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The Humber Bridge was opened by the Queen back in 1981, | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
and it is Britain's longest suspension bridge. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
And look at the view, it dominates the landscape. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
You've got Lincolnshire over on this side. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Over here, the East Riding of Yorkshire, and just there, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
this year's City of Culture. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
And at this spot we're over 500ft up in the air, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
and I'm feeling a bit nervous. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Welcome to this week's Antiques Roadshow from Hull. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Hull was awarded City of Culture 2017. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
It's a £100 million investment | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
that will refurbish museums, galleries, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
and fund plenty of festivals. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
New venues have also been built. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Like this one, called The Dock. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
It's a Grade II-listed former dry dock dating back to 1842. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
It hasn't been used in the last 20 years, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
but now it's been converted into a 350-seat amphitheatre | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
for live events and shows. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Another notable location for this cultural extravaganza | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
is the Museum Quarter. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
To get there, you'll find the River Hull in the way, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
but this recently installed swing bridge, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
an ingenious piece of engineering like something off a Star Wars set, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
will transport you to the other side. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Hull City of Culture 2017 will celebrate its former greats. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
The pilot Amy Johnson, the poet Philip Larkin, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
and the great slave-abolitionist William Wilberforce. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
And Wilberforce's home celebrates another era, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
when Hull's furniture-makers were at the fore. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
They were craftsmen born from the shipbuilding heyday. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Their celebrated work also inhabits a fine country house nearby - | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
our venue for the day, Burton Constable Hall. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
This 16th-century house is crammed with treasures, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
and we're hoping to find many more | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
as our experts welcome visitors to today's Antiques Roadshow. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
This is a fantastic oil lamp that you've brought us in | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
to take a look at today, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
and I must say, on this show, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
we don't often get a couple of young guys like yourself | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
bringing something like this in, so what can you tell me about it? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
How did you come by it, do you collect this type of thing? | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Yeah, we have quite a few antiques | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
and we're always on the lookout for bits and pieces. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
And we were visiting a car-boot sale in Doncaster, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
and I saw this from a distance, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
but originally, where the enamelling, sort of, colouring is, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
it was painted white. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
I considered repainting it but I were curious what were underneath, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
so I slowly sort of just washed it off with soap and water. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
That must have been quite a shock when you've gone from white to this? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
-Yeah. -And what did you think of the purchase? | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
For many years, a lot of our homes, we used to... | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Everything come from car boots, you know what I mean? | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
That's how we furnished our home, and then obviously when... | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
-..This was revealed... -Yeah. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:51 | |
..you've been back to that car boot every week since, yeah? | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
It's French, it's Limoges enamel, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
and Limoges enamel have been around for a very long time, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
way back in the 12th century, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
but this one was made much, much later than that | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
and in the 19th century, probably around 1880. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
And it's of a type, I mean, it's high-style Victorian, really, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
you've got these wonderful gilt-metal mounts here, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
and then often we see these panels, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
which were sort of aristocrats or courtiers, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
probably 16th-17th century, something like that. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
And here we can see we've got Marie de Rohan. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
She was also known as the Duchess Chevreuse. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
And then, if I turn it all the way around, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
we can see on the other side, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
opposing side, we've got Louis Maugiron. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Particularly in the 19th century | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
they were looking back on earlier periods, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
you know, the 16th, 17th and indeed the 18th century, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
with a great deal of fondness, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
so decorating it with these type of aristocrats and courtiers | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
would have been very much appetite and flavour of the day. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
Would that have been hand-painted? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
Absolutely. Yeah, no, it's absolutely all hand-painted | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
on this wonderful sort of turquoise ground. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Would it have been a one-off or one of a pair, or just...? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
You know, pairs of vases, we think about that, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
but as an oil lamp often they were just, you know, single, so... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
But you will find other examples like this oil lamp. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
We were always curious with the narrow shade, flute, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
because most of them I've seen are quite bulbous | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
-and this is very narrow. -It is. Well, it would have had another... | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
You see this lovely little lip that we've got there? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
That would have actually sat, so you've got your flute there, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
and then you would have had | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
a nice little globular, or bulbous, lamp there. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
Because, of course, that would have been frosted, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
you know, so that the light wasn't so extreme. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
I mean, if you just got this clear one, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
the light would have been burst throughout the room. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
It's a great thing. I think there would be a good appetite for that | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
if it came up for auction, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
and I think it would carry a presale estimate | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
of between £1,500 and £2,500. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
-Really? -That's brilliant. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Now you can tell me what you paid at the car boot. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
Well, it were less than £10. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
-Was it really? My God. -LAUGHTER | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
So, yeah! | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Now, I gather this little bit of silver | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
is the cause of some family controversy, shall we say, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
so perhaps I can help to settle the argument. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
So, without wanting to cause, you know, romantic disharmony, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
perhaps ladies first, perhaps you'd like to tell me | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
what your view of it is? | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
Well, it's been in my family forever, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
never been out of the family, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
and we think it's a communion cup | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
-and it's probably from the 1500s. -Right. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
And so I gather your partner's also been investigating this little cup, | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
and so what would be your view? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
I think it's from the 17... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
Around 1775, from Birmingham, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
and it's sterling silver. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Do you agree with the sterling silver? | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
OK, so it's sterling silver. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
I think I agree with the sterling silver, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
so we've got consensus here, sterling silver it is. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
You're both wrong on the date. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
And on the town, unfortunately. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
-Oh! -A beaker? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
-Yes. -For drinking out of? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
-Yeah. -Whatever you like, really, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
it's just a useful domestic object, really. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:06 | |
I don't think it's got anything to do with church, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
in fact there's no reason to think it's to do with communion. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
There is a set of hallmarks on the bottom, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
which you presumably looked up to get the Birmingham one. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
They are complicated, hallmarks, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
and I can understand exactly why you drew that conclusion. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
This little beaker was made in London, in fact, in 1653. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
HE WHISTLES | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
Not quite as old as the 1500s, but pretty old nonetheless. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
