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This week we return to Castle Coole on the most south-westerly

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county in Northern Ireland, and you're in for a bit of a treat.

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I love those items on the Roadshow that remind

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you of the days of Upstairs Downstairs

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and today we're going to show you a unique time capsule.

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Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow from Castle Coole,

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in County Fermanagh.

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One mile outside Enniskillen sits

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James Wyatt's architectural masterpiece - Castle Coole.

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And last time we visited, we showed you all the grand rooms inside,

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but from the outside there appears to be something missing.

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There's no basement.

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You can't see it from here,

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or from here,

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or even from here.

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You see there's a hidden part to Castle Coole.

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Follow me, all will be revealed.

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When this house was built in the late 1700s,

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it was the fashion that, in order not to spoil the look of the place,

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there should be no hint of the small city hidden away where

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servants were toiling underground,

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so the domestics and anyone making deliveries to the house

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had to use the tunnel and remain unseen.

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Look, even the old keys are here. Huge, aren't they?

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Fantastically heavy.

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There was a strict hierarchy among the way the servants lived.

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Footmen, for example, would share just one room, like this one.

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And in fact the very last footman at Castle Coole - Charles Battle -

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lived in this room and here he is.

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He left in 1936, and apparently footmen were chosen for the job

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because of their good looks.

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I guess in his day he was a very handsome chap.

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The servants' hall is where they ate their meals, socialised

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and took a well-earned rest.

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It's like they just stepped away for a moment.

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On the 3rd September 1891, the head cook at Castle Coole, Mrs Wasp,

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was busy with preparations for a special supper for Lord Belmore

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and his family.

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That night there was to be a ball to celebrate

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the 21st birthday of the eldest son, Armar.

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Upstairs, the family were excited,

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getting themselves dressed up ready for the ball.

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The Earl and Lady Belmore had 12 other children,

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and the evening ahead was a big moment in their social calendar.

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After the ball, one of the children wrote,

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"A magnificent supper prepared by Mrs Wasp,

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"would have satisfied those who live, not wisely, but too well,

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"and rarely have such splendid fruits graced a board in this country."

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And all thanks to the dedicated team who lived hidden away downstairs.

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And from one dedicated team to another,

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it's time for us to welcome our guests,

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as we join our experts on the lawns

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of the National Trust's Castle Coole.

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Well, here we are in County Fermanagh and, as a person who's

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mad about pots, County Fermanagh means only one thing to me

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and that is the Belleek factory, which is a factory here in Ireland

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making, and still making today, high quality pottery and porcelain.

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And here you've got a little piece of Belleek which,

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although it's not immediately obvious,

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is actually a little box, because the lid comes off.

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What can you tell me about it?

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My granny - was given it to her on Christmas 1940

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for a Christmas present from her mother-in-law at the time,

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and my granny then gave it to me some years ago,

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and since that she's passed away.

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I've had it ever since but nobody's ever seen it before.

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It's been in the house and that's where it sat and...

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And it's probably been... never been more than a few miles

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-away from the place that it was made.

-Correct, yeah.

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-Which is rather lovely, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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But it's actually a very interesting piece of Belleek.

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It has a title, as most Belleek things do.

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-Uh-huh.

-And the title is Jack At Sea, so Jack's a little sailor boy.

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-Yes.

-And he's at sea and you can see that he's smiling.

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-Yes.

-And it has a box that goes with it, it's one of a pair,

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and the other box is called Jack On Shore, and it depicts

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the same boy looking really glum like that, because he's not at sea.

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-He's not at sea.

-So it's comic and fun.

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-Yes.

-And the design for these two trinket boxes was

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registered by the Belleek factory on the 13th November, 1868.

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But we know that things were designed, say in the 19th century,

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but production may have carried on for a long time.

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-Yes.

-So what we need to do is to see

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what mark is on the bottom of these pieces,

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because one of the marvellous things about Belleek

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is you can date them quite accurately from the mark.

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So let's have a look. Let's put that there.

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There we go, and here we see the black mark.

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Yes.

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For a period between 1926 and 1946.

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So this is the third period mark,

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so we know that the box was made within that period,

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so that fits with your own family knowledge of it.

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-Yes.

-It's a rare shape, it's a rare form.

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-Yes.

-But it's also coloured, and that makes it even more desirable.

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I think I can safely say that for the rarity here, the appeal,

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we're looking at a piece that is worth...

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around £1,000.

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GASPS OF AMAZEMENT

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HE LAUGHS

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-Well, it's a rare piece.

-So it is a very rare piece.

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It's an absolute joy to see it here in its home county.

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-Yeah, didn't travel too far.

-No.

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When a beautiful box comes to the table, I get very excited

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about what could be inside, so I'm going to open it and reveal

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what looks like a book, because I'm going to turn it round here now and

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you might think, "What's a jewellery specialist doing with a book?"

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But, in fact, it opens out

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to reveal it as a bracelet.

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Now tell me, how did you come to have this?

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Well, it was given to me when I was quite young.

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It was my great-grandmother's, and it has her name on it.

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Well, this is what I love, is that, especially in the Victorian period,

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they loved novelty jewels and this is absolutely quintessentially that.

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It's absolutely exquisite.

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I just love the chasing and the engraving and the piercing.

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And what did you think when you saw this?

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I don't really remember the first time I saw it.

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I was quite young, but I've always loved it and treasured it.

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And you've appreciated the work that's gone into this.

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-Absolutely.

-I mean this is all hand-done.

