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To those who welcome the takeover of Britain's high streets by identical chains of coffee shops | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
and quick food joints, this week's Roadshow destination will come as something of a disappointment. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
This is the Medway town of Rochester, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
the favourite haunt of a literary giant. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
After all that I have to tell you that Charles Dickens never actually lived in Rochester, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
although as a boy he spent five years in the area and came back for the last thirteen years of his life. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
When young, the author of "Great Expectations" and father of ten, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
used to take long walks with his own father in the vicinity, doing mental notes for his future blockbusters. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:27 | |
Any building here that features in a Dickens novel, proudly carries its own plaque. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
Right in the centre of town is a mansion we know better as the home of the eccentric Miss Haversham. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
And the Guildhall was the place the writer had in mind when young Pip | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
sealed his apprenticeship with Jo Gargery. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
You can almost hear the stage coach pulling up outside the Bull Hotel | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
and spilling out Pickwick and his cronies... | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
they liked The Bull... good place, nice beds... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
according to Mr Jingle. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
After Canterbury, Rochester has the oldest cathedral in the land. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
It so appealed to Dickens that it became a central character in | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
his final unfinished novel "The Mystery of Edwin Drew". | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
It told of intrigue involving cathedral staff in the fictional town of Cloisterham. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:25 | |
Mystery, intrigue, larger than life characters, Dickens would have loved The Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:32 | |
Our story opens in the cathedral nave. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
On the face of it, it's an ordinary dish, an oblong piece | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
of Staffordshire pottery, very plain. Do you use it? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
-Not at the moment, I have used it, in my childhood it's been used. -Yes. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
Christmas, when there were seven of us. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Yes. And did you do the washing up? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:54 | |
Oh, no, mother would never let me touch it. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
-Really? -I washed one piece recently and thought "Oooh". | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
-You're frightened of it because... -I'm still frightened of it. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
-It is actually quite special. -Yes. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
Um, of all the 1920s and '30s designers you would ask somebody | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
in the street to mention in pottery, this is the designer who everybody has on their lips, Clarice Cliff, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:18 | |
and the fact is that she is designing for a pretty ordinary industry but she brings to it | 0:03:18 | 0:03:25 | |
a pretty extraordinary imagination, and I think an incredible bravery, because there you have that standard | 0:03:25 | 0:03:31 | |
-oval and then just in the corner, just placed in the corner, you've got this dinky little landscape. -Yes. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:38 | |
If we were to focus really close on that landscape, you're looking at something that is almost surreal. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:45 | |
-So you've got the surreal striking off against the ordinary and I think that's what makes her special. -Yes. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:51 | |
Now you've got a whole service. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
A dinner service, three, four cereal bowls and four breakfast cups and saucers. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
Hang on, we, we actually, well you've got it listed here. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
That's very helpful. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
-Yes. -So just quickly totting it up | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
it looks as though you've got getting on for what, 40 pieces? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
-Yes, almost, yes. -And I can't see a single chip or fracture or breakage anywhere, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
maybe those went in the bin? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
No, no, no, there are two tiny chips in two of the dinner plates at home. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
If we, if we look at the pottery in close up, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
let's have a look here and on the back we've got everything we need to know, it says "Made in England" | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
we have the facsimile signature of Clarice Cliff and there, the name, the famous name "Bizarre". | 0:04:28 | 0:04:34 | |
-Yes. -Which is not this specific pattern name, but the range... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
-Yes, yes. -...which this particular pattern belongs to, and there you have the actual pattern number, 6153 | 0:04:37 | 0:04:45 | |
and incidentally if you ever forget what the date of it is, over there, pressed into the clay. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
-Right, yes. -33". 1933. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
I don't need to write anything down for you, it's all written on the back. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
And I've never noticed that before. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
Now you have absolutely no idea what this service is worth? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
No I haven't, I haven't. I know it was a treasure to my mother, she had it as a wedding present in 1934. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
OK, so we have what's called a "tabula rasa". | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
I am going to tell you that if you put this up for auction... | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
and assuming all of the rest of it which we see listed, is in good condition... | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
-Yes, it is. -You would certainly be looking for an auction room price of somewhere between £4,000 and £6,000. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:27 | |
Mm, amazing! | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Well, I'm not exactly a religious man, but I remember from my days... | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
when I was a little boy at Sunday School that bit in... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
I think it's Isaiah, the Book of Isaiah, when they said they should beat their swords into plough shares, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
This sword quite obviously hasn't been beaten into a plough share, has it? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
-No, no, certainly not. -And where did it come from? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Well, my niece, who's got a house in Sevenoaks, she had a leak in her roof a few... well, last week... | 0:05:53 | 0:06:00 | |
and of course called in Dad. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Dad goes up to the roof, goes to find the leak, goes to | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
the chimney breast and he found that hidden behind the chimney breast. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
-What on earth was it doing there? -We don't know but it's at least | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
