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For centuries, Gloucestershire has inspired poets, painters

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and composers.

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And it was here that an American poet wrote some of the most

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frequently quoted lines in all of poetry.

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We'll find out which ones later on in the show

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but right now, here's a clue.

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"Flog It!" is either this way or that way.

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Well, I hope I've chosen the right one. Welcome to the show.

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Actually, I'll go this way.

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Dominating the landscape is Gloucester Cathedral,

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our spectacular venue for today.

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Originally built as a church for the Benedictine monks

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in the 11th century, it was embellished in the 14th century

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with the uniquely British perpendicular style.

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Basically, adding panels of fine stone tracery to the Norman walls

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resulting in one of the most exquisite

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medieval buildings in the country.

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Now, you could say we know a thing or two about queues

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on "Flog It!" but we're in good company here,

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such are the treasures inside

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the cathedral that people have been queueing to get in for centuries.

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Let's catch up with our experts,

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Philip Serrell and Catherine Southon

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and eavesdrop on a little of their learned deliberation.

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-Any goodies?

-Yeah, they've turned out in their legions, haven't they?

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Very interesting items, not quite the norm, which is good.

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-Yeah, good old Norm. I always liked Norm.

-You like Norm?

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Yeah, he's a good bloke.

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Well, one can only hope they are more in illuminating at the tables.

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Well, I think it's time we let this magnificent crowd go inside,

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sit down and hand the proceedings over to our experts.

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Let's get valuing. Come on, everybody.

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Coming up on the show, we have three beautifully crafted items

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which, in their time, would have been in everyday use.

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Which one of these treasures will surprise us

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by reaching double its estimate?

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Copper jelly moulds.

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They really were the preserve

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of the very best kitchens in the land.

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I'm surprised that there's no damage on this at all.

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It is absolutely superb on every single side.

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Don't be surprised, don't expect it, but don't be surprised

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if it just eats into four figures for us.

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Stay watching to find out.

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Well, with everyone now safely seated inside this

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magnificent cathedral, it's time to get started.

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And soon, this space will be echoing to the delighted

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sounds of reactions from our experts' valuations.

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So, without further ado, let's see the first one.

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And it's Philip first at the table.

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-I think these are really lovely, June.

-Thank you.

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Really, really, really lovely.

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Unfortunately, there's an "unfortunately" coming,

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they're very much of an age gone by.

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Not just in use but in collectability.

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And this is from an age when jelly moulds...

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And they weren't just for jelly they were for savouries. Yes.

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-It was done in some style, wasn't it?

-Aspic and...wonderful.

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-And these are mid-19th century, I would think.

-Probably.

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And copper jelly moulds or savoury moulds, they really were

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the preserve of the very best kitchens in the land, you know?

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-If you didn't quite have the quality you'd have had a tin mould.

-Mm-hmm.

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But you can go into all the great stately homes and they would

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have had a wonderful array of copper moulds hanging on the wall.

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And this one here, we can tell from the marks, is by Benham & Froud.

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-Really?

-And they were sort of, in a way, perhaps one of the Rolls-Royce

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-makers of the moulds.

-Really?

-Yeah. And I think they're lovely.

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But there's a "but".

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And these, now,

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are probably making less money than they were 25 years ago.

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-What a shame.

-It's a crying shame. Why is that?

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Well, I suspect that people don't want to clean them.

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It also falls into, what I call, the stuff category

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and young people today don't want stuff.

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-No, they don't want memorabilia.

-No, they certainly, certainly don't.

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They don't want memories at all.

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Question - have you ever made jelly in these?

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-When I was smaller, they were used quite often.

-Really?

-Yes.

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-And what do you think they're worth now?

-A lot of money.

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I think, at auction,

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we can put an estimate on these of sort of £60-£90.

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And I'd probably put a fixed reserve of £50. How does that sound?

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-Wonderful.

-Good.

-It's a good meal out.

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-Well, yeah, it might be a meal for two.

-You're coming with me.

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Absolutely, yes. Never miss a date.

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Oh, dear, Philip. I don't think June meant you.

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Now, let's fly over to Catherine's table.

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Leslie, the butterfly is symbolic of transformation and elegance

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and certainly we've got an elegant piece here.

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Where did you get this brooch?

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I was given it by my mother-in-law

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and it was her mother's before that.

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But she wouldn't wear it because she was very plain

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and I sort of said,

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"Well, look, you've got to wear it." She said, "No, I don't."

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So I took it off her hands and wore it a couple of times, two or three.

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But it had to be worn on a plain... Like your dress, plain.

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-But it's been in the drawer for the past...

-It hasn't been loved.

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..15 years. Well, it's been loved but it's been in the drawer loved.

