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Today, the Antiques Roadshow makes a return visit to a location | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
that's been witness to a battle on more than one occasion, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
a bloody conflict and a war of words. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Welcome to Tewkesbury Abbey in Gloucestershire. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
On 4th May 1471, the Abbot was celebrating Mass here as usual. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
Inside, all was calm, but outside, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
the Battle of Tewkesbury was raging - | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
one of the most decisive of the Wars of the Roses. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
And then suddenly, without warning, the doors of the abbey burst open | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
and Lancastrian troops rushed in seeking sanctuary. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Hot on their heels, the Yorkist victors and Edward IV, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
baying for their blood. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
The Abbot was all that stood between them. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
With masterful diplomacy, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
he managed to restore calm and avoid bloodshed within the abbey. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
But it was only a temporary reprieve for the Lancastrian soldiers. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
They were executed a couple of days later. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Here in the sacristy, where the abbey would have stored | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
its treasures, is a memento from the Battle of Tewkesbury | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
that our military experts would love to get their hands on. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
And here it is. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
These strips here on the back of the door are strips of metal | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
believed to be from the horses' armour during the battle. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
And it's all covered in little holes. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Look, there are a couple here, which are most likely arrow holes | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
caused by the arrow piercing the horses' armour. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
It's a wonderful old door, isn't it? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
A case of medieval recycling, if you like. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
And security was clearly a concern in those days. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
The monks even had a spy hole built, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
so they could look in on the room and make sure that no-one | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
was coming in and stealing the church silver. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Not all the abbey's treasures were so easily protected, though. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Until the mid-19th century, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
the abbey still retained its precious medieval features. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
All it took was a Victorian architect to literally wipe away | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
centuries of history. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
In 1874, Sir Gilbert Scott, the English Gothic revival architect, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
took charge of a plan to supposedly restore Tewkesbury Abbey | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
to what he thought it ought to look like. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
There were some positive changes, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
but they were overshadowed by some real howlers. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
For instance, the Norman pillars were scrubbed clean | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
to remove images from the Bible. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
It was thought that they were unsightly and a later addition. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
In fact, they were original artworks dating from the 13th century. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
The restoration provoked a high-profile war of words. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
William Morris, the textile designer and social activist, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
was outraged and publicly rubbished the project. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
He went on to found the Society For The Protection Of Ancient Buildings | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
as a result of what he saw as the desecration of historic sites. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Fortunately for us, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
the abbey is still a beautiful place to visit today. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Rather ironically there's a William Morris textile | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
kept here at the abbey, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
though no-one knows where it came from. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Maybe our experts can shed some light on it. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Let's join them and our visitors for today's Antiques Roadshow, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
outside in the abbey's Pageant Meadow. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
So, we're dealing here with an art mystery, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
a picture that is just referred to | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
in your family as "The Impressionist". | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Yes. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
How did it come into your family? | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Well, I don't know, maybe my father bought it. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
He collected paintings. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
I've had it hanging up in my bedroom and it doesn't look very interesting | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
there at all. It's the first time I've ever seen it | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
with the sun shining straight on it, and it looks so beautiful. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
Isn't that astonishing? | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
And it's the sunlight upon snow, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
because this is a snow scene, I think. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
So it seems to be a French village or the outskirts of the village. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
Date-wise it seems to be early 20th century. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
OK, you're getting close, because you called it The Impressionist, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
and Impressionism is what this is really all about. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
And when it was introduced in 1870 as a style, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
as an approach to art, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
it was revolutionary. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
It was the artistic equivalent of splitting the atom. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Suddenly people looked at form, looked at shape, colour, nature, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
approached subject matter in a completely different way. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
The thing that one can really enjoy are these conspicuous brushstrokes, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
and as your eye burrows into the bottom right-hand corner, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
you can see these curly strokes. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
The strokes themselves become an animated part | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
of the overall composition. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
It's as if, it's as if they border on sculpture, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
and this is something that Monet was so good at. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
He reinvented the brushstroke, and this artist, whoever he may be, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
has clearly looked at Monet. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Now, I know that it's signed bottom right | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
and you've tried to work out what it says. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
Artists don't often make it easy for you to read the signature, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
but this one is a little bit more readable than one might imagine. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
The artist is Gustave Loiseau. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
-Oh, right. -Now, who was he? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
-Yes. -Well, he was an Impressionist, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
but if you were to rank Impressionism | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
you would put the top figures, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
people like Monet, people like Pissarro, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
all of whose influence can be seen beaming down on this, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
just as the sun is now. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
The artist is clearly aware, he's in thrall of it all, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
but he's not quite learnt to have the same vision and clarity | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
as those artists. But nonetheless, he's learnt the language. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
This is what we're dealing with, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
an artist who is a second-rate Impressionist. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Oh! | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
What a shame! | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
But this is what we're dealing with, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
a second-rank Impressionist. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
We know, for example, this artist was born in the late 19th century. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
We know that he got a legacy from his grandmother, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
and as a result of that he was able to leave his job as a decorator | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
and become an Impressionist. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
-Oh, he was a decorator? -He was a decorator to start with. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
-How fascinating. -And perhaps one can see a bit of that, do you think? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
A bit of dragging and rolling? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
-Yes! -LAUGHTER | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
And perhaps he thought that house there | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
was in need of a lick of paint. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Well, why not? Let's just say that if it were by Monet, Pissarro, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:57 | |
you could add a few noughts here. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:58 | |
Yes. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
But even though it's not, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
it's still worth between about £10,000-£15,000. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Oh, goodness! | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
Well, that's very good news, thank you. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
These mountains were used by the literati, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
the scholars in China... | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Right, OK. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
..as objects of contemplation. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
Oh, OK. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
So they would have that on their table | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
and they would get inspiration from it, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
and they were often in the form of mountains like this, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
a mountain range. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
You would have pines, symbolic of long life, or resistance to winter. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:44 | |
