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Tonight, we're unwrapping our very own Christmas special. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
We've come back to Lyme Park in Cheshire, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
where recently we welcomed over 2,000 visitors | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
who brought along their family treasures. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
And it's the perfect backdrop to our show. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
We've uncovered a magical Christmas story connected to a little girl | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
who lived here many years ago. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Her name was Phyllis and she wrote a book reflecting on her life here | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
when she was 11. And this is it, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Treasure On Earth, A Country House Christmas. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
And it's a perfect snapshot of an Edwardian Christmas in 1906. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
In it she reveals the traditions and characters and fun | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
of the people who lived here in Lyme Park, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
both upstairs and downstairs. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
Phyllis tells us about her parents, Lord and Lady Newton, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
throwing a lavish Christmas party in the Grand Hall for all | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
their staff, capturing the happy scene in her drawings and paintings. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
In strict hierarchy the family would appear from the left | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
and the estate workers from the right. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
Meeting in the middle, they'd take their partners | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
and spend the evening dancing and eating. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Phyllis describes how her mother would hand out | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
gifts of joints of beef to all the staff. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
The butler would call out the names, the shepherd would place each | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
joint of beef in a cloth and then Lady Newton would tie | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
the corners of the cloth, while exchanging Christmas greetings. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
The account reveals other Christmas traditions. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
In Phyllis' words, the Christmas tree was decked with | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
"rainbow-coloured iridescent glass balls hanging singly | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
"and in garlands, shows of sparkling tinsel, bells and stars, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
"trumpets and violins." | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
The greatest moment of excitement for Phyllis was of course, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
as for all children, when the presents were handed | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
out from beneath the tree. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:47 | |
The children from both upstairs and downstairs would process around | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
the tree carrying Chinese lanterns. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
And Phyllis describes how Truelove, the butler, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
would follow behind with a bucket of water, just in case of fire. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Here in the glowing Christmas-bedecked drawing room | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
of Lyme Park, I'll be talking shortly to our specialist Will Farmer | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
about what would have been on Phyllis' Christmas list back then. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
But first, let's see what family heirlooms excited our experts | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
when we visited here back in the summer. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
And first we're off to the races with expert Jon Baddeley, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
who uncovered an intriguing piece of history from the murky | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
world of illegal betting. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
I have to say, this is one of the strangest things | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
I've ever seen on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
You've brought in a rather tatty canvas bag with a top made | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
out of Bakelite, so not precious metals or anything. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
And the only give-away to what it is, it says, "The Tic-Tac." | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
And although I'm not much of a racing person, I'm sure that's | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
to do with a racing term about how they communicated. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
So tell me, what is it? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Well, my mum used to have to run down to the train station with | 0:03:49 | 0:03:56 | |
this bag full of betting slips. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
And when was this? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
This would have been during the war, so about 1942, 1943. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
-At which point betting was illegal, wasn't it? -It was. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
So she is a bit concerned. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
So I won't give her name away. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
-She is worried. -OK. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
So I would have knocked on her door | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
and pretend to have a cup of tea and say, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
"Can I have £5 on the 3.30 at Chester?" | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
And you put it in the bag. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
Well, the odds put on, you'd get your copy of that. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
-And it goes in. -And it goes in. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
-OK. -Right, so that's in the bag and there is the clock | 0:04:31 | 0:04:37 | |
that's in there which currently tells the time. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
So when all bets have been taken, the clock gets put in the top | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
here and then the top is put on, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
pushed up, it's now locked. That's stopped the clock. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
My mum had to run down to the station, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
give it to the station master or porter. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
It went on the train from Altrincham and at the other end, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
someone there took it to the illegal bookie's, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
who would get the bets out with the key and they would know | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
at what time the bets were placed in, that they were placed | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
before the race was won or run. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
So there was no opportunity to any skulduggery, so that | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
actually somebody could put a bet in after the race had happened. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
That's right, they couldn't do it because the watch was stopped. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
-Absolutely ingenious. -Yeah, ingenious. -So... | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
And nobody got caught. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
-Yet. -Not yet. -Oh, don't. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
-Well, bad news, it's... -Worth nothing. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
-The bad news, it's not worth a great deal. -OK. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
The good news is that we've all learned about what this is | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
and I think it's ingenious and I love it, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
so it really should go into | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
I think the Horse Racing Museum at Newmarket | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
would be delighted to have that, as I'm sure they haven't got one. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
So it's a museum piece beyond value. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
Oh, she'll be delighted. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
-Good. Thank you very much. -Thank you very much. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
-We've learned a lot. -Thank you. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
So what's in this bright orange bag? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
So this is a picture that was in my granny's house in Liverpool. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
I've known it all my life. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
It's, as you can see, a little boy. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
So we've got a Christmassy scene with a boy, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
he's obviously gathering holly. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Maybe he's been out borrowing it and he's going to sell it | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
and make a few pennies. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Rattling the change in his pocket here. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
I love the way he's got a little bit of holly in his hat there. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
-Yeah, that's really sweet, yeah. -Yes, very sweet. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I think he's been sent out to collect this | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
and he didn't really want to go. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
That's... Oh, do you think that's what it is? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
And so he's a bit cold and wants to get back in. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
-He's definitely not looking happy about it, is he? -Not at all. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
He's giving you a very beady eye. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
It's sort of a fairly bleak landscape there | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
and rather unidentifiable, which is quite clever | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
cos it could then be sold sort of more or less anywhere. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
Yeah, yeah, and do you put holly in the back of it at Christmas? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
-We do, yes. -You do? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
-Yes, we do and we have it lit so that we can see. -Excellent. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
The number of pictures one finds with holly berries stuck in the | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
stretchers behind, it's, you know with a sort of pimple at the front. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
This one's actually on canvas laid on to board. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
It's signed down here J Aitken, a Scottish artist. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
Oh, right, OK. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
And it's probably sort of 1870s, 1880s. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
And right now, in this bright sunlight, I think it's rather nice. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
Yeah, well, we enjoy it, you know, I've always loved it | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and I hope that I'll always have it. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
So I think if you were to sell it, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
you'd get the best part of £1,000. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
-Really? -Yeah. -OK, that's really nice to know. Thank you. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
So you've come here wearing an absolutely massive necklace. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