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Right. Well, it is a showy piece. It shouldn't be in a drawer.

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It's there to be worn.

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I'm just going to have a look at it cos you said on a dress like mine.

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Well, put it on yours, yes.

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Because, actually, against the navy,

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that really brings out the sapphires that we've got there.

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And the diamonds are just sparkling.

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We've got a mixture of diamonds here, we've got

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some brilliant-cut diamonds and then we've got some old-cut diamonds.

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We've got sapphires going down the middle of the butterfly

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and then here we've got two pearls which been joined together.

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It's unmarked...

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..but I would say it's probably 18 carat.

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As I'm turning it over I'm seeing that there's a little hole here.

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This probably could have been adapted to be used as a hairpiece.

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-Wow, isn't it beautiful?

-What do you think?

-Very nice. Suits you.

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So maybe you might reconsider it as a hairpiece.

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-No.

-LAUGHTER

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You're beyond that.

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The date of this is Victorian.

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This is late Victorian.

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Jewellery with insects on, bees, wasps,

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-butterflies...are very popular at auction.

-Uh-huh.

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I would probably put an estimate of 1,000-1,500

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but it wouldn't surprise me if it made a bit more than that.

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-That would be nice.

-It would be very nice.

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Let's put it in, anyway, to auction. 1,000-1,500, with a £900 reserve.

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Can I put a higher reserve on it?

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-What would you like the reserve to be?

-Well, I want the fixed...

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I was hoping for about 1,200.

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If we put a reserve of 1,200 then we have to increase the estimate

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because we can't really put...

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-Right, well, can I put it on at 1,000, then?

-£1,000.

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-Let's put a reserve of £1,000.

-That would be lovely, Catherine.

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-And hope it flies away.

-Wee!

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Well, it's certainly pretty enough to do that.

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Now, I have some special people I would like you to meet.

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Now, great historic buildings like this cannot survive

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without the help of volunteers and, of course, guides.

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And I'm sitting between two right now. And what's your name?

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-Susan Hamilton.

-Susan. And...?

-Jaq Hyam.

-Jaq?

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Now, that's an unusual name.

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Now, you're a well-seasoned guide, aren't you?

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-I'm afraid so.

-How many years here?

-Oh, about 18 years.

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So you must know every nook and cranny and every nail.

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Oh, you'd think so, but every visitor who comes in seems to point

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out something that we don't know.

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PAUL LAUGHS They've got sharp eyes.

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-And how long have you been here?

-Since Tuesday.

-Oh, gosh.

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Two days I've been a guide. No, not long at all.

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-Two days. I did my assessment on Tuesday.

-It's a tough test, is it?

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Erm, it's quite a tough test.

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You have to go around with a Canon and three experienced guides

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and you have to do it within particular timeframe,

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you have to include certain things in it, so...

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So you have to talk confidently about things

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-and know your facts and dates.

-Yes.

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And you passed with flying colours, did she pass with flying colours?

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She did, yes, yes.

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So we're very happy for her to join our team.

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Mind you, of course, she went in for 15 weeks of intensive training.

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-15 weeks?!

-15 weeks of training, yes.

-Wow, 15 weeks of training?

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-A lot of reading.

-Walking round and being told things.

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Oh, do you know? I envy you, really.

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Because you will know the heart and soul of this

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-building after a few years, won't you?

-Mmm, I will indeed.

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-Well, look, good luck both of you.

-Thank you.

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-I know you both love your jobs.

-Yes.

-Yes.

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It's a dream place. This is your office.

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THEY LAUGH

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Another way to brush up on your history is to listen

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to our experts as they unlock the stories behind the items here today.

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-Nancy, how are you?

-I'm very well, thank you.

-Are you a Gloucester girl?

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-No, I'm a Birmingham girl, or a Brummie.

-You're a Brummie?

-Yes.

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How did you get down here? Who brought you down here?

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Well, we lost our money in Birmingham

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-so we thought we could make it in the forest.

-And did you?

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-To a degree, yes.

-You did all right? What did you do?

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We opened up a... What they called a junk shop.

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So, you've got a bit of insider knowledge here, haven't you?

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Well, not as much as I would have liked. But, yeah.

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And did these come into your antique shop?

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Erm, one was an exchange with a very nice lady.

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Did a few favours and she wanted a sugar shaker I'd got,

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-a cranberry one.

-Yeah.

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And I didn't want to charge for it and she gave me the clock.

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Can I just stop you just there for one minute?

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The first rule of business, right,

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if you're going to run an antique shop, you can't give stuff away.

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-Oh, is that right?

-You've got to charge people for things.

-Oh, I see.

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-Well, I did, I got the clock.

-You swapped a clock.

-Yes.

