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Today, we've brought our team of experts to the heart of rural England, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
just down the river from Shakespeare's home town of Stratford-upon-Avon. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
This is Charlecote Park, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
a perfect backdrop for this Roadshow special, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
as the BBC celebrates Shakespeare. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
But did England's greatest playwright | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
ever visit these grounds, with their beautiful deer? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Well, apparently he did - but not by invitation. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow from Warwickshire. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Many distinguished visitors have been welcomed | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
here at Charlecote Park, including Elizabeth I. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
But a visit by Shakespeare in the 1580s was rather less auspicious. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
The story goes that he was caught red-handed poaching deer | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
belonging to the local landowner, Sir Thomas Lucy. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
Herds of fallow deer still graze on land which has been | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
the seat of the Lucy family since at least the 12th century. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
And while Shakespeare was living down river, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Sir Thomas was building one of the first great Elizabethan houses of the age. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
The turrets and gatehouse and heraldic stained glass | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
all proclaimed his pride in his ancient lineage. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
It was in this Great Hall that Sir Thomas was knighted | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
and where he proudly greeted Queen Elizabeth in 1572 | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
when she visited Charlecote. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:08 | |
11 years later, in this same room, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
Shakespeare was brought before Sir Thomas - | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
then a resident magistrate - to answer for his poaching crime. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Although there's no official record of what happened, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
it's likely he was fined, possibly flogged, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
and threatened with banishment. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
And it wasn't long afterwards that Shakespeare left Warwickshire | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
and headed for London to seek his fortune. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
And the rest is history. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
But years later, he took his revenge | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
by portraying Sir Thomas as the pompous buffoon Justice Shallow | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
in The Merry Wives Of Windsor. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
Shallow says to Falstaff, "Knight, you have beaten my men, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
"killed my deer and broke open my lodge," | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
just as Shakespeare had been accused of doing. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
He pokes fun at Shallow's pride in his ancestors | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
and in his coat of arms - three pikes, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
the same as the arms of the Lucy family. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Despite their shaky start, the Lucy family and Shakespeare | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
enjoyed a close connection down the years, with descendants of Sir Thomas | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
happily retelling the story of the poaching incident ever since. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
Did it really happen? | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
You'll have to make your own minds up. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Shortly, some of our experts will reveal their favourite objects | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
from the era of Elizabethan England. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
But let's get our own bit of theatre under way | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
with the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
This vibrant watercolour | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
by the great Victorian painter Robert Walker Macbeth | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
is titled A Fen Flood | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
and reminds me of all the great floods perhaps two years ago | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
where people were desperately trying to get out of their lovely village houses, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
getting away from all the water. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
But, of course, it's painted in about 1880, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
so it's over 130 years ago. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
Tell me a little bit about the painting, some history. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
It belonged to an aunt and I was given it a couple of years ago | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
and I just always remember it being on her wall, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
and over the years the lady that you see here | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-I used to find quite sinister, actually, as a child. -Yes. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
And it was only as I got older | 0:04:20 | 0:04:21 | |
that I've kind of really appreciated the picture. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
But I used to spend many sort of Sunday tea-times sitting on the sofa | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
and actually looking up at it, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
because it's got so much depth and vibrancy to it, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
you see something new every time you look at it. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Well, it's very illustrative | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
and it's lovely that it's lived with the family for so long, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
-and you now have it. -Yes, yes. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Erm, do you know much about Robert Walker Macbeth? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
I know that he was a Royal Academician, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
sort of late-19th century, but I don't really know any more. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
He was a Scottish watercolourist as well. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
That's right, so he was born in Scotland, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
but he's not really that well known as a Scottish artist. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
He, really, was better known as a London painter, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
but one of the great watercolourists of his time. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
But also a fabulous oil painter too, and he was really known | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
as one of the sort of fabulous ruralist painters. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Whereas a lot of artists painted great industrial scenes, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
he was out there painting the beautiful countryside | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
that we still see on a lovely summer's day. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
This is very vibrant and crisp in colour | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
and it's a great example of his work. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
And of course you can see the ferry on the left-hand side, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
who's about to come and pick them up and I'm sure you can almost sense | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
he anxiety on their faces, that they want to get away from the floods. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Yes, the two children just there, definitely, clinging onto... | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
-I assume it's their mother. -Yes, absolutely. -Yes. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Now, he exhibited so many pictures, he was a busy artist, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
he exhibited over 120 pictures at the Royal Academy, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
became very, very wealthy, he had a house in Carlton Hill in London. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
But also in about 1880, 1870-1880, he moves to Lincolnshire, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
where this is probably painted. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
And paintings were done on a vast scale, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
so this is probably a watercolour study for a great oil painting. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Right. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
-So we come to value. -Yes. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Like I say, this is an artist I certainly admire - I have a little print at home, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
but an original watercolour is very rare to see. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
This is certainly going to be worth £3,000 to £5,000. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
Excellent. Oh, fantastic. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Yes, we'll have to make sure that it has pride of place now, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and make sure we have a big enough hook on the wall to hang it up, so thank you very much. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
It's a great pleasure. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Well, a slightly odd question, but I have to ask you - | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
have you ever gone picking mushrooms? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
No, no, I haven't. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
Then I have to ask you, what made you pick this? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
Well, it was part of my nan's estate when she passed away, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
my mother gave us the option of choosing an item from that estate, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
and I chose the vase simply because it's very pretty | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
and it reminds me of my nan every time I look at it. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Really? So was there any discussions about it at the time, who, what, why, or... | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
No, nothing whatsoever, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
it was just literally a case of looking round the house | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
and seeing which took our fancy, really. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Well, I think to those looking, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
it will come as no great surprise that what we're holding, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
or what I'm holding, is a fantastic piece of work | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
by none other than William Moorcroft, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
and it's obviously, through the tube lining | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
and through the decoration and through the form and everything, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
just sings about what he's doing, and what he does so well. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
But this is for me slightly more than just that, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
it's just that little bit more special, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
because it's a combination of factors - | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
its pattern, its colour, and actually, underneath, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
we've got a fantastic mark there which says, "Made for Liberty & Co. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
"W. Moorcroft Design." | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
And what we're looking at really is a combination of all these | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
that pull together to a really good example of Moorcroft's work. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