-Yeah. -1500s is very, very rare for silver. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
1653 is rare enough. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
So, if we turn it upside down, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
on the bottom here | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
we've got a little set of London hallmarks, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
and there's a maker's mark with D and G | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
on either side of an anchor. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Well, as you know now, the Birmingham town mark is an anchor, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
so I can quite understand why you'd thought that. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
It's made by a maker who's name now has been lost to history, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
who made various silver objects, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
including communion cups and church-related silver. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
This he made and marked in 1653, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
which is some, what, 363 years ago? | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Wow. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
Incredible, I mean, and all the damage that it's suffered, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
there are a few dents on the side of it - is it used at home? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Not really, no. It's just on display all the time, though. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
But it's out on constant display? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
-Yeah. -You never get tempted to take a little drink out of it, no? | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Sometimes, yeah! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
You can do, it won't come to any harm. You can use it, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
as long as you don't sort of throw it round the room, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
you're not going to do it any damage. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
It was absolutely made for use. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
Silver from that period's pretty rare. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
1500s is sort of virtually unheard of, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
but this is pretty rare stuff. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
It's been around forever, you don't know who bought it, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
-you don't know...? -No. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
It's quite a little cup, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
I mean it's, what, 3oz or 4oz only? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
I think you'd be very lucky to buy that for £3,000. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
Wow. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
She's shocked! | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
-Really? -Yeah, really. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Gosh. Oh, thank you, that's lovely. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Not a bit. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
Well, we've got the classical beauty of Burton Constable Hall behind us. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
You've brought me a clock of a similar classical design. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
-Handsome. -Handsome. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
But let me tell you, it's a very, very ordinary, late Victorian clock. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
So, what was it about it that made you buy it? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Well, the paintings on it. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
I love the whole school of marine painters, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
especially John Ward and Henry Redmore. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
-Yes. -It was in a... I hesitate to say antique shop - | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
it was a junk shop or second-hand shop, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
and among all the tat I saw this behind the counter | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
and I was immediately drawn to it because of the paintings on it. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Yeah, and how far back does your interest in Hull and maritime...? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
All my life, all my life. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
I bought this 24 years ago now, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
and when I looked closely I was very excited and pleased | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
to see the signature on it, EK Redmore. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
Yeah. Now, it is an artist I know, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
because my grandma lived in Hull for 40-50 years, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
and as a boy I went to the Ferens Art Gallery, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
where they have some super works by Edward King Redmore. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
-Yes. -And, of course, his father, Henry Redmore, was also an artist, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
so there's a tradition in that family | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
-and they're very celebrated in these parts. -In Hull especially, yes. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
Shall we have a look a bit closer at the...? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
-Yes, certainly. -Because it's got a full seascape. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
I mean, there's a sailing vessel, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
there's a little steam vessel in the background. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
Precisely, yes, yes. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
And, of course, it's not just the dial that's painted - | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
we have, beneath the classical sort of portico, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
two more little vignettes. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Indeed, yes, yes. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
I'll be honest, I've never seen anything by either of the Redmores | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
painted on anything except canvas. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
-Have you not? -So, it makes this, you know, a little bit spicy. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Yes, well, it's unique, I think it's the only one in the world. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
His work deteriorated a lot in his older days. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Well, yes, his later work did really deteriorate, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
and I thought he died | 0:11:01 | 0:11:02 | |
somewhere in the early days of the Second World War. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
Just before, I believe, yes. 1939, I think. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
Yeah, yeah. But, look, what a lovely piece | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
that represents one of Hull's great artists | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
and, of course, one of Hull's great characters. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
We remember him by his attention to this, you know, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
very ordinary French clock with a very ordinary movement. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
Value - not huge, but I think to a local person, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
in a local auction that's well advertised, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
it's got to be £700, £1,000 worth. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
Yes, thank you very much, yes. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
It's a tradesman's sample. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
-Yes. -It's Victorian. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
-Yes. -And made of mahogany. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
To me, the charming thing about it is it's all original. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
It's got the original little turned feet, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
the original knob handles, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
it even opens up inside. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Commercially, it's worth about £200-£300. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
Do you know anybody who wants it? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Well, it's handmade. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
It's handmade - in part because it IS handmade... | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
..it also is handmade | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
because there's a sticker here that says "handmade"! | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
It's one of the advantages of being able to read. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
-And it also says The Great British Bake Off. -Yes. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
Crumbs! | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
-Did you win this? -I did. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
-Is that right? -Series five, yes. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
And what did you cook? | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
A red windmill, the Moulin Rouge. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
-OK, have you got a bit left of it? -SHE LAUGHS | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Not now, no! | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
This is really fabulous, it's a very, very beautiful dress. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
-Thank you. -Is it something that you've worn? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
No, it's not mine, it belongs to my friend, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
but she lives in Greece so I said I'd bring it on her behalf. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
This is textbook 1920s. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
-Beautiful. -It's probably about 1925, to be exact. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
We have bugle beads, metal thread, sequins, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
beautifully arranged and in an amazing condition. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
It has a value. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
How much? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
Well, because of its condition and its wear-ability, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
a dress like this would easily be £800. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
Oh! I told her, I told her it was a really nice dress. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
Oh, how lovely. She'll be so pleased. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Who is this gentleman in a First World War uniform? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
This is my grandfather, Albert Ruffy. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
In the First World War he was shot a couple of times | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
and we've still got the bullets from the First World War. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Now, when he'd left being a soldier in the First World War, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
what did he do then? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
I'm not quite sure exactly what his trade was, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
but up until when he went into the... | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
When we entered into the Second World War, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
he was part of the Customs. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
And as the war ended, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
we started to repatriate some of the German prisoners of war. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
-Yes. -Now, I understand he was involved with that. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
He was. As the Customs were dealing with the Germans | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
going from the prisoner-of-war camps back to Germany, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
they had to go through a period | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
where all of their belongings were taken from them, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
they weren't allowed to take anything back to Germany with them, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
and everything was destroyed before they left the country, hence... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
