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Charles Dickens once said of today's Roadshow location, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
"Rarely have I seen a place that so attracted my fancy," | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
and do you know, I think quite a few famous residents would agree, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
not least the late, great Arthur Negus, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
founding father of the Roadshow, of course, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
and who lived here for many years. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
Welcome to a return visit to Cheltenham. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
On the day before the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
there are always 101 things to be done. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Lights need checking, miles of cables need laying, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
sets need to be laid out... | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Hmm, that sounds far too much like hard work for me. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
Far below all this activity, I've been told there's something | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
rather interesting in the bowels of the building. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
From 1903, when the town hall opened, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
it was at the heart of Cheltenham's social life, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
so you might expect, 100 years on, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
to find something rather intriguing down here. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Let's have a look. What can we see? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Mm, what's in these books? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Wouldn't you know it? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
It's from the local Echo, 1980 - | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
"TV Antiques Roadshow In Town," and, look, there's Angela Rippon. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
This is the first time that the Antiques Roadshow | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
came here to Cheltenham. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
It would be great to find something | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
from the town hall's famous musical past. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Here we go, "First Annual Festival. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
"The first performance of works by Benjamin Britten | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
"conducted by the composer." | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Gosh, so when it came to classical music, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
Cheltenham was where it was at. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
As well as Benjamin Britten, many great composers performed here - | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
William Walton, Vaughan Williams and Gustav Holst. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
And in the cultural capital of the Cotswolds - | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
also renowned for its exquisite silver, immaculate furniture | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
and rustic pottery - our experts are in position, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
and hoping to make their own mark with some exciting discoveries. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Whenever I see a piece of painted enamel on an object of silver | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
like this, it always gets the pulse ticking a little faster. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
What can you tell me about its past history? | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Well, all we know is that when my grandmother died in about 1977, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
we found it in her house. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
My father hadn't lived with her as a boy, so he'd never seen it before. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
We looked at it, it was a bit black, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
it had been on her mantelpiece, I think. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
It went on a shelf at home, and just carried on being black. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
Then about a year ago, I've got a friend | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
who's staying in Amberleigh, and I took it to show her, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
and while we were looking at it, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
another friend of ours turned up for a cup of tea. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
-She works at the Court Barn Museum at Chipping Campden... -Yes. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
..and recognised what it was. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
So we went to Chipping Campden and showed this to the Harts, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
and they agreed that it had been made there, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
and that it was probably valuable. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
Well, what you've hit on is absolutely right, because | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
when you look at how it's made, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
it absolutely screams Arts and Crafts. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
These rather crude riveted feet, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
which are all done absolutely deliberately. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
-Yes. -You know, it's not just bad making. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
-No. -That's how they deliberately made it, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
and then it's got this almost impressionistic enamel on the top. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
And this period was probably one of the peak periods | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
for enamelling in the British Isles, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
and, of course, this came out of the very famous | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
Guild of Handicraft workshop in Chipping Campden, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
and there's one name... Do you know | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
the famous name associated with the Guild of Handicraft? | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Well, Ashbee. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
-Charles Ashbee. -Yes. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
He is an absolutely iconic name at the moment. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
People are going crazy over his stuff. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
So what I would need to do a little bit of work on, is to find out | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
whether this was actually designed by Ashbee. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
If we turn it up and look at the bottom, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
you can see it's got the Guild of Handicraft mark there | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
and the date letter is actually 1906. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
Now, that's exactly the period | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
when Ashbee was running the Guild of Handicrafts. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
Lovely box. Very, very stylish, and, do you know, 20 years ago, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
I really disliked this stuff. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
-Do you like it? -I do now, yes. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
-So do I. -I mean, I don't think my father did, when he found it. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
It looked old-fashioned. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
And it's funny how tastes change. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
I used to love Georgian coffee pots and simple silver. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
Now I'm really into this Arts and Crafts silver | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
and I think this is a lovely little box, highly collectable. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
Now, if it IS designed by Ashbee, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
we're probably looking at | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
-£4,000 to £5,000. -Wow. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
So, not a bad increase. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Not bad at all. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
What I've brought is two chairs and a table. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
-What, these two chairs we're sitting in? -Yes, yes. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
I bought these at auction last year for £160. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
-Yes. -And they're from Laurie Lee's house | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
and I also got a letter from his widow stating the fact. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
-That these are Laurie Lee's? -Yes. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
So Laurie Lee, the man who wrote Cider With Rosie, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
that seminal book of the 1950s-60s | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
that we all had to study at school... | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
