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I'm 60 metres below ground on a lake of drinkable water

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that's 9.5 metres deep.

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So, where am I, you may be asking?

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Well, I'm in Cornwall's only slate mine.

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And later on in the show,

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I'll be delving into the county's mining history.

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Welcome to "Flog It!"!

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Today's show comes from Cornwall,

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whose beaches attract more than four million people every year.

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I have a special affection for this county

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because this is where I was brought up, in Falmouth,

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and that's where we're heading today.

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-Dydh da. Now, there's a bit of Cornish, What does that mean?

-Hello.

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Hello, and hello to everyone here.

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-Anyone know anything else?

-Yeah.

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-SHE SPEAKS CORNISH

-Get on with it.

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That's what I'm doing right now. Thank you.

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We are here at the National Maritime Museum, Cornwall, which houses

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some of the county's finest maritime heritage

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and, for one day only, we've taken it over as our valuation day venue.

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The whole town has turned out, laden with antiques and collectables, and

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they're all here to ask our experts that all-important question,

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which is?

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-ALL:

-What's it worth?

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They're not slow in coming forward, here in Cornwall,

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and, as the queue builds, outside,

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Philip Serrell has already had an offer he can't refuse.

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Would you like to see my tortoise?

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-That's the best offer I've had all day, darling.

-There he is.

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And inside, hoping to strike the right chord, is Caroline Hawley.

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Oh, wow. If you can play it,

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you might give me a little tune when we get in there.

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What did I say that for!

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So, let's get those doors open,

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get everyone in and get the valuations underway.

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And while everyone settles down,

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let's take a peek at what's coming up.

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Today's journey is an emotional one, with feelings of passion.

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Well, she's made my day. Absolutely.

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I've seen lots of lovely things today,

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but she's one of my favourites.

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-And desire.

-We see lots and lots of things on "Flog It!",

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but I'd like to own that.

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But it could all end in tears at the auction.

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-Are you OK?

-SHE SOBS

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Aw. Are you OK?

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Good luck, everyone. And thank you for turning up. I really mean that.

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What a turnout we've got today.

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And hopefully, someone's journey starts right here, right now.

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It could be you. It could be you that has something valuable

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that goes off to auction and makes a small fortune.

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That's what this show is all about

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and it's our experts' job to find it, so let's get started.

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Philip was on the lookout for something local,

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but will Roger's two copper pieces fit the bill?

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-Roger, how are you?

-Fine, thank you, Philip.

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This smacks of a man who's got an interest in bits of copper.

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Well, being Cornish, yes.

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Well, there's a reason for that, isn't there?

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Because there are a number of really good arts

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and crafts schools around the country, where metalware was

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produced, and the one that you always think of in Cornwall

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-is Newlyn School...

-Hmm.

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-..and the man who you associate most is John Pearson.

-Exactly.

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And John Pearson did fish, didn't he? And he did galleons.

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And, as well as the Newlyn stamp, sometimes there's a JP monogram,

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-isn't there?

-That's on my pieces.

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-So, you're a collector?

-Yes.

-So, you know exactly what you've got?

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So, Roger, when you refer to an industry, these things weren't

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-made in factories, were they?

-No, they were made by simple fisherman.

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They'd learned to make the copper from a man called McKenzie,

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so they could earn some money on the days that they couldn't fish.

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-Who was McKenzie?

-He set up the Newlyn Copper School.

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So, really, this is a thing that fisherman did as

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almost like a bit of pocket money, as a second industry, in a way.

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-Yes.

-But I also know that Newlyn collectors, of which you are one,

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-they want it stamped Newlyn, don't they?

-Ideally, yes.

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So, here is the question - where's the stamp?

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-There isn't one.

-There isn't one and let me guess

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that the reason why you're selling it is because

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-it hasn't got Newlyn stamp on it.

-Basically, yes. And this is too big.

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The rest of my Newlyn collection are smaller trays, coffee jugs.

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-When was the Newlyn factory set up?

-1884-1885.

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And did they always stamp their wares?

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From about 1904-1907.

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-So, there's a 20-year period where they didn't stamp stuff?

-Exactly.

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So, there is a chance...

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I mean, hand on heart, do you think this is by Newlyn?

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Hand on heart, I believe it is because it's shown

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-all the characteristics of Newlyn.

-Which is what?

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The scores on the lid and on the bottom of the handle,

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and also the wave form and the rivets.

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But the key thing for you is that it don't say Newlyn.

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Basically, yes.

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-And that's the key, isn't it?

-Well, no. The key is it just doesn't fit

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-in with the rest of the collection.

-All right, Roger. But for me, it has to say Newlyn.

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And I think you've got to pitch this as though it isn't Newlyn

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and if people get excited about it, then it might go and take off.

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But what I think is really interesting is,

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at the outset of this little chat, I said there were little

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schools all around the country,

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and, in my eyes, you've got a Cornish, hopefully, example

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here from Newlyn but now you've gone to completely the other end of the

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country, and we go up to the Lake District in Keswick, and you've got

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KSIA, which is the Keswick School of Industrial Arts and this is,

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in a way, it's another one of these enclaves where

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metalware was produced and again, highly collectable, isn't it?

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And what I think's lovely about this is that you've got

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the stamp here and what that little KSI does,

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it converts a copper tray that's probably worth about two quid

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into something that's probably worth about £20-£40.

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Now, the way I would sell these is I would sell them as one lot

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and hope to appeal to a metalware collector.

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I would sell it as a Keswick School of Industrial Arts oval dish

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and then I would call this a copper jug, probably from Newlyn.

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-I don't know that we can say definitely, can we?

-We can't.

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And I think we should put an estimate on the two for £60-£90

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and a fixed reserve of 50 quid. Do you think I'm right on price?