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I'm not sure not sure about this but my husband had it, I think

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it may have come from his family, I don't know.

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So, who dropped it?

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I was dusting the mantelpiece and it went...

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-SHE MIMICS CLOCK SLIPPING

-Shall we just spin it round?

-Yup.

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Now, you can just see there, it's shattered, hasn't it?

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And this is a reason why I do not advocate dusting.

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Well, I don't very often! Try not to.

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I don't believe in housework.

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All right, let me just tell you that

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they're French and these are carriage clocks

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and originally they would have come in a little leather case with

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a box and you could open the front of the case. And so you could

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still read the time because it was in its case and, presumably, they're

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called carriage clock because you could take them around with you.

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And you get all sorts of different carriage clocks, you can

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have repeaters, you can have

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ones that have got champleve decoration, they're painted.

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-These really...

-Communal garden.

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Well, I wasn't going to put it quite like that.

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I was going to say that these are the bottom rung

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in the ladder of carriage clocks.

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-But it was worth a sugar shaker.

-Yeah, yeah, absolutely right, yeah.

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What were you hoping they're worth?

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Well, let's turn it round another way. What was your sugar shaker worth?

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At the time, £40, something like that.

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£40. Well, that seems like a good number to me, £40.

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-Because I was thinking, we put these into auction as one lot.

-Yes.

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Because this one's really had it so they're one lot,

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estimate them at £60-£90 and put a reserve on them at £50 for the two.

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-That's fine.

-Happy?

-Yes, I'm quite happy.

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-Shall we just hope that time flies?

-Yes, obviously.

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And it has flown by because that is the end of our first three

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valuations, so let's have a quick reminder of what we're

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taking with us to auction.

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Here's hoping the bidders take a liking to June's

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highly decorative Victorian copper moulds.

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The butterfly brooch is a symbol of transformation,

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let's hope it transforms into some cash at the saleroom.

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And the pair of carriage clocks have damage

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and are not of the first order but they could appeal to a repairer.

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We travel to the outskirts of another Roman town,

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Cirencester, to Moore Allen & Innocent, our auctioneers for today.

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The excitement of the saleroom.

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Well, as you can see, the sale has just got under way.

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Auctioneer Philip Allwood is on the rostrum doing his stuff.

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It's down to that man to work wonders

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and get top dollar for our lots.

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I'm going to catch up with our owners

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and we'll get on with our first lot.

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Don't go away.

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Here is our first lot.

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-Nancy, good luck.

-Thank you very much.

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You could say time is up, and there's a clue.

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Yes, we are selling those two French carriage clocks.

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-One's damaged.

-Yes.

-Why are you selling these now?

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In case I break the other one. LAUGHTER

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-Oh, I see. Thinking ahead, I like that.

-I think she's got dropsy.

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Well, hopefully you haven't made a whoopsie on the valuation.

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-No, no, no.

-It's going under the hammer right now, this is it.

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Two of them, should be 100, really, shouldn't they?

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Start me at 50 to get on. 50 for the two. Pretty little one there,

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50. £30, then.

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At £20 a bid there. At £20, 5 anywhere now?

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At £20 at 5, at 25, 30 if you like.

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Now, 25, 30. 5, at 40.

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5, at 45, 45, 50 now. 50...

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-Oh, come on.

-At 45, 50 on the net.

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At £50 here. £50, 5. At 55, it's on the net. At 55, 60.

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-At £60, 5 anywhere now?

-Come on, come on, come on.

-At 5.

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At £70 it's on the net. 5. At 75, 80 now.

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All out in the room then at £75.

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Are you all sure at 75?

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-Oh.

-Gone, £75.

-Yes, I'm happy.

-Good.

-Yes, I'm happy.

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-Are you going to miss them?

-No.

-No?

-No.

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Well, no regrets there, then.

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Well, it's been hidden away sitting in a drawer for a few years now.

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I think it's time this one flew away, don't you?

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It belongs to Leslie and, yes,

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I am talking about that stunning butterfly brooch.

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-It is delightful and I'm so pleased that you wore it.

-I did.

-Yes.

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-And I bet it looked stunning on you.

-It looked lovely.

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You could wear this. Oh, you could wear this.

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-I fell in love with it.

-You'd never take it off.

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No, I wouldn't. It's just a special piece and it shines.

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It's going under the hammer right now, fingers crossed, please,

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let it make the top end. Here we go.

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Gold butterfly brooch set with a pearl and sapphires.

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And set with 64 various diamonds. Who will start me?

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Pretty little brooch there. Start me at 1,000, it would be cheap.

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1,000?

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-1,000.

-He said 1,000 is cheap and it is cheap.

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-Still seems cheap, at £800. At 800, 820 now if you like.