-Did you study it at school? -Yes, I did, yes. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Yes, so, was it written on this table? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
I'm not sure about that, but I'm sure he sat in these very chairs. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
Well, Laurie Lee was born in 1914 | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
and he was born in Slad, down here in Gloucestershire, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:27 | |
a few miles away from where we are at the moment, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
and brought up by his mother's family. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
His father went off to war in 1914 and he didn't get killed, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
but he decided not to come back to his family, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
so he was brought up in a female environment in this | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
tiny little Slad valley, which all figures in his little book. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
But I'd love to feel - although it probably wasn't - | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
that Cider With Rosie was written, forged, on this piece of wood here. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:57 | |
-Yes. -There's the coffee stain - tremendous! | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-And look, you haven't cleaned it off. -No. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
You see here, this is all, this is all wax from the candle. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
-Oh, from the... Candle wax, yes. -You see the candle. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
So this dim little cottage, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
writing by the light of a candle, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
mug of hot coffee to keep warm, writing Cider With Rosie. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:17 | |
I don't suppose it happened on this table, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
-but indeed this was Laurie Lee's table. -Quite. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
An invalid table, late Victorian. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
At auction - how much did you pay for it? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
I paid £160 for the three items. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Well, I suppose if they went into auction now | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
and you forgot the Laurie Lee implications, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
-I think that they would make, possibly make £100. -Yes. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
So you paid £60 over because it was Laurie Lee's. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Yeah, absolutely. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Well, I think catalogued properly | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
and with this wonderful association from an author who wrote | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
a seminal book of the 20th century, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
we're talking about £5,000. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
HE LAUGHS At least. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
So where do you keep it? Where do you keep it now? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
-Um... -You obviously don't bother to polish it. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
No, no, it's just kept in the house, just on the landing. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
That's brilliant. Thanks very much. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
My husband worked for The Beatles, he worked for Apple Corps, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
and we were invited to the opening party of their new shop. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
The Apple shop? Brilliant! | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Yes, the Apple shop, which was on the corner of Baker Street | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
-and Paddington Street. -Yes, right, exactly. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
And they'd got The Fool, who were a Dutch group, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
to design some amazing clothes. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
This was just the beginning of the hippie, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
slightly getting hippie thing. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:34 | |
Yes, I'm just trying to think, the Apple shop, which was this | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
-extraordinary edifice with a big mural... -Wonderful painting. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
..on the outside of it. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
That opened, I think, in December '67, didn't it? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
-That's right, yes. -With a huge fanfare, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
and it was full of these wonderful, sumptuous clothes | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
in extraordinary colours, extraordinary fabrics, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
and the trade mark was the Apple logo. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
Obviously, The Beatles set up the Apple recording label, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
they called it, tongue in cheek, Apple Corps, spelt C-O-R-P, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:13 | |
and the Apple shop was a sort of offshoot | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
of the Apple Corporation, which was their record label. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
-So you were there, lucky girl. -I was there at the opening party. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
-How was it? -It was packed - absolutely packed - | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
and we were allowed to buy garments at the opening party, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
so I bought this, a blue brocade dress, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
and another top for my husband. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Where they are, I don't know, so this is the only remaining one. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
And we were also invited to listen to, not the final mix, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
but the final run-through of Hey Jude. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
We went up to this tiny little studio | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
and I sat on a little banquette with Paul McCartney on one side | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
and out came this incredible song, which just went on and on and on. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
And Paul was really worried, he said, "Is it too long?" | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
and we all said, "No, no, it's fabulous, it's fabulous." | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
-Extraordinary and exciting times. -Yes. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
-I mean, the... Let's just do the postscript to the Apple shop. -Yes. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
-Because the Apple shop... -Didn't last long, no. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
No, it closed in the July, the following year, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
so it had a very short run. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
Well, they had an awful problem with people just coming in | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
-and taking things. -Shoplifting? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
"Oh, I'm a friend of George, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
"he said I could have six dresses," that sort of thing. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
They had a lot of trouble with that, so I think they lost a lot of money. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
-Right. -But, um... | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
But the psychedelic dream sort of continues | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
when I look at this painting here. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Now, I had a look at the back of it, and it says, "Philip Sutton" | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
-and it's 1981, which is, you know, later than the psychedelic era. -Yes. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
But it has a sort of feeling of psychedelia to it. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Is that you? | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
That's me looking a bit like somebody from Trixie comic | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
-of the 1960s, but, yes, that is me. -And are you wearing...? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I'm wearing this, yes. Wearing that. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
And what's the background? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Because the background looks like a sort of scene | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
from Yellow Submarine in a way, doesn't it? | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Well, it could be, but in fact, it's After The Flood, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
-Noah's ark, after the flood. -Oh, right. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
-So there's the ark. -Yes. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
And there's Mrs Noah and Mr Noah, my cat and a dog. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
And I'd made this for an American client because I was making | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
-applique and embroidered quilts and wall hangings. -Yes. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