-must be 200 years old because I went into the internet with the name... -Now that's this name here? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
-That name, there. -The name of the swordsmith. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
-Yes, and the internet took me into the Maritime Museum. -Excellent. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
And the Maritime Museum had 174 swords but only two of this make. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
Right, well, he's actually quite an unusual sword cutler, I have to say. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
-Yes. -Um, it says here on the label, "S Brunn, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
"sword cutler to HRH the Prince of Wales". | 0:06:38 | 0:06:45 | |
-Now the Prince of Wales refers to the Prince Regent. -Prinnie. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Exactly, exactly, so we can date that, probably right at the beginning of the 19th century. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:56 | |
-Yes. -It's a Scottish Officer's broad sword. -Oh, Scottish... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
Now if we take it from the top, looking at the hilt, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
this basket hilt would have been completely gilded and it would have been beautiful to see originally. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:11 | |
-Oh, right. -The original shagreen, or fish skin grip is still there, the problem is the condition. -Yes. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
Now you can see that the scabbard itself is split. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
I... Will it come out? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
We tried but we didn't pull it out, because we were afraid that we might damage it. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
-No, that won't come out. -So we left it as it is, and we thought | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
if the Antique Roadshow want to get it out, they can get it out. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
I can't get it out, but I guess you will be able to get it out. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
I think looking at it, you've got a double-edged sword, so it is a broad sword. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
Been used a bit, hasn't it? | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
-Looks a bit like it has. -Someone's chopped a tree down with it. -It's a good sword, or it was a good sword. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
I think in that condition, well, what's it going to be worth? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
Once it's restored it's going to be worth something in the region of £600... | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
-£800. -As much as that? Oh! -What? | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
We was thinking of £20 or £30 and we'd go out for a meal with it. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
You could buy a bloomin' good meal for that sort of price today. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Yes, well...they'll be absolute... they'll be absolutely amazed. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
-Wonderful. -And so will I... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
-and I've got me fifteen minutes on television, fantastic. -Thank you. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
This is a gorgeous pot isn't it? Made by the Grainger factory at Worcester, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
I suppose for pot pourri... do you use it for pot pourri? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
-I don't, not really, no. -You don't? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
No, I just put it out as it is, actually I've got the plug-in for the different smells. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Oh, you must use this, yes. It's gorgeous, we call it pierced ivory. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
-Yes. -It's meant to look like a piece of ivory, made in | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
the Parian body. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
-Yes. -And it's pierced by a man called Alfred Barry. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
-I knew his daughter very well and she told me all about him. -Oh, you did? | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
-He did this superb work and it's a beautiful little thing isn't it? -Yes. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Lovely, absolutely gorgeous, so how long have you had it? | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Well, I'm not quite sure, I suppose I've had it about 30-35 years. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
-Yes. -My husband bought it for me. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
-Oh, did he? -Yes. -So it's a romantic thing. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Well... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
A nice memory of him and a beautiful pot. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
Yes, yes, so it is. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
But the date coding is given by... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
-that's the normal Grainger mark there. -Yes. -With the shield. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
-Oh, I see, yes, yes, yes. -And the letter "I" | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
is the date code for eighteen... | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
-1898. -Is that really? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
-So it's over a hundred years old. -Is it really? I didn't realise that. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
-Oh, it is, so it's jolly nice indeed. -Oh, I didn't think it was as old as that. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
And the reticulation is very beautiful, it's somewhat dirty inside. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
-Well, yeah, I don't very often wash it. -No, no, no, it should be... | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
High days and holidays. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
It shouldn't be washed too often but it could do | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
with a nice one in a soft soap. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
Something gentle, warm soft soap. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
That's right, to be honest with you, I'm always a little bit nervous when I wash it. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
-Yes, I'm sure, I'm sure. -But, um, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
at the moment... it's been packed away for a couple of months. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
-But it should come out now, filled with pot pourri. -Yes, yes. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
-Get rid of that mechanical stuff. -Yes, yes, will do, yes. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
-Used to be a beautiful smell. -Oh, OK, then I'll take your advice. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Lovely, and the value now is about £1,000 or even a bit more. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
-Is it really? -Yes, so look after it. -Oh, I will do, don't worry about that. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
And more particularly, enjoy it. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Oh, now you've started an argument, my children will all want it now. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Oh, will they? Oh, well, oh, well don't tell them it's worth that. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
-These are really nice. What do you know about them? -Well, not really very much. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
I understand though that they were made by the Vimini factory in Italy, a small factory, but that's about | 0:10:30 | 0:10:37 | |
all I know, apart from the fact that there's a lot of movement about them and they're rather beautiful. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
They're very elegant, aren't they? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
And how long have you owned these? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Well, this one I bought 40 years ago in an auction in Maidstone, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:54 | |
and when I bought that I fell in love with it, and decided I'd like to collect more of them | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
and in 40 years I've managed to collect one more, so not been very | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
