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We like each Roadshow to be a voyage of discovery | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
and this week we've come to a place which has close ties | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
to some epic journeys of exploration. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Welcome to Dundee. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Here's an interesting little fact. Did you know, at one time, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
there were more millionaires in Dundee | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
than any other part of Britain? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
It's all down to this - jute, harvested from a plant in India. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Now, it may not look like much | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
but it was one of the most familiar products of the 19th century. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
This is how it came out of the plant in its natural form, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
and it then went through a variety of processes | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
to be used in all sorts of things like string, rope, cloth, sailcloth, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
flooring, clothes and it was all made here in Dundee. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Some 50,000 people worked in the industry. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
Not surprisingly, it made some individuals very wealthy, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
including jute baron Sir James Caird. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Caird, like everyone in Dundee, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
watched the exciting launch of this ship, the Discovery, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
on its maiden voyage in 1901 to Antarctica. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Below deck, it's easy to imagine life on board. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Basic with few home comforts. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
This is the captain's cabin. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Robert Falcon Scott was appointed expedition leader. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Scott of the Antarctic, of course, and he was immensely courageous. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:22 | |
It's incredible to think that on its maiden journey, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
this ship was stuck in the ice for three years before it was rescued. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:30 | |
Sir James Caird was so impressed | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
by the bravery of the men on the Discovery | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
that he later helped fund Shackleton's epic journey | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
on the Endurance to the Antarctic via the South Pole. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
As we know, it became one of the most incredible adventure stories | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
of all time, when the expedition became stranded on the ice. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
Just when things looked hopeless, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Shackleton launched a heroic mission to get help on a lifeboat. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
That lifeboat was named after Sir James Caird | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
and it saved their lives. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
Sir James Caird left many legacies here in Dundee. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
He funded the construction of this magnificent hall, Caird Hall, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
which is the venue for our journey | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
into the uncharted waters of today's Roadshow. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Here we are, Edinburgh Castle Peep Show. Absolutely splendid. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
In three languages - the chateau of Edinburgh, in French, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
Das Schloss, in German, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
and the castle of Edinburgh. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
So, it was designed for tourists, really. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
Now, I'm going to ask you to help me open this | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
because it's a lovely peep show. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
Let me... I've got it open. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
You hang on to the bottom. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
And, if we go through it, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
we can see the whole streets of Edinburgh, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
and it's vibrant in its colour. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
And I can see somebody in what looks like a kilt at the end, there. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Is that right? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
Yes. Yes, that'll be in the Grassmarket in Edinburgh. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
I was there the other day, and I have to say, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
I don't recognise this building here on the left. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
I don't recognise that | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
-but the others are completely clear. That's the back of the castle. -Yes. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
That's Castle Terrace here and the old High Street goes down from here. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
-Yes. -Towards Holyrood. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
-The Royal Mile. -The Royal Mile. -The Royal Mile. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
So, tell me, where did you buy this wonderful thing 40 years ago? | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
I got it in...more of a junk shop than an antique shop, in Perth. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
-Yes. -And when I came across this, I just couldn't resist it. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
Well, I couldn't resist it either. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
I mean, apart from the box being rather tatty, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
the inside is as bright and as vibrant as ever - | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
that's because it's been kept out of the dust | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
and it's been handled with care. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Nowadays, something like that, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
you'd be paying somewhere in the region of £600 or £700. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
-Really? -Yes, absolutely. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
I didn't expect that! | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
-So, there you are, you've done rather well. -Thank you very much. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Thank you for bringing it in. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:57 | |
So, what is a nice lady like you | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
doing with an extraordinary carriage clock like this? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
Well, it was part of a collection my father had. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
All his pieces were not naughty pieces like this, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
but it just happened to be the nicest one | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
I liked to look at and play with when I was young. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
Later on, I was able to take only one piece | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
from our house with me | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
because things were getting very dangerous in Germany where I grew up, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:31 | |
close to the end of the war, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
and my parents by this time were no longer with me | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
and I just grabbed this and fled. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
How extraordinary! And were the Russians advancing at this time? | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
-Yes, yes. -Were they really? -Very close, yes. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
How did you manage to get out? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
Well, we just stood by the end of the road and hoped for a lift, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
which I got eventually from a German military bus. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
And this being a small little carriage clock... | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
-Yes, I had it in my coat pocket. -Yes, fantastic. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
-Yes. -And do you remember it in your childhood? -Yes. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
As far as I remember it never went, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
I mean it was never looked upon to get your time, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
it was just a piece, an ornament, you know. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
-It has the most extraordinary enamel panels. -Yes. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Yes, my father must have fancied the panels. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Yes, it's got a little bit of a male... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
My daughters, they tell me now that when they were little, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
they used to look at it and giggled and thought, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
"We'd better not let Mum know | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
"we're looking at these naked ladies," you see. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
