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In the year that Scotland decides on its potential independence, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
what more fitting place to be than Scone Palace, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
where the first Scottish Council sat over 1,000 years ago. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow, from Perth. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
This is Moot Hill, in the grounds of Scone Palace. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
And this is the legendary Stone of Scone. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
Where exactly it comes from is a mystery, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
but since the Ninth Century, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
every monarch of Scotland has been seated upon it | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
for their coronation ceremony, including Robert the Bruce. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Except, this isn't the real stone, this is a copy. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
The real stone - as all the guidebooks will tell you - is in Edinburgh. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
But that's not what everyone believes. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
After Edward I had conquered Scotland in 1296, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
he ordered the stone be taken to Westminster Abbey. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
There, it was placed into the Coronation Chair, upon which | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
every monarch of our nation has sat to be crowned ever since. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
Of course, this isn't the real Coronation Chair - | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
the real Coronation Chair is in Westminster Abbey - but some | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
people believe that the stone in that chair isn't real either. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
The story goes that when the Abbot of Scone heard Edward's men were coming, he had a copy made | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
and hid the actual stone somewhere in the palace grounds. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
After all, it was one of the nation's most sacred objects. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
If the story's true, it would mean that the stone that's been used | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
for generations of monarchs in the coronation ceremony, right up to | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
the present day with Queen Elizabeth II, that that stone is a copy. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
And the story doesn't end there. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
On Christmas morning, 1950, the stone was stolen | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
from Westminster Abbey by a group of Scottish students. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
Four months later, it turned up at Arbroath Abbey | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
and, from there, it was returned to London. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
So which is the real Stone of Scone? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Well, you'll never stop the rumours, but one thing's for sure, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
this is probably the most contentious stone in Britain. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Out on the palace lawns, our experts are ready to take up | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
the quest of unearthing some treasures themselves. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
And if you want to try your hand at valuing antiques, why not play along | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
via our app, or by pressing the red button on your remote control? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Best of luck. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
The wonderful world of jewellery is always full of surprises. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Now, when I picked this out, the surprise on your face! | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
What did you think? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
It's... I find it kind of hideous. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
-Do you? -I phoned Mum, and I said, "Mum, she picked the ugly one!" | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
JOANNA LAUGHS | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Well, this is what's interesting, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
-because you had, actually, a cameo and a diamond watch. -Uh-huh. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
And then you had this as well. Now, quite an eclectic... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Two very traditional pieces of jewellery, and then this. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
So how did you acquire this? How did your mother get this? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Um, it was given to her by her godmother, who lived in Edinburgh. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
And has she worn it? Have you seen your mother wear it? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
-I've never seen her wear it. -The ugly brooch. -Yes! | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Well, this is the beauty of jewellery, that we do tend to | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
think of jewellery being traditional, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
with diamonds and silver | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
and the antique and gold, but there is a whole other | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
world of jewellery out there which I actually get very excited about. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
And this is from the '60s. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
After the war, jewellery wasn't really that exciting, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
it was very traditional, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
and then in the '60s, people were wanting to really break out. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
They were breaking out everywhere else, in fashion and music, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
but what hadn't happened was jewellery - it was left behind. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
But there was one person that initiated innovative design | 0:04:34 | 0:04:40 | |
and creativity, and putting the creativity back into jewellery, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
but he used stones in their natural way. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
The '60s was all about being organic, going with the flow, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
using rock crystals, not cutting stones to a traditional way. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
So there was another person that was also of the same thought, | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
and he was called Charles de Temple. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Now, I'm going to turn it over... | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
..and you see this magic signature of Charles de Temple. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I got so excited when I saw that, I really did. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
You know, he's quite an unknown jeweller of the '60s period, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
but he had quite an exciting life. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
He worked in very different areas of art. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
He worked with Alexander Calder, the sculptor, Pierre Cardin, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
with Paco Rabanne in the fashion world. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
So these influences brought his designs into being something | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
very innovative and different, and this is one such piece. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:39 | |
It isn't about the intrinsic value there, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
but do you see that he's used these topaz crystals, uncut crystals? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
-Mmm, yes. -And he's got two cultured pearls there, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
and it's nine-carat gold. It was made in England. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
It's quite stunning. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
So, I mean, value... | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
In an auction at the moment, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
I would say it's in the region of about £3,000. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
-Wow! Mum said to me about 250. -£250? -Yes. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
It's no longer an ugly brooch! | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
Oh, my goodness. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
There are snuff bottles and there are snuff bottles. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
You know, I think it's stunning work. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
-I mean, what do you think about it? -I think it's lovely. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
And have you had it long? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
Um, it belonged to my late husband's family. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I've had it for maybe about 20 years. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
At the front of the bottle here - | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
I'm not sure which is the front and the back, the carving's so amazing - | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
there's a nobleman being served some food in a landscaped garden. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
At the back of the bottle here, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
we have a lady at her toilet, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
being attended to. One of the attendants is holding a mirror | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
and another one's combing her hair. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Round the back of the figures, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
there's detail, behind the figures, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
and it's relief, but it's such high relief, it's amazing. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
It's been polychromed, you know, it's been painted, as you can see. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
-Yes. -It's made of ivory. It's stunning, it really is. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
It's one of the nicest I've ever seen. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
It's a good size. Often, they can be dinky, tiny things, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
but this one is very substantial and collectors love these. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
-Do they? -I mean, have you ever taken it anywhere to have it valued? | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
-No idea of its value? -No, none. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
Well, it's 19th Century, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
and this is such a fine example of this relief carving. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
It's got a little chip here and, of course, the lid of the snuff | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-and the snuff spoon is missing. -Yes. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-It would have had a domed lid, probably coral. -Oh, right. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Coral and jet maybe, like a jet ring with a coral dome lid. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
-That's missing, and that's a shame. -Right. -Some people | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
would probably value this at 800 to 1,200, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
but I'm going to stick my neck out, and I think in the right auction, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
to a collector that doesn't have an ivory bottle of this quality, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
I think they could spend as much as £3,000 on this. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
-Oh, my goodness! -I really do. -Oh, my goodness! | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Coming to Scotland, the one thing I left at home this year - | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
-not expecting this wonderful day - was my sunhat. -Oh, dear. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
So when you turned up at my desk with this hatbox, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
I thought, "Going to make my day," because you've brought me a sunhat. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
-Very good. -So, um, let's have a quick look. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
If you'd just like to hold on to that. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
Not a hat, but something that looks a bit like a hat. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
-I think this is a hat maker's machine. -Yes, I believe it is. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
-How it works is that your customer would come in... -Yeah. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
..you would have very delicately placed this on your customer's head, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