The pattern is actually called Claremont, but one step | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
further than that, it's actually celadon Claremont, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
which dates from sort of 1915-1920 sort of period, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
it's that latter part of that era. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
It's a very distinctive colourway | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
that was manufactured specifically for Liberty. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
So all of this adds up to something really quite special. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
-And where does it live in the home? -It sits on a bureau, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
in a rather modern-decorated house | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
and it just goes really well. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
And do you know, where did Gran acquire it? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
She was passed it by her sister when she passed away, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
and, actually, she never actually liked it, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
but it was just something that she kept obviously | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
to remind her of her sister as well. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Well, I don't suppose mushrooms and fungi and all that kind of thing are everybody's cup of tea, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
but I tell you what though, it is actually the cup of tea for quite a few people, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:35 | |
and that brings me to the point of this, which is, if we were to go and replace it, where would we be? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
Well, you're going to have to go out | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
with at least the best part of £4,000 in your pocket. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Right. OK, thank you very much. That's very very nice to know. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
-Hopefully it will remind you of this day as well, it's been a real treat to see. Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
It almost seems a shame that, looking at this clock | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
in this magnificent sunlight today, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
and the gilt ormolu glinting off the sun, it seems a shame | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
that it spends most of its life sitting on a mantelpiece | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
or on a sideboard. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
-Or in a cupboard. -Or in a cupboard? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
-Yes. -That's a disgrace! That's dreadful! | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Are you a fan of it? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Because I know an awful lot of people that just simply think it's too brash. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
I love it, my wife doesn't, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
that's why it gets in the cupboard I think, yes. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
-That's dreadful. Are you into flash cars as well? -Yes. -Are you? -Yes. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Do you know, I thought so. What do you know about it? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
My parents bought it in the '70s, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
paid about £400 for it, so it's a family heirloom. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
And do you remember where it sat in the house? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
-It used to sit on a chest in the house, prime place. -Prime place. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
-Yes, yes it was. -Pride and joy? -It was, yes. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
You can just imagine their pride and joy. What do you know of him? | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
-I believe he's Archimedes and that's his bath. -Yes. -I guess. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
-And this interesting plaque down the bottom? -I don't know anything about that. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
So I can tell you something about it. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
-Yes you can, yes, yeah. -At least, I can say something about it. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Archimedes - mathematician, astronomer, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
scientist extraordinaire, and this scene here is, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
he's sitting at his desk in Syracuse as the Romans invade | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
and Cicero has specifically said to the centurions, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
"Do not harm Archimedes." | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
-And one Roman ran in and immediately executed him, sitting at his table. -Oh, right. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Or at least that's how the mythology goes. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
And with it, one of the greatest minds of all time. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
This is a clock that is absolutely typical of the Empire period | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
from about 1820. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
The peak of the French glitz, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
and it was highly desirable both in France and in England. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
And, stylistically, you have this bold foliate moulding | 0:10:59 | 0:11:05 | |
and bold anthemion feet | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
and a similar design all the way round the pedestal case | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
-with a white enamel dial. -Yeah. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
And Roman and Arabic numerals, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
and the signature in the centre - | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
"Ledure, Bronzier A' Paris" - this is him, this is the bronzier - | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
-because the most important part of this clock is the bronze. -Sure. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
And the marble and the effect that it's giving, not the clockmaker. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
A French-made clock, obviously, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
and the movement is of no particular note. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
What we're looking at here | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
is a wonderful, wonderful piece of sculpture, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
magnificent in anyone's drawing room. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Overpowering to most people, I suspect, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
and my wife wouldn't have it in the house, I can tell you that, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
but I would love to own it myself. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
But now we have to talk about its value. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
At auction, it's got to be worth between £4,000 and £6,000. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
That's great, it's slightly more than I thought, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
but, yeah, nice to know the value. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Fantastic. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
This plain little volume | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
contains something of Charlecote interest I do believe. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
It does, it does. It's a lovely little strip cartoon. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
Now, if we open it up, we can have a little look at what we've got here. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Yes. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
We can see that it tells a tale. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
And it tells a tale of Shakespeare's exploits here at Charlecote. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
If we take this panel in particular, we have the young Shakespeare | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
with his crossbow shooting the deer on Lord Lucy's land at Charlecote. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:33 | |
Now this is a Shakespeare legend, is it not? | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
It's one of the very earliest legends relating to Shakespeare's life. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
And there is some evidence that it may actually be true | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
because it comes from several different accounts in the 18th century. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
-Right. -So it may just be true. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Well, this item - this panorama - was published mid-19th century, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
round about the 1850 mark, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
so we can go back that far, as far as the legend is concerned. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
-Yeah. -Let's have a closer look at it, and try and work out the wording, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
-which is sort of Victorian-Elizabethan speak, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
I'll do my best. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Then it goes on, "Hys apprehension, therefore..." | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
-But he gets his own back, doesn't he, Shakespeare? -Yes. -Before he gets cast off the land, | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
he writes a little ditty on the gates of Charlecote. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
"Hys Disgust thereat, and no less wayward revenge..." | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
"..of my Lord Lucy an Epistle | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
"the which is not complimentary." | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
It's a lovely little strip cartoon, isn't it? | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
You own this item? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-Yes, this is part of the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust's library. -Ah. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
And we bought it about 12 years ago as a complete mystery item. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
We didn't know what it was, who made it, when it was made, | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
but we just loved it because it's such a lovely little item. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Little item. Well it's typical of the period, it's, as I say, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
mid-Victorian, mid-19th century, bit of publishing nonsense really. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
It's a panorama that goes some four or five feet in length, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
-it has no publishing details on it at all. -No. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Not an artist, not a publisher, not a date. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
But if we go back to the front cover, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
if we can fold it up very carefully... | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
-That one goes there, if we go back to the front cover. -Mm. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
-You see round the edges, this is fading. -Yes. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
I think that would have had a complete printed label on it, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
I think that would have told us everything about the item we need to know. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
-Mm. -But it's, as I say, fairly typical, I've seen this sort of thing before. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-Value's not great, £150-£200 in auction perhaps, something like that. -Yes, yes. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
But it's a real delight to see it today in the place of reference, really. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-Yes. Thank you. -Thanks for coming along today. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
Confirmation, then, of some truth to our opening story. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
We thought it fitting, on the outskirts of Stratford, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
to ask some of our team to select a favourite object from Shakespearean days. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
We can always rely on jewellery man Geoffrey Munn to find something. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
Well, sometimes on the Antiques Roadshow, I say that I'm raising ghosts | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
