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In the year that Scotland decides on its potential independence,

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what more fitting place to be than Scone Palace,

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where the first Scottish Council sat over 1,000 years ago.

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Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow, from Perth.

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This is Moot Hill, in the grounds of Scone Palace.

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And this is the legendary Stone of Scone.

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Where exactly it comes from is a mystery,

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but since the Ninth Century,

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every monarch of Scotland has been seated upon it

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for their coronation ceremony, including Robert the Bruce.

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Except, this isn't the real stone, this is a copy.

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The real stone - as all the guidebooks will tell you - is in Edinburgh.

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But that's not what everyone believes.

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After Edward I had conquered Scotland in 1296,

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he ordered the stone be taken to Westminster Abbey.

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There, it was placed into the Coronation Chair, upon which

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every monarch of our nation has sat to be crowned ever since.

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Of course, this isn't the real Coronation Chair -

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the real Coronation Chair is in Westminster Abbey - but some

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people believe that the stone in that chair isn't real either.

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The story goes that when the Abbot of Scone heard Edward's men were coming, he had a copy made

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and hid the actual stone somewhere in the palace grounds.

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After all, it was one of the nation's most sacred objects.

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If the story's true, it would mean that the stone that's been used

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for generations of monarchs in the coronation ceremony, right up to

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the present day with Queen Elizabeth II, that that stone is a copy.

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And the story doesn't end there.

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On Christmas morning, 1950, the stone was stolen

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from Westminster Abbey by a group of Scottish students.

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Four months later, it turned up at Arbroath Abbey

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and, from there, it was returned to London.

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So which is the real Stone of Scone?

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Well, you'll never stop the rumours, but one thing's for sure,

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this is probably the most contentious stone in Britain.

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Out on the palace lawns, our experts are ready to take up

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the quest of unearthing some treasures themselves.

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And if you want to try your hand at valuing antiques, why not play along

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via our app, or by pressing the red button on your remote control?

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Best of luck.

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The wonderful world of jewellery is always full of surprises.

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Now, when I picked this out, the surprise on your face!

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What did you think?

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It's... I find it kind of hideous.

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-Do you?

-I phoned Mum, and I said, "Mum, she picked the ugly one!"

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JOANNA LAUGHS

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Well, this is what's interesting,

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-because you had, actually, a cameo and a diamond watch.

-Uh-huh.

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And then you had this as well. Now, quite an eclectic...

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Two very traditional pieces of jewellery, and then this.

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So how did you acquire this? How did your mother get this?

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Um, it was given to her by her godmother, who lived in Edinburgh.

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And has she worn it? Have you seen your mother wear it?

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-I've never seen her wear it.

-The ugly brooch.

-Yes!

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Well, this is the beauty of jewellery, that we do tend to

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think of jewellery being traditional,

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with diamonds and silver

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and the antique and gold, but there is a whole other

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world of jewellery out there which I actually get very excited about.

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And this is from the '60s.

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After the war, jewellery wasn't really that exciting,

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it was very traditional,

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and then in the '60s, people were wanting to really break out.

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They were breaking out everywhere else, in fashion and music,

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but what hadn't happened was jewellery - it was left behind.

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But there was one person that initiated innovative design

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and creativity, and putting the creativity back into jewellery,

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but he used stones in their natural way.

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The '60s was all about being organic, going with the flow,

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using rock crystals, not cutting stones to a traditional way.

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So there was another person that was also of the same thought,

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and he was called Charles de Temple.

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Now, I'm going to turn it over...

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..and you see this magic signature of Charles de Temple.

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I got so excited when I saw that, I really did.

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You know, he's quite an unknown jeweller of the '60s period,

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but he had quite an exciting life.

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He worked in very different areas of art.

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He worked with Alexander Calder, the sculptor, Pierre Cardin,

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with Paco Rabanne in the fashion world.

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So these influences brought his designs into being something

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very innovative and different, and this is one such piece.

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It isn't about the intrinsic value there,

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but do you see that he's used these topaz crystals, uncut crystals?

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-Mmm, yes.

-And he's got two cultured pearls there,

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and it's nine-carat gold. It was made in England.

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It's quite stunning.

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So, I mean, value...

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In an auction at the moment,

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I would say it's in the region of about £3,000.

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LAUGHTER

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-Wow! Mum said to me about 250.

-£250?

-Yes.

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It's no longer an ugly brooch!

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Oh, my goodness.

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There are snuff bottles and there are snuff bottles.

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You know, I think it's stunning work.

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-I mean, what do you think about it?

-I think it's lovely.

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And have you had it long?

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Um, it belonged to my late husband's family.

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I've had it for maybe about 20 years.

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At the front of the bottle here -

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I'm not sure which is the front and the back, the carving's so amazing -

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there's a nobleman being served some food in a landscaped garden.

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At the back of the bottle here,

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we have a lady at her toilet,

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being attended to. One of the attendants is holding a mirror

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and another one's combing her hair.

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Round the back of the figures,

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there's detail, behind the figures,

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and it's relief, but it's such high relief, it's amazing.

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It's been polychromed, you know, it's been painted, as you can see.

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-Yes.

-It's made of ivory. It's stunning, it really is.

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It's one of the nicest I've ever seen.

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It's a good size. Often, they can be dinky, tiny things,

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but this one is very substantial and collectors love these.

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-Do they?

-I mean, have you ever taken it anywhere to have it valued?

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-No idea of its value?

-No, none.

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Well, it's 19th Century,

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and this is such a fine example of this relief carving.

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It's got a little chip here and, of course, the lid of the snuff

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-and the snuff spoon is missing.

-Yes.

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-It would have had a domed lid, probably coral.

-Oh, right.

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Coral and jet maybe, like a jet ring with a coral dome lid.

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-That's missing, and that's a shame.

-Right.

-Some people

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would probably value this at 800 to 1,200,

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but I'm going to stick my neck out, and I think in the right auction,

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to a collector that doesn't have an ivory bottle of this quality,

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I think they could spend as much as £3,000 on this.

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-Oh, my goodness!

-I really do.

-Oh, my goodness!

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Coming to Scotland, the one thing I left at home this year -

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-not expecting this wonderful day - was my sunhat.

-Oh, dear.

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So when you turned up at my desk with this hatbox,

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I thought, "Going to make my day," because you've brought me a sunhat.

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-Very good.

-So, um, let's have a quick look.

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If you'd just like to hold on to that.

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Not a hat, but something that looks a bit like a hat.

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-I think this is a hat maker's machine.

-Yes, I believe it is.

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-How it works is that your customer would come in...

-Yeah.

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..you would have very delicately placed this on your customer's head,

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-something like that...

-Yeah.

-..and pressed it down.

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-I won't do it now because it's quite delicate.

-That's right.

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And all these little levers at the side would have moved out

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to make an exact impression around your...where the

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-brim of the hat would have gone.

-That's right, aye.

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-And how did that get recorded?

-Well, as far as I understand,

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the pins in this machine then formed the shape of the person's head

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and these formed an impression on this piece of paper here,

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and that was a way of recording somebody's head shape and size.

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So I believe.

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-But this is so beautifully made, isn't it?

-I know.

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-I mean, it's not cheap and cheerful.

-No.

-It's made out of ebony, brass.

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-Yeah.

-And all the little keys here are mother-of-pearl.

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I know. It's amazingly complicated.

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I think this was a first-class hatter, don't you?

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I think it must have been.

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It came from an old shop in Dundee that was being cleared out.

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It was a gents' outfitters

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and the people clearing out the cellar gave me a phone call, saying,

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"There's something that you might be interested in."

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-So I acquired it just recently, actually.

-Fantastic.

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What I like about it also is that it has the name of the maker,

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Allie Aine, of Paris.

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And although you've got this miniature impression here,

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how was that then transformed into the full-size hat?

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-I see there's another piece in here.

-That's right.

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So if we just take that out and ask you to put the lid back on...

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So you've got this paper impression, which was in miniature.

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-That's right.

-And then what happened?

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Well, as I understand it, then they took this piece here,

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and I suppose there were pins put in there,

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and they would match the pinholes on the paper and then this would

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then slide out and form a shape of the person's head exactly so.

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-Clever stuff, wasn't it?

-Complicated stuff, yes.

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But clever, so it made... It ensured that your hat was made to measure.

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Yeah, absolutely made to measure and unique to that individual.

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Well, I can tell you that this manufacturer patented this model

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-in 1846.

-Oh, right, yeah.

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-This was probably made a few years later, so 1850, mid-Victorian.

-OK.

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I think it's a fantastic idea,

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it's a wonderful contraption and quite rare.

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-I'll tell you how much I paid, if you want.

-If you like.

-100 quid.

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-You got the whole lot for 100 quid?