You look like Boudicca, Queen of the Iceni. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
-Oh thank you. -Where did you get it from? | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
It came from my late husband's cousin who was a collector | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
of beads and jewellery, and she puts pieces together. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
She used to live in London, she lives in Norfolk now and she's | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
quite elderly, but she just has the most amazing collection. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
I used to do quite a lot to look after her, she used | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
to give me something and I've inherited all this wonderful amber. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
It's stunning, isn't it and of course | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
the east coast of England is a great place to find amber. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
It has a relationship with the Baltic countries. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
And from time to time, if you're really lucky, you can | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
find it on the beaches in Southwold and Sheringham. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
But also your links to Boudicca and the Iceni are not | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
fanciful at all because amber was hugely interesting to mankind since | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
antiquity and people perhaps didn't understand it in the same way but | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
it was hugely decorative and they took it to their graves with them. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
And what do you really like about it? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Um, I love the colours, I love all the different things, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
so the earrings, the flies in them, the fact it's a very natural | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
sort of material and I love the fact this is very light. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
I don't wear it very often, it's not a daily ritual to put this on. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Oh, I think it is. I think it works really well. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
So amber, what is it? It's fossilised resin, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
isn't it, and it's hundreds of thousands of years old. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
This is sap that dripped down the sides of coniferous trees | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
in the main, in an antediluvian forest that was hot and sticky, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
full of massive dragonflies and primeval beasts wandering around. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:14 | |
And it is the purest form of fossil that we know about | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
because when these flies fell into the sap, it overwhelmed them, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
it simply took over them | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
and they're frozen into the substance of the amber perfectly. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
You can see, when one takes the microscope to them, you can see | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
their compound eyes, their antenna, their wings and every aspect. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
They are the most perfect fossil that we can encounter. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
And so they're hugely influential in the world of palaeontology. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
But it's of great antiquity, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
hundreds of thousands of years old. So here are your earrings, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
aren't they, and there are insects imprisoned in there, aren't there? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
-Yes. -Magic. So you've got fossil bugs swinging from your ears. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
But anyway, we're going to talk a bit about value | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
and value's actually rather a strange phenomenon in this regard. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Because the Chinese have taken a huge interest in amber. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
They love the amber that you're wearing round your neck, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
this opaque amber. And in my youth, this was really simply decorative. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
They were worth 80 to £100. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
What was 80 to £100 is now 500 or £600 | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
-and I think your necklace is worth £1,000. -Oh, wow. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
And maybe this lovely selection you've brought here | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
is worth another £1,000. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
So somewhere in the region of 2,000 maybe even £3,000. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
-My goodness, wow. -A fortune. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
Well, thank you. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
I'm a book man myself, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
so it's really odd to find myself at the Antiques Roadshow | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
with a piece of furniture, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
particularly one that looks as bizarre as this. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
But the reason is that he has a Dickens connection | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
and he's in the Pickwick Papers. Now what do you know about him? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
I inherited the book and the figure from my paternal grandmother | 0:10:48 | 0:10:54 | |
-and she was a Johnson. -Mm-hmm. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
And she and her predecessors lived in Ayscoughfee Hall, in Spalding. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:02 | |
-So that's where the book and the figure came from. -Mm-hm. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
Well, let's see where this chap actually | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
features in the Pickwick Papers. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
He's illustrated in part of the story here, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
one of the illustrations, and you can see him here kicking his leg up. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Essentially, in brief, the story is that a traveller goes | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
to a country pub, drinks too much, wakes up in the night | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
and thinks that a chair is talking to him. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
And here's the chair here and it's a very close match. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
Do you know how the figure came to be in Ayscoughfee Hall? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
Yes. The library is panelled out with African mahogany | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
and it was always understood in the family that the cabinet maker | 0:11:40 | 0:11:46 | |
in the Grand House also possibly with having some | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
leftover solid mahogany, made this figure. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
Right. Well it's very interesting. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Obviously being a piece of furniture, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
I've showed it to one of my colleagues who deals with | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
furniture and do you know, funnily enough, it's actually oak. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
-It's actually not mahogany. -Oh, right. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Which partly explains the weight, which you will have found | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
when you were bringing it to the Roadshow and we think, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
you know, as you say, it dates from about 1840, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
which is exactly contemporaneous with the Pickwick Papers. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
And has it played a big part in your life? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Well, he was always much-loved by my brother and I as children. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
He resided in my grandmother's hallway and we always tapped | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
the top of his head every time before we went upstairs to bed. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
Ah, yeah. Well, he definitely appeals to children | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
but I think he would appeal to Dickens collectors as well. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
I think, if he were to come up at auction, he would probably be | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
estimated at something like 3,000 to £5,000. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
And I think he'd attract a huge amount of attention. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
-Thank you for bringing him. -My pleasure. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:52 | |
The most extraordinary thing is about this scrap album, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
is that we see hundreds on the Roadshow | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
and they're never in really good condition. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
But I have seldom seen an album that is so beautiful as this one. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:10 | |
So tell me about it. Where did it come from? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Well, it was given to my Great Aunt Edith on her tenth birthday, so. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:18 | |
So you've got a picture of her. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
Yes, that's her there and she must have compiled this over a few years. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
I don't know how it happened to come into my aunt's possession. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
-Was she a very meticulous person? -Yes. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
Because this album has been maintained meticulously. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
It really is absolutely perfect. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
We've got a picture here to start off with, as you would, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
a Victorian lady, you'd start off with Queen Victoria of course | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
and Balmoral, which looks very much as it does today. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
And you turn over the page and of course you've got | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
the Prince and Princess of Wales. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
Then you go on and these I have rarely seen, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
which is a collection of Shakespeare characters, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
all with the actors of the day mentioned. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Shylock and Portia. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Then over here Beatrice and Benedick, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
which is Henry Irving, Sir Henry Irving | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
and the great Ellen Terry here as well. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
And it goes on for pages like this, all beautifully decorated. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
But the thing I think that sticks out for me are these ones here | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
and it's a panorama of Derby Day. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
And it starts off on the road to the Derby, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
the start and this is literally everybody going along to the Derby. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
The pictures here are absolutely stunning with | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
all their carriages and everybody getting excited. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
These would have been bought from a stationer's. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