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All hand-pierced, which I just think is just fabulous, you know,

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to have a little tiny saw to saw all these pieces,

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I can assure you is no mean feat.

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It's got this blue enamel

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and that would indicate to me that it

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would be around about 1840-1845, that sort of period.

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-Right, OK.

-And with these half pearls on the spine of the book, it would

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be about sort of 15 carat gold.

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Do you wear it?

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I have done. It was my "something old" on my wedding day.

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Oh, really?

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Yes, but sadly it's a little neat now.

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It is actually just... I think it might have had a change,

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because it's a bit small

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-and another panel could have been taken out.

-Ah, OK.

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But the fact that usually, when something like this is named,

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it sort of limits its appeal,

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but I think "May" - well, that's a lovely May month -

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-so I think that wouldn't be of too much detriment to the piece.

-OK.

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And I would say at auction you would be

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looking in the region of about £2,000 to £3,000.

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That's very nice, except it's not going anywhere.

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Not going anywhere, no. Good.

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So, this looks very like you.

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No, it's actually in fact my grandmother.

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-Hello.

-Hello.

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-And it was done in 1942.

-'42, that's correct.

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-In the middle of the war.

-That's right, yes.

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By an Italian artist called De Gennaro.

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That's correct, yes.

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-Did you know him well?

-Not really, no.

-No.

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I was just introduced to him

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and he decided to do my portrait and that's how it happened to be done.

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-He thought you'd make a good sitter, obviously.

-Obviously.

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And so are you granddaughter?

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-Yes.

-I see. And Mum in the background here?

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-In the background, yes.

-It is extraordinary,

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it's a bit like that Oscar Wilde story

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The Picture of Dorian Gray, you know, when generations age but the

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portrait stays fresh, and then it's turned around and here you are.

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Younger still than here, it seems.

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It's drawn in pastel, isn't it?

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Drawn in pastel.

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-Now, portraitists often do this.

-Yes.

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Because pastel is something they can work in much more quickly

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and that means they can turn out a portrait in...how long did it take?

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I think it took quite a few hours, you know.

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I was sitting for about three weeks at two hours a day.

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It was quite a while, you know.

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-Ah, well he took his time.

-Yes.

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There are other pastel portraitists who can turn it out in an hour.

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Extraordinary, isn't it?

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-It would have taken months to do an oil painting.

-Exactly.

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-What's going on here? Is that your husband?

-That's my husband.

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-And when was that done?

-That was done two years before this portrait.

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-I see, and did he...?

-1940.

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Did your husband pay for this to be done?

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He did, yes, eventually.

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LAUGHTER

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He was obviously very charming. He's got a lovely smile, your husband.

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-Yes, he had, very nice.

-That's very good.

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So how were you feeling when this was done?

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You look rather sort of frozen cold, actually.

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Yes, I wasn't too happy doing this.

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I was just doing it because

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everybody said, "You must have it done."

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So I just went and said, "All right," but I wasn't too happy.

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I thought, I didn't know whether to smile or not

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and then I decided not to smile.

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Oh, dear. Well, you're a good smiler, it's a shame.

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Now, he's not a well known artist.

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Not really, I think he just came during the war,

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and that's what happened. He was probably more French than Italian.

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It sounds like it. I nonetheless

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think it's rather a good portrait in its way.

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You do look as though you've got other things to do, though,

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-in the painting.

-Yes, that's right.

-I have to say.

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Yes, I think so.

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Now, I would say that this portrait, if it was to come

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on the market would probably only be worth about £1,000 to £1,500.

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Oh, yes, but it's not really the worth of it, you know.

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It's just a family piece, and you know...

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-It means so much more to a family.

-More, much more.

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-Thank you.

-Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much indeed, thank you.

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I love it when people bring chairs on to the Antiques Roadshow

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because every chair tells a story.

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Do you have a story?

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It's been in my husband's family for a long time.

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His grandfather had it, gave it to his father,

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and he gave it to us, but we really don't know what all that is about.

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Do you have a history of this being in Ireland?

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Yes, I would assume it has always been in Ireland, yes.

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-Right. Because I think it's been moved over from Scotland.

-Oh.

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Probably as part of the Plantation Movement.

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Yes, the date would fit, yes.

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1681, a lot of Scottish Presbyterians came over to Ireland,

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mainly in the north, to be settled and given land to work.

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Not very politically correct today, but it was what happened,

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it's part of the history,

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and I believe part of this chair's history,

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which makes it very important.

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It's a really unusual chair

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but there are some in the Trades Hospice

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in Trinity - Trinity House,

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I think it's called - in Aberdeen.

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Oh, really?

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With different types of trades carved onto the back.

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And there are some, I believe, in Belfast as well.

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Really?

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Which were always thought to be Irish.

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-But I'm sorry to disappoint Irish viewers, they're all Scottish.

-Oh.

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It probably came into the east coast of Scotland,

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ie Aberdeen, probably from Sweden, in the 17th century.

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It's absolutely right that date. And when you think how

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many of these dates are completely wrong on furniture.

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But what I'm absolutely fascinated by is this hammer.

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I mean, is there a guild called The Guild of Hammermen?

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-I don't think so.

-I don't know.

-I don't.

-I just don't know.

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But just look for a minute at the detail. You've got this

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hammer here with a metal head and then it looks like four fins

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where it's been...the handle's been solidly pinned or riveted in.

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And just there, a little hole there so he can just hang it up

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-when he's finished work at the end of the day.

-Oh, yes.

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This tells such a wonderful story.

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And it's basically...

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-and more or less in its entire original state.

-Good.

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I think it's a fascinating chair.