-Yes.

-Why wasn't I there?!

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Well, I didn't really know what it was or what it was worth, so it was just a guess.

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-But for £100, you're not going to lose.

-Well, that's what I felt.

-Yeah, well, I love it.

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I mean, I think it's just a lovely piece of Victorian mechanism,

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beautifully made, very high quality, top Paris maker.

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I think at auction, you're talking between £600 to £800 now.

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Well, that's not bad. I think I might sell it.

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LAUGHTER

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We've seen, inevitably, a lot of Monart come in today,

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because it was made here and it's your glass. You know, it's really...

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You can't get more Perth than Monart. So this is

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a particularly nice one, and where did it come into your life?

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Well, basically, it was my uncle's,

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and when he died, I was his sole relative, really.

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I had to clear the house and that was where we found it, 21 years ago,

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and I was putting it to the charity.

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OK, so why didn't you?

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Because somebody told me it was Monart and my husband said,

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"Well, no, we will keep it."

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So the number-one rule

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of recognising Monart is - turn it over.

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And in the centre of the base, there is a unique... Over the years,

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I worked out the other day that I've probably handled half a million

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pieces of glass in my time, and the only ones ever that I've ever

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handled that have this projecting mark there, pontil mark,

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the raised pontil mark, only Monart,

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in the history of world glass-making.

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So if it's got that, then the chances are it's plain,

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it's just polished off, and they put the paper sticker just on there.

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That's how it was. This is known as the Cloisonne range.

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Cloisonne is enamelling.

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It means where little fields are filled in with colour,

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and this reference to cloisonne are these little fields of colour here.

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So it was a really a difficult one to make, and the orange

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and the white field, they cooled at different temperatures

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because they're different chemical properties, and they cracked.

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-Right.

-So most of these were lost.

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So they didn't make many of them because, really, it was a pain,

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they proved a pain. They tried them, they didn't work very well.

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About 1935, thereabouts.

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So you've got a rare piece,

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-so it's an extra pleasure that you didn't, you know, bin it.

-Yes.

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And if you get the idea, what they do is, they dip it in the colour...

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If you think of toffee apple, they put the orange...

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-dipped the orange into some white glass.

-Uh-huh.

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And then you blow it. It's like the creation of the world, you know,

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all the continents parting from a single mass. That's what it's like.

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And, as such, as a rare piece, even though these have probably lost almost half their value -

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Monart as a genre has lost half its value over the last ten years -

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this one, still, in auction, you selling it,

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is between £600 and £700,

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which makes it the most valuable piece of Monart I've seen today.

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Well, I was offered 100 for it at the time, but...

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No, that's excellent.

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Gosh, it's been sitting in a cupboard!

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Get it out. Give it some air.

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Now, here's a very relaxed horse

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after what I think must have been a pretty severe workout,

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because we've got all the grooming materials here

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and he's tucking into some

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well-earned hay, by the looks of it.

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And it's by John Emms, 1892.

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-Was it your family's?

-Yes, it's a family picture.

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My grandfather was a Royal Scots Grey.

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He had an affiliation for any grey painted horse.

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-It's a fine grey, isn't it?

-It is. Beautiful.

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I mean, the thing about John Emms is, he was a superb horseman.

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I mean, usually, you'd expect to see a few dogs around as well,

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because he was very good at painting dogs.

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They always have these extraordinary human characteristics about them.

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But this horse does too. It's a splendid grey and it's...

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There's a label on the back that says the grey's name is Champion.

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-So that doesn't ring any bells with you in your family?

-It doesn't, no.

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-So it's just a grey.

-Yeah.

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Well, it's beautiful, and he understood the anatomy of a horse

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so well, I think. You know, if you can imagine that he spent

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some time in the abattoir - sorry about this - looking at dead horses,

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I mean, it's the only way you understand about muscles and bones.

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And then if you look at this horse, you can see that

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every muscle - even though it's quite quickly painted -

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is well understood, and this horse is superbly put together, I think.

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Are you a horseman?

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No, I'm not, but my wife used to be a pretty useful rider

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when she was younger.

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But I never tire of looking at this picture.

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It's just so beautiful. The form, I think, is just...

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-Yes, do you find it restful?

-It's almost alive.

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Yeah, it is almost alive. He's got...

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He uses a number of very clever visual tricks to do that, John Emms,

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I've often noticed with him... I mean, it's almost photographic.

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There's a sort of depth of field here.

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The horse seems sharply in focus, but he's very cleverly just -

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and really quickly - just painted the straw

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and the hay around it, and this light that comes in across

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this loose box, which presumably the horse is in, is well understood.

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But the whole thing done with the utmost speed and brevity,

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and only somebody who's completely confident of his anatomy

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and of painting can do that, I think.

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So, really, it's a very successful horse painting.

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I don't suppose money is a thing that you've really concerned yourself with, but...

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Because people love pictures, they just leave them on their walls for generations.

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-I haven't got a clue how much it's worth at all.

-No, no.

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Well, I would say between £3,000 and £5,000 at auction.

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And, um, anyone would be glad to have it

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and probably pay a bit more, especially somebody who liked greys.

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-My daughter's already claimed it, I think.

-Children do that.

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Looking at this face, I can almost hear my grandmother say,

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"It's a face only a mother would love."

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Is it something you love?

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Yes, indeed. It's strange,

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but I was most attracted to it.

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So what's your connection to it?

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Both my parents were Londoners and my maternal grandmother -

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who lived in Kew, I think, at the time -

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their family were friends with the Martins.

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We had quite a lot in the family. When my mother died,

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I certainly decided that's the one I was going to have.

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-So from the family connection of Martinware, this is the one you chose?

-Indeed, yes.

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Well, it is a lovely example.

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It's a little imp playing a tambourine, and it's fully marked

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on the back, as you'd expect, "RW Martin, London, Southall,"

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and dated 1900, which is quite late in their time.

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And Martin Brothers were a very well-known family of potters.

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Robert Wallace Martin, who signed this,

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is probably the man responsible for it.

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And they made a small quantity of quite idiosyncratic pieces

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which they're well-known for, as well as the ordinary vases.

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But it's always these figures which are more interesting,

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and they turn up from time to time.

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But they are rare and they are special.

0:17:460:17:48

So, not that it's ever going to come on the market,

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because I know you treasure it, if this did come onto the market today,

0:17:510:17:55

you would be looking to realise something like £3,000.

0:17:550:17:58

Really? Mm, lovely.

0:17:580:18:00

-So you picked all right.

-Thank you very much.

0:18:000:18:02

-It's a pleasure, look after him.

-Thank you.

0:18:020:18:05

Do you remember at the beginning of the programme,

0:18:070:18:09

I was telling you about the mystery of the Stone of Scone?

0:18:090:18:12

Well, we found out just last night that a member of our own crew -

0:18:120:18:15

Joe, here, who is our sound man - is connected to the Stone of Scone.

0:18:150:18:19

It was your father, wasn't it, Joe?

0:18:190:18:21

Yes, my father, John Manley, was a radiation X-ray specialist

0:18:210:18:25

with the Ministry of Defence, and his job was to build

0:18:250:18:29

the X-ray machine that you put your bag through at the airport.

0:18:290:18:32

-Oh, so it's all down to him?

-It's all his fault, yes.

0:18:320:18:34

Because it gave you the instant image,

0:18:340:18:36

rather than having to take the film and develop it.

0:18:360:18:38

But because of his knowledge of X-rays,

0:18:380:18:41

in July 1973, he was accompanied up to Westminster Abbey

0:18:410:18:46

by people from the Home Office and special policemen,

0:18:460:18:51

and he X-rayed the Stone of Scone

0:18:510:18:53

that sits under the Coronation Chair.

0:18:530:18:56

So they had to take it out from underneath the Coronation Chair,

0:18:560:18:59

take it to Poets' Corner, took five blasts to get an X-ray

0:18:590:19:03

strong enough to get through the stone...

0:19:030:19:05

-Because it's such a massive thing, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:19:050:19:07

..and eventually produced an X-ray

0:19:070:19:09

which showed the three metal rods that are inside.

0:19:090:19:12

The three metal rods are believed to be inside

0:19:120:19:14

because when the students - those Scottish Nationalist students -

0:19:140:19:17

stole it in the 1950s, they broke it, didn't they?

0:19:170:19:19

They did. As they took it out, they dropped it and broke it,

0:19:190:19:22

and when they got to Scotland, it was repaired.

0:19:220:19:24

And these bolts were put inside to hold it together.

0:19:240:19:26

Because then there was a whole conspiracy theory -

0:19:260:19:28

I mean, there are so many surrounding the Stone of Scone -

0:19:280:19:31

that the stone that was then returned from the stonemasons

0:19:310:19:34

was not the original stone.

