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We know when we're in for a great day because amidst | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
the clamour of the crowds there's an inner silence. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
It's our experts, like Alec here, concentrating hard | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
before they let loose on some fine object put before them. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
There were lots of those here when our charabanc arrived in Somerset. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
So much so, that we could welcome you to a second helping | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
of great finds from Wells. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
The Roadshow is all about discovery, revealing the story of antiquities | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
that have survived through the centuries, that have touched | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
people's lives, and sometimes | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
tell us a little something about how we live today. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
And all of that applies to where we find ourselves now. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Just look at this. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
CHORAL MUSIC | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
People sit and admire the west front of the cathedral, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
rather like our experts scrutinise a painting | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
and it's an amazing achievement, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
given that work was begun on it almost 800 years ago. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
Inside is no less impressive. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Engineers today are awestruck by the brilliance of 14th-century thinking. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
These scissor arches stabilise the whole building and prevent | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
the collapse of the central tower, much of it made from local limestone | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
quarried from the Mendips. | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
This has to be my favourite corner - the tomb of Bishop Bitton reputedly | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
the most ancient engraved slab in England and at one time | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
thought to be a cure for toothache. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
According to legend, one touch and the agony was gone, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
which is why it's so worn here. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
In the 19th century when they opened up the tomb, they discovered | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
the skeleton of the bishop perfectly preserved and every tooth intact. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
There are four ancient gates which shut off the palace from the rest | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
of the city, odd you might think, for a bishop's home to be built | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
in such a defensive manner, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
with a moat, portcullis, even a chute | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
for pouring molten lead or oil on would-be attackers, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
but it was built during a time of real social unrest, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
so they weren't taking any chances. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
Today, the drawbridge is down as we welcome the people of Wells | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
to the gardens of the Bishop's Palace. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Now, I can see you're holding a Bunnykins bowl, that takes me back | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
to the 1970s when I worked for Royal Doulton and surprisingly I had a lot | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
to do with Bunnykins cos I was involved in their history, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
but tell me, why have you got the bowl? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
I'm here with the bowl because my... | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
I'm the niece of the original artist. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Barbara Vernon Bailey. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
So I've brought along the bowl, but I've also brought along | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
the original painting to go with it. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
Which I have here | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
and this is a drawing by Barbara Vernon Bailey for that bowl. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
For that bowl. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
She intrigued me because... | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
most people I think know she was a nun and suddenly | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
one day she invented this, sort of, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
series of rabbits and her family ran the company at that point, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
and they put it into production | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
and to everybody's amazement it took off. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
-Yes. -And has gone on and gone on and gone on. What was she like? | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
She taught me, I was at school, in her school and she taught me, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
she was terrifying, one assumes | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
because she painted rabbits she was gentle and soft. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Lovely and Beatrix Potter-y. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
But she was terrifying, very tall with an enormous hooked nose | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
and an enormous chin and she would lean over you and sort of... | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
Very strict and everyone was terrified of her. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
-So, this is very unlike her, really? -Completely, completely alien to... | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
-We all knew her as Babs. -Babs. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Completely alien to the person I know. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
That's what I love because I wanted to know | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
what an extraordinary person, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
who is a nun who designs rabbit tableware and you've answered. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
-Not, not who you assume. -Not what you expect. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
I mean to be fair it was a very, very successful design, early 1930s, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
onward and onward, there are hundreds of designs | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
and hundreds of collectors, because there are rare designs | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
and early versions and all that sort of collector stuff. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-Is this the only drawing you've got? -No, I do have one other drawing. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
-And again related to a piece. -Yes, I mean I have about 60 pieces. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
So, lovely drawing, there's the bowl, what's the drawing worth? | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
-No idea. -No idea, they're pretty rare. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
I think a Bunnykins collector is going to pay £300, £500 | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
for one with a provenance like yours. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
-It couldn't be better, straight out of the family. -Yes. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
Out of the nuns' lair, as you might say, out of the convent. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
I didn't steal it. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
Actually, on the back, it says Christmas present. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
So we've got rather a lot riding on this question, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
and the question is, is this an original drawing by Renoir? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
-It came into the family through an uncle who was a dealer, really. -Yes. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
With a very, very good eye. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
-A good eye. -A very good eye. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
-Did he have very good pictures? -Yes, he did, he... | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
He did have good pictures. He also had a lot of glass | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
and china, which went to the Ashmolean | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
and he had quite a lot that went to Bristol City Museum, so... | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
His name was Jimmy Montfort, and... | 0:06:07 | 0:06:08 | |