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You've had it for a long time.

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Do you value it highly?

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Value doesn't matter.

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It was curiosity, really, to find

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out what all that was about.

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I think that curiosity for this would put it in the region of...

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£2,000 to £3,000.

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Oh, really? Well I hope the family will keep it.

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That was always our intention, that it will go on down.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Wonderful group of spoons, but is there any history behind them?

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Unfortunately, I don't know.

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A friend of mine, they belong to her and she asked me to bring them.

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Now she knows they're old,

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but apart from that she doesn't know anything else about them.

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Right, well, they are a very exciting little group of spoons.

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First of all they're Irish, which is very nice.

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Secondly, if you look at these,

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-can you see how they come into a point there?

-Yes, yes.

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That is known as Irish Pointed Old English,

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but sometimes referred to as Celtic Point.

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Now most Irish silver you find was produced in Dublin,

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but if we look at what's happening here,

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-can you see we've got the maker's mark and then word "sterling"?

-Yes.

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Now in this case, these were actually made in Cork.

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-OK, yes.

-And Cork is very desirable.

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Now, normally when you come across serving spoons like this,

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you find literally just the plain bowl, as we've got with this one.

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But this, it only gets better.

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Yes, that's really unusual, isn't it?

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We've got that lovely strainer in the centre.

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There are all sorts of theories as to what that was used for.

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And of course date-wise we're looking at the of the 18th century.

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-That old?

-Oh yes, these are George III,

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about 1790-1800, that sort of date.

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-That's very old.

-Could just spill over into the early 19th century.

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All sorts of theories.

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Some people say it's for serving up peas -

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scoop it out, drain it, serve it.

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I'm not convinced by that.

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One of my favourite explanations - I don't know that it's true -

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is that it was actually for getting rid of maggots out of game.

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Oh, oh, dear.

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Well, maybe, maybe not.

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Then the six bright-cut ones, those we see again

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the "sterling" together with "CT" and that would be Carden Terry.

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-Oh, right.

-A very important Cork silversmith,

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really going into the 19th century, early 19th century.

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Difficult market at the moment.

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Right.

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But value-wise, the six spoons,

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those have got to be £150 - £200 each.

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Very good.

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The pair, because of the strainer,

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I'm going to say we're looking at somewhere around

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the £2,500 mark for the pair.

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Really? She'll be delighted. She'll be very surprised.

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-Right!

-But she'll be delighted.

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HE CHUCKLES

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-I've been a jewellery valuer for 39 years.

-Right.

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And I can truly say that in my experience I have never ever seen

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a box like this, and I've certainly never seen the contents like that.

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That is stupendous.

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In the world of antique jewellery,

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that is something special.

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I was given this by my mother-in-law, who sadly passed away,

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and she was a very theatrical person

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and she loved this sort of thing, and she would have worn these

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at the parties at Castle Coole and she gave it, very generously,

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to me, obviously before she died, and I've always treasured them.

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Novelty jewellery is a Victorian feature. You know,

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you get things modelled in the form of things - cats, dogs.

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-Yes.

-You get crystals painted in relief,

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you get things like this, but

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very, very rarely, first of all do you get something that is so perfect

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in its composition and colour and, for me, I think this is unique.

0:18:330:18:38

Do you think that they were in that case,

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or do you think that someone got hold of a bird's cage

0:18:400:18:43

and thought "I'll put the owls inside the cage"?

0:18:430:18:47

Because thinking about it, you don't tend to put owls in bird cages.

0:18:470:18:50

They've always, as far as we know in our family, been like that.

0:18:500:18:54

As far as the date of these is concerned,

0:18:540:18:56

around about 1865 to about sort of 1868

0:18:560:19:01

would be the right period for them.

0:19:010:19:04

That's when Victorian novelty jewellery really took off.

0:19:040:19:08

The birds themselves are beautifully coloured in brown

0:19:080:19:13

and coloured sort of enamel

0:19:130:19:15

to depict the feathers at the back.

0:19:150:19:19

Enamel decoration there,

0:19:190:19:21

realistically suggestive of tawny owls, I think.

0:19:210:19:25

Right, tawny owls.

0:19:250:19:26

The condition of them is generally speaking really very good.

0:19:260:19:31

There's a few little flakes of colour missing at the front,

0:19:310:19:34

but to be honest with you, I think that the damage is so minimal,

0:19:340:19:40

I don't think people would worry too much about it,

0:19:400:19:43

because I think from the point of view of buyers,

0:19:430:19:47

these are of paramount interest.

0:19:470:19:50

Naturalism, birds - which people love.

0:19:500:19:53

-Yes.

-The cage...

0:19:530:19:56

The box in itself.

0:19:560:19:58

You know, it's got such meaning and such personality.

0:19:580:20:01

I would like to think that if these ever came up at auction -

0:20:010:20:04

I'm sure you'd never sell them - but if they came up at auction,

0:20:040:20:08

someone would comfortably pay £3,000 for them.

0:20:080:20:11

Goodness.

0:20:110:20:14

I think they are so rare, they are fabulous.

0:20:140:20:18

Well it's very nice, you saying such lovely things about them

0:20:180:20:21

because I've always been very fond of them and I do wear them.

0:20:210:20:24

I'm just trying to think the last time I wore them and I think...

0:20:240:20:27

You'll be horrified to hear, it was at a Harry Potter fancy dress party.

0:20:270:20:32

We get some very unusual items on the Roadshow

0:20:530:20:57

but I think this is the first time we've ever actually had

0:20:570:20:59

a First World War cross from the battlefield.

