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Today we're in the bustling city centre of Exeter, | 0:00:01 | 0:00:03 | |
and tucked away, just off the high street, is this beautiful green. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
And from Roman bathhouse to Saxon monastery to Gothic cathedral, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
it's been at the heart of the city's history for 2,000 years. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow from Exeter Cathedral in Devon. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
Walking through Exeter Cathedral, it's wonderfully calm and serene, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
but cathedrals weren't always the quiet, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
reverential places we expect today. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
This hush is a relatively modern Victorian invention. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:23 | |
Before then, as the biggest building right in the heart of the city, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
the cathedral was a noisy community space that attracted | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
all sorts of characters. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
For centuries the clergy had to deal with people shooting birds | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
nesting in the walls, ball games that broke windows, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
cutpurses and pick-pockets stealing from worshippers. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Even a murder. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
It wasn't just people that were a problem. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Behind that door is where the dog whipper lived. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
His job was to round up all the stray dogs that would | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
wander around the cathedral every day. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
He would look down from his window, from his room up there, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
and if he saw any, he'd be straight down to shoo them out. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
And this is what he used, the dog whipper's staff, poor things. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
It's still used today, but only for ceremonial purposes | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
and it's carried by the verger during services. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
The cathedral had another unusual employee on the books, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
to deal with a different animal problem and help keep time. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
This wonderful astronomical clock was fitted in 1484 and behind here, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
rodents would nibble away at the ropes of the clock's inner workings, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
no doubt attracted by the animal fat which was used as a lubricant. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
So a little hole was cut into the door leading to the clock workings, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
so a cat could get in and catch the mice. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
The cat was even listed as a member of the cathedral staff | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
and had a regular salary. A penny a week. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
And that's Tom, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
who lost an eye in a fight with an owl for a rat in the cathedral. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
He looks quite fierce, but apparently he was a real pussy cat. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
Outside, our experts are ready for their challenging but somewhat | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
safer task of inspecting all the items brought along by our visitors. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
But you know, don't wait for our experts to | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
give their valuations, why don't you have a go with our valuation game. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
Just press red on your remote control, or you can | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
play along with our app on your smartphone or on your tablet. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
It really is a very unusual clock. Do you like it? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
I love it, absolutely love it. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Do you know where it was made? Have you any idea about it at all? | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
No, only that it was left to my godmother | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
by an uncle who lived in Bond Street, I believe owned | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
a property at Bond Street years ago, that's all I know. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
Well, that would make sense because this was a wealthy man's object. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:59 | |
In the loose sense of the word, a carriage clock. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
So let's see if we can have any sort of ideas as to who might have | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
made it, and we are helped very much. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
On the bottom there it says "Tiffany & Co" | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
and it says "Sterling silver" | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
and it says 925 parts of 1,000 silver. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
So, do you know much about Tiffany? | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
Um, only sort of, you know, the obvious Tiffany jewellery and... | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
Exactly, well, Tiffany was given by his father a chunk of money | 0:04:29 | 0:04:35 | |
in the 19th century and started producing all sorts of goodies. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
This is absolutely typical of the output of Tiffany from 1895 to 1905. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:48 | |
Top of the range, it's a cracking good thing, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
the sort of product that they would have had manufactured for the | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
US market, because remember they had outlets then in Paris | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
-and in Regent Street, London. -Oh. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
I mean, we've got these wonderful pineapple finials, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
they really are lovely, and then running down here, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
this is all, of course, solid silver. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
We've got these little cherubs | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
gambolling around in this scene, and then on the sides we've got musical | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
trophies, the whole thing with four free-standing fluted columns. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:21 | |
And the movement of the clock is French throughout, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
but under there, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
bit of a giveaway, "Tiffany & Co, New York". | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Just looking at the movement, it's probably going to be | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
one of the better makers, somebody like Drocourt. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
And you might or might not have noticed the two gongs | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
and three hammers. Do you know what they do? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
No! Oh, it chimes, but I've never heard it. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
-You've never heard it?! -No. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
-Shall we just have a quick listen to that? -Ooh, yes, please. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
So the easiest thing to do is just move it on, so here we go. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
CLOCK CHIMES | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Do you hear that? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
-Yes. -Just starting to do the hours. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
CLOCK CHIMES | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
And then having finished the hours, it will do the quarters, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
-ding dong, ding dong. -Oh. -Let's see if it does. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
CLOCK CHIMES There we go. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
-Oh. -Where's this been for the last eight years? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
-In a cupboard! -If I'm going to tell you the price, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I want you to promise me you'll get it out of that cupboard, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
-maybe have it cleaned and overhauled, and use it. -Right. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
-Promise me and then I'll tell you the price. -Yes, I promise. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
OK, at auction in that state, it's going to fetch between £5,000 | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
-and £8,000. -Oh. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
So it's worth spending a few hundred pounds to have the movement cleaned. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
-Right. -You've made the promise, now use it, please. -Right, will do. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:46 | |
To have a box dated 1693, I'm trying not to be jealous. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
You must have done your research. What did you find out? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Well, we don't know very much about it. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
It belongs to my father-in-law, who received from his Auntie Ethel. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
She used to keep pins and buttons in it and she lived in North Wales, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
and other than that, we don't really know much about it. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
And you've never done any checking out? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
No, no, I haven't. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
This, to me, is just as pretty as it comes. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
It's not particularly well made, it's naive, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
but the construction of it is charming. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
I mean, "For you, the best is not too good." | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
It's such, it just couldn't be nicer, in my view. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
Whether it's for tobacco, I don't know, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
They're usually called tobacco boxes | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
but I just think they're sweetheart boxes just for general use. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
But dated 1693. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
I mean, do you know what the construction is made of? | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Well, I don't, that's what I wanted to find out. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Any guesses? You must have. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Well, my husband thought it might be whale bone, but I've no idea. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
-Not whale bone. -Right. -Unless it's a rare whale with horns. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
-It's made of horn. -Ah, right. -So, and you can see here | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
and some people confuse it with ivory or marine ivory, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
-i.e. walrus tusks. -Yes. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
But this is horn, and horn has this very sort of distinctive, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
you know, shading almost. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
But someone at some point has been cheeky because here, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
-this started off life as WL. -Yes. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