A lot of modern things too which was interesting, Bacon, for example. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
-Bacon? -Mm. -So he had a roving eye, you might say. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
A very, very roving eye, absolutely. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
-But very, very high quality. -Very high quality. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Most of his collection is now in museums. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Well, then we've got to take this object very seriously indeed. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
The first thing to say about it is... | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
with the frame and everything... what a pretty thing it is. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
It is, it's been on our... since Sarah and I can remember, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
-forever, and it... -You're sisters, are you? -Yes, we are. -I see. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
And it's just been part of the fabric of wherever we've lived. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
But you've never asked the question, "Is it a print or a drawing?" | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
We've always been led to believe it's a print, we never queried it. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Right. OK, well we've got to find out, because if it's an original | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
it's worth, you know, well into five figures, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
and who knows where you stop after that? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
It's, it's incredibly convincing as a drawing, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
this is the thing, isn't it? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
-Well... -Mm. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
There are ways of telling, but I'm afraid all of them | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
involve taking it out of the frame, so we've got to start with that. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
Er...now... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
Put the frame down here. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
And then, the first thing we can see | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
is that it's on quite a thin sheet of paper, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
and, er, if we look there, there's a sort of blind stamp there. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
-Yes. -Um, now the question is... | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
is that a collector's mark or a publisher's mark? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
What do you mean by a blind stamp? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
That is when it's embossed and it's actually pushed | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
into the paper rather than a stamp where it's been inked | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
-and then stamped onto the paper. -OK. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Um, and usually, when they're, when they're blind stamped, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
I have to say, it's usually a publisher's thing, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
when they're pushed through the paper, so that's the first clue. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
You could have told that without taking it out of the frame, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
but, um, the next thing we do, is that we've got to look at it | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
in a raking light, at a very, very slanting light. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Luckily we've got some nice sun which is English September, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
so we'll use that. If you hold it up to a very raking light, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
so you catch the surface texture of the paper and the marks on it, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
what you're looking for is a change in the sheen that you can see. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
There should be a mattness where the crayon is. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
The next thing I'd do is actually hold it up to the light again, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
but this time we're looking through the paper | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
rather than on the paper, and if you hold it up, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
you can actually see that it's on laid paper, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
which means that's a wire mesh that they've dropped the wet paper onto | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
and lifted it out of the water, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
and it leaves the wire marks as a slightly thinner area in the paper. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
Um, that's actually a good sign, because if it was on a woven paper, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
that's not made that way, it wouldn't have those wire marks, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
and a lot of prints were. However, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
put it flat down again, look at the drawing and you'll see | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
that the crayon has picked up | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
lines from the laid paper that it was drawn on. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
You can actually see them, very faintly along here | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
and if we lift it up to the light again, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
you can see that those lines do not correspond | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
with the laid paper lines of this paper. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
-Do you see? -Yes, very clearly. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
So we need to catch that line there, which is actually | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
the line of the drawing, and then compare it to this line here, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
which is the line of the paper, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
and the same here, and the same here. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
I'm afraid it's a clincher, it's a print. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
-Ah. -There's no way round that. -Oh. -I'm really, really sorry. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
It would have been too amazing for it to have been anything else. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
-We never thought that it was anything else. -No, we didn't. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
But it's great to have asked the question. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
As a decorative object in that frame, it's absolutely lovely. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
-And its provenance is special to us. -Its provenance is very good, erm... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
A couple of hundred pounds is the most I could really put on it. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
-Thank you so much. -Thank you. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
"This sword was given to my grandfather, Thomas Atkins, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
"timber merchant of Northampton Wharf, Regents Park, North West, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
"by a manservant of Lord Nelson's, who was friendly with my grandfather | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
"and he gave it for some services in connection of wood | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
"supplied for the funeral of Lord Nelson," | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
-and it's signed, Rosa J Atkins. -That's great, isn't it? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Erm, my grandfather... His mother used to clean for a Miss Atkins | 0:10:38 | 0:10:44 | |
and she took a liking to him and decided, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
because she had no children, she would pass the sword on | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
to my grandfather, so it's been in our family for three generations. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Right, as it refers to wood in connection with the funeral | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
of Lord Nelson, it might be just the coffin that Nelson | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
was transferred into at the time, who knows? | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
-Yes. -It's one of those things lost to history. -Yes, yes. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
And when one takes the sword out of its scabbard, look at that... | 0:11:10 | 0:11:16 | |
A mercuric gilded blade. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
Now this of course is illegal today, you mustn't do any mercuric gilding, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
so many young apprentices were killed | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
through the fumes getting into their lungs when the blades | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
were taken out of the vats that they made it illegal. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
