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Bowood House, near Chippenham in Wiltshire, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
is just bursting with treasures. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Enough to thrill every single one of our Antiques Roadshow experts. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
This pretty Robert Adam building has been home | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
to the Marquises of Lansdowne for almost 300 years. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
In the 18th century, the first Marquis set up a laboratory here | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
and supported two of the most groundbreaking scientists of the age. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
One went on to discover oxygen gas here in 1774. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
While the first Marquis was keen to encourage the sciences, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
the second Marquis was rather more adventurous. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
In a scene that could have come | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
straight out of The Scarlet Pimpernel, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
he rescued a young boy and his mother | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
from the clutches of the French Revolution. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
They were aristocrats and in real danger of being executed. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
And he secretly whisked them off to England. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
The boy's stepfather wasn't so lucky. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
He lost his head to Madame la Guillotine. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
The boy was Charles, the Comte de Flahaut. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
In a romantic turn of events, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
his daughter went on to marry the fourth Marquis of Lansdowne. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Quite a surprise, considering Charles fought on the wrong side | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
in the Napoleonic wars. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
He was Napoleon's aide-de-camp and served alongside him | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
until the defeat at Waterloo. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
Years later, the Comte left the family some remarkable heirlooms. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Rare Sevres porcelain | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
and a portrait of Napoleon, given to the Comte by the man himself. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
One of the most unusual items surely has to be this - | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
the bronze death mask of Napoleon. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
And it was taken from the original plaster of Paris cast | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
made by Napoleon's doctor in 1821, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
just after his death on St Helena. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
They're very rare, these, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
and very valuable. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
I have to say, it's a very strange thing to be holding in one's hands. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
So, before our experts invade the house to look at all these treasures, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
let's catch up with them outside, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
as they meet our visitors at today's Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
Well, there's a certain theme around here, which is car mascots. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
And somehow, you don't really look much like a car mascot yourself. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Although, you'd obviously look gorgeous on the front of my car. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
So what's the connection to you with these? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
Well, what it was, bit of a funny story. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
I was northbound on the A1, going up to Alnwick, Northumberland, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
queueing to pay for a pasty, got talking to a fellow traveller | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
and he started mentioning that he had a small shop | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
fairly local to here, where he was dealing with Lalique. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
We went along, had a look and the rest is history, really. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Started buying one or two pieces and, like everything else, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
you think, "Well, we'll just have the one." | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
And that becomes two and that becomes three... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
-What's it become now? -I have eight pieces now altogether. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
-Eight pieces? -Yeah. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
And what is it that you find compelling about them | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
that's leading you to splash some serious cash here, I presume? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
I just liked the way they look. It's the car mascot, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
being a bit of a car buff myself in the past, as well. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
And it's just the way they're constructed. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
They're just amazing. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
I mean, what it would take to make something like that, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
I can only begin to imagine. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
Well, that is what you're talking about. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
And I think it's pretty clear to see, from everybody's viewpoint, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
that's a pretty stunning piece of glass. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
And the idea that this is a car mascot, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
you say, "Well, what the hell are you on about?" | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Well, what you did is that these were let | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
into the brass radiator cap of your car. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
So, instead of the Spirit of Ecstasy on a Rolls-Royce, for instance, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
then you have that. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
And some of these had lights underneath them. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
-So if we look at yours, one of these is not a car mascot. -No. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
This one here, with the square base, that's a figurine. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
But the others here are all car mascots. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
This is Le Coq Nain. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
This is the Perche. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
And that, believe it or not, is called "un elephant". | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
Incredible. I'll translate that, because you're obviously struggling. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
We call it an elephant. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
So, look, you know, these are, what, late '20s, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
-I suppose is their approximate date. -Yes, I think so. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
-Late '20s, early '30s. -And they're kind of sought after. They are. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
But the value depends on a letter. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
And the letter we're talking about is the letter "R". | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
And what's in a letter? Well, an awful lot. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Because the "R" means they were made during Lalique's lifetime. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
And if the "R" is absent, they were made posthumously. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
And that's a huge impact on value. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Like...ten times. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
So what have you got here? Let's have a look. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
They're all "R". | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
They're all made during Rene's lifetime. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
So we can go on your purchases... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
-Well, you'd better tell us how much you paid for them, actually. -I... | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
-HE CLEARS HIS THROAT -Throat's gone really dry now. Sorry about that! | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
I think, in total, I suppose that would be 2,800-ish, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:49 | |
-give or take, um... -OK, well, we'll just do a gallop, won't we? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
We'll just go...800, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
1,000... | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
..1,600 to 2,000. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
That's rare. Elephant's rare. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
That's 1,500. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
-Really? -1,500. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:06 | |
Basically, your 1,800 quid... | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
..is magic, magic, magic... | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
..4,000 to 6,000 quid. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
That'll do for me, sir. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Start the car! | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
-It's a silver honeypot. -Yes. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
-We think it's by Philip Storr. -Right. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
And we think it's about 1800. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
-Or something like that. -Very good. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
And how did it come into your possession? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
It came to me about 30 years ago | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
-from an aunt. -Uh-huh. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
But it had been in the family for a long time. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
In fact, I think all its life. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
Well, I think the aunt must've liked you rather a lot. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Because this is a pretty good thing. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Well, I was quite polite to her. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Well, let's have a look at the marks. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
What you say is pretty close. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
It's got a nice set of marks on the bottom. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
It's got the maker's mark "PS" for Paul Storr. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
And a date letter "D" for 1799. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
And it's what they call a honey skep or a honeypot. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Paul Storr not only was the greatest maker of the 19th century, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
he ran the workshops for the greatest firm of retailers | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
called Rundell, Bridge & Rundell before going off on his own. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
And they were the biggest firm at their time in the whole country | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
-for retailing fabulous silver. -Oh, really? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
So he's a top man. He's hugely collected, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
especially in America. They love Paul Storr. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
It's got a crest at the top. Is that a family crest? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Yes. It is. It's on my mother's side of the family. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Fantastic. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Well, by an extraordinary stroke of luck, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