0:20:590:21:03

-Now, this was your grandfather, I believe?

-Yes, it was, yes.

0:21:030:21:06

Tell me a little bit about him. You have a photograph of him there.

0:21:060:21:09

Yes. My grandfather, he was in the Battle of the Somme

0:21:090:21:13

and he was serving there, and he was hit by a shell.

0:21:130:21:18

It didn't explode but took both his legs off.

0:21:180:21:22

He was taken to a clearance station

0:21:220:21:25

and, obviously, he died,

0:21:250:21:28

and then this was a cross off his grave.

0:21:280:21:32

You've got another photograph, which I believe shows a different cross.

0:21:320:21:36

Yes.

0:21:360:21:38

So, this, I think, would have been the original cross

0:21:380:21:40

-erected by his comrades.

-Yes.

-After he died.

0:21:400:21:44

But these original crosses didn't survive for very long,

0:21:440:21:48

because what was called the Graves Registration Unit -

0:21:480:21:51

and you can see the GRU here -

0:21:510:21:54

they were responsible for replacing all of the crosses

0:21:540:21:57

with a uniform white cross, which this is one.

0:21:570:22:01

And so, after the First World War in the 1920s,

0:22:010:22:04

they had a massive programme of having to replace

0:22:040:22:07

all of the war graves crosses and they put these in.

0:22:070:22:11

But, after they'd erected these,

0:22:110:22:14

there was then an even bigger programme

0:22:140:22:16

to replace all of the war graves crosses with proper stone,

0:22:160:22:19

-um, stone headstones.

-Yes.

0:22:190:22:23

And so families were offered the chance to actually have

0:22:230:22:26

one of these crosses sent back to them, if they wished to do so.

0:22:260:22:30

Now I think most families said "No."

0:22:300:22:33

They regarded it as too sad or possibly too gruesome.

0:22:330:22:37

-Yes.

-In the instance of your family, they said, "Yes".

-Yes.

0:22:370:22:40

These were mass produced in their hundreds of thousands.

0:22:400:22:43

Well, Britain and the Commonwealth lost nearly a million men,

0:22:430:22:46

so you can imagine the quantities that were produced.

0:22:460:22:49

Um... But this is a very, very rare survivor and I think

0:22:490:22:53

what's rather poignant is, at the bottom of the cross,

0:22:530:22:56

-although it's protected with silver foil..

-Yeah.

0:22:560:22:58

..is the soil that was actually still clinging to it

0:22:580:23:01

-when it was pulled out.

-That's correct, yes.

0:23:010:23:03

And you've very sensibly tried to protect it.

0:23:030:23:06

It's an extremely unusual object.

0:23:060:23:08

In fact, it has virtually no collector's value as such.

0:23:080:23:12

-No.

-But absolutely priceless to the family

0:23:120:23:15

and also because you simply don't come across them.

0:23:150:23:19

Occasionally, you find them in churches,

0:23:190:23:21

and in memorial halls, but this is the first one

0:23:210:23:24

I've ever come across actually in private hands and it's wonderful.

0:23:240:23:27

Thank you very much for bringing it in.

0:23:270:23:29

You're welcome, yes. I wouldn't sell it anyway.

0:23:290:23:32

Good, I'm delighted to hear it.

0:23:320:23:34

Picture yourself in the year 1920-1925.

0:23:370:23:40

You've been invited to go to some function -

0:23:410:23:44

reception, dance, cocktail party, whatever it may be.

0:23:440:23:50

You've got to wear something that looks quite practical,

0:23:500:23:55

but makes a good impression.

0:23:550:23:56

And what we have in the box, I think,

0:23:580:24:00

services that need extremely well.

0:24:000:24:03

It's a brooch, set with a line of five white stones.

0:24:060:24:11

Tell me as much as you know about it.

0:24:110:24:14

It was my grandmother's and she left it to my father

0:24:140:24:16

and when my mother died, she left it to me, and I've always worn it.

0:24:160:24:21

I've worn it to dinner dances, I wore it in the back of my dress

0:24:210:24:24

when Lady Diana used to start that craze.

0:24:240:24:26

-Oh, right, so...

-Yeah, on the back.

0:24:260:24:29

So your grandmother would have worn it, you know, in 1925.

0:24:290:24:31

She would have worn it to dinner dances,

0:24:310:24:33

-my mum wore it and then I've been wearing it.

-Oh.

0:24:330:24:36

Did your mother give information regarding what it was,

0:24:360:24:39

anything about it?

0:24:390:24:41

Well, there's always been a family myth that my grandmother,

0:24:410:24:44

who built the Strand Hotel in Portstewart,

0:24:440:24:47

that most people knew about and went to for holidays

0:24:470:24:50

in Northern Ireland before package holidays were popular...

0:24:500:24:53

She was quite a wealthy woman, and the myth was

0:24:530:24:56

that she bought diamonds from landed gentry who were on their uppers.

0:24:560:25:00

I was always told by my father and my mother

0:25:000:25:02

that these diamonds probably were set into the bar by her,

0:25:020:25:05

they were diamonds that she had bought.

0:25:050:25:07

So they've been sourced from disparate, different sort of places?

0:25:070:25:11

I don't know if they're all from one person, if they're a match or not.

0:25:110:25:14

-I don't know anything about the diamonds themselves.

-Mm.

0:25:140:25:17

Well, first of all, let's just confirm exactly what they are,

0:25:170:25:20

-because they are diamonds.

-All right. Good!

0:25:200:25:22

So that's the first thing to reassure you about.