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-I think you are right on price.

-OK.

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Well, let's keep our fingers crossed

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and let's hope that two people in the sale room take

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a shine to our so-say bit of Newlyn.

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The lack of markings on the jug

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makes the stamped Keswick piece more appealing.

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Caroline has found a fine figure with plenty of panache,

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but does this have the markings of Provenance?

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-Lovely to meet you, Linda.

-Thank you.

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And your gorgeous, gorgeous girl. Absolutely delightful.

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Tell me, how on earth did you acquire her?

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Well, a friend of mine had a friend who was a luvvie, Dame Anna Neagle.

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And the story is that when Anna Neagle was performing

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in Peter Pan, she had this made for her, or she bought it for her.

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I don't whether she had it made or she bought it

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because she thought it kind of looked like Peter Pan

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and, when Anna Neagle died, it was returned to this lady.

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And when she died, I acquired it through my friend.

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Gosh, Linda, you are so lucky.

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I think she's absolutely adorable.

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And I've had a really good look, back to front, all ways round -

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she's not marked at all.

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I would expect to see the name

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of Joseph Lorenzo, Ferdinand Price,

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Chiparus - one of those makers.

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-That's unfortunate, isn't it?

-Unfortunately, there's none of them.

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But it doesn't take away from the fact that she is a beautiful

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gold-painted bronze figure.

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She's got a little bit of damage down her cheek,

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but she is absolutely beautiful.

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On this Onyx base. She's exactly what everybody wants.

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There's a bit of damage to the paint, in one or two areas,

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but nothing horrific.

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And, in my opinion, she's much better than a totally naked female.

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I think she's coquettish, a bit of a luvvie.

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The movement in this figure, the style.

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-She is just lovely and I'm sorry it's not signed...

-So am I...

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But, all day long, she's going to get £300-£500, all day long.

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But I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised

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if she didn't get £1,000 either.

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So, I think, for auction,

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-we'll put her with an estimate of between £300-£500.

-OK.

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-Are you happy with that?

-Absolutely.

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-And then I think we'll see what happens.

-Can we have a reserve?

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Of course we can have a reserve!

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What would you like? Bottom estimate? £300?

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Whatever you think.

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Well, I think if we put a reserve of £300,

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just to stop her falling through the safety net.

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-There's no danger of that.

-No.

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She is a delight. She's made my day.

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Absolutely. I've seen some lovely things today,

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but I think she's one of my favourites.

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-Thank you, Linda.

-Thank you.

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If it had a Joseph Lorenzo mark, there would be no

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need for some pixie dust to make this one fly.

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Now, I've spotted an appealing piece of local art, brought in by Kate.

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Kate, this is absolutely charming. A little study of William Holman Hunt.

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I think, the greatest of all the Pre-Raphaelite painters.

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It's a little watercolour, highlighted with French white.

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-How did you come by this?

-I bought it in a lot about ten years ago...

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-Did you?

-..with a sketchbook.

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What else was in the sketchbook? Can I ask?

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Not another Holman Hunt, but a lot of little studies by Ralph Todd.

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It's a Ralph Todd, isn't it?

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And there's a little monogram, Ralph Todd.

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A well-respected artist from the Newlyn School,

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but he struggled to make a living from his art

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-and I don't understand why because look at the quality of that.

-Quite.

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This is Holman Hunt, who died in 1910.

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I think Todd died in 1932, didn't he?

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Why are you thinking of selling this now?

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It was part of a lot. Other elements of it, I'm keeping.

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But that and another portrait, I just want to sell.

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Do you mind me asking you what you paid for this sketchbook?

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-Ooh! That's a cheeky question.

-OK. OK.

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Well, I think Todd's work, a little study like this,

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he'd quite easily get £100 to £160-70, but I think,

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because of the subject matter, William Holman Hunt, the great

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Pre-Raphaelite artist, I think, because of

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the subject matter, £200-£300.

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-Fantastic.

-Happy with that?

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-Very much.

-Is that a good return on that sketch?

-It is.

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In fact, Ralph Todd had a son called Arthur Ralph Middleton Todd,

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who was also a highly accomplished Newlyn artist.

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Now, I wonder what's under that box.

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Hi, Philip.

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-Pleased to meet you, Philip.

-You're...?

-Peter.

-Peter.

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-That's not really a Cornish lilt there, is it?

-No.

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I'm afraid I'm a Mancunian.

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-Oh, I shouldn't apologise for being a Mancunian.

-Not at all.

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-I'm quite proud of that.

-And what brought you down here?

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-Well, I came in as a merchant seaman.

-Really?

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In the '60s, and I met the wife and the rest is history.

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That is fantastic. And you've brought me a purple box.

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With a secret underneath, I think.

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-Do I had to lift it up?

-You have to lift it.

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-You've got to make sure it doesn't dash away.

-Oh!

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That's lovely, isn't it?

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-So, tell me about the tortoise. Does he have a name?

-Well, not really.

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To me, well, "Doorstop" was his most. And perhaps "Damn"

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when you caught your toe on it, now and again.

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How long have you had it?

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I've had it several years, but it's been in the family.

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My stepfather had it.

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He was a Canadian champion wrestler, believe it or not!

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-Wrestler?

-He was a wrestler.

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Was he one of those television things

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that Kent Walton used to talk about?

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-No, no. He was born in 1898.

-Oh, right.

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So, he was mid-20s between the wars.

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What we're assuming is that he picked this up on his travels,

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and then eventually he passed away and my mother gave it to me.

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-And you don't want it?

-Well, I can't say it has a sentimental attachment.

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So you thought you'd come along to "Flog It!" and see if you could

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-flog a tortoise?