They'd have been transferred and cut up by your aunt | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
and gradually laid out here. And it goes on, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
here we are, the road to the Derby and the road to refreshments | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
and the inn here and we go on to the course and there's the race, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
which is absolutely tremendous. Derby Day was a great day. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
Everybody was having the most wonderful time. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
The Epsom Downs were covered with jugglers and conjurers | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
and circus acts and all the rest of it. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
You said Epsom. Now, she lived in Epsom. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
-She lived in Epsom? -Yes. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
-So this would have been absolutely perfect. -Yes. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
And this is the Derby Day, the end of it and it's complete chaos | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
and people are all over the place. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
They're drunk, they're falling off, it's an absolute riot. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
So what do you do with it now? Do you show it to your children? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
Yes, I show it to my grandchildren. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
My aunt, who used to look after this, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
-used to bring it out on special occasions. -Yes. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
We used to sit round, my sister and I, and then my children when | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
we went to visit her, she used to get it out and we had a look at it. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
Well, they're always terribly difficult to value, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
but I think you've got somewhere between | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
-800 and £1,000 worth of scraps. -Goodness me. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
That's wonderful. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
-It is, isn't it? -Yes, yes. -I think so too. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
And we will value it greatly. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
-Well, you do anyway. Thank you for bringing it in. -Thank you. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
What a gorgeous scrapbook | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
and we'll have more from our summer visit to Lyme Park in a moment. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
But first here at a Christmassy Lyme Park, I'm with Will Farmer. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
Now, Will, let's talk about Christmas Day, the high point for any | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
child and grown-up, actually. And we're surrounded by gifts here. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
What kind of presents would a child like Phyllis, say, in 1906, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
have received under the tree? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
Well, of course she would have been in that most fantastically | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
privileged position, you know, the daughter of a great estate owner. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Her gifts would have been, you know, grand. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
They would have matched the environment that she lived in. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
It's not unreasonable that she would have come down on | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
Christmas morning and under the tree, waiting for her, would have | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
been a spectacular dolls' house. Something like this, which has been | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
very kindly loaned to us from the Museum of Childhood at Sudbury Hall | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
in Derbyshire. And a model like this would have quite possibly been built | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
for Phyllis by one of the estate workers, the estate carpenter. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Gosh. I can just imagine how excited a child would be to get that. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
The play that a child would have enjoyed with something like that. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
And what about the bear? Would that have come Phyllis's way? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Oh without a doubt. I mean, just look at this bear. He's fantastic. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
I mean, it's the production of the great Steiff company. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
At the beginning of the 20th century, they were credited with | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
launching the bear, creating the bear. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
And actually, by about 1907, it's down on record | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
that it's believed they manufactured upwards of nearly a million bears. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
The catalogue of Steiff included some 1,300 different toys, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
felt animals, so somebody, maybe below stairs, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
could have quite happily accessed one of the little, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
sweet little bears or one of the sweet little felt toys. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
But a bear of this scale would have come to the | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
daughter of a house like this. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
And what about the books because they're a perennial, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
aren't they, on Christmas Day? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Well, these are actually mine. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
I have a really close affection for these books | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
because these were originally my grandfather's, who was born in 1911. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
He then handed them to my mum and then | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
when it was deemed I was sensible and, you know, careful enough | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
to own them, they came to me when I was about nine, ten years old. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
But this is a series of books, you know, The Wizard Of Oz, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
a story that is so magical that went on to be one of those most | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
famous films in history. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
But what we're looking at here is the original start of that | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
and these are beautifully-produced books. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
You know, Frank Baum first published that original story in 1900, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
but on it went to create a whole series of tales, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
from all those characters that we know. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
By the late 19th, early 20th century, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
when the printing presses were absolutely at full speed, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
it meant that books were accessible to anyone and everyone. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
-And what would these be worth today? -Well it's really interesting | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
because of course this has become a huge, huge area of collecting. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
If you can find a signed first edition with Frank Baum's | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
signature in it, the most recent one sold actually fetched 152,000. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:12 | |
-Wow. -But these are sort of second editions, later editions. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
But even there, these books today are worth between, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
in the condition they're in, between 300, 400, £500 each. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
And what about the bear? | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
That must be a stonking value, I would think. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
He's a good bear. He's a 1909 bear, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
he's got everything you would want from a Steiff bear of that date. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
Great colour, great condition, great expression, lovely hump, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
the boot button eyes. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
You want to own him, you're probably going to have to spend | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
the best part of 4,000, maybe even £5,000. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Wow. Goodness me. Thanks, Will. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
The carpenter we were talking about wouldn't have been | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
making things just for Christmas Day for his children. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
Of course he would have been employed making | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
and repairing things all around the estate, all year round. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
And one such piece came along to the Roadshow here at Lyme Park | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
when we visited in the summer, as Elaine Bingham found out. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
It's fascinating hearing stories of Christmas past here at Lyme. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
And I understand that the original owner of this table | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
-was a relation of yours. -Correct. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
And he's mentioned in this book. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
-He is. -There's an account of a Christmas here at Lyme. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
-There is. -Who was he? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
My great-great grandfather, Samuel Gregory, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
was in service on the Lyme Estate in the late 1800s. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
And you have a photograph of him. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Yes, that's him on the golf course at Lyme. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
And what was his role here? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
He was a plumber, plumber and glazier. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
This is a drop leaf table, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
really copying a mahogany table of the time, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
but made around 1800. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
And I suspect that the carpenter, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
your great-grandfather's friend on the estate, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
probably found this, I don't know, in an old shed or something, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
in slightly bad repair, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
because there are various changes that have been made to it. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
And if I lift this leaf here, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
the leaf has been re-tipped. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
Do you see what fantastic quality timber this is | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
and this is a very even-grained, rather dull bit of oak. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
So it's been re-tipped | 0:21:17 | 0:21:18 | |
and then the whole of this leaf is a later replacement. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
And the other thing is that the legs have been cut down at some point. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
And with a bit of ingenuity and some castors that I suspect were left | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