-something like that... -Yeah. -..and pressed it down. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
-I won't do it now because it's quite delicate. -That's right. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
And all these little levers at the side would have moved out | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
to make an exact impression around your...where the | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
-brim of the hat would have gone. -That's right, aye. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
-And how did that get recorded? -Well, as far as I understand, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
the pins in this machine then formed the shape of the person's head | 0:09:09 | 0:09:15 | |
and these formed an impression on this piece of paper here, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
and that was a way of recording somebody's head shape and size. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
So I believe. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
-But this is so beautifully made, isn't it? -I know. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
-I mean, it's not cheap and cheerful. -No. -It's made out of ebony, brass. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
-Yeah. -And all the little keys here are mother-of-pearl. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I know. It's amazingly complicated. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
I think this was a first-class hatter, don't you? | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
I think it must have been. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
It came from an old shop in Dundee that was being cleared out. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
It was a gents' outfitters | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
and the people clearing out the cellar gave me a phone call, saying, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
"There's something that you might be interested in." | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
-So I acquired it just recently, actually. -Fantastic. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
What I like about it also is that it has the name of the maker, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Allie Aine, of Paris. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
And although you've got this miniature impression here, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
how was that then transformed into the full-size hat? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-I see there's another piece in here. -That's right. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
So if we just take that out and ask you to put the lid back on... | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
So you've got this paper impression, which was in miniature. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
-That's right. -And then what happened? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
Well, as I understand it, then they took this piece here, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
and I suppose there were pins put in there, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
and they would match the pinholes on the paper and then this would | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
then slide out and form a shape of the person's head exactly so. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:32 | |
-Clever stuff, wasn't it? -Complicated stuff, yes. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
But clever, so it made... It ensured that your hat was made to measure. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
Yeah, absolutely made to measure and unique to that individual. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
Well, I can tell you that this manufacturer patented this model | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
-in 1846. -Oh, right, yeah. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
-This was probably made a few years later, so 1850, mid-Victorian. -OK. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
I think it's a fantastic idea, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
it's a wonderful contraption and quite rare. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
-I'll tell you how much I paid, if you want. -If you like. -100 quid. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
-You got the whole lot for 100 quid? -Yes. -Why wasn't I there?! | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Well, I didn't really know what it was or what it was worth, so it was just a guess. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
-But for £100, you're not going to lose. -Well, that's what I felt. -Yeah, well, I love it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
I mean, I think it's just a lovely piece of Victorian mechanism, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
beautifully made, very high quality, top Paris maker. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
I think at auction, you're talking between £600 to £800 now. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Well, that's not bad. I think I might sell it. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
We've seen, inevitably, a lot of Monart come in today, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
because it was made here and it's your glass. You know, it's really... | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
You can't get more Perth than Monart. So this is | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
a particularly nice one, and where did it come into your life? | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Well, basically, it was my uncle's, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and when he died, I was his sole relative, really. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:50 | |
I had to clear the house and that was where we found it, 21 years ago, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
and I was putting it to the charity. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
OK, so why didn't you? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Because somebody told me it was Monart and my husband said, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
"Well, no, we will keep it." | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
So the number-one rule | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
of recognising Monart is - turn it over. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
And in the centre of the base, there is a unique... Over the years, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
I worked out the other day that I've probably handled half a million | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
pieces of glass in my time, and the only ones ever that I've ever | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
handled that have this projecting mark there, pontil mark, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
the raised pontil mark, only Monart, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
in the history of world glass-making. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
So if it's got that, then the chances are it's plain, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
it's just polished off, and they put the paper sticker just on there. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
That's how it was. This is known as the Cloisonne range. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
Cloisonne is enamelling. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
It means where little fields are filled in with colour, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
and this reference to cloisonne are these little fields of colour here. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
So it was a really a difficult one to make, and the orange | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
and the white field, they cooled at different temperatures | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
because they're different chemical properties, and they cracked. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-Right. -So most of these were lost. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
So they didn't make many of them because, really, it was a pain, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
they proved a pain. They tried them, they didn't work very well. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
About 1935, thereabouts. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
So you've got a rare piece, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
-so it's an extra pleasure that you didn't, you know, bin it. -Yes. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
And if you get the idea, what they do is, they dip it in the colour... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
If you think of toffee apple, they put the orange... | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
-dipped the orange into some white glass. -Uh-huh. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
And then you blow it. It's like the creation of the world, you know, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
all the continents parting from a single mass. That's what it's like. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
And, as such, as a rare piece, even though these have probably lost almost half their value - | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
Monart as a genre has lost half its value over the last ten years - | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
this one, still, in auction, you selling it, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
is between £600 and £700, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
which makes it the most valuable piece of Monart I've seen today. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
Well, I was offered 100 for it at the time, but... | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
No, that's excellent. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
Gosh, it's been sitting in a cupboard! | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Get it out. Give it some air. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Now, here's a very relaxed horse | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
after what I think must have been a pretty severe workout, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
because we've got all the grooming materials here | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
and he's tucking into some | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
well-earned hay, by the looks of it. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
And it's by John Emms, 1892. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
-Was it your family's? -Yes, it's a family picture. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
My grandfather was a Royal Scots Grey. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
He had an affiliation for any grey painted horse. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
-It's a fine grey, isn't it? -It is. Beautiful. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
I mean, the thing about John Emms is, he was a superb horseman. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
I mean, usually, you'd expect to see a few dogs around as well, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
because he was very good at painting dogs. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
They always have these extraordinary human characteristics about them. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
But this horse does too. It's a splendid grey and it's... | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
There's a label on the back that says the grey's name is Champion. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
-So that doesn't ring any bells with you in your family? -It doesn't, no. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
-So it's just a grey. -Yeah. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
Well, it's beautiful, and he understood the anatomy of a horse | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
so well, I think. You know, if you can imagine that he spent | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
some time in the abattoir - sorry about this - looking at dead horses, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
I mean, it's the only way you understand about muscles and bones. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
And then if you look at this horse, you can see that | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
every muscle - even though it's quite quickly painted - | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
is well understood, and this horse is superbly put together, I think. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
Are you a horseman? | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
No, I'm not, but my wife used to be a pretty useful rider | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
when she was younger. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
But I never tire of looking at this picture. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
It's just so beautiful. The form, I think, is just... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
-Yes, do you find it restful? -It's almost alive. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
Yeah, it is almost alive. He's got... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
He uses a number of very clever visual tricks to do that, John Emms, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
I've often noticed with him... I mean, it's almost photographic. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
There's a sort of depth of field here. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
The horse seems sharply in focus, but he's very cleverly just - | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and really quickly - just painted the straw | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
and the hay around it, and this light that comes in across | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