-Right, OK. -You'd normally have a couple of figures on a bridge, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
or scattered about in here. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Do you have any history with this? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
All I know, really, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
was that my parents bought it when they were out in Singapore, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
late '50s, early '60s. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-OK. -My mum, she came out of London, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
she was brought up by Sally's Army | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
and effectively escaped after the war. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
-Gosh. -Met my dad out in Singapore, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
and they were as poor as church mice. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
I mean, they wouldn't have spent any money on this. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
This was the piece that she loved and... | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
-More than any of the others? -More than any of the others, yeah, | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
and they collected bits and bobs. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
Do you know what she liked about it? | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
She loved the detail. And, in fact, that's exactly what I love about it. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
I can look at this and look continuously | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
and find another little scene and think, "It's so pretty." | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
I can't get my head around how they can create a scene | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
as detailed as this, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
and so refined as this, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
where you're just using some little tools and eyesight. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
-It is Chinese. -Right, OK. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
The date is actually fairly difficult. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
It could have been as late as when your mother bought it, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
-but I don't think it is. -Right, OK. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
I think it's further back into the 20th century, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
or even the late 19th century, probably about 1880, 1910, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
somewhere round there, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
and it would have come onto the secondary market when she bought it. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
-Right. -Do you know what it's made of? | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
No idea, and this is one of the reasons we came today. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
OK, what it looks like is jade. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
Right, OK. Now, Mum used to call it The Jade... | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
-Right. -..but I felt it was too soft for that. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
-And it is in fact soapstone, not jade. -Yeah. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
The colour of the stone can vary enormously, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
-and this one is very jade-like. -Mm. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
I've never seen a better soapstone mountain. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
-Really? -No, no. -Oh, it's lovely to hear. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
It's a fantastic object. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
It could do with a bit of cleaning. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
-Fair enough. Yes, it does... -Who's in charge of that? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
Erm, me! | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
DAVID LAUGHS | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
-I think it's a lovely thing. -Thank you. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
The Chinese, at the moment, are buying... | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
I think one would probably put £1,500-£2,000. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Fantastic, yeah, lovely. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
I mean, it's a treat to hear that. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
For me, it just gives me a massive amount of pleasure. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
And it's quite nice to hear that it was designed for contemplation, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
because I look at it and I think it's just beautiful, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
as my mum did as well. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
-Thank you very much for bringing it in. -No, thank you. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
On the back of this piece we've got a plaque that's inscribed | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
that it was given to Princess Beatrice on her wedding day in 1885, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
given by the town of West Cowes. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
When we look at the front, this is possibly the best, largest, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
loveliest silver mirror I've ever seen on the Roadshow. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Where on earth did you get it from? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
I actually purchased it from an auction | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
between five and six years ago. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
I went to buy an item of militaria | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
and saw this mirror in there and it just caught my eye | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
and I thought, "I've got to get it." | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
And actually, in the auction sale, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
it never sold and I purchased it after the auction. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
-It didn't sell? -It didn't sell, no. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
-What did you pay for it? -I paid 3,000. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Right, OK. Well, let's look at the mirror in general. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
We've got the Royal Arms at the top. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
We've got the English Royal Crown here, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
we've got the Crown here for Henry Battenberg, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
who was her husband when they got married in 1885. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
She was 28 years old when she got married. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
And for years she had a number of suitors, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
but Queen Victoria refused to let her get married. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Eventually she relented and allowed | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
Battenberg to marry her daughter, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
and Beatrice was her youngest daughter, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
on one condition - | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
that they stayed with Queen Victoria | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
for the rest of Victoria's life. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
So, if we look at the hallmarks at the bottom, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
it's got a date letter for 1885. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
That's the very unusual makers of | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Judah Rosenthal and Samuel Jacob. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
Now, I don't think I've had a piece by those makers ever before. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:09 | |
So I'm sure this, well, it had to be a special commission. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
And going back to certainly the 17th century, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
it was tradition for the bride to be given a dressing table service | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
on her wedding day. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
And part of that dressing table service would have been a mirror. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
-Right. -So this would have stood on Beatrice's dressing table, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
but the thing that I love about this is, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
can you imagine the faces that have looked into this? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
-Yes. -Queen Victoria herself probably looked in this very mirror. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
And can you imagine all the lovely silk and satin gowns | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
-that faced this mirror? -Beautiful. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
I mean, it conjures up wonderful imagery. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
But we need to now go back to what you paid for it. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
I'm confident this now... | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
..if it came up at auction, would make £8,000-£10,000. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Wow. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
Crikey! I never expected that. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Should I call them boring or not? | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
Really, they're just graduation photographs, aren't they? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-They are graduation photos. -And, you know... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
Actually, you've got an American twang, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
so did you bring these from the States with you? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
No, no. I bought them at a car-boot sale, of all places, in Cheltenham. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
And what drew you to them? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
Well, I saw these two old photos just sitting there. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
-Yes. -I thought about it for a minute, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
so I took a closer look and they were signed by Dorothy Alexander. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
They are indeed signed by Dorothy Alexander, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
and I suspect that obviously meant something to you, didn't it? | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
Absolutely, because I studied her in high school in my art class, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
-as a matter of fact. -That is amazing, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
because she is in fact an incredibly famous photographer, isn't she? | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
-Yes, she is. -And so what you have here, essentially, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
are two very early examples of her portraiture. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
And, I mean, to be honest with you, she's often referred to | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
as the doyen of the British photography scene. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
I mean, she's quite old now, but she was a very, very interesting lady. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Her surname is Bohm, and I believe she was born in Prussia, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
and she was Jewish, basically, and she escaped from Prussia | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
and came over to the UK and became a post-war photographer, didn't she? | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
-So, how much did you pay for them? -Honestly? -Yeah. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
£1 apiece. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
-The frames are worth more than that, aren't they?! -Probably so. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Now, listen, I don't think they're worth absolute fortunes, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
but I think historically they're interesting, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
because they show kind of a very early evolution of a very, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
very good photographer. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:43 | |
I think they're probably worth maybe £100 for the pair of them, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
but I think there's a lot of history in these and I think you did | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