over from an old sofa, they've been put on to the bottom of the table. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
So could well have been made around 1800 here, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
by the estate carpenter of the time, but then 100 years later, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
has been sort of, had renewed life breathed into it. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
So this is part of Lyme's history | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
-but it's also part of your family history. -Yes, it is. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-And do you remember this table? -Totally. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
I've eaten every meal off it and done all my homework at it. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
You know, this is our living room, everyday table, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
it has a place right at the heart of our family. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
We're downsizing and one thing and another, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
and I just always felt it should come home to Lyme. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
So in 2011 we came to Lyme Park and asked them, you know, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
would they be interested in the table coming home from whence | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
it was made because we believe it is made from Lyme Park oak. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Well, let's look at the oak. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
It is oak and it's a gorgeous cut of oak too. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
Look at these wonderful... | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
Look at the medullary rays here, this iridescent figuring. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
This is a great cut of oak. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
Look at the life and colour to it. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Where is it used now? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
Well, that's the interesting thing. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Because it's lived here ever since 2011, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
the joy for me was when I found out that it is now in use | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
on a daily basis in the administrator's office. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
So the National Trust people actually do their work on it. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
It's a table that's moved with the times. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
After that wonderful story, it's worth less than £100. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
-Yes, absolutely. -But the story for me is everything. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
-I know, yes, thank you. -Thank you so much for telling me all about it. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
You're welcome, thank you. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Well, your cup and saucer begs an awful lot of questions, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
for the simple reason that the handle isn't where | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
it should be, it's actually in there. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Let's put it to one side. OK. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
And let's have a look at the saucer | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
because, you know, it's in something of a state, all right. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
So what I need to know is, does this cup and saucer have a story to tell? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:38 | |
It does indeed, yes. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
This was given to my fourth great-grandmother, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Lady Sarah Lennox, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
who was the daughter of the second Duke of Richmond. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
The Duchess of Brunswick gave it to her daughter, Queen Caroline, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
so George IV's wife, and it was given to her probably around 1820. | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
We've had some name-dropping on this programme | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
but that takes the biscuit, that really does. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
So, I mean, everybody behind you is wondering | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
whether they should have curtsied to you when you appeared on set. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Well, I am actually Princess Diana's sixth cousin. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
-Are you really? -Yes. -Well... | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
And is there anybody else in Bolton that has the same title? | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
-That's what we need to know. -Not that I know of. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
-OK, so what we're looking at here is a bit of a relic, yes? -Yes. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
I love something that's... | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
I mean, especially when you look at the script on that. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
I mean, that looks as though it was written in around about 1830, 1840. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:43 | |
And it all tends to fit because, you know, when you get a story | 0:24:43 | 0:24:50 | |
like that, you look at the piece and before you know the story | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
you know that this probably dates from about 1820 | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
because it's a cabinet cup. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Let's just show it in a better light. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
-If you could afford something like this, you had money, OK. -Right. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
Would it have been part of a set? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Yes, it would have been part of a set and it is for coffee. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
And if we turn it upside down, the story is collaborated | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
by the fact that this has got a mark for the Furstenberg factory. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
-Right. -So we're in Germany, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
but it is a typical cabinet cup of that period. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
And have you been tempted to have it properly restored? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
I have thought about it, yes. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Well, I think you, you know, it is one of those things that | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
would probably benefit from it as long as it's not over-restored. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
So it does, you know, on this programme, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
bring us to the question of, "What's it worth?" | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
And I think really, I think by having it restored, then the chances | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
are that it would be worth about 400 or £500. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
But it's got far more going for it than money. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
Right, yeah, I totally agree. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
So, all I can say is, thank you so much, milady. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you very much. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
350 years ago, when this portrait was painted, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
clearly this was a young man worth knowing. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
He's got a military baton, he's got a breastplate. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
So how did you come about him? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
An antique dealer brought it to me to clean and I did that | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
-and then I bought it from him. -To clean? What are you, a restorer? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
I am, I'm afraid, yes. So I bought it. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Would you like to tell us how much it cost? | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
About 850. That was back in about 1978, perhaps. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
Let's get back to who this man might be, because he's got a baton, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
he's got a breastplate, he looks, I don't know, I'm being a bit | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
sort of subjective here, he looks like a young aristo about town. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
I would say he's what, 15 or 16 years old? | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
Painted in the 1670s, he looks a bit like the illegitimate | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
son of Charles II possibly, the Duke of Monmouth. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
-Hint, hint, yes. -Although I don't think it is him. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
-Oh, right. -But he's got a very distinctive face | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
and what is lovely for 17th century portraiture, which can be | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
a bit hard on the eye, it's a very yielding, attractive face. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
It's very likeable, yeah. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
He's very likeable and then because he's got a baton and because he's | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
got a breastplate, I bet you he's someone of considerable influence, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
probably from one of the great aristocratic families of the period. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
And so, how about the artist as well, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
so what did you think as you began to clean this picture? | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
Well, the easy choice | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
if you don't have access to a lot of information would be Lely. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
Well Sir Peter Lely is the artist who comes to mind. Why? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
Because he's the court painter around Charles II, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
when this picture was painted. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
He carries on, he takes the baton as it | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
were from Van Dyck as the leading court painter. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
But I don't know if it is by Lely | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
because Lely has a slightly more distinctive | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
way of handling his drapery, wouldn't you think, as a restorer? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
Could be that then he maybe just came along | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
and tickled up the end of it or something. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
There were other people working on it. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:09 | |
You're absolutely right. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Lely had people who helped him | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
and we're beginning to map out the different styles. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
There was a woman who worked with him, Mary Beale, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
there was another artist called William Wissing. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
I don't know at this stage | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
but I would suspect it is by one of the assistants in Lely's studio. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
Well, the hands aren't terribly good. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
I think you're so right to pick up on that because I think the | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
face is very beguiling, I think the drapery is quite well done. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
The hand, the right hand looks a bit like the fin of a fish, really. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
-Yes. -But let's not get too hung up on that because I think | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