0:25:220:25:25

They're round brilliant-cut diamonds,

0:25:250:25:27

they're all period-cut stones.

0:25:270:25:30

Now, the thing about them is that they're awfully large.

0:25:300:25:34

Yes, we always thought maybe they would make five nice solitaire rings.

0:25:340:25:38

-Solitaire rings.

-Yeah, more practical.

-One for each finger!

0:25:380:25:42

It's worth going through the weights of these stones.

0:25:420:25:44

1.25 carats,

0:25:460:25:49

1.25 carats, 1.25 carats,

0:25:490:25:54

1.25 carats,

0:25:540:25:56

one and three-quarter carats.

0:25:560:25:58

So that's mine in the middle, for my ring!

0:25:580:26:01

Shall we run through the values individually,

0:26:010:26:04

to give you an idea of what the value of this brooch,

0:26:040:26:06

as a composition, would be, that you wear?

0:26:060:26:09

This one here, £2,500 by itself.

0:26:140:26:18

£2,500, £2,500,

0:26:180:26:23

£2,500.

0:26:230:26:24

That's £10,000 for the four small stones,

0:26:240:26:28

then you've got the big one in the middle.

0:26:280:26:30

And the big one in the middle is slightly off colour

0:26:300:26:33

so I'm going to be a little bit cautious on that,

0:26:330:26:35

it's a disappointing £3,000.

0:26:350:26:38

In other words, your brooch - line of diamonds -

0:26:380:26:41

is worth £13,000 to £16,000.

0:26:410:26:45

Now, don't forget, that's what you can sell it for -

0:26:450:26:50

and you have to bear in mind that for insurance purposes,

0:26:500:26:52

you'd be looking at the best part of £25,000 to £30,000 for it.

0:26:520:26:57

Ooh, better get it insured!

0:26:570:26:59

You might consider that.

0:26:590:27:01

It is a sparkling, spectacular, fabulous diamond line brooch.

0:27:010:27:07

Thank you. Lovely, thank you.

0:27:070:27:08

-Congratulations.

-Thank you.

0:27:080:27:11

At first glance, a rather undistinguished

0:27:130:27:16

piece of white porcelain, flat white porcelain.

0:27:160:27:19

What's the family history?

0:27:190:27:21

Well, the family history is,

0:27:210:27:23

-it was given to me 20 years ago by an aunt.

-Right.

0:27:230:27:27

I thought it was quite pretty,

0:27:270:27:28

but there's something special about it and magical about it.

0:27:280:27:32

There is indeed, and we are looking at in ambient light,

0:27:320:27:35

in other words, the light is coming in and it's bouncing off

0:27:350:27:38

and what we see is an image of a lady wearing a turban, and her hand.

0:27:380:27:44

But this is a very special process,

0:27:440:27:46

a ceramic process invented in the mid-19th century

0:27:460:27:49

and it transforms utterly when you hold it up against the light.

0:27:490:27:53

CROWD GASPS

0:27:530:27:55

That is fantastic.

0:27:550:27:58

Mm-hm. It's beautiful

0:27:580:28:00

It's absolutely beautiful.

0:28:000:28:01

And your aunt, did she actually have it hanging up in a window?

0:28:010:28:05

She didn't, but when I was in possession of it,

0:28:050:28:08

I put it up to the window and I could see the glory of it then.

0:28:080:28:11

But I didn't have the appropriate place to put it up, so I just put it in my wardrobe.

0:28:110:28:15

But it was a younger sister who thought it was worth looking at.

0:28:150:28:18

These were very, very popular in the mid-19th century.

0:28:180:28:20

-They were called lithophanes...

-Yes.

0:28:200:28:22

..which means a light-revealing stone,

0:28:220:28:26

-because it has a sort of stony look.

-Yes.

0:28:260:28:29

-And the place you put them, was in the windows.

-The window.

0:28:290:28:32

Sometimes you could even make lamps of them.

0:28:320:28:34

Fantastic detail and it's one of the best lithophanes I've seen.

0:28:340:28:38

They were basically sold to people going abroad,

0:28:380:28:41

they were basically souvenirs.

0:28:410:28:43

She did travel a lot.

0:28:430:28:44

She would have been a lady who would have travelled quite a bit.

0:28:440:28:47

I don't know the origin...

0:28:470:28:48

If you went to a foreign gallery in Munich, for example,

0:28:480:28:51

you might want a copy of one of the masterpieces in the gallery

0:28:510:28:54

and that's a relatively inexpensive way

0:28:540:28:56

of getting one of those copies back home.

0:28:560:28:59

Don't often see them.

0:28:590:29:01

The most celebrated manufacturer is usually considered to be

0:29:010:29:05

KPM Berlin and there could be a mark underneath the frame.

0:29:050:29:09

If there is, it's likely to be Berlin.

0:29:090:29:12

-Value - somewhere around £200 to £300.

-Mm-hm.

0:29:120:29:16

Great thing.

0:29:160:29:18

Well, in the early 20th century,

0:29:220:29:24

Diaghilev's Ballets Russes was taking the world by storm.

0:29:240:29:28

He produced this new way of theatre, of ballet,

0:29:280:29:31

from theatrical costumes to these wonderful dancers.

0:29:310:29:35

And the impact of his whole performance was felt everywhere -

0:29:350:29:39

from costumes, to textiles, to sculpture, to porcelain.

0:29:390:29:44

And this, for me, just reeks of everything to do with Diaghilev,

0:29:440:29:48

and to do with the Ballets Russes.