I think that's terrific. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
-Well, it's a very pretty little Swiss carriage clock. -Yes. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
With silver gilt construction of case, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
-made around 1915, 1920, that sort of period. -Yes, yes. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
And of course the great feature about it | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
are these lovely enamel panels with the semi-naked women. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
-They're not erotic, they're very lovely. -Yes. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
So, as I said, Swiss made. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
-Yes. -With a nice white enamel dial and a silver gilt case, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
-but most of the gilding has come off the silver. -Yes. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-Obviously too much polishing. -Yes. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Well, it's still a highly desirable clock, in this sort of condition, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
-a little bit less than normal. -Yes. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
But still every collector in the market | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
-should pay between £1,500 and £2,000. -Really, really? | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
-Oh, I am surprised. -That was worth pinching off the shelf | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
-before you ran for it! -Yes! -Thank you for bringing it in. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
-It's fantastic. -It's been a pleasure, thank you. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
When I initially looked at this, I thought, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
"Another writing desk," and they come in quite regularly, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
but this is something really special, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
because not only is it a writing desk, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
it's the world's first copying machine. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
-Is it yours? Is it something you bought? -It's a colleague of mine, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
he has a special interest in writing slopes - we're both journalists. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
So let's have a look at it, let's have a look, so we open this, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
and a standard writing slope. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
What's in here? | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
-Oh, couple of candlesticks. -These... That's right, go on there. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
Like so... | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
And then, like every writing slope, it has some secret drawers... | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
..and in here we have... | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
a brush... | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
-..and a handle. -We need that. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
You need that. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Thank you. This goes in here, like so. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
Just wind there... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
There we go. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
So what we have here is something that was invented by a Scotsman. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
That's right, Sir James Watt. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
James Watt, you know all about him. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Um, and then when he was working | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
between his Birmingham factory and the mines down in Cornwall, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:43 | |
he was travelling backwards and forwards a lot, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
and he obviously needed his documents copied, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
so the only way to do that would be to sit here writing the letter | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
and then write a copy, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
send the letter off and keep the copy for his files. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
-Very time consuming. -Very time consuming. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Being a great engineer, he thought, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
"I want to find something simple that works, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
"then I can actually copy my letters | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
"without having to hand-write them again", | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
so he developed this, and it was patented back in 1780, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
and this came into production about 1790. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
So it's well over 200 years old, and how it works is, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
although I haven't got a letter, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
I have got a great Antiques Roadshow brochure here. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
You would have written your letter in a special ink, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
and then you would have wetted... wetted the tissue, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
and I think we've got some tissue somewhere, probably at this side. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
There we are, there's some... Ooh, there's some letters here as well. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
The drying book. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
You would have wetted the tissue | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
and then you would have put the letter and the tissue together, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
put it on here, and then you would have wound the handle. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Hopefully it would go in, and inside here | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
there are two rolling plates, and you pressed the two together | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
and you would get an offset of the actual letter | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
you had written in the first place. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
-Mm-hm. -You turn that around, and then you get a fair copy, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
-so you could actually read it. A fabulous invention. -Ingenious. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Absolutely ingenious, simple, but it worked and, you know, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
this was invented way before, obviously, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
photocopying or even the typewriter, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
so it's an extremely ingenious | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
and beautifully constructed bit of engineering, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
-and it's also a piece of furniture. -Absolutely, yeah. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
It's extraordinary that in my whole career, which is, I hate to say it, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
but it's coming up to 30 years, I've only seen three examples, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
one of which I actually handled, and we saw one at Ascot, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
slightly different design, earlier in the series, so like all things, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
you never see one and then two come along together. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
-Yeah. -But, extraordinarily rare. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
I think in the first year, they only made 150. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
The last one to sell at auction sold for £26,000. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:57 | |
-British sterling? -British sterling, yeah, not guineas, £26,000. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
-Oh, right. -The one that came up at auction, I have to say, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
had a great provenance, that it came from the Watt family, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
so that added quite considerably to it | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
but, without a doubt, I would see this at auction | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
at £12,000 to £15,000 and it could easily make more | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
because it's in fabulous condition. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
-Wow, there you go. -Great fun to use. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
It's a fabulous piece, thank you so much for bringing it in. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
Wonderful. Thank you very much. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
This is a little rectangular blue leather box | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
about three inches wide, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
and on the lid we have the letters "MV Clytoneus" | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
that's "merchant vessel". | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
-Yes. -Clytoneus. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
Launched 9th of the 4th, 1948. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
-Clearly not by you, ma'am. -No, certainly not. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
So who did launch this vessel? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Um, it was my great aunt who launched it, um... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Did she talk about it at all? I mean do you know much about it? | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
Well, um, she did mention it once or twice, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
but, I mean, I was only about 11 when she died, so... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