-Come on.

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-At £800 I'm bid. At 800. At 820, 850.

-It might...

-850, 850.

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-Someone in the room now, come on.

-At 850.

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Out on the left at 850. Sure now, then, at 850.

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Are you all done then now at 850?

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No.

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Well, thank goodness, thank goodness we put a reserve on it.

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-Well, we had to protect that.

-Never mind, I can go back home and wear it.

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Yeah, that's what reserves are for. Please, please,

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please don't put things into auction without a reserve.

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Discuss it with the auctioneer, with the rest of the family,

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settle on something that you're happy with and stick to it.

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-Yeah, yeah, and it's worth that again.

-Of course it is.

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-You can always try wearing it again.

-Well, I could, couldn't I?

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And it would look lovely.

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Now, for a bit of fun.

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Right, now it's wobble, wobble, wobble, jelly on a plate.

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Yes, it's these two jelly moulds!

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And I'm so pleased you brought those in.

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I love them, good Victorian jelly moulds.

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-These are quality, aren't they, Philip?

-They're the best.

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The best. Did you ever make some jelly with them?

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-Many years ago.

-And these are so collectable now.

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People just like to buy them,

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polish them up and put them on the Welsh Dresser.

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They're great dressers, aren't they? Just really good.

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Well, fingers crossed you can get a bit of money for these, OK?

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-Top end plus a little bit more.

-I hope so. I hope so.

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-Should do, shouldn't they?

-I'd like to think so,

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I'd like to think you could get 150 quid for these two.

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They're going under the hammer right now.

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And lot number 200 is the jelly moulds here.

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Good pieces, should do well. Where are you going to be?

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Start me at 100. Should be 100, really, shouldn't they?

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Start me at 100.

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50, then. At £50, a bid only of 55.

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60, 5, 70, 5,

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-80, 5, 90, 5.

-As far as I'm concerned, one's worth 80.

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110, 120, 130, 140.

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The book's out at 140, 150 now. At 140 in the room now.

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140, 150. At 150 on the net, 160.

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At 160. 170 now. At 170, 180.

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190, now, 180. At £180. 190. 200. At £200, 220 now.

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-At £200 on my left.

-That's good, isn't it?

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220 now on the net, if you like. At £200.

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Brilliant, 200 quid. That's a good result. That's what they're worth.

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-That's a lot of jelly that, isn't it?

-It is.

-At 200, are you done?

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Yes, fantastic. I'm so happy, you've got to be happy with that.

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I'm very happy.

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It's probably cost that much to keep them clean all those years.

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Well, there were no wobbles there. That was a good result.

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Well, that's it, that's our first visit to the saleroom over with.

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Done and dusted, three lots under the hammer and after all that

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excitement I need some fresh air, I need a change of scenery.

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I need this. Just look at that. The great English countryside.

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Now, that hasn't changed, that landscape, for centuries.

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In fact, this landscape inspired two poets to gravitate

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to this area in the early 1900s to work and write and live.

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So while we were in the area filming,

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I had the opportunity to find out

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more about them and their poetry.

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For a few brief years before World War I broke out,

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a small group of poets

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and writers gravitated to this idyllic corner of Gloucestershire

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with their families to live, work and write side-by-side.

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They sought a more peaceful life away from the hustle and bustle

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of London. It's distractions and high expenses.

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They chose to live here on the outskirts of Dymock.

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History now refers to them as the Dymock poets.

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Among their number was an American, Robert Frost

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and his British friend, Edward Thomas.

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They are now recognised as significant poets.

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Both their work is to be found in anthologies of best-loved poems.

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Which may not have been the case if they had never met.

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Now, a lot of you will recognise that poem called

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The Road Not Taken by the great American poet, Robert Frost,

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one of the greatest poets of the 20th century.

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What's not so well-known is that he moved to England with his

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family in 1912 in an attempt to get his poetry recognised and published.

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And in 1913, they moved into this small farm-labourer's cottage

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to enjoy the quiet country life

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and write poetry inspired by the surrounding countryside.

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And in 1914, they were joined by his friend,

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the other famous Dymock poet I mentioned earlier.

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And he moved into that house at the bottom of the field there

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with his family where they rented rooms.

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Adlestrop by the English poet Edward Thomas captures the English

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countryside and a lost way of life before the Great War so

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successfully that he's seen by many as the quintessential English poet.

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When Robert Frost and Edward Thomas first met in London in 1913

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they were both in their 30s.

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Thomas, who was earning a living by writing prose, was in

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a desperate state of mind plagued by depression and feelings of failure.

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It was with the American's encouragement that he

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found his voice as a poet.

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The two men's intense friendship was to change both their lives.