-Exactly.

-So, how old is it?

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-Circa 1900, I would have thought.

-And what is it made of?

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To be honest, all these years I thought it was brass,

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-and apparently it's turned out to be...

-Bronze.

-Bronze.

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-Shall we turn it over and see what it says?

-Love to.

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So, there's a little mark just here, which says, "Made in Austria",

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and that would date it to around about 1900, as you say.

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And there's a B, here,

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and a great exponent of cold painted bronzes was a man called Bergman.

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This may or may not be by him,

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but certainly, just on the tail, there's a B and a shield.

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So, let's hope it's by Bergman.

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In terms of value, it's an interesting one because

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I think he's quite fun. I think anybody would look at this

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and think this is worth £200-£400,

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and I think it is worth £200-£400,

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and that, in my opinion, would be a sensible estimate for it.

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And I think you should put a reserve of it of £200.

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There is a "but" coming.

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The "but" is, it wouldn't surprise me if it made possibly £800,

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possibly a little bit more. It wouldn't surprise me.

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I think you need to put a fixed reserve of £200.

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-How does that sound?

-That sounds wonderful.

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And what would you do with the money?

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Well, obviously, I'd better do mother right -

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she's got to make sure she has a...

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and then put the other half to see to.

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Then what's left, I might buy something to go fishing with.

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-I might buy a new fishing rod.

-A new fishing rod?

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Well, let's hope that Terry the tortoise goes and does really well.

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And do you know what? We've seen lots and lots of things

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on "Flog It!" and not all of them would I like to own,

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but I'd like to own that.

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Bergman is a big name for collectors,

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so, if the auction house confirms that stamp,

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it could add even more value to the tortoise.

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We are now halfway through our day

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and you have just seen the first items ready to go off to auction.

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I've got my favourites, you have probably got yours,

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but let's find out what the bidders think.

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While we're going over to the auction room, here's a quick

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recap of all the items that are going under the hammer.

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Roger's copper jug and Keswick tray should attract some attention.

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This fine-looking Art Deco figure is certain to fly.

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And what will the collectors make of the portrait of English painter

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William Holman Hunt?

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And, with a steady pace, will this tortoise be a winner in the auction?

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We are heading to the town of Lostwithiel, which is believed

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to have taken its name from the old Cornish meaning

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"the place at the tail of the forest."

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There aren't as many trees now, but, luckily for us,

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there is Jeffrey's Auction House

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and Ian Morris has the gavel in his hand.

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Don't look so sad. Anything can happen in an auction room

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and, I tell you what, you could pick up a few bargains as well.

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If you are thinking of selling, there is commission to pay.

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Here it's 15% plus VAT, but it varies from sale room to sale room,

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so check the details that are printed in the catalogue.

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Ask a member of staff.

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Don't get caught out, or you could be disappointed.

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First up, this copper jug and tray.

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Over the 14 years on the show,

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we've seen plenty of Newlyn copper and Keswick School, and we have

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two items right now going under the hammer, belonging to Roger.

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One is definitely Keswick, the other - the jury's out.

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OK, so you're selling this cos you don't think it's Newlyn either,

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-do you?

-It doesn't fit in with the rest of the collection.

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The rest of the collection is fairly small

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and, of course, it's a very high piece.

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Yes, I personally don't think it is Newlyn

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and I think Ian's in the same school of thought.

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It's not catalogued as Newlyn.

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But, look, the Keswick piece will definitely fly,

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so thank you for bringing that in

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because we get an opportunity to talk about Newlyn as well.

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What I think is lovely is that here we are, in Cornwall,

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the piece that's going to sell this is the Keswick bit.

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-There isn't a saleroom further away from Keswick than here, is there?

-Not really, no!

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Anyway, good luck. And hopefully, all the proceeds

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will go to purchasing another piece of Newlyn.

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-Definitely.

-We love the collectors. We love investing in antiques -

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that's what it's all about.

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And right now, hopefully, we're going to sell a couple. This is it.

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Keswick copper. Also with a crafted copper jug.

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The jug and the tray, I've got four bids on here

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-and I've got to start at £90.

-Yes.

-£90, I'm bid.

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At £90. 95. £100. 110.

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At £100, the bid's on the book. 110 anywhere?

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At £100. Done. Going. At £100.

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£100. That hammer's gone down. Job done!

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-Super.

-Super.

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-Proper job.

-Proper job. Yeah.

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A good result for Roger.

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Now, Caroline has some news about this sculptured lady.

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Fingers crossed.

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Well, Linda and Caroline, I'm expecting big things for this.

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-It is classic Art Deco.

-Gorgeous. I did some research.

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-Oh, listen to this, Linda.

-I've done some more research, Linda,

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since I've seen you and I'm almost 100% sure it is a Josef Lorenzl.

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-Right.

-It's not signed, but I'm sure it is a Lorenzl figure.

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-That means highly sought after.

-Yes. Yeah.

-One of the best.

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Well, this is exciting, isn't it?

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What we're looking at here is what? Three to five?

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I think it's going to get 1,000.

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-You'd settle for 300, wouldn't you?

-Yeah, I would.

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OK. Well, let's find out what it does, shall we?

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-Because, hopefully, we can get four figures.

-OK.

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The Art Deco bronze, exotic dancer.

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Bids on the books means I've got to start at £420.

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-At 420.

-Right. Mid-estimate.

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At 420. 440. 460. 480. 500.

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520. 550. At 550, the bid's on the book.

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-We're done? 580. 600. 620.

-Gosh, that was late coming in.

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£600.

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Hammer's gone down! Yes! Just over the top end. £600. Fantastic.

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-That was a good result.

-Yes, it was. I'm happy with that.