-Oh, I see. -Yes, but she left this to me. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Well, it's quite a small box, quite clearly, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
and therefore it's not going to have a grand, opulent content, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
-but the contents are incredibly pretty, aren't they? -Yes. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
-What we have in the box is a sweet little bow-shaped brooch. -Yes. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:26 | |
-In platinum and diamonds. -Right. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
Now the style of the brooch is interesting, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
because, now - can we just come back, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
-reel this back to the year that this launch took place, 1948? -1948. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Well, may I tell you that there is no way | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
that that brooch was made in 1948. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
-Really? -No. I don't think so, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
I think that the retailer who have put this brooch in the box | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
have bought maybe a second-hand brooch | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and they've put it in their own case | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
and they've put the, you know, little motif... | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
-Embossed the... -On the front. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
The brooch itself is very strongly of a period | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
of around about the First World War. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Now, the diamonds in the frame are what we call pave set, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:16 | |
they're in touching formation, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
but the key to this brooch, which I know it's only very, very little, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:25 | |
but the key to this brooch is that when you look at it | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
with the lens through the side, you notice that engraved | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
on the centre, at the side, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
are the magic words "Cartier Ltd." | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
Now that's a whole new ball game. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
-Yes. -So the value changes dramatically. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
Now, all right, we're not suggesting | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
we've got a large important-size Cartier diamond brooch. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
-No, no. -But I don't know about you - | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
-I think it's incredibly pretty. -It is, yes. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
and wearable... I don't know whether it's something you wear. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Not usually. I wore it at my wedding but I don't think I've worn it since. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
Well, I think that such a brooch, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
if it was sold on the open market, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
-not that it will be, I appreciate that. -No. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
-It would be... -Sentimental value. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
a lot of interest in it, actually because it's so small and so sweet. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
-Yes. -So what are we talking about with prices? | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
The fact it's by Cartier means that if you were selling it, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
it would fetch in the region of a couple of thousand pounds. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
-Right. -Nice piece that she gave you. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
-Yes, yes, beautiful, yes. I love it, thank you. -Thank you. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
It's amazing being up here in Scotland | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
and looking at a watercolour like this, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
because it's like one of the Scottish artists. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
-Yes, the Glasgow School. -The Glasgow School. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
At the bottom here we have a signature | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
and it's by Johann - | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
and an almost unpronounceable middle name, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
which is Zoetelief Tromp. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
He's an artist that was born in Indonesia, so Dutch East Indies, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
and came over and studied in Holland, in the Hague. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Because he was born in the 1870s, this would have been painted | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
probably about 1910, 1920, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
but it's extraordinary to find this picture, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
which is so like the Scottish watercolourists, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
really, of the Glasgow School over here, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
so how did a Dutch painting like this land up here? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Well, according to my uncle it was bought by his father, my grandfather, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
probably in the 1930s. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
It was certainly bought in Dundee but we know no more about it than that. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
I just love the composition. I mean when you look at it, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
it's a little girl on the swing, there, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
-and on the left here is the sister, dying to have a go. -Indeed. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
But she's got to wait her turn. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
-And I think she's rather impatient, looking at it. -Yes. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
But you know, when you look at a picture like this, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
-which is impressionistic... -Yes. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Look at the way that's constructed. it's very broadly painted. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
You stand back to look at it for it all to come together. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
-Indeed. -But it's so cleverly done and I have to put a value on this, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
because this is your heirloom, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
and I think at auction that would make certainly £4,000 to £6,000. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
Heavens, that's a surprise, I didn't think it would be as much as that. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Oh, my uncle will be delighted, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
I can see him buying a high definition television now. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Well, that's rather sad. I think I'd rather have that. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
Now, quite rightly in Dundee, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
we've talked quite a bit about the Discovery, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
you know, and the crucial role it played in Antarctic history, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
but there is more to that story, isn't there? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
-And you're from the Discovery Point Museum. -That's right. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
And I think you want to explore with me, a lesser known aspect of this. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
That's correct, and what I have here, really, is an example | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
of the starting point for Captain Scott's Antarctic career. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
-So what is that? That's a cigarette case. -It's a small cigarette case | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
which was awarded to him in St Kitts | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
in the West Indies in 1887. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
-He won a cutter race, in other words an oared rowing race. -Yes. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
And was awarded this small cigarette case. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
The key point about this cigarette case is it happened at a time | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
when another interesting Antarctic character, Sir Clements Markham, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
-arrived on the scene. -Yes. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
He was invited by the Commandant of the West Indies Squadron | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
-and was in St Kitts at the same time. -So he saw Scott perform. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
He saw Scott perform and recognised in him the qualities that he thought | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
might be useful for a leader of an expedition. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Right, so Markham was a sort of talent scout. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
His job, unofficially, or officially, was to go round, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
look at young cadets, trainee officers, and say "he's going far". | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
That's exactly what they did. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
-So without that... -It wouldn't have happened. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Nothing would have happened, no Discovery. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