-And they've changed it to WB. -Yes. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
But all that, to me, adds to it. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
-1693 in the reign of William and Mary. -Yes. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
This pique work round the border here, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
someone has really taken the time and it's really quite rare. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
-I mean, I think easily £500. -Gosh, lovely, right. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
-For that bit. -Oh, right. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
Another thousand for that bit. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Oh, really?! | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
-£1,500 all day long. -Right. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
-Because that is stunning. Thank you. -Thank you, thank you very much. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
So, when I see an object like this, it's almost like it's opening | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
a door to real history, you know, this is not an abstract. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
This, to me, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
takes me in to Nicholas Cornock, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
who was clearly alive in 1726. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Ooh, it gives me little goose bumps, it really, really does. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
-So who was he? -As far as I can determine, I believe, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
a family of wine merchants in Somerset, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
but I haven't been able to find out any more information yet. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Wine merchants. Mostly the seals are owners, owners of the bottle. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
When Pepys records having seen his own bottles filled at the Mitre | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
Tavern in 1663, he observes that "They had my name wrote upon them." | 0:09:42 | 0:09:48 | |
So, I suspect that wine merchant is feasible, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
but I think it's a private owner. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:53 | |
-So how does it come into your life? -Handed down from my grandparents. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
Oh, lovely. Let's examine the bottle itself. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
What happened is that the bottle first appears, the English bottle, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
melted on coal furnaces which gave it the edge, it was a hard glass, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
harder than ever previously made anywhere in the world. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
This was a major breakthrough. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
That bottle, the first one, was almost spherical, a globe, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
but it had the tendency to fall over, so in a design progression, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
what happened is that it grew a big bottom for stability. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
-Like a ship's decanter. -Precisely, like a ship's decanter. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
The other notable thing about it is this flange here, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
this disc of glass which is called the string rim. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
This is pre-cork, so wooden wedges were used | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
so they'd drive a wooden wedge in there, bash, bash, bash, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
and then hold it in by getting some sail, or wagon cloth. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
You placed it over and then you tied | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
it down against the string rim. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
And then, when you came to open this bottle, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
first of all you removed the string, then you took away the cloth. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
The way you got this out, was you got this thing like a nail, and you | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
drove the nail into the stopper, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
as it were, made of wood probably, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
and you prised it out, and that's | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
why they're invariably chipped. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Look at that, chipped in one area. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
That's evidence, not of somebody careless later in time, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
but absolutely contemporaneous. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
And that actually doesn't affect the value, because it is fully | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
expected, and if it hasn't got one, you start asking why. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
So, these things are collected and what's happened is that | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
fine wine drinkers are the collectors of them. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
They're very sought after and an example like this, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
a really classic example, without a seal, for instance, this would be | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
£300 or £400, £500, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
but you add the seal, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
name and date, oh, you know, that's the full packet, you know, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
that's what they want and that propels its value | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
to between £2,500 and £3,500. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
And if you were to actually tie him down to an individual | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
living there, then, that's another grand on top. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
-So go and find out who he was. -I'll do my best. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
It's in your interest to do so. Good on ya. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
"Dear Sandra, thanks for your letter..." Are you Sandra? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
I am. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
And the letter is written, signed, by George Harrison, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
-how fabulous is that? -I'm hoping it's really him. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
Well, there's a whole lot of memorabilia in this one frame | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and it tells a really great story. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
First of all, I want to hear your story, which, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
is this a ticket that relates...? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
-Yeah. -OK, tell me how it goes. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
I went to boarding school in Cheltenham | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
and in the summer holidays in 1963 | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
I went to Llandudno, to see The Beatles, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
got back to school for the winter term and four of us | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
decided we were in love with them, and would write to them. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-Did you each have a different one? -Yes. -Oh, that's handy, then, yeah. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
So I, I was in love with George, yes, we all had a different one. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
I wrote to George and I enclosed a stamped addressed envelope, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
the others didn't. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
And I suppose it was about a week later that I got this back. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
So, let's have a look here. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
It tells a very interesting story, there's the letter, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
which we'll go into in just a second, there's | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
a page of signatures and there's the envelope to you at the Oriel School. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
Now describe the moment when that letter arrived at school. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
Very excited, there was crowds all round behind me and I took it out | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
and everybody screamed, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
and it was read out in assembly. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
It was read out in assembly?! | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
What, the letter was? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
It was quite exciting. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
Wonderful. Well, I mean, let's look at 1963 for The Beatles. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
By the time they had got to Llandudno on the 15th August | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
they'd done about 160 dates of concerts. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
A few days after this, the 23rd August, She Loves You | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
came out and then bang, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
suddenly everything went completely bonkers, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
if it hadn't been bonkers already. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
And then we have the letter, which is slightly interesting, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
because it says, "Thank you for your kind comments, ta. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
"I had a great time in America." | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
Now, you and I know that The Beatles didn't go to America | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
until 1964, February '64 they went to America. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
That's what I'm hoping you might tell me. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
Well, I can tell you something about George in America. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
He goes on to say, "I had a great time in America, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
"but I didn't like New York as much as I'd expected. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
"It's a big unfriendly and lonely kind of place." | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
George and his brother, Peter, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
went to America in September 1963 to visit his sister Louise in Illinois. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:04 | |
Wow. So... It's probably genuine, then. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
It's even more genuine than one would imagine, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
because it's actually mentioning something that actually very | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
few people outside the sort of real Beatle fans really know. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
And then it goes on, "I'm sorry I haven't got any photos with me, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
"so I'll just send you the note and autographs if you want them." | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
-Ha, ha, ha, as if you wouldn't. -Yeah. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
"Must go, love from George Harrison." | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
So there we have this great letter from George | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
and then we have the signatures. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
And I can tell you that I'm afraid the signatures are not | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
by The Beatles. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
They are by a Beatle. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
George signed them all. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
-How interesting. -And I tell you, it was, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