There were more fatalities in the cutlery trade than any other trade | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
-in London at the time. -Gosh. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
But to, to see this in this condition, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
it is truly, truly wonderful. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
It's a sword that would be carried by a naval officer, of course, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
and the date of manufacture would be around about 1800. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
A very well-known London maker, and of course the grips are ivory. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:58 | |
-Right. -I notice that they've got the Hanoverian coat of arms | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
on the blade. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
-Would it have been a dress sword? -No, no, it's a fighting sword. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
A lot of people think that because the blades are blued and gilt, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
they are purely for show. They're not. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
-Right. -This is a fighting sword. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
I would value this sword at somewhere between 6 and £8,000. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Crumbs! | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
Well, we're seeing two family miniatures here | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
in the lovely autumn sunlight, tell me all about them. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Well, the first one there that you've got | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
is a miniature portrait of Lord Robert Carr, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
who was the second son of the 3rd Marquis, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
and he was killed at the Battle of Culloden, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
so this is a memorial bracelet really, but the Carrs in fact sided | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
with the Hanoverians, which was... | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
from the Scottish point of view, was rather, not so good, really. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
-No. -And defeated Bonnie Prince Charlie in 1746. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Extraordinary, isn't it? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
People remember it as one of the bloodiest confrontations | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
in the United Kingdom. It was hideous, wasn't it? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
A horrendous slaughter. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
I mean, he was one of the few Hanoverians who actually | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
-was killed by the Highlanders. -And the Duke of Cumberland | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
was Commander in Chief and had the curious accolade | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
of Butcher Cumberland due the way he pursued and murdered the Scots. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
He pursued the Scots and this man's brother and father pursued... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
Went with Cumberland and did the dirty work, as it were. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
My goodness. What a terrifying story. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
The funny thing is that it certainly is an 18th-century miniature, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
but the bracelet is 19th century. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
-Oh, is it? -And what's interesting is that it's been cut down | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
to be accommodated into this bracelet, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
his head is too far up in the, sort of, composition. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
This is... I think it was owned by my ancestor, his great-nephew, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:54 | |
Lord Mark Carr, who was a sailor, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
and he was very strongly establishment. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
Yes, I see, strong establishment. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
And he would... He liked the association | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
with the fact that he'd been killed at Culloden | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
and he was showing his loyalty to the Crown. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
My goodness! That's certainly evident from that. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-And that would have been worn by his wife. -Yes. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
I suppose there was a great antiquarian interest | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
in one's ancestors, and that's probably how that happened, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
because the bracelet, in my view, is about 1840 | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
-and certainly not an 18th-century one. -Right. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
And it's very interesting, but your family goes on with yet more | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
fascinating connections in the form of this one. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
-Tell me, tell me about that. -That was given to my great-grandmother, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
and she had been Queen Victoria's | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
lady of the bedchamber and lady-in-waiting. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
And, and clearly it is a memento of great affection, isn't it? | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
And it says just that, it says, "For Countess Antrim, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
"from her affectionate Victoria RI..." - | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Queen and Empress it means - | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
"..1891," and it's 30 years after Albert's death, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
she was 30 years a widow, wasn't she? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
-Yes. -Well, 40 years a widow, but this was her 30th year, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
and it's interesting that she chooses opals | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
as Prince Albert's favourite stone was the opal, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
he was fascinated in the refracted light that it makes, and, um, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
by this time she was Empress of India | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
and presided over two thirds of the world's surface | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
and three quarters of its population, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
so if you had a bracelet from her, it was rather a good thing to have. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
-Yes. -I bet there was a very deep curtsey | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
-when she received that, don't you think? -I should think so, yes! | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-Marvellous. -One of the things that she did was - | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
my great-grandmother - she used to... | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
She was quite a tall woman, and she used... | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
when Queen Victoria went into Hyde Park, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
-she used to run alongside the carriage. -My goodness... | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
A sort of marathon lady-in-waiting! | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
Sort of, jogging! | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
That's how she stayed thin, there's evidence she was thin | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
-because she's got a tiny wrist. -Yes, yes. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
Aren't they marvellous? That's what jewellery is all about really, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
and family connections. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
This one here is of great historical interest, maybe 6, £700 for that. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
I think something quite different for this, this has enormous appeal, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
it has to be 4, £5,000, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
and in a way that's only a fraction of what it means to you and I, so... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
-Absolutely, yes, one doesn't think of value in... -No, not at all. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
-..these sort of objects. -No, one doesn't, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
and I'm thrilled with them, thanks so much, brilliant. Wonderful. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Lady Bowman, you've a fascinating story to tell about your time | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
in the run-up to the Second World War and during the war. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
You started off as a debutante in the run-up to the war, didn't you? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