this loose box, which presumably the horse is in, is well understood. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
But the whole thing done with the utmost speed and brevity, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
and only somebody who's completely confident of his anatomy | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
and of painting can do that, I think. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
So, really, it's a very successful horse painting. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
I don't suppose money is a thing that you've really concerned yourself with, but... | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
Because people love pictures, they just leave them on their walls for generations. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
-I haven't got a clue how much it's worth at all. -No, no. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Well, I would say between £3,000 and £5,000 at auction. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
And, um, anyone would be glad to have it | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
and probably pay a bit more, especially somebody who liked greys. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
-My daughter's already claimed it, I think. -Children do that. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
Looking at this face, I can almost hear my grandmother say, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
"It's a face only a mother would love." | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Is it something you love? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Yes, indeed. It's strange, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
but I was most attracted to it. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
So what's your connection to it? | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
Both my parents were Londoners and my maternal grandmother - | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
who lived in Kew, I think, at the time - | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
their family were friends with the Martins. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
We had quite a lot in the family. When my mother died, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
I certainly decided that's the one I was going to have. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
-So from the family connection of Martinware, this is the one you chose? -Indeed, yes. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
Well, it is a lovely example. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
It's a little imp playing a tambourine, and it's fully marked | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
on the back, as you'd expect, "RW Martin, London, Southall," | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
and dated 1900, which is quite late in their time. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
And Martin Brothers were a very well-known family of potters. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
Robert Wallace Martin, who signed this, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
is probably the man responsible for it. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
And they made a small quantity of quite idiosyncratic pieces | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
which they're well-known for, as well as the ordinary vases. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
But it's always these figures which are more interesting, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
and they turn up from time to time. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
But they are rare and they are special. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
So, not that it's ever going to come on the market, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
because I know you treasure it, if this did come onto the market today, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
you would be looking to realise something like £3,000. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Really? Mm, lovely. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
-So you picked all right. -Thank you very much. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
-It's a pleasure, look after him. -Thank you. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Do you remember at the beginning of the programme, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
I was telling you about the mystery of the Stone of Scone? | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Well, we found out just last night that a member of our own crew - | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Joe, here, who is our sound man - is connected to the Stone of Scone. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
It was your father, wasn't it, Joe? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Yes, my father, John Manley, was a radiation X-ray specialist | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
with the Ministry of Defence, and his job was to build | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
the X-ray machine that you put your bag through at the airport. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
-Oh, so it's all down to him? -It's all his fault, yes. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
Because it gave you the instant image, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
rather than having to take the film and develop it. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
But because of his knowledge of X-rays, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
in July 1973, he was accompanied up to Westminster Abbey | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
by people from the Home Office and special policemen, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
and he X-rayed the Stone of Scone | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
that sits under the Coronation Chair. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
So they had to take it out from underneath the Coronation Chair, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
take it to Poets' Corner, took five blasts to get an X-ray | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
strong enough to get through the stone... | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
-Because it's such a massive thing, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
..and eventually produced an X-ray | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
which showed the three metal rods that are inside. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
The three metal rods are believed to be inside | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
because when the students - those Scottish Nationalist students - | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
stole it in the 1950s, they broke it, didn't they? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
They did. As they took it out, they dropped it and broke it, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
and when they got to Scotland, it was repaired. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
And these bolts were put inside to hold it together. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
Because then there was a whole conspiracy theory - | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
I mean, there are so many surrounding the Stone of Scone - | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
that the stone that was then returned from the stonemasons | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
was not the original stone. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
And what did your dad think? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
Oh, he knew it was the real one, he had no doubts at all. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Very much a scientist. If there's an X-ray, it's the real thing. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
How amazing. Well, there you are. Who'd have thought it? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
-From within our own team... -PEACOCK SQUAWKS | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
And the peacock thinks it's pretty amazing as well! | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
From within our own team, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
a little bit more knowledge about the Stone of Scone. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Three pieces of Oriental porcelain. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Do they have a history? | 0:20:02 | 0:20:03 | |
Not that I know of. They've been | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
in the family for three generations. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
Right. And was anything | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
said about them - | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
where they came from, what they were for? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
They belonged to my grandmother. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
The bowl was supposed to be a bleeding bowl. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
I'll come to the bowl in a moment. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
I want to start with these. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:21 | |
The shape, in China, is known as a "gu". | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
It's a shape that goes way back into the Bronze Age, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
into the Shang and the Zhou dynasties, 2,000, 3,000 years BC. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
And it's a shape that's survived all of those years. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
For 5,000 years, the Chinese have been making this shape. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
The decoration of these gu is in what is called | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
the green family of enamels - the famille verte, as it's known, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
or at least was known from the 19th Century as famille verte. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
These are transparent enamels painted onto | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
the surface of the glaze and they immediately suggest | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
the late 17th and the early 18th Century. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
This was the prevalent colour pattern that the Chinese | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
painted all of their colourful porcelains at the time. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
However, these are NOT late 17th Century, early 18th Century. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
They are copies. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
Oh. That's disappointing. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
They are copies, made probably in the early to mid-19th Century, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
but they have a decorative value. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
Let's go to the bleeding bowl, as you know it. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
There are three colours that immediately point us towards Japan - | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
the underglazed blue, the red and the gold. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
Those three colours are the essential colours | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
in the Imari palette, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
a colour palette which the Japanese started in the mid-1600s. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
It became very, very popular in Europe. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
This is not a Japanese shape, it's a European shape, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
and so it was made in Japan for European consumption. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
But actually, the elements are typically Japanese. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
I particularly like this detail here. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
-Look at this fellow here. -Yes. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
The little hare leaping across a stream. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
And then the other motifs are just very stylised, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
almost sort of fabric designs, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
with a central design of a flower vase on a terrace. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
I've always wondered why there were two holes in it. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
Ah, the two holes here, because if you wanted to put this to one side | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
-when it had been used, you put it on the wall. -Ah. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
And you'd put a loop through here, a wire or a string loop, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
and it would hang nice, nicely against the wall, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
either backside facing forward or, more decoratively, that way. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
Now, you called it a bleeding bowl. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
Yes, it was always known in the family as a bleeding bowl. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
These bowls were used by barbers as bleeding bowls. In fact, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
they had two functions - one was to bleed a client who wasn't well. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
One of his four humours was out of balance, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
and so in order to relieve - or to get the balance back - | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