extremely well to spot them, well done. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-All right, then, thank you. -No, my pleasure. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
I got it from a charity shop. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
There were four of them that the man was putting up. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
-A charity shop? -Yeah. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
And I was working out how much I could afford to pay, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
cos I thought they were going to be more than I could afford to pay. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
-And? -And so I said, "How much are they?" | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
and the woman said, "20 quid?" | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
Now, when I see pictures by this artist, Henry Rushbury, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
they're usually signed etchings. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
-Oh. -And here we've got an original watercolour. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
Well, I'm going to tell you that, because of the occasion, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
and it's the Coronation, and these are the original drawings, well, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
the original watercolours, they're historical, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
and I think they're worth £4,000-£6,000. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
Each or together? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
-No, together. -Together. -Don't be greedy! | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
We're looking at a fabulous William Morris textile, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
a pair of textile hangings. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
And I think I'm right in saying, Philippa, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
that William Morris had a relationship with Tewkesbury Abbey. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
Now, you are the Executive Officer of Tewkesbury Abbey, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
so if anybody knows you should know, so please tell me. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
William Morris didn't like the plans that were put forward | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
by Gilbert Scott for the restoration of the abbey. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
We think it's therefore unlikely that he actually was commissioned | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
to make these or gave these to the abbey, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
but they've been here for quite a long time. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
We have a photograph that shows them in situ | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
some time between 1893 and 1899. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Now, saying that, this presumably is that image. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
-Yes, that's it. -So it's behind the high altar. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
Behind the high altar. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
And these are the hangings either side of the crucifix, correct? | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
Yes, that's correct. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
So, let's talk a little bit about this design. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
I mean, the bird pattern started in 1877. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
He liked it so much, William Morris, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
that he actually used it to decorate his country house, Kelmscott Manor. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
One has to think that in that period in 1877, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
he was running Morris & Co, which was a commercial interior designers. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
So this was one of his popular designs. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
He took a lot of time perfecting indigo, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
and there are wonderful reports of him walking around the works | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
with his arms died indigo from the top of his arm all the way down | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
to the tips of his fingers, trying to get the exact, correct colour. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
Now, the passion for Morris designs goes on unabated. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
I mean, the company itself, Morris & Company, survived him - | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
they went on until the 1940s. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
And I think you're absolutely right - | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
bearing in mind there was no love lost between Tewkesbury Abbey | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
and Morris, he would neither have donated these, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
nor would they have gone out of their way to buy them, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
so it must have been a benefactor... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
-I think so, yes, yes. -..at some point. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
With this type of textile in this type of condition | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
and this size, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
I would have no hesitation in putting an auction value of between | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
£10,000-£15,000 on the pair. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
Wow. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
Thank you! That's great. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
Everybody will be very pleased to hear that. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
We've got a sketch here that looks really very interesting, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
and I can see these two chaps | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
listening very intensely to the wireless. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
They're from the RAF, because they've got little badges | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
-on their shoulders. -Yeah. -More than that I can't say, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
other than the fact that there's some rather unpleasant blue pencil | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
has been... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
And we've got written on there, "Not passed, adjutant general." | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
-Yes. -Tell us about it. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
Well, I got this from my uncle who passed away a number of years ago. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
He was a radio operator in the war. Wanted to be a pilot, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
his eyesight wasn't good enough, so he became a radio operator. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
He never said a great deal about what he did, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
he said during the war he did an awful lot of listening | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
all over Europe. When I was clearing out, I found this sketch. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
There's an inscription on the back - it was done by a guy called Grimes, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
who worked for the London Evening Star, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and he was sent over to France to document | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
what the listeners were listening in at in the '40s, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
under the instruction that he shouldn't take any photographs | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
or do any sketches. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Obviously he did a sketch, and as you can see by the front of it, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
there's a big blue cross on there, "Not passed", so it was confiscated. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
Now, how my uncle got hold of it, I don't know. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
I'm somewhat puzzled as to why a sketch of two chaps sitting, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:55 | |
listening carefully at their radios... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
There's a civvy one there as well, probably for a bit of light music. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
-They properly had the Light Programme on. -Yes, probably. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
If a German intelligence officer saw that, you'd think, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
"Well, there are two RAF chaps listening to the radio, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
"more than that I can't say," so I wonder why they were so secretive. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
I don't know. I mean, back in... | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
I think early... 1940 this was done, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
in Metz in France. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
It says with the transcript I got they actually hid these guys | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
in fake hay bunkers, lofts. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
-Oh, yes. -All over the place, like. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
-What do you think it's worth? -I really have no idea, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
because I've never seen anything like it. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
I think because it's so, so evocative, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
and obviously unique and has that sort of back story with it | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
that builds up the human bits of it | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
and shows the importance of counterintelligence | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
and gathering information, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
I think if that was in an auction catalogue, you'd be paying... | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
..at least £250 for it, and probably more, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
if you've got two or three people who wanted to fight you over it. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
-Yeah. -It's a good thing. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
I think it's just great that you've saved it. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Very happy. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
Well, on a day like today, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
there's nothing better than an absolute injection of colour | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
with one of my favourite factories, Poole Pottery. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
But also, not only do we have these fantastic pots, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
to my left we've got a wonderful painting featuring one of these | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
very same pots. So, what's the connection here? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
-My mother worked for Poole Pottery as a paintress. -Oh! | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
She painted from 1926 to 1936. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
She had been to art school and at the age of 14 she left art school | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
and took her first job, which was at Poole Pottery. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
What we have here are three of her pots | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
and one painted by a colleague of hers. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
So, what was your mum's artist's name | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-when she was a painter at Poole? -Doris Marshall. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
Doris Marshall, I know it, yes, of course! | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
But here we've got a painting signed D Atkins, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
-but this is your mum's work, then? -Yes, that is my mother's work, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
and Doris Atkins was her married name. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
My earliest days I can remember the picture, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
and I can remember the pot here, and this one, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
which is probably the best of the very many pieces I have of hers. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Within the family we have a significant number of other pieces. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
My daughter and my son and my brother all have pieces. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