In fact, we've got a picture of you here. Tell me about this. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Well, yes, well, I had... | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
-By the way, do call me Christian. -Christian, I will, thank you. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
We had a lovely time, we had a wonderful summer, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
which was nothing but, sort of, dances and champagne and music, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
and, oh, it was gorgeous, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
and just like that, down came the war, and literally, within... | 0:16:54 | 0:17:00 | |
oh, just over weeks, I was in an absolutely horrible factory. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
How did that come about? Because you decided | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
that the life of a debutante was not for you, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
and you wanted to go to work in a factory | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
making rivets for Halifax bombers. Why did you decide to do that? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
All the chaps in my family were in the Army, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
and one of my brothers was at home on leave and I said, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
"What shall I do?" And he said, with a certain wisdom | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
beyond his years, he said, "This war is going to need aeroplanes, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
"why don't you see if you can get a job in an aeroplane factory?" | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
And then we both looked at each other. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
I didn't know how to do it, so he looked | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
in the London telephone directory, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
and the first entry he came to which he knew the name of, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
was the name of the... Handley Page, they were called, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
who made these bombers. And so I rang up | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
and asked to speak to the staff manager, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
who was a bit surprised, but anyway, within a week I had a job there. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
And your job was doing what? | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
Well, this is three little bits of metal, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
and they came to me in little, sort of, jagged shapes, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
just stamped out, and I had to bend them | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
into the right shape and drill them with these little holes, the reason | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
I have this one is that I made that hole crooked, so it wasn't any good. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
Of course, because it would have to be absolutely precise. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
-They did. -I can see, it's gone in at an angle there. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
I don't know what you call them, but they went into | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
the leading edge of Halifax bombers all along there. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
Have you met any of the people | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
who flew the planes for which you made these? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
-Oh, yes. -These key, small-but-essential bits of metal. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
After the Times published my letter saying, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
"Please, I want to meet somebody who flew Halifaxes," | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
one came through the letterbox eventually | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
from a squadron leader saying would I go and join them | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
at their reunion, and I was absolutely thrilled, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
and so I went and they were absolutely so nice to me, | 0:18:55 | 0:19:01 | |
and every single one of these people are heroes, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
they are all brave, brave men who flew these planes | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
night after night after night. Some of them had done over 50 sorties, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
being shot at and, you know... | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I'm looking, this is someone from the Royal Canadian Air Force there. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
Yes, there were all sorts of nationalities, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
including Swedish, rather strangely. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
DFC here, so recognised, yes, with a medal. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
And I'm just so glad that there's still this... | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
Some, sadly, are not, of course... | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
But they're here and they're having a good time, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
-I hope. We certainly did. -We certainly had a good time | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
hearing your story, thank you so much. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
It's a tiny cupboard, look, I can put my hand on it like that, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
as you can, but small though it is, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
it is absolutely stuffed full of something | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
that, in a way, we'll never see, it won't fall out - | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
it's social history. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
So let's show there... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
-and it's clearly a 20th-century key cupboard. -Yes. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
And you fell in love with it. Why? What was the thing? | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
Nothing to do with keys. I found this in a antique shop in West London. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
I walked into the shop, it was on the wall, the door was closed, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
-I opened the door and realised what it was. -Yeah. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
And one of the first key fobs I read | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
is down here which is, "Miss Naomi McGore's jewel case," | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
and I just was enchanted. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
Did you know of the family when you bought it? | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Not at all. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
-Right, and how did you track it down? -Um, well some of the keys | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
-had the name McGore on them. -Right. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
-And really I wanted to find where the key case came from. -Yes. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-Because obviously it belongs to a house. -Sure. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
And I went on the internet and I did some research | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
and I actually found out that the McGores | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
-lived in Horsham in West Sussex. -And the house? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
-It is called Forest Grange. -And does it still exist? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-It does. -That's remarkable, isn't it? Let's look at the object itself. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
Here we have the wireless cabinet, two wireless cabinets, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
so they were obviously very advanced, technically. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
They had Daimlers, they even mention the make of car, erm, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
and so on, then they had a cricket pitch as well, didn't they? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
-Where did I see the cricket pitch? -Up there. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
There it is, and in the pavilion they had a dining room | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
with its own lock, so they were obviously very wealthy. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
If we look here, we see this colour-coded chart. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
-Now Bramah keys were actually very advanced in their time. -Right. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
They were invented in the late-18th century, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
-although this is obviously much later. -Right. -And so you could... | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
With one key, you could open every single lock in the house. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
-Here's the master key. -Oh, right. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
And so other persons, their key would only open certain locks | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