-you have to relieve a little blood from the vein. -Yes. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
But, of course, barbers did another job, as well as bleeding patients. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
They did your shave in the mornings. So the gap for your bleeding arm | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
receiving the blood in the centre | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
-could equally well be used for your morning shave. -Oh, yes. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
If they could get it through your second chin. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
-I'm finding it difficult! -LAUGHTER | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
So these are multifunctional bowls for bleeding | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
or for trimming a beard. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
And this dates from the early 1700s, so it's 300 years old. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
These are early 19th-century, so much, much younger. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
Value... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
I think it's a rare object, it's in beautiful condition, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
considering that it's tortured many clients over the years. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
I think today, it's probably worth between £400 and £700. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
As much as that? | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
So this is old and these are much, much younger, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
these are basically copies. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
But these, in today's market, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
are probably worth between £3,000 and £5,000. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
-Oh, my God! -And... | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
And they've been sitting in the front hall! | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
-And that.. -They sit in my front window, by the front door, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
for everybody to see. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
-And now on television. -Yes, I'll have to hide them! | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
I have to say, in the nicest possible way, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
that that T-shirt looks like a snug fit. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Possibly because I haven't worn it for 32 years, probably, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
something like that. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
So, can I ask if you are a big Clash fan? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
Massive Clash fan. I bought my first Clash LP | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
in Woolworths, in Perth. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
As soon as I put the first track on, that was me hooked. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
And there's not a day goes past without me playing a Clash record. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
This, like, putting this T-shirt on | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
and thinking of the gig in Glasgow when I bought them, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
the back of my neck is actually tingling, thinking about it. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
And, as he's about to discover, one of these T-shirts is my brother's! | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
OK, well, we'll save... | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
-Maybe he'll be out when the Roadshow's shown... -Yeah, hopefully. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
..so he'll never know that you've actually stolen his T-shirt. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
-That's right. -And, you know, the thing is, your passion | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
and your enthusiasm is shared with so many people. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
-I mean, The Clash are no more, but The Clash live on. -That's right. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
And, actually, what you're wearing - | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
and maybe your brother's, or maybe not your brother's T-shirt - | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
are exactly those iconic images. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
You know, it was all about a new kind of design, it was all about, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
you know, pushing the boundaries, it was about the bringing down | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
-the system, about waving things in people's faces. -That's right. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
It was about, you know, anarchy, let's face it. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
They're rock history and they're design history | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
and they are made out of rubbish fabric. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
They were not designed to last for 30 years, but they have. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
And they have a value. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
I've seen them going on the internet for about 300 apiece. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
So, I mean, putting that into pound terms, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
-let's say £450 for the two. -Mm, yeah. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
You know, they go, they go well, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
so maybe before the programme is screened, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
you could do a deal with your brother. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
I'm looking at a box with a very, very famous symbol on it, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
which takes me straight into wanting to know what's in it. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
The Olympic symbol is so familiar. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
-This can only contain a medal, can't it? -Yes, that's right. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
So there we are, two medals, so two for the price of one. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Well, the medal that should be in the box is this one here, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
which has the German eagle and swastika and the Olympic rings. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
Berlin, 1936. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:47 | |
Yes, it's dated 1936 and it comes from the 1936 Olympic Games. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
And on the back, there is a commemoration for services rendered at the Games. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
-The medal was given to my grandfather, Heinz Drecher... -Yes. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
..because he was an employee of Osram at the time, who provided | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
all the lighting for the Olympic Games. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Osram is a German company, or was at that point, formed in 1906, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
and he gets that for being involved in the production values, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
if you like, of the Olympics. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
And it was terribly important that Germany should impress the world. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
It wasn't just about making sure their athletes won, it was actually | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
about having the best spectacle, the best drama, the best lighting. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
-Everything had to be better than anybody had ever seen. -Yes. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
And it was a very, very famous event. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Everything was done to make it completely memorable. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
So the Germans were saying to the world, "Look, this is what we are, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
"we've recovered from the First World War, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
"we're now dominant in every area." | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
And, of course, technology was so important. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Osram has an interesting history. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
The person in charge through the 1930s was actually Jewish, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and he survived, apparently, until the outbreak of war, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
when he was booted out by the Germans. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
So he may well have been there | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
-when your grandfather was doing the Olympics. -Yes. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
It's taken a long time for me to bring these things to anything | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
because of the connection with a very ugly history. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
My grandparents were not Nazis - they were very frightened people | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
who were in a country that was run by them. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
It's where you draw the boundaries. It's a very interesting story. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Equally, he fought on the First World War on the wrong side, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-as far as we're concerned. -Yeah. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
-We've got to move on from those worries. -Sure. -What's the other box? | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
These are ceramic medals, I suppose you would call them, although they | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
don't attach in any way, and they each have a swastika in the centre. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
-Yes. -And, like, a flag. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
If I turn it over, I can see in the inscription | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
that these were made for another exhibition, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
which was the German Colonial Exhibition held in Dresden in 1939. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
That was one of a sequence of | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
colonial exhibitions through that period. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
The French had one, we had Wembley in 1924. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
And this, again, I suspect, was awarded to him | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
-because he probably did the lighting at that exhibition. -Yeah. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
What do you remember about him? Or did you ever know him? | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
I never actually met him. He died before I was born. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
My father and my mother told me lots of stories about him | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
and I've got a wonderful collection of photographs of him, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
so I feel as though I know him. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
-Did he ever come to Britain? -He never did, no. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
-So there's no connection here. -No. -You are the connection, in effect. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
-Yes, that's right. -This is a totally German story. -Yes. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
So, you know, in a sense, why are we talking about it here in Scotland? | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
Well, my mother was a nurse with the Red Cross and she was in Austria | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
-at the time when the war ended... -At the end of the war. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
..the Second World War ended. And my father, who is still alive, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
was in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
And the Argylls were temporarily disbanded, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
-but there as a peacekeeping force. -Yeah. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
And they had quite a lot of time on their hands and they did things | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
-like put on stage shows for the local communities. -And meet girls. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Yes, and my mother saw him on stage and fancied him and met him afterwards. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
-And the rest is history. -Exactly! | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
So it's a great sort of... You know, that component, you know, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
love comes into it, occupation, all those things come into it. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
So then it becomes a Scottish story from that moment on, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
-and here you are. -Yes, indeed. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
Um, I think it's lovely because it sort of takes us into | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
that great drama of the spectacle of Nazi Germany | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
and all that it represented, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