-These two. -Yes. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Now, these are two diaries that he was given by a German as he was...? | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
Yeah, he spoke a little bit of German himself, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
and the story goes that the German, who we think was called Erich, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
there's reference to him in the books, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
but gave them to him and asked him if he would keep them safe | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
because, to him, they were valuable and he didn't want them destroyed. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Those soldiers that we see from the newsreels, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
in certain...pieces of film, are Nazis. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
They really are, | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
and they had been brought up from very small children | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
to believe in this idealistic world | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
that their Fuhrer, their leader, Adolf Hitler, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
had made for them. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:11 | |
The owner of your diary was a member of the SS, the Schutzstaffel. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
-OK. -The lightning squad. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
Those...feared troops. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
And he was very proud of the fact | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
that he was part of this unit, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
and that's not something | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
that we necessarily feel very comfortable with today, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
-all those years afterwards. -Yeah. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
And there are some images in here that people may find offensive, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
but they are definitely part of history. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
-Yeah. -The little diary that we have open, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
they have used an eagle from their coat | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
as a template. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Ah, right. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
It's commemorating, first of all, Hitler's birthday, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
and then the fact that, in 1945, he had died. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
-Yeah. -But they're saying is | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
that their honour is commanding still their loyalty, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
which is the motto of the SS. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
Mm. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
And in this one, another... | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
..eulogy, I suppose. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
It's crafted from a stamp, actually. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
That's how they've made this. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
We did wonder how that part had come about. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
They've cut it out of two stamps, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
and I think probably a piece of headed paper. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
The diaries are written in German. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
-They are, yes. -And some of it in Gothic German, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
which is very difficult to read. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
-Yes. -Have you had them translated? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
We've had the majority of this one translated, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
and part of it is quite moving | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
because they touch on comradeship | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
and the fact that they're, whatever they're in, it's together. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
And then a lot of it is more, as you've said, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
to do with the actual war itself and what's going on at the time. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
Not destroyed by your grandad, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
which I think was the order. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Yeah. I think the reason that he kept them as well | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
was because he was very interested in artistry. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
There are some fantastic drawings in here. I mean, really good drawings. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
I've had a think about what this would be on the open market, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
and it's a very difficult thing to put a price on. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
But I certainly think you'd have to be looking at | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
somewhere between £400 and £600 for the pair of diaries, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
-I think that would be somewhere in that region. -Yeah. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
-Thank you for bringing them in and showing us. -No problem. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
And thank you for having the courage, I suppose. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
I'm pleased you found them interesting. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
-Thank you so much. -OK, thank you. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Well, we couldn't come to Hull | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
without finding a piece of whaling history, obviously, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
and you have brought me probably the best piece of scrimshaw | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
that I've seen for a very, very long time. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
How did you come to have it? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
I came across it at an auction online. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
I'm interested in the history of Hull | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
and any artefacts that can help to tell the history, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
and I managed to obtain it. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
Basically, what it is, it's a vesta case, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
so it's a little match case | 0:18:03 | 0:18:04 | |
made out of a sperm-whale tooth. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
And the top, I'm pretty sure, is made of baleen, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
and then it's inset with a little piece of shagreen, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
which is sharkskin, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
which obviously, being very rough, you can strike the matches on. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
But what is really nice about this is it's actually inscribed | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
with the name of the whaling ship. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
We have the date, 1852, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
and also the gentleman himself who inscribed it, J Penn. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
It's actually quite nicely engraved, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
and we've got a lighthouse on one side | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
and then we have an almost scantily clad lady there, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
almost in Regency dress. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
Even though this was engraved in the 1850s, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
she's almost wearing a dress that could be from the 1820s, 1830s. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
And then on the other side we have a lovely little mermaid, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
and then a little vase of flowers on the other side. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
Obviously it's got the name of the whaling ship on the top of it, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
Truelove. Did you know anything about the ship at all? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Yes, I was familiar with the ship the Truelove. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
The Hull Maritime Museum have the original flag from the ship | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
and there's quite a lot of history known in the area | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
about the Truelove being | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
an ex-American ship of the Independence wars, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
and that the British liberated off the Americans, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
and then I understand it was converted to a whaler. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
It's a lovely piece. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
Of course, the thing is with scrimshaw | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
is that we do see so many fakes of them, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
but this one is absolutely correct in every way. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
I think it's a lovely thing. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
It's doubly interesting that obviously it's local history, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
also the fact it's a match-holder. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Can I ask how much you actually paid for it at auction? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
Yes, I paid around £400 for it at the auction, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
but it wasn't catalogued up very well. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
The auctioneers didn't do a very good job, I don't think, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
of cataloguing it up rightly, so... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
Well, I think that must have been your game, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
because at £400 you did extremely well. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
You know, it's a really nice example, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
it's quite a rare thing, being a vesta case. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
It's beautifully engraved, the mermaid on it, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
local history, you know, it's got everything going for it. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
If it were to come up for auction locally | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
I would have no hesitation | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
in seeing it selling for around £2,000-£2,500. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
That's very nice, very good. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
-It's a really nice piece. -Very nice. Thank you for that. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
So, we've got a lovely collection of letters by Florence Nightingale, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
the great Crimean heroine, pioneer of nursing, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
to Henry Power. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Tell me about them. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
Yes, well Henry Power was my great-grandfather. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
He was an eye surgeon. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:41 | |
He practised at St Thomas's Hospital in London. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
And he met Florence Nightingale there, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
because she set up her nursing school | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
in 1860 in St Thomas's Hospital. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
-Yes. -And he became her eye surgeon? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
-Yes. -She had trouble with her eyes? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Yes, they were fading towards her later life. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
So, we start off with a letter like this which is written in pencil, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
and it's Henry Power, here it is, it's dated 1897. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
She died quite early on in the new century. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
She says, "My dear Sir, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
"I do not know whether you are in town | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