I bought the almost identical piece at an auction very recently. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
-Oh? -I bought it for a client. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Do you know what I paid for it? | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
I'm hoping you're going to tell me. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
A little over £20,000. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Wow. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
-I had no idea. -So your insurance figure... -I had no idea. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
..should be quite a lot more than that. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Well, that's very, very interesting. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
Thank you very much indeed. I'm quite chuffed by that. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
This is a very grand portrait. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
I'm guessing it comes from a very large house | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
and looking at the boys here, with Devizes School on, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-I presume it's a school. -It is a school. Yes. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-What do you do at the school? -I'm headteacher at the school. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Now, I notice on this picture, first of all, it's in very good | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
original condition. Because it's never been cleaned. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
But being in original condition, I see there's some marks here. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
And there's a mark here. Do you know what this is? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Oh, well, a student, he put a bit of wet paper on the painting. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
-And how did he put it on? -Um, I think he must have shot it... | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
Shot it? How did he shoot it? | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Er, through a pipe thing. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
Well, it's a pretty good shot, actually. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
He's got her right here. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Now, what do you boys think of the picture? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Well, she represents the Grey Lady | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
and she haunts the school. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Can I stop you there? Who's the Grey Lady? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Her. She's the person in the painting. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
-And have you ever seen her? -No. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Not me. But loads of people have. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
-So it's a bit of a rumour that she comes around occasionally? -Yeah. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:30 | |
And do you know who this person is? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Yeah, this is Maria Heathcote, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
who used to be the owner of the house that is now the school. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
And do you know who it's by? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Vanderback? | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
It's by John Vanderbank. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
And it is signed J Vanderbank, fecit 1725. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
Right. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
Now, John Vanderbank was a pupil of Sir Godfrey Kneller. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
Kneller was a very famous artist in the late 1600s, early 1700s. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
And he had a lot of pupil students working under him, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
so that's how he would have learnt his ability to paint. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Also, with a name like Vanderbank, it's not English. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
And it would've come from Dutch descent over here. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
But he was recorded as working in London. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
When we look at this, we see that she's holding here a shell. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Almost like an oyster shell. And do you know what that represents? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
No. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Fertility. That's what it is. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
But it's very typical of the period, the early 1700s. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
It's classical, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
you've got the wonderful cherub here with the fountain. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
It's a very, very smart picture. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
When you're at school, do you see it as well as this | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
or is it in a dark corner? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
-No, it's in reception. -It is? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
-Yeah, and everyone can see it. -And do you all respect her? | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
Er, yeah. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
-Apart from this one! -I want to know his name. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
But now, we have to put a value on this. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I think it's fantastic. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
And I've seen quite a lot of John Vanderbank's work. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
And this is amongst the best I've seen. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
And I think that, if this came up at auction, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
it would make the minimum of £8,000-£12,000. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
Wow. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
Gosh. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
So I hope you will show it more respect as you walk past. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
We probably will! | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
I'm looking at a rather interesting archive. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
It seems to relate to the Beatles in Melbourne in 1964. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
Now, what's your involvement with this collection? | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Well, I am Australian | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and my father was Lord Mayor of Melbourne in 1964, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
at a time when the town hall was a very sober place, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
normally for dignitaries from overseas. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
But my father was very taken with this young group of musicians, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
the Beatles, and decided he'd give them a reception. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
And as you can see from this invitation that he issued, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
it was to meet Mr John Lennon, Mr Paul McCartney, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
Mr George Harrison and Mr Ringo Starr. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Well, everybody was full of enthusiasm. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
For the morning, I was given John Lennon to look after. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
And he was wearing a leather jacket. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
And I had never touched a man in a leather jacket before. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
So I had my arm through his for the morning, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
walking around, introducing him to everybody. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
My sister had Paul McCartney, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
because she'd been out with him the night before for a cup of coffee | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
and he'd held her hand. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
And Paul said to her, "Tomorrow morning, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
"we've got to go and meet some old codger at the town hall." | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
And my sister said, "Well, I'd like you to know that's my father." | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
So it was a really extraordinary experience. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
And after it was over, we walked outside and saw the crowds. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
We were on the balcony - like the Queen is! | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
And we saw hundreds of thousands of people lined up outside. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
So that's how it came about. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
That is the most remarkable story. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
Well, look, the first thing I have to say is, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
look, we've got all these photographs here. Which one is you? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Oh... | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
I have to say, there were hairpieces around in those days | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
-and that's what that is. -That is such a smart up-put, isn't it? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
So how old were you then? May I ask? | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
I was 23 and I was given John | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
because he was married and I was married. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
And the rest of my family weren't | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
and neither were the rest of the Beatles. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
OK, so it was felt that the two marrieds could look after each other | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
-and Paul was fair game for all the other sisters. -Exactly! | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
So this is what you said. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
-You all went out onto the town hall balcony. Oh, is that you there? -Yes. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
That looks like you, yes. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
And I forgot to say, my father gave the Beatles... | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
had for them upstairs, where we were playing the music, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
boomerangs and a didgeridoo to give them. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
And so, that's what that's all about. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Well, now, this is the main event, of course. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
The signed invitation. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Signed beautifully by all four Beatles very clearly. | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
These are good things. They are good things here. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
They're even better, perhaps, in Australia. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
But there is certainly a worldwide interest in them. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
When we comes to value, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:09 | |
we're certainly talking between £5,000 and £8,000. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
What's that in dollars? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
Dollars about two to the pound now, so that's about AU10,000-AU15,000. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
-Brilliant object. -Well, thank you very much indeed. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
And thank you for having me on this show, all the way from Australia. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
It's great. It's been lovely to hear your experiences. Thanks so much. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Lord and Lady Lansdowne, it's an absolute pleasure to be here today | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
at your wonderful home. Thank you for having us. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
But it's even more of a pleasure to have an item out of your collection. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
And we have Napoleon's death mask. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
I actually have a version of this hanging on my own wall at home. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