I'm led to believe it was George's party trick almost till | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
the day he died, that he could sit down and do everybody's signature. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
-Wow, that's pretty good, actually. -It's not bad, is it? | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
No, it's not bad. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
OK, so this is a valuation in two halves, really, it's | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
a good news and a bad news story. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
The good news is that the letter, I would say, would be | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
worth £1,500 to £2,000. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
-If the signatures had been... -Oh, yes. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Oh, yes, you know where I'm going here. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
had the signatures been genuine, it would have at least doubled. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
-But still, I mean... -Oh, it's fascinating. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
It IS fascinating. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
I can just picture you aged 16, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
opening that letter at school in Cheltenham. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
# La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
# If there's anything that you want | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
# If there's anything I can do | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
# Just call on me | 0:16:46 | 0:16:47 | |
# And I'll send it along | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
# With love, from me to you | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
# To you | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
# To you, to you. # | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
This is a beautiful mahogany table. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
They're always called architect's tables, but we know you can | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
-use it for any writing and reading purpose, can't you? -Yes, correct. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
I love this, I just want to show the top for people who haven't | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
seen these, the way, when you lift the top, which is on a ratchet, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
hear it, like that, and of course this opens at the same time. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
But I think the...many of us have seen these before but what | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
-we haven't seen is this plaque. Can you explain that to me? -Yes. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
This plaque is to the effect | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
that this table was used by Bonnie Prince Charlie | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
at Kingsburgh House, Isle of Skye, in 1745. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
It was the time he was fleeing after Culloden, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
and the Red Coats were after him, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
and he was with Flora MacDonald dressed as a maid, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
and from there he took a trip to France. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
I've got a slight conundrum here. I'm sort of stuck in the middle. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
If I'd been asked to date this without that plaque, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
I would say 1750 at the absolute earliest, and 1760. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
So I'm stuck. How good is this provenance? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
I've no doubt about it at all. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
It's been in the family all of 250 years | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
and we have no reason to think that it wasn't used | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
by Bonnie Prince Charlie. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
So, literally, you can trace it right back, can you? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
It's in books and recorded and so on... | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
-Oh, right, right. -..as being so. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
-Right, right. -They were Campbells, my relations, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
who lived at Kingsburgh. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
How sophisticated was the house? Because Skye 1745... | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
Not very sophisticated and it doesn't exist any more, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
it's been knocked down. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
I wanted to go and see it, and was told it's no longer there. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
But my ancestor James Boswell, and Samuel Johnson, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
visited Kingsburgh House and also I think saw this desk too, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
when they went on their Hebridean Tour, which is recorded. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
-So they're ancestors as well? -Ancestors as well, yes. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
I just wish I knew when the first one of these was ever made, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-ever designed. -Yes. -Because my feeling is, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
in 1745, this was sort of | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
sent from London on the first boat. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
We can't prove it, but your family history, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
plus the Boswell/Johnson visit is fantastic. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
To have that sort of history with a piece of furniture is very unusual. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Um, a real conundrum. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
I'm not sure what to do about the date. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Let's just talk for a second about this. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
These brass plates have been added on to strengthen it. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
-Yes. -At some stage, probably in the 18th century | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
and just to demonstrate, for those who haven't seen this before, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
I won't go right into it, this slides back | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
and we've got pigeonholes, secret drawers no doubt. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-That's right, yes, secret drawers. -Lots of little things going on. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
So we have a conundrum here. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
These architects' desks are beautiful. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
-I love it and I'm sure you love it. -Yeah. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
But they don't sell very well in the auction rooms. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
They're quite popular in the antique shops but not everybody's after one. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
What we've got here is provenance, somebody from, a Stuart descendant | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
from the Campbell family, somebody who knows the house, knows Skye. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
But I can't really give you the value with the provenance, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
because we've got to really prove that one of these existed in 1745. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
-But in a shop, £10,000 to £12,000, something like that. -Yes. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Judging by the colour and the condition of this little cup, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
it looks like it's been through the wars a bit. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
Do you know anything about its history? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Well, yes, it was found on my grandparents' farm, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
over 100 years ago, early 20th century. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
And it was during renovations | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
and it was in the thatch of the old farmhouse. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Is this the farmhouse here, the picture you've brought along? | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Yes, Batson Hall. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
When the thatch, it was being slated | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
they found this and it appeared to have been hidden. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
So it quite likely was in the wars, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
but that would have been the Civil War. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Yes, and a lot of silver was actually hidden from... | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Yes, they used to like to make it into coins and that, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
or just take it... | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
OK, well, let's have a look at the cup. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
If we look at the front, it's got some initials AB over EW | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
and the date, 1641. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-So that gives us a pretty good idea... -Yes. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
..that we're looking at a really old piece of silver. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
This form of cup evolved in the reign of James I | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
in the early 17th century, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
with these sort of decorated bowls and these long stems. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
-Look quite crude, the decoration, in fact. -Yes. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
But the interesting thing about this cup is if we turn it round | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
and look at the hallmarks, which are really very good indeed, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
the piece was made much earlier than the initials and date. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
It was actually made in 1630. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Now, something like this | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
is a pretty rare object, and early 17th century silver | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
doesn't come on the market that often. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
As you know, this has quite serious damage on the base, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
which will obviously have an effect on its value. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
It's really worthwhile considering getting this properly repaired, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
because in really good condition, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
a cup like this is worth £12,000 to £15,000. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
In its current state, the value | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
is nearer £6,000 to £8,000 | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
so it's really worthwhile spending some money... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
-Yes, yes. -..in having it properly repaired | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
because it's essentially a really good piece. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
You've brought me in a school timetable here. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Who does it relate to? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:27 | |
It's the timetable of Queen Victoria's children. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
The cousin of my grandfather was tutor and so this is his diary | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
and the timetable of what they had to learn. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
-And what was his name? -His name was Frederick Weymouth Gibbs. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
Right, and he tutored them for how long? | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