relevant to their job in the house. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
-Oh, right, right. -And so we can look down here, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
and here we have Mr McGore, the owner of the house, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
and his key, number one... | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
It fits everything all the way down. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
Should he want to, he could go into everything, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
and the gardener here, with key number three, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
and he can open far fewer locks, look, absolutely blank, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
and I suspect we won't get any colour | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
-until we get to outside things. -Yes. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
And here we have it, all laid out in front of us, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
there's the occupations, there's the keys that they had access, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
there's the cupboards, the rooms, the stores that they had access to, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
and the tragedy is, of course, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
the tragedy is that, you know, not long after this was made, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
so many of the male staff of this house were killed. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
They would have joined up, and they would have | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
gone to the trenches, and how many of them came back? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
In a way this is, this is sort of evocative | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
of the last throes of the Edwardian, grand country house... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
-Absolutely. -..that simply wasn't going to reappear after the war. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
-You loved it. -Absolutely, yes. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
-And you paid...? -£300. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
-How long ago? -Ten years ago. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
That, to me, is an indication of how much you loved it. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
-I did, I fell in love with it. -But I think it's... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
It's gone up a little bit, but in real terms, not a great deal. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
-Let's say £500 in round figures. -Oh, right, that surprises me. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
I wouldn't matter if it hadn't increased a penny, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
-cos... -Well, I think it slightly has. -It's not the money, like you say. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
Now, it's the era before the movies, it's before the television, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
it's before everything that we take as entertainment today, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
and yet there were interesting moving images around, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
-this being one of them. -Right, yes. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
-And it was down to a device called a magic lantern. -That's right. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
And these are some of the slides that went with the magic lantern. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
Now, tell me a little bit about what we have here. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
I noticed on this particular slide, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
there were some initials, here we go, WMS. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
That's my grandfather's name, William Martin Smith. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
And what was his profession? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
He was a public wharfinger. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Nobody knows what a public wharfinger is. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
Is it something that you get locked up for, or...(?) | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
It's public warehouse keeping, but on the banks of the River Thames, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
he had one of those big warehouses the barges came up to. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
So that was his day job, but in the evening he was... | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
-Was he something else? -Yes, he was closely involved with the church, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
so this was part of the entertainment and education of the children. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
There were dozens of companies producing magic lanterns, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
the devices themselves. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
-Yes. -And, of course, then the slides to go with them. -Yes. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Now the slides came in various types, didn't they? | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
I mean, I've perhaps picked one of the more interesting ones, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
but some of the, the less exciting perhaps, more prosaic, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
are ones that don't move. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Things like this which are panoramas of different things going on, | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
it looks like all sorts of high jinks. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Sort of Guy Fawkes night. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
It certainly looks as if there's some sort of party going on there. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
Yes, there's another one that shows Queen Victoria's | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
procession to the House Of Lords. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Ah, and there she is, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
The Queen Going To The House Of Lords, fabulous. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Yes, all hand-painted. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
Have you ever seen a magic lantern show itself? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Well, yes, we've got a magic lantern at home | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
-and my father used to show these slides. -Oh, fantastic. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Well, now, this one, I rather like. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
Showing the curvature of the Earth. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
Showing the curvature of the Earth, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
this is a lever-operated slide | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
where there's a man standing on the top of the world there, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
just as we feel today, on top of the world, don't we? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
So there they are on top of the world, and you can see the ship | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
disappearing over the horizon line | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
and then if I switch the lever | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
back the other way, up it comes, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
first of all you see the masts, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
a bit more of the masts, the sails, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
and then you see the whole ship | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
as it comes up over the surface of the Earth. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
Fabulous object. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
The most valuable individual slide... | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
-Yes. -..is going to be the chromatrope slide, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
and this particular one is going to be worth | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
-about £150, which is good news. -Ooh! Yes... | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
So, if we're adding it all together, I would have thought | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
we're getting on for perhaps between 800 and £1,000 on a good day. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:40 | |
-I'm very pleased I came! -I'm delighted, and let's just finish, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
we'll send everybody into psychedelia land | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
by finishing on this one, off you go. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
# Oh, it's such a perfect day | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
# I'm glad I spent it with you | 0:26:56 | 0:27:02 | |
# Oh, such a perfect day | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
# You just keep me hangin' on | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
# You just keep me hangin' on... # | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
I use it to keep all my bills and my envelopes and my writing stuff | 0:27:17 | 0:27:23 | |
down here, and actually I've just found something at the back | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
that I didn't know was there, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