And I made that for an American client, and Philip Sutton, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
who's a friend of ours, saw it and he said, "Shall we do a swap?" | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
And I made him a bedspread and he painted my portrait, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
and I decided I wanted to be painted behind this, which I found. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Brilliant, brilliant. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
Well, Philip Sutton, he is a Royal Academician, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:41 | |
he's represented in Tate Britain, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
he was a tutor at the Slade School of Art in the 1950s and '60s, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
so he is well known | 0:11:48 | 0:11:49 | |
and I know that Philip Sutton himself says of his work | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
that he feels like he's a musician running through fields of colour, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
and using each of the colours a bit like a musical instrument, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
creating wild music... So, in a way, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
that sort of psychedelic feel continues. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
And even though this is dated 1981, it's still... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
He still has that feel of the late '60s and early '70s, it's terrific. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:17 | |
OK, so it comes down to the nuts and bolts, which is the value. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:23 | |
And I think that the coat here, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
I could see that | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
easily fetching £400 or £500. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
Wow! Just the dress? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
The Philip Sutton is slightly more difficult to value. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
I'm going to be slightly cautious | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
-and put a value of £1,000 to £1,500 on it. -Wow. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
BUT it's got a long way to go. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
But that's a portrait of me wearing this dress, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
so my family are going to have a portrait of me and the dress. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
They can set up - like Matisse had a museum - | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
the painting, the object from the painting next to it. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
It'll be like a little shrine, a little shrine to you in the corner. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
I've even got the shoes I used to wear with this, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
I used to wear silver... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Not tights, because they didn't have tights in those days - | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
silver stockings, which scratched like mad, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
and silver shoes, and I thought I was fabulous! | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
# Those were the days, my friend | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
# We thought they'd never end | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
# We'd sing and dance for ever and a day | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
# We'd live the life we choose | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
# We'd fight and never lose | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
# For we were young and sure to have our way... # | 0:13:36 | 0:13:42 | |
You may remember in our Antiques Roadshow in Wimbledon | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
that one of our visitors brought along a Bible, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
which had that magic name in it - Negus - | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
and it once belonged to the Negus family. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
And, of course, the late, great Arthur Negus is indelibly | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
linked to the Antiques Roadshow years gone by, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
so we were very pleased to reunite the Bible with the Negus family. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
-And, Ann, you're Arthur's daughter. -Yes. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
What did you think when you got the call about this? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Well, I was so excited, it's a wonderful thing to have | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
because I have very little of my history to go on, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
so this told us everything. It's lovely. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
-It's a real link to the past, isn't it? -Yes, absolutely. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
You've got "Charles and Harriet Negus". | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
-Yes, that's my great-grandfather. -Your great-grandfather. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
And great-grandmother, yes, and since having the Bible, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
because of the entries, we have managed to trace back to the 1700s. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
-Really? -At the present time. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
We hope to go further. It's lovely, wonderful to get it. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
Now, even though it's a long time now since your dad presented | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
the Antiques Roadshow, but everyone remembers his name. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
I mean, people keep coming up to me and talking about him. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
I'm amazed, I'm amazed, yeah, I am amazed, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
but I always thought he didn't have a proper job like other fathers. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:01 | |
He was always bringing home funny things and bits of furniture | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
and the talk, you know, but as I got older, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
I appreciated how much he really was engrossed with it, loved it. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
Well, what came through was his real passion for it, I think. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
He had a... Well, as a boy, you see - father a cabinet-maker - | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
he just lived with antiques the whole time, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
absolutely the whole time. It's lovely, really, to be recognised. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
Well, it's lovely to have you back on the programme. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
It feels entirely fitting to have a Negus back amongst our midst. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Well, thank you for asking me, it's been most enjoyable. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
You know, a lot of people say, "Well how old does it have to be, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
"to be an antique?" | 0:15:44 | 0:15:45 | |
And, of course, according to HMRC - Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs - | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
it should be 100 years old, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
and, thankfully, we don't stick too strictly to that, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
because if we did, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
we wouldn't be able to see this wonderful cabinet... | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
-That's right. -..which has come from the Gordon Russell Museum in Broadway | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
-and was made in 1925. -1924. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
1924. That's the first mistake for me! | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Have you got the label in the drawer that we can...? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
I think it's in this one, isn't it? Can we have a look? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
Ah, there we go. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
Oh, it does say 1925 on the label - that was the exhibition. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
That was the exhibition in Paris, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
where it won the gold medal at the Paris Exhibition of 1925. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:31 | |
-And designed by Gordon Russell, Sir Gordon Russell. -Yes. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
Now, there was another influence before him, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
the Chipping Campden, there was a movement there of Arts and Crafts. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
The Guild of Handicrafts brought down from Whitechapel in London... | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
-Right. -..by CR Ashbee, the architect. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Right, now those people were quite exclusive, weren't they? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
What they produced was expensive, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
whereas I think Gordon was important because he thought that | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
machinery could help him make furniture for the average person | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