0:29:480:29:49

But tell me, how do come to be in possession of such a wonderful object?

0:29:490:29:53

Well, it belonged to my mother's aunt and uncle,

0:29:530:29:57

who lived in San Francisco

0:29:570:29:59

and at the outbreak of the Second World War,

0:29:590:30:02

after my mother's uncle died,

0:30:020:30:05

her aunt and cousin came back to Northern Ireland,

0:30:050:30:08

but, of course, they couldn't come directly,

0:30:080:30:11

so they had to come through... They flew to Portugal and then overland

0:30:110:30:17

up through Europe, into Ireland and so into Northern Ireland.

0:30:170:30:22

And it's just been in the family, and I recently was given it.

0:30:220:30:27

-So they were there in the '20s, during that period.

-They were, yeah.

0:30:270:30:30

You wonder whether it had been bought there. Well...

0:30:300:30:33

I really don't know.

0:30:330:30:34

Well, interestingly it MAY have been bought there,

0:30:340:30:37

-but it certainly wasn't MADE there.

-Right.

0:30:370:30:40

We've got to come right back across the Atlantic

0:30:400:30:42

and go back into Europe. In fact, we've got to go into Germany,

0:30:420:30:45

we've got to go into Thuringia and we have to go to one of the smaller

0:30:450:30:50

but good sort of Volkstedt factories that were working at that time.

0:30:500:30:55

And they were actually a firm

0:30:550:30:56

that were producing this kind of ware at this kind of period.

0:30:560:30:59

And if we move just round here,

0:30:590:31:02

we have got quite a little complex mark,

0:31:020:31:05

a crown and some interlaced characters there,

0:31:050:31:08

and this is for a firm called Aelteste Volkstedter.

0:31:080:31:11

And, basically, this is typical of their sort of work

0:31:110:31:15

and they're looking across at other factories of the time

0:31:150:31:18

and they're looking at what other people are doing,

0:31:180:31:21

and if you look at the movement and the dance and the pose,

0:31:210:31:24

I mean, it is very sort of balletic, isn't it?

0:31:240:31:26

It's lovely, yes.

0:31:260:31:27

And so when she brought this back, did it go in the hold then,

0:31:270:31:30

-did it get packed up with all their possessions?

-It absolutely did not, no.

0:31:300:31:35

My mother's aunt insisted on having it with her all of the time,

0:31:350:31:39

so she nursed it the whole way.

0:31:390:31:41

Wow! Well, what a long journey it's had and I think

0:31:410:31:44

because it has got that wonderful essence

0:31:440:31:46

of the 1920s and that lovely elegant feel,

0:31:460:31:49

it's a kind of figure that sort of exudes romanticism.

0:31:490:31:53

And I think because of that,

0:31:530:31:54

I think people would actually find it incredibly appealing.

0:31:540:31:57

So to go out and replace this today, I think you're going to look

0:31:570:32:02

at a price tag somewhere between £800 and £1,200 for it.

0:32:020:32:06

My goodness!

0:32:080:32:09

It's a wonderful thing and I'm glad that she nursed it all the way home.

0:32:090:32:12

-Thank you.

-It's lovely, thank you.

-Thank you very much.

0:32:120:32:15

We've had a very interesting day here at Castle Coole, to say the least.

0:32:160:32:21

We've had one or two very dubious items - dare I say "fakes".

0:32:210:32:25

Nice one.

0:32:260:32:28

What can you tell me about this?

0:32:280:32:30

I bought it about 14 years ago

0:32:300:32:33

and I have a small collection of sculpture

0:32:330:32:36

and the price I paid for it was quite reasonable,

0:32:360:32:40

but after buying it, within six to eight months,

0:32:400:32:45

the dealer came back to me and offered me

0:32:450:32:47

four times the money that I paid for it.

0:32:470:32:50

It has been sitting on its stand at home, you know, for years

0:32:500:32:55

and I've often wondered,

0:32:550:32:56

why did he come back and offer me more money for it,

0:32:560:32:59

so the question I'm asking you is,

0:32:590:33:01

is it genuine and what it's worth?

0:33:010:33:04

So he feels he made a mistake, does he?

0:33:040:33:06

I've no idea, but I was dubious when he came back.

0:33:060:33:09

-Let's talk for a second about it before I pronounce on it.

-Right.

0:33:090:33:14

Well, you know, Antoine Louis Barye,

0:33:140:33:17

-one of the greatest French sculptors of the Animalier School.

-Right.

0:33:170:33:20

Started about 1840 and his work was very, very popular indeed.

0:33:200:33:25

This is the Lion Et Serpent - Lion And Serpent -

0:33:250:33:28

a very well known model.

0:33:280:33:29

And he made a lot of things in his own studio

0:33:290:33:33

-and then a lot of things were made posthumously.

-Right.

0:33:330:33:36

-And well into the 20th century.

-Right.

0:33:360:33:39

In fact, there was a whole group of fakes of his

0:33:390:33:41

and other animal bronze sculptures done in Paris in the 1960s

0:33:410:33:45

and a certain gentleman went to jail for doing them.

0:33:450:33:47

Really? OK.

0:33:470:33:49

-So, I have to make a pronouncement.

-Right.

0:33:490:33:53

Is this right, or is it wrong?

0:33:540:33:56

It's 100% genuine.

0:33:580:34:00

Very good, I'm pleased with that.

0:34:000:34:03

Now we have to value it.

0:34:040:34:05

I love the colour, it's that nice green patination that Barye liked.