"or likely to be in town tomorrow, Monday. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
"But if you are in town, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
"could you kindly come and see me? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
"My eyes are very bad. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
"The best time for me would be 5:30pm but, of course, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
"your time must be my time. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
"Yours faithfully, Florence Nightingale." | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
And so she writes this from, I suppose, her bed, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
or on a sofa at very best. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
-Yes. -Because this is 1897, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:40 | |
and if we look at an earlier letter that she wrote here, which is 1887, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
to "My Dear Sir," again about her eyes, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
the handwriting, which is in pen, is absolutely copperplate | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
-and very, very clear. -Yes. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
And so she had bad eyesight throughout her life, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
I suppose, and towards the end of her life | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
she had to see a lot with him. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
So, these cover really, what, the last 20 years of her life? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
-I should think so. -Really? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
She was getting on and her eyes were becoming more and more troublesome. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
But it is a wonderful collection, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
-and very nice to see her character coming through. -Yes. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Just before she set up at St Thomas', | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
she wrote her famous book - Florence Nightingale wrote | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
-Nursing: - What It Is and What It Is Not. -Yes. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Which I think is absolutely tremendous. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
"What It Is Not", and I think that was what she was very worried about, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
that it was very much a casual affair | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
and not the more formal affair and the more sterile affair | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
that we have come to know her for. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
So, you've got eight letters here. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
-Yes. -We have to value them. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Right. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
Florence Nightingale is very desirable, autographically. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
From a feminist point of view, she is very desirable. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
From a nursing point of view, again, terribly desirable. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
You would never get a Florence Nightingale letter for under £500. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
Right. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
Some of these are very good letters. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
They mention all sorts of things, but they're mostly about eyes. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Unfortunately they're not about the Crimea, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
in which case we'd be talking about thousands. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
So, you have eight letters, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
so, conservatively, we could say £4,000. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
That's good for a lot of paper, isn't it? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
Well, you've brought along a small, rectangular, satin-lidded box, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
and it's a small box, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
but it doesn't half pack a mighty punch | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
when you open up the lid, doesn't it? | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Because, inside, you have this extraordinary-looking brooch. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
Is it a butterfly or is it a moth? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
Well, in my opinion, that is a very fine moth. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
It is. Why? Because it's got those outstretched wings | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
-and the fat, bulbous body. -For sure. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Very slimline wings. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
It was made in around about the end of the 19th century, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
so sort of circa 1900, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
but what do you know about it? | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
It was a gift from my mother-in-law | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
when we got married in 1983. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
So she presented me with the very fine blue box and said, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
"This is for you." | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
It was hers before, so I was a very grateful recipient. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
-I should think you were. -Do you wear it? | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
-No. -It sits there... | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
It sits in my dressing table in a drawer. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
This poor butterfly/moth in a drawer. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
It's being kept in the dark, yes. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
-So, you don't know what it's made of? -No. I don't. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
It could be glass, marcasite, because they usually were. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
-Right. -Well, it's not glass or marcasite, it's diamonds. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
-Wow! -So, it's pave-set with diamonds, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
old Victorian-cut diamonds, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
smothering the surface of the wings. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
-Wow. -So, if I may just take it out of the box, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
see what we've got. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
The outstretched wings, I think, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
show you the size of the thing. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
When you turn it over, you notice that at the back | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
it's set in gold and silver, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
and you've noticed that the brooch pin itself | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
has got this little what I call actually a butterfly fitting | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
at the back. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
-It's a little fitting that you can unscrew the brooch pin. -Golly. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
And the reason that that would have been done, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
in around about 1900, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
was that there would usually have been | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
a double-prong fitting at the back | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
to convert it to be worn at the back of your bun. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
-Gosh! -Do you notice the little rubies? | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-Yes, the eyes. -The eyes set with ruby cabochons. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
-Right. -Nice touch. -Very good. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
-Nice touch. -Yes, absolutely. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
So, it's a very, very good example of late Victorian naturalism, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
but it's set with very good-quality diamonds. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Right. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:57 | |
Let's move on to its potential value. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
So, from your point of view, no idea? | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
No idea at all. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
Now, the issue of what it is is important, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
because if it's perceived as a moth it's one value, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
and if it's perceived as a butterfly it's another value. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
You're pulling my leg? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Why should that be? No, no, no! | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Because why? We all love butterflies but we don't like moths, do we? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
We get rid of moths in our bedroom at night-time, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
but butterflies we welcome during the daytime, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
and that impacts upon the value, too. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
-Right. -So, I'm going to give you two values. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
-OK. -Moth and butterfly. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
If it's a moth, £7,000. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
God! That's gobsmacking, isn't it? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
If someone thinks that's the most beautiful butterfly in the world... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
-Yes? -..£9,000 to £10,000. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Wow! | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
Well, to me, it was just a very pretty, pretty piece of jewellery. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
I had no idea. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
I believe your mother-in-law knew exactly what she was doing | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
when she gave it to you. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
-She wasn't stupid, I must say. -Then she was hoping that one day | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
you'd bring it along to the Antiques Roadshow | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
to show it to one of us | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
so we could tell you exactly what it was. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
But I can tell you, as someone who loves butterflies or moths | 0:27:15 | 0:27:20 | |
as much as I do, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
that's a serious piece of diamond jewellery. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
-Great! -So, well done. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:26 | |
Thanks for saying that. That's terrific. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
I shall think of my mother-in-law a lot now with great affection. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thank you, OK. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
Do you know, I can safely say this is the first time | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
I've ever filmed a saddle on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
What's more, it's interesting that it should be an American saddle. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
Now, this is a saddle that, of course, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
everyone who's watching will immediately associate with cowboys. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
-That's right. -You don't look like a Western re-enactor to me. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
So, firstly, explain how you come to own this. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Well, it's always been in the family | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
since probably the 1970s. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
My father was a jockey. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
-Right. -He was always into horses. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
We had a riding stable, and I think one day | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
he just went out to the local tack shop | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
and got one, or got it shipped in from America, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
and he just came home with it. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