that they could afford, and that's his great contribution, isn't it? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
It is indeed. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:05 | |
And it was his line of utility furniture which we see a lot of. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-Indeed. -But it's always quite exceptional, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
it always has that little bit of difference, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
-but let's talk about this cabinet. -Yes. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Because this is a chance for me to talk about a piece of furniture | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
which equates... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
My field is 18th-century furniture, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
and yet, when you see something like this, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
this, to me, is the equivalent. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
This is 20th century, 18th century. This is wonderful. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
And he was so clever because he reversed what you'd expect to see. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
A Queen Anne cabinet would have had this wonderful work | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
enclosed by a pair of doors, but he's opened it up | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
so you see these panels of inlay and marquetry - they're beautiful - | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
and inside, there are two things that strike straightaway, little details. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
Now then, if you take that hinge strap up to there, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
this is Queen Anne, it could be Queen Anne. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
But this part is absolutely totally Arts and Crafts, isn't it? | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
-Absolutely. -Wonderful design. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
-And then another revival are these oyster veneers. -Yes. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Revival of the 17th century, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
parquetry lined with boxwood and ebony. I... | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
-And the oysters are laburnum. -Laburnum, yeah. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
-May I...? -Yes, please. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
Oh... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:19 | |
Still works perfectly. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Oh! What a joy! Just... | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Wonderful, er... | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
-Dovetails. -Dovetails. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
Just, just superlative. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Well, now, I know that the museum... This, of course, is without price, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
there's nothing quite like it - it is priceless. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
It is a priceless piece. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
But, commercially, we have to look, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
and I know everybody wants to know the sort of price range. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
It would certainly be in the range of £50,000 to £60,000. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
This sort of furniture is so sought after and so wonderful. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
Who knows? I mean, that might be an underestimation, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
but it is a great joy for me to see and talk about something | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
which I can enjoy as much as a piece of 18th-century furniture. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
-So do we. -Thank you very much. -Not at all, you're welcome. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
It's amusing to reflect that such a tranquil figure as this | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
was created by such a wild Bohemian. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Yes, she was known for her wildness and she would never | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
take no for an answer, so she'd go up to you at a dinner party | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and say, "Oh, your face is so interesting, I must sculpt you," | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
and she would introduce herself to everybody famous | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and just push herself. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
So we're talking about Fredda Brilliant, the Polish sculptress | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
-who emigrated to Australia, went to Russia, went to India. -Yes. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
And created a very considerable reputation for herself, not only | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
as a woman on the stage, but as a creator of sculptures and portraits. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
Absolutely, absolutely. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
She was my aunt, she was married to my mother's brother. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
My mother's brother was Herbert Marshall, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
famous film producer, theatre manager and all that. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
They met in Russia, were married in Russia, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
so they spent years in Russia. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
So a lot of her early work was Russian. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
Then she went to India, and did a lot of the Indian people. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
-And there's a great story I recall about how she met Picasso in... -Yes! | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
Picasso says, "Come to my house in the south of France, to sculpt me," | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
and it would have happened, had he not pinched her bottom? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
He pinched her bottom, but what was worse for Fredda, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
he pinched her bottom when her husband was in the room. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
-Oh, no, no! -And this was just a no-no. -Doubly bad. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
So, you have this maquette, this preparatory bronze, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
for what is arguably the most famous image of Gandhi. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
-Yes. -The statue in Tavistock Square. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
-Yes. -Which she created, she made, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
and I think it was unveiled by Harold Wilson, was it not? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Harold Wilson, yes, yes. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
And it's now a place of pilgrimage. I see it from time to time | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
and there's quite often flowers in front of it. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Yes, that was the whole idea, | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
for people to put flowers into the shrine. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
Oh, I'm with you, so it's got... Right. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
It was done for that and she was very proud of that, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
that when Indians first came to England to live, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
the first thing they would do would be go to Tavistock Square and put | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
flowers as a thank you for a safe journey, or having arrived finally. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
And on his birthday, there's a pilgrimage | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
goes into Tavistock Square of the Indian League | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
and other dignitaries, and they lay all these flowers around him. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
-Every year they do this. -It's rather thrilling to think | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
your aunt has created such an emotive, almost divine image | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-like that, isn't it? -Yes, yes. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
-Now how did you come by it? -Well, in her latter years, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
I used to go over to America where she was then residing, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
and help her to try and sort out 90 years of mayhem, which wasn't easy. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
Her whole life and all her chaotic... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
Her whole life and all her bronzes | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
and all her paperwork that she'd kept for ever... | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
So I would go over there | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
and we became very close and then she became older and sick | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
and she ended up leaving me everything. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-Everything? -Everything. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
So, it's not just this? | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
No, I have a shed with maybe... at least 50 pieces of hers. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