-No, no, we wouldn't have Captain Scott. -No story. No, we can go home. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
-Exactly. -So what's the book? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
The book is probably one of our star items in the collection. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
It's Sir Clements Markham's personal photograph album, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
and on the first page, here, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
the ship that took them all to Antarctica, the RRS Discovery, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
which was built at Dundee, is here being launched. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
-This is the launch? -That's the actual launch, 21st March. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
There she is going down the... down the, down the slips. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
So he assembled... what - it's like a scrap book? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
It's a scrap book, exactly that, with all of the photographs | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
that he acquired over the period of the National Antarctic Expedition. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Right, so it covers the ship, what else does it cover? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
It covers also... Just have to open this a little bit more. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
And this is a particularly interesting photograph, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
this is a Who's Who of Antarctic exploration. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
-They're all in it. -They're all in it, you've got Scott in the centre, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
-you've got Edward Wilson, the famous zoologist... -Yes, yes. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
You've got Lieutenant Royds, Armitage and then right behind there | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
in pride of place is Ernest Shackleton. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
-Of course. -Who everybody knows. -Now what's happened here? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
-Ah well, um, William Shackleton, same name, but... -No connection. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
..but no connection, was the physicist, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
the original physicist on the expedition, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
except he did upset quite a few people within the crew | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
and it was decided to take him off the ship. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
-Yes. -And Sir Clements Markham being who he was, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
decided that he no longer fitted in with the expedition. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
-So he just cut him out. -Cut him out. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
-It's like Stalin, isn't it? -Yes. -He doesn't exist. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
Left the body and the legs. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
Thought crime - along those lines, yes! | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
So, that in itself is a wonderful piece of history, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
as you say, that is Antarctic history. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
That is, it's the Who's Who. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
-And what else? -Turn it round again. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
-So what's that? -This is a particularly | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-nice image of... -A lovely shot. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
-the Discovery leaving Lyttelton. -So the beginning of the voyage? -Yes. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
Setting off from New Zealand. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Yeah, after having been in dry dock, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
having been repaired, and off she goes, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
-in a trip, really, which is a trip to the unknown. -Yes. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
-It's like going to the surface of the moon. -Yes. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
Well, all those trips were - the last great frontier. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
-Yes, it was the last great frontier. -I mean, I find these so exciting, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
because I try to put myself in the mind | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
of people at that time, setting off on these voyages, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
knowing they'd be away for years, possibly, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
knowing...no idea about what was going to happen - | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
it's fantastic stuff. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
I think this is a clear case where objects that superficially | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
have no particular significance, are very significant. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
-Yeah. -A cigarette case like that, without that inscription, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
in that condition is £20. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
-Yeah, that's right. -Add that component | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
-and you're dealing with a vastly superior sum - hundreds. -Yeah. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
Because, as you say, without that, there would be no polar expeditions, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
no Discovery, no Scott, no nothing. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
The book is a different issue - | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
it's clearly a good provenance, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
we're looking at thousands of pounds. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-Yeah. -Because this is such a rare association of images, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
material, ephemera, which tells a very personal story | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
from the person who made it all happen. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Yeah, we were very, very excited to get it, obviously. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
-I think so, I would be. Thank you. -You're welcome. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
I bet these have pride of place in your dining room. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Well, they're actually in my mother's dining room, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
on either side of the sideboard. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Right. What do you know about them? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Not very much at all. My grandfather bought them | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
and he was told at the time they came from the Duke of Hamilton's palace. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
Right, right, that's a grand start, isn't it? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
The Duke of Hamilton's palace, well, it was called Hamilton Palace. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
It was sold, the contents were sold in 1882. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
-It's a very famous auction. -Right. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
One of the most famous auctions in the 19th century. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Oh, I didn't know that. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
These candelabra are clearly, to me, what's called Rococo Revival, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
which started in popular taste in about the 1820s, 1830s, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
but for a big, very wealthy noble family like the Hamiltons, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
who were in London buying all the best French things, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
they would be buying French early revival things | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
in the 1810s, 1820s, so, when he got married, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
or almost certainly in 1819 when he became the Duke. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Just to explain very quickly | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
how I can date these - they look like French 1730s or '40s | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
but they're a little bit more clumsy | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
which takes me to England possibly, or France, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
in the 1820-1830 revival period, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
but the most charming thing - have you noticed the dragon? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
No, I can't say I did. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
You haven't had a good look at them, have you, ever really? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
They've just always been there. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Gathering dust on mum's shelf, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
there we go, but there's a lovely - you can see the tail | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
-here and it works all the way up into the dragon's mouth. -Right. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
-Do you know what they're made of? -No. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
I don't. Honestly, I don't know anything about them. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Are they gold? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
I don't think so, but I don't know. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Well, they're gold plated, if you like - they're what we call ormolu, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
which is actually brass or bronze which has had a coat of gold paste | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