and above I use it as a china display cabinet. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
It seems to me that that's what it was made for, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
-a display cabinet. It's a very feminine piece of furniture. -It is. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
It's absolutely tremendous, it's got slightly odd proportions. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
It's a very tall piece of furniture, the cornice in particular | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
is a bit on the narrow side, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
but the eye is taken by the painting across the frieze which is lovely. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Then you've got these Corinthian capitals which stick out | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
very prominently on top of the reeded columns | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
which come down the side in a very architectural way, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
which lead the eye down past all the wonderful ceramics, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
or whatever one's got in there, to this extraordinary... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
it should be a cylinder top, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
but it's kind of flattened cylinder top, it's kind of a mixture | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
between a cylinder and a secretaire, a flat-fronted secretaire, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
or a fall-front secretaire. And then on down | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
into what becomes a pedestal desk, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
so you've got storage, the sort of business end and the display end, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
but this must have been made for a woman, do you think? | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Yes, I was thinking maybe Lady Hamilton or something like that. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
Well, absolutely, and original to the early-19th century, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
-I think exactly the period you were saying, of Lady Hamilton. -Yes. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
And so let's have a quick look inside, and I think | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
you might need to help me. Oh, it goes back very easily. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
So there we've got drawers, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
pigeon holes, as you'd expect and it might look a little bit low, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
but in fact this slides out so you can get your knees underneath it. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Here, a little reading slide, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
so everything for the, the blue stocking, in a way. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
So I think it's... | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
an absolutely splendid piece, so where could it have been made? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
Ireland perhaps, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:17 | |
erm... Or one of the centres out of London. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
York was a great centre, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Bristol even was a great centre of furniture making, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
-but I don't think you're ever going to know for sure. -Really? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Now, is this a family piece, or how did you come to get...? | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Well, my grandmother acquired it during the Second World War | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
from an antique dealer in Andover, and she got a lot of stuff from him, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:42 | |
and I think she got it at very reasonable prices. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
I think now you'd be looking at | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
about £5,000 if you were to try and sell it. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
Yes. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
So, it's such a decorative piece. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
Well, I...I really love it. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
-So useful. -And Lady Hamilton stays in the mind! | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
-Why did you bring me a toast rack? -I don't know. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
I was thinking, "What'll I take?" And it was there and I thought, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
"I'll take it," never dreaming that you'd think enough of it to show it. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
I think it's wonderful, what do you think it is? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
Well, at first, when I first saw it in a charity shop on a shelf, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
I thought it was 1970s, because in the '70s or '80s, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
-we had a sort of revival of this brown, didn't we? -Yeah, we did. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
Then when I reached and put it down, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
I thought, no, it is different, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
it reminded me of like the Doulton Harvest jugs. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
So I looked for a Doulton mark, but there isn't one, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
so I was disappointed, but it was £6. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
You're halfway there, you said Doulton, it's not Doulton, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
but it is salt-glazed stoneware. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
-Ah, so... Ahh...! -So, where else was salt-glazed stoneware made? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
It was made in Derby, it was made in Bristol, it was made in Nottingham. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
I'm going to go for Nottingham. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
-Mm. -That sort of soft colour that you get in the Nottingham ones. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
Doulton is often much darker, but it's the same material. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
I think this is about 1840s, 1850s. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
-Wow. -And it's so rare, because I've discussed it | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
with one or two of my colleagues, none of us have ever seen | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
a salt-glazed stoneware toast rack. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
The decoration is Rococo Revival, which was at that period, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
but all these things are wonky. You know, and I can see them | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
thinking, "Let's make toast racks." They had a go and they thought, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
"Oh, not very good, it doesn't work very well, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
"Give up, don't bother with toast racks." Go on making the jars | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
and the pots they're good at, so I think there were very few | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
salt-glazed stoneware toast racks. And it is immaculate. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
-Untouched. -I know, I couldn't believe it myself. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
So, £6 in a charity shop. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
Hmm... | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
Well, I think this is a... | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
a very expensive toast rack, I think we're going to say... | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
£250. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
Wow! SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
-Yes, a lot of money. -It is, for a toast rack, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
but it's not a lot for a very, very rare salt-glazed stoneware one. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
-Fantastic. -Great object. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
This is a spectacular group | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
of late-18th, early-19th century miniatures, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
all pastels, and they're absolutely wonderful, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
especially with these frames and these lovely swags here. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
Now, are they your family? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
They're my mother's family, who lived at the Manor House in Frenchay, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
-the Tanner family. -Yes. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
And they've just always been passed down to my mother, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
her mother and down the family. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
-And do you know all the names of the sitters on here? -No. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
This one on the right, here, the elder lady, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