It's always been in our family since then. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
It's never been used, apart from once. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
So, what was the one occasion, then, that you tried the saddle? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
Well, funnily enough, I took my pony back home | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
and we tried it out on the pony, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
cos it's been there stuck in the hallway for years | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and we decided to put it on there. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
It's the only time it's been on my pony. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:43 | |
That's really good. How old are you in that photograph? | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
-I'm only 14. -14 years old? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
-Yes. -That's wonderful. If you look at the size of the saddle, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
it's a big saddle for a small pony | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
because, of course, this is really a range saddle, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
made for a much bigger horse. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
In fact, there's a great deal of tradition | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
imbued in the history of this saddle, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
and it takes us back a long time, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
really as far as the Moors and Spain, basically, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
because this saddle is made for a very particular purpose. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
Now, there are very many different types of American saddle, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
apart from that kind of cowboy image that we have of them. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
This saddle, really, is made for one very specific purpose - comfort. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
This type of saddle is for sitting in for a long time, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
big stirrups, and primarily for dealing with cattle. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Now, it's beautifully decorated, isn't it? | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
-Yes, absolutely. -It's tooled all over, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
and often people call these saddles "show saddles" | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
because they look so spectacular. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
In fact, actually, I suspect that many people in America | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
that sit on saddles like this | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
never really utilise all the historical aspects of them. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
I suspect most people never use a lasso... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
..and never use the pommel or the horn. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
So in fact what has happened is that this feature of an American saddle | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
-has kind of just always stayed there, really. -Yes. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Now, when your father purchased this in the '60s or '70s, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
I imagine it would have cost him quite a lot of money. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
Did he ever make reference to that? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:12 | |
No, never. I don't think so. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
My mother never found out how much it did actually cost! | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
I think he just turned up one day with it. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
She was probably quite surprised. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
-Yes. -I think in that period, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
there probably weren't so many American saddles in the UK. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
Now, if you were to go and buy a saddle like this from Big Horn, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
who are still in business, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
they still make saddles... | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
This has kind of got a little bit of a vintage connection. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
It's also got an emotive connection to your father. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Yes. He passed away, didn't he? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Yes, he did, when I was ten years old. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Ten years old? A long time ago. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
So this saddle is a connection to him, isn't it? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
Certainly, if you had to go and buy a saddle like this, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
I could see it costing you £700 to £1,000 to buy. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
It really is a very beautiful thing, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
but it's beautiful to you in many ways | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
and you're obviously never going to sell it | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
and it's going to carry on standing in your hallway... | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
-Absolutely. -..as a great reminder of your father. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
-Thanks ever so much for bringing it in. -Thank you. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
It's not often on the Antiques Roadshow | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
we feature stories about a shark attack, and what's more, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
a man fighting off a shark attack. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
-But this is what happened to your uncle? -Yes. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
He was a ship's cook on trawlers. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
How long ago are we talking about? | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
This is 1934. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Your uncle, Noel Kinch, was he a local man? | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
He was from Grimsby. He'd sailed from Grimsby port. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
I believe it was 1936 when he was awarded this medal. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
-This medal here? -Yeah. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
They were fishing and the boatswain got washed overboard. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
He injured his back when going over the railings, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
and my uncle kicked off his wellies and jumped over the side. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Went into the water and, when he got to the boatswain, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
the boatswain had been attacked by a shark, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
and he'd been bitten on the arm, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
and the shark came back and attacked again | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
and my uncle got bitten in the back but he fought the shark off. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
They were in the sea for 40 minutes. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
So he fought off a shark... | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
-Yeah. -..saved his crew mate and lived to tell the tale? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
-Yes. -And he was then awarded this medal for bravery? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
-Yes. -What an extraordinary man! | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
Yes. He never told anyone. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
We never knew anything about it in the family. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
It came to light when my younger sister | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
started doing the family tree. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
This is a press report? | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
Yes. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
"Fisherman decorated." | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
"Congratulations of the Duke of Gloucester. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
"Fought shark to save shipmate." | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
This sounds like something out of a Boy's Own Annual. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Yes, it's quite a story. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
"Bond begged him to leave him as he was finished | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
"and try himself to get back to the ship." | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
But your uncle "kept hold of him | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
"and swam until the skipper manoeuvred the Northern Pride | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
"towards them." | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
So that took 40 minutes? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
-Yes. -Wow! | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
How extraordinary! | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Being a ship's cook, I don't think he liked his own food, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
he was trying to get off! | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
He just wanted to come up for some fresh air! | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
-Yeah. -How remarkable! | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
This medal has been passed down the family? | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
No, it was sold by my uncle. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
My sister, when she was doing the research on this, she found it. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
It had been auctioned, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
and she contacted the dealer who'd bought it | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
and she bought it back off him. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Why did your uncle sell it? | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
I've no idea. I don't know why. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
He probably needed money at the time, yeah. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
-Well, thank you for sharing the story. -It's all right, yeah. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
-That's one I will remember for a long time. -Yeah. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
As far as the medal goes, I think Jon Baddeley is your man, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
but clearly, in terms of his story, and his contribution, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
-you can't put a value on that, can you? -No, no, you can't. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
Here we have two guns, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
both serving a similar purpose, self-defence. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
That is the French idea | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
of a self-defence pistol. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
5mm pin-fire with all the stopping power of a wet tissue! | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
This, on the other hand, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
is the English idea of a self-defence pistol. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
Double-action. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
Six-shot, and if you don't get him with the first six, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
you can deploy a spring bayonet on him. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
How come you've got such contrasting pistols? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:44 | |
I've always had an interest in the history of firearms | 0:34:44 | 0:34:49 | |
and I bought these two some years ago. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
I had some others. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
I bought them because | 0:34:53 | 0:34:54 | |
they show the characteristics you're mentioning there. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
That is a really well-built English so-called transitional revolver. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
This one was the type of thing which a gentleman would slip in his pocket | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
in La Place Pigalle, I suppose. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
It's a cigar case, basically, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
but when the gentleman opened it to get out a cigar, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