successful, that was 20 years ago in Greenwich market I bought that. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
Well, I've got some news for you there's a remarkable coincidence, I... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
about a year ago I bought two of these, I found them | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
at a boot fair and I have bought the two of them for £100... | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
I thought they were Vimini... | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
-as you say. -Yes. -Which is an Austrian lamp glass works, these are made by blowing gas through a pipe and | 0:11:22 | 0:11:29 | |
melting rods of glass together, this is how these are made, so I had these out and somebody walked into the shop | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
and he said, "Oh, you have some glass by Istvan Andras Karamoni" | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
and I go "What?" | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
"Istvan Andras Karamoni" and I said, "What are you talking about?" | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
he said, "These, these". I said, "No, they're Vimini". | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
He said, "They are not, when I was a child living in Shirley, near Croydon,..." | 0:11:49 | 0:11:55 | |
-No. -"..my next door neighbour was Istvan Andras Karamoni and I used to go round for sixpence a week | 0:11:55 | 0:12:03 | |
"after school, I would help him and watch him make these figures | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
-"in a bedroom at the back of his house in a suburban Croydon". -Amazing. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
He's a Hungarian, arrived from Budapest in about 1954 in England and his most famous group is | 0:12:13 | 0:12:21 | |
a group of stags, one of which was given to Princess Margaret at... | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
as a wedding present, so whilst they certainly look like Vimini, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
they are this guy with the very easy name. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
-Forgotten it already. -We'll write it down. -Yes, thank you. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
So when it comes to value, I can't help but feel | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
that that's got to be worth £250. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I think it's really elegant, sexy, spontaneous and rare. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
-This one, I have this figure. -Yes. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
-Set on one of these boards. -Ah, right. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
-So I think this is actually damaged and there is a replacement foot, so I would put £50 to £75. -Right. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:04 | |
-But that's the least. -Good. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:05 | |
Here we are, "Rochester, I owe everything to this place"... | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Dame Sibyl Thorndyke, doyenne of the English stage and worldwide | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
traveller, there is one place whose memories she treasures most in all... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
Rochester. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
-She was a fabulous actress, wasn't she? -She was, wonderful. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
Really very very good, and here she is "After a few words with Mrs Pugh, wife of | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
"Dr David Pugh, who live at 2 Minor Canon Row, Rochester"... | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
the Thorndykes' first home in Rochester. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
So tell me, what is the connection between you and Sibyl Thorndyke? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
-I went up to see her on her 90th birthday in 1972. -Right. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:47 | |
On behalf of the Children of the Medway Towns with... | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
-What are the Children of Medway? -Well, they have produced over a hundred birthday cards for her. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Right, and this is, this is her opening her cards. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
This is her opening her cards with my own small daughter who was then | 0:13:57 | 0:14:04 | |
-five. -Oh, well I think that's absolutely splendid. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
-But the real prize was seeing her. -Seeing her face to face. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
Seeing her and spending half an hour in her company. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Oh, I think that's splendid. What else have you got here? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
You've got a couple of signed photographs. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
-Yes. -You've got quite a few letters, you've got the Order of Thanksgiving | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
Service for the life of Sibyl Thorndyke Casson in Westminster Abbey. Did you go to that? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:30 | |
Yes, I did, yes, and it was a wonderful occasion. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Yes, absolutely wonderful, and then you've got here the biography. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
-That's right. -Tell me about that. -Well, when I went up | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
with the cards and the children, she said to me, "You know my son John has written a book about me" | 0:14:41 | 0:14:48 | |
and I said "Yes, I know, Dame Sibyl, my husband is going to give it to me for Christmas" | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
and she said "No, he isn't, my dear, because I'm going to give it to you now" | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
and she sent me into the kitchen with the little old Irish lady | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
who was her companion | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
to the cooker, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
and I was amazed to see this cooker, this spotless gas cooker | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
which she never used, because she didn't like cooking, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
and it was full of these books that she was going to give away. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
-That's a marvellous place to put books. -In the cooker. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
Absolutely tremendous. I love this bit | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
"Dear Mrs Walker, I'm so very glad you like the book, I think John has made a very | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
"good job of it, I enjoyed it too, thank you for writing me such an interesting letter, full of memories. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:35 | |
"I don't know whether you mean the school that was in King Street, or the one in St Margaret's. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
"I have wonderful memories of the one in St Margaret's... | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
"PTO... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
"because I taught in Sunday School there from time to time; I was ten years old. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
"If you mean the one in King Street, the old Board School... | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
"we used to spit at it when we passed" | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
which is wonderful "because it wasn't a church school | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
and then she signs it elaborately, "Good luck, sincerely Sibyl Thorndyke Casson" | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
and a wonderful signature there too. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
-Yes. -Now tell me, what about values? Have you any idea of values? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
Well, I wouldn't part with any of it, but I have no idea at all. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
Well, as you can imagine, she lived until a great old age. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
-94. -And so she signed quite a lot of stuff. -Yes, she did. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
But I think you've got... and with your memories and all the other bits and pieces that you've got here... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