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They spent the summer of 1914 walking the fields

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and the lanes of Dymock, from dawn to dusk,

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talking about everything from marriage, to friendship,

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the wildlife... But most importantly, poetry.

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Events in the outside world soon caught up with them

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and it was here they heard the terrible news of Britain's

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decision to go to war with Germany.

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At the time, most people believed the conflict,

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although serious, would be over by Christmas time.

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No-one knew, least of all the two friends,

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how this war would come between them.

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Naturally, their thoughts turned to the future and their families.

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And together they settled on a plan that would make the lifestyle

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they were enjoying at Dymock more permanent.

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They would move to America, buy a farm and work, teach,

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and, most importantly, write side-by-side.

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You can imagine the excitement of the two friends,

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discussing the plans.

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On the surface, this seemed like the perfect solution,

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yet, on reflection, Thomas began to see the cracks.

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It would mean leaving his beloved England, his joy, his inspiration,

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perhaps for ever.

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He'd also begun thinking about enlisting, again,

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spurred by his deep love for his country.

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Thomas was plagued by indecision and he mentally wrestled

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with his two life-changing choices for the months ahead.

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Going to war was a daunting prospect for Thomas and a dramatic

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incident during a walk with Frost threw him into a further turmoil.

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I met academic Anna Stenning to hear about it.

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One evening they were walking back. We think they may have gone

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for a walk in the Malvern Hills, and they came back quite late.

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They found they were stopped by a gamekeeper who apparently

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had been waiting for them.

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He made it clear that they weren't allowed to be in the woods

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and he suspected them of poaching.

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Robert Frost was very annoyed about this, so he decides to walk

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with Edward Thomas to the gamekeeper's house,

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to follow him there. And wants to fight him.

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Then the gamekeeper threatened them with a shotgun.

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-So that's when he left.

-Really?

-Yes.

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And this incident was something that stuck with Thomas

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for a long time, didn't it?

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Yeah, I guess it was the first chance he had to be tested -

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how would he react to that sort of threat?

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So right up until the time he was in the trenches, it haunted him.

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He was wondering if he could keep his nerve.

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Sure, and I imagine, for the first time in your life,

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anybody pointing a gun at you, it would be quite serious

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and frightening, wouldn't it? You would remember that.

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The incident caused Thomas to doubt his courage.

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Would he be able to fight if he signed up?

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Just four months later, with the war in Europe raging,

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Frost and his family returned to the safety of America.

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It's widely believed that Thomas's indecision was

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the catalyst for Robert Frost's famous poem, The Road Not Taken.

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Thomas had written to Frost telling him about his eagerness to

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join him in America, but equally, his feelings about enlisting.

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And Frost's reply included a poem with some of the most famous

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lines in poetry.

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Thomas finally made his decision. Though he yearned to

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join his friend in America, the love for his country won out.

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He felt he must fight. He enlisted in July 1915.

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We can never know what finally changed Edward Thomas's mind

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about moving to America and his decision to enlist.

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Maybe it was Frost's poem, or his deep sense and love

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and connection for his country.

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Possibly it could have been a combination of the two.

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Edward Thomas died in the Battle of Arras

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on Easter Day in 1917.

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He was 39.

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It was Robert Frost who provided perhaps the most poignant

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obituary in a letter of condolence to Thomas's wife, Helen.

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"I want to see him to tell him something.

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"I want to tell him what I think he'd like to hear from me.

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"That he was a poet."

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Welcome back to our valuation day here at Gloucester Cathedral.

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It's now time to catch up with our experts, to see

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what else we can find to take off to auction.

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Sue, what a beautiful card case you've brought along to

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a beautiful setting - in fact, Gloucester Cathedral.

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This is a lovely card case. Tell me a little bit about it.

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-Where did you get it?

-It's a family piece.

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It's been in the family as long as I can remember,

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but I don't know where it came from.

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-Do you know if this was ever used in your family?

-Not as far as I know.

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Right. OK. So just something that was displayed

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or perhaps was it in a drawer?

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-In a drawer, more likely.

-Hidden away in a drawer.

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Well, I'll just tell you a little bit about it.

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Because, essentially, it's an ivory card case.

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The ladies would have had this in their handbags

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or in their purses when they were visiting places.

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They would have had their calling cards inside and then

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they would have left one of their calling cards.

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It's from the Canton province of China.

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The date of this is around circa 1900

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and this has all been hand-carved.

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Now, we have to be very careful, of course, with ivory,

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because of the laws.

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With this, it is pre-1947, which is the cut-off period.

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So it's perfectly legal to sell something like this.

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What I love about this is the amount of work that has gone into this.

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It is superb. It is very well carved.

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I have to tell you, they're not uncommon.

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I see these time and time again.