-So am I!

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Are you happy? Oh!

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-Because, one minute ago, you said you'd be settling for 300.

-I did.

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And now we've got six.

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-So, you know, that's really good.

-Wonderful.

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Yeah. Thank you for bringing that in.

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Well, it seems the bidders also thought this figurine

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was by a famous sculptor.

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The provenance of this watercolour has also been under scrutiny

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since the valuation day.

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You've been doing a lot of detective work.

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I have been doing a little research and it's by his son,

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which was Arthur Ralph Middleton Todd. He was born in 1891.

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I don't know if that's going to affect the value.

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I think if anybody's interested in Todd and the family, hopefully...

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-It'll make no difference.

-It'll make no difference.

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And it's beautifully executed.

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-Well, he was a good portrait painter.

-Very good portrait painter.

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I think it's a wonderful piece of history.

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Yeah, and I'd love to own it.

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-I hope it has a good home.

-So do I. So do I.

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We're going to find out right now. Good luck, Kate.

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Watercolour portrait, WH Holman Hunt.

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What do I say for that? £200 away? 150 away?

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£100, I'm bid. At £100.

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110 to get on. 110. 120. 130. 140.

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150. 160. 170.

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At 170, I'm bid. 180 now. At 170, I'm bid. 180 not... At £170.

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Got to pass, I'm afraid.

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-Not enough. It did affect it, didn't it?

-Yeah, probably.

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Yeah. Never mind. It's still a lovely thing to look at

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-and you get to keep it.

-Indeed.

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-Well, thank you for bringing that in.

-Not at all. Not at all.

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Although AR Todd may not be as well-known as his father,

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he's still highly regarded and his work has been

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exhibited in galleries like the Tate and the Royal Academy.

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Now, more good news.

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The auctioneer has confirmed this tortoise is a Bergman,

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as Philip thought.

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-The reserve isn't £200 any more.

-It is...

-£700.

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Right, that means we have to revise the estimate to 700-900 cos

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it's illegal to have a reserve higher than the bottom estimate.

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Was it your idea to say 700 or Ian's?

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Well, he was going to alter but not by that amount,

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but I found a site that was offering one in a retail position for £2,900.

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Right, OK. We're going to find out what it makes right now

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because it is going under the hammer. Here we go.

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Bergman, the Austrian bronze sculpture of a tortoise.

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A little Bergman stamp on its tail there. £200, I'm bid.

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At £200, at £200. 220 now.

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At £200. 220. 240. 260. 280.

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260. 280. Straight in.

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-380. 400. 420...

-400.

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450. 480. 500.

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520. 550. 580.

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600. 620. 650. 680.

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-700. In the room.

-£700.

-£700, I'm bid.

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720? At £700. £700.

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Well done, Peter. I mean, you were spot on.

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£700, a fixed reserve, and it made it. That tortoise was pretty fast.

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-Congratulations. That's a lot of money.

-Thank you.

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And I know you've got a new grandchild coming soon.

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-A new great-grandchild.

-A great-grandchild!

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-You don't look old enough.

-Oh, thank you very much.

-Wow! Well, look,

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I think that's a really good little nest egg for your great-grandchild.

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-Lovely.

-Don't you?

-And thank you very much.

-Pleasure.

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33.

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Well, there you are.

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Our first three lots done and dusted under the hammer,

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and three happy owners. It doesn't get much better than that

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and we're coming back here later on in the show,

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so don't go away.

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Now, we all know Cornwall is famous for its tin and its copper mines.

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The landscape is peppered with their ruins,

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but the county's also famous for its slate mines,

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believed to be some of the most durable and desirable in the world.

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So earlier in the week, I set off to dig up some facts for myself.

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The origins of Cornwall's tin

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and copper deposits date back to around 300 million years.

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Rising temperatures and powerful geological activity deep within the Earth's crust

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gave rise to granite, a hard, tough rock, containing many metals,

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including tin and copper.

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Cornwall's rich mineral resources have been exploited

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since medieval times, but it was the industrial advances of the 18th

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and 19th centuries that really sparked a mining boom.

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Steam power enabled deep shaft mining and the drainage

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from pumping of water from below the Earth's surface.

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Now, whilst tin and copper were the main focus of the industrial

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mining here, Cornwall had another natural resource to offer

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that was in great demand - slate.

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Slate has been mined here in Cornwall since medieval times

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and used primarily for roofing,

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paving and as a building material.

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The most famous of the county's slate mines is at Delabole,

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which is one of the oldest and deepest quarries in Europe.

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Slate from here was transported all over the world.

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The Delabole pit is still a working quarry today,

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but it's one of a few to survive.

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Some 300 years ago,

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there had been another slate quarry here at Carnglaze,

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near the village of St Neot, which is 17 miles from Delabole.

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Now, unlike its neighbour,

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the workers here did something quite unique.

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Instead of quarrying for slate on the Earth's surface,

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they went underground.

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Thankfully, much of the history of what was Cornwall's only

0:23:240:23:27

underground slate mine has been preserved,

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not only by the past owner but the present owner, Caroline Richards,

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and she's got her own interesting story of how she acquired this mine.

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And Caroline is somewhere down there.

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I'm going to meet her and have a chat to her.

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This is amazing. I'm going 60m below ground and 150m into the hillside.

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-Caroline.

-Hi.

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Pleased to meet you. I've got to say, I'm really jealous.

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How did you get to own your own slate mine?

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We were actually looking for woodland to restore

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-and we were looking to retire.

-Where are the trees?

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-Outside. 6.5 acres of woodland...

-OK.

-..with a cottage.

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-And that's what you bought.