I think you've got the best part of £500 or £600. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
-Good gracious. -Now be careful as you go home. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
-Yes, I will, thank you. -All right, thanks for bringing it in. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
It was my great grandfather's, he was in the navy in both | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
world wars and he survived both and we don't know how he came across it, but it comes apart. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:54 | |
Ah, look at that. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
OK, well... have you ever seen anything like this before? | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
-Not at all, no. -Right, well, I have. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
In the early part of the 20th century when this was made, there was no television, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:12 | |
-there was no radio, people had to find their own amusement. -Yes. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
And so handicrafts were the thing of the day, people | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
wrote poetry, they played music, they, they drew, they painted, they played with metalwork, and that's | 0:17:18 | 0:17:24 | |
exactly what this is, it's a little novelty, and somebody who had a tremendous talent with his hands. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
-Yes. -Perhaps with the lathe, has taken two pennies, and they had to use two. -Yes. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
-And they've cut the tails off of one and the heads off of the other. -Yes. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:41 | |
And they've turned away the centre of the head and they've made a little tiny box. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
-What's it worth? Well, frankly, I think it's quite rare. -Yes. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
I'd pay £50 for that, just for a novelty. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
-I know. -I think it's fantastic. -And my mum says... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
It's a penny then, so it's got to be about half a penny nowadays. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
The half penny today converts to about £50 so I think you've got a lovely object there. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
Yeah, I really like it. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
In its three decades, the Antiques Roadshow has been introduced by no less than five presenters... | 0:18:16 | 0:18:22 | |
Bruce Parker was the first, there was Angela Rippon, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
Hugh Scully was the longest serving presenter and then came me... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
that was in the year 200o. But the experts started very young... | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
When did the name Hilary Kay first go up in lights? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
It was early on, it was '79/'80 I mean back in those early days. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
Did you ever think very hard about what you wore? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Well, I suppose I should have done. No, I didn't... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
was the answer, which means that I made all the classic telly mistakes... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
huge patterns, bra-less, uncomfortable shoes and you just | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
had to learn by your own mistakes and you know, thankfully here we are now with all those mistakes learned. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:02 | |
Well, go back now please to a really outstanding early memory. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
Well, the one fantastic object from those really early days was the automaton that was found at Bognor. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:15 | |
And that was special for so many reasons, I mean firstly it was | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
the time that I was working with Arthur Negus and you can imagine, I'd grown up with "Going For A Song" | 0:19:19 | 0:19:26 | |
and that was just such a sort of hero worship thing for me | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
then, to be working with Arthur, so that was number one, and then you had this wonderful object which really... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
how it ever escaped from a museum I've no idea, I mean it was just a great thing, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
and then thirdly, I mean... bit naughty... | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
but I just loved the client, the owner, with her wonderful hat and you know, long skinny boots. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:51 | |
She was, she was just wonderful, so I mean the three made it into a real priceless memory for me. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
Are you interested in music yourself, because the songs are really very pretty, aren't they? | 0:19:56 | 0:20:02 | |
Well, I was a professional singer myself and then a lecturer of music. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
-Well, I never, but it's a beautiful object. -It is lovely. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
Er, to actually put a value on an item like | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
this is difficult, because as I said, it's a really museum piece. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
But I would have thought at an auction, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
he should realise between £6,000 and £8,000. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
Oh, that's a lot, isn't it? | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
It is a lot, but he's worth every penny, I think. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
And the automaton itself went on to great glory. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
It did, I mean much later on, I don't know, 15 or 16 years later the owner phoned me up at | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
the auction house where I was working and said she'd decided to sell it | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
and when it came up for sale it actually went for £84,000 | 0:20:46 | 0:20:52 | |
which was a huge sum, I mean it was then, it still is a huge sum now. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
-Well, your campaign medal's in the post. -Ooh, good. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
And there are other contenders for that title and we them the Young Ones. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
MUSIC: "The Young Ones" by Cliff Richard | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
At first sight there seems to be no immediate connection | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
between this piece of slightly crudely formed oak | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
and a beautifully made boat, tell us what it is. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
Well, my great grandfather | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
was a boat builder but he was acquainted with Charles Dickens | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
and either watched, or played, cricket with him at Gads Hill House | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
and a tree was in the way, Dickens wanted rid of it, and my great grandfather bought it. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:06 | |
-Right, and that is what this piece of paper is all about. -It is indeed. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
And this is a what, a typescript from... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
It's written on the top there. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
God, it even gets better, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
So it says "This piece of oak was grown at Gads Hill, the tree of which it is a part, interfered with | 0:22:20 | 0:22:27 | |
"the prospect at a cricket match at which I was one of the players" | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
-ie your great grandfather. -Indeed. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:32 | |
"And Dickens expressed a wish for its removal. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
-"I offered to buy it". Well, that was very opportune. -Absolutely. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
-I mean a boat builder needs oak, doesn't he? -He does indeed. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