0:34:050:34:09

It doesn't have a lot of the bells and whistles that you want,

0:34:090:34:12

like the caster's marks and, that Barye also put on, the Barbedienne foundry,

0:34:120:34:17

so I think it's relatively late, could be even 1900.

0:34:170:34:21

-Really? OK.

-Yeah, so I think it's posthumous.

0:34:210:34:24

So you paid a "reasonable" price.

0:34:240:34:26

Is it dangerous of me to ask you what you paid for it?

0:34:260:34:30

I paid about 3,000.

0:34:300:34:31

-3,000 - and you call that reasonable?

-Yeah.

0:34:310:34:35

Then the dealer came back

0:34:350:34:37

-and offered you three or four times more.

-Yes.

0:34:370:34:40

-Well, I think you should have taken it.

-Really?

0:34:420:34:45

But I'm wondering, in real life, whether he actually would have

0:34:450:34:49

-paid you £9,000 - £12,000 for it.

-Right.

0:34:490:34:52

I think, today, it's worth certainly between £5,000 and £6,000.

0:34:520:34:57

That's not bad, not bad. It's good.

0:34:570:35:00

Phew, it's genuine.

0:35:020:35:04

HE LAUGHS Very good, thank you.

0:35:040:35:06

We were really hoping we were going to see some Irish pictures today,

0:35:090:35:12

and here they are with a vengeance.

0:35:120:35:14

They're absolutely lovely and they're by Harry Epworth Allen,

0:35:140:35:17

done in 1942 and 1943.

0:35:170:35:20

And where are they of?

0:35:200:35:22

They're scenes from Achill Island,

0:35:220:35:25

which is off the coast of County Mayo.

0:35:250:35:28

It's on the west coast of Ireland.

0:35:280:35:30

I see, and this one's got a big mountain in the background,

0:35:300:35:34

-what's that?

-Yes, that's - as far as I know - that's called Slievemore,

0:35:340:35:37

and the village here, I think, is the village of Keel on Achill Island.

0:35:370:35:43

They've been in the family home since I've been a child

0:35:430:35:47

and no-one in the family knows whether they're prints

0:35:470:35:51

or whether they were originals.

0:35:510:35:53

In fact, they ARE originals, but they're in egg tempera.

0:35:530:35:57

-Now do you know what that is?

-No.

0:35:570:35:59

-Well, you know you can mix watercolour with just water...

-Yes.

0:35:590:36:02

..and you can mix it with thickening agents of all kinds,

0:36:020:36:04

and one of the things you can mix it with is the yolk of an egg,

0:36:040:36:07

a chicken's egg, and it actually works extremely well

0:36:070:36:11

because it gives a lovely translucent look to the colours

0:36:110:36:15

and that's what we're seeing here, painted on boards.

0:36:150:36:17

This lovely sort of pastel effect that you get

0:36:170:36:20

-is typical of egg tempera.

-I see.

0:36:200:36:23

-And each of them is dated on the back, '42 and '43.

-Yes.

0:36:230:36:27

This is just at the time when Harry Epworth Allen

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was just beginning to take up tempera

0:36:300:36:32

as part of what you might call the British tempera revival.

0:36:320:36:35

-I see.

-And did your family know the artist?

0:36:350:36:38

No, I didn't... I don't think so.

0:36:380:36:41

I think the only reason that they're in the house is because my mother

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was from County Galway and, when we were children,

0:36:460:36:49

she brought the family twice to Achill Island

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for a holiday in the summertime, and...

0:36:520:36:55

-So it had fond memories for the family.

-That's right.

0:36:550:36:57

So they bought these.

0:36:570:36:59

Well, that's the only conclusion that the family have come to.

0:36:590:37:02

Well, he also... He was such an interesting man,

0:37:020:37:05

he was a bit of a war hero.

0:37:050:37:07

In the First War, he won the military medal and lost his leg,

0:37:070:37:10

and so he was invalided really for the rest of his life,

0:37:100:37:14

and he worked for quite a long time

0:37:140:37:17

as Arthur Balfour's private secretary.

0:37:170:37:20

Now, Arthur Balfour was, of course, the British Prime Minister,

0:37:200:37:23

-but his money came from a steel works in Sheffield.

-I see.

0:37:230:37:27

And that is where Harry Epworth Allen came from - Sheffield.

0:37:270:37:31

-He was a Yorkshireman.

-Oh, I see.

0:37:310:37:32

And part of the Yorkshire Group of artists,

0:37:320:37:34

but he went to Ireland quite a lot.

0:37:340:37:36

I mean, if you look, they're heavily stylised with simplified forms

0:37:360:37:40

for the sides of the gable ends of the houses,

0:37:400:37:42

and it's almost abstracted, isn't it?

0:37:420:37:45

And the dry stone wall is rather... Almost surreal,

0:37:450:37:49

-the way it's painted, don't you think?

-Yes.

0:37:490:37:51

These people, I suppose they're cutting peat?

0:37:510:37:53

Yes, stacking the turf.

0:37:530:37:54

And these mounds - yes, stacking the turf -

0:37:540:37:56

-and these mounds are turfs.

-That's right.

0:37:560:37:58

-To keep the buildings warm in the winter.

-Sure.

0:37:580:38:00

You're thrilled I hope to hear that they're originals.

0:38:000:38:03

Oh, yes! Oh yes, indeed, that's great, yes.

0:38:030:38:05

And so I suppose, with all that talk, you've not really known

0:38:050:38:08

-whether they were valuable or not.

-No.

0:38:080:38:11

Well, in fact, they are valuable.

