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The Humber Bridge was opened by the Queen back in 1981,

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and it is Britain's longest suspension bridge.

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And look at the view, it dominates the landscape.

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You've got Lincolnshire over on this side.

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Over here, the East Riding of Yorkshire, and just there,

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this year's City of Culture.

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And at this spot we're over 500ft up in the air,

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and I'm feeling a bit nervous.

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Welcome to this week's Antiques Roadshow from Hull.

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Hull was awarded City of Culture 2017.

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It's a £100 million investment

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that will refurbish museums, galleries,

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and fund plenty of festivals.

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New venues have also been built.

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Like this one, called The Dock.

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It's a Grade II-listed former dry dock dating back to 1842.

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It hasn't been used in the last 20 years,

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but now it's been converted into a 350-seat amphitheatre

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for live events and shows.

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Another notable location for this cultural extravaganza

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is the Museum Quarter.

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To get there, you'll find the River Hull in the way,

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but this recently installed swing bridge,

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an ingenious piece of engineering like something off a Star Wars set,

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will transport you to the other side.

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Hull City of Culture 2017 will celebrate its former greats.

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The pilot Amy Johnson, the poet Philip Larkin,

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and the great slave-abolitionist William Wilberforce.

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And Wilberforce's home celebrates another era,

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when Hull's furniture-makers were at the fore.

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They were craftsmen born from the shipbuilding heyday.

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Their celebrated work also inhabits a fine country house nearby -

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our venue for the day, Burton Constable Hall.

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This 16th-century house is crammed with treasures,

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and we're hoping to find many more

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as our experts welcome visitors to today's Antiques Roadshow.

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This is a fantastic oil lamp that you've brought us in

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to take a look at today,

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and I must say, on this show,

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we don't often get a couple of young guys like yourself

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bringing something like this in, so what can you tell me about it?

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How did you come by it, do you collect this type of thing?

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Yeah, we have quite a few antiques

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and we're always on the lookout for bits and pieces.

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And we were visiting a car-boot sale in Doncaster,

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and I saw this from a distance,

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but originally, where the enamelling, sort of, colouring is,

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it was painted white.

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I considered repainting it but I were curious what were underneath,

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so I slowly sort of just washed it off with soap and water.

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That must have been quite a shock when you've gone from white to this?

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-Yeah.

-And what did you think of the purchase?

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For many years, a lot of our homes, we used to...

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Everything come from car boots, you know what I mean?

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That's how we furnished our home, and then obviously when...

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-..This was revealed...

-Yeah.

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..you've been back to that car boot every week since, yeah?

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It's French, it's Limoges enamel,

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and Limoges enamel have been around for a very long time,

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way back in the 12th century,

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but this one was made much, much later than that

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and in the 19th century, probably around 1880.

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And it's of a type, I mean, it's high-style Victorian, really,

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you've got these wonderful gilt-metal mounts here,

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and then often we see these panels,

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which were sort of aristocrats or courtiers,

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probably 16th-17th century, something like that.

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And here we can see we've got Marie de Rohan.

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She was also known as the Duchess Chevreuse.

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And then, if I turn it all the way around,

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we can see on the other side,

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opposing side, we've got Louis Maugiron.

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Particularly in the 19th century

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they were looking back on earlier periods,

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you know, the 16th, 17th and indeed the 18th century,

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with a great deal of fondness,

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so decorating it with these type of aristocrats and courtiers

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would have been very much appetite and flavour of the day.

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Would that have been hand-painted?

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Absolutely. Yeah, no, it's absolutely all hand-painted

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on this wonderful sort of turquoise ground.

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Would it have been a one-off or one of a pair, or just...?

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You know, pairs of vases, we think about that,

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but as an oil lamp often they were just, you know, single, so...

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But you will find other examples like this oil lamp.

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We were always curious with the narrow shade, flute,

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because most of them I've seen are quite bulbous

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-and this is very narrow.

-It is. Well, it would have had another...

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You see this lovely little lip that we've got there?

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That would have actually sat, so you've got your flute there,

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and then you would have had

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a nice little globular, or bulbous, lamp there.

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Because, of course, that would have been frosted,

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you know, so that the light wasn't so extreme.

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I mean, if you just got this clear one,

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the light would have been burst throughout the room.

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It's a great thing. I think there would be a good appetite for that

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if it came up for auction,

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and I think it would carry a presale estimate

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of between £1,500 and £2,500.

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-Really?

-That's brilliant.

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Now you can tell me what you paid at the car boot.

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Well, it were less than £10.

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-Was it really? My God.

-LAUGHTER

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So, yeah!

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Now, I gather this little bit of silver

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is the cause of some family controversy, shall we say,

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so perhaps I can help to settle the argument.

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So, without wanting to cause, you know, romantic disharmony,

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perhaps ladies first, perhaps you'd like to tell me

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what your view of it is?

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Well, it's been in my family forever,

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never been out of the family,

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and we think it's a communion cup

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-and it's probably from the 1500s.

-Right.

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And so I gather your partner's also been investigating this little cup,

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and so what would be your view?

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I think it's from the 17...

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Around 1775, from Birmingham,

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and it's sterling silver.

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Do you agree with the sterling silver?

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OK, so it's sterling silver.

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I think I agree with the sterling silver,

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so we've got consensus here, sterling silver it is.

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You're both wrong on the date.

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And on the town, unfortunately.

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-Oh!

-A beaker?

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-Yes.

-For drinking out of?

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-Yeah.

-Whatever you like, really,

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it's just a useful domestic object, really.

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I don't think it's got anything to do with church,

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in fact there's no reason to think it's to do with communion.

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There is a set of hallmarks on the bottom,

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which you presumably looked up to get the Birmingham one.

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They are complicated, hallmarks,

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and I can understand exactly why you drew that conclusion.

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This little beaker was made in London, in fact, in 1653.

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HE WHISTLES

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Not quite as old as the 1500s, but pretty old nonetheless.

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-Yeah.

-1500s is very, very rare for silver.

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1653 is rare enough.

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So, if we turn it upside down,

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on the bottom here

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we've got a little set of London hallmarks,

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and there's a maker's mark with D and G

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on either side of an anchor.

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Well, as you know now, the Birmingham town mark is an anchor,

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so I can quite understand why you'd thought that.

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It's made by a maker who's name now has been lost to history,

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who made various silver objects,

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including communion cups and church-related silver.

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This he made and marked in 1653,

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which is some, what, 363 years ago?

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Wow.

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Incredible, I mean, and all the damage that it's suffered,

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there are a few dents on the side of it - is it used at home?

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Not really, no. It's just on display all the time, though.

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But it's out on constant display?

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-Yeah.

-You never get tempted to take a little drink out of it, no?

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Sometimes, yeah!

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SHE LAUGHS

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You can do, it won't come to any harm. You can use it,

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as long as you don't sort of throw it round the room,

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you're not going to do it any damage.

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It was absolutely made for use.

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Silver from that period's pretty rare.

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1500s is sort of virtually unheard of,

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but this is pretty rare stuff.

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It's been around forever, you don't know who bought it,

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-you don't know...?

-No.

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It's quite a little cup,

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I mean it's, what, 3oz or 4oz only?

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I think you'd be very lucky to buy that for £3,000.

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Wow.

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She's shocked!

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THEY LAUGH

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-Really?

-Yeah, really.

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Gosh. Oh, thank you, that's lovely.

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Not a bit.

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Well, we've got the classical beauty of Burton Constable Hall behind us.

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You've brought me a clock of a similar classical design.

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-Handsome.

-Handsome.

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But let me tell you, it's a very, very ordinary, late Victorian clock.

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So, what was it about it that made you buy it?

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Well, the paintings on it.

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I love the whole school of marine painters,

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especially John Ward and Henry Redmore.

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-Yes.