Now, they're not all finished, a lot of them are just plasters. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Well, that's exciting, the creative process. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
And no direction. Yes. And no direction as to what to do with them. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Quite obvious to me that Fredda needs another, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
another bit of exposure, another look at the world. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
-The world needs to look at HER, indeed. -Yes, yes. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Well, I think that this, as a one-off piece, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
must be worth, given its significance | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
in the history of the representation of this man, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
-£20,000. -Yes. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
But you have 50 other pieces. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Yes, they're not all as good as this, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
but there are other pieces, yes. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
I think it's about time that Fredda came out of the dark. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Had a look at the world, I think so. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
She would enjoy it, by the sounds of it. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
Ooh, she'd love it, she's been in the shed for ten years, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
so it's time, it's time she came out of the shed and the world saw her. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
-Thank you. -Pleasure. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
This is a very stylish centrepiece, possibly a fruit stand, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
something like that, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
and there are two things that intrigue me about it. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
One is the design and the other is that it doesn't have a glass liner. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
-What happened to the liner? -Well, two friends of mine... | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
One of them owned it | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
and I always admired it, and one day they had a major spat, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
as only queens can, and he threw it at the other one | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
and the legs bent and the liner unfortunately broke. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
Ah, well, I've heard some interesting stories about history of objects | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
and that's one of the best! | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
The design is particularly interesting | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
and if we turn it up and have a look at the hallmarks, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
it's got the maker's mark of William Hutton & Sons, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
and the date letter for 1902. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
Now, there's one very famous designer associated with William Hutton | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
-and that is the name of Kate Harris. -Mm-hm. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
And this design on the front, which is very stylish, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
very Art Nouveau, is very much Kate Harris's style, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
and not only that, on the sides here we've got pink tourmalines... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
Oh, it is tourmaline? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
..set in, so they're quite valuable in their own right. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
The stones themselves are probably worth £500 on their own. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
Ooh, very nice! Thank you. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
But the whole thing, I would think, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
has got to be worth between £2,000 and £3,000. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
-Even better! -BOTH LAUGH | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
We're here on hallowed ground in the hall, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
where Captain Scott of the Antarctic talked, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
where Edward Wilson, the doctor on the expedition, talked, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
where Shackleton talked, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
where Amundsen, who actually got to the South Pole first, talked. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
-Yes. -In this hall here. And we have holy relics | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
from the last expedition here | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
-and wonderful pictures from the first expedition. -Yes. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
Why have...? Why are you here? Why are these here? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
You couldn't come to Cheltenham without seeing something of | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
one of his most famous sons, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
who was my great-uncle, Edward Wilson of the Antarctic. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
-Right. -As you say, medical doctor on Scott's expeditions | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
and Chief of Scientific Staff. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
But the family have just made quite a large donation | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
to the museum here of artefacts from the expedition | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
to mark the centenary of his death, which happened 100 years ago. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
100 years ago, including this very holy relic. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
Indeed. It's a compass which was used by him | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
on the South Pole journey and went to the South Pole with him, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
and then was found on his body in November 1912 by the search party. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
And it's a prismatic compass, it's got liquid in it. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
It has some sort of oil in it. I'm not very sure what. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-So that wouldn't freeze. -To make sure it didn't freeze, yes. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
That wouldn't freeze, and then two watercolours, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
which are so fabulous, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
which are as fresh and as bright as they could possibly be. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
-This one of The Discovery, which was the first expedition. -Yes. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
-Not the one he died on, but the earlier expedition. -Yes. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
-Discovery At Hut Point - with beautiful sky. -Yes. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
And this one here, of one of the great icebergs, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
absolutely pristine, as though they've never come out of an album. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
He had a very strong eye for colour, he had a sort of... | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
You know, musicians have perfect pitch, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
-he had sort of perfect eye for colour. -He had perfect eye. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
Quite remarkable. He used to sketch outside with a pencil | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
and he made colour notes on his sketches and then | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
-he would paint up the watercolours in the hut, or on the ship. -Yes. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Because he couldn't have done it outside | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
or they would have frozen. Yes, yes. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
-Absolutely. And this wonderful hoodie here at the end. -Yes. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
That doesn't look used to me. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
It doesn't look used to me either. It's a puzzle. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
-It came down through one of his brothers. -Yes. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
It was passed to my brother as his South Pole balaclava, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
but in those days "South Pole" and "Antarctic" | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
were used interchangeably, so, you know, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
if you were to go by family, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
you'd say it was taken to the South Pole, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
but I don't think so. I think, my view... I don't know, you tell me, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
but my instinct is it's an early balaclava | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
probably from the first expedition. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
Well, no, I'm sure it's... I'm sure it's his balaclava. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
-I don't think it was used. -No, I agree. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