-That's what we bought

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and it turned out there was an old slate mine in the back garden,

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but even then, there wasn't lighting to all of it underground

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and so we still didn't realise the extent of it.

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-And have you learned a great deal about mining in Cornwall?

-I have.

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I've had to learn an enormous amount along the way.

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I had a bit of a head start because I was a geography teacher

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and I was always interested in archaeology, geology,

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history, that sort of thing.

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So, how is slate formed?

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This particular slate started off about 400 million years

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ago as mud at the bottom of an ocean and then it got caught

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up at a time when the tectonic plates underneath it were closing.

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That gave a great deal of lateral pressure that turned it into slate.

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Mid Devonian slate is what it's called.

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That's what it is, is it, Mid Devonian?

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Cornwall varies from early Devonian through to Carboniferous.

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So, why did the miners change this from a quarry into a mine?

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By coming underground, they got to the better quality slate.

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It wasn't weathered, like it was outside.

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And because there were tin and copper mines starting to grow in the area as well,

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there were a lot of people with the skill set needed for going

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underground for slate miners at the same time.

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How safe was it working here,

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compared to the tin or the copper mines?

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Underground here, you've got solid slate, so it's good, strong rock.

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-You can see that it's unsupported.

-It is, yes.

-To a huge height.

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And it's very safe, very strong.

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In its heyday, how many men would have been working down here then?

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-We believe about 20 teams of five...

-Gosh.

-..in total

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because there was such a constant demand for the product.

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Extracting the slate was a hard manual job,

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as an account in the 1890s by a visitor, Mr WP Watkins, shows.

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'They sat on three-legged stools and used mallets and curious chisels

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'with flat heads and wide triangular blades to dress the slate.

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'In the candlelight, they were only half visible.

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'And as they struck, the men maintained the rhythm.'

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One of the chambers also houses an underground lake of drinkable

0:26:080:26:12

water that is 9.5m deep.

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So this is the only water supply you have to your house,

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so you drink this water?

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We do indeed and we don't have to treat it or anything -

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it's just drinkable straight as it is.

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It has to be tested every year, just to prove that it's drinkable.

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And does it stay at this level all the time?

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It keeps itself fairly static, but after heavy rainfall,

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it will rise maybe a few feet and then, by the end of a week maybe,

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it will have gone back to its normal level.

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Does your house have connections to the mine as well?

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It does indeed cos it wasn't a house at all,

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it was the engine house for the steam engine that was

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used for hauling the carts of slate up from the lower caverns here,

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from the lower chambers.

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Tin, copper and slate mines fell into decline in Cornwall

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by the 20th century due to larger deposits found overseas.

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This mine closed in 1903 and, as other mines shut down,

0:27:070:27:12

the miners followed the work overseas.

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Today, the slate miners have long gone,

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but the caverns are still used for weddings, tours and concerts.

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The local history and the ambience of the mine also

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lives on through bands like Dalla, who sing in Cornish and English.

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SHE SINGS IN CORNISH

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# Hard is the stone

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# Hard is the ground

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# It's all that ever we knew... #

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-Hillary, tell me what the song's about.

-OK.

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Yeah, it's called Dean Younk a Gernow, which means The Young Man of Cornwall,

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and it's actually all about a man leaving Cornwall

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and it's really symbolic of the men who left

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Cornwall in the 1800s really, when many, many miners left

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because of the mines closing down.

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But it's also very much about the women who actually remained

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and the hard life they had to deal with, raising children

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and keeping the household going when the men were actually abroad,

0:28:430:28:46

you know, earning a bit of money,

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which they would then send home, most of them did.

0:28:470:28:50

A real sentimental journey.

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Yes, absolutely. We live in Cornwall and we want to know about our own Cornish music,

0:28:510:28:56

but also it's absolutely wonderful to sing in the Cornish language.

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HILLARY SINGS IN CORNISH

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# I see you no more

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# I'll be with you till the world ends

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# I'll be with you till the world ends. #

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Welcome back to our valuation day venue, the Maritime Museum Cornwall.

0:29:370:29:41

The valuations here in Falmouth are still in full swing

0:29:410:29:44

and Caroline is being put to the test.

0:29:440:29:48

-So, Alison...

-Yeah.

0:29:480:29:50

..when I came to Falmouth today, I was expecting maritime items, I was

0:29:500:29:54

expecting Newlyn School, and I was wondering about mystery objects,

0:29:540:29:59

and you have brought the latter. Tell me what you know about this.

0:29:590:30:03

It was given to my dad, who was a fencing master,

0:30:030:30:06

and I think it was given to him because it looks like a sword.

0:30:060:30:09

-But this is not a fencing sword, is it?

-No. No, it's not.

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We think it is a club for hitting people with.

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Yes, I think I would agree with you on that one!

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And it looks like it hails from somewhere in the Pacific.

0:30:190:30:23

-I was told Papua New Guinea.

-Yeah. Or possibly Polynesia.

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Well, it's fascinating.

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And it's a bit of a dangerous item to have about.

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-How long have you had it?

-It's been in the house as long

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as I can remember, so since I was very little,

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so easily 30 years.

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-I see. And it was around when you were a child.

-Yes.

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-And was it used to control you?

-Yes.

0:30:420:30:43

My brother and I were told if we didn't behave then our dad

0:30:430:30:46

-would hit us with what he called his bommyknocker.

-Bommyknocker?!

-Yes.

0:30:460:30:50

-So this is a bommyknocker.

-It's a bommyknocker.

-Right.

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It's got a big piece knocked off.

0:30:530:30:55

Was that knocked off on you, by any chance?

0:30:550:30:58

No, it's always been like that, as long as I can remember.

0:30:580:31:01

Well, I think something like this

0:31:010:31:03

very much depends on its origin, its age...