and he having no choice but to work for it, obviously. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
-Yes. -I think...because of the rarity of that particular medal, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
we're looking at something like £1,000 or £2,000. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
-My goodness. Really? -Yes. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
-Oh, good. -They're rare things, but it's a great story. -Oh, yes. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
I love this sort of crossing of country boundaries, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
-bringing it all together. -Yes. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
So this wonderful architectural | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
and exotic bird cage | 0:30:41 | 0:30:42 | |
you've brought us in | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
today to look at, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
what can you tell us about it? | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
Well, it came from Singapore... | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Well, I bought it in the mid '60s in a place called Thieves' Market, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
and it cost me about 25 Singapore dollars in those days. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
I took it to an antique restorer and while it was there, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
he phoned me up and he said, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
"The American Ambassador's wife is here and she wants to buy it." | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
And I said, "I'm not selling it." | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
So she said, "I want it, I'm the American Ambassador's wife." | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
I said, "If you were the Queen of Sheba, I'm not going to sell it." | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
And that's the story, and it's been in the family ever since. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
-Fantastic. -You know... | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
I was told it was built for an emperor's birds | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
and the Chinese inscription is, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
"A haven for my feathered friends." And it's said to be | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
a thousand pieces of bamboo, but we've never counted them, so... | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
I don't think we'll start today. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
-No. -We'd be here for a very, very long time. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
We would be, we would be. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Well, you know, the Thieves' Market, of course, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
is one of the longest running markets | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
on River Road in Singapore, dating back to the 1930s, | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
when a lot of the wealthy Europeans and Asians built decorative houses | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
within that sort of area and neighbourhood. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
And, of course, the bird cage really, I think, you know - | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
early man's fascination with birds, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
they've always realised that you actually have to cage them, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
because they fly off or predators get them. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
So bird cages have been around for a number of years. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
I would have thought it's probably the sort of thing, to my eye, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
that would have been mid 19th Century, 1850, | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
something like that, and if we look, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
we can just sort of pull out the drawer here | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
and we can see that that's where all of the little droppings | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
would have been when taken out. It's quite well manufactured. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
We identified earlier this lovely pair of palace-style doors, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
and all of this gilt ornamented decoration and the carving | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
and, as you say, this inscription here. A great thing. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
And very, as I said earlier, very architectural, with all these | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
little doors for the feed and the water and so on. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
-And it's got this rather nice old painted surface on it. -Yeah. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
Which I really like, it's just been worn away, it's got great patina. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
It's got good colour. And, in actual fact, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
even the, you know, the gilding | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
is rather sympathetically faded, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
which I think is all, you know, a good thing today. And I think | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
collectors, purists, want to see them in this type of condition. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
It shows age, it shows it's been used, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
it's been loved, and all of those things. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
So if this came up for auction today, it would carry | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
a pre-sale estimate of between | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
£500 to £800, something like that. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
Lovely, lovely. Well, that's great, that's absolutely great, thank you. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
Well, when we first unpacked this item today, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
we thought it might have been from a substance called | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Britannia metal, but on closer examination, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
it is solid silver, sterling silver. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
Do you know much about it, or how it came into your possession? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Two years ago, before he died, my second cousin gave it to me. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
He lived in Ely, was a bachelor. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Before the Second World War, he'd been a diplomat | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
and had been in the RAF. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
-Right. -During the Second War, he'd been shot down over Northern Italy | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
and had been a member of the Resistance, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
and this was given to him by a good friend, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
and the only good friend I remember him ever talking about was McDonald. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
That's quite interesting, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
because on the base, you've probably noticed the initials McD... | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
-Yeah. -..which is presumably him, or refers to him. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
But the curious thing is, it's not European silver, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
it's actually made in America. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
And it's made by a rather important American firm, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
probably the leading silversmiths in America, they're called Gorham. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
And it was the Gorham Manufacturing Company, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
and they were based in Providence, Rhode Island. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
So a very exclusive firm | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
and producing all sorts of very expensive wares. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
And this is one of the things. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
It's got this wonderful bark-textured handle, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
three of them, and that's technically called | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
a loving cup, or a tig, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:34 | |
and the idea behind them would be that | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
at the end of a dinner, or a banquet, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
you could pass it round and all imbibe from it, have a little drink. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
Hence, it's got this gilt colour inside it, which is silver gilt. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
Gorham started in about the 1820s, but this piece, I think, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
was by a sculptor that they employed, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
an Englishman called Thomas Pierpoint. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
He worked for a London firm of silversmiths, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
went out to work for Gorhams, and he did this sculptural quality, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
quite monumental sized pieces of work, and the detail's just superb. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Not just the bark texturing on the handle, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
but the roots, almost, of the tree. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
We've got these pine cones and we've also got these fabulous pine trees | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
which are done by a process called acid etching. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
We've also got a very pretty - amongst the trees - | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
there it is, almost like Uncle Tom's Cabin, isn't it? | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
-It is. -Hidden away in the woodlands. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
It's got quite a lot of value to it and we'll come to that in a second, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
and the main reason being that American silver is very collectable. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
-Right. -This period is about 1880, we're going to say, circa. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
It's got the quality of craftsmanship, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
it's got desirability, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
and that always commands a high price | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
if it ever comes on the market. From the point of view of valuation, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
you'd be looking somewhere | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
in the region of £3,000 to £4,000. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
Useful! | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
I think the proper thing would be to fill it up, wouldn't it? | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
-It would, shall we ask the Laird? -Yes, why not? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:03 | |
Now, look at this explosion of colour - four pieces of chunky, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
funky glass that could only be supplied by our glass guru, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
Andy McConnell. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
This is our Rogues' Gallery. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
Three of these are made by Geoffrey Baxter, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
in the 1960s, at the Whitefriars Glassworks. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
They are much sought after, even though they're so recently made. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
So sought after that they are sometimes faked. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
And one of these is a little rogue in our gallery, but which is it? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
Here's Andy McConnell with some clues. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
This ruby piece is the hooped vase | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
and its textures remind me of Soviet brutalist concrete architecture, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
but is it real Whitefriars? | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
The second piece is known to collectors as | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
the "mobile phone vase" - which obviously wasn't its name | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
when it was introduced in 1967 - but does it ring true? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
Next up is the largest production piece that Whitefriars made, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
in their most popular colour, but is it a tangerine dream? | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Finally, this is the pineapple vase, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
and it reminds me of a Second World War hand grenade. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