He left it back at Hut Point and it went back home. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
And these were all made by Jaeger, weren't they? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
-I believe so, yes. -All these warm goods. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
I mean, that really is a nice warm... | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
It's beautiful, isn't it? I mean, it's in almost pristine condition. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
And the other thing too, it has a certain style to it too, doesn't it? | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
-Yes. -It's not just a piece of covering, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
felt covering your face or anything like that. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
-No. -It has a certain style. -Yes. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
These are never going to come out of captivity, I hope. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
No, well, they're safely stored in the museum | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
and these are safely stored at his old school at Cheltenham College, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
so they're not going to come onto the market, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
but it would be interesting to know what you think. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
From his wardrobe, this wonderful Jaeger hood, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
what are we talking about? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
£2,000, £3,000? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
It depends how much you attach to his name, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
because it has a value as an historic object | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
and then something for his name as well, probably. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
-I think easily that sort of price. -Yes. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
For the watercolours, which are really brilliant | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
and of the Antarctic itself... | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
..we have to be talking in the region of... | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
£20,000 each. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
But this piece here, which I... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
This relic, which I hardly want to touch - this compass. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
How do you value something like that? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Found on his body. Yes, but I've got to! | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
-I would have thought about £150,000. -Goodness. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
You know, that is an incredible piece. This is wonderful, thank you. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
Thank you. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
Look, I don't know whether this is the smallest object that we've | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
recorded on the Antiques Roadshow, it's certainly the smallest object | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
I'VE ever recorded on the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
and it takes the form of | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
almost a tiny finger ring, but it's so small, it wouldn't fit a baby, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
it's absolutely minute, which means that, although it clearly is a ring | 0:28:47 | 0:28:53 | |
of some description, I wonder if it's not necessarily for human use. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
I want you to tell me what you know about it, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
because it's a very small object. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Well, as far as I understand, it's a vervel, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
which was used in hunting with a hawk. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
-Or a falcon. -Or a falcon, yes. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
-Yeah, so a vervel is a little tiny silver ring... -Yes. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:17 | |
-..that is used as a kind of a slide piece... -Exactly, yes. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
..to go through the sort of leather lash that ties round | 0:29:20 | 0:29:26 | |
the foot of the falcon. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
So the interesting thing is the age of it. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Now, what do you know about the age of this piece? | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
It belonged to Sir Henry Lee, who was the Champion of Elizabeth I. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
And apart from that, I know very little. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
Now, this kind of object is incredibly rare, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
so how do you know that it was Sir Henry Lee's? | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
What makes you think it was Sir Henry Lee's? | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Well, the other items that came with it | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
when I acquired it were Sir Henry Lee's seal - | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
there were several of these, this is the only one I still have. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
Of these vervels. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Together with his will. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Which is pretty cast iron, really. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:07 | |
-Yes, it is. -There's another reason that we can say with some confidence | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
that it was originally the property of Sir Henry Lee, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
is because when we look round the tiny little hoop - | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
I need my lens for this because it is absolutely tiny - | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
it is engraved "Sir Henry Lee". | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
Interesting, now I never realised that. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
-Did you not know that? -No, I didn't. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
I knew from the paperwork that I had, that it was authentic, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
but I hadn't realised that. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
It's also supplemented by a little crest on that. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
Now, I don't know Sir Henry Lee's personal crest, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
but I think the chances are, if you can look him up, check him up, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
you'll find that that has got his crest as well. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
So tiny as it is, it has an awful lot of information packed into it. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
Yes, it has. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
Now, I've never had to value one of these before and I defy | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
someone to be accurate with what something like this would be worth. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
It is very old, 16th century, and very rare. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
I would like to think that an estimate | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
of around about £1,500 to £2,500 for it would be the right quote. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
-Yes. -I wouldn't be surprised if someone came | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
and paid considerably more for it because it's just so rare. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
It is actually - can I put it like this? - it is a national treasure. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
I've seen most animals cast in bronze before and this is charming, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:30 | |
but I must say, I've never seen a monkey with a pair of binoculars. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
No. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:34 | |
It was given to me | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
by a next-door neighbour as a graduation present | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
and she had a cabinet of curiosities and I'm afraid she didn't like | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
this monkey and I don't think she didn't like me, but I quite liked it | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
as a child, so she gave it to me, but I know very little about it. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
And is it the fact that it's just charming, that you liked it? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
Yes, I think it's because it's curious, and I thought about it | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
and wondered whether it was a bit of a skit on Darwin, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
because it seems to be looking at its own toes, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
which is quite interesting. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
Exactly, but I think that's the charm about it. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
I mean, it's so unusual to find a bronze like this. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
I mean, a monkey - I think you're right, he's examining his foot. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