there we have a revolver. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
So, they're both of a similar period, 1850s, 1860s. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
No maker on that one, it's just a French pistol. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
That's a local maker, Balchin, I think it is? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Edmund Balchin, yes. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:34 | |
Edmund Balchin, from Hull. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
To give you an idea of the thing, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:39 | |
he made those, but he also made harpoon guns as well. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
You can see the sort of thing. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
I'm going to make this a real stopper. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
What did you pay for the little French one? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
I think it was around about £300 | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
about 10 or 11 years ago. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
The contrast between the two... | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
I mean, that is archetypally French. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
It's so elegant, and I think you'd also find | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
some of the more interesting French ladies would be using that as well. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
-Indeed. -That, no. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
No other race in the world could make anything like that. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
It's just... Let's just have another look at it. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
The size of the ball, that's half-inch, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
that's going to ruin your day at 20 yards. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
-Yes. -It'll ruin your day six times. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
It's beautifully engraved, open-scroll, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
wonderful chequering. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
That is chequered by hand. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
It's perfect. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
It's absolutely superb. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Steel furniture, none of your fancy nonsense on this! | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
It's just a wonderful... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
And it's in glorious condition. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Now, values. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Do the French one first. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
People like little - | 0:36:51 | 0:36:52 | |
and that's elegant and little and it's in a lovely case. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
At auction... | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
£450? | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
-Perhaps five. -That's fine. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
This - I could see that making £1,000. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
It's such a nice thing. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
If I had £1,000, I'd be trying to buy it. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
I think they're just wonderful. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Well, I am going to sell it in a few weeks' time. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Oh, don't tempt me, don't tempt me! | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
I never would have expected to see | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
a beautiful Maori fish-hook here in Hull. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
I mean, how did you happen to bring that here? | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
Well, we see the Antiques Roadshow in New Zealand, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
and when we were coming to England | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
we researched the various sites that you had, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
and as this one is in Burton Constable at Holderness - | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
our surname is Holderness, we had to come. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
Well, there are fish-hooks and there are fish-hooks. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
You know this is a fish-hook, don't you? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
-Yes, I do. -And you know where it's from, don't you? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
It's from New Zealand. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Yes, it's a Maori fish-hook, called a pa kahawai. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:03 | |
-Is that right? -Yes, pa kahawai. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
That's right, yeah. And it's a type of matau, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
which is a general name for Maori fish-hooks. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
It's a nice one. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Is it something that you've inherited, something you found? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Well, our grandfather used to go fishing from Wellington Harbour. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
We're just over from Wellington, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
and he used to catch the ferry from Wellington to Days Bay | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
and hike over the hill to a fishing batch, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
and when he was going one day he found this in the bush, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
just lying in the bush. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
-When would that have been? -Probably, we think, around 1910. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
Wow. Well, it's older than that. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
That's amazing, to actually be in the presence | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
of something that was actually found. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
This is a trawling lure, and they hung these out of the canoes, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
at the back of the canoes, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
as they were going in and out of the estuaries | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
and along the coastal waters, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
and it's for surface fishing, or for catching fish like barracuda | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
that surface-feed. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
They're on a long line of flax, some of which is left here. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
They're made of wood | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
and this is abalone. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:11 | |
What do the Maori call it? | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
We call it paua. The canoes they used were called waka ama, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
which is the fishing canoe. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
This would have hung out the back of that. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
The abalone would have sparkled in the water like a fish, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
and the barracuda, or a surface-feeding fish, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
would have thought this was a fish and got lured and caught | 0:39:29 | 0:39:35 | |
on this bone hook. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
I have to give it a value for the Roadshow audience, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
even though it's a family heirloom and of sentimental value, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
but one comparable to this | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
came up recently | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
and was valued at £1,800 to £2,200. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
As much as that? | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
We'd never have thought of that. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
That's quite surprising, but it won't be sold. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
So, this was a medal awarded to your uncle, Noel Kinch, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
in, I think, the 1930s, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
-for an act of outstanding bravery? -Yes. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Fiona told me the story, and what an incredible story. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
This here is the Northern Pride, which he served on board? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Yes, that's the trawler that my uncle was a ship's cook on. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
-He was the ship's cook? -Yeah. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:25 | |
His home port was Grimsby? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
Yes, he sailed from Grimsby. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Because one maybe forgets nowadays | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
that both Grimsby and Hull were massive fishing ports | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
in the 19th and 20th century | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
and, sadly, not so much today. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
-Yes. -But he must have been a superhero locally? -Yes. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
Well, I don't know, actually, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
because nobody knew about this story. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
-He never bragged? -He never bragged, no. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
The medal, called the Stanhope Medal, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
was issued by the Royal Humane Society. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
That society was founded way back in 1774, I think, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
in order to research into methods of reviving people who had drowned, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:07 | |
and they issued the first of these medals 100 years later, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:14 | |
so, 1873-1874, something like that. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
The remarkable thing about it is they only issued one every year. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
So, what you have is something that is incredibly scarce, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:30 | |
intrinsically valued because it's solid gold | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
and, most importantly, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:35 | |
is the history and the story. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
So, you have something... | 0:41:37 | 0:41:38 | |
I mean, it's something you're never going to get rid of. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
-No. -It will remain in the family forever? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
-Yes. -Which is exactly where it should be. -Yes. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
But, thinking of value, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
it's got everything. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
With medals, it is always the story, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
and you cannot get a better story than that. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
I would certainly think at auction, should it ever go to auction, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
you'd be thinking about a figure of between £6,000 and £10,000. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Wow! Yeah. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
But it could be more. Who knows? | 0:42:07 | 0:42:08 | |
Yes. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
You've brought along to me what has to be, without question, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
the smallest toilet pedestal in the world. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
Are you a toilet collector? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
I've got a friend and he digs bottles up as a hobby and he said, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
-"Do you want to buy it off me?" -Yeah? | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
So I gave him £100 for it. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
This was on a stall and I asked the lady if I could pick it up, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
and she explained to me what it did, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
and when I saw what it did I thought it's really clever. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