It was a basic of the Whitefriars textured range, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
but is it the real thing? | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
So, Andy, four pieces of glass and one of them is faked, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
-even though they were only made 50-odd years ago. -Yeah. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
So they must be so desirable, if someone goes to that much trouble. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
Yeah, I mean, you're talking about probably the most collected | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
range of British glassware from the 20th Century. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
And there was an exhibition in '97-'98 | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
where Whitefriars was presented at Manchester and London museums, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
and it was like a lit detonator, Whitefriars just went mental, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
and the greatest collector focus is on this stuff, which is '66-'68. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:04 | |
So Whitefriars Glassworks, then, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
was where it was at in the '60s, was it? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
Whitefriars was Britain's oldest glassworks. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
It was off Fleet Street and it was moved into | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
a former Carmelite monastery, so they were the white friars. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
-Oh, I see. -So that's where they got their name. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
But then they moved to Wealdstone in 1923 and when they closed | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
in 1980, they were Britain's longest established glassworks. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
And these particular designers - Geoffrey Baxter being one of them - | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
were right at the forefront of design at the time, were they? | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Yeah, he went to the Royal College in the early '50s, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
came out as one of these phoenix people, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
that Britain would rise from the ashes through good design. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
And then in 1966, he went psychedelic - he did - | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
and look at this stuff. I mean, it's a beacon, original shapes, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
original colours. And, boy, it was enormously popular. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
This, in particular, was the sort of - I hate to say - iconic vase, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
and the piece is now worth £800. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
And what about the other values, then? I mean... | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
Not much, £100, £100, £180, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
but still, there are some shapes being faked. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
We don't want to blacken the whole group of Whitefriars textured glass | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
by saying they're all fakes, because they are very easy to clock. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
-Let me tell you which one I thought. We all had a little chat about it. -All right, OK. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
-And everyone was going, "Blue, orange, green, red..." -OK. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
So the only thing I thought was, being all the glass is textured... | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
-It's called the textured range... -Obviously, obviously. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
I wondered about this one, it's like a piece of Lego, isn't it? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
And the glass here was just much clearer | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
and I thought, maybe it's this one, I don't know. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-That one. -You've given up? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:37 | |
-Yes, that one. -Wrong! -Oh. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
You see, you were no help at all! | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
You've got to pick them up, you're not... | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
If I do this - look, look, look. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
Now I need you to tell me, based on that... | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
Right. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:51 | |
-..which one's the wrong 'un. -Oh, gosh. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
If I get it wrong again, I'm going to feel like a complete plonker. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
Right, that's a totally smooth disc, that's a totally smooth disc, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
this is obviously not a totally smooth disc. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
Oh, yes, this is smooth and this isn't, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
-right, OK, so that's different. -Got it, you got it! | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
It's really quite easy to suss it. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
No help at all, is all I'm going to say! | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Right, and also, it's got a "V" on here, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
I didn't notice that was going to give it away. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
-It's German for "vake"! -LAUGHTER | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
So that is different, that is a polished pontil, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
that's a polished pontil, polished pontil, and that isn't, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
and really, that's not nearly as good. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
-The top is really rubbish, actually. -Is it? What's rubbish about it? | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
It's kind of wonky and they're not supposed to be that wonky. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
But it's really the... The message lies in the soil, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
or at least, the pontil mark. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
So it's not like everybody's got to stop buying Whitefriars | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
because the whole area's become so dodgy, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
because very, very few of the forms have been faked. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
Right. Now you know what to look for - turn it over | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
and look at the mark on the bottom. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
And there are tips on our website... | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
I hope you do better than I did! | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
Who is this chap sitting in the cockpit of this plane? | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
This is my great-grandfather, Graham Conacher Young. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
-And all this material's to do with him? -Yes. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
How did you find it? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Well, my dad was the one who found it, he just let me look at it, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
and I think it was amazing. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:19 | |
It was amongst your grandfather's effects? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
-Yeah. -You just sort of fell over it? -Mmm. -I mean, how lucky is that? | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
-Definitely. -Do you know what sort of gun that is? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
Would it be an early machine gun of some sort? | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
It's called a Lewis gun, and it was specifically made for aircraft use. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
It has a big drum on the top | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
which held the best part of 100 cartridges. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
The way that he would have used that - it's mounted over the wing. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
It fires over the top of his propeller, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
so it doesn't shoot the tip of his prop off. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
-What was that little packet? -Um, his medals came in here. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
-Right. -He got three medals. -OK, do you want to show us them? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
This one, he got for serving in Mesopotamia. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
That's called the General Service Medal | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
and it was issued for smallish campaigns that people served in. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
And it was from 1918 onwards, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
so he must have been in there very, very late in the First World War. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
-Yeah. -And it says "Iraq", which is quite a current topic almost today, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
-isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
This one, I think he got for serving in the Great War. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
And do you know what that one's called? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
Is it the General Service Medal? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
No, that's the Victory Medal, and we know that it's victory | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
because there's a lady there with big wings, blowing a trumpet, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
saying, "Ha-ha, we've won!" | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
So that's the Victory Medal, and what's the other one? | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
He got it for flying his plane, I think. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
That always comes with the Victory Medal, and that's known as | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
the War Medal, and you always find those two together. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
And we see a lot of those on Antiques Roadshow, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
but yours are really special, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
because those are to a pilot in the Royal Flying Corps, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
which was the sort of beginning of the Air Force. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
-Yeah. -And in the year 2012, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
that was the 100th anniversary that they set up | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
this Royal Flying Corps, because before that, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
aviation had been managed separately | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
by the Army, which had detachments of balloons run by Royal Engineers, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
or the Navy, which had its own planes. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
But somebody thought - air is a really important strategic idea. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
We're going to have one body that covers it | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
-and it's going to be called the Royal Flying Corps. -Yeah. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
And consequently, it wasn't very big, so a medal like those two | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
with Royal Flying Corps on it | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
makes them really very special. And together with that medal, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
it gives that lovely sort of idea of his service. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
-Yeah. -This is an absolutely fantastic collection. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
Have you done any sort of research about him? | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I found the watch that he wore when he was flying, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
and then we've got his log books here as well. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
I think his log books will pay some very, very careful attention, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
-if you go through those. -Mm. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
You've got plenty of school holidays! Go through those. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
Of all this collection, those, I think, are the most important | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
bits about him, because they tell you what he did. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
Have you ever thought about what it might be worth? | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
No, I think it's just a good family piece to have. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
I don't think I'll ever sell it. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
I think that's a very admirable attitude. | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