0:31:030:31:07

-I don't think it's been made as a tourist item.

-No, I don't think so.

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For several reasons. One, you...

0:31:120:31:14

-Can you see the binding at the top of it?

-Yeah.

0:31:140:31:17

That looks to me like it's been there a long time.

0:31:170:31:20

-That looks 19th century.

-Yeah.

0:31:200:31:22

It's a hardwood cane, which has split and then,

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take my word for it, it is very heavy.

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It is.

0:31:270:31:28

The stone, which looks like some volcanic black sort of rock...

0:31:280:31:32

-I think it might be, if that's where it's from.

-Yeah.

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It's an amazing object. There's something I'm not sure about.

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I'm not sure how that stone is meant to attach to there.

0:31:390:31:43

It doesn't look like it belongs.

0:31:430:31:45

And I think this needs a great expert in this kind of thing

0:31:450:31:49

to look at it.

0:31:490:31:51

-OK.

-Really. And it would need an awful lot more research.

0:31:510:31:55

However, I think if this is put into a good auction, I think

0:31:550:31:58

-the market will give you the market price of this thing.

-OK.

0:31:580:32:02

Have you ever given it any thought as to the value of it?

0:32:020:32:05

I had a tentative value put on it a few years ago...

0:32:050:32:08

It was suggested it might be a couple of hundred pounds' worth.

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It could be anywhere between £80 and £8,000.

0:32:120:32:15

-Yeah.

-And I don't know.

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-But are you prepared to give it a go on "Flog It!"?

-Yeah, absolutely.

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And I will be as interested as you to see where this delightful

0:32:220:32:25

-thing is going to go.

-Yeah.

-It is interesting.

0:32:250:32:28

Thank you very much, Alison, for bringing it along.

0:32:280:32:31

Thank you for having a look.

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I'll be very interested to see how that does later.

0:32:330:32:37

Right then, Philip. Time's ticking.

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-Martin, how are you?

-I'm well, thanks, Philip.

0:32:400:32:42

-That's not a Cornish accent, is it?

-No, no.

-Where are you from?

0:32:420:32:45

-I was born in Germany, actually, but Essex boy really.

-Yeah?

0:32:450:32:48

-Essex boy for many, many, many years.

-Yeah?

0:32:480:32:50

And tell me all about this then?

0:32:500:32:52

Well, I've had it for probably 20 years

0:32:520:32:55

and I've only worn it half a dozen times at a black tie do or

0:32:550:32:58

something like that, when the circumstances were right.

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And it was my granddad's, but I don't use it, so...

0:33:010:33:03

-You don't need a watch in Cornwall?

-Who needs a watch in Cornwall?!

0:33:030:33:08

I love brands and you've got there one of the world's great brands -

0:33:080:33:12

Hermes. And it's interesting. Hermes were a French company,

0:33:120:33:16

set up in the early part of the 19th century, and what's little

0:33:160:33:19

known about them is they cut their teeth making saddlery.

0:33:190:33:23

-Ah, no, I didn't know that.

-Let's just have a good look at it.

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We've got Hermes written on the circular dial,

0:33:250:33:28

-you've got a stamp there...

-Yeah, I couldn't make out the mark.

0:33:280:33:31

No, I can't either. But I would think this is probably 18 carat gold,

0:33:310:33:35

but I can't guarantee that.

0:33:350:33:36

Looks like you might have another minor stamp there

0:33:360:33:38

-and there on the buckle.

-Yeah.

0:33:380:33:40

I would think there's every chance

0:33:400:33:42

that this bracelet might be original.

0:33:420:33:44

-I think it is.

-And that's lovely.

0:33:440:33:45

Might be shooting myself in the foot here,

0:33:450:33:47

but I'm going to ask the question - you've got 1930s Hermes gold

0:33:470:33:53

watch that belonged to your grandad and you're going to sell it.

0:33:530:33:56

I think I'd much rather somebody was using it

0:33:560:33:59

-and I think someone will love it.

-Yeah.

-You'd probably love it.

0:33:590:34:01

You're looking at somebody who'd love it.

0:34:010:34:03

I think it's absolutely fantastic. I love watches.

0:34:030:34:06

And there's an interesting thing about this, you know.

0:34:060:34:08

In this country, did you know, that on mechanical items,

0:34:080:34:11

-you don't pay capital gains tax?

-Oh, no.

0:34:110:34:13

So, if this goes and makes £30,000,

0:34:130:34:15

-there is no capital gains tax to pay.

-Wow.

0:34:150:34:18

Nice little take home bit there.

0:34:180:34:20

But what I think is lovely about it, we're looking at a watch

0:34:200:34:23

that's 80 or 90 years old, but that could be 1970s, couldn't it?

0:34:230:34:27

It's timeless. Let's put it in the auction.

0:34:270:34:29

I think that this is going to make between £200 and £400.

0:34:290:34:32

I think we put a fixed reserve on it of £200

0:34:320:34:35

and I think someone is really going to treasure that,

0:34:350:34:37

-and what I really hope is I hope they keep that strap.

-Yeah.

0:34:370:34:40

-Absolutely. Fixed reserve.

-Fixed reserve, £200.

0:34:400:34:44

-Let's hope time flies.

-Good.

0:34:440:34:46

But first, it looks like Caroline knows a thing or

0:34:460:34:49

two about strumming a tune.

0:34:490:34:51

Hello, Richard, Annette.

0:34:510:34:53

Tell me, how do you come to own this gorgeous guitar?

0:34:530:34:56

We bought it from a chap down here, from Hull,

0:34:560:34:59

who used to play in a group called the Ramrods.

0:34:590:35:02

-Hang on, from Hull? The guy was from Hull?