-It was in a... I hesitate to say antique shop -

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it was a junk shop or second-hand shop,

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and among all the tat I saw this behind the counter

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and I was immediately drawn to it because of the paintings on it.

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Yeah, and how far back does your interest in Hull and maritime...?

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All my life, all my life.

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I bought this 24 years ago now,

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and when I looked closely I was very excited and pleased

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to see the signature on it, EK Redmore.

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Yeah. Now, it is an artist I know,

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because my grandma lived in Hull for 40-50 years,

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and as a boy I went to the Ferens Art Gallery,

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where they have some super works by Edward King Redmore.

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-Yes.

-And, of course, his father, Henry Redmore, was also an artist,

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so there's a tradition in that family

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-and they're very celebrated in these parts.

-In Hull especially, yes.

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Shall we have a look a bit closer at the...?

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-Yes, certainly.

-Because it's got a full seascape.

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I mean, there's a sailing vessel,

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there's a little steam vessel in the background.

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Precisely, yes, yes.

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And, of course, it's not just the dial that's painted -

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we have, beneath the classical sort of portico,

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two more little vignettes.

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Indeed, yes, yes.

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I'll be honest, I've never seen anything by either of the Redmores

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painted on anything except canvas.

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-Have you not?

-So, it makes this, you know, a little bit spicy.

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Yes, well, it's unique, I think it's the only one in the world.

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His work deteriorated a lot in his older days.

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Well, yes, his later work did really deteriorate,

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and I thought he died

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somewhere in the early days of the Second World War.

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Just before, I believe, yes. 1939, I think.

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Yeah, yeah. But, look, what a lovely piece

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that represents one of Hull's great artists

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and, of course, one of Hull's great characters.

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We remember him by his attention to this, you know,

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very ordinary French clock with a very ordinary movement.

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Value - not huge, but I think to a local person,

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in a local auction that's well advertised,

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it's got to be £700, £1,000 worth.

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Yes, thank you very much, yes.

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It's a tradesman's sample.

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-Yes.

-It's Victorian.

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-Yes.

-And made of mahogany.

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To me, the charming thing about it is it's all original.

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It's got the original little turned feet,

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the original knob handles,

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it even opens up inside.

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Commercially, it's worth about £200-£300.

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Do you know anybody who wants it?

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THEY LAUGH

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Well, it's handmade.

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It's handmade - in part because it IS handmade...

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SHE LAUGHS

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..it also is handmade

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because there's a sticker here that says "handmade"!

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It's one of the advantages of being able to read.

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-And it also says The Great British Bake Off.

-Yes.

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Crumbs!

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-Did you win this?

-I did.

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-Is that right?

-Series five, yes.

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And what did you cook?

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A red windmill, the Moulin Rouge.

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-OK, have you got a bit left of it?

-SHE LAUGHS

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Not now, no!

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This is really fabulous, it's a very, very beautiful dress.

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-Thank you.

-Is it something that you've worn?

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No, it's not mine, it belongs to my friend,

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but she lives in Greece so I said I'd bring it on her behalf.

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This is textbook 1920s.

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-Beautiful.

-It's probably about 1925, to be exact.

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We have bugle beads, metal thread, sequins,

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beautifully arranged and in an amazing condition.

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It has a value.

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How much?

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Well, because of its condition and its wear-ability,

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a dress like this would easily be £800.

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Oh! I told her, I told her it was a really nice dress.

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Oh, how lovely. She'll be so pleased.

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Who is this gentleman in a First World War uniform?

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This is my grandfather, Albert Ruffy.

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In the First World War he was shot a couple of times

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and we've still got the bullets from the First World War.

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-Really?

-Yeah.

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Now, when he'd left being a soldier in the First World War,

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what did he do then?

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I'm not quite sure exactly what his trade was,

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but up until when he went into the...

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When we entered into the Second World War,

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he was part of the Customs.

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And as the war ended,

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we started to repatriate some of the German prisoners of war.

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-Yes.

-Now, I understand he was involved with that.

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He was. As the Customs were dealing with the Germans

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going from the prisoner-of-war camps back to Germany,

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they had to go through a period

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where all of their belongings were taken from them,

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they weren't allowed to take anything back to Germany with them,

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and everything was destroyed before they left the country, hence...

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-These two.

-Yes.

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Now, these are two diaries that he was given by a German as he was...?

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Yeah, he spoke a little bit of German himself,

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and the story goes that the German, who we think was called Erich,

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there's reference to him in the books,

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but gave them to him and asked him if he would keep them safe

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because, to him, they were valuable and he didn't want them destroyed.

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Those soldiers that we see from the newsreels,

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in certain...pieces of film, are Nazis.

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They really are,

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and they had been brought up from very small children

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to believe in this idealistic world

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that their Fuhrer, their leader, Adolf Hitler,

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had made for them.

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The owner of your diary was a member of the SS, the Schutzstaffel.

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-OK.

-The lightning squad.

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Those...feared troops.

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And he was very proud of the fact

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that he was part of this unit,

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and that's not something

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that we necessarily feel very comfortable with today,

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-all those years afterwards.

-Yeah.

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And there are some images in here that people may find offensive,

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but they are definitely part of history.

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-Yeah.

-The little diary that we have open,

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they have used an eagle from their coat

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as a template.

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Ah, right.

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It's commemorating, first of all, Hitler's birthday,

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and then the fact that, in 1945, he had died.

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-Yeah.

-But they're saying is

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that their honour is commanding still their loyalty,

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which is the motto of the SS.

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Mm.

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And in this one, another...

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..eulogy, I suppose.

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It's crafted from a stamp, actually.

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That's how they've made this.

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We did wonder how that part had come about.

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They've cut it out of two stamps,

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and I think probably a piece of headed paper.

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The diaries are written in German.

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-They are, yes.

-And some of it in Gothic German,

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which is very difficult to read.

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-Yes.

-Have you had them translated?

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We've had the majority of this one translated,

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and part of it is quite moving

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because they touch on comradeship

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and the fact that they're, whatever they're in, it's together.

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And then a lot of it is more, as you've said,

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to do with the actual war itself and what's going on at the time.

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Not destroyed by your grandad,

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which I think was the order.

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Yeah. I think the reason that he kept them as well

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was because he was very interested in artistry.

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There are some fantastic drawings in here. I mean, really good drawings.

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I've had a think about what this would be on the open market,

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and it's a very difficult thing to put a price on.

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But I certainly think you'd have to be looking at

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somewhere between £400 and £600 for the pair of diaries,

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-I think that would be somewhere in that region.

-Yeah.

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-Thank you for bringing them in and showing us.

-No problem.

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And thank you for having the courage, I suppose.

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I'm pleased you found them interesting.

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-Thank you so much.

-OK, thank you.

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Well, we couldn't come to Hull

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without finding a piece of whaling history, obviously,

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and you have brought me probably the best piece of scrimshaw

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that I've seen for a very, very long time.

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How did you come to have it?

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I came across it at an auction online.

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I'm interested in the history of Hull

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and any artefacts that can help to tell the history,

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and I managed to obtain it.

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Basically, what it is, it's a vesta case,

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so it's a little match case

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made out of a sperm-whale tooth.

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And the top, I'm pretty sure, is made of baleen,

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and then it's inset with a little piece of shagreen,

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which is sharkskin,

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which obviously, being very rough, you can strike the matches on.

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But what is really nice about this is it's actually inscribed

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with the name of the whaling ship.

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We have the date, 1852,

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and also the gentleman himself who inscribed it, J Penn.

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It's actually quite nicely engraved,

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and we've got a lighthouse on one side

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and then we have an almost scantily clad lady there,

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almost in Regency dress.

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Even though this was engraved in the 1850s,

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she's almost wearing a dress that could be from the 1820s, 1830s.