put on with mercury and then it's fired and it just burns | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
itself onto the brass underneath. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
They're fantastic things, I mean they're just great. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
I think you're going to have to pay at auction | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
-a minimum of £2,000 to £3,000. -Really? | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
And I think if you could ever prove the provenance, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
ie the history of them, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
I think you should double it. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
Very good. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
I usually talk about military items, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
war items, but you've brought along a few items today that are anti-war. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
-I have indeed. -Tell me something about them and who they belong to. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
These refer to my grandmother's brother. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
His name was Bernard Douglas Taylor. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-This is him? -That's him, yes. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
Was he a Friend, was he a Quaker? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
He was a Quaker, the whole family | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
had been Methodists but turned Quaker before the First World War. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
Prior to the war starting, he took part | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
-in many anti-war committees and so on. -Oh, did he? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
And once the war had started, he helped out with other | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
conscientious objectors and so on. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
When the time came for his drafting, he appeared before a panel | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
and pleaded his case for not having to join the military. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
And what's this hand-written letter about? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
That's his declaration to the selection panel. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
-Oh, this is dated January 26th, 1917. -Yes. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
Um, he's written here, "I am not" - | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
underlined - "a soldier | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
"and no amount of coercion can ever cause me to become an instrument | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
"for the slaughter of my fellow man." | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
So quite clearly he, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
he was a very intense man and definitely not one to, er... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
-He was. -go against his morals. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
And whatever else he said to the panel, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
they came to the unanimous agreement that, due to his statement | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
and his eloquence and his intensity, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
that he should be fully exempted from military service. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Interesting. Now this photograph here puzzles me somewhat, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
because this is, I guess, him, is it? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-That's him, yes. -Well, why is he wearing military uniform? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
What happened was, he decided that | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
the help he was giving out to dependants of "conchies" and so on, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:52 | |
he could perhaps do more, so he decided to go to France | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
to help out there. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
Was this while the war was in progress? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
It was still in progress, yes, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
but what happened was, when he got off the ferry in Calais, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
a gendarme came up, asked him his business and when he explained, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
the gendarme said, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
"What I suggest to you sir, is that you go to the nearest tailors, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
"have yourself a uniform made and put it on immediately, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
"because if the women of France | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
"see you in civilian clothes, a young, fit, hale man, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
"they're going to tear you to pieces | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
"because their men have been dying at the front," and so on. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Yes, yes, that's extraordinary. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
You've also brought along an armband. Tell me about this. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
I know nothing about it. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
I presume it's part of a Quaker voluntary organisation's motif. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
Well, in fact, I do know what this is. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
This is the Quaker star. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
-Oh, I see. -And it's the badge of the Quaker relief organisation. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:47 | |
-That's good to know. -And so he would have worn | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
the Quaker star on his arm. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
As far as I know, he had no other form of insignia on the uniform, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
-solely this. -Yes, he would have worn | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
this armband to show who he was, to show that he was a Quaker. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
-Right. -And also, of course, to support the other Quakers who were | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
-also over there. -Yes, indeed. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Because he wouldn't have been alone. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
But it must have been the most appalling thing, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
actually, to be the subject of people's ridicule, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:18 | |
because he would have been ridiculed at home, in Britain. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
I don't know that ridicule is the word. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
I would say disliked to the point of being hated. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
Hated? It's a strong word. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
Yes, but the feeling in the country against conscientious objectors | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
was very, very strong indeed and in fact, if you open that, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
-you'll perhaps see what I mean. -This envelope? -Yes. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
What's this dated? 1916, it looks like from the postmark. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
Oh, it's a letter to him. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
You'll see. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Oh, my oh, goodness me, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
it's a white feather. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
It's a white feather - as in the Four Feathers film. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
It says, "Noble sir, if you are too proud or frightened" - | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
underlined - "to fight, wear this". | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
-And the white feather. -And this has been kept. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
It's been kept, yes, it was kept by my grandmother | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
just to show the feelings that some human beings have | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
towards others, so... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
-He obviously was a man of deep beliefs. -Absolutely. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
But how must he have felt when he received this? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
How would you feel if you'd received this? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I don't know, I think from what I've read of his background | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
that he would have accepted it | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
as an example of how human beings can look upon | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
each other and feel sad and sorry for perhaps, for the person who wrote it. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
Well, that's an interesting perspective, isn't it, I suppose. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
And I have to say that I've never seen another | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
-white feather letter, ever. -Yes. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Because I doubt whether anybody kept them. I would have thought that... | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
I think most people would have been very anxious to get rid of them | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
-completely, very quickly. -Exactly. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
I actually feel quite privileged | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
to be able to see it, to... it's quite incredible. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
And I wouldn't mind betting | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