And I suppose that's really why I'm going to be talking to you about it. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
But I know that a lot of family history is imbued in this item, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
so perhaps you can explain some of that to me. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
Well, as you know, Napoleon died in May 1821 | 0:15:11 | 0:15:17 | |
and my great-great-great-grandmother | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
married Napoleon's ADC. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Charles de Flahaut. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
Sorry, that's the aide-de-camp? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
-IN FRENCH ACCENTS: -Aide-de-camp. -Aide-de-camp! | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Thank you! | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
ADC, aide-de-camp. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
And went on that dreadful campaign to Russia, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
-which was Napoleon's downfall. -Yeah. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
So when Napoleon died... Actually, imagine the scene. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
He was surrounded by a lot of people | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
and one thing that was traditionally done | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
is that facial casts were taken - death masks. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
And all of that surrounding Napoleon at the time is very complicated, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
when it comes to us talking about | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
the amount of death masks that were actually cast. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Some people say that three originals were done | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
and these were wax casts or plaster casts. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Some people say four were done. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
But it's contentious. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
What we have here is a cast in bronze | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
from one of those original casts. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
And in 1821, when he died in May, basically, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
one of those people was his doctor - Antommarchi. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
Or one of several physicians that apparently attended. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
And that's one of the signatures that we can see | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
on the side of this bronze death mask here. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
We've also got foundry marks. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
It says "Fondu par L Richard et Quesnel a Paris." | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
So we know who the founders are and everything. It's all documented. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
And also, we have this little cartouche, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
signifying that it is actually Napoleon. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Now, my version at home on the wall is a plaster version. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
And in fact, actually, it looks slightly different to this. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
And that proves the point that the various versions | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
that there are around do differ facially. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
I think the profile... | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
And you look at, actually, some of the oil paintings of Napoleon, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
it's remarkably good. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
That nose... He's got a beaky nose, Napoleon. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
That is a Napoleonic nose. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Let's talk about some value on it. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
They are very, very sought after. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
We can talk about one plaster cast, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
that sold the year before last, which is called the Boys cast. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
And Pastor Boys was also one of the people | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
that was next to Napoleon's deathbed. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
And apparently, a cast was taken from the original | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
soon after by Boys. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
So we know that it's very close to that original cast. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Now, that cast sold the year before last for 170,000. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
What does that mean this one's worth? Well, of course... | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-Well, we don't know. -Absolutely. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
It's not quite that close to one of the original casts. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
What I do know is that, when these do come up for sale, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
which is very infrequently, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
they usually make around about £15,000 or £20,000 at auction. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
But we have all that extra added heritage | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
and provenance that goes with this one. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
How do you put a price on that? Very, very difficult. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
One thing I do know is that it's going to be snugly secreted | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
back in its beautiful cabinet in your museum. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
It's an amazing story. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
And I have to say, it's made even more emotive | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
by the fact that we're in the bi-centenary year | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
of the Battle of Waterloo. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
What a beautiful day. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
And the sun is shining on the righteous. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
Because this is all about John Wesley, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
the great Methodist preacher. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
-It is indeed. -Is there a connection with you? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
There is a connection with me. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
The gentleman in the photograph was my father. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
And he was a Methodist minister, but he collected this pottery, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
-some pictures, as well. -Yes. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
So who was John Wesley? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
John Wesley was the son of an Anglican vicar. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
Born and brought up in Lincolnshire, in Epworth, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
went to Oxford University and became a preacher. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
And in 1739, he had what he called his "heart-warming experience", | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
when he really trusted in God. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
And from then on, he began preaching all over the country. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
And Methodist Societies sprang up all around the countryside. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
He lived to a ripe old age - he lived to be 88 - | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
and was still preaching a week before he died. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Wesley had a great connection with Stoke-on-Trent, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
so many of the works are done at Stoke-on-Trent, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
-including these two busts. -Yes. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
This one is a beautiful bust, isn't it? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
-It is. Obadiah. Yes. -Obadiah Sherratt. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
He was a great Staffordshire potter. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
And the Wesley bust over there is one of the Wood family potters. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
-It is, it's an Enoch Wood... -Enoch Wood, yes. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
-..who had John Wesley sit for him in about 1780-81. -Yes. | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
-And these busts were produced in John Wesley's lifetime. -Yes. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
-And they are just so beautiful. -They're beautifully made. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
And the colours on the face. You know, the painting. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Absolutely wonderful, yes. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
-He must've been a famous person in his time. -Yes, I think he was. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
He'd travelled the country. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
-Travelled thousands of miles each year. -Yes. By horseback. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
-On horseback. -Because, in those days, no cars or bikes. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
And usually sitting reading as he rode, you know? | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
-Or even writing sermons, I think. -I know people to go on bikes reading. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
-It's very dangerous. -On horseback. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
-But to do it on a horse, it's not so bad. -No. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
-And this strange model here... -Yes. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
That is actually a caricature of John Wesley. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
I've no idea how many were produced, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
-but it was made out of the vertebrae of a horse. -Vertebrae of a horse? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Good Lord. I've never seen one before. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
He was a great, great, great man. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
So, values... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
Well, the Wood bust, it's probably going to be £1,000. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
And the Obadiah Sherratt bust, several times that. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
-Really? -Yes. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
The other pieces, not so greatly valuable, but all very personal. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Together, the whole collection is going to be valued | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
at thousands of pounds. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
Look after it. Guard it. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
And pass it on to the next generation. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
I hope I shall be able to, yes. Yes. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
-Well, it's a great treasure in our house. -Yes. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Thank you. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
Well, I recognise this immediately, because it's my local church | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
and this is the original design | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
by CR Ashbee, one of the most important leaders | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
of the Arts and Crafts movement at the turn of the 20th century. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
-And it's a design for an organ case. -That's right. Yes. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
The organ case was commissioned by the Harris family. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
Of course, of the Harris meat products of this area. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
But Ashbee, he went on in the 20th century | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
to develop this school of Arts and Crafts, | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
designing jewellery, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
he had a printing press - the Essex House Press - | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
and, obviously, in the Cotswolds, where they produced | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