0:19:340:19:36

And what did your dad think?

0:19:360:19:37

Oh, he knew it was the real one, he had no doubts at all.

0:19:370:19:41

Very much a scientist. If there's an X-ray, it's the real thing.

0:19:410:19:45

How amazing. Well, there you are. Who'd have thought it?

0:19:450:19:48

-From within our own team...

-PEACOCK SQUAWKS

0:19:480:19:51

And the peacock thinks it's pretty amazing as well!

0:19:510:19:53

From within our own team,

0:19:530:19:55

a little bit more knowledge about the Stone of Scone.

0:19:550:19:58

Three pieces of Oriental porcelain.

0:19:590:20:02

Do they have a history?

0:20:020:20:03

Not that I know of. They've been

0:20:030:20:06

in the family for three generations.

0:20:060:20:08

Right. And was anything

0:20:080:20:09

said about them -

0:20:090:20:11

where they came from, what they were for?

0:20:110:20:12

They belonged to my grandmother.

0:20:120:20:14

The bowl was supposed to be a bleeding bowl.

0:20:140:20:18

I'll come to the bowl in a moment.

0:20:180:20:20

I want to start with these.

0:20:200:20:21

The shape, in China, is known as a "gu".

0:20:210:20:24

It's a shape that goes way back into the Bronze Age,

0:20:240:20:28

into the Shang and the Zhou dynasties, 2,000, 3,000 years BC.

0:20:280:20:32

And it's a shape that's survived all of those years.

0:20:320:20:35

For 5,000 years, the Chinese have been making this shape.

0:20:350:20:38

The decoration of these gu is in what is called

0:20:380:20:43

the green family of enamels - the famille verte, as it's known,

0:20:430:20:47

or at least was known from the 19th Century as famille verte.

0:20:470:20:51

These are transparent enamels painted onto

0:20:510:20:54

the surface of the glaze and they immediately suggest

0:20:540:20:59

the late 17th and the early 18th Century.

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This was the prevalent colour pattern that the Chinese

0:21:010:21:04

painted all of their colourful porcelains at the time.

0:21:040:21:08

However, these are NOT late 17th Century, early 18th Century.

0:21:080:21:13

They are copies.

0:21:130:21:14

Oh. That's disappointing.

0:21:140:21:16

They are copies, made probably in the early to mid-19th Century,

0:21:160:21:20

but they have a decorative value.

0:21:200:21:21

Let's go to the bleeding bowl, as you know it.

0:21:210:21:24

There are three colours that immediately point us towards Japan -

0:21:240:21:27

the underglazed blue, the red and the gold.

0:21:270:21:30

Those three colours are the essential colours

0:21:300:21:33

in the Imari palette,

0:21:330:21:34

a colour palette which the Japanese started in the mid-1600s.

0:21:340:21:40

It became very, very popular in Europe.

0:21:400:21:42

This is not a Japanese shape, it's a European shape,

0:21:420:21:45

and so it was made in Japan for European consumption.

0:21:450:21:49

But actually, the elements are typically Japanese.

0:21:490:21:52

I particularly like this detail here.

0:21:520:21:55

-Look at this fellow here.

-Yes.

0:21:550:21:57

The little hare leaping across a stream.

0:21:570:22:01

And then the other motifs are just very stylised,

0:22:010:22:05

almost sort of fabric designs,

0:22:050:22:08

with a central design of a flower vase on a terrace.

0:22:080:22:11

I've always wondered why there were two holes in it.

0:22:110:22:14

Ah, the two holes here, because if you wanted to put this to one side

0:22:140:22:18

-when it had been used, you put it on the wall.

-Ah.

0:22:180:22:21

And you'd put a loop through here, a wire or a string loop,

0:22:210:22:26

and it would hang nice, nicely against the wall,

0:22:260:22:28

either backside facing forward or, more decoratively, that way.

0:22:280:22:33

Now, you called it a bleeding bowl.

0:22:330:22:35

Yes, it was always known in the family as a bleeding bowl.

0:22:350:22:38

These bowls were used by barbers as bleeding bowls. In fact,

0:22:380:22:42

they had two functions - one was to bleed a client who wasn't well.

0:22:420:22:47

One of his four humours was out of balance,

0:22:470:22:50

and so in order to relieve - or to get the balance back -

0:22:500:22:52

-you have to relieve a little blood from the vein.

-Yes.

0:22:520:22:55

But, of course, barbers did another job, as well as bleeding patients.

0:22:550:22:59

They did your shave in the mornings. So the gap for your bleeding arm

0:22:590:23:04

receiving the blood in the centre

0:23:040:23:07

-could equally well be used for your morning shave.

-Oh, yes.

0:23:070:23:12

If they could get it through your second chin.

0:23:120:23:15

-I'm finding it difficult!

-LAUGHTER

0:23:150:23:17

So these are multifunctional bowls for bleeding

0:23:170:23:21

or for trimming a beard.

0:23:210:23:23

And this dates from the early 1700s, so it's 300 years old.

0:23:230:23:27

These are early 19th-century, so much, much younger.

0:23:270:23:32

Value...

0:23:320:23:34

I think it's a rare object, it's in beautiful condition,

0:23:340:23:37

considering that it's tortured many clients over the years.

0:23:370:23:41

I think today, it's probably worth between £400 and £700.

0:23:410:23:45

As much as that?

0:23:450:23:46

So this is old and these are much, much younger,

0:23:460:23:50

these are basically copies.

0:23:500:23:52

But these, in today's market,

0:23:520:23:54

are probably worth between £3,000 and £5,000.

0:23:540:23:58

-Oh, my God!

-And...

0:23:590:24:01

And they've been sitting in the front hall!

0:24:010:24:03

LAUGHTER

0:24:030:24:05

-And that..

-They sit in my front window, by the front door,

0:24:050:24:09

for everybody to see.

0:24:090:24:11

-And now on television.

-Yes, I'll have to hide them!

0:24:110:24:14

I have to say, in the nicest possible way,

0:24:170:24:20

that that T-shirt looks like a snug fit.

0:24:200:24:22

LAUGHTER

0:24:220:24:24

Possibly because I haven't worn it for 32 years, probably,

0:24:240:24:27

something like that.

0:24:270:24:28

So, can I ask if you are a big Clash fan?

0:24:280:24:32

Massive Clash fan. I bought my first Clash LP

0:24:320:24:35

in Woolworths, in Perth.

0:24:350:24:37

As soon as I put the first track on, that was me hooked.

0:24:370:24:40

And there's not a day goes past without me playing a Clash record.

0:24:400:24:43

This, like, putting this T-shirt on

0:24:430:24:45

and thinking of the gig in Glasgow when I bought them,

0:24:450:24:48

the back of my neck is actually tingling, thinking about it.

0:24:480:24:52

And, as he's about to discover, one of these T-shirts is my brother's!

0:24:520:24:56

OK, well, we'll save...

0:24:570:24:59

-Maybe he'll be out when the Roadshow's shown...

-Yeah, hopefully.

0:24:590:25:02

..so he'll never know that you've actually stolen his T-shirt.

0:25:020:25:05

-That's right.

-And, you know, the thing is, your passion

0:25:050:25:08

and your enthusiasm is shared with so many people.

0:25:080:25:12

-I mean, The Clash are no more, but The Clash live on.

-That's right.

0:25:120:25:15

And, actually, what you're wearing -

0:25:150:25:18

and maybe your brother's, or maybe not your brother's T-shirt -

0:25:180:25:22

are exactly those iconic images.

0:25:220:25:24

You know, it was all about a new kind of design, it was all about,

0:25:240:25:29

you know, pushing the boundaries, it was about the bringing down

0:25:290:25:31

-the system, about waving things in people's faces.

-That's right.

0:25:310:25:35

It was about, you know, anarchy, let's face it.

0:25:350:25:38

They're rock history and they're design history

0:25:380:25:41

and they are made out of rubbish fabric.

0:25:410:25:44

They were not designed to last for 30 years, but they have.

0:25:440:25:49

And they have a value.

0:25:490:25:50

I've seen them going on the internet for about 300 apiece.

0:25:500:25:54

So, I mean, putting that into pound terms,

0:25:540:25:57

-let's say £450 for the two.

-Mm, yeah.

0:25:570:26:01

You know, they go, they go well,

0:26:010:26:04

so maybe before the programme is screened,

0:26:040:26:07

you could do a deal with your brother.

0:26:070:26:09

LAUGHTER

0:26:090:26:11

I'm looking at a box with a very, very famous symbol on it,

0:26:250:26:28

which takes me straight into wanting to know what's in it.

0:26:280:26:31

The Olympic symbol is so familiar.

0:26:310:26:33

-This can only contain a medal, can't it?