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And I'm surprised that there is no damage on this at all, because

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if you see there, you've got little protruding branches and what have you.

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None of that has been lifted off, none of it's been broken.

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It is absolutely superb on every single side.

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And that really helps when we're talking about estimates.

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-Have you any ideas on price?

-I haven't really, no.

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I imagine it would be worth £100 or more, but...I don't know.

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Right, I think you can treble that,

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because I think we'd be looking more in the region to £300-£500.

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-Really?

-And it wouldn't surprise me if it does towards

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-the top end of that.

-It is beautiful.

-It is beautiful.

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-Are you having second thoughts now, Sue?

-No, no, I'm not.

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-You're happy to let it go?

-I think so.

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Shall we put it at 300 to 500, and let's put it at 250 reserve.

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-That's fine.

-And let's hope it flies at the auction.

-I'm happy with that.

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Thank you very much.

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A good example there with no damage.

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Over to Philip now, who has a bit of a surprise.

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-It's Ann, isn't it?

-Yes.

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You know, out of all the things I thought I was going to see

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in Gloucester today, this is not one of them.

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-Tell me how you got it.

-Well, I got it from my mother when she died.

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I don't know how long she'd had it.

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I had her note inside, which said it was French, but beyond that...

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-Can have a look?

-Yes, of course.

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-Beyond that, I don't know anything about it at all.

-This is gold.

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This is tortoiseshell.

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And the note to which you referred there is Louis XVI there,

0:29:510:29:56

and just here, we've got some French import marks, or maker's marks.

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Which are around about... I would think...

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..1810, 1820, something like that.

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-Oh, it's quite old.

-Today, this would carry a health warning.

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But in those days, snuff taking was a very,

0:30:110:30:15

very sophisticated thing to do.

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And we've got this miniature scene on the front, which is

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-Pierrot and Columbine.

-Oh, right. Yes.

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My mother thought it was Gisele, but that's obviously wrong.

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No, I think it's Pierrot and Columbine.

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He's pining for his broken heart here.

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-If you look very carefully just there...

-Oh, yes.

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-Can you see you've got a little bit of a...?

-What do you call that?

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-Fogging?

-No, no, no, no, that's called a crack.

-Oh, is it?

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-Yes, that's worse than foxing.

-That's the word, yes.

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No, it's got a crack just down there.

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So there's a little bit of damage there

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and you've got some little bits of nicks just here and here.

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Now, why do you want to sell it?

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Like everybody else, it's just sitting in a china cabinet

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-and it's stuff.

-"Stuff," I like the word.

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Our sort of generation are the last of the stuff collectors

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and we all bought stuff and we all bought cabinets to put

0:31:030:31:06

stuff in and younger people today don't want stuff, do they?

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So now we know what it's made of - gold, tortoiseshell -

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-we know when it dates from, which is about 1810, 1820.

-Yes.

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We know where it comes from, which is France.

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And there's one thing we haven't discussed yet, which is what it's

0:31:200:31:23

worth. Have you got any idea what it's worth?

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Well, I would like it to be 500, but I don't know whether it is.

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Well...

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-I think we can put an estimate on it of £600-£900.

-Oh, right.

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-Good!

-We'll put a reserve on it of £500.

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Now, if you get a really good day in the saleroom

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and you get some competition for it, don't be surprised -

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don't expect it -

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but don't be surprised if it just eats into four figures for us.

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-That would be lovely.

-Fingers crossed.

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I think it's a lovely thing and thank you for bringing it.

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Thank you very much.

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That sounded like a nice surprise for Ann, as well.

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It is of course now illegal to buy tortoiseshell, but this snuffbox

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will be exempt from normal sales controls, as it predates June 1947.

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Well, in 13 years of "Flog It!" and just shy of 1,000 shows

0:32:110:32:15

under my belt, I've seen plenty of collections in my time,

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but I haven't seen a collection like this one before. Look at that.

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-A collection of matches. What's your name?

-Jill.

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Jill, why do you collect matches?

0:32:260:32:29

My father collected them and brought them back from places to start with -

0:32:290:32:32

he travelled a lot and I travelled a lot -

0:32:320:32:35

and I've just picked them up. Hotels, restaurants...

0:32:350:32:37

-So, there's matches from all over the world?

-Yeah.

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-Do you display them at home?

-They've just been in the box.

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In a big box? It would be nice to sort of mount them

0:32:440:32:47

and put them under a glass coffee table.

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Wouldn't it?

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How many boxes or books of matches have you got?

0:32:500:32:53

-I counted them the other day - 299.

-299.

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I'm half tempted to run to the nearest bar, which is

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just out there, isn't it? There's some coffee shops out there.

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And run back and give you your 300th one.