all sorts of lovely pieces of furniture and things like that. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
Where did you find this? | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
-It obviously looks as though it's been in the wars. -It has. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
Well, it was bought... | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
I'm the parish administrator for the parish of Calne and Blackland. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
This is St Mary's church, actually. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
And because the humidity levels in the church | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
were not doing the picture any good, it was brought over there. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
So here is the early-20th-century design of the organ case | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
and this is what it's like in all its glory today - | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
beautifully restored, in absolutely immaculate condition. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
It's an important piece. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
I don't know of any other organ case or piece of art | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
that Ashbee did that is quite like this. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
I can see a piece like that, it's £20,000-£25,000. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
My word! | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
-Goodness me! -It's a wonderful piece. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
-Thank you so much for bringing it in. -Gosh. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Oh...! | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
Speechless. That's rare for me! | 0:23:03 | 0:23:04 | |
-THEY LAUGH -Thank you. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
These Chinese jade carvings, I like them, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
because they all have a very specific meaning. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
This one here, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
which is a small boy on the back of a large bottle gourd | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
represents having many sons. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
But I particular like this one here, which is a monkey and a peach. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
-Do you know much about this one? -No. I don't. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Except, I believe it's a token for longevity. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
You're absolutely right. And it's... | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
Actually, it goes back to a sort of 16th-century | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
Chinese mythological story about the Monkey King. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
It was in The Journey To The West. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
The Monkey King, who was called Sun Wukong, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
he gatecrashed a party and he ate all the peaches of longevity | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
and ever since then, the monkey, together with the peach, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
-in Chinese mythology, has been used to represent longevity. -Lovely. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
I think they're great things. They are made to be handled. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
They are made by scholars. Where did you get these from? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
We bought them in Singapore, when we were there in the 1970s. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
We were always told they were sleeve pieces. What did that mean? | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
Well, that's one way of calling them, sleeve pieces. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
They could also be called handling pieces, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
because they were designed specifically to be picked up, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
handled and turned over. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
The idea of them being a sleeve piece, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
if you are wearing a long Chinese robe, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
you'd be able to store them turned up in your sleeve. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
So they become a handling piece or a sleeve piece | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
and they are to be picked up, touched. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
And so, how tactile they are is very important to them. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
-How glorious. -It is. It's a lovely idea. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
These all date from the reign of the Emperor Chien Lung. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
That's what we were told. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:47 | |
Do you remember how much you paid for them in Singapore? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
These were all under 100 Singapore. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
-Under 100 Singapore dollars? -Yeah. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
I don't know the exchange rate. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
At that time, it was eight to the pound. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Nowadays, I don't know if you follow the market in Chinese jades, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
but they really are quite sought after. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
In auction today, you are probably looking at £5,000 here. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:12 | |
-Goodness. -Maybe a little bit more here. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
Maybe 5,000 to 8,000 here. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
This one here...I don't actually know the iconography. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
This is a mythical beast. It's a very curious animal. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
But the Chinese particularly like this stone, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
which has these brownish inclusions in it | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
and I think this one could easily top £10,000 at auction. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
So I think you've got more than £20,000 here. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
I think I'd better up the insurance. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Lovely to see them. But thank you for coming. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
Thank you, sir. Gosh, that's a shock. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
This week, our regular challenge to Spot The Impostor | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
has been set by Will Farmer. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
Now, normally, of course, you'll find Will talking about ceramics. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
But this time, he's brought along four vintage film posters. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Except one is a more modern reproduction. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
The question is... | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
which is it? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
If you're sitting at home wondering what you should be looking for, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
Will has some clues for you. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
This Lawrence Of Arabia poster has barely a crease, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
so has it come straight off the presses in the 1960s | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
and been preserved in what we now call "rolled condition"? | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Or has it come straight off a modern laser printer? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
This classic Carry On poster has signs of wear and tear. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
So is it an original that was folded up to post to the cinema | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
or a novelty reproduction that's been made to look old? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Is this gorgeous image by British illustrator Tom Chantrell | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
an original movie poster | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
or a much later copy made for the Marilyn Monroe market? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Was this iconic sci-fi poster pinned up in a cinema foyer in the 1950s | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
or is it just a copy | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
that's been stuck to the wall of a student house? | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
So, Will, are you a fan of these vintage posters, then? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Oh, I absolutely love them. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
I mean, what we're looking at here are just four examples of, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
really, the golden age of Hollywood. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
You know, it's that cinematography, that films all over the world. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
And these would have once sat in the foyers of the great movie houses | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
to promote the films that were coming up. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
-The question for you is... one of them's not right. -I know! | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
I mean, just looking at them... | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
I mean, Carry On Cleo is famous for, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
-"Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!" Isn't it? -Absolutely. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Lawrence Of Arabia I've seen. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:43 | |
And of course, what you see there is the lashings of eyeliner | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
that Peter O'Toole had on. Do you remember that? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
And these two... I know War Of The Worlds. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
I don't know that Marilyn Monroe movie Let's Make Love. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
What we're looking at here, to start with, are all classed as UK quads. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
But when you're looking at movie posters, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
there are a couple of things | 0:28:01 | 0:28:02 | |
that really stand out for anybody entering into it. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
Number one is the printing technique. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Original, genuine posters of this age should be done | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
through either a stone or offset lithographic process. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
And when you look at the way it sits on the paper, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
-it's very different to a modern digital image. -OK. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
On top of that, you're looking at the size of the poster. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Now, there are lots of websites out there | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
that will help you check that your size for each poster is right. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
The paper they're printed on. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
Now, the modern reproductions are painted on | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
this sort of slick, glossy paper that you can't fold, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
you can't do anything with it. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
Whereas the original posters, when they were issued, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
were sent folded in envelopes to the theatres. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
And on top of that, I think the big thing is, look at the poster. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
Is it too good to be true? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
And spot for things like Academy Award nominations, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
which are what we call re-issues. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Because, of course, when a film came out, it was before the awards. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
And then, often, a poster will then be reissued | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
saying how many awards it achieved. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
