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Welcome to the greatest rugby stadium in the world,

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Home to the world champions, England, this is Twickenham, and this is Flog It.

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The stadium is home to the English Rugby Union, and when the redevelopment on the south stand

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over there is finished in 2007, the arena will hold 82,500 people.

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And the two stars of our Flog It team today are experts David Barby and Philip Serrell.

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Let's see if they can spot any record deals on the blue tables.

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Hopefully, David will be scoring a few points for Flog It with his first item.

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Well, Deirdre, I think you and I are of the same opinion. We don't like this, do we?

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Not very much.

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I can understand why you want to sell it as well.

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Yes, it's not quite my...my style.

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-Not your cup of tea.

-No, no.

-Erm...

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It's set firmly in sort of the middle of the rather prudish Victorian period.

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-Mm-hm.

-I say prudish, because this is an inkwell,

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and to cover up anything so utilitarian,

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they had to put this rather over-decorated top on the surface.

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-Date of it...about 1860, 1865, that sort of period.

-Gosh.

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-It's in hard-paste porcelain, and this was produced in old Bohemia.

-Yeah.

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This is intriguing, because they loved to look back to the past,

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and here we have an 18th-century scene of two fairly young people, one painting on an easel.

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What is so remarkable is the condition of it, there's no damage.

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-No.

-There's nothing missing, nothing chipped off.

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Has it always been protected in your home?

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Yes, yes, it's been in the cabinet.

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It's been in the cabinet. So you must have treasured it somewhere along the line.

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Well, it came from my uncle, so it had a sentimental value, but it wasn't quite my cup of tea.

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Right, well, I think there's going to be a market.

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There are collectors of inkwells, and I think what is so nice about this...we take the top off,

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and there we have the two inkwells that can be removed to wash out.

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It's rather nice, and it smacks of the social history of the middle middle-classes.

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-Yeah.

-Price?

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I would say probably around about £45-60.

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Oh, that's not bad... Yeah.

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-It surprises me, actually.

-Really?

-Mmm.

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-I should have said 20, shouldn't I?

-No!

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No? Well, let's hope we get that sort of price range.

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-I'm sure somebody's going to love it as part of their collection.

-Yeah.

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-Deirdre, thank you very much for coming along.

-Thank you.

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Well, Jenny,

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neither you nor I need to be told what this is, do we?

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-No!

-I reckon that this stuff makes more appearances on Flog It than anything else.

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-It's a piece of Troika, isn't it?

-Yes.

-How did you come by it?

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About 30 years ago in Bridport Market I was looking

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-for a modern vase, cos I'd recently started flower-arranging...

-Yeah.

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..and, erm...bought it for £10.

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10 quid.

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If we turn it over, we can see the mark, "Troika, England,"

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and there's nothing I can add to that. We've all seen it so many times -

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from Cornwall. A painter's mark here, which I can't recognise.

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I think it's RSB or RGB, erm...

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Date, I would think probably 1965 to about 1972.

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I mean, some of it's quite sweet, isn't it? I mean, that is quite

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-Beatles guitar-shaped, isn't it, you know?

-Yes, yeah.

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-And that looks like it's just come out of Doctor Who, really.

-That's right.

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It's either Doctor Who or it's a train coming at you, isn't it? I can't quite work out which.

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Troika's really collectible.

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Whether it's gonna be collectible or not in ten years' time, I'm not sure.

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These things tend to come and go in fashions and fads.

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I think this is worth today...£200-300,

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and I think we put a reserve on it of...£200 with 10% discretion.

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So that would be my idea. I'm sure the auction house can identify the artist for us,

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but, you know, I think it'll sell and sell well.

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What I find really strange about this business - and I find it really, really strange -

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we've got here a piece of...

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-mid-20th-century art pottery that's worth £200-300.

-Yeah.

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I'm a bit biased, cos I come from Worcester.

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You can go and buy a piece of 18th-century Worcester porcelain that was made in the first 25

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-years of the factory, you know, when English porcelain making was really at its birth, you know?

-Yes.

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Right up at the cutting edge, and you can go and buy a tea bowl or a saucer for well under £100.

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And it's 1765, 1775.

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Yeah, yeah, that much older.

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-Now, this, you know, which is 200 years later...I just don't understand that.

-No.

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-But it doesn't matter what I think, does it?

-No, not really.

-Shall we get it sold?

-Yes, please.

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So what are you gonna spend your £200 plus on?

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-A visit to the dentist.

-Oh, that sounds painful! Really?

-Yeah.

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I'm not sure whether I hope it sells or not for you,

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-cos you've got a lot of grief coming if it does sell.

-Yeah.

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Kim, this looks so striking, it really does.

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It's sort of big and bold, and it says everything about

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Austin, a lovely little pressed-steel pedal car. Now, is this yours?

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-Yes, it is.

-So did you have this as a young girl, then?

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Yes, I had it from the age of two.

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-And who bought this for you?

-My mum and dad.

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-Did secretly they want a son, do you think?

-I don't know!

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Why did they buy you, a little girl, a pedal car?

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Yeah, my dad just come home one day from work with it and...

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-I think he fell in love with it, don't you?

-Probably, yeah, yeah.