Well, the nice thing about Poole is the fact that | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
they are all very easily identifiable. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
If we look to the base of this, you've now answered for me | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
and I know that that is your mum's paintress cipher, then. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
That's her little moniker on the bottom of every piece. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
And actually, this one has, of course, a different series of marks. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
You mentioned painted by a colleague, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
well, that mark is by a lady called Norah Preston... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-OK. -..who worked for the factory from 1934-1941, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
so there's a very brief overlap. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-There was. -This piece will have been made, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
and I can tell from the mark that's impressed here, this piece, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
because of the combination of marks, paintress pattern, is a 1934 piece. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
It may have been something your mum loved, wanted to buy herself, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
was given as a gift, maybe a late leaving present. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
-Could've been. -But she loved enough to feature it in a painting, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
and obviously a career in art and decorating and painting | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
that ran on long after she laid down her painting brushes | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
at the ceramics firm. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
So, we must look at values, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
and can I really put a value on your mum's work? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
Well, please, please try. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
These are very much sort of nice entry-level pieces, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
and today the market will pay you per piece | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
between £80 and £120, £150 for these. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
This piece is a bit more of a show stopper. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
It's a bigger piece, it's a slightly more piece that | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
a shop would have had as a centre display, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
to show off the work that the factory were producing. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
It's a great pattern, good artist, good date, good period. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
It's got all those nice box-tickers that you want. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
And as such, a vase at this size is going to be more in the region, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
for me, of £400, maybe £500. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
But the painting, I just love that. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
This, for me, steps away into a different market. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
I think if you put that up for auction, a good, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
dedicated Poole collector will probably give you in the region of | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
maybe £500, even £800 for that painting. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
But the exciting thing is, by meeting you, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
I am just one step away from a lady who painted the work I love. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
-Good. -Thank You. Thank you. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:31 | |
This is a very distinctive image for me, and it can only be by one man, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
Andy Warhol, and it's Chairman Mao. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Andy Warhol of course being the major pop artist in the '60s | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
in New York, and, you know, he was the top of his tree. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:54 | |
I see on it it's 1974, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
it's got Andy Warhol and Mao | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
on the right-hand side. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
But at the bottom I see it's signed and inscribed | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
by Andy Warhol to Caroline. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
-Who's Caroline? -That's me. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
-That's you? -That's me. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
So tell me about it. How did you get this? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
My sister was au pairing in New York for a family from about '77-'79, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:18 | |
and the name of that woman was Amy Sullivan. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
She was the cousin to Stan Lee, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
and I think her dad also was involved somewhere | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
amongst the Marvel Comics empire. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
-OK. -And hence they all hung out, really, they were friends, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
and Amy and her friends would go down to The Factory | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
and hang out with Andy Warhol. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
When my sister was coming up to leaving and returning to England | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
they said, "We're going to see Andy tonight, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
"shall we bring you something back?" | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
And this was one that was signed to me. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
There was another one signed to my other sister, Annabel, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
and my sister Sue has one, which is the blue and yellow cow. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
She did meet him once at one of his exhibitions in New York, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
which was an exhibition about fruit, and she had a signed apple from him, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
which has since obviously disappeared and gone its own way. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
What?! | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
Well, I think this is all pretty cool. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
I think it's fantastic. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
But it is in a bit of a state. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
-Oh, yes. -I mean, we've got roll marks here. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
Where has this been? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
It's been on a wall, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
and then it spent about five or six years in a garage, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
where it was thrown amongst some other stuff | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
that my sister didn't want. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
Then when she realised it said "to Caroline" | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
and she'd have to give it back to me, I got it back, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
and since then it's been knocking around on the top of a wardrobe, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
or down the side of a wardrobe and it's never really, as you can tell, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
-been very loved. -I think it's fantastic. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
I mean, when you think about The Factory, Nico, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Velvet Underground, that whole scene... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
And I think it's amazing to have got this back from that period. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
And as a present for you, it's wonderful. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Taking a walk on the wild side, as Lou Reed sang, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
I can take a guess that it's worth £3,000 to £5,000. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
Blimey. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
# Said, hey, babe take a walk on the wild side | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
# And the coloured girls go | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
# Doo, doo-doo, doo-doo Doo, doo-doo | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
# Doo, doo-doo, doo-doo Doo, doo-doo | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
# Doo, doo-doo, doo-doo Doo, doo-doo | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
# Doo, doo-doo, doo-doo Doo, doo-doo | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
# Doo... # | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
You've brought along an absolutely cracking Arts and Crafts bowl. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
Very good weight, lovely condition. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
I suspect you might have an idea who made it. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
It was made by Omar Ramsden. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
-Quite right. -And it was given to my grandfather, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
who was an accountant in the city and joined... | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
and volunteered to join the Artists Rifles. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
So your grandfather was Captain RF Turnbull... | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
-Yes. -..that's inscribed in the centre here? | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
-Yes, yes. -OK, let's turn it over and we can have a look at the marks. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
We can see that it was made... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
..by Ramsden and his original partner, Alwyn Carr. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
They were at the Sheffield School Of Art together in the 1890s | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
and then came to London and set up business. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
This is actually dated for 1916, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
and it says "Omar Ramsden et Alwyn Carr me fecerunt" - | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
Omar Ramsden and Alwyn Carr made me. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
Typically with Ramsden, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
instead of making it on four feet or even three feet, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
he's made it on seven feet. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Odd number - normally a bowl would be octagonal - | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
but Ramsden liked to do things differently. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
The interesting thing about this bowl, however, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
is the badge in the middle. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
And you referred to the Artists Rifles. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
The Artists Rifles were founded in 1859 | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
because of the threat of invasion by Napoleon III. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
A young chap called Edward Sterling, he was an art student, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
went round all his artist friends and said, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
"Come on, let's form a volunteer company," | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
and it took off and became really popular. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
And during the First World War they had a very distinguished record. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:07 | |
Now, the most interesting thing about this is that Alwyn Carr, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:13 | |
one of the makers with Ramsden, signed up for the Artists Rifles. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
So he would have been possibly in the same regimen as your great... | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
-As my grandfather. -As your grandfather. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
So here we have a piece... | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
Very rarely do you get a connection | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
between the maker and the recipient like that. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