And there is the actual cheque that he gave to Charles Dickens to purchase this oak tree. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:48 | |
-For ten pounds. -And he paid £10 for an entire tree, but... | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
..well, of course I'll pay lip service to being interested in Dickens while | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
I'm here in Rochester, my main interest is actually in the boat and I love boat models. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:03 | |
-Great. -This is absolutely meat and drink to me. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
-I live on the Thames. -Right. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
On the upper Thames and so I'm very used to seeing nice clinker built dinghies, although this, to my eye, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:15 | |
is not a Thames proportion, is it, is it a Medway boat? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
I think it is, um, he built boats for the local fishermen. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
-Right. -Because Medway at the time was famous for sprats, oysters and shrimps. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
Interesting that I see that these, certainly the seats in the thwarts are made of oak | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
and I think the planking is as well and wouldn't it be wonderful to think that it was from the tree? | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
That would be terrific. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
-That would be special. -What other evidence of the family is there? | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
We do have a photograph of Edward Lemon which is here. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
What is that he's standing next to? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
He's standing next to a pulpit which he carved for "The Arethusa" | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
which was then a training ship for The Shaftesbury Homes. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
So there I was, very very rudely at the beginning saying this is | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
slightly crudely formed oak plaque and I think you'd agree, it is. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
-Oh, yes. -But that... actually he improved, didn't he, over the years? | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
-Yes, he got better. -He got pretty good. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Yes, he did, yes, he did. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Um, no, they're great things and what wonderful things of local interest. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
-Yes. -What are they worth? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
As a piece of...essentially a piece of treen, carved wood, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
I would say it's £200 or £300. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
-Right. -But of course we've got the Dickens connection to, to cope with. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
-Yes. -And the Dickens market is quite strong. -Oh, right. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
-And I think that it is worth many hundreds, certainly the best part of £1,000. -Good heavens! | 0:24:37 | 0:24:43 | |
That's... that's better than we expected, that's really good. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
-It actually compares directly with the value of this. -Really? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Because I saw a very similar hull, for sale recently, and that was also priced at just under £1,000. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
Good heavens. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
So with all the extra interest, with the photograph and... | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
I suppose, you know, you're well on top of £2,000. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
When did you last ride a bike in a cathedral? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
-Oh, let me think. -Do it all the time, do you? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
Yeah, pretty much. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
So where did you find bikes like this? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Well, they were delivered to my great grandfather who had a dairy, a very small dairy at | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
the bottom of a very small lane, and the tanker couldn't get down the lane to the dairy so as far as | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
we know, the dairy supplied him with the tricycles to get the milk from the dairy to the tanker. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
So when was that do you think? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Um, as far as I know my grandfather got them in 1947. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
-Oh, quite late. -Oh, yeah, quite late. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
So what did they have on here? Milk churns? | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
Yeah, it would have probably had bottled milk on it, or milk churns, and the same with this one. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
So were they given to you as good bikes? Were they in good condition? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
Um, when I got them they were, yes, but they weren't when my father found them. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
My father found them on my granddad's farm | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
and he restored them when he was 16, which must have been 30 years ago. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
So let's get down to basics. Why do you want to ride bicycles like this? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
They're heavy, they're old-fashioned. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
-Because they're absolutely great fun, I mean I do my groceries on that one. -Do you? | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
-I do. -There's plenty of room for your supermarket bags. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
-I don't have a driving licence, I've got no other way of doing them. -That's great. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
My mum and dad rode on their first date on this tricycle. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
She on the front, he on the back? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
Yeah, he cycled her to the pub and they had lunch together, and that was their first date... | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
they've now been married 22 years. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Well, what a start! She had to say yes, didn't she? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Oh, definitely and then came along me and my brother, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
she strapped our carry cots to the front of that and took us down the shops, then took us cycling. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
Um and then of course... family history... | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
we had to repeat it, my boyfriend cycled me to the Prom on that one. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
Fantastic, what riding or carrying? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
-My boyfriend cycled and I was sat on the front. -How elegant. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
It was absolutely wonderful. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
Now, in Roadshow terms... value. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
-What are they worth to you? -Priceless. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
-Priceless. -I think if I sold them, my uncle would actually kill me. -Well, that's fair enough, in that case. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
They're so precious to me, I'm the fourth generation to have them. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
-I don't care what they're worth. -No, well, in that case, I'm not going to tell you. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
-Please don't. -No, let's keep it as a wonderful bit of... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
-bit of family history and mystery. -Yes, they are, they are brilliant. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
I think they're great, and in fact I've always wanted to ride a delivery bike so off I go. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