it's a really lovely baroque image | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
and, you know, life is cruel in the art world. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
If you've got a good-looking sitter, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
they are an awful lot more easy to sell than their plain counterparts | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
-and we've got here a rather radiantly attractive young man. -Yes. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
Well, I was certainly glad to buy it, you know. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Does this have a carved frame? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
It has a carved frame, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:08 | |
the sort of thing that they would have made in the early 18th century. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
So what we're dealing with is an artist we don't know the name of | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
but it's very closely, warmly in the orbit of the great Sir Peter Lely. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
If it has a good early carved frame, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
this is a supremely decorative baroque image, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
and as a result, I think that one can give it a very good valuation. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
-You ended up paying £850. -Yes. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
All those decades later, with a good carved frame, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
I would value it as a Studio Of Lely piece, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
around about actually the age of the sitter, 15 or £16,000. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
Gasp, as they say. Right, good. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
-Thank you for that. -Pleasure. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
I know a Swedish glass designer, Goran Warff, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
who says that glass eats light. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
And I mean this is just sucking the light out of the sun | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
and glowing in a way that is magical, isn't it? | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
It is beautiful, yes, I think it is. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
How long have you known it? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:13 | |
My parents bought it in Malta. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
They went on a holiday about 1970, I think. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
They went on a tour of this factory | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
which was run by an Englishman called Michael Harris. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
They brought that back with them and got him to sign it on the bottom. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
It's a beautiful thing and Michael Harris is an important man | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
in terms of glass-making because he took British glass-making from | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
the traditional cut sherry glass into the studio glass movement. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
He was Britain's first studio glass-maker. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
So every single thing that he made, he regarded as a unique object. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
You didn't buy sets of six of Michael Harris's | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
work at the Mdina glass works that he founded on Malta in 1968. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
But he was very unlucky, Michael, in that Dom Mintoff had just | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
been elected the President of Malta and he had basically told | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
the Brits to leave. And the Harrises left to come back to England. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
They were forced out, so he had this short three year period. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
Michael was very reluctant to sign. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
He didn't like it because he figured what we make is the union of us all. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
We are all behind this, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
so to put my name on it is wrong and presumptuous. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
However the only way Michael would sign stuff is if you were | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
standing in Mdina at the time with money in your hand and you'll | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
say, "I'll buy it if you'll sign it." | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
And so you're absolutely right | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
is that this has the signature, Michael Harris, Mdina Glass, Malta. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:50 | |
-And that's rare. -Is it? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:53 | |
So you've got £150 art object, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
but it's £150 art object with a signature | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
which multiplies that value by a factor of ten, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
making it worth between 1,000 and 1,500 quid. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
Brilliant, it's brilliant, absolutely brilliant. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
Well done, Mother. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
I'll let her go when we get home. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
She's 95 and she's still going strong, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
so she'll be pleased to hear it. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
It's a lovely early pram. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
I mean, look at the style of that. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
I mean, it's almost like a real, proper baby carriage. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
You know, we can see where we get the name from now. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
What's your link to it? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
My mum bought this in 2004. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
She bought it from an antique shop and the story was that it was | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
used in Buckingham Palace and it came from Queen Victoria's reign. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
We were just interested to know if there was any truth in that, really. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:59 | |
Well, there is this lovely document here attached to the handle. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
Yes, one of 22 apparently, ordered by Queen Victoria | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
for use by visiting dignitaries with their children. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
And it was only really in the 19th century that | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
the idea of a mode of transport for your children | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
began to be widely used | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
and it was in fact Queen Victoria that made the whole baby carriage, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
or perambulator, really fashionable and it became the thing to do. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
But this little piece of paper goes on to say that it was used | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
only for use indoors, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
not for outside use. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
And so that you could wheel it up a corridor and then you could | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
push it from the other end without having to turn it round. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
So what makes me think that that could be true? | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
Well, there are two things to say. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
First of all, is the wheels. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
I can see that that would work. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
They're roughly the same size, whereas on an outdoor carriage, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
you tended to have them one big one and one small one. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
So the other thing I would say about it being used for indoors, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
is that these handles are actually very close | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
-to the body of the carriage, aren't they? -Mm-hm. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
You know, you wouldn't need a high, extended handle | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
if you were just wheeling them up and down the corridors. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
You know, the clues are stacking up in favour of the internal use. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
What I'd love to see is a really great coat of arms on the side | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
and the document says that there was one but it was taken off. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Well, that's handy, isn't it? | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
The perambulator itself is certainly of quality. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
You've only got to look at the way that it's constructed. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
The bad news is that I cannot confirm that story. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
-Now, when it comes to value, it's a 300 to £500 object. -Yes. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
If the story can be substantiated, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
I reckon it could get into four figures. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
Wow, wow. That's amazing. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
-Are these members of the family? -Yes. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Equally pleased. Good. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:35:11 | 0:35:12 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:13 | |
How wonderful if that pram really was used in Buckingham Palace. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
Let's hope the owner can find some clues as to its regal past. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Will Farmer is back with me. And, Will, we've been talking | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
about Christmas presents in these glorious Christmassy surroundings. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
We were talking about the Edwardian era, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
but let's bring it a bit more up-to-date. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
Now, this I remember from my childhood. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
Oh, so do I. Good Lord. And I think what we are surrounded by | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
are things that I sort of call the dawn of merchandising. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
This is where it all starts to change for the manufacturers, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
the promoters and we've got things here linked to television. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
You pointed straight in at the Magic Roundabout. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
Well, those of us watching and those of us here of a certain age, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
we'll remember this with great affection. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
Oh, I do, I could sing the theme tune, but I'll spare you that, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
but, yes, absolutely. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:09 | |
And what you've got there really is the absolute | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
Rolls-Royce of their toys and their production. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
I mean, this was called the Playground Set and do you know, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
this was launched in 1969, it was £13 in 1969. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
To put that into context, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:23 | |
-that's equivalent to about £200 in today's money. -Wow. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
You could actually buy everything on there as an individual, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