This was almost certainly made as a travelling salesman's model. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
-Yes. -And no surprise that it's actually made by Doulton. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
This is cutting-edge stuff, isn't it, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
when it comes to engineering. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
Were you horribly shocked? | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
Yeah, but it's quite amusing. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
And people said the Victorians were straight-laced! | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
It's a great bit of fun, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
people love these rather slightly risque pieces. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
You paid £10 for it. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
I think I could see a collector paying £100 for that. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
-Really? -Because where would you find another one? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
Well, I know exactly what it's worth, because you've just told me, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
because, to you, that is worth £100. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
But when you think about it, £100 is cheap, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
because there'll come a time in your life | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
when you'll be desperate to spend a penny! | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Jack, you live here in Burton Constable, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:48 | |
this has been in your family for hundreds of years. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
You've brought this from the chapel | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
and it has a particularly emotional significance for your family? | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
Yes, this is my great-granduncle Cecil's crucifix, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
which he wore around his neck | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
throughout his life. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
He was a soldier in the First World War and in the Second World War. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
Cecil had been a prisoner of war in the First World War | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
for the entire war, apart from his first six days, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
from the age of 21. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
And he said there was no way | 0:44:16 | 0:44:17 | |
he was going to be a prisoner of war in the Second World War as well, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
and so he last seen heading out to meet the SS, pistol in hand. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
He thought it was over for his troops, did he? | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
He thought there was no way he could escape, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
and he was not going to be a prisoner of war again. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
-So he decided he would go down in a blaze of gunfire and glory? -Exactly. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
As he lay dying from his wounds, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
this young Lance-Corporal, Alfons Dahlhoff, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
who was a Grenadier for the SS, | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
came across him and saw his crucifix hanging from his neck. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
So this was a German soldier? | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
Yes, it was a German soldier, who was a fellow Catholic, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
and sat by him in his last moments, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
comforting him in his death throes. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
And Cecil was able to give him both the crucifix | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
and his last letters home, | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
which he had in his pocket, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:00 | |
to send to Burton Constable, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
and many months later, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:04 | |
the family received a package in the war from Alfons' mother, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
saying, "I know we're still at war, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
"but I thought you should know | 0:45:10 | 0:45:11 | |
"that your son died in the arms of a fellow Catholic. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
"My son, too, sadly died a few weeks later, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
"and here is a picture of him, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
"and we'd like you to pray for him as well." | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
And so it was a very touching moment of serenity and kindness | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
in such a chaotic and cruel world. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
And what this is is a symbol of two men | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
who put aside their differences | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
and the fact their two countries were trying to kill each other... | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
-Yes. -..and saw the common humanity | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
at the most desperate of times. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
Exactly. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:42 | |
Well, here's a scrap of paper | 0:45:46 | 0:45:47 | |
which is almost so ephemeral as not to even be there. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Can I read it? | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
-Yes, please do. -"June 12, 1919. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
"My Dear Elsie, just a hurried line before I start. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
"This letter will travel with me in the official mailbag, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
"the first mail to be carried over the Atlantic." | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
"Love to all, your loving brother Jack." | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
So, Jack - this must be Jack Alcock? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
That's right. He was born John. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
Everybody called him Jack, so he signed his letter Jack. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
Jack Alcock was my grandmother's cousin. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
He was a pilot and there was a competition in the Daily Mail, | 0:46:27 | 0:46:33 | |
and the prize was £10,000 for the first to cross the Atlantic nonstop. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:39 | |
He decided to try with Arthur Whitten Brown | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
and they flew from Newfoundland | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
and crash-landed in a bog in Ireland. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
But...survived. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
And went on to... | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
They won the £10,000. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
So these two men, these two brave men, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
-were the first to fly nonstop across the Atlantic? -That's correct. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
St John's, at the top here. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:04 | |
-Yes. -This is St John's of Newfoundland. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
Yes. Yes. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
And what were they flying in? | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
This is in 1919. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
Yes, they were flying in a Vickers Vimy, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
which they'd adapted a little bit for the flight. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
A Vickers Vimy, it's a First World War bomber, essentially. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
A twin-engined bomber | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
designed for the offensive against Germany, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
it was able to fly from Britain to Germany, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
hence its range, I suppose. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
But no-one had tested it over the kind of range | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
of the North Atlantic, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
so it was an extraordinarily brave feat. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
And Elsie was his sister? | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
Elsie was his sister, yes. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
And so what you have here | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
is one of the first pieces of paper, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
the first piece of airmail that went across the Atlantic. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
I find that something to conjure with. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
-Yes. -And, of course, there's a tragic coda to it, isn't there? | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
-Yes. -Because, despite their bravery, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
and their success flying across the Atlantic, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
really against the odds, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
-later that year... -Yes, in December... | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
..he crash-landed in France. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
So before 1919 was out... | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
-He was dead. -Jack was no longer with us. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
-That's right. -So this makes this even more moving, I think. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
-Yes. -So... | 0:48:20 | 0:48:21 | |
I think it's a wonderful scrap of paper. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
I mean, it's almost nothing to look at, but it means so much, I think. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
Of course, there's no postmark on this, there's no envelope, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
and so, in this sense, it's not stamped, it's not official mail. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
It's a personal note. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:37 | |
So in a sense, its value is more personal than to a postal historian. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:43 | |
I think I'd be very happy to put a figure of £1,000-£1,200 on it. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
Oh. Wow! | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
Wow! | 0:48:51 | 0:48:52 | |
This is a very elegant bronze statue, | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
which I could easily imagine | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
in a chic Parisian or New York apartment of about 1960, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
really looking the bee's knees, and a real statement piece. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:14 | |
So, does it live in your Paris or New York apartment? | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
Well, not at the moment, no! | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
It lives with us in Hull. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
-In Hull? -In Hull. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
So how did you come by her? | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
We've only had her for about three, four months, something like that. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
-OK. -I bought her from a friend. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
She came to us via a third party. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
She'd been sold and we were offered the opportunity of buying her, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
and that's about three or four months ago. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
OK. So you like her. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
Do you have a taste for Art Deco things? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
Very much so. My wife particularly does, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
and she is just beautiful. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
-She is. -She really is. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
And dare I ask, how much did she cost you? | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
I own a fish-and-chip shop in Bridlington... | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
-Right. -..where she cost me £200, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