and by bringing this little object today, I think it is a ghost. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
And I've chosen something that I think is enormously evocative of Shakespearean England. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
It's not only a memento mori, but it's also a pomander, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
it's to be loaded with scent. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
It's there as a talisman against the plague | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
and it was normal for people to carry these around | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
as the only protection they had | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
from the most terrifying spectacle of death. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
William Shakespeare's period was absolutely dogged by plague | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and in 1608, there was this simply terrible plague | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
ripping through London, and people left in fear of their lives. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
It's a tiny box, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
if you like, you open it up and it reveals four compartments | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
which are labelled on the other side with initials. We can only guess what those initials mean. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
Having bought them from the alchemist, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
you put little waxy pellets into there | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
and it's like a cocktail of magic, really. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Inside here would be a sponge soaked in rose-water | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
and the scent would come through the front. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
When you held it to your nose, like this, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
you would not only have a way of covering unpleasant odours | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
associated with disease, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
but you'd have a reminder of the fact that you were alive. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Death is everywhere in his dramas, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
there are 15 mentions of skulls | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
that he uses to bring out the plot | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
in some of his most famous tragedies. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
In a sense, it says everything about the human condition, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
it says everything about William Shakespeare too, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
who brilliantly articulated where we are in life in The Tempest | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
when he said that, "We are such stuff as dreams are made on, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
"and our little life is rounded with a sleep." | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
Our very own poet, Geoffrey Munn, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
with a spooky reminder from Shakespeare's England. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
More Elizabethan remnants later, but back now to the Roadshow. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Well, this is a great moment for me, actually holding an Olympic torch. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
How did it come into your possession? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
It came into my possession | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
because my father carried it from Bletchley to Dorking in 1948. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
-So, for the London Olympics. -For the London Olympics. I was five years old at the side of the road. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
-Do you remember it? -Not very well, no. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Just vaguely, but I've seen this all my life in my father's house | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
and then, eventually, it came to me. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
Well, if we look at it, it says, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
-"XIV Olympiad 1948, Olympia, with thanks to the bearer." -Yes. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
So he must have been a very good athlete. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
He was a very good athlete, he was a Surrey quarter-mile champion. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
Here he is, holding the torch just before it was lit | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
and obviously we treasure this photograph very much indeed. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
So you should, and it's wonderful to have this Olympic torch here, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
-and you have it on display at home? -We do have it at home, yes. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Well, it's a wonderful piece of sporting memorabilia. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
There would be a number of keen collectors for a piece such as this | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
and I think if it came up at auction, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
it would probably fetch somewhere between £2,000 and £3,000. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
I think we'd better take very, very great care of it. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
So you should, but hopefully it will stay in the family. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
-It definitely will stay in the family. -Yes. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
And we have it, because we have two sons. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
-Well, can I just dream for a moment longer? -Absolutely! | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Thank you very much for bringing it in, wonderful. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Absolutely. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
There's two things that get me excited | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
when I see a piece of jewellery - if it has a fitted box, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
and the other is when I see the person wearing beautiful jewels, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
so you obviously appreciate jewellery. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
I love jewellery, yes, yes. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
And so can you tell me how you got this? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
Well I found it at an antiques fair, a little local one. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
It was in amongst a load of, you know, ordinary costume jewellery. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
-Costume jewellery. -Yes, yes. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
And how much was the ticket on it? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
I can't remember exactly, but it wouldn't have been very much, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
£2 or £3, less than a fiver. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Less than £5, and when was this? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
Within the last year or so, yes. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
-Within the last year. -Yes, yes. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
Well, fantastic. So what did you do, then? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
Well, I didn't think it was anything very exciting | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
until one day I put it on the side, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
and I saw the sun catching the back. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
-Right. -And I ... -Like today. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Yes, like today, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
-and I thought it might be something better. -OK. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
So I took it back to an antiques fair to ask a jeweller, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
I told her the story and she said, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
"Would you like me to test it for you? | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
"I've got a machine," so I said, "Oh, yes, please." | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
-A machine to test what? -To test the diamonds. -OK, OK. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
And it went "ping" and then it went "ping" and she was getting... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
Is that what happens at these stone testings? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
-I must get one. -Musical diamonds. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
Musical diamonds, yes. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
And everybody, you know, they were all agog | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
because she said, you know, it was perhaps worth quite a bit. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
But I've come to you to tell me what the metal is | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
and what period it is and all the information about it. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Excellent, right. Well, I mean to tell you all I can. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
It is 1905. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Really? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:35 | |
It is platinum. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
-Ah, ah. -Ah, ah, now why did you go, "Ah?" | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
Because they weren't sure what white metal it was. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
Right, well, you see, white gold came out a lot later. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Ah, I didn't know that. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
And also, what is really indicative of this period | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
is this millegrain setting, and if you look around - | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
-and these are diamonds - the musical detector was right. -Yes, yes. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
They are all diamonds and you've got this millegrain setting | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
around each of the stones, tiny little bobbles. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
I'd noticed that, but I didn't know what it was. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
-Ah, no, well that's very typical of the Edwardian period. -Oh. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Because platinum, you were able to pierce it all out and you could just get, you know, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
-the diamonds look like they're suspended in lace. -Yes, that's right. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
You know, it's so delicate, because before then it was silver | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
and it was quite heavy and chunky, and silver tarnished, and it was soft, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
whereas platinum is a much harder material | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
and so they didn't need so much metal around to hold the diamonds. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
So that's why it's so light. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
That's why it's so light, because also the dresses were light. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-Yes. -The materials were lighter in the Edwardian period than in the end of the Victorian era. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
And if I turn over here, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
what is lovely is that you've got these hexagonal settings | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
and you can see that each one has been pierced out by hand in a hexagonal shape, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
and that is a sign of quality as well, and it's absolutely lovely. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
I think it's so stunning. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
So, I mean value, £2-£3? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
Mm, less than a fiver. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Oh, less than a fiver. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
Well, I would like to say that you would probably, at auction, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
you're looking at around about £2,000. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Oh, dear? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
-I shall be frightened to wear it, won't I? -I mean, it's absolutely beautiful | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
and it's so quintessentially Edwardian period and it's lovely. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
-Oh that's wonderful. -So do enjoy it. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