And especially, you know, they were both lucky enough | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
to survive the First World War. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
So, lovely piece of silver. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
Inscriptions generally don't do... | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
..the commercial world of silver any favours. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
You're not going to sell this, I'm sure, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
because this is a priceless family piece, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
but if something like this came up on the market, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
I think it would make easily between £2,000 and £3,000. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
Well, I mean, it's lovely. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
And the quality of the engraving, you know, it's so deep and... | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
-It's wonderful. -It's lovely. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
-Thank you. Thank you so much. -Thank you very much. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
I saw the boys bringing this in, big, hefty lads. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
This is a piece of furniture which carries some weight. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
So, where do you keep this? | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
So, this is kept in the entrance hall to a local hotel pub. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
It's been there forever and a day, we think. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
The building itself is an amalgamation of historic buildings, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
some dating back to 1380, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
and we've got Tudor parts as well, Georgian parts. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
We don't really know what part it came with | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
or if it actually is from there originally, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
or anything about it, really. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
So, how do you use it in the pub, then? | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
So, this is in the main entrance. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
We've usually got menus, condiments stored on the bottom, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
table talkers in the drawers, so it's still very much used. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
It's just there for everyone to enjoy, really. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
-And how do you clean it? -We don't really know how to look after it, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
and that's something we were hoping you could probably tell us. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Is that a very polite way of saying you've never cleaned it? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
Yeah. It gets dusted, but other than that, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
yeah, not much goes on with the table. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
What I suggest, if you look at your end there, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
-you've got this wonderful what I call toffee colour. -Yeah. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
That can be enhanced by literally using some wool... | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
-Yeah. -..and just, you buff it up. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
And the lanolin in the wool | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
will literally make this whole table sing. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
When you stand back and you look at it as a whole | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
you see these baluster carved legs, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
and we see those on what we call a court cupboard... | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
..or a short cupboard. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
So we've got these wonderful Tudor legs. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
Then we look at these three long drawers, beautifully carved, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
all the original carving. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
And they say something to me as well, | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
that, you know, this is a really good thing. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
The wood. Any idea, what do you think the wood may be? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
-I've no idea. -Cos it looks really heavy. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
It's very, very heavy. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
I've got no idea. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Is it oak? Is it, no? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
-It's actually better than oak. -Is it? -Yeah. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
It's walnut. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
-Walnut, oh! There we go. -Walnut. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
I personally think this would have been adorned with silver | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
and all your foodstuffs. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
And so this is like a very important, like, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
-serving table. -Right, yeah. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
When it comes to the date, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
this is a Tudor-period piece of furniture, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
-so it is very, very old. -Yeah. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
And being made of walnut, it makes it even more exciting. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
I may have had an e-mail from a general manager today saying | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
under no circumstances am I to sell the table, so... | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
Yes, yeah, we thought it may be quite valuable. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
-I can see this in a very modern environment. -Yes. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
And it could look so sharp, so sharp. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
Well, I think this is a great piece of English furniture. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
I love the condition. I would leave it alone. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
I'd quite happily, seeing this piece of furniture... | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Well, I'd put a value on it between £15,000 and £20,000. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
-Wow. There we go! -It is serious. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
-That's serious, isn't it? -It is so rare. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
Going to lock it to the wall now so it doesn't go anywhere! | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
It's brilliant, it's lovely. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
So, here we are in the back of your dad's milk van. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
-That's right. -Tell me about it. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Well, he started the dairy in 1938 with a little Morris Eight van | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
delivering 30 gallons a day of milk round the Tewkesbury area, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
and most of it was delivered with a ladle from a churn | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
into the customer's jug. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
You'd see them twice a day, knock on the door... | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
And they would come out with a jug to be filled by your dad. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
That's right, yes, yeah. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:49 | |
And it's been put to more unusual use, this van, | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
-hasn't it? -It has, yes. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
In late 1939 he was delivering milk to one of his customers, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
a Mrs Belcher, and there was great excitement - | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
her daughter, Doreen, was getting married that day at the abbey. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
And it was pouring with rain. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
So he jokingly said, "Would you like me to take you to the abbey?" | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
Was she going to walk, otherwise? | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
She was going to walk, yes, of course, and get wet. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
And so he quickly finished the milk round, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
polished the van, went to pick her up, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
and she sat in the front of the van and he took her to the abbey. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
And because it was so wet he drove all the way down the abbey drive, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
straight into the abbey porch, which is quite large, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
and then he accompanied her to meet the bridegroom in the abbey. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
-He took her down the aisle? -He took her down the aisle as well. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
Whoa! Was he still in his milkman's uniform? | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
No, I assume he dressed up! | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
And then afterwards, of course, he put the bride on the front seat | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
and the bridegroom sat in the back on a milk crate | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
to go to the reception. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:47 | |
Oh, brilliant! | 0:34:47 | 0:34:48 | |
And then he got invited to the reception as well. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Well, he had a starring role! I should hope so, too. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
But he was a lovely man, my dad. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
I've had a brilliant day here today, I've seen some lovely things, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
and just when you think it can't get any better, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
you bring along this collection. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:07 | |
Now, tell me about it. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
When my husband retired he wanted an interest, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
and he brought a lot of Maundy money and then built up the set. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
OK, and Maundy money... | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
..is one of the things I collect, along with other coins, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
and it's actually one of the things which I love. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Do you know much about the history of Maundy money? | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
I do know that it was given by the monarch to poor people | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
-on Maundy Thursday. -Exactly. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Not to waffle on too much about the history, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
but it basically started when Jesus was preaching to the disciples | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
and he was washing their feet. It was all about giving, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
and giving of oneself to another. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
And that's where the term Maundy comes from, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
it's basically showing love to someone else. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
It's derived from that. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
I think, basically, in the Middle Ages it was | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
still up to washing people's feet and at some point someone thought, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
"No, I've had enough of washing stinky people's feet. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
"I'm going to change it." And that was the monarch, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
and it was around Charles II period | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
when they changed that into giving of coins. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
The cases are in pretty good condition. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
This doesn't help - when you have a little bit of sticky tape | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