OK, but, Will, everything you've said there therefore points to that. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Clearly, because it's not been folded, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
it's got winner of Academy Awards. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
But knowing you as I do, I'm just wondering, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
because I know you very well, Will, if you're bowling me a googly. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:22 | |
I mean, this has got a massive fold through it. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
This...has not, actually. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
And that has. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
Yeah, I can't tell the difference between the techniques. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
I mean, they've all got this border on, except that one. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
-Decision time. -OK. I think you're trying to put me off the trail | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
by making that too obvious. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
I'm going to feel a complete idiot if it is indeed that one. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
So I'm going to say... | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
Except, that does look more recent. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
OK, I'm going to go... | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
Otherwise, it's this one. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:55 | |
-I'm going to say that is the impostor. -Final answer? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
CROWD ALL MAKE SUGGESTIONS | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Go with it. OK. It's not my decision, it's theirs. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
We're going for that one. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
So we're saying Lawrence Of Arabia, in rolled condition, no creases | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
is the impostor. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Yes, we are. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
Oh, hang on... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
As a consensus, we are. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Fakes and forgeries should be destroyed. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
You would be destroying a poster worth £5,000. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
EVERYONE GASPS | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Why do I listen to you?! | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
I'm blaming them. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
I knew, I knew... | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
Oh, I don't know why I believe a word you say. OK... | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
You were right on your second choice. It's War Of The Worlds. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Right. Don't give me that now! | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
This falls into the prime category... | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
if it's too good to be true. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Nobody has ever found a UK quad | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
for War Of The Worlds up for sale ever. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
One has never been found. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
I mean, the key thing is I wish the poster was real. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
Because this poster, if it was real, | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
would be worth in excess of £100,000. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Well, if you have any vintage movie posters, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
I hope you have better luck with them than I just have. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
We'd love to see them at the Roadshow. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
Will would love to see them. So do bring them along. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
I'm going to call this a tale of two dishes. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Because, two dishes, they look | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
as if they're from different planets, don't they? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
They are totally different. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
-Can you tell me anything about them? -Not a lot. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
They've been in the family for a couple of generations, I suppose. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
I remember them in my grandmother's house. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
But I think they probably came from a great-uncle, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Great-Uncle Douglas, who travelled a lot. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
This green thing here... | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
-By the way, I must admit first, I like this one. -Yes. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
That's why it's nearest to me. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
But this green one is Chinese. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
And it's really quite old. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
-It's late-Yuan, early-Ming Dynasty. -Wow. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
And that will date it from about 1300 to 1400... | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
Good gracious! | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
..and make it 600 years old. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
700 years old. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
-Isn't that incredible? -It is. And it survived. -It survived. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
But it's a real piece of Ming. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
You know, the old joke about the Ming vase. You've got real Ming! | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
-But this is the one I like. -Yes. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
Have you noticed how it was made, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
the technique that was used to decorate it? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Well, I see that it's raised and it slightly worries me | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
-that the little cherubs are caught in the web. -Yes. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Well, it's raised because it's raised white clay | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
on the surface of the plate. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
And because it's porcelain, and porcelain is translucent, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
the thickness of the clay varies across the figures, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
giving a different amount of shading. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
And that technique, a technique of building up liquid slip, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
-is called pate-sur-pate. -Oh, yes. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
-You've heard of that? -I have. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:03 | |
And that was developed in France, at the Sevres factory | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
and brought to England by a man called Marc-Louis Solon, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
who worked for Minton. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
This plate isn't Minton. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
It has a very indistinct mark on the back. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
It took me some while to see what it was. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
-But it's the mark of a factory called George Jones. -Oh, yes? | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
George Jones were a great factory in Staffordshire | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
and the only artist at George Jones who could've created this | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
wonderful, humorous, silly scene | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
is a man called Frederick Schenck. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
And Frederick Schenck was influenced by Solon, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
influenced by the humour of this kind of decoration. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
It dates from about 1880, 1885. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
So here we have a dish from 1300, 1400. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
And here we have a dish from 1880 to 1885. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
And I suppose we need to talk about the value. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
I suppose we must. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
This is worth £1,500-£2,000. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
This is worth £1,500 to £2,000. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Well, fancy that! | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
That's excellent. Thank you very much. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Right, here's an intriguing pair of pistols in a French fitted case. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
-But they're not French. -They're not? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
No. They're Belgian. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
Oh, gosh. I had no idea. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
And family pistols? | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
Yes. Although, I'm not too sure, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
because my father didn't tell me exactly where he got them from. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
-Probably his father's. -Right. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
-So, mystery. -Yes. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
They are very interesting because they're dual-purpose. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
You have the long barrel, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
which you screw on, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
with a hidden trigger. Watch... | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Oh, right. Oh... | 0:34:58 | 0:34:59 | |
Percussion cap. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
And we're good to go. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
Now, that's quite a long barrel and you can target shoot with them. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
However, they also, if we take this barrel off... | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
..and put this barrel on... | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Exactly the same. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:22 | |
But now, it's short, handy and can fit into a pocket | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
to stop ne'er-do-wells, in case they're after your loose change. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
They are very, very pretty. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Nicely engraved. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
Brass and silver inlay. We say they're Belgian. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
-We know that because... -Yes, that tiny... That intrigued me. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
That is "ELG". | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
That is the mark of the Liege Belgian Proof House. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
About 1850. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-Right. -Very interesting with the two sets of barrels. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
It really is quite unusual. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
I would think that's about £800 worth of pistols. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
-Very nice they are, too. -Very nice. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
When I first saw this, I got very excited, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
because I and my husband keep bees. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
And it actually is a French skep, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
which is used in France | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
to collect bee swarms. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:19 | |
It's also got another name and I think you probably know it. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
-Etui. -Etui, yes. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
Which is French for keeper, or keeping sewing items. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
So it is the most enchanting thing. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
And here we have a complete set for sewing. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