-Thank you, thank you very much. -Thank you for coming. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
This has to be the ultimate in trench art. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
It's a model of a First World War tank, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
one of the very first tanks that served in the Somme in 1916, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
but why have you got it? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
Well, it was made by our grandfather - | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
because we're sisters - | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
and he made it while he was serving in the Royal Tank Corps | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
in northern France and so that's how we came by it. Yes. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
-So it was passed down to you from your grandfather? -Yes. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
And he served in one of these tanks, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
in a full-sized version of one of these? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
-Yes. -It's probably one of the best examples I've ever seen. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
-Oh. -So I guess he must have been an engineer. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
Yes, he was an engineer, yes, he had to keep the tanks operating, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:24 | |
so he would be there on the front line, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
but he made this from bits of metal | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
that he would have picked up as he was working on the tanks | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
and he made it as his souvenir of his experience in the war. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Well, he was a fantastic model maker, I can certainly say that. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
The real one, of course, is considerably bigger, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
it weighs about 28 tons, it's a huge beast, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
and do you know what life was like inside these tanks? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
I can't imagine. I can imagine it was horrendous. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
It was horrible, you know, the carbon monoxide, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
all the fumes from the engine, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
the poor soldiers would be inhaling them for hours on end | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
and they'd be sick, they'd be ill, they'd be passing out. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
It was the most appalling way to serve your army career. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
But, you know, these tanks really helped the British war effort. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
They instilled terrifying fear into the Germans | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
the first time they saw them. And tanks were male and female. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
-Did you know that? -No. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
The female tank had machine guns | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
and the male tank had six-pounder naval guns | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
and this has got two six-pounder naval guns, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
so it's known as a male tank. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
But as an object of trench art, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
it's actually quite desirable. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
It does have a value. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
People collect trench art | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
and that really is an extreme version of trench art. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I guess the fact you've got a beautiful object, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
you've got a photograph of him, the man who made it, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
I should think anyone who collects it | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
would probably pay certainly £300 to £400 for it. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
It's a wonderful, wonderful object. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
That's marvellous. It's something that we shall keep, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
I mean, it's something that we would like to keep in the family, you know. Very special. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
-Fantastic. -Yes, very special, yes. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
-Thank you so much, it's really a beautiful object. -Thank you, thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
You know, it's extraordinary. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
As soon as we put this table down on the grass, look at the crowd, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
look at the number of people who've come to admire it. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
-Isn't that amazing? -That's wonderful. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
And they feel... Obviously, they love it, and how do you feel about it? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Well, I love it, I cherish and polish it every now and again | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
and we've had dinner parties round it, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
but very careful dinner parties. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Well, I don't think you need to be, it's certainly a lovely old top, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
I mean, it's an Elizabethan top, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
16th-century top, and it extends, right? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Yes, it does, yeah. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
They were very, very clever in those days. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
There's nothing new in the world, is there? | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
To think that in the 1550s they had tables they could make bigger | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
in case extra people came for dinner. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
So this is a family piece, presumably? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
No. I bought it at an auction. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
I was in a long-term relationship | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
and received an ultimatum that I had to buy a place for us to live in. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:17 | |
-Right. -And I duly saved up the deposit for somewhere | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
but ended up blowing it on the table at an auction. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
How did the relationship go? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:30 | |
Well, I ended up being married to the table | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
rather than the young lady. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
But then again, it had better legs. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
Ooh! Ooh! | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Well, follow that for a story. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
It is, as I say, a marvellous walnut top | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
which started life as a table top in the Elizabethan period, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
there's no question of that, it's a fantastic thing. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Well, I'm just not absolutely confident | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
about certain bits of the table and whether or not it's all right. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
OK, let's start with the legs. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
They're wonderful, it's called a cup-and-cover turning, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
and it, again, is an Elizabethan pattern. It reflected - | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
if you look at the table - it reflected the costume of the time. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
-Right. -The pantaloons, the puff sleeves with slits in. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Yes. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:24 | |
But the lobes are slightly offset and they're all sort of misshapen. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
-Yes. -Now, imagine when this was new, it cost probably, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
the original would have cost in the region of £30,000 or £40,000 in the Elizabethan times. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:38 | |
-Right. -A man making that had to be precise. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
It had to be immaculate | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
and that's how old furniture, Elizabethan furniture, should look. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
But the Victorians thought, to make it look old, it had to look primitive. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
-If it was smart, it would look new. -Yes. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
And this is a frame from the latter part of the 19th century, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
and when you start to look at it, it doesn't quite tie together. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
Imagine this is oak, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
the number of hobnail boots would have to have | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
scraped on that rail to make it look like that. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
-It never happened that way. -No. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
I mean there aren't enough feet in history to have done that | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
to a table rail, OK? And then we come round, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
and if we look at the side here, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
the chequerboard inlay - | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
the chevron inlays - they did that in the 16th century, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
but it wouldn't have got grubby like that, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
because there's no reason for it to have got dirty, so what you've got | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
is a very expensive reproduction frame for a fabulous top. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Can I ask you, then, how much you paid for it? | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Oh, I dread to say now. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
My girlfriend will have her revenge, I think, now. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
No, no. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
It was 16,000. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
-£16,000. -Mm. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
If you could find an old one... | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
There isn't an old one like this really on the market. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
There may be one or two, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
-but they are in the region of a 100,000. -Yeah. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
If they turn up. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:01 | |
The table is worth £16,000 to £20,000 anyway, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
so you paid a fair price, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
exactly what the table was worth, and it's a good partnership - | 0:29:07 | 0:29:13 | |
the fact that the table is a marriage is nothing to do with it. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Did it have...? May I ask you, did it have a romantic happy ending? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
Well, it did eventually, because by virtue of buying this table, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
I met my current wife and we've got two beautiful daughters, so... | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Oh, wonderful, wonderful. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Well, I wish you many very happy meals on it. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
'That table top was created in Shakespeare's lifetime. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
'Curiously, perhaps, Roadshow veteran John Bly | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
'rarely sees pieces of such antiquity.' | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
It is surprising to most people that we don't see | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
a lot of pure, authentic Elizabethan furniture. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
But we don't - it's very scarce, it's very rare. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
What we do see on nearly every programme in 34 years | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