But I still think that you need to know what the market says | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
that these are worth, because if you had to go and buy this | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
at an auction, with all those fantastic log books, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
the medals, the great pictures, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
you'd be paying probably about £1,000 to £1,500, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
-because it's just a fantastic collection. -Yeah. -I think it's great | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
that you keep this guy's memory alive, by this. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
-Yeah. -Congratulations, and thanks for bringing it. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
Well, as a lover of really ancient books, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
I can't tell you how excited I am | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
to get my hands on a book of such obvious antiquity. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
It's clearly fantastically old, it's very charismatic. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
I'm looking at it here on the table in its leather binding | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
with these tremendous locks on it. What is it? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
It's called a Lockit book, a locked book, and it's a register | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
of all the members of the Guildry Incorporation of Perth. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
Started in 1452. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
The Guildry was an association of merchants and traders who controlled | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
trade in the borough and set trading standards, that kind of thing. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
-So I'm looking at a 15th-Century book. -15th Century, yeah. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
And everything about the binding tells me that, in a way. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
This wonderful dark leather is obviously characteristic, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
but this tooling here is tremendous. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:18 | |
Very simple in its way, simple blind tooling, with these | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
crossed lines here, with some nice floral touches here and there. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
This binding certainly dates from the very, very late | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
15th Century, perhaps into the 16th Century. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
But you're telling me the actual contents of this book | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
-go back at least 14... -1452 is the first entry, yes. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
I don't know about you, but whenever I see a book with clasps | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
or locks on it, they almost ask you just to crack them open. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
Is it OK to open them? I see one's already seen better days. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
-Yes, yes. -Let's have a look. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
So, look at this, the very material from which the book | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
is made inside is also clearly medieval. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
This, I think, is 15th-Century paper, and what paper it is! | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
Look at the thickness of that, it's absolutely tremendous. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
In quality, it's really better than any modern paper I've seen. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
Now, what about the content? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:04 | |
You can glean a lot of the history of the time from the entries. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
The book also contains some very prominent autographs. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
Notably, some Royal ones. Here we are, here. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
That's really very exciting. I mean, for two pages of a book | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
to contain two signatures of such incredible import is amazing. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
I mean, look, here we've got, this is James, 1601, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
-this is James VI of Scotland. -Yes. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
Just a couple of years before he became James I of England. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
Before the Union, yes, yeah. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
And the good people of Perth managed to get a certain Charles - | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
this is 1650, so I'm assuming that's Charles II. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
That's right, yes. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:43 | |
They managed to persuade him | 0:46:43 | 0:46:44 | |
-to sign his name on the opposite page to James VI. -Yeah. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
So this opening - | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
I mean, it's tremendous to see such important autographs in one book. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:53 | |
And I notice here, this brings us right up to date. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
-That's right. -You have Queen Elizabeth | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
and the Duke of Edinburgh, signing on the 6th July 2012. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
-Now, you're from the Guildry Incorporation. -That's right. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
You're obviously in possession of something unique | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
and, of course, such a thing does have a value. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
It's not only very old, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
it's got some very important historical records in it. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
It's got some tremendously important autographs in it. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
And really, above all of that, it's just a very beautiful thing. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
So I'm weighing up all these factors that we've talked about | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
-in my mind, and I'm adding in my head... -Yeah. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
..and I think I'm coming to a value | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
of £100,000. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
HE GASPS | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
OK, right. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
I'll have a word when I get back! | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
So a passion, clearly. Tell us all about it, share it with us. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
Well, I started a passion, and this was the one | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
-that started it all off. -Oh, and tell me why. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
This was my father's, and it was presented to him | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
-on his 21st birthday, being 1923. -And it's a beautiful case, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
because with cigarette cases, it's important that they don't | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
show fingerprints, and this is what we call engine turning. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
Which is actually not only decorative, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
it has a function, in that you don't... | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
If it was polished metal, it would be like | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
touching a mirror all the time. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
So the knack is to make the surface sort of different | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
so that one can't leave fingerprints all over it. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
But equally, it's very decorative. It's wonderful, isn't it? | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
And the others, tell me about the others. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
-Just collected on my travels. -Fantastic, isn't it? | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
I'm going to follow you around, seeing this wonderful collection. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
-Thank you. -Wonderful, but there's one, of course, that my eye darts to | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
immediately, and it's the most beautiful case, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
made of a green stone. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
-And it's Siberian jade, nephrite. -Wow. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
Yeah, and it's an enormously chic object - in gold, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
with a ruby clasp - | 0:48:44 | 0:48:45 | |
and it's a cigarette case. And cigarette smoking was | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
an absolute sort of epidemic in 1900, everybody did it. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
And to elevate this rather terrible habit - now dangerous habit - | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
they would contain the cigarette in | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
the highest picture of luxury, really. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
It's a very luxurious object, isn't it? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
What do you know about it? | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
I just know that it's Russian and we bought it in an antique fair. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
-Yes. -And we thought - this is about three years ago - and we thought | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
that the Russian...all the artefacts were starting to come through. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
-Yes. -And we thought that it might be a bit of an investment. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
Exactly how much did you pay for the case? | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
One and a half. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:25 | |
I think it was a great investment. Investment or not, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
it's always going to be, you know, a most beautiful object. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Curiously enough, when Juliet first set eyes on Romeo, she said... | 0:49:31 | 0:49:36 | |
-Oh! -..and it's a good claim, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
and it's terribly relevant, you'll be surprised to hear - | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
And in a way you have, by default, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
a Faberge cigarette case, but it isn't a Faberge cigarette case. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
It's not one, but it has all the characteristics of it. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:55 | |
The lapidary work, paper-thin jade, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:57 | |
it has to be light for the pocket, it's got to be something useable. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:02 | |
And here, we can see the hallmarks for 56, which is 14-carat gold, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
and the crossed sceptres for St Petersburg, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
and the unidentified maker's mark here. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
-I don't know who the maker is. -Ah. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
And frankly, I don't know that there's much hope of doing it. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
If this were by Faberge, it would be worth £40,000. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
-Sorry? -£40,000. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
Wow! | 0:50:24 | 0:50:25 | |
A paper-thin cigarette case in jade, by Faberge... But, um, sadly not. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:31 | |
No, never mind. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:32 | |
A tenth of the price, so maybe £4,000, but a joy forever. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
Wow, that is wonderful, that is wonderful, thank you so much. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
No, a pleasure, wonderful. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
So it's a beautiful day in Scotland, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
you thought you'd pop along to the Antiques Roadshow | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
-and you grabbed something last-minute? -Yes, exactly. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
And that was chosen at the very last minute to come here, yes. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
So, in a china cabinet, in pride of place in the house, or...? | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
In a cardboard box, in the attic. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
So it's quite old. It's older than you or I, made in the 1750s. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
It's from the Chelsea factory, in London, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
who were one of the first - if not the first - factory to make | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
porcelain in this country, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