-Yes, that's right.

0:26:330:26:36

So there we are, two medals, so two for the price of one.

0:26:360:26:39

Well, the medal that should be in the box is this one here,

0:26:390:26:42

which has the German eagle and swastika and the Olympic rings.

0:26:420:26:46

Berlin, 1936.

0:26:460:26:47

Yes, it's dated 1936 and it comes from the 1936 Olympic Games.

0:26:470:26:52

And on the back, there is a commemoration for services rendered at the Games.

0:26:520:26:56

-The medal was given to my grandfather, Heinz Drecher...

-Yes.

0:26:560:27:00

..because he was an employee of Osram at the time, who provided

0:27:000:27:03

all the lighting for the Olympic Games.

0:27:030:27:06

Osram is a German company, or was at that point, formed in 1906,

0:27:060:27:10

and he gets that for being involved in the production values,

0:27:100:27:15

if you like, of the Olympics.

0:27:150:27:17

And it was terribly important that Germany should impress the world.

0:27:170:27:21

It wasn't just about making sure their athletes won, it was actually

0:27:210:27:25

about having the best spectacle, the best drama, the best lighting.

0:27:250:27:29

-Everything had to be better than anybody had ever seen.

-Yes.

0:27:290:27:32

And it was a very, very famous event.

0:27:320:27:35

Everything was done to make it completely memorable.

0:27:350:27:37

So the Germans were saying to the world, "Look, this is what we are,

0:27:370:27:40

"we've recovered from the First World War,

0:27:400:27:42

"we're now dominant in every area."

0:27:420:27:44

And, of course, technology was so important.

0:27:440:27:47

Osram has an interesting history.

0:27:470:27:49

The person in charge through the 1930s was actually Jewish,

0:27:490:27:52

and he survived, apparently, until the outbreak of war,

0:27:520:27:57

when he was booted out by the Germans.

0:27:570:27:59

So he may well have been there

0:27:590:28:01

-when your grandfather was doing the Olympics.

-Yes.

0:28:010:28:03

It's taken a long time for me to bring these things to anything

0:28:030:28:06

because of the connection with a very ugly history.

0:28:060:28:09

My grandparents were not Nazis - they were very frightened people

0:28:090:28:12

who were in a country that was run by them.

0:28:120:28:14

It's where you draw the boundaries. It's a very interesting story.

0:28:140:28:17

Equally, he fought on the First World War on the wrong side,

0:28:170:28:20

-as far as we're concerned.

-Yeah.

0:28:200:28:21

-We've got to move on from those worries.

-Sure.

-What's the other box?

0:28:210:28:24

These are ceramic medals, I suppose you would call them, although they

0:28:240:28:28

don't attach in any way, and they each have a swastika in the centre.

0:28:280:28:32

-Yes.

-And, like, a flag.

0:28:320:28:33

If I turn it over, I can see in the inscription

0:28:330:28:36

that these were made for another exhibition,

0:28:360:28:38

which was the German Colonial Exhibition held in Dresden in 1939.

0:28:380:28:43

That was one of a sequence of

0:28:430:28:44

colonial exhibitions through that period.

0:28:440:28:46

The French had one, we had Wembley in 1924.

0:28:460:28:50

And this, again, I suspect, was awarded to him

0:28:500:28:53

-because he probably did the lighting at that exhibition.

-Yeah.

0:28:530:28:55

What do you remember about him? Or did you ever know him?

0:28:550:28:58

I never actually met him. He died before I was born.

0:28:580:29:00

My father and my mother told me lots of stories about him

0:29:000:29:03

and I've got a wonderful collection of photographs of him,

0:29:030:29:06

so I feel as though I know him.

0:29:060:29:07

-Did he ever come to Britain?

-He never did, no.

0:29:070:29:10

-So there's no connection here.

-No.

-You are the connection, in effect.

0:29:100:29:13

-Yes, that's right.

-This is a totally German story.

-Yes.

0:29:130:29:16

So, you know, in a sense, why are we talking about it here in Scotland?

0:29:160:29:19

Well, my mother was a nurse with the Red Cross and she was in Austria

0:29:190:29:24

-at the time when the war ended...

-At the end of the war.

0:29:240:29:26

..the Second World War ended. And my father, who is still alive,

0:29:260:29:30

was in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders.

0:29:300:29:33

And the Argylls were temporarily disbanded,

0:29:330:29:35

-but there as a peacekeeping force.

-Yeah.

0:29:350:29:37

And they had quite a lot of time on their hands and they did things

0:29:370:29:40

-like put on stage shows for the local communities.

-And meet girls.

0:29:400:29:44

Yes, and my mother saw him on stage and fancied him and met him afterwards.

0:29:440:29:48

-And the rest is history.

-Exactly!

0:29:480:29:50

So it's a great sort of... You know, that component, you know,

0:29:500:29:54

love comes into it, occupation, all those things come into it.

0:29:540:29:57

So then it becomes a Scottish story from that moment on,

0:29:570:30:00

-and here you are.

-Yes, indeed.

0:30:000:30:02

Um, I think it's lovely because it sort of takes us into

0:30:020:30:05

that great drama of the spectacle of Nazi Germany

0:30:050:30:08

and all that it represented,

0:30:080:30:10

and he having no choice but to work for it, obviously.

0:30:100:30:13

-Yes.

-I think...because of the rarity of that particular medal,

0:30:130:30:18

we're looking at something like £1,000 or £2,000.

0:30:180:30:22

-My goodness. Really?

-Yes.

0:30:220:30:26

-Oh, good.

-They're rare things, but it's a great story.

-Oh, yes.

0:30:260:30:30

I love this sort of crossing of country boundaries,

0:30:300:30:32

-bringing it all together.

-Yes.

0:30:320:30:34

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you.

0:30:340:30:36

So this wonderful architectural

0:30:390:30:41

and exotic bird cage

0:30:410:30:42

you've brought us in

0:30:420:30:43

today to look at,

0:30:430:30:45

what can you tell us about it?

0:30:450:30:46

Well, it came from Singapore...

0:30:460:30:48

Well, I bought it in the mid '60s in a place called Thieves' Market,

0:30:480:30:52

and it cost me about 25 Singapore dollars in those days.

0:30:520:30:56

I took it to an antique restorer and while it was there,

0:30:560:31:00

he phoned me up and he said,

0:31:000:31:01

"The American Ambassador's wife is here and she wants to buy it."

0:31:010:31:04

And I said, "I'm not selling it."

0:31:040:31:06

So she said, "I want it, I'm the American Ambassador's wife."

0:31:060:31:08

I said, "If you were the Queen of Sheba, I'm not going to sell it."

0:31:080:31:12

And that's the story, and it's been in the family ever since.

0:31:120:31:15

-Fantastic.

-You know...

0:31:150:31:17

I was told it was built for an emperor's birds

0:31:170:31:19

and the Chinese inscription is,

0:31:190:31:21

"A haven for my feathered friends." And it's said to be

0:31:210:31:23

a thousand pieces of bamboo, but we've never counted them, so...

0:31:230:31:27

I don't think we'll start today.

0:31:270:31:28

-No.

-We'd be here for a very, very long time.

0:31:280:31:30

We would be, we would be.

0:31:300:31:32

Well, you know, the Thieves' Market, of course,

0:31:320:31:34

is one of the longest running markets

0:31:340:31:37

on River Road in Singapore, dating back to the 1930s,

0:31:370:31:41

when a lot of the wealthy Europeans and Asians built decorative houses

0:31:410:31:45

within that sort of area and neighbourhood.

0:31:450:31:48

And, of course, the bird cage really, I think, you know -

0:31:480:31:51

early man's fascination with birds,

0:31:510:31:54

they've always realised that you actually have to cage them,

0:31:540:31:56

because they fly off or predators get them.

0:31:560:31:58

So bird cages have been around for a number of years.

0:31:580:32:02

I would have thought it's probably the sort of thing, to my eye,

0:32:020:32:05

that would have been mid 19th Century, 1850,

0:32:050:32:08

something like that, and if we look,

0:32:080:32:10

we can just sort of pull out the drawer here

0:32:100:32:13

and we can see that that's where all of the little droppings

0:32:130:32:16

would have been when taken out. It's quite well manufactured.

0:32:160:32:19

We identified earlier this lovely pair of palace-style doors,

0:32:190:32:24

and all of this gilt ornamented decoration and the carving

0:32:240:32:27

and, as you say, this inscription here. A great thing.

0:32:270:32:30

And very, as I said earlier, very architectural, with all these

0:32:300:32:34

little doors for the feed and the water and so on.

0:32:340:32:38

-And it's got this rather nice old painted surface on it.

-Yeah.