is this type of furniture, which is the 19th-century version. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
This is the Victorians' idea of Elizabethan furniture. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
This is a family piece, presumably? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
'That piece was a perfect example of an old top on a later base. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
'That was the Victorians' idea' | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
of an Elizabethan table. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
Now, Elizabethan furniture of that type was so expensive, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
it had to look immaculate. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
They used seasoned timber | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
and the most expensive craftsmen to produce it. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
No cracks in the timber, and no irregularities in the carving, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
it just didn't work. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
When you start to look at it, it doesn't quite tie together. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
But, of course, people of Shakespeare's class | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
wouldn't have got anywhere near that quality table. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
They would have had fine furniture - | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
good, elegant but simpler furniture, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
functional, and it would have been made of fruit wood, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
could have been made of ash or elm, and softer timbers generally, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
and so it hasn't lasted as long, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
and so because of that rarity, it is now collectors' class, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
and equally exciting to me to find anything from that period. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
And John tells us he'd love nothing more | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
than to see a genuine example of a fine or rustic | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
piece of Elizabethan furniture at a future Roadshow. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
We can help you bring large pieces to the show | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
if you contact us in advance. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
These two oil paintings of Venice have the most extraordinary detail. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
Yes. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
They date to about 1870. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
Now, tell me, I'm just amazed by the quality of these little pictures. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
Tell me your history. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Well, my grandma, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
when she was 19, was taken to Venice by her parents as a treat | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
and they evidently bought them for her, as a present, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
so that was 1910-ish. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
They were an industrialist family, created fine linen, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
and they had quite a lot of paintings and things | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
and they obviously liked these | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
and thought they would be a memento, I think. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
I mean, an extraordinary gift for 1910 - | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
that was quite a grown-up gift at the time. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
I'm amazed by the detail of these pictures - | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
all the figures, all the architecture and, of course, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
Venice is one of my favourite places that I've travelled to. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
Have you been there too? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
My parents took me when I was... Well, in 1994. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
Yes, it's lovely, it is very nice. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
It's the most unbelievable place. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
Now, certainly the picture at the top is unsigned. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
But there is an indistinct signature | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
lower right on the St Mark's Square picture. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
I've never been able to decipher that. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
I don't know whether you can do any better. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
-Have you heard of a family called the Grubacs Family? -No. -No? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
There's two artists, there's an artist - | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
an Italian artist, of course - Carlo Grubacs and Giovanni Grubacs. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
Giovanni was born in 1829 and lived up to about 1919 | 0:32:52 | 0:32:58 | |
so that ties in perfectly with your trip you were discussing. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
And they're incredibly sought-after. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
I mean, little pictures like this - | 0:33:06 | 0:33:07 | |
such incredible detail, lovely original condition - | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
I mean, a real treat for me to see these, actually. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
And highly, highly commercial. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
Good. I'm not going to sell them, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:17 | |
they've been in the family a long time | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
and they would stay in the family. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
£10,000 to £15,000. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
Wow! | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
Well, we value them... | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
-Yes, that's a lot of money! -Isn't it? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
-You've done your research? -I think I have. I hope so. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
"Dear Sir, thank you for your letter of June 19th. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
"Your vase is a unique piece painted in 1900 by CF Liisberg..." | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
There is Liisberg's signature right there. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
"..one of our best artists, and sent to the world exhibition in Paris | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
"the same year, where it was sold for 2,000 Danish crowns." | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
Well, first of all, I have to declare an interest - | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
it comes from my home city. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
-Good. -So I'm disposed towards it. -Good. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
-What about you? -We are very disposed to it as a family. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
The family found a premises in Sheep Street, in Stratford - | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
and then what does the family do? It goes to the broom cupboard | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
and believe it or not, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
a very, very dirty, beautiful piece of porcelain. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
So we scrubbed it up and just couldn't believe our eyes, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
and that was 1964. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
So it's a real discovery. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:27 | |
-A real discovery. -The classic broom cupboard. -Really, yes. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
Now from that letter - which was written to you by the curator | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
of the Royal Copenhagen Archive - we've established that it was made | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-for the Great Paris Exhibition in the year 1900. -1900. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
I'm going to look at this as a piece of design. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
First of all, swans - | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
well, which other bird would you associate with Scandinavia? | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
-Exactly. -Other than swans? I mean, Hans Christian Andersen... | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
-I know. -..has the story about the swans, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
and the swans represent each of the countries of Scandinavia today. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
Here, we've got nine swans crossing what I would say | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
is a highly recognisable Danish coastline | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
with all those granite rocks in the foreground | 0:35:05 | 0:35:07 | |
and this rather stormy sky. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
But if you just rotate this vase, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
you'll see how skilful the design is. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
It really does have that wonderful, wonderful movement. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
And these fabulous pigments, these underglaze pigments - | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
in other words, when you rub your hand across the vase, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
-you can't actually feel the pigments. -No, no, you can't. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
-This is something that Copenhagen is famous for. -Mm. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
And a designer called Arnold Krog | 0:35:32 | 0:35:33 | |
-was head of the workshops in Copenhagen in the 1870s-1880s. -Yes. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:40 | |
And at this stage, Japanese design is flooding into Europe | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
and is having a huge effect on all the artists, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
including people like Van Gogh, who start using Japanese motifs. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
-Yes. -And what do we see here? | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
We see Copenhagen using - at the very bottom - | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
this wonderful, very, very Japanese wave style. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
These great international exhibitions, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
which started off, of course, in London | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
-with the Great Exhibition of 1851... -Yes. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
..and were held regularly thereafter, these were the moments when the world got to know itself. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
And it's when the Japanese came along with their pottery | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
to show Europeans what they were doing, and it's when the Danes | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
went along with their porcelain to show the rest of the world as well, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
and they showed them just what could be done | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
with all of these underglaze pigments. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
But what would you get for it if you sold it? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
That's the question. It's an exhibition piece. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Yes. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
I think you would certainly get somewhere between £8,000 | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
and maybe £12,000. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
But we're not going to - it's in the family. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
What else was in the broom cupboard? | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
This gorgeous rose bowl is an example of silver | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
that doesn't really exist these days, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
or is extremely rare these days, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
which is a private commission where somebody goes to the silversmith | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
and has something made up, absolutely to their order. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
The coat of arms on the front - somebody's... | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