put on there, it's really not good. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
There's a family story behind that. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
My daughter, who was five when he died and is now coming up to 17, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
she used to go into his office, rip bits of tape off | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
and stick them all over his office so he would know where she'd been. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
And we found that and we thought, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
"Well, we can't really take that off | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
"because she put it on there for him to find." | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
So you've never tried to remove it? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-Nope! -I was going to tell you off, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
because it looks like someone's tried to stick it down. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
But now, never move that. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
No, no, it's staying! | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
That's all right. It's forgiven. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
Now, what made him go for Maundy money? | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
We're not really sure, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
but he developed it and it became a real passion of his. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
He started with the one set, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
and started collecting a second set and was... | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
Over how many years? | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
Over about seven or eight years. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
That's quite quick to build up a collection like this. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Have you been through...? | 0:37:13 | 0:37:14 | |
Because basically they start in, well, 1676. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
I mean, you've got a couple that are earlier, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
but they're in the 17th century and that's really at the height | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
of when they sort of started. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
And you go through to the last date of...? | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
We continued collect... He died in 2005 | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
and we continued collecting for a couple of years after that. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
OK, so we've got varying grades and we have got... | 0:37:34 | 0:37:41 | |
I sort of counted out 63 odd coins in that tray. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Some had three or four coins, but there's a lot in there. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
And, well, it's really all I can say. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
It's just, I've never seen a collection | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
-of Maundy money like it. -Wow. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
These could be worth sort of £30 to £40 to £50 each. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
Which isn't a lot, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
but when you think that you've got over 2,000 of them... | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
..in these two cabinets, that comes out at between | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
£60,000-£80,000. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
AUDIENCE EXCLAIM | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
-Gosh! -Yes, thank you very much. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
-That's really great, thank you. -That's really interesting. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
Well, these are a really beautiful pair of English art pottery vases, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
their glaze just glinting in the sunlight here. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
Do you know anything about them? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
Well, I know they're | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
made by Doulton and that's about as much as I know, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
about the turn of the century, and they're as large as I've ever seen. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Yes, the size is certainly amazing, isn't it? They're incredibly big. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Yes, they're Doulton and we know that because on the bottom | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
there's the impressed Doulton mark. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
And they were made in Lambeth and they were made about 1900. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
-I agree with all that. -Right. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
But what's really lovely is the decoration, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
-which is what we call impasto decoration. -Mm-hmm. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
And it's decoration using raised slips to build up | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
a kind of leaf design which here | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
is incredibly detailed and beautiful. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
I've got so much admiration for that work, I want to know who did it. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
And unusually, pointing at the bottom of the vase there, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
-is a monogram. -That's it, yes. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
I have looked it up in the book... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
You've looked it up? Oh, thank goodness! | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
Yes, and it says that it's by an artist called Frances Linnell. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
-Frances Linnell. -I don't know anything about her, but... | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
Well, she was very talented, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
and the results of her work were absolutely stunning. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
So, can you tell me how you got them? | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Yes. About four or five years ago I spotted them | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
in an online auction catalogue in the general antiques sale | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
and I put in a bid, or left a bid with them, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
and I was very surprised when I got them. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
I rang up, actually, to have them delivered and to pay for them, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
and I was shocked when the price to send them to me | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
was more than I'd actually paid for them. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
And I nearly put them back in the sale and said, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
"Well, it's too expensive to have them, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
"put them back through the next sale," | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
but luckily a work colleague happened to be in the area | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
and she very kindly collected them for me, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
and so I got them. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
But when they arrived they were a good deal more than twice the size | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
that I had expected, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
because I'd actually not looked at the picture very closely | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
and not read the description very well, either. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
And I'd read it as being 18cm and, as you can see, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
-they're more like 18 inches. -No! Extraordinary. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:38 | |
So you haven't told me, I'm itching to know - | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
how much did they cost? | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
From memory, I think I paid about £100 or £110 | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
-plus the auction house's costs. -Right. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
And you were quibbling about the cost | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
of having them shipped to you, as well. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
Because that was going to be over another £100, yes. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Oh, so they were going to cost you 250 quid. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
That's it, yes, and I very nearly... | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
Well, I think you're extremely mean, because you were quibbling 250 quid | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
over a pair of vases worth £1,000. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
Heavens! | 0:41:11 | 0:41:12 | |
That's amazing. Great! | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Diamonds and pearls, fabulous combination, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
beautifully-executed pendant. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
How have you come to get hold of it? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
I saw it in a jeweller's a few years ago | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
and it had been in the jeweller's for a good couple of years | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
and nobody bought it, and I'd fallen in love with it | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
the first time I saw it. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
And eventually I plucked up the courage and went and bought it. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
Good for you. So it was obviously meant to be. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
-Date-wise, it dates from the 1860s. -Right. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
And we've got natural pearl in the centre surrounded by | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
diamonds in the mount, which, of course, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
has got this fabulously intricate star incorporated into the design, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
which is a very typical image of the Victorian period | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
around the 1860s. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Because of the way that it's put together we can be sure that it was | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
by a very good maker, although of course it isn't signed | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
or hallmarked as Victorian jewellery didn't have to be during that time. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
What's also fascinating about it, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
it's not just a pendant with the hoop that we've got here, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
but if we turn it over, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
we have a brooch pin which probably would have been fitted later. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
And then this disguises two other fittings underneath, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
which would have been for a bracelet fitting. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
Oh, I did wonder whether it was part of something else. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
Yes. And the bracelet, believe it or not, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
would have been made of human hair, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
more than likely. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:37 | |
Right. I'm glad I didn't have the bracelet! | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Well, yes, I'd kind of agree. I think human hair is very personal. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
It's about the memory of somebody that you might have lost and loved. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
And the ability to be able to combine the two | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
in the Victorian period was really important. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
So, having fallen in love with it, do you wear it? | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
If I can, I do. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
But it's not something you can wear every day. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
-Well, I don't know about that! -I wouldn't wear it to work. -No! | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
Oh, but it is extraordinary, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