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And then on the other side we have a lovely little mermaid,

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and then a little vase of flowers on the other side.

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Obviously it's got the name of the whaling ship on the top of it,

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Truelove. Did you know anything about the ship at all?

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Yes, I was familiar with the ship the Truelove.

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The Hull Maritime Museum have the original flag from the ship

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and there's quite a lot of history known in the area

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about the Truelove being

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an ex-American ship of the Independence wars,

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and that the British liberated off the Americans,

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and then I understand it was converted to a whaler.

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It's a lovely piece.

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Of course, the thing is with scrimshaw

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is that we do see so many fakes of them,

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but this one is absolutely correct in every way.

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I think it's a lovely thing.

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It's doubly interesting that obviously it's local history,

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also the fact it's a match-holder.

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Can I ask how much you actually paid for it at auction?

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Yes, I paid around £400 for it at the auction,

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but it wasn't catalogued up very well.

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The auctioneers didn't do a very good job, I don't think,

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of cataloguing it up rightly, so...

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Well, I think that must have been your game,

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because at £400 you did extremely well.

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You know, it's a really nice example,

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it's quite a rare thing, being a vesta case.

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It's beautifully engraved, the mermaid on it,

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local history, you know, it's got everything going for it.

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If it were to come up for auction locally

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I would have no hesitation

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in seeing it selling for around £2,000-£2,500.

0:20:110:20:14

That's very nice, very good.

0:20:140:20:16

-It's a really nice piece.

-Very nice. Thank you for that.

0:20:170:20:21

So, we've got a lovely collection of letters by Florence Nightingale,

0:20:240:20:29

the great Crimean heroine, pioneer of nursing,

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to Henry Power.

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Tell me about them.

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Yes, well Henry Power was my great-grandfather.

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He was an eye surgeon.

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He practised at St Thomas's Hospital in London.

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And he met Florence Nightingale there,

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because she set up her nursing school

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in 1860 in St Thomas's Hospital.

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-Yes.

-And he became her eye surgeon?

0:20:520:20:55

-Yes.

-She had trouble with her eyes?

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Yes, they were fading towards her later life.

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So, we start off with a letter like this which is written in pencil,

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and it's Henry Power, here it is, it's dated 1897.

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She died quite early on in the new century.

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She says, "My dear Sir,

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"I do not know whether you are in town

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"or likely to be in town tomorrow, Monday.

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"But if you are in town,

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"could you kindly come and see me?

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"My eyes are very bad.

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"The best time for me would be 5:30pm but, of course,

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"your time must be my time.

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"Yours faithfully, Florence Nightingale."

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And so she writes this from, I suppose, her bed,

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or on a sofa at very best.

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-Yes.

-Because this is 1897,

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and if we look at an earlier letter that she wrote here, which is 1887,

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to "My Dear Sir," again about her eyes,

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the handwriting, which is in pen, is absolutely copperplate

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-and very, very clear.

-Yes.

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And so she had bad eyesight throughout her life,

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I suppose, and towards the end of her life

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she had to see a lot with him.

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So, these cover really, what, the last 20 years of her life?

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-I should think so.

-Really?

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She was getting on and her eyes were becoming more and more troublesome.

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But it is a wonderful collection,

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-and very nice to see her character coming through.

-Yes.

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Just before she set up at St Thomas',

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she wrote her famous book - Florence Nightingale wrote

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-Nursing: - What It Is and What It Is Not.

-Yes.

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Which I think is absolutely tremendous.

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"What It Is Not", and I think that was what she was very worried about,

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that it was very much a casual affair

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and not the more formal affair and the more sterile affair

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that we have come to know her for.

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So, you've got eight letters here.

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-Yes.

-We have to value them.

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Right.

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Florence Nightingale is very desirable, autographically.

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From a feminist point of view, she is very desirable.

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From a nursing point of view, again, terribly desirable.

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You would never get a Florence Nightingale letter for under £500.

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Right.

0:23:010:23:02

Some of these are very good letters.

0:23:020:23:04

They mention all sorts of things, but they're mostly about eyes.

0:23:040:23:07

Unfortunately they're not about the Crimea,

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in which case we'd be talking about thousands.

0:23:100:23:12

So, you have eight letters,

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so, conservatively, we could say £4,000.

0:23:150:23:18

That's good for a lot of paper, isn't it?

0:23:200:23:22

HE LAUGHS

0:23:220:23:24

Well, you've brought along a small, rectangular, satin-lidded box,

0:23:260:23:31

and it's a small box,

0:23:310:23:33

but it doesn't half pack a mighty punch

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when you open up the lid, doesn't it?

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Because, inside, you have this extraordinary-looking brooch.

0:23:380:23:43

Is it a butterfly or is it a moth?

0:23:430:23:47

Well, in my opinion, that is a very fine moth.

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It is. Why? Because it's got those outstretched wings

0:23:500:23:53

-and the fat, bulbous body.

-For sure.

0:23:530:23:55

Very slimline wings.

0:23:550:23:58

It was made in around about the end of the 19th century,

0:23:580:24:02

so sort of circa 1900,

0:24:020:24:04

but what do you know about it?

0:24:040:24:06

It was a gift from my mother-in-law

0:24:060:24:09

when we got married in 1983.

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So she presented me with the very fine blue box and said,

0:24:120:24:16

"This is for you."

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It was hers before, so I was a very grateful recipient.

0:24:180:24:21

-I should think you were.

-Do you wear it?

0:24:210:24:24

-No.

-It sits there...

0:24:240:24:26

It sits in my dressing table in a drawer.

0:24:260:24:28

This poor butterfly/moth in a drawer.

0:24:280:24:31

It's being kept in the dark, yes.

0:24:310:24:33

-So, you don't know what it's made of?

-No. I don't.

0:24:330:24:36

It could be glass, marcasite, because they usually were.

0:24:360:24:41

-Right.

-Well, it's not glass or marcasite, it's diamonds.

0:24:410:24:45

-Wow!

-So, it's pave-set with diamonds,

0:24:450:24:49

old Victorian-cut diamonds,

0:24:490:24:52

smothering the surface of the wings.

0:24:520:24:55

-Wow.

-So, if I may just take it out of the box,

0:24:550:24:59

see what we've got.

0:24:590:25:01

The outstretched wings, I think,

0:25:010:25:03

show you the size of the thing.

0:25:030:25:05

When you turn it over, you notice that at the back

0:25:050:25:08

it's set in gold and silver,

0:25:080:25:11

and you've noticed that the brooch pin itself

0:25:110:25:14

has got this little what I call actually a butterfly fitting

0:25:140:25:18

at the back.

0:25:180:25:20

-It's a little fitting that you can unscrew the brooch pin.

-Golly.

0:25:200:25:25

And the reason that that would have been done,

0:25:250:25:27

in around about 1900,

0:25:270:25:29

was that there would usually have been

0:25:290:25:32

a double-prong fitting at the back

0:25:320:25:34

to convert it to be worn at the back of your bun.

0:25:340:25:38

-Gosh!

-Do you notice the little rubies?

0:25:380:25:41

-Yes, the eyes.

-The eyes set with ruby cabochons.

0:25:410:25:44

-Right.

-Nice touch.

-Very good.

0:25:440:25:46

-Nice touch.

-Yes, absolutely.

0:25:460:25:48

So, it's a very, very good example of late Victorian naturalism,

0:25:480:25:53

but it's set with very good-quality diamonds.

0:25:530:25:56

Right.

0:25:560:25:57

Let's move on to its potential value.

0:25:570:26:00

So, from your point of view, no idea?

0:26:000:26:03

No idea at all.

0:26:030:26:04

Now, the issue of what it is is important,

0:26:040:26:08

because if it's perceived as a moth it's one value,

0:26:080:26:12

and if it's perceived as a butterfly it's another value.