They're gilt metal. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
A thimble. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
This is very, very, very sharp. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
And a wonderful little pair of scissors. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
Again, incredibly beautifully done, possibly in Paris. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
And you've had it for how long? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
It belonged to my aunt | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
and I remember it as a child in a cupboard, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
but never really asked her enough about it. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:00 | |
Or anything about it, which is rather a shame. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
-Did you ever open it? -No. Never opened it. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Oh, what a lovely surprise. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
After she died and we were clearing out the house, we found this. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
And so I was able to have it and opened it up | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
and found all that inside. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
I can understand how exciting that was, because it was for me. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
You know, you brought it to me and I thought, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
"That is enchanting on its own." | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
And then, to open it up and find this is so unusual. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
-How clever of the French to think of something like that. -Yes. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
And it's circa 1825. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
-So, a lot older than your aunt. -Yes, yes. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
And I would put a value on it of £800-£1,200. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
Right, right. Gosh, that's amazing. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
Yes. Yeah, lovely. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
Well, here we have The Exploration Of Kina Balu, North Borneo, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
by John Whitehead. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
This wonderful late-Victorian, lovely, decorated cover. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
I'm just absolutely blown away by this particular item. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
It's something that on a Roadshow anybody would want to do. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
This is just the most fantastic thing. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
John Whitehead, a very important plant hunter, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
a bird hunter of the late-19th century. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
-Indeed. -And you have brought in his book, given to his sister, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:23 | |
-and all the original illustrations to this book. -Right. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
-Who is John Whitehead in relation to you? -He was my great-uncle. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
-And his sister was my grandmother. -His sister was your grandmother? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
And here is the presentation copy. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
Here is the inscription... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:40 | |
"Lucy Boosey from John Whitehead, July, 1893." | 0:38:41 | 0:38:47 | |
Now, he was a great fan of Darwin, wasn't it? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
And Alfred Wallace, of course. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Must've been people he had looked up to all his life. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Oh, indeed, yes. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
The Origin Of Species came out in, what, 1859. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
And he was born in, what, 1860? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
And so he went out to Borneo and Southeast Asia | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
and he looked for animals and plants | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
and preserved them and brought them all back to England. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
At the request of the Zoological Society. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
At the request of the Zoological Society. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
And here is a wonderful, wonderful view here | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
of Kinabalu from Gaia Island, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
-one of his illustrations. -Yes, indeed. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
And you have got the original illustrations here. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
In fact, I can hardly believe it, because you've got more than one. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
These all appear in the book, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
-but some of them have not been published at all. -No, that's true. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
I mean, there are just wonderful, wonderful pictures here. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
Scenes of people and all this sort of thing. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
I'll just turn this around. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
I can hardly bear to show just a bare few items here. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
There are just so many of them that are just absolutely so good. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
-So, you've got everything here from this expedition? -Yes. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
There are some very humorous ones coming. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
Yes. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
-Well, I think that one is quite humorous there. -Yes, it is. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
But, you know, all these lovely birds... | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
Presumably, he collected them all. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
-Well, they were all because they were suitable specimens. -Yes. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
I've turned over here, because we've got this wonderful picture. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
Look at that. Now, if that isn't humorous, I don't know what isn't. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
"A black hornbill, young," it says. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
"Young." | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
From North Borneo. I think that's absolutely tremendous. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
And this lovely, lovely picture here. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
This is of Kinabalu, isn't it? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Yes, it is. Yes. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
The famous peak of Mount Kinabalu. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
And he was, of course, a naturalist. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
And so he would have seen this wonderful sacred mountain | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
-for what it was. -Indeed, yeah. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
But the colouring is so beautiful. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
And the colouring is so good | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
because it's been kept in this album, of course. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
It hasn't been out in the bright sunlight. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
One thing is you can see why the place is sacred | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
-to the people who live there. -Absolutely. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
It's a wonderful-looking mountain, isn't it? | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
So, this album... | 0:41:06 | 0:41:07 | |
-You've got another two or three albums. I've got to value them. -Yes. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
I find it incredibly difficult, actually. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
But there are pages and pages and pages of watercolours. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
You must stop when you feel right. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
I mean, when I get up to a reasonable height, yes. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
Well, I'm going to value this collection at... | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
..£35,000. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
Gosh! | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
Is that enough? | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
I'm... | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
No! Nothing's enough! | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
It's lovely to share them. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
Well, you've shared them with me and I'm too excited. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
I've got too many pages that I want to show and not enough time. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
But thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure for me. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
I found this at Roundway Hill, summer last year. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
It's a Civil War site. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
We were just having a look around with the children. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
And this was just sticking out of the earth. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
So this watercolour is signed JMW Turner. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
And on the back of this we've got "assumed to be Constable". | 0:42:07 | 0:42:12 | |
Where did they come from? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
Well, some years ago I was at an auction | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
and there was a large box of about a dozen old pictures. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
It's not Civil War, actually. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
-And I'm pleased to say that I think it's Viking. -Lovely. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
So I think this thing goes back well over 1,000 years, potentially. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
Fantastic. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:33 | |
Did you pay much for them? | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
-The whole thing was about £40, I think. -Oh, well, nothing, really. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
So the sad news is, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:41 | |
we do see lots of pictures with Turner and Constable on. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
This one, this lovely atmospheric watercolour, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
it's not by Turner, unfortunately. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
And he's not by Constable, either. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Now, it's silver or base metal. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Such things, you really have to declare them, of course, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
because of their age. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:00 | |
-And you have to go through that process. -I did tell my wife. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Right. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
-She's not the coroner, though. -No. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
But certainly this watercolour, it's in the style of another artist | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
called Edmund Morison Wimperis. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
It's probably worth £150-£200. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
And the picture not by Constable, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
perhaps in the style of Reynolds, is worth about £50-£100. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
You've done pretty well, anyway. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
But they're not the two great artists. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Being silver or pewter, we would need to test it. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
Still looking at probably | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
something in the region of £400 or £500 for it. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
-Fantastic. -So that is a really special find. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