and I think it's absolutely adorable. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
Should you ever decide to part with it | 0:43:11 | 0:43:12 | |
because something else comes along | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
that you've fallen in love with equally, I think auction, obviously, | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
is always a good way forward and an auction estimate on | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
a brooch like this would be between £5,000 and £7,000. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
AUDIENCE GASPS | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Gosh! | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
I didn't realise it was that... | 0:43:28 | 0:43:29 | |
Right, thank you very much. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:32 | |
Well, I'm happy that you're happy. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
-Thank you. -That's the main thing. -That's lovely. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
-Pleasure. Thank you for bringing it in. -Thank you. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
We have oil paintings on the Roadshow, we have watercolours, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
but it's lovely to have an in-between medium, pastel. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
Where does she come from? | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
Well, I found her in an antique dealer's paint shop, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:58 | |
basically, and I had just begun working with some pastels and I had | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
a book on the French pastellers. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
In it, there was a picture of her... | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
..almost identical and I thought, "Oh, a lady," but with a monkey, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
holding a monkey in her arms. It's in the Louvre. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
So, this sort of excited me, and I looked up Rosalba Carriera, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
who possibly was the artist, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
and realised that she was in Paris in 1721 | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
and that she had brought pastels, really, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
to introduce to the French artists of the time. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
And how much did you pay for her? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
About £1,000, I think. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
-Yes. -So, the question is... | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
..is it by Rosalba Carriera, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
the famous pastellist and portrait painter, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
as you hope, but have yet to prove? | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
-Indeed. -And wouldn't it be wonderful if we could? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
Because Rosalba is the most exciting of painters, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
or we should perhaps say pastellists, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
because she's in the vanguard of female art | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
in the late 17th and early 18th century. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
Born to a lowly family in Venice, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
she started with miniatures and then made her way upwards | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
towards doing pastels, went to France. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
She was patronised by all the aristocracy - | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
even Louis XV himself. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
I mean, she was a woman who turned heads, and so did her portraits. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
I have to say, I do love the way that her eyes, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
lips and nose are done. There's a real sensitivity to them. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
And it's also worth bearing in mind that | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
if we're going to try and work out whether this is by Rosalba, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
we have to factor in the condition, and pastel is one of those things | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
-that is enormously fragile. -Sure, sure. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
If you touch the surface, you end up with it on your finger. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
-I would say this was slightly faded and I would say that... -Oh, it is. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
Look at the blue round the shoulders. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
I mean, that has undoubtedly faded. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Well, you've asked for an opinion | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
and I'm going to give you an opinion. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
So I do think, on reflection, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
you DID buy a work by Rosalba Carriera. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
Thank you. That is good to know. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
And, as to value, well... | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
You know, it's a... | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
It's good-looking portrait, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
and pretty images, when you can | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
combine them with a good name, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
are the sort of things that people want. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
And despite the slight misgivings I've got about certain aspects | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
of its condition, I would say this is worth £10,000-£15,000. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
Really? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
Well, that confirms, I think, my hope that it was by Rosalba. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
-Thank you. -For it is her. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
Indeed. Thank you very much. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:35 | |
What I noticed, that whoever made this chair, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
you look at it and it's, to me, so Heath Robinson. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
It's just been kind of cobbled together, putting the sides on, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
we can see these lovely big clout nails, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
then putting the top on, what we call the hood. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
But I'm sure you must have noticed this... | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
..the chair maker. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:58 | |
Well, we noticed it's inscribed on both sides. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
-WC! -WC, yeah. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:04 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
Of all the initials in the world on a commode, we've got WC! | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
But I think someone's put that there. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
No, the calligraphy on that is what you'd expect | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
on late 18th century. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
It's the way it's been executed. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
So, tell me your story about it. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
Well, my story is that, when we bought my grandparents' house, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:31 | |
the commode was in the house and it had to be part of the house, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
and my auntie said it had to stay within the house. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
And... So obviously we bought it. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
But I, as a young child, grew up seeing the commode in the corner | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
in the sitting room and obviously appreciated it | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
as a part of the house. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
It's made of oak and elm. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
I just love the colour that, as it's been near a fire, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
it's got all the soot and everything from the fire. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
So you've got this really, really dark dirt, | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
for want of a better word, and where people have been touching it, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
it's what we call bleeding, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
so you can see the natural colour of the wood itself. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
And this, this is obviously to help get the little potty out. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
That's right. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
I would date this around... | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
..1800s, 1790s, 1800. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
But it looks much, much older. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
I could quite easily see somebody getting very, very excited | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
if this ever did come on the market. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
I could see a collector being happy to pay | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
at least £1,500, possibly £2,000 for this. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
It's different. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:40 | |
Thank you for bringing it along. That is a pleasure to see. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
And, yeah, if you see another one, let us know. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
Well, we've moved out of the sun, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
under the boughs of this magnificent tree | 0:48:53 | 0:48:54 | |
into the grounds of the abbey. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
And you brought me along this... | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
what I have to say is probably one of the dirtiest toys | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
that has ever been brought into the Roadshow! | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
Where has it been living for the last 150 years? | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
Well, for the last 60 years, it's been living on top of | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
a bookcase where it was placed by my father | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
after he finished playing with it. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:15 | |
So it's not been played with for 60 years? | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
No, it's not been touched for 60 years until this morning, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
when I decided to take it down and bring it to this Roadshow because, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
when I was about 12, my best friend at the time said, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
"If ever the Antiques Roadshow comes to this area, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
"you should take it in and let them have a look at it." | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
-So that was when you were 12. -Yes. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
And you're a bit more than 12 now, so that was some time ago. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
-It was, yes. -And you've kept it aside, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:37 | |
-and still haven't brought it until today. -Correct. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
It was treated with reverence, so we weren't allowed near it. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
Neither were my nephews, nieces, or the grandchildren in the family, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
so it's sort of been up there. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
Well, I'll let you off, because actually, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
had you kept pristine and got it down from the top of the cupboard, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
-you would've played with it and you would have broken it! -Mm. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
Agreed! | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
That's what's nice about it. And in fact, the dirt has preserved it. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
It will clean up, and I think from a collector's point of view, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