0:32:380:32:42

Which I really like, it's just been worn away, it's got great patina.

0:32:420:32:46

It's got good colour. And, in actual fact,

0:32:460:32:48

even the, you know, the gilding

0:32:480:32:50

is rather sympathetically faded,

0:32:500:32:52

which I think is all, you know, a good thing today. And I think

0:32:520:32:55

collectors, purists, want to see them in this type of condition.

0:32:550:33:00

It shows age, it shows it's been used,

0:33:000:33:02

it's been loved, and all of those things.

0:33:020:33:04

So if this came up for auction today, it would carry

0:33:040:33:08

a pre-sale estimate of between

0:33:080:33:10

£500 to £800, something like that.

0:33:100:33:12

Lovely, lovely. Well, that's great, that's absolutely great, thank you.

0:33:120:33:16

Well, when we first unpacked this item today,

0:33:170:33:20

we thought it might have been from a substance called

0:33:200:33:22

Britannia metal, but on closer examination,

0:33:220:33:24

it is solid silver, sterling silver.

0:33:240:33:26

Do you know much about it, or how it came into your possession?

0:33:260:33:29

Two years ago, before he died, my second cousin gave it to me.

0:33:290:33:33

He lived in Ely, was a bachelor.

0:33:330:33:35

Before the Second World War, he'd been a diplomat

0:33:350:33:38

and had been in the RAF.

0:33:380:33:40

-Right.

-During the Second War, he'd been shot down over Northern Italy

0:33:400:33:44

and had been a member of the Resistance,

0:33:440:33:46

and this was given to him by a good friend,

0:33:460:33:49

and the only good friend I remember him ever talking about was McDonald.

0:33:490:33:53

That's quite interesting,

0:33:530:33:55

because on the base, you've probably noticed the initials McD...

0:33:550:33:59

-Yeah.

-..which is presumably him, or refers to him.

0:33:590:34:02

But the curious thing is, it's not European silver,

0:34:020:34:05

it's actually made in America.

0:34:050:34:07

And it's made by a rather important American firm,

0:34:070:34:10

probably the leading silversmiths in America, they're called Gorham.

0:34:100:34:14

And it was the Gorham Manufacturing Company,

0:34:140:34:17

and they were based in Providence, Rhode Island.

0:34:170:34:20

So a very exclusive firm

0:34:200:34:22

and producing all sorts of very expensive wares.

0:34:220:34:24

And this is one of the things.

0:34:240:34:27

It's got this wonderful bark-textured handle,

0:34:270:34:30

three of them, and that's technically called

0:34:300:34:33

a loving cup, or a tig,

0:34:330:34:34

and the idea behind them would be that

0:34:340:34:36

at the end of a dinner, or a banquet,

0:34:360:34:38

you could pass it round and all imbibe from it, have a little drink.

0:34:380:34:42

Hence, it's got this gilt colour inside it, which is silver gilt.

0:34:420:34:46

Gorham started in about the 1820s, but this piece, I think,

0:34:460:34:51

was by a sculptor that they employed,

0:34:510:34:53

an Englishman called Thomas Pierpoint.

0:34:530:34:55

He worked for a London firm of silversmiths,

0:34:550:34:58

went out to work for Gorhams, and he did this sculptural quality,

0:34:580:35:02

quite monumental sized pieces of work, and the detail's just superb.

0:35:020:35:05

Not just the bark texturing on the handle,

0:35:050:35:08

but the roots, almost, of the tree.

0:35:080:35:10

We've got these pine cones and we've also got these fabulous pine trees

0:35:100:35:13

which are done by a process called acid etching.

0:35:130:35:16

We've also got a very pretty - amongst the trees -

0:35:160:35:19

there it is, almost like Uncle Tom's Cabin, isn't it?

0:35:190:35:22

-It is.

-Hidden away in the woodlands.

0:35:220:35:25

It's got quite a lot of value to it and we'll come to that in a second,

0:35:250:35:29

and the main reason being that American silver is very collectable.

0:35:290:35:32

-Right.

-This period is about 1880, we're going to say, circa.

0:35:320:35:36

It's got the quality of craftsmanship,

0:35:360:35:40

it's got desirability,

0:35:400:35:41

and that always commands a high price

0:35:410:35:44

if it ever comes on the market. From the point of view of valuation,

0:35:440:35:48

you'd be looking somewhere

0:35:480:35:50

in the region of £3,000 to £4,000.

0:35:500:35:52

Useful!

0:35:530:35:55

I think the proper thing would be to fill it up, wouldn't it?

0:35:550:35:58

-It would, shall we ask the Laird?

-Yes, why not?

0:35:580:36:03

Now, look at this explosion of colour - four pieces of chunky,

0:36:100:36:15

funky glass that could only be supplied by our glass guru,

0:36:150:36:18

Andy McConnell.

0:36:180:36:20

This is our Rogues' Gallery.

0:36:200:36:22

Three of these are made by Geoffrey Baxter,

0:36:220:36:24

in the 1960s, at the Whitefriars Glassworks.

0:36:240:36:27

They are much sought after, even though they're so recently made.

0:36:270:36:30

So sought after that they are sometimes faked.

0:36:300:36:33

And one of these is a little rogue in our gallery, but which is it?

0:36:330:36:38

Here's Andy McConnell with some clues.

0:36:380:36:41

This ruby piece is the hooped vase

0:36:430:36:45

and its textures remind me of Soviet brutalist concrete architecture,

0:36:450:36:49

but is it real Whitefriars?

0:36:490:36:52

The second piece is known to collectors as

0:36:550:36:57

the "mobile phone vase" - which obviously wasn't its name

0:36:570:37:00

when it was introduced in 1967 - but does it ring true?

0:37:000:37:04

Next up is the largest production piece that Whitefriars made,

0:37:070:37:10

in their most popular colour, but is it a tangerine dream?

0:37:100:37:14

Finally, this is the pineapple vase,

0:37:170:37:19

and it reminds me of a Second World War hand grenade.

0:37:190:37:22

It was a basic of the Whitefriars textured range,

0:37:220:37:25

but is it the real thing?

0:37:250:37:27

So, Andy, four pieces of glass and one of them is faked,

0:37:300:37:32

-even though they were only made 50-odd years ago.

-Yeah.

0:37:320:37:35

So they must be so desirable, if someone goes to that much trouble.

0:37:350:37:39

Yeah, I mean, you're talking about probably the most collected

0:37:390:37:43

range of British glassware from the 20th Century.

0:37:430:37:46

And there was an exhibition in '97-'98

0:37:460:37:49

where Whitefriars was presented at Manchester and London museums,

0:37:490:37:54

and it was like a lit detonator, Whitefriars just went mental,

0:37:540:37:58

and the greatest collector focus is on this stuff, which is '66-'68.

0:37:580:38:04

So Whitefriars Glassworks, then,

0:38:040:38:06

was where it was at in the '60s, was it?

0:38:060:38:07

Whitefriars was Britain's oldest glassworks.

0:38:070:38:10

It was off Fleet Street and it was moved into

0:38:100:38:12

a former Carmelite monastery, so they were the white friars.

0:38:120:38:16

-Oh, I see.

-So that's where they got their name.

0:38:160:38:19

But then they moved to Wealdstone in 1923 and when they closed

0:38:190:38:22

in 1980, they were Britain's longest established glassworks.

0:38:220:38:25

And these particular designers - Geoffrey Baxter being one of them -

0:38:250:38:28

were right at the forefront of design at the time, were they?

0:38:280:38:31

Yeah, he went to the Royal College in the early '50s,

0:38:310:38:34

came out as one of these phoenix people,

0:38:340:38:36

that Britain would rise from the ashes through good design.

0:38:360:38:39

And then in 1966, he went psychedelic - he did -

0:38:390:38:43

and look at this stuff. I mean, it's a beacon, original shapes,

0:38:430:38:46

original colours. And, boy, it was enormously popular.

0:38:460:38:50

This, in particular, was the sort of - I hate to say - iconic vase,

0:38:500:38:54

and the piece is now worth £800.

0:38:540:38:57

And what about the other values, then? I mean...

0:38:570:38:59

Not much, £100, £100, £180,

0:38:590:39:03

but still, there are some shapes being faked.

0:39:030:39:06

We don't want to blacken the whole group of Whitefriars textured glass

0:39:060:39:10

by saying they're all fakes, because they are very easy to clock.

0:39:100:39:14

-Let me tell you which one I thought. We all had a little chat about it.

-All right, OK.

0:39:140:39:18

-And everyone was going, "Blue, orange, green, red..."

-OK.

0:39:180:39:21

So the only thing I thought was, being all the glass is textured...

0:39:210:39:25

-It's called the textured range...

-Obviously, obviously.