0:26:120:26:16

You're pulling my leg?

0:26:160:26:18

Why should that be? No, no, no!

0:26:180:26:20

Because why? We all love butterflies but we don't like moths, do we?

0:26:200:26:25

We get rid of moths in our bedroom at night-time,

0:26:250:26:27

but butterflies we welcome during the daytime,

0:26:270:26:30

and that impacts upon the value, too.

0:26:300:26:33

-Right.

-So, I'm going to give you two values.

0:26:330:26:35

-OK.

-Moth and butterfly.

0:26:350:26:38

If it's a moth, £7,000.

0:26:390:26:42

God! That's gobsmacking, isn't it?

0:26:440:26:46

If someone thinks that's the most beautiful butterfly in the world...

0:26:460:26:51

-Yes?

-..£9,000 to £10,000.

0:26:510:26:53

Wow!

0:26:530:26:54

Well, to me, it was just a very pretty, pretty piece of jewellery.

0:26:540:26:58

I had no idea.

0:26:580:27:00

I believe your mother-in-law knew exactly what she was doing

0:27:000:27:04

when she gave it to you.

0:27:040:27:05

-She wasn't stupid, I must say.

-Then she was hoping that one day

0:27:050:27:08

you'd bring it along to the Antiques Roadshow

0:27:080:27:11

to show it to one of us

0:27:110:27:13

so we could tell you exactly what it was.

0:27:130:27:15

But I can tell you, as someone who loves butterflies or moths

0:27:150:27:20

as much as I do,

0:27:200:27:21

that's a serious piece of diamond jewellery.

0:27:210:27:25

-Great!

-So, well done.

0:27:250:27:26

Thanks for saying that. That's terrific.

0:27:260:27:28

I shall think of my mother-in-law a lot now with great affection.

0:27:280:27:32

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you, OK.

0:27:320:27:34

Do you know, I can safely say this is the first time

0:27:370:27:39

I've ever filmed a saddle on the Antiques Roadshow.

0:27:390:27:41

What's more, it's interesting that it should be an American saddle.

0:27:410:27:46

Now, this is a saddle that, of course,

0:27:460:27:47

everyone who's watching will immediately associate with cowboys.

0:27:470:27:51

-That's right.

-You don't look like a Western re-enactor to me.

0:27:510:27:55

So, firstly, explain how you come to own this.

0:27:550:27:59

Well, it's always been in the family

0:27:590:28:03

since probably the 1970s.

0:28:030:28:06

My father was a jockey.

0:28:060:28:08

-Right.

-He was always into horses.

0:28:080:28:10

We had a riding stable, and I think one day

0:28:100:28:14

he just went out to the local tack shop

0:28:140:28:17

and got one, or got it shipped in from America,

0:28:170:28:20

and he just came home with it.

0:28:200:28:22

It's always been in our family since then.

0:28:220:28:25

It's never been used, apart from once.

0:28:250:28:27

So, what was the one occasion, then, that you tried the saddle?

0:28:270:28:30

Well, funnily enough, I took my pony back home

0:28:300:28:34

and we tried it out on the pony,

0:28:340:28:36

cos it's been there stuck in the hallway for years

0:28:360:28:40

and we decided to put it on there.

0:28:400:28:42

It's the only time it's been on my pony.

0:28:420:28:43

That's really good. How old are you in that photograph?

0:28:430:28:46

-I'm only 14.

-14 years old?

0:28:460:28:48

-Yes.

-That's wonderful. If you look at the size of the saddle,

0:28:480:28:50

it's a big saddle for a small pony

0:28:500:28:52

because, of course, this is really a range saddle,

0:28:520:28:55

made for a much bigger horse.

0:28:550:28:57

In fact, there's a great deal of tradition

0:28:570:28:59

imbued in the history of this saddle,

0:28:590:29:01

and it takes us back a long time,

0:29:010:29:03

really as far as the Moors and Spain, basically,

0:29:030:29:06

because this saddle is made for a very particular purpose.

0:29:060:29:11

Now, there are very many different types of American saddle,

0:29:110:29:14

apart from that kind of cowboy image that we have of them.

0:29:140:29:17

This saddle, really, is made for one very specific purpose - comfort.

0:29:170:29:23

This type of saddle is for sitting in for a long time,

0:29:230:29:26

big stirrups, and primarily for dealing with cattle.

0:29:260:29:30

Now, it's beautifully decorated, isn't it?

0:29:300:29:33

-Yes, absolutely.

-It's tooled all over,

0:29:330:29:36

and often people call these saddles "show saddles"

0:29:360:29:39

because they look so spectacular.

0:29:390:29:42

In fact, actually, I suspect that many people in America

0:29:420:29:46

that sit on saddles like this

0:29:460:29:47

never really utilise all the historical aspects of them.

0:29:470:29:50

I suspect most people never use a lasso...

0:29:500:29:53

THEY LAUGH

0:29:530:29:54

..and never use the pommel or the horn.

0:29:540:29:57

So in fact what has happened is that this feature of an American saddle

0:29:570:30:01

-has kind of just always stayed there, really.

-Yes.

0:30:010:30:04

Now, when your father purchased this in the '60s or '70s,

0:30:040:30:08

I imagine it would have cost him quite a lot of money.

0:30:080:30:11

Did he ever make reference to that?

0:30:110:30:12

No, never. I don't think so.

0:30:120:30:15

My mother never found out how much it did actually cost!

0:30:150:30:18

THEY LAUGH

0:30:180:30:19

I think he just turned up one day with it.

0:30:190:30:22

She was probably quite surprised.

0:30:220:30:24

-Yes.

-I think in that period,

0:30:240:30:25

there probably weren't so many American saddles in the UK.

0:30:250:30:29

Now, if you were to go and buy a saddle like this from Big Horn,

0:30:290:30:33

who are still in business,

0:30:330:30:35

they still make saddles...

0:30:350:30:37

This has kind of got a little bit of a vintage connection.

0:30:370:30:41

It's also got an emotive connection to your father.

0:30:410:30:44

Yes. He passed away, didn't he?

0:30:440:30:46

Yes, he did, when I was ten years old.

0:30:460:30:48

Ten years old? A long time ago.

0:30:480:30:50

So this saddle is a connection to him, isn't it?

0:30:500:30:53

Certainly, if you had to go and buy a saddle like this,

0:30:530:30:56

I could see it costing you £700 to £1,000 to buy.

0:30:560:30:59

It really is a very beautiful thing,

0:31:000:31:02

but it's beautiful to you in many ways

0:31:020:31:04

and you're obviously never going to sell it

0:31:040:31:06

and it's going to carry on standing in your hallway...

0:31:060:31:08

-Absolutely.

-..as a great reminder of your father.

0:31:080:31:11

-Thanks ever so much for bringing it in.

-Thank you.

0:31:110:31:14

It's not often on the Antiques Roadshow

0:31:180:31:20

we feature stories about a shark attack, and what's more,

0:31:200:31:23

a man fighting off a shark attack.

0:31:230:31:25

-But this is what happened to your uncle?

-Yes.

0:31:250:31:28

He was a ship's cook on trawlers.

0:31:280:31:31

How long ago are we talking about?

0:31:310:31:33

This is 1934.

0:31:330:31:35

Your uncle, Noel Kinch, was he a local man?

0:31:350:31:37

He was from Grimsby. He'd sailed from Grimsby port.

0:31:370:31:40

I believe it was 1936 when he was awarded this medal.

0:31:400:31:44

-This medal here?

-Yeah.

0:31:440:31:46

They were fishing and the boatswain got washed overboard.

0:31:460:31:49

He injured his back when going over the railings,

0:31:490:31:52

and my uncle kicked off his wellies and jumped over the side.