-perhaps somebody related to you? -My great-uncle. -Your great-uncle. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Your great-uncle who was - by looking at the coat of arms I can tell - | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
-a baron. -He was indeed, yes. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:17 | |
And his baron's coronet. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
He's gone to see the silversmith, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
one Mr Omar Ramsden, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
and he's made up a special order | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
-with various other emblems on it that relate to your ancestor. -Yes. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
It would have been a very expensive piece of silver at the time. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
Omar Ramsden has engraved on the bottom "Omar Ramsden me fecit", | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
which means "Omar Ramsden made me", which he didn't. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
Omar Ramsden was a silversmith | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
but was also a brilliant salesman, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
-fantastic salesman. -Really? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:49 | |
And evidence of his salesmanship, I think, can be seen | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
-from the paperwork in front of us here. -Yes. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
We've got a photograph of the almost-finished article. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
It hasn't got its grille in the top to take the flowers. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
And he said on the card that goes with it, "With the compliments | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
"of Omar Ramsden. The actual work will be finished next week." | 0:38:04 | 0:38:10 | |
Now, I might be wrong, but it's quite possible that the reason | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
he sent this along was to get a pre-payment, perhaps. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
-Right. -For the finished work. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
This sort of silver doesn't get made in any sort of quantity these days | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
because it's simply too expensive | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
and there aren't sufficient silversmiths working | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
to bring the price down to a reasonable level, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
so private commissions are rare. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
Omar Ramsden made this in 1935, just four or five years before he died, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
and it's the end of an era, really, for private commissions. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:45 | |
Bits of Omar Ramsden silver this size | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
are quite scarce and there is an enormous collectors' market for it. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Although he's not made the work himself necessarily, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
the people working for him were very, very good | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
and there are some quite famous names in the silversmithing world | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
who were his apprentices at the time. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
As a consequence, it's really quite a valuable piece of silver. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
I don't know if you've ever thought about what the value might be. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
Never. Sentimental. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:10 | |
Never, and it would probably never leave the family | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
since it's clearly got your family's arms. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
But what I can tell you is that with the enthusiasm | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
for Omar Ramsden silver among collectors, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
that if you walked into a shop and tried to buy it, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
you would be charged at least £20,000 for it. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
I won't sell it. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
I'd hang on to it. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
It's probably not going to go down in price any time soon. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
Looks lovely with little carnations in it, super. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
-Lucky you. -Absolutely, yeah. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Well, look at all this gold in the sunlight, gleaming away. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
Tell me about its history with you. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
Well, the history is that these objects came from Somalia - | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
Somaliland - and it came from our ancestry, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
passed through my father and then my father passed away, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
and since then I've had them, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
but I didn't know where to take them to get the history. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
But all I know is they're 22-carat gold, 280 grams, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
-the bigger one, and the other one is also a 22-carat gold. -Fabulous. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:12 | |
And isn't there some relationship between this shard of pottery here? | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Were they found in this pot? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
They were found in the pot with a dagger | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
and a few other silver chains, some rings, quite a few items together. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
And sort of buried, literally buried treasure, really, isn't it? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
-It is a buried treasure. -Marvellous. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
This chain here is made from a technique | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
called loop-in-loop chain work, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
which comes from deepest antiquity. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
It's exactly the same technique as used by the ancient Greeks | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
-in the 3rd century BC. -OK. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
And it continues to be used today. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
It's made by making thin gold wires | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
and then almost working them up like needlework, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
and there is a sense that this is rather like a textile, isn't it? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
It's very movable. And this is a much more massy and heavy affair, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
-really, with all kinds of small gold links soldered together. -Yes. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
And so in a way, these are very valuable status symbols. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
The original owner probably had these things to let people know | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
that he was a highly successful individual | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
and more accurately that his wife | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
was a highly successful individual | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
and that they could accumulate this gold - | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
not only could they afford it, but they could also protect it. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
And it seems to me that protection is part of all of this, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
that somewhere along the line, somebody was in trouble | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
and they buried this gold in the ground, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
and wanted to come back for it. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
And this is very much the theme of treasure, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
that it's hidden away, it's a sort of form of banking and the only key | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
is try to remember where you buried it, and also to get back to do it. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
-OK. -And clearly this person who buried those | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
didn't succeed in getting back, and I can't - I can only imagine | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
your father's surprise and delight to unearth this gold. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
-Gold is absolutely incorruptible - this is nearly pure gold. -OK. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
And if it had lain in the soil for 20 million years, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
it would come up looking the same, and in a way | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
that's part of the magnetism that these sort of objects have, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
that this rich gold alloy has. Well, there's a huge tradition | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
-for working gold and for mining gold in Africa. -Yes. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
And we see it in great splendour in the Benin civilisation | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
-and the Ashanti civilisation. -OK, OK. -But my instinct is, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
although this is a very ancient technique indeed, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
that it's not a particularly ancient object, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
and I'd be surprised if it dated | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
-much before the 18th or 19th century. -OK. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
And if we're talking only about the gold content - | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
which is a travesty really, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
you wouldn't dream of melting them - but if that had happened, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
you could walk away with your treasure, your bullion, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
to a value of £10,000, which astounds me actually, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
and then add a little bit more - | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
perhaps not a great deal more for the historical context | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
because I'm not sure that that's a huge focus here - | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
but it does tell us the extraordinary relationship | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
between man and this noble gold, gleaming metal | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
that's incorruptible, is the same at the beginning of time | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
as at the end, and you're part of it. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
-Excited by it? -Yes, absolutely, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
I've never got any expert opinion other than first time today. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
Well, I hope this is an expert one, but I'm not sure about it. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
-But it's an opinion. -I didn't expect this, but thank you. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
It did belong to my husband, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
and he was given it through a gentleman that he worked with, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
and he had it cleaned and he did wear it a couple of times | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
because of the history - not that it was German, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
but relating to the Battle of Britain. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
So your husband, how did he acquire it? | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
A gentleman at work, one of his colleagues, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
he asked him if he would be interested in an old watch, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
and my husband did like watches and clocks. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
And it was among all the tools. And he'd got it off his father... | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
-Right. -..and it was in the toolbox forever. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
-And he hoiked it out and then he... -He just passed it over to Ricky. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