-that if this was actually sold - I'm sure you don't want to do it. -No. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
But if this was sold, at auction today, you'd get a number of people | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
willing to pay probably £500, £600 for it, because it's most unusual. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
-I think this is an indictment on war itself. -Oh, quite. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
And also an indictment | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
on the sort of person that would have sent that letter. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
Yes. The whole country felt the same way at the time. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
Of course they did, we were very patriotic, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
but I find this in today's world, I find this very moving. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Thank you for showing it to me. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
This beautiful stars and stripe dress, obviously fancy dress. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
Tell me the story of it. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:45 | |
Well, it was designed and made by my grandmother for my mother, in 1926. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
Mummy was aged 18 but Granny was very thrifty | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
and she was a superb needlewoman. They both designed and made clothes, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
so you can see how she's used this red and white and blue cotton sateen | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
fabric, cut the red into stripes and put the whole thing together. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
I think the headdress looks rather like something | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
out of a Lyon's Corner House waitress's outfit. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
Well, it certainly looks a bit like Wonder Woman, doesn't it? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
-Doesn't it? -But I mean what's fantastic about | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
this is that when I think when I was sent off to fancy dress parties, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
I always used to go as a pirate or a nurse, because it was easy. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
This is something quite more delightful. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
And I wore it to a fancy dress party in 1981, I wore it with silver lame | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Mary Quant tights and I danced the Charleston in it. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
-Wow. -It was such fun. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
The wonderful thing about this dress is that | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
at that period, mid-1920s, women, after the First World War, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
women were partying, they were smoking, wearing much more make-up. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
-Mummy wasn't allowed to smoke. -Mummy wasn't smoking, well that's... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
-And no nail varnish either. -No nail varnish, either. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
It's a wonderful example of something from the 1920s, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
just before the Crash, people were still partying then, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
it got very much more sombre after that, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
but this is fabulous and just beautiful, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
thank you so much for bringing it. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
-Thank you. -Valuation of these things is, is so difficult because really | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
it's a very personal thing, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
I mean, it would certainly be of great interest at auction, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
I could see it making £150, £200. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Well, I mean I treasure the fact it's still in the family | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
and I love having it, thank you so much. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Our jewellery expert John Benjamin | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
was seen coming off the plane last night at Dundee airport | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
staggering under the weight | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
of something very, very heavy in his suitcase. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
I found out today what it is, because we asked him | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
if, heaven forfend, his house should go up in flames, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
what two objects would he rush out with, clutching one in each hand, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
and John you brought along... | 0:30:44 | 0:30:45 | |
this, I know, is very heavy. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
neither of the bits you brought are jewellery, which intrigues me. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
-No. -But let's start with this one. Why have you brought this along? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
All right, well this is a bowl that was fashioned - | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
it's actually called "The Greedy Squirrel". | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
The story behind this bowl was this. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
When I was 17 I left school. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
No qualification to speak of. I was very lucky to get a job | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
working in a jewellery shop located in Bloomsbury called Cameo Corner. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
Cameo Corner was started by this man. I'll show you a picture. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:21 | |
-There we are. -What's his name? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:22 | |
Moshe Oved a mystic, a sculptor, a jeweller | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
started the shop up with nothing, and by the time he died, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
some of the customers of the shop | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
were extraordinarily important people including Queen Mary, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
who had her own armchair in the shop, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
that no-one else was allowed to sit in. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
For the four years I worked at Cameo Corner, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
this squirrel sat on the counter | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
in the corner, right next to where I worked. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
When I left Cameo Corner, that, of course, I left. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
About, I don't know, three or four years ago, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
the thing appeared at auction, and I was told about it and I thought, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
"I have to have the squirrel". | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
That squirrel had been winking at me for four years, so I bought it | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
and it weighs a ton, doesn't it? | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Ooh, yes, it does weigh a ton. I've got to say, John, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
if you don't mind, it's not the most attractive thing | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
-I've ever seen. -You don't like it? -I'm not wild about it, but obviously | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
it means a lot to you. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
It means a great deal to me because it represents my young life | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
in the jewellery industry, so there we are. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
-And what about this object here? -Well, that is a silver sugar sifter. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
12 or 15 years ago, a telephone call from one of our branches. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
Could I go down to visit a local client, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
who it turned out had a large box of jewellery. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
I went to visit this client, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
sure enough the jewellery was astonishing, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
and it turned out that the collection was owned by her father. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
He had made it all. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
He was called Henry George Murphy. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
Henry Murphy was a goldsmith and silversmith who owned a shop | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
in Marylebone called The Falcon Studio | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and in 1928 up to his death in 1939 he churned out the most amazing | 0:33:03 | 0:33:09 | |
jewellery and silverware. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
Well, how did I come by this? | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
I researched the man's life, we photographed all his jewellery, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:19 | |
the client said that up in the loft | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
they had the entire archive of the Falcon Studio. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
-It was a time bubble upstairs. -What a find. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
And what happened was that we recogn... I say "we", | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
because I collaborated with one of our own colleagues | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
on the Antiques Roadshow, Paul Atterbury. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