I think I'd be rather worried if she was my mother-in-law, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
-she's terrifying! -I quite agree, yes. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
The ones down here which are absolutely charming, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
beautifully observed pastels, look at that. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Um, we come to the name of the artist | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
-and I see, on the back of one, it's got James Sharples. -Yes. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
Which is very interesting, because in the late-18th century | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
and early-19th century, if you wanted to be painted, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
you'd go, you know, to a really good portrait painter, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
and, of course, portrait painters went where the money was. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
-Right. -Now he was an interesting man, born in Lancashire, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
and was supposed to be a pupil of Romney's, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
but came down to work in Bath, and he also | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
worked in New York and Philadelphia, which is really interesting | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
-for a pastel portrait painter. -Yes, at that time, yeah. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
Yeah, and I would think, you know, these would have been... | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
I'd have thought that these would have been painted | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
in the Bath area. He came down to Bath in the early 1800s, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
and these look to have been painted sort of 1800-1805, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-that sort of date. Would that tie in with what you know? -Yes. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
And on the back of one of them, from... | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
My grandfather wrote notes on the back, and he's around, circa 1800. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
So is this how you hang them at home? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Um, no, there are some swags that join them all together, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
I've got a picture here. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
God, they're wonderful! | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
It's like something off a Wedgwood pattern, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
-all those swags there? -Definitely, yes. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
And what adds value to these, which I think is so interesting, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
is that James Staples worked in America and in England. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:19 | |
-Yes, yes. -And because he worked in America and England, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
er, it would add value because of the American connection. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
-Yes. Oh, right, yes. -So we then come to putting a value on them, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
and I think, as I said, if he'd been a normal English artist, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
I would have said 4 to 6, 5 to £700. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
-I think this is worth certainly £1,000 to £1,500... -Right. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
I think this one's worth 1,000 to 1,500, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
-even though she's quite fearsome, it's beautifully done. -Right, yeah. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
-These are worth 1,000. I think some of the lesser ones like this... -Yes. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
..which are slightly rubbed, because pastel can be rubbed quite easily... | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
-Yeah. -..are worth, probably, sort of | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
6 to £800, so it mounts up, you know, you've got one, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
-two, three, four, you've got about £6,000-worth there. -Well, thank you. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
-OK. -Thank you very much. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
"Am I not a man... | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
"and a brother?" | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
And there's the figure of a kneeling slave... | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
"British and Foreign Anti-Slavery Society." | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
-What an interesting object. -Very interesting? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-How did it come to you? -Erm, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
in 1960 my mother bought a table from a friend of a friend | 0:35:27 | 0:35:33 | |
who was moving into an old people's home, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
and she paid £5 for the table, which was a Victorian card table, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
beautiful table, she's still got it. That was in the drawer. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
-So it was... -A complete surprise that it was there. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
-Yeah. -And it's basically been in a drawer | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
for the last 50 years. That's carnelian I believe. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
Yeah, carnelian just like my ring, which is also a cameo. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Hm, and I presume that's silver. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
-I think that is. -Or maybe pewter. -I think it's steel. -Steel, right. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
This is a seal, and you would need something | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
really, really strong, so lignum vitae | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
or maybe rosewood with a steel cuff and then this lovely carnelian... | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
It's a beautiful thing, and let's see whether it works. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:20 | |
Now, I'm going to push really hard, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
and let's keep our fingers crossed | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
that it doesn't hang on. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
Well, it's better than nothing, isn't it? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
Actually, it shows you just how finely carved that is. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
Imagine carving... | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
Thinking backwards to carve that relief and getting all the muscles | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
and the detail, the perspective of the figure is some tribute. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
Now, this is an image I recognise from my ceramics background. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
In 1787, Josiah Wedgwood, who was a prominent member | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
-of the Anti-Slavery Society... -Right. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
..commissioned one of his artists, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
we think it was William Hackwood, a very talented carver of cameos, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:09 | |
to create a special medallion which shows a kneeling slave... | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
-And that's the same? -..with... | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
More or less in this position, he's actually shown in profile... | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
-Right. -..in the original cameo. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
A year later, we know that Josiah Wedgwood | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
sent over to Benjamin Franklin a whole consignment | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
of these anti-slavery medallions. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
-Ah. -And because it was such a popular cause | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
amongst many people in the States, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
these medallions were worn as badges... | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
-Well, rather like, you know, modern political badge. -Yes. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
But as we know, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
they didn't succeed in getting slavery abolished until, what, 1833? | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
-Yes. -Which is a whole 50-something years later. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Yes, I sort of guessed it was prior to 1830. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:56 | |
Now, this would have belonged... | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
It would be nice to know who owned that piece of furniture... | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
This would have been a very, very prominent member I think, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
of the Anti-Slavery Society. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