0:31:520:31:56

Went into the water and, when he got to the boatswain,

0:31:560:32:00

the boatswain had been attacked by a shark,

0:32:000:32:03

and he'd been bitten on the arm,

0:32:030:32:05

and the shark came back and attacked again

0:32:050:32:08

and my uncle got bitten in the back but he fought the shark off.

0:32:080:32:11

They were in the sea for 40 minutes.

0:32:110:32:14

So he fought off a shark...

0:32:140:32:15

-Yeah.

-..saved his crew mate and lived to tell the tale?

0:32:150:32:18

-Yes.

-And he was then awarded this medal for bravery?

0:32:180:32:21

-Yes.

-What an extraordinary man!

0:32:210:32:23

Yes. He never told anyone.

0:32:230:32:26

We never knew anything about it in the family.

0:32:260:32:28

It came to light when my younger sister

0:32:280:32:31

started doing the family tree.

0:32:310:32:33

This is a press report?

0:32:330:32:34

Yes.

0:32:340:32:35

"Fisherman decorated."

0:32:360:32:38

"Congratulations of the Duke of Gloucester.

0:32:390:32:42

"Fought shark to save shipmate."

0:32:420:32:44

This sounds like something out of a Boy's Own Annual.

0:32:460:32:49

Yes, it's quite a story.

0:32:490:32:51

"Bond begged him to leave him as he was finished

0:32:510:32:54

"and try himself to get back to the ship."

0:32:540:32:57

But your uncle "kept hold of him

0:32:570:32:59

"and swam until the skipper manoeuvred the Northern Pride

0:32:590:33:01

"towards them."

0:33:010:33:03

So that took 40 minutes?

0:33:030:33:04

-Yes.

-Wow!

0:33:040:33:06

How extraordinary!

0:33:070:33:10

Being a ship's cook, I don't think he liked his own food,

0:33:100:33:12

he was trying to get off!

0:33:120:33:14

He just wanted to come up for some fresh air!

0:33:140:33:16

-Yeah.

-How remarkable!

0:33:160:33:19

This medal has been passed down the family?

0:33:190:33:21

No, it was sold by my uncle.

0:33:210:33:24

My sister, when she was doing the research on this, she found it.

0:33:240:33:28

It had been auctioned,

0:33:280:33:30

and she contacted the dealer who'd bought it

0:33:300:33:33

and she bought it back off him.

0:33:330:33:35

Why did your uncle sell it?

0:33:350:33:37

I've no idea. I don't know why.

0:33:370:33:39

He probably needed money at the time, yeah.

0:33:390:33:43

-Well, thank you for sharing the story.

-It's all right, yeah.

0:33:430:33:46

-That's one I will remember for a long time.

-Yeah.

0:33:460:33:50

As far as the medal goes, I think Jon Baddeley is your man,

0:33:500:33:54

but clearly, in terms of his story, and his contribution,

0:33:540:33:59

-you can't put a value on that, can you?

-No, no, you can't.

0:33:590:34:03

Here we have two guns,

0:34:060:34:08

both serving a similar purpose, self-defence.

0:34:080:34:13

That is the French idea

0:34:130:34:15

of a self-defence pistol.

0:34:150:34:17

5mm pin-fire with all the stopping power of a wet tissue!

0:34:170:34:21

This, on the other hand,

0:34:220:34:24

is the English idea of a self-defence pistol.

0:34:240:34:27

Double-action.

0:34:290:34:30

Six-shot, and if you don't get him with the first six,

0:34:310:34:34

you can deploy a spring bayonet on him.

0:34:340:34:37

How come you've got such contrasting pistols?

0:34:380:34:44

I've always had an interest in the history of firearms

0:34:440:34:49

and I bought these two some years ago.

0:34:490:34:51

I had some others.

0:34:510:34:53

I bought them because

0:34:530:34:54

they show the characteristics you're mentioning there.

0:34:540:34:59

That is a really well-built English so-called transitional revolver.

0:34:590:35:04

This one was the type of thing which a gentleman would slip in his pocket

0:35:040:35:10

in La Place Pigalle, I suppose.

0:35:100:35:13

It's a cigar case, basically,

0:35:130:35:15

but when the gentleman opened it to get out a cigar,

0:35:150:35:19

there we have a revolver.

0:35:190:35:21

So, they're both of a similar period, 1850s, 1860s.

0:35:210:35:25

No maker on that one, it's just a French pistol.

0:35:270:35:30

That's a local maker, Balchin, I think it is?

0:35:300:35:33

Edmund Balchin, yes.

0:35:330:35:34

Edmund Balchin, from Hull.

0:35:340:35:36

To give you an idea of the thing,

0:35:380:35:39

he made those, but he also made harpoon guns as well.

0:35:390:35:42

You can see the sort of thing.

0:35:420:35:43

I'm going to make this a real stopper.

0:35:430:35:46

What did you pay for the little French one?

0:35:460:35:48

I think it was around about £300

0:35:480:35:50

about 10 or 11 years ago.

0:35:500:35:52

The contrast between the two...

0:35:520:35:54

I mean, that is archetypally French.

0:35:540:35:57

It's so elegant, and I think you'd also find

0:35:570:35:59

some of the more interesting French ladies would be using that as well.

0:35:590:36:03

-Indeed.

-That, no.

0:36:030:36:05

No other race in the world could make anything like that.

0:36:050:36:09

It's just... Let's just have another look at it.

0:36:090:36:11

The size of the ball, that's half-inch,

0:36:130:36:16

that's going to ruin your day at 20 yards.

0:36:160:36:20

-Yes.

-It'll ruin your day six times.

0:36:200:36:22

It's beautifully engraved, open-scroll,

0:36:230:36:27

wonderful chequering.

0:36:270:36:29

That is chequered by hand.

0:36:290:36:32

It's perfect.

0:36:320:36:34

It's absolutely superb.

0:36:340:36:36

Steel furniture, none of your fancy nonsense on this!

0:36:370:36:42

It's just a wonderful...

0:36:420:36:44

And it's in glorious condition.

0:36:440:36:46

Now, values.

0:36:460:36:48

Do the French one first.

0:36:480:36:51

People like little -

0:36:510:36:52

and that's elegant and little and it's in a lovely case.

0:36:520:36:57

At auction...

0:36:570:36:59

£450?

0:37:000:37:02

-Perhaps five.

-That's fine.

0:37:020:37:04

This - I could see that making £1,000.

0:37:050:37:10

It's such a nice thing.

0:37:110:37:13

If I had £1,000, I'd be trying to buy it.

0:37:130:37:16

I think they're just wonderful.

0:37:160:37:18

Well, I am going to sell it in a few weeks' time.

0:37:180:37:20

Oh, don't tempt me, don't tempt me!

0:37:200:37:22

I never would have expected to see

0:37:240:37:27

a beautiful Maori fish-hook here in Hull.

0:37:270:37:29

I mean, how did you happen to bring that here?

0:37:290:37:33

Well, we see the Antiques Roadshow in New Zealand,

0:37:330:37:36

and when we were coming to England

0:37:360:37:39

we researched the various sites that you had,

0:37:390:37:42

and as this one is in Burton Constable at Holderness -

0:37:420:37:45

our surname is Holderness, we had to come.

0:37:450:37:48

Well, there are fish-hooks and there are fish-hooks.

0:37:480:37:51

You know this is a fish-hook, don't you?

0:37:510:37:53

-Yes, I do.

-And you know where it's from, don't you?

0:37:530:37:55

It's from New Zealand.

0:37:550:37:57

Yes, it's a Maori fish-hook, called a pa kahawai.

0:37:570:38:03

-Is that right?

-Yes, pa kahawai.

0:38:030:38:05

That's right, yeah. And it's a type of matau,

0:38:050:38:08

which is a general name for Maori fish-hooks.

0:38:080:38:13

It's a nice one.