0:39:250:39:27

I wondered about this one, it's like a piece of Lego, isn't it?

0:39:270:39:31

And the glass here was just much clearer

0:39:310:39:33

and I thought, maybe it's this one, I don't know.

0:39:330:39:36

-That one.

-You've given up?

0:39:360:39:37

-Yes, that one.

-Wrong!

-Oh.

0:39:370:39:39

You see, you were no help at all!

0:39:390:39:42

You've got to pick them up, you're not...

0:39:420:39:44

If I do this - look, look, look.

0:39:440:39:46

Now I need you to tell me, based on that...

0:39:470:39:50

Right.

0:39:500:39:51

-..which one's the wrong 'un.

-Oh, gosh.

0:39:510:39:54

If I get it wrong again, I'm going to feel like a complete plonker.

0:39:540:39:57

Right, that's a totally smooth disc, that's a totally smooth disc,

0:39:570:40:00

this is obviously not a totally smooth disc.

0:40:000:40:02

Oh, yes, this is smooth and this isn't,

0:40:020:40:04

-right, OK, so that's different.

-Got it, you got it!

0:40:040:40:07

It's really quite easy to suss it.

0:40:070:40:10

No help at all, is all I'm going to say!

0:40:100:40:13

Right, and also, it's got a "V" on here,

0:40:130:40:15

I didn't notice that was going to give it away.

0:40:150:40:17

-It's German for "vake"!

-LAUGHTER

0:40:170:40:21

So that is different, that is a polished pontil,

0:40:210:40:25

that's a polished pontil, polished pontil, and that isn't,

0:40:250:40:29

and really, that's not nearly as good.

0:40:290:40:31

-The top is really rubbish, actually.

-Is it? What's rubbish about it?

0:40:310:40:35

It's kind of wonky and they're not supposed to be that wonky.

0:40:350:40:38

But it's really the... The message lies in the soil,

0:40:380:40:41

or at least, the pontil mark.

0:40:410:40:43

So it's not like everybody's got to stop buying Whitefriars

0:40:430:40:46

because the whole area's become so dodgy,

0:40:460:40:48

because very, very few of the forms have been faked.

0:40:480:40:51

Right. Now you know what to look for - turn it over

0:40:510:40:55

and look at the mark on the bottom.

0:40:550:40:57

And there are tips on our website...

0:40:570:40:59

I hope you do better than I did!

0:41:010:41:02

Who is this chap sitting in the cockpit of this plane?

0:41:060:41:09

This is my great-grandfather, Graham Conacher Young.

0:41:090:41:11

-And all this material's to do with him?

-Yes.

0:41:110:41:13

How did you find it?

0:41:130:41:15

Well, my dad was the one who found it, he just let me look at it,

0:41:150:41:18

and I think it was amazing.

0:41:180:41:19

It was amongst your grandfather's effects?

0:41:190:41:22

-Yeah.

-You just sort of fell over it?

-Mmm.

-I mean, how lucky is that?

0:41:220:41:25

-Definitely.

-Do you know what sort of gun that is?

0:41:250:41:28

Would it be an early machine gun of some sort?

0:41:280:41:30

It's called a Lewis gun, and it was specifically made for aircraft use.

0:41:300:41:33

It has a big drum on the top

0:41:330:41:35

which held the best part of 100 cartridges.

0:41:350:41:38

The way that he would have used that - it's mounted over the wing.

0:41:380:41:41

It fires over the top of his propeller,

0:41:410:41:43

so it doesn't shoot the tip of his prop off.

0:41:430:41:45

-What was that little packet?

-Um, his medals came in here.

0:41:450:41:48

-Right.

-He got three medals.

-OK, do you want to show us them?

0:41:480:41:51

This one, he got for serving in Mesopotamia.

0:41:510:41:54

That's called the General Service Medal

0:41:540:41:56

and it was issued for smallish campaigns that people served in.

0:41:560:42:00

And it was from 1918 onwards,

0:42:000:42:03

so he must have been in there very, very late in the First World War.

0:42:030:42:07

-Yeah.

-And it says "Iraq", which is quite a current topic almost today,

0:42:070:42:12

-isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:42:120:42:13

This one, I think he got for serving in the Great War.

0:42:130:42:15

And do you know what that one's called?

0:42:150:42:17

Is it the General Service Medal?

0:42:170:42:19

No, that's the Victory Medal, and we know that it's victory

0:42:190:42:22

because there's a lady there with big wings, blowing a trumpet,

0:42:220:42:24

saying, "Ha-ha, we've won!"

0:42:240:42:26

So that's the Victory Medal, and what's the other one?

0:42:260:42:28

He got it for flying his plane, I think.

0:42:280:42:30

That always comes with the Victory Medal, and that's known as

0:42:300:42:32

the War Medal, and you always find those two together.

0:42:320:42:35

And we see a lot of those on Antiques Roadshow,

0:42:350:42:39

but yours are really special,

0:42:390:42:42

because those are to a pilot in the Royal Flying Corps,

0:42:420:42:46

which was the sort of beginning of the Air Force.

0:42:460:42:49

-Yeah.

-And in the year 2012,

0:42:490:42:52

that was the 100th anniversary that they set up

0:42:520:42:54

this Royal Flying Corps, because before that,

0:42:540:42:57

aviation had been managed separately

0:42:570:42:59

by the Army, which had detachments of balloons run by Royal Engineers,

0:42:590:43:02

or the Navy, which had its own planes.

0:43:020:43:04

But somebody thought - air is a really important strategic idea.

0:43:040:43:09

We're going to have one body that covers it

0:43:090:43:11

-and it's going to be called the Royal Flying Corps.

-Yeah.

0:43:110:43:14

And consequently, it wasn't very big, so a medal like those two

0:43:140:43:17

with Royal Flying Corps on it

0:43:170:43:19

makes them really very special. And together with that medal,

0:43:190:43:23

it gives that lovely sort of idea of his service.

0:43:230:43:25

-Yeah.

-This is an absolutely fantastic collection.

0:43:250:43:29

Have you done any sort of research about him?

0:43:290:43:31

I found the watch that he wore when he was flying,

0:43:310:43:34

and then we've got his log books here as well.

0:43:340:43:36

I think his log books will pay some very, very careful attention,

0:43:360:43:39

-if you go through those.

-Mm.

0:43:390:43:41

You've got plenty of school holidays! Go through those.

0:43:410:43:44

Of all this collection, those, I think, are the most important

0:43:440:43:48

bits about him, because they tell you what he did.

0:43:480:43:50

Have you ever thought about what it might be worth?

0:43:500:43:52

No, I think it's just a good family piece to have.

0:43:520:43:55

I don't think I'll ever sell it.

0:43:550:43:57

I think that's a very admirable attitude.

0:43:570:43:59

But I still think that you need to know what the market says

0:43:590:44:03

that these are worth, because if you had to go and buy this

0:44:030:44:08

at an auction, with all those fantastic log books,

0:44:080:44:12

the medals, the great pictures,

0:44:120:44:14

you'd be paying probably about £1,000 to £1,500,

0:44:140:44:18

-because it's just a fantastic collection.

-Yeah.

-I think it's great

0:44:180:44:21

that you keep this guy's memory alive, by this.

0:44:210:44:25

-Yeah.

-Congratulations, and thanks for bringing it.

0:44:250:44:27

Well, as a lover of really ancient books,

0:44:290:44:32

I can't tell you how excited I am

0:44:320:44:35

to get my hands on a book of such obvious antiquity.

0:44:350:44:39

It's clearly fantastically old, it's very charismatic.

0:44:390:44:43

I'm looking at it here on the table in its leather binding

0:44:430:44:46

with these tremendous locks on it. What is it?

0:44:460:44:50

It's called a Lockit book, a locked book, and it's a register

0:44:500:44:54

of all the members of the Guildry Incorporation of Perth.

0:44:540:44:57

Started in 1452.

0:44:570:44:59

The Guildry was an association of merchants and traders who controlled

0:44:590:45:03

trade in the borough and set trading standards, that kind of thing.

0:45:030:45:07

-So I'm looking at a 15th-Century book.

-15th Century, yeah.

0:45:070:45:10

And everything about the binding tells me that, in a way.

0:45:100:45:13

This wonderful dark leather is obviously characteristic,

0:45:130:45:17

but this tooling here is tremendous.

0:45:170:45:18

Very simple in its way, simple blind tooling, with these

0:45:180:45:22

crossed lines here, with some nice floral touches here and there.

0:45:220:45:26

This binding certainly dates from the very, very late

0:45:260:45:29

15th Century, perhaps into the 16th Century.

0:45:290:45:31

But you're telling me the actual contents of this book

0:45:310:45:33

-go back at least 14...

-1452 is the first entry, yes.