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You don't get them any more, though, you see. Because of the non-smoking.

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Who knows, one day those matchboxes may be as collectable

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as snuffboxes are today.

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Welcome to "Flog It!".

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Now, we've got Carol and Carol, just to confuse matters.

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Now, you've brought along this lovely selection of gold items.

0:33:220:33:26

-Who do they belong to?

-My husband.

-Right, OK.

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And he's had them for quite some time?

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No, his father before him had them for a long time.

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He's had them for about seven or eight years, something like that.

0:33:340:33:37

So, they've been handed down?

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So, you are a friend of the family's?

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I'm a friend of Carol and Carol's husband.

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And I saw a local advert in the paper to come to "Flog It!".

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So, I tried to persuade Carol to come and it was hard work,

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-but she did come.

-So, you didn't want to come along?

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I didn't want to be on the TV.

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Well, here you are in a wonderful setting

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and I bet you're glad you did it?

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I'm pleased. I'm glad I did it for Brian, yeah. And for Carol.

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So, we've got three items here.

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The value isn't the pocket watch, which is what a lot of people

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might think, because this is actually gold-plated.

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The value is in the Albert chain.

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That's the piece that's worth the most.

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It's only nine carat gold, but it's a heavy piece.

0:34:220:34:25

And the weight is there.

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And, unfortunately, a lot of these are sold on scrap value.

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And the value of this is around £370 at the moment.

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But of course, the price goes up and down.

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Now, the sovereign - this is a full sovereign.

0:34:360:34:40

The mount is nine carat gold and the sovereign

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dates from 1912, the sinking of the Titanic, which is interesting.

0:34:430:34:48

Now, these pocket watches by Waltham -

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American pocket watches -

0:34:520:34:53

these were mass-produced. Any ideas on price of this one?

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I would say £200.

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£200? Really?

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No, more like 80.

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About 80. You're closer. £20.

0:35:040:35:07

About 20, £30. I know.

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But sadly, so many of these are produced and it's gold-plated.

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Not great value.

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So, we've got about £20, we've got about £200

0:35:140:35:18

and we've got about £370.

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But of course, this is the scrap value.

0:35:200:35:23

We've got to think about auction price.

0:35:230:35:25

So, I think, estimate wise, we're looking at about 450 to 550.

0:35:250:35:29

-How does that sound?

-I think Brian would be pleased with that, yeah.

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-Would Brian be happy?

-I think so.

-What you think about...?

0:35:320:35:35

I would definitely second that. He would be happy.

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-You happy to take them off to auction?

-Yes.

-Lovely. Fantastic.

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-I'll see you both there.

-Lovely. Thank you.

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That was a good item. There is very little as reliable as gold.

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What a fantastic day we have had here!

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Everybody has thoroughly enjoyed themselves

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and we've found some cracking gems.

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But sadly, it's time to say goodbye to Gloucester Cathedral,

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our magnificent host location,

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as we head over to auction room for the very last time.

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And I've got my favourites, you've probably got yours,

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but right now, it's going to be down to the bidders to decide.

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Here's a quick recap of what's going under the hammer.

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Surely someone will snap up the ivory card case?

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The workmanship is so exquisite.

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Ann's snuffbox is just that little bit out of the ordinary,

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so the collectors should be interested.

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And if ever there was a sure bet,

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a collection of gold items has to be it.

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Back to Cirencester and the thrills and the spills of the saleroom.

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The commission here at Moore, Allan & Innocent is 15%, plus VAT.

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And our auctioneer is Philip Allwood.

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Going under the hammer right now,

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we have a Chinese carved ivory card case.

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It predates 1947, it's legal to sell

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and it's going under the hammer right now.

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We don't have owner, Sue, but we do have Sue's best friend, Dawn.

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-Hello, Dawn.

-Hello.

-So how long have you known each other?

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Oh, gosh. Quite a few years.

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You were at the valuation day,

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so you saw the whole process going through.

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You're going to see it through to the end.

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-So do you know much about this item?

-I don't, no. I don't, to be honest.

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Real quality. The carving's superb.

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The carving is absolutely superb, but the good thing about this one

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is it in the great condition. Nothing's broken off,

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so we've got a good example here.

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-Needs no restoration. Ready to go.

-Absolutely.

-OK.

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Let's find out what the bidders think, shall we?

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It's going under the hammer now.

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Carved ivory card case there. Good quality, well-carved piece.

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What are you going to bid for that? Who'll start me?

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Is that 300 to get on? 300?

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Start me 200... 150?

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It's 150 bid there. Thank you, 150.

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At 150 here. 160 now, 160 on the net.

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-170.

-It should take off.

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180. At 180. 190.

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-It's got to.

-200 now. At 190...200.