-Well, there you go, bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
It's a fabulous service, that's what I like about this so much, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
-it's a very, very tactile piece, it feels like fur. -Feels like fur? | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
It's a gorgeous thing, gorgeous, gorgeous, and it's a fabulous form as well. Do you know what it is? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
No, you tell me. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
-Well, you must have looked. -Yes, it's Ruskin but I don't know anything about it. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
It's Ruskin Ware yes, it says so on the base here "Ruskin Pottery 1909" | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
it's a factory near Birmingham set up just before the end of the 19th century | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
by a chap called William Houghton Taylor, he set it up with his father | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
and they made these wonderful high fired, high-temperature flambe-glazed vases inspired by Chinese pieces | 0:27:54 | 0:28:02 | |
principally, for around about 30 years or so, but they are terrific quality. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
In this vase it's using a high-temperature, copper-edged | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
flambe glaze, it's a very difficult glaze to control in the kiln. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
In some areas, if you don't get the oxygen levels exactly right, you get | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
these slightly grey areas and the very best examples have a very even glaze, but it's a really pretty vase, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:26 | |
it's a really pretty shape, it feels lovely. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
At auction, I'd expect it to fetch £800 to £1,200. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
Wow! | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Really? Oh, my God. Oh, thank you very much. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
I think it's lovely. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:43 | |
On this table you have almost encapsulated my entire childhood, do you realise that? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:53 | |
-I didn't realise that. -It's a worry isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
But we had a toy shop in our village and I'd save up my 2/6 every week | 0:28:56 | 0:29:03 | |
and buy something, because Corgi... | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
I hate to say it, all those Dinky toy fans out there... | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
-Corgi were the ones to buy. -Absolutely. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
And to prove it, we have the fact | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
-that you are a registered member of the Corgi Model Club. -That's right. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:20 | |
I was always a Corgi fanatic. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
Exactly, well, I mean Corgi set up in 1956 which was quite | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
a long time after Dinky, but they had this big selling point, didn't they? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Their slogan was... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
-"the one with windows". -Yes, "the one with windows". | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
-And then they had suspension and then they had dual headlamps. -Absolutely. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
And they got really early into sort of film merchandise and TV world. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
-Yes, they did, yes, yes. -So they had, um obviously James Bond. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
-Bond. -Here we have James Bond. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
-They had The Avengers. -That's right. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
-Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. -Yes. -Man From Uncle. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
-Yes, I remember those. -Queen Hornet. -Yes. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
OK, so when did you start collecting? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
Well, I'm not a collector as such, these are just my childhood toys. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
They all date from the late '50s to probably the mid '60s. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-Yes. -And, er... -So were you a pocket money hoarder as well? | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
-Er, yes, certainly, for the... for this one. -Yeah. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
I saved up two shillings a week which was my pocket money for | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
eight weeks, sixteen shillings, and my mum added the one and six, and I went to Dartford and purchased it | 0:30:17 | 0:30:23 | |
from the toy shop but the majority come from one of my sisters, so three older sisters, very spoiled | 0:30:23 | 0:30:30 | |
and my sister Elaine used to come home from work every Friday, most Fridays with a toy. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
No! | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
Invariably it was a Corgi toy. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
So good for her, so this is, this is the spoilt spoils from, from a little brother. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
Absolutely, absolutely. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
-Brilliant, so amongst all these with me, I think my favourite was probably the caravan. -Oh, OK, OK. -Which is... | 0:30:45 | 0:30:53 | |
I don't what that says about me but closely followed, I have to say... | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
-by... oh, you haven't got it here. -What's that? | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
Which was a wonderful Corvette. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
-Chevrolet Corvette. -Yeah. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Oh, it's there, oh, you've got it! | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
And I am in seventh heaven now, you're not going to see this again, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
that's going to slip nicely into my handbag. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
So my favourites. Your favourites? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
-My favourites was the James Bond Aston Martin, the Ecurie Ecosse car transporter. -Yes. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:24 | |
-And funnily enough the circus set. -Well, I think the circus has got so much going for it. -Yes, yes. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
-Lots and lots of accessories. -Yes. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
-But the great thing here is the condition. -OK. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
Now, sad boy, or boy that played with his toys? | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I had two lots of toys, toys I played | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
outside with, and toys I played indoors, these were the indoor toys. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
-Very good, very good. -Yes. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
OK, so value. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Which is the most valuable, do you think? | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
Well, I thought, I thought it was the James Bond Aston Martin | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
but I believe it could be the circus set, in that case I don't know. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
I think it's this. I think it's the gift set number 1. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
-No. -Actually. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
I mean I know you've got a dink in the lid here, but gift set number 1 | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
-can fetch about £500. -Good grief. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
So I think that's your cracker... | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
-the circus models come next at around £350-£400. -OK. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
This comes third, this is going to be around £300 and the rest are going to | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
add up, I mean when you go through and add them all up in your head... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