It didn't have hands, and Ricky took it to a jeweller in Grantham | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
and as soon as the jeweller saw it, he said, "Do you want to sell it?" | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
and Ricky said no. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
-Good for him. -He wanted it to work, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
you see, so he wanted it cleaned and he needed new hands, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
-but the chap said he couldn't get the original hands. -Yeah. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
And he said, "But I'll get as near as I can." | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
And what do you know about it? | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
We tried to look up the name, Glashuette. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
-Yeah. -That's who made it, but we can't find anything else | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
because somebody bombed it. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
Us. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
So the factory's gone kaput, so that's all I could find out. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:31 | |
-Right. Well, let me see if we can shed a bit of light on it. -OK. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
-It is an aviator's watch. -OK. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
It's more of a navigator's watch. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
It's German - but you knew that - | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
and it dates from around 1942, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
made for the German Luftwaffe, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
so absolutely - I mean, it could well have been worn | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
as those bombers came over this country. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
The name on the dial is Glashuette, and Glashuette is a town in Germany. | 0:44:54 | 0:45:00 | |
It was the centre of the watchmaking industry near Dresden. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
The company that made it was a company called Uhrenfabrik AG. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
Uhren - watch, Fabrik - made, and the company was AG. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
I think now's the time to point out | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
that it's not in the best of condition, | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
but then it wouldn't be, because it's been worn inside a bomber. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
Very briefly, what we have is a black enamel dial | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
with luminous Arabic numerals, and you have the replaced hands, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
but actually they've been so beautifully replaced, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
if you hadn't told me that, I'd have believed they were original hands. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
They're absolutely spot on. So, great job. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
But somebody said that there was three hands, is that right? | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
-There are meant to be three. -OK. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
Yes. These two buttons are the chronograph buttons, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
and that's the stopwatch. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
Press that to start it, press that to stop it and that to return it. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
But we haven't got a chronograph hand to show that mechanism, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
but I'm sure it would work. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
The chronograph mechanism is there to time, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
presumably from one navigational spot to the next navigational spot. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
Yes, I read that. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
So, out of a toolbox, given away really, isn't it? | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
Yes. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
-£2,000. -OK. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
And let's just imagine, for a minute, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
that this was on the wrist of a German navigator, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
clad in leather, sheepskin-lined jacket | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
with this strap over the top of his jacket - | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
that's why they're so large - | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
whilst cruising over London, Birmingham, Manchester, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
bombing the heck out of us. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
And that is - I mean that's in all likelihood, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
that's where this watch was last practically used. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
It's extraordinary, really, when you think about it. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
-It's spooky. -It really is spooky. -That's why I won't sell it. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:40 | |
Quite right. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:41 | |
So how fitting, to be in this beautiful Elizabethan garden | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
and to see this magnificent Elizabethan portrait. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
Now, are you the Earl of Leicester? | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
-No. -No. So how has this ended up in your possession? | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
-I'm the master of a thing called the Lord Leicester Hospital. -Right. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
Which is an establishment which he set up in 1571 | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
as a retirement home for old warriors | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
disabled in the service of Queen Elizabeth. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
How amazing! And it's been in that establishment ever since? | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
It has, and it's still a home for old warriors, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
we're still a retirement home for ex-servicemen | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
and this has been on the wall for we don't know how long! | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
This is one of the reasons that I'm hoping you're going to help me. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
Ah, well, let's look at it. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:26 | |
I mean, it is a superb portrait of Robert Dudley, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
the Earl of Leicester. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:31 | |
And of course he was one of the sons of the Duke of Northumberland, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
and that of course brought him very close to the royal family, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:41 | |
and it's said that he grew up with Elizabeth I | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
and eventually Elizabeth took him into the court | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
and he became a huge favourite. But I like this, it's very intimate, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
and I really think it's of the period. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
Oh, I'm very pleased because we weren't sure | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
whether it was genuine or a copy, or a late... | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
It's certainly of him, he was painted by the greats. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
Great miniature painter Nicholas Hilliard painted him. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
-But look at the quality, have you seen his beard? -Yes, yes. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
It's incredible, every hair you can see. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
It's a fantastic portrait of an extremely important man. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
Do you know who it's by? | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
It's got a label on it, but I'm deeply sceptical of labels. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
Anyone can stick a label on anything. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
It's by an Italian painter, I think. I don't know how to pronounce it - | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
-Zucchero? -I don't think it's by Zucchero at all. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
In style it's rather like a chap called Sir William Segar, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
and I think that it's much more in his style, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
but because... He was iconic, there are many many portraits of him. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
-Have you ever had it valued? -No, we haven't. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
Well, you know, although there are a number of portraits | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
of Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
it is quite rare to find things from the Tudor period, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
and assuming this is from the Tudor period, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
which I feel from looking at today, it is, I would say | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
it could make between £10,000 and £15,000 at auction. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
-Gosh. -So, not bad. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
So the great Robert Dudley is still a benefactor of your establishment. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
-Very much so, yes. -That's wonderful. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:08 | |
Well, I'm pleased, and I think he was a good man, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
still to look down on you. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
We've been fortunate to see objects from Shakespeare's lifetime | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
here at Charlecote Park, particularly such a sumptuous painting. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
Mark Poltimore has chosen a personal favourite from the era. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
In my hand, I have - and that's why I'm wearing these gloves - | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
this very precious and incredibly beautiful | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
Portrait Of An Unknown Lady by Nicholas Hilliard. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
He was one of the first home-grown English artists, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
but here we have quite a late portrait from 1605 | 0:49:41 | 0:49:46 | |
of this beautiful young lady. If you look at it in detail, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
you will see it is absolutely microscopic | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
and that the jewellery shines out and is so intricate and so delicate. | 0:49:55 | 0:50:01 | |
He often used a weasel or a stoat's tooth, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
mounted on a wooden stick, to burnish, to sort of rub, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:12 | |
to bring it out, so it's incredibly bright and beautiful. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
He would use very fine brushes made of squirrel's tails. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:21 | |
They really were treated as jewels. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
Value is always difficult, but I would have thought | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
if it came up onto the market, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
it would make at least £50,000 to £70,000. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
And as only the wealthy were painted in Tudor England, it's believed that | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
no portrait was painted of Shakespeare in his lifetime. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
But if you know better, bring your picture along to a Roadshow. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
So, Imperial Russia comes to Warwickshire. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
You have a wonderful Russian porcelain cup and saucer. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
-Where did you get it? -I got it about 35 years ago, I think, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:59 | |
at a little antique shop that had a tearoom as well. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
-Right. -Up near Billingshurst in Sussex. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Right. Do you know anything about it? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
-We knew it was Russian. -Right. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