and the soft paste of Chelsea takes these flowers so beautifully. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
And if you look at the colour of the flowers, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
the free way that they're painted, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
the way that only a very skilled artist can do, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
and this, of course, this was a real object of desire, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
and you've grabbed it from a cardboard box, last-minute. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
Yes, my wife was going to use it for putting cakes on, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
but thought it wasn't big enough, so it was never actually used. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
Well, I'm glad it wasn't, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
because if you go on a cake-to-plate ratio, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
it would have to be quite a special cake to go on this, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
because this plate's worth £800. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:50 | |
-Is that right? -Yes. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
So, perhaps... Shall I hold on to you while you recover? | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
You'd better, yes! | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
-It's the nicest piece of porcelain I've seen today. -Thank you. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
James McNeill Whistler. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
-Yes. -And there's his lovely little device that he invented, | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
-called the Whistler butterfly. -Yes, that's right. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
-Never see it anywhere else, do you? -No. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:14 | |
-It's an etching. -Yes. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
Was it your family's? | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
No. I was given that as a wedding present. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
Dare I ask how long ago? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:23 | |
Er... Well, yes, quite a long time ago, er... | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
-OK, we'll leave it at that. -Yes. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
OK, all right. But, I mean, you know, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
these things were rare then, weren't they? | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Yes, but I was working at Glasgow University, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
cataloguing the Whistler letters... | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
-How extraordinary. -..and it was fascinating. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
Whistler made this etching, in about 1879-1880 | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
when he went to Venice in order to try and recuperate | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
and do some work after this ghastly experience he'd had with Ruskin, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
the famous critic, who had accused him of flinging a paint pot in | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
the public's face with his painting called "The Falling Rocket". | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
So Whistler sued him for libel, and won, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
-but he only got a farthing's damages. -Yes. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
And it really did sort of dent him | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
and he was really downcast and his pictures weren't selling, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
so the Fine Art Society - his dealers - sent him to Venice | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
to go and do some etchings, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
and he was only supposed to go there for a few weeks, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
but he took a year and a half. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:20 | |
He visited all the cafes, he knew all the boatmen, he would | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
drink with them, eat with them, and got himself thoroughly into | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
the life of Venice. I think that shows in his etchings, because that | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
is not an immediately recognisable Venetian view to most people, is it? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
No, no, it's not. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
Well, Whistler came back with 100 etchings and lots of paintings. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
The Fine Art Society had an exhibition of his work | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
and it went incredibly well. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
Over 40,000 paying visitors came to look at it, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
and he came back triumphant. It was the launch of his career | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
-and, commercially, he never looked back. -Yes. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
Now, who was Whistler, and what makes him so important? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
Well, first of all, he was American. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
Second of all, he brought a breath of fresh air into English art. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
But his famous painting of "The Little White Girl", | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
or even his portrait of his mother, have become icons in our time now. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
You love it. It might be a valuable thing, do you think? | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
-I hope so. -Oh, do you? -Yes. -Is it your retirement? | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
-No, I wouldn't sell it. -No, no. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
How much were they worth when you were given it, do you think? | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
Oh, £30 or £40, or something. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
-That was quite a lot then, wasn't it? -Yes, yes. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
Well, if I said it was worth between £10,000 and £15,000 now... | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
My goodness, gosh! | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
I never thought it was as much as that. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
Well, yes, you see, collectors are mad for them and they do have | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
this peculiar delicacy, and I think you can see it in this one. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
-It's a very nice one. -Thank you. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I'm absolutely speechless. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
Where has this come from? | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
Oh, it's an old family piece | 0:54:47 | 0:54:48 | |
that was commissioned, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
we think, for a wedding in 1838. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
Presumably, it's unique, it has the family crest here. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
So, 1838, that's the date on the... | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
-on the silver caddy here, is it? -Yeah. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
And BS for Benjamin Smith - even I know him, a well-known maker. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
It's a tea caddy, it was clearly an important family piece. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
-What is the family? -We are the Cornwallis family. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
Historically, we go back to | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
Archbishop of Canterbury, in the 1200s. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
Then my ancestor was responsible for surrendering America in 1781, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
which has always made us very popular over there. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
And one of his children had this commissioned. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
That's as much as I know, really. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
So that was a wedding, 1838 is a wedding date, OK. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Well, I'm going to disappoint you - it's not 1838 at all. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
It's George III, the 1780s, well, the outside is. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
This is one of the most wonderful tea caddies | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
I've ever seen in my life. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:49 | |
It's the most extraordinary rectangular Bombay shape - | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
Bombay being this curved ogee shape - on all four sides, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
with the most incredible marquetry. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Just take the front here, these lovely flowers, all hand-cut, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
on what's called a harewood or sycamore ground. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
This sort of fiddle back here, like the back of a violin. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
It's the most expensive wood you could imagine. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
On the sides and top, we've got a little bit of ivory, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
little flowers, just to enliven it a little bit. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
We're seeing it in its old, rather, shall we say, | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
sad, deteriorated condition. It's very faded. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
When it was made originally, it would have been | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
very bright colours, and I think probably, we wouldn't like it. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
I think it would have been far too bright, far too colourful and gaudy. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
There's no doubt that the silver lid has been put in later, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
perhaps to commemorate a marriage, that makes sense. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
-Right. -Let's look at the box itself. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
Well, with time, I could probably find out exactly who made it, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
but my initial reaction would be a firm, a London firm called | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
Mayhew and Ince, very important makers, the same time | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
as Thomas Chippendale, or slightly later than him. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
I think Mayhew and Ince, with this wonderful marquetry. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
When people recognise me on the Antiques Roadshow, they say, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
"What's the best thing you've ever recorded?" | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
I've never really been sure - | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
I've come up with one or two wonderful things, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
I've seen many wonderful things over the years. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
This is, without doubt, the best piece I've ever seen | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
-on The Antiques Roadshow. -Good Lord! | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
It appeals to me academically, aesthetically and historically. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
Well, as an object with a crest, | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
dare I say £20,000 to £30,000? | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
Good Lord! | 0:57:21 | 0:57:23 | |
Hmm! | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
A glance at the time on this handbag tells me | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
it is about time to end the programme. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
Look over my shoulder here - | 0:57:45 | 0:57:46 | |
the experts are just sitting around, exhausted. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
We don't normally show you what it's like once the public | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
have started to leave, but we've had 2,500 visitors | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
to the programme today, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:55 | |
here at the Palace of Scone, in this glorious sunshine, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
and everyone's feeling just a little worn. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
So when I saw this handbag that was brought along by | 0:58:01 | 0:58:04 | |
one of our visitors, I couldn't resist having a little look at it. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
One, it matches my outfit. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
And two, looking at that watch tells me it's about time to go home. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
So, from the Antiques Roadshow | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
and the team - what's left of it - bye-bye. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 |