For ten years from 1851 onwards. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
-Right, OK. -Fortunately it was left to my grandfather. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
-And then come down to you? -Yes. -That's lovely. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
I mean, if we just look, for example, at the timetable, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
what they're learning, you know, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
we've got religion between eight and nine o'clock, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
between nine and 11 they go out. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
11 to 11:30, they go and have their luncheon. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
11:30 to 12 is Latin, then 12 till one is writing. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
We've got German, then they have dinner, then they go out again. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
I've just got an extract here on one day. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
This is the cousin of your grandfather writing. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
"Met the Queen this afternoon and walked with her. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
"She spoke a good deal about the Princes, and bade me notice | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
"two peculiarities in the P of W" - in the Prince of Wales, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
"first, at times he hangs his head, and looks at his feet | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
"and invariably within a day or two, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
"has one of his fits of nervous unmanageable tempers." | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
So this is a first-hand account of the Prince of Wales, future king, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:48 | |
and when he's going, you know, when he's, he says unmanageable. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
-Yes, it's a wonderful glimpse into history, isn't it? -Absolutely. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
And there's this, and you brought also these lovely pictures. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
This is one here by "AE". | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
Albert Edward, in fact, it's by Edward VII. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
-Right. -And you can see he was a particularly good artist. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
-He was. -And his sister was even better. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
I have a painting of hers too in the collection I have. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
Super, and it's dated here 28th February 1855, Buckingham Palace. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
They obviously respected and adored him, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
they're giving their pictures to him as a token of thanks and gratitude. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
It's absolutely wonderful. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
And then this, below it, is a portrait of Victoria. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Yes, it's a portrait of her by her portraitist Winterhalter, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
and it is signed by Queen Victoria. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
Right, and you've got other things in your collection as well. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
I have a lot of other things, yes. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
A lot of letters from Queen Victoria, things that say | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
"to Mr Gibbs from the grief stricken widow," after Prince Albert died, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
-and things like that. -Fascinating insights. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
It's a lovely archive and it's actually got considerable | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
importance, particularly from, obviously, the royal connections. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
It's very much museum quality. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
There's considerable monetary value to it as well. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
I can easily see a portrait like this, on its own, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
-making £40,000 to £60,000 alone. -That's amazing. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
And then you've got this drawing here which again, I mean, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
it must be worth between, somewhere between £5,000 and £8,000 easily. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
So, you know, these are unique pieces | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
and the written account by your grandfather's cousin, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
I can easily see this alone being worth £5,000 to £8,000. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
It's a one-off. So these pieces, if we add them up individually | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
must be worth £50,000 to £75,000 at least. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
I must get it into a museum quickly, I think. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
It's time to step into the shadowy world of the faker, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
and this week's Rogues Gallery comes courtesy of our ceramics expert, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Fergus Gambon, who's supplied us with four pieces of Whieldon Ware, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
earthenware from the mid 18th century. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
Well, I say four pieces. Three pieces are. One of them | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
mysteriously appeared in the 1980s and had experts scratching | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
their heads trying to work out if it was genuine or if it was fake. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Now, here's Fergus with some clues as to what to look out for. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Prepare to choose your colour. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
Suspect number one is what appears to be a classic Whieldon type | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
teapot, made some 250 years ago. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
The glaze shows a network of fine cracks known as crazing. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
These are normally an indication of age, but are they to be trusted? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Object two is perhaps the rarest in the line-up, an unusually | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
large tea canister moulded in relief with a figure of Flora. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
It bears the typical Whieldon decoration of coloured oxides | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
under a lead glaze, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
creating a surprisingly contemporary tortoiseshell effect. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
It looks plausible, but is it too good to be true? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
Another teapot, with stubby legs. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Like the other pieces of Whieldon ware, it looks rustic with | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
occasional imperfections, but is that the faker trying to fool you? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
And finally, a cream ware milk jug and cover from the same school. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
The Staffordshire potters would have been proud of this 250 years ago, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
but are we looking at something made in the 1980s? | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
So Fergus, four examples of Whieldon Ware, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
or rather three examples and one that looks like it. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Very unusual, the decoration, isn't it? | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Mmmm, it's essentially cream ware in the days before the cream ware body | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
was perfected and became flawless. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
And so really there's an attempt here to cover up a lot of the | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
surface with this decoration, which is a sort of mottled decoration | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
of coloured oxides which are allowed to dribble and merge into each other | 0:28:06 | 0:28:12 | |
to create a kind of tortoiseshell effect and that's the idea. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
And this kind of decoration is associated with a potter | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
called Whieldon, but it isn't all by him, of course. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
So some of it's just in the style of? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Some of it's by other contemporary potters, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
because it's just a fashionable ware of the time. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
So we've got two teapots, obviously. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:28 | |
-Two teapots. -And what about this? What was this? | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
That's a tea canister. One kept one's tea in it, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
it would have had a lid, which is now missing. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
-And then the little jug at the end? -That's a milk jug. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
We're not so used to having milk or cream with jugs that have | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
covers these days, but they did then, sometimes. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
Stops anything dropping into the milk. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Now one of these was such a cunning fake... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
-Mmmm. -..that very special tests had to be done on it, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
which doesn't augur well for me choosing the right one, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
but anyway, so tell me about that. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
It's called a thermoluminescence test and it involves | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
a slightly destructive, invasive process of removing | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
a sliver of the pottery from the object and heating it up, and | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
when you heat it up, it gives off what they call a thermoluminescence | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
which is a kind of blue glow, and the amount of that glow | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
depends on the amount of radiation that the object has absorbed. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:26 | |
The older the object, the more radiation it has absorbed | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
since it was fired, and the more thermoluminescence. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
So you've set me a horrendous task. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
If it was so hard that a thermoluminescence test | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
had to be done on it, I don't think I stand a chance. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
We can't expect you to. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
I mean, this one looks most different from all the others | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
in that the striations on it are very different | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
from these three, so I'm assuming this is the fake, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
and if I've got that right, I will feel very chuffed indeed. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
You'd better pick it up and see. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
It's got a hole in the bottom, has it? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
It's got a hole in the bottom, and if it has, you've won! | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-No! -Yes! -Yes?! Where is it? | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
You missed it, look. There's a hole! | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