0:38:110:38:14

They're worth between, well, £6,000 or £7,000 each.

0:38:140:38:18

My goodness!

0:38:180:38:20

CROWD GASPS AND LAUGHS

0:38:200:38:25

That's telling you, that's wonderful. Yes.

0:38:250:38:28

Well, modern British pictures

0:38:280:38:30

-are very, very sought after at the moment.

-Yes.

0:38:300:38:32

And he was another one of these strange British artists

0:38:320:38:36

who had a unique vision of things and that's what people like,

0:38:360:38:40

they like that individuality, that eccentricity

0:38:400:38:43

and that determination to go your own way

0:38:430:38:46

-and see things with your own vision.

-OK.

0:38:460:38:48

They're very beautiful.

0:38:480:38:50

Now, I know there are earlier compacts

0:38:530:38:55

and, in fact, you've got some of them here,

0:38:550:38:57

-but, to me, the glory days are Art Deco.

-Yes.

0:38:570:39:01

And I love these Art Deco compacts. What got you started?

0:39:010:39:06

Well, I got married in 1973

0:39:060:39:08

and I had to go to auction to buy some furniture.

0:39:080:39:12

One of the things that I bought was a box

0:39:120:39:14

for five quid, in those days,

0:39:140:39:16

and in it was an Art Deco compact

0:39:160:39:19

which had the most glorious powder puff

0:39:190:39:23

and I fell, instantly, madly in love

0:39:230:39:26

and I've just gone from bad to worse.

0:39:260:39:28

-I mean, these are just sensational, look at the styling!

-Thank you.

0:39:280:39:31

This is everything of Art Deco -

0:39:310:39:33

there's the power, the speed, the excitement.

0:39:330:39:36

I mean, women were going through a very interesting change time

0:39:360:39:39

at that, you know, at that period.

0:39:390:39:41

They were into, I mean, real...

0:39:410:39:43

the sort of make-up, smoking, drinking, having fun.

0:39:430:39:46

-Like today.

-Exactly the same,

0:39:460:39:49

which is obviously why you've got into this.

0:39:490:39:51

And which is your favourite?

0:39:510:39:53

I mean, I know which my favourite is, I've decided, but...

0:39:530:39:56

-OK, that one, probably.

-This one?

0:39:560:39:59

Yes, yes, I think it's very special,

0:39:590:40:02

the workmanship in it is absolutely exquisite.

0:40:020:40:04

Well, you're right.

0:40:040:40:06

Well, this one would be my favourite, I think that's exquisite.

0:40:060:40:10

I mean, the styling of it, but also the Deco ones.

0:40:100:40:14

And this one here, this is a beautiful little thing

0:40:140:40:18

and inside it has its original bill of sale.

0:40:180:40:26

-"Theodore Foster, silversmiths, one vanity case, 1921."

-Yeah.

0:40:260:40:33

50. I mean, that is a phenomenal sum of money for a little vanity.

0:40:330:40:38

-Isn't it?

-But, of course, these were luxury goods.

0:40:380:40:41

This one, I love, the fact that you can...

0:40:410:40:43

This is your digital diary of today.

0:40:430:40:46

That's, yes, that's 1950s, that one.

0:40:460:40:49

So you decided when you went to your hairdresser and...

0:40:490:40:51

-Yeah.

-..and all the rest of it.

0:40:510:40:53

You certainly couldn't lose it in your handbag

0:40:530:40:55

because it's so big.

0:40:550:40:56

Come on then, how many have you got? Admit to it.

0:40:560:40:59

-OK, in front of witnesses, about 500.

-About 500.

0:40:590:41:03

And that is a small collection

0:41:030:41:04

because I belong to the British Compact Collectors Society

0:41:040:41:08

and there's ladies who have thousands.

0:41:080:41:11

It is a bit of an addiction.

0:41:110:41:12

Could we use "a love affair"?

0:41:120:41:14

-A love affair.

-I like... a love affair's good.

0:41:140:41:16

-A love affair with compacts.

-Yeah, a love affair.

0:41:160:41:18

OK, we have to look at them as a collection

0:41:180:41:21

and some of these are very, very special indeed.

0:41:210:41:25

Now, I know what it's like as a collector

0:41:250:41:27

because you don't often add up your whole collection

0:41:270:41:30

and work out how much it's worth, or even how much you spent on it.

0:41:300:41:34

But I'm looking at some of these compacts here

0:41:340:41:36

and I see some of them at £300 to £400,

0:41:360:41:39

maybe some at £500,

0:41:390:41:40

some a little bit less, obviously, but you've got 500.

0:41:400:41:44

-Ish, ish.

-Ish.

0:41:440:41:46

That's a bit... Well, if we just take the 500

0:41:460:41:49

and we say an average of £200.

0:41:490:41:52

OK, you'd better do the maths.

0:41:520:41:54

That adds up to maybe £100,000.

0:41:540:41:58

Ohhh! Oh, my goodness!

0:41:580:42:02

CROWD LAUGHS

0:42:020:42:04

I can see my daughters' digital clocks ticking immediately.

0:42:040:42:08

-They now love them.

-Oh, absolutely.

0:42:080:42:11

-"We've always liked them, Mum!"

-They will always polish them.

0:42:110:42:14

CROWD LAUGHS

0:42:140:42:16

£100,000!

0:42:160:42:18

You won't see that too often on the Roadshow!

0:42:180:42:20

Well, it's been a day of fascinating revelations here at Castle Coole.

0:42:200:42:24

Until next time, from all the Roadshow team, bye-bye.

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