you know, and that's the idea. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Get the children hooked in, start to spread the thought, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
get the parents spending more money. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Yeah, been there, done that with my own children. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
What would this be worth now? | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
-It was obviously so expensive at the time. -Well, absolutely. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
I mean, if you look at this as a complete full set, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
today one of those in unplayed, sort of mint, near mint | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
and boxed condition, is going to be upwards of £500. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
And what about the rest of what we've got here? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
Well, we've got some great stuff. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
Here, of course, you know, the die-cast toys, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
coming on the back of those really great programmes, your Thunderbirds, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
your Captain Scarlets, and these just hooked into kids' imaginations | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
like you would never believe, because these were accessible. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
I mean, if you look at FAB1 there, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
it's one of those toys everyone remembers, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
Lady Penelope's limousine with Parker up front. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
And as a child in 1967, if you went out with 15 shillings and 11 pence, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
so about 80p, there or thereabouts, you could take that home. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
And the interesting thing is today, you've got to think again, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
it's all about condition. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
An FAB1 is worth, in really good mint condition, 400 or £500 now. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
Play-worn, maybe £100. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
But it was the die-cast market that rocketed, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
but these are the toys that kids hook on to. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
They took them out into the garden, played with them, went | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
on adventures with their brothers, their sisters, their friends. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
But it's about that idea of dragging it all out | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
to make sure your parents stick with that programme, stick | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
with that television series and make sure that you just keep spending. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
Doctor Who, I spot back here. As popular now as it was then. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Well, indeed. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
It is an absolute jewel in the crown of the BBC, isn't it? | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
It's one of these programmes, it's the longest running sci-fi programme | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
and it's something again that just captures everybody's imagination. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
The Daleks were first introduced in episode two, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
in a programme called Dead Planet | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
and from that it just went crazy. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Now you've got to bear in mind that there's no one company that | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
actually manufactured anything to do with Doctor Who. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
There were hundreds of companies, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
everyone all over was producing their own interpretations. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Probably the rarest thing we've got there on show is that | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Dodge The Daleks game, which was actually launched 1963, 1964. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
If anyone out there's got one of those, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
today you're looking at a board game worth 200 to £300. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Amazing, Thanks, Will. Brings back a few memories. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
Oh, totally. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:45 | |
And shortly on the programme we'll reveal which object fetched | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
the highest price when it was sold after appearing on the Roadshow. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
But first, back to our visit here this summer, when Marc Allum was | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
shown a kitchen set which was given as a magical Christmas present. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
A while ago I filmed a full-size kitchen on the Antiques Roadshow and | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
it was an English Rose kitchen from the 1950s, but what do we have here? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
We have what really is kind of the equivalent of it | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
really in miniature, isn't it? So what's the story behind it? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
It was Christmas time... It was best Christmas box. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
We used to have something, you know, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
a pillow case filled up with small things, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
books and things like that | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
and then we had the grand tie and that was it. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
-This was your big Christmas present, was it? -Yeah, yeah. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
And what sort of age would you have been, can you remember? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
-I'd say about five, five or six. -About five. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Now this would have been quite expensive, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
this collection in the 1950s. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
-You got this all at the same time, did you? -Yeah. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
Well, there is a lot of play value in it and I particularly love | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
the Amersham toys range here, really lovely, very much of its time. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
And do you know, what were your other over-riding | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
feelings about Christmas? | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
Were there any real stories that you remember that really | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
encapsulate Christmas for you? | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
Yes, what used to happen is the day before Christmas, my mum used | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
to ask us what did we want for Christmas and she would say, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
"But before you go any further," she said, she'd take us to the fireplace | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
and we had an open coal fire, but we didn't know there was a pipe | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
that let the air through for the coals to light outside. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
And my dad had gone outside without us knowing and we'd be shouting up | 0:40:15 | 0:40:20 | |
the chimney saying, "Father Christmas, are you there?" | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
-And we'd hear this, "Ho-ho-ho." -Really? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Yeah, yeah, just wondered. Thought, "Gosh, this is magic." | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
And I used to sort of look at my sisters and think, | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
"Wow, you know, he really is there." | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
And we'd try and look up and try and see him. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
Then we'd shout up then. We had one toy that we were supposed to say | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
and, you know, it could have been a teddy bear or it could have been | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
a doll, but that one thing. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
Then Father Christmas would shout back and say, | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
"Right, you've got to be very good then and go to bed tonight | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
"and sleep, otherwise I won't come." | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
So then that night we'd run upstairs, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
-cover up and wait till he comes. It was exciting. -That's brilliant. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
That's a lovely, lovely story. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
Well, this was obviously magic to you too. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
To be honest with you, in terms of putting a value on it, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
the Amersham toy range is a lovely thing. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
To a good retro collector, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:09 | |
someone who's really interested in things of this style, it's a | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
real gem and I think, you know, that's probably worth around | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
about 150, £200 to a collector. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
And I think probably collectively there's about 300 or £400 | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
on the table here. I can see the fact that you still have it all | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
and you've still kept it, it means a great deal to you, doesn't it? | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
-Yeah, never part with it, yeah. -Lovely. Thank you ever so much. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
-OK, thank you. -And Merry Christmas. -Right. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
Wow, how wacky is this? | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
I mean, it's extraordinary, it looks like a snake, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
I mean, you'd smoke yourself dizzy with that. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Is it something that you smoke after dinner of an evening? | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
Not recently, no. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:49 | |
So is it something you inherited or something you bought? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
It belongs to my mum and she inherited it from my father's | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
great aunt who was a governess. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
She travelled, in particular, across to America and also | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
round this country, looking after the children of different families. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
That's all I know. It belonged to her and she left it to my dad. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
So you don't know where she picked it up, really? | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
I know for a time that she lived in Staffordshire, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
but I don't really know very much else about that. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
She was quite a formidable woman, that's all I know. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
Well, this style of thing hails from Staffordshire. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
I mean, it's Prattware | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
and that was established in Staffordshire in the 1770s. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
But it was also a style that was adopted by other factories. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
-And I actually think this one's from Yorkshire. -Right. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