-I can't see a hole. -There it is, isn't it? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
-Oh, teeny, weeny. -Teeny, teeny. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
Back of the net, I think is the technical term for that. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
Oh, I'm well chuffed, I'm almost lost for words, actually. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
Thing is, Fergus, that when you look at this next to these, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
it does look really different, doesn't it? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
Well, it's OK for you with hindsight. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
-Because these have got all these decorations on, this hasn't. -Yes. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
These colours are much darker than this, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
the green is different to these, so it does look really different. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
But when I tell you that that teapot sold in the 1980s for | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
£2,500, and that other pieces of the same type, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:48 | |
other fakes, were selling for tens of thousands of pounds, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
experts were fooled by these then. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
So this, as a fake, is almost valueless, really. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
Well, it would be immoral to sell it, | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
it's wrong and it's not worth much. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
And what about the tea canister? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
The tea canister's lovely and it's worth £1,500, maybe £2,000. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
The teapot, actually, this one is cracked, so as a cracked piece, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
it's worth £500 or so, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
and the jug maybe £700, £800. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
Well, there you are - Whieldon ware. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:20 | |
And if you want to know what to look for, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
have a look at our website with all sorts of hints and tips on there. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
-I picked this up from a local second-hand shop. -Right. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
About four or five months ago, knew nothing about it. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
A friend of mine restored it for me. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:41 | |
Right. How much did it cost you? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
-Well, it owes me £50. -Right. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Let me tell you about it. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
It's made out of mahogany and it's actually 18th century. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
Made in the George III period. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
A journeyman would have made this, | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
a gentleman who travels around working for one cabinet maker, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
and then he'd move on and work for another cabinet maker. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
-Right, OK. -And because he's carrying things around, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
that's why you've got these little carrying handles on the sides, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
-which only open to a certain degree. -Right. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
So he'd have been carrying his wares. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
And inside the journey begins, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
because you've got all these wonderful little samples | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
from literally all over the world. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
This is the height of cabinet makers | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
showing what veneers were being used at the time. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
As I say, it's 18th century, and when I opened it, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
one of the timbers which I saw, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
I thought was fantastic to see | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
this wood, it's called fustic wood, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
it's from the Caribbean. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Chippendale often used this wood and when it's polished, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
it's beautiful, it has a wonderful grain. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
But if you look, you've got these timbers from the Americas, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
from the Caribbean, from Asia. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
How many timbers are there? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Well, it should carry about 160 | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
but there's two missing, sadly. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Well, these little chests are extremely rare. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
The restoration could have been done a little bit better, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
but it's not bad. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
Today I would put a value on this of between £800 to £1,000. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:27 | |
-OK, yeah. -So I think you've done extremely well for £50. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
Oh, that's good, yeah. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:32 | |
-So, well done. -Thank you very much. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
When you came and sat down with your pieces, you were almost | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
-apologetic for coming and sitting down and showing them to me. -Yes. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
I just brought my mum's two rings and I literally just | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
pulled this out of the box that I had, but then your little sort | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
of magpie eyes lit up and you swept the brooch off and that was that. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
You're thinking, "Why has she done that? It's costume jewellery." | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
Yes, that's what, I've only ever seen it a couple of times | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
so I would assume that | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
my family wouldn't have had that much money in the past | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
to buy anything substantial. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
Well, costume jewellery, you know, is very collected. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
-Yeah. -I mean, it's nothing to be sniffed at. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
This piece is not costume jewellery. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
Oh. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
-It's the real thing. -Right. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
It's diamonds. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
Platinum. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
-Oh, I thought it might have been silver. -No. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
If it had been silver, you're quite right that up until about 1900 | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
-most jewellery was made with silver, or silver and gold. -Right. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Platinum came in about 1900. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
And are those sapphires? | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
-They are, this is about 1925. -Oh, right, OK. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
And the sapphires are probably synthetic. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
-But it doesn't matter, because it's all about the design. -Mm. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
You know, the sapphires are there to complement the design, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
they're so small it doesn't really matter intrinsically | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
-whether they're synthetic or whether they're real. -Yeah. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
And the setting itself is all this lovely little milgrain setting. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
You might bring it out of its box quite often. I think you actually, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
while you're washing up, you can try it on first. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
I should put it on to do the washing up or something. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
-I think you should. Don't you think? -Yeah, OK, I shall... -Spoil yourself. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
-Yes, OK. -Knowing that you're wearing something that's £2,500. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
Wow. Gosh. Thank you very much. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Something to dance about, isn't it? | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Well, it'll certainly buy a few gin and tonics later. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
-I'm joining you. -OK! | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
This is a wonderful group of medals. Who did they belong to? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
Well, they belonged to my late uncle, Colonel Terence Conner, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
who took part in a largely forgotten rebellion, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
-the 1930-32 Burma Rebellion. -Is this him? | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
Yeah, that's him in all his splendour, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
taken at Buckingham Palace, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
actually, when he went to get his DSO and the King's Police Medal. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
That's a fantastic portrait, wonderful portrait, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
beautifully tinted, actually quite a sensitive photograph, isn't it? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
-Yes. -Tell me what he did. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
He was very fortunate in that he was in the British Indian Army | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
and he volunteered to take part in the, what they called | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
the Human Sacrifice and Slave Releasing Expeditions. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
That doesn't sound very fortunate to me. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
Well, he enjoyed that sort of thing. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Basically they went into unexplored territory of Northern Burma | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
where they were literally releasing slaves | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
and going through the jungle to do so. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
-In order to try and quash slavery. -Absolutely. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
The one big problem was that | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
there was great support for slavery in Upper Burma. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
Well, when the rebellion broke out in Burma in 1930, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
by complete coincidence his regiment was in Rangoon, so he got asked | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
if he would go in and help them. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
And as a captain, he had a very prominent role indeed | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
-in quashing the rebellion. -Yeah. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
And what's the relevance of this tunic? | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
Well, the background is that a guy called Say Assan | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
declared himself, on a hill in Burma, Magician King. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
And what he did was, to gain support, he told them all | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