0:45:330:45:37

I don't know about you, but whenever I see a book with clasps

0:45:370:45:40

or locks on it, they almost ask you just to crack them open.

0:45:400:45:42

Is it OK to open them? I see one's already seen better days.

0:45:420:45:46

-Yes, yes.

-Let's have a look.

0:45:460:45:48

So, look at this, the very material from which the book

0:45:480:45:51

is made inside is also clearly medieval.

0:45:510:45:53

This, I think, is 15th-Century paper, and what paper it is!

0:45:530:45:57

Look at the thickness of that, it's absolutely tremendous.

0:45:570:46:00

In quality, it's really better than any modern paper I've seen.

0:46:000:46:03

Now, what about the content?

0:46:030:46:04

You can glean a lot of the history of the time from the entries.

0:46:040:46:08

The book also contains some very prominent autographs.

0:46:080:46:12

Notably, some Royal ones. Here we are, here.

0:46:120:46:15

That's really very exciting. I mean, for two pages of a book

0:46:170:46:20

to contain two signatures of such incredible import is amazing.

0:46:200:46:23

I mean, look, here we've got, this is James, 1601,

0:46:230:46:27

-this is James VI of Scotland.

-Yes.

0:46:270:46:30

Just a couple of years before he became James I of England.

0:46:300:46:33

Before the Union, yes, yeah.

0:46:330:46:35

And the good people of Perth managed to get a certain Charles -

0:46:350:46:38

this is 1650, so I'm assuming that's Charles II.

0:46:380:46:42

That's right, yes.

0:46:420:46:43

They managed to persuade him

0:46:430:46:44

-to sign his name on the opposite page to James VI.

-Yeah.

0:46:440:46:47

So this opening -

0:46:470:46:48

I mean, it's tremendous to see such important autographs in one book.

0:46:480:46:53

And I notice here, this brings us right up to date.

0:46:530:46:57

-That's right.

-You have Queen Elizabeth

0:46:570:47:00

and the Duke of Edinburgh, signing on the 6th July 2012.

0:47:000:47:04

-Now, you're from the Guildry Incorporation.

-That's right.

0:47:040:47:07

You're obviously in possession of something unique

0:47:070:47:09

and, of course, such a thing does have a value.

0:47:090:47:12

It's not only very old,

0:47:120:47:14

it's got some very important historical records in it.

0:47:140:47:16

It's got some tremendously important autographs in it.

0:47:160:47:19

And really, above all of that, it's just a very beautiful thing.

0:47:190:47:23

So I'm weighing up all these factors that we've talked about

0:47:230:47:26

-in my mind, and I'm adding in my head...

-Yeah.

0:47:260:47:28

..and I think I'm coming to a value

0:47:280:47:31

of £100,000.

0:47:310:47:32

HE GASPS

0:47:320:47:35

OK, right.

0:47:350:47:38

I'll have a word when I get back!

0:47:380:47:40

So a passion, clearly. Tell us all about it, share it with us.

0:47:440:47:47

Well, I started a passion, and this was the one

0:47:470:47:51

-that started it all off.

-Oh, and tell me why.

0:47:510:47:54

This was my father's, and it was presented to him

0:47:540:47:57

-on his 21st birthday, being 1923.

-And it's a beautiful case,

0:47:570:48:01

because with cigarette cases, it's important that they don't

0:48:010:48:03

show fingerprints, and this is what we call engine turning.

0:48:030:48:06

Which is actually not only decorative,

0:48:060:48:08

it has a function, in that you don't...

0:48:080:48:10

If it was polished metal, it would be like

0:48:100:48:12

touching a mirror all the time.

0:48:120:48:14

So the knack is to make the surface sort of different

0:48:140:48:16

so that one can't leave fingerprints all over it.

0:48:160:48:19

But equally, it's very decorative. It's wonderful, isn't it?

0:48:190:48:21

And the others, tell me about the others.

0:48:210:48:23

-Just collected on my travels.

-Fantastic, isn't it?

0:48:230:48:26

I'm going to follow you around, seeing this wonderful collection.

0:48:260:48:29

-Thank you.

-Wonderful, but there's one, of course, that my eye darts to

0:48:290:48:32

immediately, and it's the most beautiful case,

0:48:320:48:35

made of a green stone.

0:48:350:48:37

-And it's Siberian jade, nephrite.

-Wow.

0:48:370:48:40

Yeah, and it's an enormously chic object - in gold,

0:48:400:48:44

with a ruby clasp -

0:48:440:48:45

and it's a cigarette case. And cigarette smoking was

0:48:450:48:48

an absolute sort of epidemic in 1900, everybody did it.

0:48:480:48:52

And to elevate this rather terrible habit - now dangerous habit -

0:48:520:48:57

they would contain the cigarette in

0:48:570:49:00

the highest picture of luxury, really.

0:49:000:49:02

It's a very luxurious object, isn't it?

0:49:020:49:04

What do you know about it?

0:49:040:49:06

I just know that it's Russian and we bought it in an antique fair.

0:49:060:49:10

-Yes.

-And we thought - this is about three years ago - and we thought

0:49:100:49:15

that the Russian...all the artefacts were starting to come through.

0:49:150:49:19

-Yes.

-And we thought that it might be a bit of an investment.

0:49:190:49:22

Exactly how much did you pay for the case?

0:49:220:49:24

One and a half.

0:49:240:49:25

I think it was a great investment. Investment or not,

0:49:250:49:28

it's always going to be, you know, a most beautiful object.

0:49:280:49:31

Curiously enough, when Juliet first set eyes on Romeo, she said...

0:49:310:49:36

-Oh!

-..and it's a good claim,

0:49:360:49:39

and it's terribly relevant, you'll be surprised to hear -

0:49:390:49:41

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

0:49:410:49:45

And in a way you have, by default,

0:49:450:49:47

a Faberge cigarette case, but it isn't a Faberge cigarette case.

0:49:470:49:50

It's not one, but it has all the characteristics of it.

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The lapidary work, paper-thin jade,

0:49:550:49:57

it has to be light for the pocket, it's got to be something useable.

0:49:570:50:02

And here, we can see the hallmarks for 56, which is 14-carat gold,

0:50:020:50:05

and the crossed sceptres for St Petersburg,

0:50:050:50:08

and the unidentified maker's mark here.

0:50:080:50:11

-I don't know who the maker is.

-Ah.

0:50:110:50:12

And frankly, I don't know that there's much hope of doing it.

0:50:120:50:15

If this were by Faberge, it would be worth £40,000.

0:50:150:50:19

-Sorry?

-£40,000.

0:50:210:50:24

Wow!

0:50:240:50:25

A paper-thin cigarette case in jade, by Faberge... But, um, sadly not.

0:50:250:50:31

No, never mind.

0:50:310:50:32

A tenth of the price, so maybe £4,000, but a joy forever.

0:50:320:50:36

Wow, that is wonderful, that is wonderful, thank you so much.

0:50:360:50:40

No, a pleasure, wonderful.

0:50:400:50:42

So it's a beautiful day in Scotland,

0:50:430:50:45

you thought you'd pop along to the Antiques Roadshow

0:50:450:50:47

-and you grabbed something last-minute?

-Yes, exactly.

0:50:470:50:50

And that was chosen at the very last minute to come here, yes.

0:50:500:50:54

So, in a china cabinet, in pride of place in the house, or...?

0:50:540:50:58

In a cardboard box, in the attic.

0:50:580:51:00

So it's quite old. It's older than you or I, made in the 1750s.

0:51:000:51:05

It's from the Chelsea factory, in London,

0:51:050:51:08

who were one of the first - if not the first - factory to make

0:51:080:51:11

porcelain in this country,

0:51:110:51:13

and the soft paste of Chelsea takes these flowers so beautifully.

0:51:130:51:18

And if you look at the colour of the flowers,

0:51:180:51:20

the free way that they're painted,

0:51:200:51:22

the way that only a very skilled artist can do,

0:51:220:51:25

and this, of course, this was a real object of desire,

0:51:250:51:29

and you've grabbed it from a cardboard box, last-minute.

0:51:290:51:34

Yes, my wife was going to use it for putting cakes on,

0:51:340:51:37

but thought it wasn't big enough, so it was never actually used.

0:51:370:51:40

Well, I'm glad it wasn't,

0:51:400:51:43

because if you go on a cake-to-plate ratio,

0:51:430:51:46

it would have to be quite a special cake to go on this,

0:51:460:51:49

because this plate's worth £800.

0:51:490:51:50

-Is that right?

-Yes.

0:51:500:51:52

So, perhaps... Shall I hold on to you while you recover?

0:51:520:51:57

You'd better, yes!

0:51:570:52:00

-It's the nicest piece of porcelain I've seen today.