We wrote a book about Murphy | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
and they gave me the silver sugar caster. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
They gave it to you? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
-Yes, they gave it to me. -And what's it worth, this? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
-Do you know? -Do you know something? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
I don't care what it's worth. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
I have something that means a great deal to me, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
because that is a thread in my life, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
and for me, that is a very personal piece. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
-John, thank you. -Thank you, Fiona. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
This is the kind of thing I could only have dreamed | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
would arrive at my table today. Here we have perhaps, how can I say, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
one of the legends of golfing history. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
And this is Old Tom Morris. Can you tell me where this came from? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
It was, um, in my father's house after his death, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
and when we cleared the house out, we found it. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
-Right, so it wasn't hanging on the wall? -No. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
OK, well, let's talk about Old Tom Morris because essentially here | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
we have a superb photographic image of Old Tom Morris | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
on the course at St Andrews. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
He's in a bunker, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
which actually is probably not that usual for old Tom Morris, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
because Old Tom Morris was an exceptional golfer, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
he was regarded as absolutely invincible on the course. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
He actually won the Open at Prestwick four times, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
starting in 1861 I believe, and here he is at St Andrews. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
There's a slightly more poignant history to Old Tom as well, | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
because he had a son, Young Tom Morris, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
and Young Tom Morris won the Open four times as well, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
but the sad thing is that he died at the age of 24. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
So we have two generations of a family, both exceptional golfers, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:16 | |
both exceptional Scottish golfers, and Old Tom here lived to, I think, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:22 | |
around about 1904, 1905 - sadly his son died in around about 1875. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
And it's a very poignant story, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
but added to that we have a man here who, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
to collectors, is literally the god of the golfing world | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
-and what is more, we have a signed photograph here. -Yes, yes. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
And I wonder, had you ever considered a value | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
-on this photograph? -No idea. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
No, well this picture is worth £2,000 to £3,000. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:52 | |
I've been offered £1,000 for it. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
-You haven't been offered enough. -No. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Because it's an absolute classic of its time and, to be honest, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
-to come to Scotland and find it in Scotland... -Yes. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
-..has kind of made my day. -That's what I thought it would, yes. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
Thank you, it's great. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
-Thank you ever so much for bringing it along. -Thank you. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
-This bowl, I love it, I really, really love it. -Good. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
It's fantastic, a visual feast of best pottery folk art you can get, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
it's a gorgeous thing, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:19 | |
-everything's going on. -Yes, it is, yeah. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
It's lovely that it's dated, 1862. I mean, what's that? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
I don't know, but I love the fact that the top hat was coming off. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
-I mean it's extraordinary, man in a top hat on a bucking bronco. -Yeah. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
It's an assortment of random images, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
we've got this wonderful steam train here, we've got | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
two ships. It's a fantastic slipware bowl. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
-Uh-huh. -Technically about slipware, it's pottery which is then coated | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
-with a very, very thin layer of another coloured slip. -Right. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
Which is basically liquid clay, which is then carved into | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
this sgraffito effect. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
-The history of slipware... -Yeah. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:00 | |
Goes right back into medieval times. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
This, being a 19th century piece, it became popular throughout, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
really, the UK, North Devon is very, very famous for slipware. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
-Yes. -Barnstaple and so forth, but we're up in Dundee. -Yeah. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Where did you get this one? | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
This I found in my mother's attic when I moved my mother and father | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
to a smaller home this year, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
and Margaret Morren was my great-great-aunt. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
Fantastic, so this has gone down from person to person to person. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
-Yeah, it has indeed. -And lives in the attic. -It was in the attic. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
I think I shall be displaying it now. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Would Margaret Morren have made it? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
-Have designed it? -It's very unlikely. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
It's more likely it was made perhaps as a present for her birth. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
-Oh, for her birth? -But I mean your family records may be able to | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
-tell you something about her. -I need to look into it. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
-You need a genealogist in the family. -I do, I do. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
-I think it's a gorgeous thing. -Good, thank you. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
I suppose got to think about what it might be worth. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I suppose in auction, £2,000. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Is it as much as that? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Oh, goodness, no, I'd no idea, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
no idea at all, just thought it was a family piece, great. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
It's lovely, it's really, really nice. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
-I'm sure I shan't be selling it. -I covet it. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
Good. Oh, well, I'll take it to my home. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
-You could come and look at it sometimes. -Thank you. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Thank you very much, thanks. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
The first thing I'd love to ask you is what did you have for breakfast? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
-Was it toast and marmalade? -It was, yes. -It was. -It was. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
And did you turf the bread out of the bread bin first | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
-before you put the clock in? Did you really? -I did. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
That's fantastic, I love that. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
But we're not here to look at a bread bin, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
we're here to look at this extraordinary machine inside. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
-Can I take it out? -Yes. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
There we go. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Well, it's terrific fun, love it to bits. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
I saw it poking out of the top of the bread bin | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
and I thought to myself, "Please let that be what I think it is," | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
and it's exactly what I think it is, which is great. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
So it's called a skeleton clock. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
The reason it's called a skeleton clock | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
is because the movement plates have been pierced out so that you | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