that he would be able to draw symbols and put them on their shirts | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
so they would be completely invulnerable to British bullets and | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
they could all charge forward and attack and they would all be fine. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
And you can see quite clearly from looking at it, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
that they weren't invulnerable to British bullets, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
because there's a big hole right in the middle. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
So it's covered in these extraordinary symbols. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
It looks like a tiger, these squares that, you know, the magic squares, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
that wherever you go they always add up to a certain number. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
-That's right. -That's what they look like. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Have you ever had them deciphered? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
Well, I did speak to somebody at the British Library about it | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
and she told me that they all do have a meaning, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
but I'm afraid I can't personally tell you what they mean. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
But they scared these guys enough that they thought | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
they could just charge forward. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
Now let me ask you something about these medals. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
What was he awarded the Distinguished Service Order for? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
His bravery in the operations of going into the jungle | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
for weeks on end, capturing rebels. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
And this certificate would have come with the DSO. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
Yes, absolutely right, yes. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
-And also here we have the King's Police Medal. -Yes. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
And that was awarded to him because he was seconded | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
to the Military Police, the Burma Military Police, and so that's | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
one of the highest awards they could give him for his time there. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
That's an unusual combination, I would think. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Well, I believe it is, yes, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
because obviously it's a police medal accompanying military medals. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
They're very, very shiny. Why is that? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
Well, I keep them on display so once in a while, I clean them up. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
-OK, here's a warning. Don't polish them. -Right, OK. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
Every time you polish a medal, we rub a little bit of the metal off. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
You know, it's a very, very good group here. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
Um, you've got a fabulous photograph of him. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
You've got this maybe even unique | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
tunic which documents | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
a barbaric part of our colonial history. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
Historically, I think this is very, very important. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
It doesn't necessarily always translate to value, of course, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
-high value. -No. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:07 | |
But, I think we'd be looking in terms of an auction value today | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
-of between £7,000 and £9,000. -Wow! | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
OK, I wasn't expecting that. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
It's incredible. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:23 | |
I've got a huge garden pot, obviously, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
full of beautiful flowers. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
-Who's the gardener, is it you? -No, it's my wife. -It's your wife. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
I think she's got exceptionally green fingers, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
-by the looks of it. -Yes, she has. -And this is definitely a first, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
but the flowers are sort of slightly incidental to | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
what I think is a rather interesting piece of stone work here. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
And I'm interested as to why it's residing in your garden. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
It had always been in the family, ever since I can remember, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
and we always thought it was a font, a church font. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
-Right. -But a few years ago we went to the Exeter Museum | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
and there's one identical there. And they called it a granite mortar. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:04 | |
Right, OK, well, you've hit the nail on the head. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
What essentially you have is a very large mortar. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
This isn't, in fact, granite, it's actually a type of grit stone. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
A mortar is an object that's used for grinding things, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
and in this case, it probably would have been used for grinding grain. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
It's rather large, sometimes these had what was called | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
sort of like a quern stone which sat in the top of them and would rotate. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
Has it got a hole in the bottom of it? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
-Yes, it does have a hole in the bottom. -OK, well, that's interesting | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
because that could also define the way in which it was used, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
but I also see that it's got some lips on it as well. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
-Mmm. -So essentially used for grinding material. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
The form of it is very characteristic of medieval mortars. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
Medieval? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:47 | |
So you are putting your flowers in an object | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
that is 500 or 600 years old. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
Well, at one time, we kept fish in it. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
-You kept fish in it? -Yes. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
Well, garden pots can be quite expensive to buy. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
Even if you go down to your local garden centre, you can pay | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
quite a lot of money for quite an ordinary garden pot. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
This is no ordinary garden pot | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
and it appeals to a really kind of interesting type of collector, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
the sort of collector that likes old oak period objects, and if you | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
went to a specialist sale that was selling those kind of objects, you | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
would have to pay between £600 and £1,000 to buy this medieval mortar. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
£600 to £1,000? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:28 | |
That's with the flowers or without the flowers? | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
That's without the flowers! | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
I can picture these behind a half peeled lemon | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
and a lobster in one of those | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Dutch still life paintings. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
I can imagine it in one of those as well. At the moment they've just | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
been sitting on top of the kitchen cabinet at home, gathering dust. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
-Do you know hold old these are? -I haven't got a clue how old | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
they are. They don't belong to me, they do belong to my mother | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
and she thought that they were Ming export, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
which came, obviously, later on, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
in the style of, to be shipped overseas, not for home consumption. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
That's "I believe", I don't know. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
She's mostly right, but let's have a look at that. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
Ming export. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
The Ming dynasty finished in 1644 so they're going to be, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
if she's right, they're going to be before that. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
It's a type of porcelain which is called Kraak porcelain. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
And it's not because it's broken, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
it's because it was transported to Europe from China | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
in boats which were called carracks, which is a Portuguese vessel. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
Historically, for me, these type of vases, they do | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
represent the East-West trade | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
and it's going right back to the beginning of the 17th century. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
-The Dutch East India Company... -Yes. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
..has records of things that they call Persian bottles. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Persian bottles. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
And this is what they called Persian bottles... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
-Oh, really? -..in their records in the 17th century. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
-There was a ship that sank in 1643. -Yes. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
And a number of these came out of that ship. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
-These date from that time. -Really? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
I am flabbergasted, we thought it was well after that date. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
1643. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
Well, they are from the first 40-odd years of the 17th century, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
so shortly after Shakespeare, shortly after Elizabeth I. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
-They're really old things. -That's very exciting. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
I can tell they're very highly prized by the fact | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
if you touch them, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:28 | |
no-one's allowed to pick them up in your house, are they? | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
They're filthy, you positively stick to them. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
You do, it's that kitchen grime you get on things and the paint. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
It's absolutely, they're revolting to touch, absolutely revolting. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
They won't be marked, it's very, very rare for Kraak porcelain to | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