This is an incredibly poignant piece of social history, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
and for that reason it's going to be worth | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
a lot more than your average cameo. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
I'm going to say it's worth somewhere in the region of... | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Well, let's say, £1,500 to £2,000. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
Really? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
Better than a wad of notes, though, isn't it? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
Certainly is, and... | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
Well, the value is meaningless really because it'll go back in the drawer. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
What we've got here... | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
unusually, is face-down, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
and it's a mirror... | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
and what I want to know is... | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
weren't you dying to get it out of its box | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
and see what was going on at the back? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
-I mean, how long had you had it in the family for? -All my life. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
-You've known it all your life. -And my father's as well. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
So it's been in the family for a long time. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
-A long time, and it's been in this case. -So, very carefully, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
with my colleagues, we've taken off the wooden back | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
and first of all, we've come across some brown paper | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
with the name "Roberts". Does that mean anything to you? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
-Yes. -Roberts of Rotherham. -That's right. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
-That's it, and that, that's your maiden name. -My maiden name. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-Mother's name. -So that shows it. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
-Never seen that before. -OK, Mr Roberts of Warren House, Rotherham | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
-was your father? -That's right. -So let's just take this away. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Yes. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
I'll put the paper over here. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Oh, my goodness me. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
Look at that! Is that green baize? Gosh. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
-How fabulous is that? -Wow! | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
-Look at this original colour to this lovely, lovely... -That's amazing. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
That's absolutely astonishing. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
-Italian best-quality velvet. -Is it? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
So this is the back of the mirror, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
but what's really interesting is... | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
-Do you see how you've got this line where the colour is different? -Yes. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
-Yes, oh, I know what... Yes. -And so this was the support | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
-for the mirror. And it was... -It's a stand, isn't it? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
-Must have been free-standing. -It's been on a wall for so many years. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
It was never meant to be hung, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
it was for... It's a lady's toilet mirror. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
-Is it? -Yes. -Oh, my goodness me! | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
-Well, let's look at the front and see what we can see there. -Right. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
-I need your help. -Righto. -So if we just lift... | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
Incredibly heavy! Oh, the dust of ages in here! | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Now if we just tip the frame back, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
look, out it comes... Wow, what a moment... | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
-Now, if I support it, perhaps you could just... -Yeah, OK. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
That's great, thank you, marvellous. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
-That's lovely. -And we'll just put it on the easel. -Righto. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
So, here's your mirror. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
-Wow! -What a magnificent thing. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
-Yes. -What we have here is a toilet mirror, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
dating from about...1660. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
-Oh, it's earlier? -Yes, yes. -Sewn... | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
by...let us imagine a young lady of noble birth... | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
This is a grand piece. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
A supporter... | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
of the crown...the monarch, because we have the King and the Queen... | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
This is what we call stump work. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
-Yes. -And the stump work are the parts where the embroidery is raised up, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:36 | |
and it is done by stuffing sheep's wool | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
underneath the embroidery to raise it up off its background. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
So if we start down here, what you have is a silk ground | 0:41:45 | 0:41:51 | |
with the outlines drawn out, and then the embroiderer | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
would have just started with the background, rather as you do | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
when you're painting a picture, and then... | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
you do the more complicated bits, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
the stump work face here, the stitching forms a little pocket, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
you pull the tiny stitches in, it makes it a pouch, | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
you stuff the face, and then she has the three-dimensional effect. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
Now, what do you think these leaves are? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
-We guessed at silver or gold? -Gold leaf that's gone black, is it? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Absolutely right, it's silver thread which has tarnished to the black. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:30 | |
-Yes. -So can you imagine... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
when this was freshly sewn, the vibrancy? | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
-Must have been absolutely terrific. -Yes. -The silver, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
the lovely silk at the back, here's more of the velvet along the front, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
and what about the tortoise-shell frame? | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
-It's magnificent, isn't it? -It is. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Tortoise-shell was introduced into England in the mid-17th century | 0:42:50 | 0:42:55 | |
through Holland, from the Dutch colonies. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
Tortoise-shell was a very rare and very expensive item, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:03 | |
and what they've done here, which you can see | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
through the tortoise-shell here is, the ground of the frame is covered | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
in foil, silver foil, and then the tortoise-shell is set over the foil, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
so in the candlelight, this would have all scintillated and sparkled. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
It's a sign of immensely expensive, good-quality piece of workmanship. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:26 | |
Well, where on earth does one start to put a price on it? | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
And I think that... | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
collectors - in spite of its condition - | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
would be prepared to pay somewhere between £5,000 and £7,000 for it. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
That's absolutely stunning. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
It was worth coming back to Wells for a second helping. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
Glorious objects, and the weather wasn't bad either. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Thanks to the Bishop for letting us camp out in his wonderful gardens. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
From the Roadshow, bye-bye. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 |