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220. At 220.

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240 now. 220 in the room. 240.

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At 240. 260 now, sir?

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At 260. At 260. 280 now.

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-We've sold it, but we'd like a bit more, please.

-At 280...

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At £280. It's on the net at 280.

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-280 now.

-On the net at £280.

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You sure? At 280...

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-Hammer's gone down. £280.

-Oh, she'll be pleased.

-She will be pleased.

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-Are you going to ring her up as soon as you get home?

-Well, yes.

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As soon as you get in the car?

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Well, I'll give her a call on the mobile, yes.

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She was so disappointed she couldn't be here. She will be pleased.

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Well, at least Sue got a good result.

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Now for something from the Continent.

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Well, I've just been joined by Ann, and going under the hammer

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right now, we've got that lovely 19th-century French snuffbox.

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It's beautiful. It's gold with that wonderful portrait.

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I think it's a bit of fun.

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It's a quality lot and it's got a few issues,

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-but I know Philip's had a good look at it.

-Fingers crossed.

-Yes.

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Here we go. We're putting it under the hammer now.

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French gold-mounted tortoiseshell snuffbox with the painted

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top there. Super piece. For my money, the best piece in the sale.

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-Where are we going to be with this?

-There, the auctioneer said

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the best thing in the sale just then.

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Should be 1,000. Start me 500.

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Well, I can start you on the book here at 500. At £500 here. At £500.

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520. At 520. At 520. In the room now at 520.

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550 now. At 520 my on left.

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At 520. 550, if you like.

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At 520. On my left here at 520.

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550 anywhere?

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At 520, the book's out. At 520...

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At £520, it's selling on my left. Made a mistake!

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At £520, selling the room. At 520 - you all sure?

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You'll go home with 520.

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None so strange as auctions.

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Even the auctioneer, even Philip is

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slightly confused up on the rostrum there.

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There was just no-one else they are to bid

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and someone just left a random bid of £500 on the book.

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One guy in the room, one more bid 520, gets it.

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If there was someone to bid against that guy over there,

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he probably would have gone up to...

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There's an expression in this business - if the only thing you've

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-got to apologise for is the price, you're all right.

-Yes.

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The problem with that is commission.

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And I think that, perfect, you could name your price.

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You've got to take a price.

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That's true in this business. Condition is everything.

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Now, time to meet two friends.

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I've just been joined by Catherine, our expert, and the Carols!

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I'm surrounded by summer frocks, it looks fantastic, doesn't it?

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And the heat is rising in here.

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I tell you what, it's going to get rather exciting right now,

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because your lot is going under the hammer.

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There's a lot of gold here.

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You'd get a Cilla Black, so you'd get a lorra lot.

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You've got a lorra lot, don't you? You really do.

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Right, we're going to put this to the test. Fingers crossed.

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These will sell, won't they?

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The Waltham pocket watch with the Albert watch chain there

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and the 1912 gold sovereign.

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Starting me at 500 would be cheap.

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500.

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400 to get on? Yes, 400, a bid there. At 400.

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At £400, going to be cheap at 400.

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400. Scrap money. Looking at 400.

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-At 400.

-It's valued 500.

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At 420. At 420. 440 anywhere?

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-At 440 here.

-At 440. 460.

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480.

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At 480, right in front of me. At 480, 500 now?

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At 480, it's selling right in front of me, then.

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All...? 500!

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-Yes, thank you.

-Yes.

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520 if you like, sir? 520.

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At 520. At £520, still right in front of me, then.

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You're out, on the net. At 520...all done.

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That's a good price, because someone's got

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to pay commission on that anyway.

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-520, that's good scrap value.

-Good, good.

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-You're going home happy?

-Yeah.

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Good sale.

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One always imagines that a lot that is bought for scrap.

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But this time, we have a happy ending.

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We bought our Waltham gold-plated watch, we bought a chain,

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together with a 1912 sovereign that I intend

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to change the situation

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so that the chain will carry the sovereign.

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And I shall give it to my wife next Tuesday, which is

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our 55th wedding anniversary.

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I think jewellery is meant to be worn, not sitting in a box,

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unworn, so, yes, I shall wear it.

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I don't wear a lot of jewellery. I like one or two nice pieces

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and that is a very nice piece.

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How lovely it's going to be treasured!

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Well, that's it. It's all over for our owners.

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We put those values to the test.

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We let the market decide and now we know what they're worth.

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And that was a tough day. All credit to our experts,

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because it's not easy putting a value on an antique.

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But everybody went home happy and that's what it's all about.

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Job done. I hope you've enjoyed the show.

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See you again for many more surprises.

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But from here, from Cirencester,

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with Philip Allwood on the rostrum, it's goodbye.

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