It's a fantastic thing. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Some people might call it a puzzle pipe, but it's just | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
a novelty pipe because a puzzle pipe would have other holes, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
so it was funny, the smoke would come out of a hole somewhere else. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
I have tried to blow it actually | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
and I think something's crawled in there and died. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Quite possibly, yes. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
I can see some ageing there and I think that's heat. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
This style of thing is from about 1800. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
And a thing of this complexity remaining intact, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:08 | |
I find extraordinary. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
I love these ochres and blue, typical. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
Do you want to know how much it's worth? | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
I'm sure my mum would. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:16 | |
Well, normal pipes of this type, straight ones are about | 0:43:16 | 0:43:21 | |
20, 30, £40, sometimes they're signed. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
This novelty pipe, these proportions, this condition, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
those lovely colours, the ochre and blue, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I'd say 300 to £500. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
Fantastic. Thank you very much. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
This Santa comes from Hong Kong in 1961. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
My husband and I were touring the Far East and working | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
in Hong Kong at Christmas time, so this was a Christmas gift. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:56 | |
It's good old Father Christmas. Where does he come from? | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
It's my mum's. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:00 | |
She bought him back in the early 1950s, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:05 | |
-off Bird's Custards for, she thinks, two and six. -Right. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
And then he's travelled around the world with us | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
cos we lived in the States for a while. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
So he's been out to California, then New York and then back to England. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
He's quite something, isn't he? | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
Yes, he's lovely, he's lovely. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
TOY PLAYS JINGLE BELLS | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
And as you travelled round the world in these hot | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
places at Christmas time, did you have custard | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
with your Christmas pudding on Christmas Day in this jug? | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
Yes, well, white sauce. White sauce with brandy. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:42 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:44:42 | 0:44:43 | |
Yes, he's been used every Christmas. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
So it's a pottery jug, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
made in a factory in Staffordshire. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
Have you heard of the St Claus factory? | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
-No, there isn't one surely. -No, I'm only joking. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
So what's the tune? | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
# Jingle bells, jingle bells... # | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
-And then all over again. -I recognise it. -Jingle Bells. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
-Do you love it? -Yes. Oh, yes. We use him every Christmas now. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
Well, worth, I don't know, 20 or £30, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
-but to your family history, priceless. -Exactly, yes. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
Very true. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
-And so he's kept in the attic now? -Yes, I'm afraid so. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
Ah, but you're mother and daughter here, you could have him out. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
But never forgotten him, never forgotten him, though, have we? | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
And do you think you might be tempted to get him out | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
if you knew he was worth 200 to £300? | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
Well, maybe. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
Maybe not. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:42 | |
Santa, I'm putting you back in the box. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
These people don't love you very much at all. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Santa, you deserve better. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:49 | |
This brooch should come with a sign saying, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
"If you wear me, I'll make you chuckle," | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
because when I opened this brooch, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
it was the first thing I did, was chuckle. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
I think it's delightful. Tell me its journey. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
I believe it was bought in the Bahamas for my mother | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
by my father and probably about the 1970s. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
So, I mean, this is quite a brave brooch to buy your wife, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
-do you think? -Perhaps, yes. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
-And it's very unusual. -Yes. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
And in fact, these are called novelty brooches, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
for that very fact. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
And you say it was bought in the '70s. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
Well, in the '60s, very much the period of the novelty brooch. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
I mean, you had all the big jewellery houses, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
you had Van Cleef, Kaczynski, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
Cartier, David Webb, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
all these different houses were all making novelty brooches. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
I think because it was a fun period, you know, the '60s, people | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
were having fun, and this to me is a beautiful example of that period. | 0:46:53 | 0:47:00 | |
It's more sort of '60s, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:01 | |
so it probably was just a little bit older than when he first bought it. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
I think it looks a European manufacture. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
I love the head, with the way that you've got all the feathers. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
Yeah, I know, they're beautiful, aren't they? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
It is beautifully made, isn't it? And it is all real. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
You know, you've got this wonderful collar here with the little | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
diamonds, you've got rubies and sapphires | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
and you've got this lovely pearl. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
It does amuse me that it's only got one eye. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
I know. I noticed that as well. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
I think that's, I think | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
the goldsmith's having a bit of a laugh here, isn't he? | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
And, you know, I think it deserves being called, having a name. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
What shall we call him? You name him. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
He looks like Tweetie Pie. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:51 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
That's a good name. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:55 | |
That's a good name. Do you wear it? | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
No. I don't at all. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
But I think you should | 0:47:59 | 0:48:00 | |
because it's going to make you chuckle, I think, when you wear it. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
-Yes, yes. -You know, at auction, I would say it's in the region | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
of about £1,500 to £2,000. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
Is it? Excellent. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
Well, thank you for bringing Tweetie Pie in. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
Yes, thank you very much for seeing it, that's lovely. Thank you. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:20 | |
Well, we've had a lot of people in from the locality | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
with their treasures for valuation, but this piece has | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
come from much further away. And in a sense, it's coming | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
home for the day because, Lord Newton, | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
this is your ancestral home. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
That's right, yes. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:39 | |
My family lived here for 550 years, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
till 1946, when my grandfather gave Lyme to the National Trust. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
So what are your personal memories of this piece? | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
How has it survived in the family? | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
Well, some of the contents were removed by my grandfather | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
when he gave Lyme away and it passed to my father | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
-and then has come down to me now. -OK. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
Well, when I saw it, obviously the first thing that attracted me | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
was the use of minerals, hard-stones, in conjunction | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
with silver, to form this delicious handle, because we've two minerals. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:19 | |
We've banded agate and then we've got the use of carnelian, these | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
two inverted balusters conjoined by a fluted knop, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:29 | |
mounted with silver. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
But you know, this is a dagger. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
But it's terribly elegant, it's actually | 0:49:34 | 0:49:37 | |
-so finely made that it couldn't really be used in anger. -Right. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:42 | |
This very much a sort of a dress dagger. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
How old do you think it is? | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
I mean, is there any family tradition? | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
The family tradition is that it belonged to King Charles I, although | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
we believe that it was about a century earlier that it was created. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:04 | |
-OK. -But maybe that's wrong. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
Yeah, well, there's elements of truth. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
If I actually slide the sheath back, indeed there is the name, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:15 | |
in Latin, Carolus, which is Charles, on the blade. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