Sure, sure. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
I reckon we're getting to £2,000 without any problem at all. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
-Really. Really? -Yeah. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
-So, well done for saving your money and buying them. -Thank you. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
Thank you to Elaine | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
for giving them to you every Friday | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
and well done for keeping them in such great shape because now | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
you've got something that really is just as exciting as it was. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
I'll have to take more care of them, because they're stored in the loft. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
-Not good. -And subject to extremes of temperature. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
-Which leads to metal fatigue. -Absolutely. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
So get them down from the loft, have them out on display, they look fantastic. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
Yes, right. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
This is a most strange and unique form of glass decorating that is applied to this jug. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:17 | |
It was made by Davenport who are a porcelain company in Staffordshire, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:24 | |
and this is their contribution to glass making history and it is called "the Davenport patent" | 0:33:24 | 0:33:31 | |
and it's supported by the application of the word "patent" | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
to the base of this jug which is a real cracker. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
Now the Davenport patent concerned the application of sugar water | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
and black ink to the body of the glass, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:52 | |
fine-tuned with a stiletto to leave an image that was created by firing it. | 0:33:52 | 0:34:00 | |
It was patented in 1806 and they abandoned the making of it in 1811 | 0:34:00 | 0:34:06 | |
and they made examples for the Tsar, and the Prince Regent. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:12 | |
This is the market it was aimed at, so tell us your part of the story. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
Well, it was handed down to me by my mother who was | 0:34:17 | 0:34:22 | |
a very astute lady, actually, and did know her antiques. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
You're not surprising me with that nugget. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
-No, and, um... -She was French. -And, um, yes, she was French. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
-Right. Well, not that I think that has any bearing, because this is as English as roast beef. -Yes. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
The scene is one of the famous scenes - the scene is The Huntsman. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
There are other ones that are geometric patterns, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
acanthus decoration up here, this is classic Davenport, I knew it the second I saw it, you know. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Yeah, I knew. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Well, we have a couple of problems with it and that is that | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
it is, has got a right bash here and it's got a chip here, none the less I can tell you, with confidence | 0:34:55 | 0:35:03 | |
that these are restorable, you can get this stuff out. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
Now a group, a collection went up under the hammer last year of | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Rummer wine glasses, now the Rummers went for £2,000 each | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
so I've got no hesitation at all... | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
albeit that it's quite damaged... | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
-on putting a valuation of between £4,000 and £5,000 on this jug. -Wow! | 0:35:19 | 0:35:25 | |
Taken my breath away. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
I love doing that. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
Fascinating group of silver, where did they come from? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
They are in fact the silver ware of our local church which is part of the Rochester Diocese. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
Right, right, so what are they all about? | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
So first of all, this one. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Wonderful piece of silver. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
You've got an inscription here which reads "the gift of Robert Mann Esquire, Anno 1750" | 0:35:50 | 0:35:58 | |
but that's not the date of the piece. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
-Ah. -OK, the piece itself... | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
you've got the date letter there for 1698. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
Oh, right. Was it in its previous life, a paten for a chalice? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
-It was just a plate. -No, really a dish. -A dish. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:16 | |
Simply a dish, domestic use, not for church use at all. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
-Oh, right, ah. -OK? -Yeah. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
-So I think with this one we're looking probably around £1,500 to £2,000 mark. -Right. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:29 | |
OK. What have we got here? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
Ex dono Francis Withams, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
Militus, I think that means he is a military man, I might be wrong, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
my Latin is absolutely hopeless. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
And here we've got this rather curious... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
it reads 1691-2, so this | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
this must have coincided with that change | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
in the year, but again the date actually is deceptive. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
-In this case, we've got the date letter for 1683. -Oh, right. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
-And this is actually a dinner plate, really. -Oh, right. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
Of the reign of Charles II but of course you have to remember | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
with the Reformation, domestic silver like this was perfectly acceptable. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
So what about value on this one? | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Well, we had an idea from... no, the overall value of these, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:25 | |
I think it was something like two and a half K or something. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
£2,500 you reckon overall. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:30 | |
-Yes. -Well, this on its own is somewhere between £5,000 and £6,000. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:36 | |
-Are you noting this down? -Yes. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
So when you inherited this, why on earth did you keep it? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Well, I just think it's the most beautiful object in its own right, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
I love the colour, I love the shape, I love the intricacy, and it's got | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
so many clues all over it, I just think it's a fantastically beautiful piece of art...artwork, really. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:59 | |
Well, it's a cow horn beaker made in the 18th century and it just makes you smile. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
I'm smiling all the time, every time I hold it. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
-Exactly. -Well, it's a funny, there's a lot of sort of little funny pieces in it, in the carving. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Well, it is full of humour. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Well, curiously, I think we need to start at the bottom because it says here | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