-Yeah.

-I'm from Hull.

-Yeah.

0:35:020:35:07

How extraordinary.

0:35:070:35:08

-And his group was the Ramrods.

-The Ramrods.

0:35:080:35:11

-And he moved down here, did he?

-He moved down here to play.

0:35:110:35:15

Right, and then why did he sell his guitar?

0:35:150:35:18

-Oh, he got a bit hard up financially.

-Financially.

0:35:180:35:21

-His rent and all.

-So the Ramrods weren't doing too well?

0:35:210:35:24

-They was, for so many years...

-They broke up after so many years.

0:35:240:35:29

They played down here for a good four years for sure.

0:35:290:35:32

-So, when did you buy it?

-In the early '80s.

0:35:320:35:35

And I would imagine, from the style of this, that he played in the '60s?

0:35:350:35:38

-Yes.

-Yes.

-I have to say, I don't know the Ramrods,

0:35:380:35:42

but I think this guitar is fabulous.

0:35:420:35:45

It's a Fender Jaguar, dates from around 1960, '62,

0:35:450:35:49

'63, that sort of period.

0:35:490:35:51

-Yeah.

-Look at this lovely faux tortoise shell scratch plate.

0:35:510:35:55

And this is a sunburst model.

0:35:550:35:58

And the original strap, by the looks of it,

0:35:580:36:00

-lovely leather strap.

-Could be.

0:36:000:36:02

-This has seen some action, hasn't it?

-Oh, yes.

-Do either of you play?

0:36:020:36:05

He plays a little. Yes, he plays a little.

0:36:050:36:09

What do you play, a little, Richard?

0:36:090:36:11

A bit of country and western, that sort of thing. Three-chord stuff.

0:36:110:36:14

-Ooh! Would you serenade me with this?

-No, no. I don't think so.

0:36:140:36:18

Go on. Well, it's in very good condition.

0:36:180:36:21

-Has it been in your home, just on display?

-Yes.

-Since the '80s.

0:36:210:36:25

Oh, yes. And then we decided, time of life,

0:36:250:36:29

to get rid of the things that our grandchildren are not interested in.

0:36:290:36:33

-No.

-So, that's one of the reasons why we wanted to...

-How interesting.

0:36:330:36:37

Well, I have to say,

0:36:370:36:38

I don't know anything about the Ramrods, I shall look into that.

0:36:380:36:42

But it's great, it's come from Hull, come all the way down to Falmouth.

0:36:420:36:46

It's quite difficult to put a value.

0:36:460:36:49

I mean, if this belonged to one of the Beatles, for instance,

0:36:490:36:52

and we could attribute it to a certain rock star or band,

0:36:520:36:56

it would make it very interesting.

0:36:560:36:58

Yes.

0:36:580:37:01

And they do sell, but I would say possibly to be safe,

0:37:010:37:05

an estimate of 300 to 500.

0:37:050:37:07

-Yes.

-And would you want a reserve on that?

0:37:070:37:10

-Yes, definitely.

-Yeah. So if we put a reserve of 300.

0:37:100:37:15

-A fixed reserve of 300?

-Yes.

-Are you happy with that?

-Yes.

-Yes, yes.

0:37:150:37:19

Well, I think it's lovely and we'll put it to auction then,

0:37:190:37:22

300-500, fixed at 300.

0:37:220:37:25

-Yeah.

-Right, lovely.

-Thank you, both of you.

0:37:250:37:28

That guitar certainly rocks.

0:37:280:37:29

That's it. It's time to say thank you

0:37:330:37:36

and goodbye to the National Maritime Museum Cornwall,

0:37:360:37:40

our magnificent host location, but it's not over yet.

0:37:400:37:43

We've got some unfinished business to do in the auction room.

0:37:430:37:46

We're putting our last three valuations to the test,

0:37:460:37:48

so while we make our way over there, here's a quick recap, just to

0:37:480:37:51

jog your memory, of all the items that are going under the hammer.

0:37:510:37:55

We'll all be surprised to see how this ethnic wooden club

0:37:550:37:58

does at auction.

0:37:580:38:00

Time could change everything for this Hermes watch.

0:38:040:38:08

And I'm sure this guitar will be music to someone's

0:38:100:38:13

ears at the saleroom.

0:38:130:38:14

As we return to the auction in Lostwithiel,

0:38:170:38:20

-all eyes are on Ian Morris.

-300 away? 300 away.

0:38:200:38:23

And first going under the gavel is Alison's unusual club.

0:38:230:38:26

The auction room has done a little more research.

0:38:260:38:29

We've all come to the conclusion it is Polynesian, OK?

0:38:290:38:32

Question is, how collectible will this one be?

0:38:320:38:35

We've seen some great results on the show before. Hard to value.

0:38:350:38:39

-Really hard.

-Hard to value.

-Not many experts.

-There's not many experts.

0:38:390:38:42

And they keep it to themselves, so fingers crossed,

0:38:420:38:45

they've come down here and viewed this. Here we go.

0:38:450:38:47

For the battle club, probably Polynesian,

0:38:470:38:50

£60 I've got on the book.

0:38:500:38:52

At £60. £60. £70. £80. £90.

0:38:520:38:56

£100. 110. 120. 130. 140.

0:38:560:38:59

150. With you. At 150 at the back.

0:38:590:39:03

At 150. 160 not? Are we done?

0:39:030:39:05

At 150, going clubbing tonight. £150.

0:39:050:39:08

-There we go.

-£150.

0:39:080:39:10

-That was good. I'm happy.

-Yeah.

0:39:100:39:13

That's £150, rather than sitting, gathering dust.

0:39:130:39:16

So, yeah, I'm happy with that.