And we went to the library and had a look at some of the books, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
and we came up with Kuznetsov | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
-and we thought it was the Dulevo factory. -Right. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
And the book said that the mark was usually done in blue, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
but they did gold for special orders. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
-But that's really all we know about it. -I'm redundant, aren't I? | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
You've done it all. Let's have a look. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
You do have this wonderful painted panel, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
you have wonderful jewelling - for that's what we call it, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:39 | |
this raised enamel work round the side - | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
tooled gold, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
pierced base, all the signs of luxury | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
-and indeed of a special order. -Yes. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
So I think you're probably right there. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
Let's have a look at the mark, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:51 | |
see whether you're right about Kuznetsov - and you are. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
-It is a gold mark. -Yes. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
It's likely to be the sign of a special order, | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
and it was made in the late 19th century. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
This mark is in real gold - people often don't appreciate this, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
-this is real gold used to gild this mark. -Yes, mm. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
-It doesn't actually look Russian, does it? -No. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
It looks... It could be a piece of Coalport or a piece of Meissen, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
it doesn't look actually distinctively Russian, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
and that might hold it back a bit. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
But even then, I think your cup and saucer, £25 35 years ago, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:24 | |
is going to be in the region of £500 or maybe £600 today. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:29 | |
Wow! Lovely, thank you very much. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
-Not at all, it's a pleasure. -That's great. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
Well, I reckon that these decanters are a pair of sisters. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
What about you guys? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
Well, we are two brothers. And my father | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
bought them many years ago, and when he died, he passed them on | 0:52:47 | 0:52:52 | |
to us separately, so we've had them separately now for about 25 years. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:58 | |
And what do you know about their past? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
Where did he get them from? Do you know anything further about them? | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
He gave us a book - which we've now lost, unfortunately - | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
and in there it describes the maker, from Stourbridge, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
and we're now trying to find that out. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
So we will probably find the book one day, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
but in the meantime we've got a pair of beautiful decanters | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
which just sit in the cabinet. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
Well, let's have a closer look at what we've got here. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
Now, see, I mean this is where glass comes into play. Look at that. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
Add light and - magic! Absolutely fantastic. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
What I can tell you about them, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
I mean, you know, one of the problems about glass | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
is it doesn't say, "Made by so-and-so," written on it, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
and that is inevitably a problem, but I'm pretty sure | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
these are the work of Thomas Webb and Sons, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
and these date, I would think, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
to about the glory period of Thomas Webb, about 1870. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
And the work is absolutely fantastic. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
They're wheel-engraved, I mean you used to take the basic blank | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
and then the wheel engraver gets to work. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
On the reverse, pretty pedestrian. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
Ferns - the archetypal motif of Victorian engraving. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
So if you like, this is the chalk, but, boy, that's the cheese. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
That is just absolutely fantastic. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
These must be a quarter-inch deep, cut into the body, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
and if you zoom in and look at the feathers, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
straining on the angel's wings, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
I mean, they're just really very, very good indeed. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
-I mean, close to "as good as you get". -Mm. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
I mean they really are - mwah! - peachy, and I love them. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
I think these are really pretty. So, value. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
I suppose as a pair they're going to be worth a bit more than as singles, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
which is always the trouble about splitting pairs, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
but these would be a proud part of a stock of any posh antique dealer. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:54 | |
You would certainly not be able to buy them | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
for any less than £1,200 to £1,500 | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
because they're just such fabulous quality. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
-Thank you. -That sounds very good. -Very nice, very nice indeed. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
Very interesting to hear of the history. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
When you brought me this box with "National Health Service" | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
written on it, I thought you'd brought me your heart pills! | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
I open it, and I think we'll just get rid of the box - | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
chuck that away - and revealed is this beautiful cameo. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
Tell me, how did you get this? | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
My aunt left it to my mother, and my mother gave it to me. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:32 | |
-Do you know anything about it? -Not really, no. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
Well, I will tell you something about it. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
What I loved - I mean, coming out of that box, that was just amazing, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:42 | |
because immediately, it just screams out quality. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
I mean it just screams out like a museum piece, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
it's absolutely gorgeous. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
It's a hardstone cameo of around about 1800. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
Now between 1760 and 1820 there was a real revival of Classicism, | 0:55:55 | 0:56:01 | |
and that was because of the archaeological sites | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
that were being discovered at the time, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
and also Napoleon around that time, he was really, he loved cameos. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
And what is important with cameos | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
is the movement and the fineness of the carving. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
What they would have, they would have a drill, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
and at the end of the drill, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:19 | |
a little lead head would have been impregnated with diamond dust, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
and these are layers in the hardstone, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
and they would actually start drilling away | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
to reveal all the different levels | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
and it would take months and months and years, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
and the skill in this was absolutely revered | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
as the same as an architect or a painter or a sculptor. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
So in fact what is really also interesting is that people would... | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
This is of Apollo, and men would wear these cameos with pride. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
It wasn't sort of female adornment, it was really important, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
there was this real sense of place and dignity by wearing one of these. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:57 | |
You have here, just on the side here, "Constantini" - | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
the signature of the engraver, and the stone is sardonyx, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
a hardstone, which means that it has layers of different colours, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
all the same... It's all the same stone. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
The diamonds round the outside are rose-cut diamonds, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
and rose cuts means that it has a flat back | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
but it has a faceted top to it. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
Do you have an idea of the value? | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
Yes, a little bit, well... I was told something. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
-What were you told? -About £800 to £1,000. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
-£800 to £1,000. -Yes. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
I think you should have brought those heart pills. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
Really? | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
Because I would say that it would be around about £6,000 to £8,000. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:39 | |
Ooh, well. That is a surprise. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:44 | |
I mean, it's absolutely stunning, it's fantastic, really beautiful, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
and so lovely to see the quality of the piece. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
What would have happened if I'd let it go to the auction? | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
You wouldn't be sitting here feeling so happy. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
-Well, thank you very much. -Gosh, right, that's exciting, thank you. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
Do you remember I mentioned at the beginning of this programme | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
that Shakespeare was apparently caught red-handed poaching deer here? | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
Talking of Shakespeare, when I arrived this morning | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
and there were only six people waiting to see our experts, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
I thought today might be Much Ado About Nothing, but what can I say? | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
We've had 2,000, 3,000 people turn up - it's been a wonderful day, | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
and All's Well That Ends Well. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
From the Antiques Roadshow in Warwickshire, bye-bye. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
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