"this is for his Royal M... | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
"KG"... or GK... so His Royal Majesty King George and this chap here is wearing a garter star, or a star. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:31 | |
-Oh, right. -So perhaps this is King George, and conveniently it says "KG" | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
there and also, what on earth is this rather strange... | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
This is a compass of some sort and it has north, south, east, west | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
but the east and west are in the wrong position. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
So I assume it wasn't a very educated person that made it. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
Well, he's certainly very skilful, but who is he, I wonder, and here, over this rather bizarre | 0:38:48 | 0:38:54 | |
royal arms with the supporters, the lion and the unicorn, I mean look at this unicorn, what a mad unicorn that | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
is, it's terrific, isn't it? The inscription - where you would expect a sort of garter inscription - | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
-says "God knows this horn is mine". -It's a very personal piece, isn't it? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:08 | |
Absolutely, it's mine. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
The whole thing has been cut back in relief, it's quite extraordinary, rather than incised. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
A lot that I've seen are incised and why I love this is the low relief on it. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-Yes. -I think that's just beautiful, and it feels nice, everything about it's right. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
It does feel right. It's just the most lovely thing. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
This very silly dog about to lick or bite King George's hand, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
so now we've got to try and work out what date, and which King George. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
The coat of arms is definitely Georgian, it has the lions, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
the harp, the fleur de lys, I'm not sure what this fellow is, but it's not quite right. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:46 | |
Well, I think there's another final clue in here in terms of its date in that | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
-the outfits that they're both wearing appear to be mid-18th century. -So this is George II, you think? | 0:39:51 | 0:39:57 | |
I think it's George II, yes, I don't see why not, and everything about it has got... | 0:39:57 | 0:40:03 | |
it's just the most lovely primitive object and I don't mean by "primitive" | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
rudely, I think it's a fabulous primitive object. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
When you inherited it... how long ago did you get it? | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
30 years ago Mum gave it to me. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
Well, it was probably worth a fiver then, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
but I think now that it's one of the most charming things I've seen for a long time and | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
at auction I think it should make somewhere between £2,000 and £3,000. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
Well, it's too beautiful to sell. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
Well, absolutely, I would never sell it if it was mine, I think it's a lovely object. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
So we're up now to sort of £7,500 or so... | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
that sort of level, what about this one? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
We know nothing about it at all. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
No, it's a total mystery to us. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Let's just slide those over there. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
This is actually what's known as a steeple cup, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
from this obelisk or steeple on the lid, this was a tremendous feature | 0:40:52 | 0:40:59 | |
at one particular period and time, it absolutely screams when it was made. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
-Yes. -And that period was the reign of King James I. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
The actual date in fact... | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
just fits rather tightly on there. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
Did you find the hallmark because we... | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
We've got a full set of marks there. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
-Oh, yes. -Ah. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Right. And we've actually got the London date letter there for 1619. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:26 | |
What are you using it for? | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
For high days and holidays, for Communion. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
Right, again interesting because it's actually not a Communion cup. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Ah, that was going to be another question because all the people | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
who use it say it's dreadfully uncomfortable to drink from. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
-Right. -Bearing in mind the Communion practice of helping someone to drink from it. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
-Indeed, it is a secular drinking cup. -Oh. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
And again it's the secularisation with the Reformation and it was perfectly acceptable for somebody to | 0:41:50 | 0:41:56 | |
present to a church what was actually their domestic drinking cup. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
You have to be somebody quite important to have a standing cup and cover of this sort of size and scale. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
What about these brackets in the stem? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
Eating you see when this was made, was to a large extent a hands-on operation, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:14 | |
-just think of your hand covered with mutton fat. -Oh, yeah, yeah. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
Got a jolly good grip there. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
Works beautifully. Sort of value today... | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
I would be thinking in terms of about | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
£50,000, maybe £60,000. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
We can pay the Rector's salary now. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
50 to 60K? | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
-Plus the price of... -Plus those. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
It had previously been hinted at, possibly about 2K. Well, that's unbelievable. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
-A bit of an improvement on two thousand. -Isn't it just? | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Yes, I mean you couldn't buy that for two thousand, you might just | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
about be able to buy that one for two thousand, so please do make sure that you put them somewhere safe. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:03 | |
Yes, they'll be going straight back to the bank as we leave here. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
-A very good idea. -Yes. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
With all my talk about Dickens setting one of his novels here in Rochester Cathedral, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
so much restoration has gone on, that if he came back here, he wouldn't recognise the place. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:21 | |
Although one or two of the pillars still have a distinct | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
outward lean, but then if you were a thousand years old, wouldn't you? | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
Thanks again to the Dean and Chapter for having us, and from Rochester in Kent, for now, goodbye. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:33 |