-I mean, it's Austrian, 1910. -Yes. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Very much in the Bergman style. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Bergman made all of the best bronzes, and they're cold painted, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
so they're cast and then painted cold, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
and literally made for export, sold all over Europe. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
There was a huge craze for them, but this is actually quite a rare one. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
-Right. -I think you chose well out of the cabinet of curiosities. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
-Yes. -I would love it and I think anyone would love it | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
and would be prepared to pay £600. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
-Wow, right. -Maybe even a bit more. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Lovely, thank you very much, that's great. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
Now, tell me the story of how this biscuit came to have a stamp | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
and a Cheltenham address on it. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Well, it was sent by my great-uncle to his mother. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
He was in Ireland at the time, in the army. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
-This was, what, 19...? -1915. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
And he sent the biscuit to her | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
and then it was followed up by a postcard, which says, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
"The food is running short, so could we perhaps have the biscuit back?" | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
Well, let's look at this postcard, here it is. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
"Did they get my biscuit at home? | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
"I hope, if you did, you did not mistake it for a dog biscuit. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
"Food is running short, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
"I hope if you have my biscuit, you will send it back." | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Now, he was obviously a bit of a character. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
-He was... -What was he thinking of, sending a biscuit through the post?! | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
Well, I suppose they were reputed to be | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
very, very hard and presumably to be sent through the post | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
with a stamp and address on, it must have been. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
I can tell you, I would never have expected to see | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
a stamped and addressed biscuit. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
No, no, I think it is | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
a little bit more of a curiosity than value, really, but, yes. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
Well, it's certainly unique. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
Yes, I think it probably is. I hope so anyway. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
This must be the very first time that anyone's brought | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
a brick to the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
You're not a brick layer or something, are you? | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
Definitely not, no, I've never worked on a brickyard | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
-or anything else building bricks at all, so... -What's the story? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
Well, I used to be a soldier many years ago and in 1987 | 0:34:19 | 0:34:25 | |
I was in Berlin when Rudolf Hess died, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
and was there when they actually dismantled Spandau Prison | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
after Rudolf Hess had passed away. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
And, basically, they tore down the... | 0:34:34 | 0:34:39 | |
prison into rubble and dust | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
and then got rid of it into the North Sea | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
and I just couldn't stand by and let all of history | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
just be deleted in a single go like that, so I... | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
This is a part of our... This really is a part of our modern history, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
isn't it, our 20th-century history? | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Yeah, it's the final chapter | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
of the Second World War, as far as I'm concerned. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
But I was there - I took it and was in a lot of worry for a long time, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
so it's been hidden for 25 years and now it has finally come out. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:10 | |
Well, do you know, this is what | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
we very often on the Antiques Roadshow never see - | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
a real, live witness to historical events. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
This prison - Spandau Prison - which was famously | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
the home of the seven Third Reich Nazis who were imprisoned | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
after the Nuremberg Trials, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
-and the last one of whom was Hess, of course... -Yeah. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
-..died in 1987. -That's right. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
And this is a piece of that history. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
What did your comrades think of you taking a brick? | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
I didn't tell anyone. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
You didn't tell anyone? I'll tell you something interesting. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
My father was in the occupation army after the Second World War, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
in Germany, in Berlin, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:49 | |
and he was one of those soldiers who guarded Hess | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
and I can imagine that he would have... | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
He'd have passed that at some point. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
He may even have stood there having a cigarette or something, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
-you never know, do you? -No. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Quite incredible to hear about. Well, I mean, for heaven's sake, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
what is something like this worth? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
It's almost impossible to say. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
I mean, it's actually a piece of history. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
From the point of view of the brick, it's worth almost nothing - | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
what's a brick cost these days? | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
-40 pence? -Something like that. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
But actually, as a piece of history, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:18 | |
I reckon a militaria collector, a historian, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
I reckon he'd easily pay you £100 for that. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
Where are you going to find another one? | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
Nowhere, that's the point, so I'm lucky to have it, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
and I will keep it. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
You know, I've been waiting all day | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
for a fine piece of Winchcombe Pottery to turn up, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
because it's not too far from here, Winchcombe, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
and here it is at last, and in particular, it's joyful to me | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
because it's not only got | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
the Winchcombe Pottery - WP - mark on it, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
but it's got the mark of the potter himself - ST - for Sid Tustin. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
Right. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
I knew Sid Tustin very well, he was a wonderful old chap, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
-worked in the factory till he was 90. -90?! | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
And he told me that he made, over his lifetime at Winchcombe Pottery, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
-over a million pieces of pottery, most of them very small. -Yes. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
And this is a giant pot for Sid because he never made big pots. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
How come you have it? | 0:37:09 | 0:37:10 | |
Well, I was in Moreton-in-Marsh, actually, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
not very far from here and not very far from Winchcombe | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
and I saw it in the window, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
recognised that it was Winchcombe Pottery | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