-Sticking out of the ground? -Yes. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
It was meant to be, wasn't it? | 0:43:38 | 0:43:39 | |
-It was, yeah. -There it is. Thank you. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
Wow, this one really is all singing and all dancing. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
It's the craziest stick I've ever seen. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Yes, it is a bit unusual. That's why I brought it up. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
I've been trying to find out, you know, where it's from. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
-It belonged to my mother. -It belonged your mother? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
She bought it in an auction in the 1950s | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
for a couple of pounds, I think. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
-And it was in her wardrobe for many years. -Really? | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
Languishing there. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
Yes. At the auction, somebody came up towards the end, | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
a notable person, and said, "If I'd come to the auction a bit earlier, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
"you wouldn't have had that, my girl." | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
If I'd have been at the auction, nobody would have had it! | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
Because I just love it. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
Well, it's got everything going on all at once. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
And, obviously, he's used the shape of the branch to depict this... | 0:44:29 | 0:44:35 | |
-At first, I thought it was a swan. But I think it's a goose. -Right. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
With diminutive little, tiny webbed feet | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
that could never carry it through the water. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
It's got a stag's head here, eating some foliage. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
It's got two snakes, winding down it. Both with glass eyes. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
These little red beads, by the way, are called white hearts. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
-These beads are from Italy. -Right. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
They're Venetian. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
Then down here, you've got someone on horseback... | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
..which tells me where it's from. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
You've got pugilists down here. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Two sparring and two waiting at the back. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
You've got birds in flight being frightened by a dog. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
It's just all going on. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
You've got a cockerel. Now, where do you think it's from? | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
My mother seemed to think it was from India. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
She thought, you know, it was from the British Raj in India. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
and she thought it was perhaps a sergeant major's stick. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
-No, nothing like that. -No? | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
-Not from that part. It's not that far east. -Right. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
This is St George and the dragon. He's saint of where? | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
-England. -And Greece. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
And you've got here, as well, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
to back up my point about it being Greek, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
a Greek soldier. You know, the little pleated skirts? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
I've seen them parading around the palaces and so on there. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
So it's definitely Greek. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
And it's 19th century. And it's fantastic. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
The depth of carving is unbelievable. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
And things like this have a value, certainly to me, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
and collectors like me. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
And I think one as good as this would make £1,500-£2,000. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:12 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:13 | |
Right, OK. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
I thought it might be a couple of hundred, but nothing like that, no. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
The market for this has really risen in the last few years | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
and people really love folk art walking sticks. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
-And this is really as good as it gets. -Right. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
Well, thank you very much. I brought it all the way from Wales | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
-to try and find out what it was. -Well, there's your answer. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
-I've worked it out. -I'm very impressed. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
Thank you. Thank you very much. I really want you to give this to me. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
This little box is just so intriguing. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
It's gem-like, jewel-like, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
the way it just sits here on the table. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
-How did it come into your life? -It's my grandmother's. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
She was Russian. She was Baroness Kozlovska. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
And she went through two Russian revolutions | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
and lost everything twice. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
And then fled to Vienna, which is where my grandfather had parents. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
And he bought that for her, I think, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
partly as recompense for having lost everything in Russia. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
And so they bought that in Vienna. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
And it's been in the family since then. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
So, with such, you know, upheaval in their lives, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
it makes you wonder how on earth did they manage to hold on to objects? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
-Anything, even like this? -Horse and cart. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
It was literally sort of coming out from, | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
whether it's from Russia to Vienna or from Vienna to Danzig | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
or Danzig to Rome, essentially what came in a suitcase | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
and what you could fit on a cart and that was it. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
And it was basically small things. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
So we've got some clocks, small pictures, everything like that. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
The only big thing we have left is a desk. But that's it. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
The rest of it is just little trinkets like this, you know? | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
Well, you have an incredible background with your family. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
Incredible travels. Incredible stories. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
And also that sense of money and wealth. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
And that would fit in, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
because this little box is as well travelled as your grandparents were. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
This little box will have actually travelled all the way from New York. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
-Right. -And there's a little clue for that. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
Because, as exquisite as it is on the top, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
it actually belies what's underneath, | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
which is just a very simple | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
little three-letter monogram - "LCT". | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
Which, of course, is Louis Comfort Tiffany. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
And when we say that name, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
it just conjures up the most wonderful creator. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
I mean, one of America's greatest leading lights | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
in the field of applied arts. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
Of course, he's known predominantly for his glasswork. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
Everyone knows the stunning stained-glass windows. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
And his key years, really, are from the 1870s to the 1920s, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
when he was regarded so highly by everybody in America. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
They knew he was one of their gems. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
In around 1899, he actually moved away from the glass | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
and started to develop a passion for working in enamel. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
And that's what this is. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
This is enamelwork onto a metal ground. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
But you know what? This man was a genius. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
He understood applied art. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
He understood the beauty of an object. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
And no matter whether it was a lamp | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
that would stand this high on the table | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
or this exquisite little pillbox, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
it was done with the most refined finesse | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
that designer could come up with. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
And, of course, it made its way, where else, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
-into the hands of a Russian baroness. -Yes, it did. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
It seems appropriate, really. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:37 | |
Well, stylish and elegant is as stylish and elegant does. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:43 | |
And when we look at this, we have to think about the money side of it. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:48 | |
Well, today, if you had to go out and replace it... | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
-..you'd need £3,000. -Wow! | 0:49:52 | 0:49:53 | |
That's brilliant. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:56 | |
-Well, I hope that your grandmother is looking down... -I'm sure she is. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
..ever stylish and now knows... | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
I should have brought a photograph, shouldn't I? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you very much. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
Beautiful surprise. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:07 | |
This is a great tin-plate car | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
and on the front of the box here we see Captain Malcolm Campbell. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
Now, what do you know about Malcolm Campbell? | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
Well, not that much, really. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
I know he did the land speed record, but that's about all, really. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
Well, I think, you know, most people think about Bluebird | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
and they think about the land speed record | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
and they think about his son Donald and his water speed record. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