-Thank you.

0:52:000:52:03

James McNeill Whistler.

0:52:040:52:06

-Yes.

-And there's his lovely little device that he invented,

0:52:060:52:10

-called the Whistler butterfly.

-Yes, that's right.

0:52:100:52:13

-Never see it anywhere else, do you?

-No.

0:52:130:52:14

-It's an etching.

-Yes.

0:52:140:52:16

Was it your family's?

0:52:160:52:18

No. I was given that as a wedding present.

0:52:180:52:22

Dare I ask how long ago?

0:52:220:52:23

Er... Well, yes, quite a long time ago, er...

0:52:230:52:27

-OK, we'll leave it at that.

-Yes.

0:52:270:52:30

OK, all right. But, I mean, you know,

0:52:300:52:32

these things were rare then, weren't they?

0:52:320:52:34

Yes, but I was working at Glasgow University,

0:52:340:52:38

cataloguing the Whistler letters...

0:52:380:52:40

-How extraordinary.

-..and it was fascinating.

0:52:400:52:42

Whistler made this etching, in about 1879-1880

0:52:420:52:46

when he went to Venice in order to try and recuperate

0:52:460:52:49

and do some work after this ghastly experience he'd had with Ruskin,

0:52:490:52:52

the famous critic, who had accused him of flinging a paint pot in

0:52:520:52:57

the public's face with his painting called "The Falling Rocket".

0:52:570:53:01

So Whistler sued him for libel, and won,

0:53:010:53:05

-but he only got a farthing's damages.

-Yes.

0:53:050:53:07

And it really did sort of dent him

0:53:070:53:09

and he was really downcast and his pictures weren't selling,

0:53:090:53:12

so the Fine Art Society - his dealers - sent him to Venice

0:53:120:53:15

to go and do some etchings,

0:53:150:53:17

and he was only supposed to go there for a few weeks,

0:53:170:53:19

but he took a year and a half.

0:53:190:53:20

He visited all the cafes, he knew all the boatmen, he would

0:53:200:53:23

drink with them, eat with them, and got himself thoroughly into

0:53:230:53:26

the life of Venice. I think that shows in his etchings, because that

0:53:260:53:29

is not an immediately recognisable Venetian view to most people, is it?

0:53:290:53:33

No, no, it's not.

0:53:330:53:35

Well, Whistler came back with 100 etchings and lots of paintings.

0:53:350:53:38

The Fine Art Society had an exhibition of his work

0:53:380:53:41

and it went incredibly well.

0:53:410:53:43

Over 40,000 paying visitors came to look at it,

0:53:430:53:46

and he came back triumphant. It was the launch of his career

0:53:460:53:49

-and, commercially, he never looked back.

-Yes.

0:53:490:53:51

Now, who was Whistler, and what makes him so important?

0:53:510:53:55

Well, first of all, he was American.

0:53:550:53:57

Second of all, he brought a breath of fresh air into English art.

0:53:570:54:00

But his famous painting of "The Little White Girl",

0:54:000:54:04

or even his portrait of his mother, have become icons in our time now.

0:54:040:54:08

You love it. It might be a valuable thing, do you think?

0:54:080:54:11

-I hope so.

-Oh, do you?

-Yes.

-Is it your retirement?

0:54:110:54:15

-No, I wouldn't sell it.

-No, no.

0:54:150:54:18

How much were they worth when you were given it, do you think?

0:54:180:54:20

Oh, £30 or £40, or something.

0:54:200:54:22

-That was quite a lot then, wasn't it?

-Yes, yes.

0:54:220:54:24

Well, if I said it was worth between £10,000 and £15,000 now...

0:54:240:54:28

My goodness, gosh!

0:54:280:54:31

I never thought it was as much as that.

0:54:310:54:33

Well, yes, you see, collectors are mad for them and they do have

0:54:330:54:36

this peculiar delicacy, and I think you can see it in this one.

0:54:360:54:38

-It's a very nice one.

-Thank you.

0:54:380:54:41

I'm absolutely speechless.

0:54:420:54:46

Where has this come from?

0:54:460:54:47

Oh, it's an old family piece

0:54:470:54:48

that was commissioned,

0:54:480:54:52

we think, for a wedding in 1838.

0:54:520:54:55

Presumably, it's unique, it has the family crest here.

0:54:550:54:58

So, 1838, that's the date on the...

0:54:580:55:00

-on the silver caddy here, is it?

-Yeah.

0:55:000:55:03

And BS for Benjamin Smith - even I know him, a well-known maker.

0:55:030:55:07

It's a tea caddy, it was clearly an important family piece.

0:55:070:55:10

-What is the family?

-We are the Cornwallis family.

0:55:100:55:13

Historically, we go back to

0:55:130:55:15

Archbishop of Canterbury, in the 1200s.

0:55:150:55:19

Then my ancestor was responsible for surrendering America in 1781,

0:55:190:55:24

which has always made us very popular over there.

0:55:240:55:28

And one of his children had this commissioned.

0:55:280:55:31

That's as much as I know, really.

0:55:310:55:33

So that was a wedding, 1838 is a wedding date, OK.

0:55:330:55:36

Well, I'm going to disappoint you - it's not 1838 at all.

0:55:360:55:40

It's George III, the 1780s, well, the outside is.

0:55:400:55:45

This is one of the most wonderful tea caddies

0:55:450:55:48

I've ever seen in my life.

0:55:480:55:49

It's the most extraordinary rectangular Bombay shape -

0:55:490:55:53

Bombay being this curved ogee shape - on all four sides,

0:55:530:55:56

with the most incredible marquetry.

0:55:560:55:59

Just take the front here, these lovely flowers, all hand-cut,

0:55:590:56:04

on what's called a harewood or sycamore ground.

0:56:040:56:06

This sort of fiddle back here, like the back of a violin.

0:56:060:56:10

It's the most expensive wood you could imagine.

0:56:100:56:12

On the sides and top, we've got a little bit of ivory,

0:56:120:56:14

little flowers, just to enliven it a little bit.

0:56:140:56:16

We're seeing it in its old, rather, shall we say,

0:56:160:56:19

sad, deteriorated condition. It's very faded.

0:56:190:56:22

When it was made originally, it would have been

0:56:220:56:24

very bright colours, and I think probably, we wouldn't like it.

0:56:240:56:26

I think it would have been far too bright, far too colourful and gaudy.

0:56:260:56:29

There's no doubt that the silver lid has been put in later,

0:56:290:56:32

perhaps to commemorate a marriage, that makes sense.

0:56:320:56:34

-Right.

-Let's look at the box itself.

0:56:340:56:37

Well, with time, I could probably find out exactly who made it,

0:56:370:56:40

but my initial reaction would be a firm, a London firm called

0:56:400:56:43

Mayhew and Ince, very important makers, the same time

0:56:430:56:46

as Thomas Chippendale, or slightly later than him.

0:56:460:56:49

I think Mayhew and Ince, with this wonderful marquetry.

0:56:490:56:51

When people recognise me on the Antiques Roadshow, they say,

0:56:510:56:54

"What's the best thing you've ever recorded?"

0:56:540:56:56

I've never really been sure -

0:56:560:56:58

I've come up with one or two wonderful things,

0:56:580:57:00

I've seen many wonderful things over the years.

0:57:000:57:02

This is, without doubt, the best piece I've ever seen

0:57:020:57:05

-on The Antiques Roadshow.

-Good Lord!

0:57:050:57:08

It appeals to me academically, aesthetically and historically.

0:57:080:57:13

Well, as an object with a crest,

0:57:130:57:17

dare I say £20,000 to £30,000?

0:57:170:57:21

Good Lord!

0:57:210:57:23

Hmm!

0:57:270:57:29

Thank you very much.

0:57:290:57:31

A glance at the time on this handbag tells me

0:57:400:57:43

it is about time to end the programme.

0:57:430:57:45

Look over my shoulder here -

0:57:450:57:46

the experts are just sitting around, exhausted.

0:57:460:57:49

We don't normally show you what it's like once the public

0:57:490:57:52

have started to leave, but we've had 2,500 visitors

0:57:520:57:54

to the programme today,

0:57:540:57:55

here at the Palace of Scone, in this glorious sunshine,

0:57:550:57:59

and everyone's feeling just a little worn.

0:57:590:58:01

So when I saw this handbag that was brought along by

0:58:010:58:04

one of our visitors, I couldn't resist having a little look at it.

0:58:040:58:07

One, it matches my outfit.

0:58:070:58:09

And two, looking at that watch tells me it's about time to go home.

0:58:090:58:12

So, from the Antiques Roadshow

0:58:120:58:14

and the team - what's left of it - bye-bye.

0:58:140:58:17

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