0:38:130:38:15

Is it something that you've inherited, something you found?

0:38:150:38:18

Well, our grandfather used to go fishing from Wellington Harbour.

0:38:180:38:22

We're just over from Wellington,

0:38:220:38:24

and he used to catch the ferry from Wellington to Days Bay

0:38:240:38:27

and hike over the hill to a fishing batch,

0:38:270:38:29

and when he was going one day he found this in the bush,

0:38:290:38:31

just lying in the bush.

0:38:310:38:33

-When would that have been?

-Probably, we think, around 1910.

0:38:330:38:36

Wow. Well, it's older than that.

0:38:360:38:39

That's amazing, to actually be in the presence

0:38:390:38:43

of something that was actually found.

0:38:430:38:46

This is a trawling lure, and they hung these out of the canoes,

0:38:460:38:50

at the back of the canoes,

0:38:500:38:52

as they were going in and out of the estuaries

0:38:520:38:54

and along the coastal waters,

0:38:540:38:56

and it's for surface fishing, or for catching fish like barracuda

0:38:560:39:00

that surface-feed.

0:39:000:39:02

They're on a long line of flax, some of which is left here.

0:39:020:39:06

They're made of wood

0:39:070:39:10

and this is abalone.

0:39:100:39:11

What do the Maori call it?

0:39:110:39:13

We call it paua. The canoes they used were called waka ama,

0:39:130:39:18

which is the fishing canoe.

0:39:180:39:20

This would have hung out the back of that.

0:39:200:39:22

The abalone would have sparkled in the water like a fish,

0:39:220:39:27

and the barracuda, or a surface-feeding fish,

0:39:270:39:29

would have thought this was a fish and got lured and caught

0:39:290:39:35

on this bone hook.

0:39:350:39:37

I have to give it a value for the Roadshow audience,

0:39:380:39:42

even though it's a family heirloom and of sentimental value,

0:39:420:39:45

but one comparable to this

0:39:450:39:49

came up recently

0:39:490:39:50

and was valued at £1,800 to £2,200.

0:39:500:39:54

As much as that?

0:39:540:39:56

We'd never have thought of that.

0:39:560:39:58

That's quite surprising, but it won't be sold.

0:39:590:40:01

So, this was a medal awarded to your uncle, Noel Kinch,

0:40:050:40:09

in, I think, the 1930s,

0:40:090:40:10

-for an act of outstanding bravery?

-Yes.

0:40:100:40:13

Fiona told me the story, and what an incredible story.

0:40:130:40:16

This here is the Northern Pride, which he served on board?

0:40:160:40:19

Yes, that's the trawler that my uncle was a ship's cook on.

0:40:190:40:24

-He was the ship's cook?

-Yeah.

0:40:240:40:25

His home port was Grimsby?

0:40:250:40:28

Yes, he sailed from Grimsby.

0:40:280:40:30

Because one maybe forgets nowadays

0:40:300:40:33

that both Grimsby and Hull were massive fishing ports

0:40:330:40:36

in the 19th and 20th century

0:40:360:40:38

and, sadly, not so much today.

0:40:380:40:40

-Yes.

-But he must have been a superhero locally?

-Yes.

0:40:400:40:45

Well, I don't know, actually,

0:40:450:40:46

because nobody knew about this story.

0:40:460:40:48

-He never bragged?

-He never bragged, no.

0:40:480:40:51

The medal, called the Stanhope Medal,

0:40:510:40:53

was issued by the Royal Humane Society.

0:40:530:40:57

That society was founded way back in 1774, I think,

0:40:570:41:01

in order to research into methods of reviving people who had drowned,

0:41:010:41:07

and they issued the first of these medals 100 years later,

0:41:070:41:14

so, 1873-1874, something like that.

0:41:140:41:18

The remarkable thing about it is they only issued one every year.

0:41:200:41:24

So, what you have is something that is incredibly scarce,

0:41:240:41:30

intrinsically valued because it's solid gold

0:41:300:41:34

and, most importantly,

0:41:340:41:35

is the history and the story.

0:41:350:41:37

So, you have something...

0:41:370:41:38

I mean, it's something you're never going to get rid of.

0:41:380:41:41

-No.

-It will remain in the family forever?

0:41:410:41:43

-Yes.

-Which is exactly where it should be.

-Yes.

0:41:430:41:46

But, thinking of value,

0:41:460:41:49

it's got everything.

0:41:490:41:50

With medals, it is always the story,

0:41:500:41:52

and you cannot get a better story than that.

0:41:520:41:56

I would certainly think at auction, should it ever go to auction,

0:41:560:41:59

you'd be thinking about a figure of between £6,000 and £10,000.

0:41:590:42:03

Wow! Yeah.

0:42:030:42:05

But it could be more. Who knows?

0:42:070:42:08

Yes.

0:42:080:42:10

You've brought along to me what has to be, without question,

0:42:150:42:20

the smallest toilet pedestal in the world.

0:42:200:42:22

Are you a toilet collector?

0:42:220:42:24

I've got a friend and he digs bottles up as a hobby and he said,

0:42:240:42:28

-"Do you want to buy it off me?"

-Yeah?

0:42:280:42:29

So I gave him £100 for it.

0:42:290:42:31

This was on a stall and I asked the lady if I could pick it up,

0:42:380:42:42

and she explained to me what it did,

0:42:420:42:44

and when I saw what it did I thought it's really clever.

0:42:440:42:48

This was almost certainly made as a travelling salesman's model.

0:42:510:42:55

-Yes.

-And no surprise that it's actually made by Doulton.

0:42:550:42:58

This is cutting-edge stuff, isn't it,

0:42:580:43:00

when it comes to engineering.

0:43:000:43:02

Were you horribly shocked?

0:43:040:43:05

Yeah, but it's quite amusing.

0:43:050:43:09

And people said the Victorians were straight-laced!

0:43:090:43:11

It's a great bit of fun,

0:43:110:43:13

people love these rather slightly risque pieces.

0:43:130:43:16

You paid £10 for it.

0:43:160:43:18

I think I could see a collector paying £100 for that.

0:43:180:43:21

-Really?

-Because where would you find another one?

0:43:210:43:23

Well, I know exactly what it's worth, because you've just told me,

0:43:270:43:31

because, to you, that is worth £100.

0:43:310:43:33

But when you think about it, £100 is cheap,

0:43:330:43:36

because there'll come a time in your life

0:43:360:43:39

when you'll be desperate to spend a penny!

0:43:390:43:42

LAUGHTER

0:43:420:43:44

Jack, you live here in Burton Constable,

0:43:470:43:48

this has been in your family for hundreds of years.

0:43:480:43:51

You've brought this from the chapel

0:43:510:43:53

and it has a particularly emotional significance for your family?

0:43:530:43:57

Yes, this is my great-granduncle Cecil's crucifix,

0:43:570:44:01

which he wore around his neck

0:44:010:44:03

throughout his life.

0:44:030:44:04

He was a soldier in the First World War and in the Second World War.

0:44:040:44:07

Cecil had been a prisoner of war in the First World War

0:44:070:44:10

for the entire war, apart from his first six days,

0:44:100:44:14

from the age of 21.

0:44:140:44:16

And he said there was no way

0:44:160:44:17

he was going to be a prisoner of war in the Second World War as well,

0:44:170:44:21

and so he last seen heading out to meet the SS, pistol in hand.

0:44:210:44:25

He thought it was over for his troops, did he?

0:44:250:44:28

He thought there was no way he could escape,

0:44:280:44:30

and he was not going to be a prisoner of war again.

0:44:300:44:32

-So he decided he would go down in a blaze of gunfire and glory?

-Exactly.