But it was this extraordinary family of sort of speed merchants. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
And Malcolm Campbell, he had this extraordinary car, Bluebird, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
which he christened Bluebird, after he saw a play in the West End | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
and he thought, "Oh, that's a good name for a car." So, there it was. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
And he went through all kinds of records, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
a lot of them in the UK, in Wales. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
And then, to really hit the high point, he went over to America. | 0:50:54 | 0:51:00 | |
And that's where this extraordinary record was made of the 245mph. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:07 | |
And we know the date of that. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
It was in Daytona and it was in 1931. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
Another interesting thing happened in that time, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
is that when he came back from Daytona, he was knighted. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
But he's called Captain here. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
So it's in that tiny window, I think. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
I think this dates really precisely to 1931, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
between the time that he got the record | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
and the time that he was knighted. A great thing. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
It's made by a company called Guntermann of Nuremberg. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
So, why did you buy it? | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
I didn't. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
Oh! | 0:51:40 | 0:51:41 | |
I didn't buy it. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
It actually belongs to my partner and it was his father's | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
and his father was given it as a birthday present | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
when he was about 10 or 11. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:50 | |
-When was he born? -He was born in 1920. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
Yes! | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
It works! It works! | 0:51:54 | 0:51:55 | |
And it's been a treasured item in the family all that time. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
Great. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
In my mind, when I look at an object on the Roadshow, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
I have a series of boxes that I like to tick. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
And do you know what? This ticks all those boxes. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
-That's fabulous. -And it also ticks the value box, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
because it would fetch at auction between £1,000 and £1,500. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
Oh, wow...! | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
Crikey! | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
That's amazing. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
You do surprise me. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
Yeah, that's wonderful. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
Say it again! | 0:52:25 | 0:52:26 | |
Well, what a fantastic crowd we've got here today. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
And they're expecting to see something truly exciting. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
And, wow, you have brought something truly exciting. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
This all relates to the most famous ocean liner in the world - | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
the Titanic - | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
and its sad demise in 1912, just over 100 years ago. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
It all relates to, I believe, a relation of yours. Who was he? | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
-Yes, he was my great-uncle. -Your great-uncle? -Yes. Yes. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
-And his name was? -Herbert John Pitman. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
He was an officer or...? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
Yes, he was the Third Officer on the Titanic. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
And when he died in 1961, it was left to my father. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
And when he died in 1997, it was passed on to my brother and myself. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
Now, obviously, he was one of the survivors. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
But how did that come about? | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
He was put in charge of one of the lifeboats | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
and they lowered it and that's all I know about it. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
Fantastic. Well, a photograph. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
And these are the surviving officers from the Titanic. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
And going from left to right, it's, I think, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
Harold Lowe, Charles Lightoller | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
Joseph Boxhall | 0:53:37 | 0:53:38 | |
and then there's Herbert Pitman just seated in the centre there. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
One of the more important things is his certificate of discharge. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
There's his name. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Now, this was hugely important | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
to anybody who had a career on ocean liners, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
because it listed every single vessel you ever served on | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
and if you had good conduct or bad. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
So it's basically like a school report. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
And if we just open it to the relevant date... | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
You can see that he was on the Oceanic | 0:54:03 | 0:54:08 | |
and then, in April 1912, he joined the Titanic. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
Now, this was all in manuscript. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
-Presumably, the original went down with the ship? -It did. It did. Yes. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
So when he then rejoined the Oceanic, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
it then gets stamped | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
-and he gets the various comments against it. -That's right. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
-And he had a long career? -Yes. He retired in 1947. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:31 | |
He sailed straight through all that time. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
-How amazing. -It is. It is. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
-And did you ever meet him? -I did. Yes. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
He used to come and stay and have a holiday with us. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
My father used to take him out. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
He enjoyed cricket and they used to go and watch cricket. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
-And did he ever talk about his experiences? -No, he didn't. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
He didn't talk to me or my father. He didn't like to talk about it. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
-Understandably. It must have been quite traumatic. -I would say. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
Although he didn't talk to you about it, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
-he actually wrote it in here. -He did. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
I'm just going to read an extract, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
which I think is particularly poignant. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
At this stage, it's 2.20am in the morning. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
He's been lowered from davits in the lifeboat, a full lifeboat, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:18 | |
and this is his comment... | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
"At 2.20am, 15th of April 1912, (by my watch), | 0:55:20 | 0:55:25 | |
"all lights on board disappeared | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
"and in a few moments, the vessel's stern was in the air. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
"The next moment, she was gone. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
"Within the next ten minutes or so, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
"it was truly heartbreaking to hear the cries | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
"coming from the hundreds of drowning people | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
"and we could do nothing about it as my boat was full." | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
I mean, how awful. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
And he couldn't do anything, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
-because it would have endangered the people on board. -Yes. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
Very poignant. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:54 | |
So, we have to think about values. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
The photograph has been published before. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
-You'll find it in several books on Titanic. -Oh, OK. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
I have seen it before. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
-And that's only because I could then identify who they were. -Right. OK. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
But even so, it's contemporary. Presumably done... | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Obviously, they're not in their uniforms, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
but probably not long after the event. Maybe in the 1920s. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
Right. OK. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
So that's going to be worth maybe sort of £1,000-£1,500. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
Wow! Really? | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
The manuscript...£2,000-£3,000. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
Wow. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
However, the discharge papers... | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
They weren't on board, but it's the whole of his life and his career. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
And I would think, certainly at auction, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
you'd be talking between £6,000 and £10,000. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
Wow! | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
Amazing. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
Wow! | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
But, I mean, it's family. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
It is, yes. Yes. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
We shall be keeping it for a while. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:00 | |
And how proud to have that man as part of your history. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
And I'm sure it'll remain in your family for a long time to come. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
-I think so. -But thank you so much. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:09 | |
-Were you excited by that? -ALL: Yes! | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
-I was. Thank you so much. -OK. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
Well, how fascinating. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:17 | |
And how moving to hear that account from the Titanic. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
It's so rare to hear from someone | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
who was there to witness it first-hand. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
And other than the family, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
you know, you, we are the only people to have heard it. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
And the family have no intention of publishing it, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
so we may be the last to hear it, as well. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Just remarkable. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
From Bowood House and the Antiques Roadshow team, bye-bye. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 |