can see straight through them and you can examine the wheel work | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
in between the two plates, whereas normally with a clock you'd have | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
-brass plates and you couldn't see any of the wheel work. -Right. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
So we call this a skeleton clock. So how is it such an extraordinary | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
machine arrives here in Dundee? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
Well, it came into our family in the Second World War. My grandfather | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
was a farmer in Dumfriesshire and a local businessman approached him | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
at Christmas time - he wanted some geese that my grandfather had. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-Geese? -Some geese to give to his workers at Christmas time, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
but he couldn't afford to | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
pay my grandfather for the geese so he said "I'll give you a clock" | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
on the condition he could have a look at it every now and again | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
on the mantelpiece and we've had it ever since in the family. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
What a fantastic story - did your father have an interest | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
-in clocks, in horology? -No, not that I know of. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
But he had a good eye, obviously, he was a canny Scottish farmer. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
He was, yes, he was. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
And what sort of date was that? Second War? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
Yeah, I think it was 1941 that it came into our possession, uh-huh. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
Was it? 1941? Well, I'll tell you a little bit about the history of it. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
Made around 1830, that sort of period. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
On the front we've got a maker's name of R Hess of Liverpool. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
-Right. -Now it's my belief that Mr R Hess | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
never made this clock, I suspect he was a jeweller | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
and it was his shop clock, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
or shop timepiece, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
and it would have been a wonderful looker | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
and it would have attracted people into the shop. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
They would set their watches by the time on the clock. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
-Oh, right. -A lot of jewellery shops had a shop's regulator | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
or a shop's mantel clock, sometimes in the window, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
but often they wanted to draw people into the shop | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
so they had a clock sitting on the table, or as a long case clock. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
People would come and regulate their pocket watches | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
every day, or every week, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
and they were very useful at bringing people in. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
But what is particularly fun about this clock is the balance wheel | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
that oscillates backwards and forwards just there. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
That has this lovely snaky which holds the spring which keeps | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
the tension for the balance wheel to oscillate backwards and forwards. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Now the faster the balance wheel oscillates, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
-the faster the second hand goes round, OK? -Oh, right. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
And you can make the balance wheel go faster and slower | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
by adjusting the balance spring, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
this spring that's coiled down that the snake is holding. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
But what is even more wonderful about this | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
is the way that the two plates of the movement | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
have been pierced out in this lovely geometric design, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
and when you turn the clock around it becomes even more apparent | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
because it's pierced out at the back, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
but it's the layered design that particularly appeals as well. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
It's just beautifully laid out | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
and the one last thing that's really good quality is when you look | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
at the quality of the wheel work, you will notice I don't know whether | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
-you've seen it, but each wheel has six spokes to each wheel. -Right. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
Now the average clock has four | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
spokes to each wheel, a good quality clock has five spokes, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
but a really good quality clock has six spokes, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
it's a sign of exceptional quality. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
-Good. -So, now... | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
the last question I have to ask - did it ever have a glass dome? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
Not as far as I know. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
-We've actually had a dome made for it. -You have? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
-You just didn't bring it with you. -But didn't bring it with us. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
And you don't, you didn't have the original base with it at any time? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
-Wasn't original, no, no. -Well, that's a shame | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
because the original base and the original dome is important to have, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
you know, it's just a lovely thing to be able to have with it, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
and, you know, that's life, they break. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
My wife will kill me for saying this, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
but she was dusting some bits and pieces off a shelf | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
-and an ornament broke my skeleton clock dome the other day. -Oh, right. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
And she rang me in tears. I was slightly in tears as well. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
they're incredibly difficult to replace. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
OK, well, much collected, this is... | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
a skeleton clock collector's dream. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
I'd love to own it, a fantastic clock, so it has a market value. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
Um, from a flock of geese. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
-A good deal. -I wonder how many it was - | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
and they would have gone by Christmas, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
whereas here this clock is now. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
-I've still got it. -Um, open market value for this clock, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
take a little bit off | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
for the fact that it's missing its base and its dome. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
-Right, right. -But certainly a collector today would pay | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
between £8,000 and £12,000 for it. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
-Oh, good news. -Thank you very much for bringing it in. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:25 | |
-It's a terrific clock. -Thank you, right. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
This is probably my favourite item of the day. It dates from 1602 | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
and it's a pirlie pig. "Well, it doesn't look much like a pig" | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
I can hear you say, but up here in Scotland a pirlie pig | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
is what they call a money box, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
and it used to be used in the Council to fine town councillors | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
if they couldn't be bothered to turn up for a meeting, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
so it must have had a few bob in it. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:47 | |
They could probably do with something like this | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
in the House of Commons, if you ask me. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
Well, now it's going to the local McManus Art Gallery and Museum here, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
and our time here is almost up. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
We've had an interesting and eclectic mix of items, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
I think it's fair to say, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
so from the Roadshow in Dundee, bye-bye. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 |