0:44:320:44:36

As he lay dying from his wounds,

0:44:360:44:38

this young Lance-Corporal, Alfons Dahlhoff,

0:44:380:44:41

who was a Grenadier for the SS,

0:44:410:44:43

came across him and saw his crucifix hanging from his neck.

0:44:430:44:45

So this was a German soldier?

0:44:450:44:47

Yes, it was a German soldier, who was a fellow Catholic,

0:44:470:44:49

and sat by him in his last moments,

0:44:490:44:52

comforting him in his death throes.

0:44:520:44:54

And Cecil was able to give him both the crucifix

0:44:540:44:57

and his last letters home,

0:44:570:44:59

which he had in his pocket,

0:44:590:45:00

to send to Burton Constable,

0:45:000:45:03

and many months later,

0:45:030:45:04

the family received a package in the war from Alfons' mother,

0:45:040:45:08

saying, "I know we're still at war,

0:45:080:45:10

"but I thought you should know

0:45:100:45:11

"that your son died in the arms of a fellow Catholic.

0:45:110:45:13

"My son, too, sadly died a few weeks later,

0:45:130:45:17

"and here is a picture of him,

0:45:170:45:19

"and we'd like you to pray for him as well."

0:45:190:45:22

And so it was a very touching moment of serenity and kindness

0:45:220:45:26

in such a chaotic and cruel world.

0:45:260:45:29

And what this is is a symbol of two men

0:45:290:45:31

who put aside their differences

0:45:310:45:33

and the fact their two countries were trying to kill each other...

0:45:330:45:36

-Yes.

-..and saw the common humanity

0:45:360:45:39

at the most desperate of times.

0:45:390:45:41

Exactly.

0:45:410:45:42

Well, here's a scrap of paper

0:45:460:45:47

which is almost so ephemeral as not to even be there.

0:45:470:45:50

Can I read it?

0:45:500:45:52

-Yes, please do.

-"June 12, 1919.

0:45:520:45:55

"My Dear Elsie, just a hurried line before I start.

0:45:550:45:59

"This letter will travel with me in the official mailbag,

0:45:590:46:03

"the first mail to be carried over the Atlantic."

0:46:030:46:06

"Love to all, your loving brother Jack."

0:46:070:46:10

So, Jack - this must be Jack Alcock?

0:46:110:46:14

That's right. He was born John.

0:46:140:46:17

Everybody called him Jack, so he signed his letter Jack.

0:46:170:46:20

Jack Alcock was my grandmother's cousin.

0:46:210:46:25

He was a pilot and there was a competition in the Daily Mail,

0:46:270:46:33

and the prize was £10,000 for the first to cross the Atlantic nonstop.

0:46:330:46:39

He decided to try with Arthur Whitten Brown

0:46:390:46:43

and they flew from Newfoundland

0:46:430:46:46

and crash-landed in a bog in Ireland.

0:46:460:46:50

But...survived.

0:46:500:46:53

And went on to...

0:46:530:46:55

They won the £10,000.

0:46:550:46:58

So these two men, these two brave men,

0:46:580:47:00

-were the first to fly nonstop across the Atlantic?

-That's correct.

0:47:000:47:03

St John's, at the top here.

0:47:030:47:04

-Yes.

-This is St John's of Newfoundland.

0:47:040:47:06

Yes. Yes.

0:47:060:47:08

And what were they flying in?

0:47:080:47:10

This is in 1919.

0:47:100:47:11

Yes, they were flying in a Vickers Vimy,

0:47:110:47:15

which they'd adapted a little bit for the flight.

0:47:150:47:19

A Vickers Vimy, it's a First World War bomber, essentially.

0:47:190:47:21

A twin-engined bomber

0:47:210:47:23

designed for the offensive against Germany,

0:47:230:47:26

it was able to fly from Britain to Germany,

0:47:260:47:30

hence its range, I suppose.

0:47:300:47:32

But no-one had tested it over the kind of range

0:47:320:47:35

of the North Atlantic,

0:47:350:47:37

so it was an extraordinarily brave feat.

0:47:370:47:40

And Elsie was his sister?

0:47:400:47:42

Elsie was his sister, yes.

0:47:420:47:44

And so what you have here

0:47:440:47:46

is one of the first pieces of paper,

0:47:460:47:48

the first piece of airmail that went across the Atlantic.

0:47:480:47:51

I find that something to conjure with.

0:47:510:47:53

-Yes.

-And, of course, there's a tragic coda to it, isn't there?

0:47:530:47:57

-Yes.

-Because, despite their bravery,

0:47:570:48:00

and their success flying across the Atlantic,

0:48:000:48:02

really against the odds,

0:48:020:48:04

-later that year...

-Yes, in December...

0:48:040:48:07

..he crash-landed in France.

0:48:080:48:11

So before 1919 was out...

0:48:120:48:14

-He was dead.

-Jack was no longer with us.

0:48:140:48:16

-That's right.

-So this makes this even more moving, I think.

0:48:160:48:20

-Yes.

-So...

0:48:200:48:21

I think it's a wonderful scrap of paper.

0:48:220:48:25

I mean, it's almost nothing to look at, but it means so much, I think.

0:48:250:48:28

Of course, there's no postmark on this, there's no envelope,

0:48:280:48:33

and so, in this sense, it's not stamped, it's not official mail.

0:48:330:48:36

It's a personal note.

0:48:360:48:37

So in a sense, its value is more personal than to a postal historian.

0:48:380:48:43

I think I'd be very happy to put a figure of £1,000-£1,200 on it.

0:48:450:48:49

Oh. Wow!

0:48:490:48:51

Wow!

0:48:510:48:52

This is a very elegant bronze statue,

0:48:570:49:02

which I could easily imagine

0:49:020:49:04

in a chic Parisian or New York apartment of about 1960,

0:49:040:49:09

really looking the bee's knees, and a real statement piece.

0:49:090:49:14

So, does it live in your Paris or New York apartment?

0:49:140:49:18

Well, not at the moment, no!

0:49:180:49:20

It lives with us in Hull.

0:49:200:49:22

-In Hull?

-In Hull.

0:49:220:49:24

So how did you come by her?

0:49:240:49:26

We've only had her for about three, four months, something like that.

0:49:260:49:29

-OK.

-I bought her from a friend.

0:49:300:49:34

She came to us via a third party.

0:49:340:49:36

She'd been sold and we were offered the opportunity of buying her,

0:49:360:49:40

and that's about three or four months ago.

0:49:400:49:42

OK. So you like her.

0:49:420:49:44

Do you have a taste for Art Deco things?

0:49:440:49:46

Very much so. My wife particularly does,

0:49:460:49:49

and she is just beautiful.

0:49:490:49:51

-She is.

-She really is.

0:49:510:49:52

And dare I ask, how much did she cost you?

0:49:520:49:54

I own a fish-and-chip shop in Bridlington...

0:49:540:49:57

-Right.

-..where she cost me £200,

0:49:570:50:00

plus ten fish and chips.

0:50:000:50:02

So a few fish suppers as well, thrown in?

0:50:020:50:04

-Yeah.

-Right, OK.

0:50:040:50:06

Well, it's not often we get, on the Antiques Roadshow,

0:50:060:50:08

pieces which have been part-exchanged for a fish supper,

0:50:080:50:11

so it'll be a first for me.

0:50:110:50:13

But let's take a closer look at her.

0:50:130:50:15

So, bronze on this limestone base,

0:50:150:50:19

influenced by the work of Barbara Hepworth

0:50:190:50:21

and the other sculptors working in this country

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in the Modernist school.

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And it's a very good piece.

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A dancer, I think we can safely say.

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Very like the Art Deco figures of Dimitri Chiparus.

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I'm thinking some of his figures from the 1930s.

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And it's a classic pose of the period,

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and with real style and real elegance.

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-Where do you have her at home?

-We have a turn on the stairs,

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and she is on the window on the turn on the stairs.