plus ten fish and chips. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
So a few fish suppers as well, thrown in? | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
-Yeah. -Right, OK. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
Well, it's not often we get, on the Antiques Roadshow, | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
pieces which have been part-exchanged for a fish supper, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
so it'll be a first for me. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
But let's take a closer look at her. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
So, bronze on this limestone base, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
influenced by the work of Barbara Hepworth | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
and the other sculptors working in this country | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
in the Modernist school. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:25 | |
And it's a very good piece. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
A dancer, I think we can safely say. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
Very like the Art Deco figures of Dimitri Chiparus. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:35 | |
I'm thinking some of his figures from the 1930s. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
And it's a classic pose of the period, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
and with real style and real elegance. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
-Where do you have her at home? -We have a turn on the stairs, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
and she is on the window on the turn on the stairs. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
Right, right. I think she's great, fantastic, really elegant piece. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
We do have a signature. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Let's have a look. Underwood. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
Do you know anything about Underwood? | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
Very little. I only know what I've looked up having bought her. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
OK. I'll confess to something now. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:05 | |
When I first saw this name, Underwood, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I immediately thought Leon Underwood, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
who is one of the... | 0:51:10 | 0:51:11 | |
Well, he's reckoned to be one of the founding fathers | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
of 20th-century British sculpture. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
It isn't. It's Guy Underwood. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
-Right. -So, if it was Leon Underwood | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
we'd be talking many, many, many fish suppers. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
As it is, Guy is still an interesting piece. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
I mean, I think it represents the kind of object that WILL go up, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
simply on its decorative appeal alone, and it has that in spades. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
It's a really, really stylish piece. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
It clearly gives you pleasure. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
-You paid, you say... -It's £200. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
£200, plus a few fish suppers as well. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
I think, actually, at auction, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
in a good decorative-arts sale, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
I think you could see a return on that, perhaps a little bit more, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
-in the current market, £300 to £400. -Yeah. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
I think it's a good solid piece. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
-Lovely. -And well done, you, for the fish and chips! | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
Thank you. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:00 | |
So, absolutely surrounded by Georgian shoe buckles. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:10 | |
How did you get them? | 0:52:10 | 0:52:11 | |
Well, my husband, it was his... | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
My late husband, it was his collection, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
and he collected them for over 50 years. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
That's marvellous. Because, you know, | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
they had shoe buckles in the medieval period, | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
but then they went out of fashion, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
and then they came back in the mid-17th century, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
and people like Samuel Pepys wrote about putting buckles on his shoes. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
But, of course, a lot of these | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
are from the golden period of shoe buckles, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
from 1762 to 1780. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
And what was your husband's fascination in them? | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
I don't really know. I mean, his father had a couple of pairs | 0:52:45 | 0:52:50 | |
which he gave to my husband. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
And from then on, he just... He just liked them. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
When we went to antique fairs, | 0:52:57 | 0:52:58 | |
we were always looking for shoe buckles. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
We could go into a quite upmarket antique shop | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
and we were probably paying two pounds, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
two pounds ten shillings, something like that, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
for a pair of Georgian shoe buckles. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
-And did it become a little bit of an obsession? -Yes. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
-Just a bit. -Just a little bit! | 0:53:17 | 0:53:18 | |
-So, you're here with your family today? -Yes. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
What do you think about your father's collection? | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
I think it's amazing that he collected it over so many years. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
He was so proud of it. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:28 | |
He researched them, he cleaned them, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
he catalogued them. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
He loved showing them to people, loved talking about them. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
-And, yes, there is even more! -THEY LAUGH | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
So, how many do we have in the full collection? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
An awful lot. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
Come on, you can tell me. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
I've got about 1,500. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:47 | |
-1,500. -1,500. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
Well, I think we're going back to a little bit of an obsession. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
Yes, it was rather! | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
It gives us such a feeling for the Georgian period, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
with these dandies, men with these fabulous shoe buckles on, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
going to houses like this, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
and wearing all these fantastic buckles, with the paste ones, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
and the silver ones, and really very romantic, too. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
Yeah, it's hard to think it was men that wore these, not the women. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:20 | |
I mean, they had silver ones which they kept for best, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
and they had more of the paste-type ones | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
which was more or less an everyday type of buckle. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
Which is quite funny, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
when you look at some of the paste ones and see them, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
-they're quite dramatic, aren't they? -Yeah. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
-They're not understated, are they? -No, no. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
I love these creamware ones. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
I mean, they are absolutely so beautiful, and so impractical. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:47 | |
Well, this is partially why there aren't that many around, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
because obviously they got broken. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
We did go to Northampton Museum once and saw the curator, | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
and at that time she only knew of about five pairs | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
of those particular shoe buckles. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
I mean, obviously, as soon as you put them on, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
they would break. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:09 | |
You can't imagine they would survive one single wearing. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
But, of course, the others are much more practical and beautiful. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
And, well, what do I say about value? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
-Don't know. -THEY LAUGH | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
If you just look at them | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
and say that, you know, some of the lesser ones, | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
maybe £100 the pair. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
Some of the more beautiful ones in these cases, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
maybe £500 to £700 a pair. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
And if you take the creamware ones, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
I would certainly see them very easily fetching £1,000. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:51 | |
So, if you look at the collection as a whole, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
and it's pretty staggering to me, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
I think we're looking here, with your collection, | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
at £200,000. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
Oh, God. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
-Staggering. -Oh, my God. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Well, we don't really sort of think of that, you know. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
I mean, they're a collection and we are keeping the collection. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
And it will get passed down to my three daughters | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
and possibly even further down the line than that. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
But he just loved them. Just absolutely loved them. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
Well, isn't it lovely that you've got this lovely inheritance, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
you've got your daughters and granddaughter - | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
you know, it's a lovely family story. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
Yes. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
I should think he would be so proud | 0:56:42 | 0:56:43 | |
to see his remarkable shoe-buckle collection | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
displayed on the Antiques Roadshow. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
Did you know that two of our specialists | 0:56:48 | 0:56:49 | |
used to collect shoe buckles? | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
Philip Mould, our art expert - | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
that was his first collection when he was a boy. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
And Ronnie Archer-Morgan, our miscellaneous specialist, | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
he still collects them, even today. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
From Burton Constable and the whole Roadshow team, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
and the shoe buckles, bye-bye. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:03 |