But I have to ask myself, is it Charles I, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
because Charles was a very common name in the 16th century. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
Of course, yes. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
It was indeed. I've conferred with colleagues as well. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
We think this is a 16th-century piece | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
that would have been used by a noble. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
Quite where, specifically, I'm not sure | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
because its manufacture is almost certainly Italy, so it could | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
have been made in Italy, found its way here and was something of a sort | 0:50:46 | 0:50:53 | |
of presentation piece, something that would become a family treasure. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
But of course, we don't really know, do we? | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
The true history's lost in the mists of time. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
-Indeed, absolutely. -Yeah. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
So we're looking at a piece that's a symbol really of a man's wealth, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
his elegance and his refinement. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
You think of the clothes they wore at court in the 16th century, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
-well, this would just go a bomb with that. -Yes. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
Let's have a look at the whole thing. There we go. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
The blade's just had its tip knocked off but shows lovely wear | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
and tear, commensurate with its age. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
But it holds a little secret, doesn't it, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
the little bi-knife, just pull that out. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
And before the regular use of cutlery provided for you, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
you would carry your own little bi-knife. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
What a great thing to own, yeah. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
Yeah, I'm very fortunate, yes. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
Yeah, so the link to Charles I we're going to have to accept, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
a little bit tenuous, but, you know, look at it. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
It's a serious European work of art. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
The lapidary work is absolutely fabulous and in the sunshine, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:04 | |
the colours of the natural mineral and the banding, is just gorgeous. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
So what about value? Have you got it well-insured? | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
-Sounds a bit of a cliche question, but... -It is insured, yes. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
It is insured, right. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
Well, I think an auction estimate would have to be, considering | 0:52:18 | 0:52:23 | |
its provenance, between £15,000 and £25,000. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
Really? Yes. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
It's very, very rare. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
Perhaps I need to insure it more. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:32 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:38 | |
It's a very interesting account. Thank you. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
How wonderful that dagger came back to Lyme Park for our Roadshow. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:46 | |
Now shortly we'll be unveiling our dates for a chance for you to | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
meet our Roadshow experts next year. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
And be warned, coming to a roadshow may seriously affect your wealth. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
It certainly did for these owners who, after their moment in the | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Roadshow spotlight this year, went on to sell their treasured items. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:03 | |
Take for example a visitor to our Bristol show at Ashton Court, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
who brought along a lovely Delftware posset pot which our specialist | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
John Sandon valued at £4,500 in June this year. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
There's a funny story with this pot as well. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
In my family, I joke with them that when I die, | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
I'd like to be cremated and my ashes put in this. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
But now, if this goes out and they hear the valuation, I'll | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
probably get chucked in the garden and they'll probably cash it in. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
Instead, the owner had a more practical use for his pot | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
and sold it for exactly John's valuation, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
investing the money in setting up his own business. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
Good luck to him. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:38 | |
Bought on holiday in Cornwall for £1,000, 25 years ago, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
this Paul Feiler painting proved to be quite a souvenir. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
So that was a big purchase for a holiday purchase. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
Yeah, but we like paintings. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:52 | |
There's a story behind it, in that my husband had to | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
phone his office and find out if they'd had a good month or not. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
So they'd had a good month and we decided to buy it. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
We were told by the owner she needed a new central heating system | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
and it wasn't a pipe dream. She sold her picture | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
and after the hammer fell at a whopping £25,000, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
she found she could afford a luxurious re-fit. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
This solid gold Martinique medal was | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
awarded in 1809 during the Napoleonic Wars. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
It made a return to the Roadshow 20 years after it was first seen | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
and valued, for £8,000. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
The medal itself has increased in value quite dramatically | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
and today, if this medal came up on its own, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
it would probably sell for £35,000. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
On hearing the new valuation, the owner decided to sell at auction. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
It reached an amazing £38,000. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
English Heritage were so taken with this old railway signage, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
which once adorned the now defunct local railway station, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
they agreed to pay Paul's valuation, £300, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
and it's returned home to Bolsover Castle. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
And finally, remember this novelty 19th century money-collecting gadget, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
which had spent years in a box at the owner's home in Edinburgh? | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
It's called the coasting bank and obviously that's what it is. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
Now, see if we can demonstrate it. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
It would have had a piece of string in the back, which you've got. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
-Oh, you did it. -And there it went. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:20 | |
Well, it went back to its roots in America | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
and sold for a staggering quarter of a million dollars | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
or around £170,000. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
Now, that's what I call a good investment. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
Whoa. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
So the Roadshow could be your road to riches, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
so make sure you come and see us in 2016. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Getting us under way is a visit to the impressive Tewkesbury Abbey, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
truly a jewel of Gloucestershire. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Audley End in Essex will make a fantastic | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
backdrop for our Roadshow team. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
It's among the finest gardens in Europe, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
join us amidst the blooms at Arley Hall and Gardens in Cheshire. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
Two moated manors welcome us next year. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
The exquisite Baddesley Clinton in Warwickshire. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
And the lavishly restored Ightham Mote in Kent | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
will take centre stage for our June visit. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
This property at Caversham in Reading is home to | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
BBC Monitoring and its written archives. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
We'll hope to see you there in June. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
Up to the Lake District next | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
for a visit to Holker Hall and Gardens in Cumbria. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
To East Yorkshire, where Burton Constable near Hull | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
will welcome experts and visitors alike. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
For fans of industrial buildings, | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
join us at the New Lanark World Heritage Site, | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
magnificently set on the banks of the Clyde in Scotland. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
A Welsh wonder, Pembroke Castle is an exciting | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
and dramatic setting for our visit in September. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
One of our most idyllic locations next year, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
with its views over the River Fall is Trelissick, near Truro, in Cornwall. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
And finally, to the University of London | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
and the Art Deco splendour of Senate House. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
It promises to be a special show. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
If you'd like to send us advance information about your treasure, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
ahead of your visit, drop us a note, with photographs, to our website. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
So hopefully we'll see you next year. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
Who knows, perhaps in our tea tent, as we roll | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
out our roadshows for 2016 and all the details are on the website. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
I hope you've enjoyed our special Christmas celebration. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
I'd like to thank the team here at Lyme Park for welcoming us back. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
And as for you, enjoy the rest of your Christmas, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
have a happy New Year and hopefully see you in 2016. Bye-bye. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 |