do you know what suffragettes are? -No, not really. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
-I think they tried to get the vote. -Exactly. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
Leonora Cohen, as far as I know, was a very, very important suffragette. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:19 | |
-She was. -She was right at the heart of the movement. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
-Mrs Pankhurst... Do you know her? -I think she was the most famous one. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:27 | |
Mrs Pankhurst was, in a sense, the key suffragette. She got it all going. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
She gathered together this group of militant women who were prepared to fight to put it on the line. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
Leonora Cohen was, in a sense... Bodyguard is the wrong word... | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
but she was a personal assistant who travelled round with her. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
But the key thing, of course, is what is in here. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
To me, this is total and complete magic. Do you know what it is? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
-I think it's a medal of some sort. -That's right. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
Do you know why these medals were given? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
-No. -One of the things the suffragettes did, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
was when they were breaking windows or whatever, they were often arrested, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
and when they went to prison, they refused to eat, and they refused to drink. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
They carried on their protest in prison. Can you imagine, you've been arrested and taken to prison, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:19 | |
-and then, you don't eat or drink. They were either force-fed... -I think she was force-fed. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:27 | |
From what I know of her career, she did two crucial things. One - she went into the Tower of London, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
and with an iron bar hidden in her coat, she broke one of the cases and hit the crown jewels. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:38 | |
-Why did she do that? -It was all about bringing attention. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
You had to do violent things. Otherwise, the papers wouldn't report it. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
And here she is, I think, going back to the Tower of London. She's visiting the scene of her crime. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:54 | |
She was locked up in the Tower. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
But later, when the Prime Minister Asquith came to talk in Leeds, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:01 | |
she threw a brick through a window, again, to attract attention, to say, "Look, we're fighting!" | 0:37:01 | 0:37:07 | |
and for that, she was locked up in Armley Gaol in Leeds. And that's when she did her hunger strike. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
So then, only those women who had taken part in the hunger strikes were given the medal | 0:37:12 | 0:37:18 | |
by the suffragettes. I'm gonna read this... | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
"Leonora Cohen, by the Women's and Political Union in recognition of a gallant action, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
"whereby through endurance to the last extremity of hunger and hardship | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
"a great principle of political justice was vindicated." Wonderful stuff, I think! | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
But this is what you've got. So these are the remains of that great career. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
-But she lived to be over 100. -Absolutely fantastic. -What a heroine! | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
I'm just so excited about this, but I think these were great days of our history. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:52 | |
-I wish people fought like this now. -So do I. We're very proud to have her as part of our family. -Yeah. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
You must really think this was a great woman. You're so lucky. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
-Now, in Roadshow terms, of course, values. Do you know what all this is worth? -I don't have a clue. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:09 | |
The OBE is not really significant - it's a few hundred pounds - because there are lots of them. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
Come to this. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
Here we have... | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
the tops. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
It's the medal for hunger strike. They're very rare. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
It's in the box. It's personalised to her. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
And, therefore, that is going to be... | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
as good as it gets. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
She was also a key figure - a lieutenant of Mrs Pankhurst. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
-You've got there, I would say, about £7,000. -Oh, my God! | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
Gosh! | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
-It's a lot of money, but this is family history. You must never, ever sell it! -No, I would never sell it. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:54 | |
-Would I be able to put it somewhere where people could see it? -You can lend it to a museum, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
to Armley, to Leeds Museum. There must be other suffragette stuff there. It should be seen. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
It cannot get better than that. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
We've had some amazingly long queues here today, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
which is quite appropriate for a place which has boasted the longest pier in the country. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
It also boasts the smallest pub, but that's another story. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
From Southport, for now, goodbye. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 |