-be marked, no marks on the base. -Nothing. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
The bodies are slightly moulded. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
You do know they're not a pair? | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
I kind of wondered whether they were or not, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
but they are quite different when you look at them. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
They're not a pair, they're two very similar bottles | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
and they've been hand painted in Jingdezhen. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
This one has a slight crack in it, very slight crack on the back, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
and it does affect the value. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
Together in auction today, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
they're worth around about | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
£3,000 to £5,000. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
Wow, we weren't even going to bring them today as well. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
That's wonderful. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
This is my fifth visit to the Antiques Roadshow | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
and every time I come I really enjoy my day. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
Well, I'm very glad to hear that. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:32 | |
I've had the most appalling 24 hours. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
Last night on the way home I badly broke my arm and I've spent most of | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
the night in hospital, hardly slept, haven't shaved, feeling terrible. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
And I don't mean to ruin your day | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
when I tell you that the reason why I picked out these two spoons | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
is because in actual fact they've got bogus marks on them. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
-Right. -They're fakes. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
-The marks on them look like London hallmarks of 1816. -Yes. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:59 | |
-But in actual fact, they're on them to deceive. -OK. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
They're made by a man called Lawrence Twentyman, who was | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
a silversmith working in Cape Town in South Africa in about 1820. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
He put on London marks to persuade his customers that he was | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
selling them London quality silverware, when in fact | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
he wasn't, he was making them in his little studio in Cape Town. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
Now did you buy these spoons or have you been left them? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
No, I found them amongst the possessions of my aunt after | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
she died and they'd actually been in a drawer for about seven years | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
and I just thought I'd bring a box of silver spoons to you today | 0:45:34 | 0:45:39 | |
and you just happened to pull these two out of the box. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
And was she from South Africa? | 0:45:42 | 0:45:43 | |
No, she wasn't, but my grandfather spent time in South Africa, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
-so possibly that's how they came into her possession. -Right. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
These are silver spoons and if they were London quality, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
if they had genuine hallmarks on | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
and were of the quality of a London spoon maker, they'd be worth | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
-somewhere in the order of £40 to £50 each. -Yes. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
But they're not. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
They're worth £80 to £100 each. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
Are they really? That's amazing. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
Now there's dogs and there's dogs | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
and these are dogs, aren't they?! | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
And it's got the signature here on the collar of T Earl, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
so I suppose that's Thomas Earl, 1868. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
Now, he came from a family that was famous for painting dogs, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
-they were really, really good at it. -Right. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
Such character in their animals | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
and as you can see, this is an absolute master of it. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
I love them, I think they're absolutely terrific. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
What made you get them? Did you get them or inherit them? | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
Oh, no, a huge accident. We went to an auction, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
because I'd seen a picture of a little Jack Russell, it looked | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
quite sweet, and off we went, and we were just leaving, having thought | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
the Jack Russell, was quite nice, and there was, this picture was by | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
the door and it was just a study in brown, it was covered in brown goo. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:59 | |
-Oh, you mean dirty? -Filthy, damaged frame, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
and I don't know quite why, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
but just sort of hanging round waiting to go and looked at it | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
and I thought, "Ooh, I think they're nice," and just said to my husband | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
as we left, "If I could take anything home, it would be that." | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
"Oh, yeah?" Anyway, unbeknown to me, my husband went to the auction | 0:47:14 | 0:47:20 | |
and in actual fact bought it, | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
unbeknown to me, AND the Jack Russell. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
He only bought this because it didn't sort of make much money. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
I see, a bargain. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:29 | |
-Sort of. Well... -How much money? | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
-Probably around a thousand. -Oh, OK. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
And anyway it was, you know, oh, we did a bit of that | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
and we thought, "Oh, well, you know," and we were referred to | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
somebody who did a lovely job of lifting off all the filth and | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
we found these lovely boys, and he said it was worth doing the frame. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
So we went and invested another 3.8 million | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
and had the frame touched up. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
It's all a great job, though, it looks terrific. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
He's so photographic, as well. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:00 | |
And look at the glistening on the lip of that dog. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
It's so cleverly caught, the light like that. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
-Who, Earl? -Yeah, Earl. -Right. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
And he never really bothers much with backgrounds, you know, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
you've got this really sort of boring sky | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
and a bit of sort of vestigial heather to set them. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
He's much more interested in the character of the animals, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
and that he's caught brilliantly. Look at this chap's eyes. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
It is the eyes that do it for me | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
and each of them seem to be telling a slightly different story to me. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
I think there's an age difference. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
-Different characters, age difference. -Yes, probably | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
-an old boy. -The old boy bringing on the younger dog. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
-A young jumped-up, yeah. -They're chained together | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
-so this one learns from that one. -I believe so. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
-That's fascinating, I didn't know that. -I think that's how | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
they train them, I don't know. I could be making it up. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
One thing I do know is what it's worth | 0:48:41 | 0:48:42 | |
and since that's what we're partly here for, I'm going to tell you. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
-How long ago? -Five years, I think. -Five years ago, yeah. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
Well, I think now it's worth between £10,000 and £15,000. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
-Woo-hoo, that's all right. Each? -LAUGHTER | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
Don't push me. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:58 | |
Well, it's a very pretty little easel box. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
Am I going to see something lovely in it? | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
I certainly hope so, yes. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
Let me open it up and peek, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
if I can get it open, there we go. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
Oh, oh, ooh. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
Well there's the magic word, Rolex, Prince Imperial. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
-Mm-hm. -That's a lovely thing indeed | 0:49:28 | 0:49:33 | |
and note that little tag. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
How long have you had this for? | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
-About 40 years. -Have you ever used it? | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
No, no, it's just been in a box in the wardrobe. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
It's absolutely mint. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:45 | |
I mean, with this little tag which has got its movement number, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
it's what we call new old stock, I mean, it's unused. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
It's a typical Rolex 1930s dress watch, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
it's a duo-dial Prince Imperial, it's stunning. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
Do you find it pleasing? | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
Oh, yes, very, I think it's very attractive. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
-Have you ever had the back off? Probably not. -No, never. -Do you mind | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
-if I take it off? -No, I'd love to see inside. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
I'm going to have to put this on because it's a fiddly little job. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
So off comes the back. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:17 | |
Now, look at that, if I pop those two there... | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
..and start with the movement, which is observatory quality. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:31 | |
-Is it? -That is THE top quality, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
it says observatory on the ratchet wheel, that is absolutely | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