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Right, right. I think she's great, fantastic, really elegant piece.

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We do have a signature.

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Let's have a look. Underwood.

0:50:540:50:57

Do you know anything about Underwood?

0:50:570:50:59

Very little. I only know what I've looked up having bought her.

0:50:590:51:04

OK. I'll confess to something now.

0:51:040:51:05

When I first saw this name, Underwood,

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I immediately thought Leon Underwood,

0:51:080:51:10

who is one of the...

0:51:100:51:11

Well, he's reckoned to be one of the founding fathers

0:51:110:51:14

of 20th-century British sculpture.

0:51:140:51:16

It isn't. It's Guy Underwood.

0:51:160:51:19

-Right.

-So, if it was Leon Underwood

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we'd be talking many, many, many fish suppers.

0:51:210:51:24

As it is, Guy is still an interesting piece.

0:51:240:51:27

I mean, I think it represents the kind of object that WILL go up,

0:51:270:51:31

simply on its decorative appeal alone, and it has that in spades.

0:51:310:51:34

It's a really, really stylish piece.

0:51:340:51:37

It clearly gives you pleasure.

0:51:370:51:39

-You paid, you say...

-It's £200.

0:51:390:51:41

£200, plus a few fish suppers as well.

0:51:410:51:44

I think, actually, at auction,

0:51:440:51:46

in a good decorative-arts sale,

0:51:460:51:48

I think you could see a return on that, perhaps a little bit more,

0:51:480:51:52

-in the current market, £300 to £400.

-Yeah.

0:51:520:51:54

I think it's a good solid piece.

0:51:540:51:56

-Lovely.

-And well done, you, for the fish and chips!

0:51:560:51:59

Thank you.

0:51:590:52:00

So, absolutely surrounded by Georgian shoe buckles.

0:52:050:52:10

How did you get them?

0:52:100:52:11

Well, my husband, it was his...

0:52:110:52:15

My late husband, it was his collection,

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and he collected them for over 50 years.

0:52:170:52:21

That's marvellous. Because, you know,

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they had shoe buckles in the medieval period,

0:52:230:52:27

but then they went out of fashion,

0:52:270:52:28

and then they came back in the mid-17th century,

0:52:280:52:31

and people like Samuel Pepys wrote about putting buckles on his shoes.

0:52:310:52:35

But, of course, a lot of these

0:52:350:52:37

are from the golden period of shoe buckles,

0:52:370:52:39

from 1762 to 1780.

0:52:390:52:42

And what was your husband's fascination in them?

0:52:420:52:45

I don't really know. I mean, his father had a couple of pairs

0:52:450:52:50

which he gave to my husband.

0:52:500:52:53

And from then on, he just... He just liked them.

0:52:530:52:57

When we went to antique fairs,

0:52:570:52:58

we were always looking for shoe buckles.

0:52:580:53:00

We could go into a quite upmarket antique shop

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and we were probably paying two pounds,

0:53:040:53:06

two pounds ten shillings, something like that,

0:53:060:53:09

for a pair of Georgian shoe buckles.

0:53:090:53:12

-And did it become a little bit of an obsession?

-Yes.

0:53:120:53:15

THEY LAUGH

0:53:150:53:17

-Just a bit.

-Just a little bit!

0:53:170:53:18

-So, you're here with your family today?

-Yes.

0:53:180:53:21

What do you think about your father's collection?

0:53:210:53:23

I think it's amazing that he collected it over so many years.

0:53:230:53:27

He was so proud of it.

0:53:270:53:28

He researched them, he cleaned them,

0:53:280:53:32

he catalogued them.

0:53:320:53:34

He loved showing them to people, loved talking about them.

0:53:340:53:36

-And, yes, there is even more!

-THEY LAUGH

0:53:360:53:39

So, how many do we have in the full collection?

0:53:390:53:42

An awful lot.

0:53:420:53:44

Come on, you can tell me.

0:53:440:53:45

I've got about 1,500.

0:53:460:53:47

-1,500.

-1,500.

0:53:470:53:50

Well, I think we're going back to a little bit of an obsession.

0:53:500:53:54

Yes, it was rather!

0:53:540:53:56

It gives us such a feeling for the Georgian period,

0:53:560:53:59

with these dandies, men with these fabulous shoe buckles on,

0:53:590:54:03

going to houses like this,

0:54:030:54:05

and wearing all these fantastic buckles, with the paste ones,

0:54:050:54:10

and the silver ones, and really very romantic, too.

0:54:100:54:14

Yeah, it's hard to think it was men that wore these, not the women.

0:54:140:54:20

I mean, they had silver ones which they kept for best,

0:54:200:54:23

and they had more of the paste-type ones

0:54:230:54:26

which was more or less an everyday type of buckle.

0:54:260:54:29

Which is quite funny,

0:54:290:54:31

when you look at some of the paste ones and see them,

0:54:310:54:33

-they're quite dramatic, aren't they?

-Yeah.

0:54:330:54:35

-They're not understated, are they?

-No, no.

0:54:350:54:37

I love these creamware ones.

0:54:370:54:41

I mean, they are absolutely so beautiful, and so impractical.

0:54:410:54:47

Well, this is partially why there aren't that many around,

0:54:470:54:51

because obviously they got broken.

0:54:510:54:53

We did go to Northampton Museum once and saw the curator,

0:54:540:55:00

and at that time she only knew of about five pairs

0:55:000:55:04

of those particular shoe buckles.

0:55:040:55:06

I mean, obviously, as soon as you put them on,

0:55:060:55:08

they would break.

0:55:080:55:09

You can't imagine they would survive one single wearing.

0:55:090:55:13

But, of course, the others are much more practical and beautiful.

0:55:130:55:17

And, well, what do I say about value?

0:55:180:55:22

-Don't know.

-THEY LAUGH

0:55:220:55:24

If you just look at them

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and say that, you know, some of the lesser ones,

0:55:270:55:32

maybe £100 the pair.

0:55:320:55:35

Some of the more beautiful ones in these cases,

0:55:350:55:40

maybe £500 to £700 a pair.

0:55:400:55:42

And if you take the creamware ones,

0:55:420:55:45

I would certainly see them very easily fetching £1,000.

0:55:450:55:51

So, if you look at the collection as a whole,

0:55:510:55:55

and it's pretty staggering to me,

0:55:550:55:57

I think we're looking here, with your collection,

0:55:570:56:00

at £200,000.

0:56:000:56:02

Oh, God.

0:56:020:56:04

-Staggering.

-Oh, my God.

0:56:070:56:09

Well, we don't really sort of think of that, you know.

0:56:090:56:12

I mean, they're a collection and we are keeping the collection.

0:56:120:56:16

And it will get passed down to my three daughters

0:56:160:56:21

and possibly even further down the line than that.

0:56:210:56:25

But he just loved them. Just absolutely loved them.

0:56:250:56:28

Well, isn't it lovely that you've got this lovely inheritance,

0:56:280:56:32

you've got your daughters and granddaughter -

0:56:320:56:34

you know, it's a lovely family story.

0:56:340:56:36

Yes.

0:56:390:56:40

I should think he would be so proud

0:56:420:56:43

to see his remarkable shoe-buckle collection

0:56:430:56:46

displayed on the Antiques Roadshow.

0:56:460:56:48

Did you know that two of our specialists

0:56:480:56:49

used to collect shoe buckles?

0:56:490:56:51

Philip Mould, our art expert -

0:56:510:56:52

that was his first collection when he was a boy.

0:56:520:56:55

And Ronnie Archer-Morgan, our miscellaneous specialist,

0:56:550:56:57

he still collects them, even today.

0:56:570:56:59

From Burton Constable and the whole Roadshow team,

0:56:590:57:02

and the shoe buckles, bye-bye.

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