that's really important. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:07 | |
So, any other family history at all about it? Or, you know... | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
Well, I believe it's German, but I'm not sure. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
I understand it was probably my great-grandfather's, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
or my great-great-grandfather's, but once again I can't be sure. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
-Yeah. -It was passed down from generation to generation | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
and the last generation to play with it was my father who, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
obviously, then stored it. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
And the family have always lived in the same house? | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
We have. We're farmers by trade | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
and we've been in the same house since 1864. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
Fantastic. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
Well, great provenance, great history, great original condition. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
So, I can confirm it is German. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
Well, the bisque head is certainly German, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
and I assume the costume is too. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
And you'd wind it up and it would go along, | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
and the little legs would go up and down. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
He's got a little bit of lace coming down the front | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
and he's got metal hands and wooden feet. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
The mechanism and the tricycle part of it I think is made in France. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
So it's a combination between France and Germany | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
to produce what is, I think, a wonderful toy. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
And the date is sort of 1890, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
so I think it's probably your great-grandfather | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
-rather than your great-great grandfather... -Yeah. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
..if we just go back down the generations. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
Well, I think it is nice. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
It's eminently restorable and I think it's in the condition | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
that every collector wants to find. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
So if you decide to sell it and to put it into auction, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
I think it could easily fetch between, well, £2,000 and £3,000. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
-Oh, wow, that's amazing. -Very nice. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
So congratulations for not looking after your toys! | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
Thank you! | 0:51:35 | 0:51:36 | |
Looking at this dress, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:40 | |
I can sort of picture the scene one misty morning - | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
a woman walking through the abbey meadows. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
It's wonderful. Is it a family heirloom? | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
-No, no. -Oh. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:52 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
So, what is it? | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
Well, it was given to me by a friend in the 1960s, | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
and she just gave it to me because I'd just had a daughter | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
and I think she thought she might be interested | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
later on to dress up in it. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
And did your daughter dress up in it? | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
No, no, it's never been touched. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:10 | |
-I've never seen it out. -You've never seen it out? | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
-No. -This is the first time you've actually seen it? | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
Yes, seen it on show, yeah. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
-How do you think it looks? -Very nice. Beautiful. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
How have you kept it? In a box, or...? | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Just in a box, or in a drawer, yeah. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:22 | |
Well, let's talk about what it is. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
It is what's known as a robe a la francaise, | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
or a sack-back robe. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
People might say, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
"Oh, obviously it's incomplete. It's got an open front." | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
Well, it was an open robe, and you would wear a very beautiful... | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
We call them a petticoat, but it was an underskirt, really, under it. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
And of course you would have had wide hoops under all that... | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
That's what I thought, yeah. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
..to give you that wonderful silhouette. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Yeah. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
And if you can imagine wearing this, | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
and in the candlelight of the 1760s or the 1770s, | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
which is when it dates from, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
how that would have glistened and sparkled, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
and you would have seen shadows down the side of the dress. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
It would have been quite extraordinary. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
Yes, it would have been wonderful, I should think. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
The material that it's made from is really quite exquisite. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
Because it's painted silk. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
Oh. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:25 | |
It's not embroidered. There is embroidery on it, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
-but it's painted silk. -Oh! | 0:53:28 | 0:53:29 | |
And so, this fabulous painted silk would have been imported to Europe | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
to be made up into this dress here in England. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
The decorations on it are also rather wonderful. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
You've got at the front here these little... | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
They're little sort of dangling tassels of chenille work. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:52 | |
-Yes. -And then down each side | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
you've got raised pockets, almost, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
which have got a little piece of wool inside. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
-It looks almost like a piece of cotton wool. -It does, yeah. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
But it's real wool inside this panel here, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
to give it a three-dimensional view. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
-Extraordinary, isn't it? -It is, very. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
What I'd like to do, if the breeze will allow us, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
I'm just going to turn it round, if I may. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
Can you give me a hand? | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
Gently, because it is... | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
And we can see... | 0:54:28 | 0:54:29 | |
..the back here, which gives it its other name, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
which is a sack-back robe. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:36 | |
And you've got pleats running from the shoulder blades, | 0:54:36 | 0:54:41 | |
box pleats running all the way down to the bottom, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
which gives it a sort of train effect. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
-That's right, yes. -So, when you wore this, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
you were making really quite a statement, as you can imagine. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
I think so, yeah. It's beautiful. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
I'm going to turn it back now, if I may, | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
and we can enjoy the front. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
What I also like very much are these scalloped edges. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:04 | |
We've got scalloped edges, particularly on the sleeves here. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:09 | |
When one looks at a dress like this, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
one has to appreciate that this is an extraordinary survivor. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
Painted fabrics are notoriously difficult to keep, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
and the fact that it's been kept in a box for so long would perhaps | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
explain why it hasn't just fallen to pieces, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
which is what so often is the fate. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
It is an incredibly rare survivor. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
It's beautiful. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
It's a lovely design. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
And, perhaps more importantly, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
a dress like this is of huge demand internationally by collectors | 0:55:42 | 0:55:47 | |
and museums. This has a future way outside | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
here at Tewkesbury, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
and who knows where it will ultimately end up? | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
But this is for a major museum somewhere in the world. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
And what was just a present from a friend... | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
-Yes! -..is now going to be worth something around... | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
..£40,000. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:08 | |
Oh! Oh... | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
Don't tell my granddaughter that! | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Oh, dear, I can't believe that. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
What an amazing find. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
And to think the dress has just been sitting in a drawer for decades! | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
We've come to the end of our day here at Tewkesbury Abbey, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
but before we go, a visitor has brought along something | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
that's reminded us of Antiques Roadshows past. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
Do you remember in a previous series we featured a musical penknife | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
worth a staggering £60,000-£80,000? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
Well, what about this? | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
Whopper! | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
Have you ever seen a penknife quite this large? | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
It's a piece of memorabilia to advertise penknives, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
made of staghorn. Look at this. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
And Bill Harriman, our military expert, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
absolutely fell in love with it. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:02 | |
He said, just for the sheer size alone, to a collector, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
that could be worth £1,500. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
From the Antiques Roadshow, and this massive penknife, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
until next time, bye-bye. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 |