and went in and bought it, and it's been in the family ever since. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
-And loved. -And very much loved, yes, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and because my eldest son has grown up with it, it's always been there. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
-That's jolly nice. -Yes, yes. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
My boys have all grown up with my pots | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
and so it's lovely to pass the knowledge on to them | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
-and the joy on to them. -Absolutely, yes. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
-Because it's a lovely piece. -Yes. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
Sid was a wonderful man. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
I used to go and have tea with him quite regularly and he worked, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
of course, for the Winchcombe Pottery right back in the 1910s, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
and a wonderful chap, and with his brother, Charles, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
they did most of the hard work making these pots. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
A wonderful factory and they've left this legacy of great pieces. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
-Yes, yes. -And I think it's wonderful, it's got, I suppose, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
twos in the shape of swans, twos and swans swimming round. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
-Yes, yes, very, very simple. -Very simple. -Yes. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
This is made in the earthenware body, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
the clay dug up from the back of the factory site. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Really, was it dug up on the site? | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Yes, dug up on the site, and I think it's great. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
-Not of huge value yet. -No, no. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
-£100 to £200, perhaps, something like that. -Yes. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
-Not enormous. -I think I bought it for £6, I think, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
and that's all I had in my purse at the time, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
so I rushed in and bought it, so... | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
But the joy that it's given is inestimable. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
Oh, absolutely, yes, yearly, every year. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
-So lovely to enjoy it. -Thank you very much. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
-There it is. -Thank you. Thanks. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
I have to tell you that's not the box for this piece of jewellery. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
-Right. -Now, I'm not entirely sure | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
whether we've ever done a tiara on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:03 | |
I'd have to talk to my colleague Geoffrey Munn, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
but I can't ever remember us having done a tiara, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
and if we've ever done one, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
it is never one quite as tremendous as this one is. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:17 | |
It is an extraordinary work of art. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
Tiaras are meant to impress and, do you not agree, it impresses? | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
Yes, it does. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:26 | |
I want you to tell me as much as you know about it. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
Well, my grandfather was Governor General of New Zealand | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
and his wife, for her public duties, would wear tiaras | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
and so this was hers, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
and she wore it when the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
came to visit after the Coronation in 1953, their visit after that. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
And then she gave it to her daughter. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
So your grandmother wore it | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
-for this spectacularly important sort of occasion. -Yes. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
The Queen going to New Zealand, so it begs the question - | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
have you ever worn it? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
Yes, I wore it for my wedding day, yes. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
-Did people comment on it? -Yes, they thought it was lovely. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
-Did you feel special? -Yes, I did. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
Yeah, well, there we are, you see, d'you know what tiaras do? | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
-They make you feel special. They do. -Yes. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
Tiaras are made to look like crowns, really, and if you think about | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
the time when this was made, which is around about I suppose, what, 1900...? | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
-Right. -And tiaras were worn for grand occasions | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
and there's not much better than the Queen going out to New Zealand, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
-where you would wear your formal, important jewellery. -Right. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
The balance of it is terrific. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
Turquoise, diamonds | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
and real salt-water pearls, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
mounted up in scrolling formation... | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
And there is the base, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
which is a sort of velvet lining, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
-so that when you wear it on the head, it doesn't cut in. -Mm. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:01 | |
So it's got to have that slight buffer. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
So you get the idea of the formal frame if it's worn this way, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
but you know the Victorians were incredibly practical people. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
When you look at the back of it, you have these little finials. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:18 | |
-Can you see that little screw mechanism there? -Yes. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
You unscrew the screw at the side... | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
you can then dismantle the entire framework from this, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:31 | |
and if you can imagine it, you can then wear it as a necklace... | 0:41:31 | 0:41:37 | |
So either a tiara or a necklace and there, I'm delighted to say, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
you have the original extension pieces that hook in to the ends | 0:41:41 | 0:41:47 | |
of the tiara and you can wear it as a rather splendid necklace, as well. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:53 | |
Very important to have those little bits and pieces | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
-because it's that that really drives the price. -Right. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
Tiaras are very interesting. They're very much treated as one-off pieces | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
and whenever they come into auction houses and they're sold, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
you know, there's always tremendous interest in them. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
Once upon a time, they were considered rather ostentatious. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
Nowadays, young ladies getting married often will hire tiaras, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
because it really does finish the outfit off. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
So you see how things have changed. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
Well, they're great diamonds, they're great turquoises, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
it's a big, splendid look. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
What do I think that will fetch? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:33 | |
£25,000 to £30,000. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
Oh, my God! Really? | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Gosh! I'm trying not to swear! | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
Yeah, I think so, that sort of money... | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
And don't forget, that's just what you can sell it for. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -That's brilliant. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
What a reaction! | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
A great way to close our event here in Cheltenham. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
And our mission to find Cotswolds' treasures also came good. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
Top marks to our experts in uncovering those exciting finds. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
From Cheltenham Town Hall and all of the Roadshow team, bye-bye. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 |