0:39:160:39:18

That's the positive outlook on it, isn't it?

0:39:180:39:20

Well done and thank you for bringing it in,

0:39:200:39:22

because it really has given us a wonderful talking point.

0:39:220:39:25

Thankfully, Alison got a good result.

0:39:250:39:27

Going under the hammer right now,

0:39:270:39:30

we have a 1930s gold Hermes watch, belonging to Martin, and we've just

0:39:300:39:33

been joined by our expert, Philip, who would like to own this watch...

0:39:330:39:37

-I must add. But you can't.

-I know. I can't, I can't.

0:39:370:39:40

I like it as well. It's a good brand. Was that granddad's watch?

0:39:400:39:43

-It was my granddad's watch.

-And you've never worn in.

0:39:430:39:45

-Don't wear a watch.

-Never wear a watch.

0:39:450:39:48

So that's why you're selling. Fingers crossed we get the top end.

0:39:480:39:51

-OK? It is collectible.

-Absolutely.

-It's very collectible.

0:39:510:39:54

We're going to find out what the bidders think. Here we go.

0:39:540:39:57

The Hermes 18 carat gold wristwatch, brown leather strap.

0:39:570:40:01

Can I say £200 to start me?

0:40:010:40:03

£150 on the book. At 150. 150. Sorry?

0:40:030:40:06

-200. At 200. At 200 on the phone.

-Right, we're there.

0:40:060:40:10

220. 240. 250. 280. 300?

0:40:100:40:14

300. 320. 350?

0:40:140:40:16

350. 380. 400?

0:40:160:40:19

-This is better.

-400. 400 on the phone. At £400. 20 anywhere?

0:40:190:40:23

-Phone's taking it now.

-At £400, I'm bid. 420 now.

0:40:230:40:27

At £400.

0:40:270:40:28

Yes, hammer's gone down. Top end of the estimate. Well done, Philip.

0:40:280:40:32

-Well done.

-Good price.

0:40:320:40:33

Do you know what? That watch would look great on a modern lady today.

0:40:330:40:37

I'm glad it's gone. Somebody's going to use it, which is...

0:40:370:40:39

-You know, I don't use it.

-That's the most important thing -

0:40:390:40:42

-these things have to be used.

-Good news.

0:40:420:40:44

-Thanks, Phil.

-Pleasure.

-There's no point in keeping a beautiful

0:40:440:40:48

piece like that in a drawer.

0:40:480:40:50

Right now, it's time to rock the saleroom.

0:40:500:40:53

Yes, literally, because we have a Fender Jaguar guitar going

0:40:530:40:56

under the hammer, belonging to Richard and Annette.

0:40:560:40:59

Great to meet you both.

0:40:590:41:00

I've got to say, I had a Fender Jaguar. Do you play?

0:41:000:41:04

No, only about three chords.

0:41:040:41:06

Three chords, that's all you need to write a great rock song!

0:41:060:41:10

-E, G, A. Smoke on the Water.

-Yes!

0:41:100:41:13

Look, I think 300 to 500 is sensible

0:41:130:41:16

and let's hope se can find a young guy to earn a living from this

0:41:160:41:19

guitar, write some songs, get in a band and earn a living.

0:41:190:41:23

That's what it's all about. OK? Fingers crossed. Here we go.

0:41:230:41:26

What's it for the Fender? Bit of interest in this as well.

0:41:260:41:29

Three, four bids on the books. I've got to start at £420.

0:41:290:41:33

At 42, hit the right note.

0:41:330:41:34

-420. 440.

-Yes, this guy's buying it, look.

0:41:340:41:37

500. 520. 540. 560. 580. 600.

0:41:370:41:42

620. 640. 660. 680, with you. I'm out on the book.

0:41:420:41:46

700. 720? 720.

0:41:460:41:49

740.

0:41:490:41:50

740. 760. 760. 780?

0:41:500:41:53

-800.

-Telephone bid.

0:41:530:41:54

At £800. 820, both in the room.

0:41:540:41:58

850. 880.

0:41:580:41:59

880. 900? 900. 920.

0:41:590:42:02

-920.

-Are you all right?

0:42:020:42:04

Hold on to me.

0:42:040:42:06

980. 1,000. And 50?

0:42:060:42:08

And 50. 1,100?

0:42:080:42:10

-£1,050.

-Are you OK?

0:42:100:42:12

£1,050, gentleman in the glasses.

0:42:120:42:15

At £1,050. At £1,050.

0:42:150:42:18

-£1,050. Yes!

-Golly!

0:42:180:42:21

Those guys just missed it, look.

0:42:210:42:23

Everyone loves an under bidder and thank those guys for that,

0:42:230:42:27

because that guy had to pay £1,050 because those two wanted it.

0:42:270:42:30

There's a tear in your eye. I can see it. There's a tear in your eye.

0:42:300:42:33

-Yeah, yeah.

-Wow! That is a lot of money, isn't it?

0:42:330:42:36

-What are you going to do with that?

-Grandchildren.

-What are their names?

0:42:360:42:40

-Lowenna, Alan and Brett.

-Lowenna's a good Cornish name.

0:42:400:42:43

Just a bit.

0:42:430:42:44

And my granddaughter, she's expecting her first baby in June,

0:42:440:42:48

so that's our first great-grandchild.

0:42:480:42:51

-Aw!

-Aw! How lovely.

-What a way to end the show as well.

0:42:510:42:55

Rock and roll! I hope you've enjoyed it as well.

0:42:550:42:58

Join us again for many more surprises but, until then,

0:42:580:43:01

from all of us here in Lostwithiel, it's goodbye, isn't it?

0:43:010:43:04

It really is, with a big major chord. Da-nah!

0:43:040:43:08

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