magnificent and the case, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
all the Rolex marks | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
and it's 18 carat gold. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
Mm, I see. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
And this bit of paperwork which you've brought along | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
is its chronometer certificate | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
from October 1934. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
I have never seen one with the original box, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
-with the original certificate and its original tag. -Mm. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:03 | |
It's in unused condition. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
Do you remember anybody wearing it ever? | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
No. No, no, it's always been in the box. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
-Why has nobody used it? -I don't know why. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
It's absolutely extraordinary to come across it like this. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
Well, the nine-carat gold ones that are a bit rubbed | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
fetch at auction around about £2,000 to £2,500. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:29 | |
-Mm-hm. -That is nine-carat. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
-Yes. -Yours is 18-carat. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:32 | |
-Yes. -So I'm going to say £4,400 to £5,000. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:38 | |
This is mint with all its paperwork and its tags and its box. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:44 | |
Collectors, particularly Far Eastern collectors, go mad | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
for this at the moment and I have no hesitation in saying to you that | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
at auction, in this condition, it will fetch | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
-between £7,000 and £10,000. -Good heavens. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
And the problem is, it'll just go back into a drawer again, won't it? | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
Yes. Well I'm not sure about that. I shall have to think about that. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:06 | |
I've got a postcard here of somebody. Who's this? | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
It's my grandfather's uncle. He was on the Titanic. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
He was the youngest survivor of the Titanic's father, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
Millvina Dean, who was nine weeks old at the time. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
-She was nine weeks old. -Yes. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
-OK, and she survived? -Yes, she was put in a mail sack | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
-and put on the life rafts below with her mother and her father. -Right. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:30 | |
But he died saving people to put on the life rafts with them. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
So sad. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
And the postcard is written just before they leave on the Titanic. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:41 | |
Just before they left, yes. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
And he's writing it - who's Violet, he's writing to? | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
-My great-grandmother. -OK, and he says, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
"just a card to ask you if I shall | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
"come home or not before I go away. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
"Let me know, love from Bert." | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
Yes, he was writing to see whether he should go home to say | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
goodbye to the family before he left. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
-And do we know if he did? -No, he didn't. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
He didn't. It's so sad, isn't it? It's awful. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
And then the book here is inscribed to you. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
To me, yes, it's from Millvina | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
when she started getting involved with the Titanic experience | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
and she wrote it to me when I was two years old as a keepsake. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:25 | |
OK, and when you say she started to get involved, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
it's dated 1995, so does that mean for a long period of her life | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
-she didn't want to have anything to do with it? -No. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
Her brother went forward and helped with all the memorabilia | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
of the Titanic, but at first she didn't want to, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
until her brother died and she was older, and then | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
she lived an amazing life with going to America and just seeing everybody | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
and doing talks on the Titanic and her experiences and what she knows. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
OK, and then she died, when did she die, then? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:54 | |
She died on the 31st May 2009, my birthday. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
-Oh. -She was such a lovely person, so bubbly, | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
-she always had stories to tell. -Really? -She was amazing, yes. -Well, | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
-like you, you're telling the story now, it's brilliant. -Continuing it. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
Absolutely, and as you obviously know, there's a huge interest, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
there's a big market in Titanic material, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
anything related to the Titanic, but particularly survivors and it does | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
have monetary value as well as the sentimental value obviously to you. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
I think the card on its own would easily | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
-be worth £1,000 to £1,500. -Really? -I do. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
I can easily see the book inscribed, personally inscribed to you | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
from her, making £500 to £1,000, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
so overall we're looking at certainly £1,500 to £2,500. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:40 | |
I didn't expect that. Thank you, that's amazing. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
This seems to be a matching pair of plates, but one's painted | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
with a comical Chinaman and here we've got a figure of a king. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
They're very peculiar. What do you know about them? | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
I remember them on the wall of my husband's parents' house | 0:54:59 | 0:55:05 | |
and traditionally in the family they were said to be very valuable, | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
but no-one else seemed to know anything else about them and in | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
due course they came to my husband and when I asked him about them, he | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
said all he knows about them is that they came from his mother's family. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
-They're Delftware. -Right. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
-I don't know if you've heard of the term Delft at all. -Yes, yes. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
I mean, which is, in a way the European copy of Chinese porcelain | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
before we knew how to make the real stuff. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
Crude pottery covered with a white tin glaze and that's what these are. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
And most of the early Delft is copying Chinese designs | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
and that's what, the design we have here, I suppose. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
-What's curious is the palette and the colouring they're in. -Right. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
We've got some nice mix of colours which does indicate really | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
quite an early date. So we're looking back here | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
into the 17th century, but one thing we do find in early Delft | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
often are portraits of the reigning kings and queens of the time. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:02 | |
-Right. -And so one wonders here what this chap might be. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
So there, a very splendid king with a sceptre | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
and I suppose he's holding a letter or a scroll. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
Who do you think he is? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
I really, really don't have a clue, I'm afraid. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
He must be a British king. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
One tries to think of dates from the plates and looking at the designs. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
I've seen one once before with a similar king which depicts | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
James II. I think that's probably who he is. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
-Oh, goodness. -So that goes back to 1685-1688, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
a relatively short reign, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
so you've got a pair of plates here, probably made in London, I think, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:43 | |
-but they're about as rare as you can get. -Really? | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
I mean, this one is in a bit of a shocking state. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
-Yes. -It's been broken in half. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
-Someone liked it enough to stitch it together, just about. -Yes. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
-But it's barely held together now. -Yes, yes. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
But this is really quite an important piece of pottery, because | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
you've got a picture of the king on a rare shape, in rare colours. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
-Delft doesn't get much more special than this. -Really? | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
So we can forgive it a bit the poor condition. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
-Right. -So let's think. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
The perfect but Chinese subject one, shall we say | 0:57:16 | 0:57:21 | |
-£10,000 to £20,000. -Oh! | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
The very broken one... | 0:57:29 | 0:57:30 | |
Well, it's got to be more than that. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
-Oh, my God! -So at least £20,000. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:57:39 | 0:57:40 | |
Together as a pair, £30,000 or more! | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
-I brought them in my handbag! -LAUGHTER | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
That's all right, I'm sure it's a good, strong handbag. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
Speechless. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
Oh, can I cry now? | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
It's not often that we see tears on the programme, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
but thankfully these were tears of joy. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
From Exeter Cathedral and the Antiques Roadshow team, bye-bye. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:17 |