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It is a fantastic pressed-steel pedal car, a little Austin car.

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It's a J40, a little joy car.

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They also made a Pathfinder, which is extremely popular.

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And there should be a serial number in the boot, just down there,

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which is punched in with a stamp, which is 30009.

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So that is a lovely little...J40.

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This was the Rolls-Royce in pressed-steel cars in its day.

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-This would have cost a lot of money in the '50s.

-Right.

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So you've got lots of memories of pedalling this around the garden?

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-Yes, and in the park and...

-Have you got kids yourself?

-Yes, I have.

-And did they use this?

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-No, they didn't.

-They never did?

-No.

-So what did you do, then, when...

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Obviously, as an adult, you put it in the garage or in the loft?

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It was in the shed, in the garden shed, all covered up with blankets,

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-so it kept it away from the rain and the damp.

-For the last 30-odd years.

-Yeah, yeah.

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-Well, it hasn't started to rust, but you have had it resprayed, haven't you?

-Yes, we have, yeah.

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So obviously you realised its worth

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-to look after it like that.

-Yeah.

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And I've noticed...its front grille, its back bumper and its front bumper

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-are missing, so you've taken them off to be re-chromed.

-Yes, we have.

-And you've got them here.

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It looks like brand-new, doesn't it?

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The chroming is very good quality.

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So this just needs reassembling, cos it's all here.

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-Yes.

-Good for you, looking after it and not chucking it away.

-Thanks. Are you sure you want to sell this?

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Yes, I do, I want it to go to a good home

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and someone else get some fun out of it, as I did when I was a child.

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I would like to think this will get

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the sort of £1,200 mark in an auction, on a good day, fingers crossed...

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-Yep

-..with two people bidding against each other.

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But I'd like to put it into auction with a valuation of £700-1,000.

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-OK.

-Would that suit you?

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-Yes, that would, that would be great.

-Are you sure?

-Yep.

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-Well, shall we flog it, then?

-Yes, I think we should.

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Well, this is the first time I've met two peas in a pod.

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-Oh, right.

-We've got Pete and Pat.

-Indeed.

-So who does this belong to? Does it belong to you, Pat?

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No, it belongs to me.

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-It belongs to you.

-Yeah.

-So how did you acquire this?

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Well, my brother got it from his mother in-law and...

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He gave it to you?

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-Well, he didn't, he sold it to me.

-Well, I never!

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-He said, "If you can restore it, we'll split the difference."

-So you brought it along to Flog It.

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So I thought, "No, I don't want to know,"

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-so I've brought it along here, yeah.

-Oh, good, good. So in fact you are a professional antique restorer.

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-Yeah, yeah.

-Do you have your house full of antiques, Pat?

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I wish!

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-Just one or two, yes.

-Untouched!

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And beautiful furniture that Peter has made, actually.

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Ah, right, that's where the skill is.

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-Absolutely.

-So this was a piece of furniture which...

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gentlemen of quality had in their office or their study,

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and the two doors retained everything relating to the office.

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And also...

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at one stage, there would have been a calendar here

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in this little compartment, which moves out, so foolscap or A4 paper could have gone in the back there.

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Nice little piece. I notice that you've done some restoration on the hinges here,

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-but you didn't go as far as to put the divisions in. Why was that?

-I ran out of wood.

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-You ran out of wood.

-Yeah, I couldn't get the walnut.

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Right. Now, there are other things that are missing on this,

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in particular, inkwells,

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although you can buy replacement inkwells today.

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And what I like is this section here, which pushes up,

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so if you had any pens there, you could easily retrieve them.

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And also it has a secret compartment, cos when I move this...

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oops, that shoots out underneath.

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So what would you put in there?

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Stamps, seals, postal orders, anything of that ilk.

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Now, how much is this going to realise at auction?

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What are you expecting?

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Well, I paid 150 for it.

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-I think you'd be fortunate if you recovered that amount...

-Mm-hm.

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..so I'm going to place...probably around about 160-180.

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-Yeah.

-If we make any more, I should be delighted for you.

-Wonderful!

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It's time to see if we can get some early points on the scoreboard.

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Even though it's not to David's taste,

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I'm sure someone will be charmed by Deirdre's Victorian inkwell.

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Love it or hate it, there's usually money to be made with Troika.

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And has my heart ruled my head with this beautifully restored Austin pedal car?

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David hopes the time and energy Peter put in to restore the wooden office box will pay off.

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For today's sale, we've travelled down the road to the Chiswick Auction Rooms, and, as you can see,

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the room is absolutely jam-packed, full of potential bidders hoping to pay top prices.

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Fingers crossed for our owners' items.

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And the man in charge of the day's proceedings is auctioneer Tom Keane.

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Tom, I'm feeling slightly nervous at this point - this is one of my valuations.

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As you know, it's an Austin J40, it's a lovely pedal car.

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It belongs to Kim. We've come to an agreement between the two of us.

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She won't go any lower than £700, so we've gotta get £700 for this. That is the threshold.

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I think it's lovely and I think it's undervalued,

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even at £700, but...the research we've done, they're not really making £700 - sort of 650, 600.

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I'm just bubbling over the top, aren't I?

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This has been resprayed - she spent a lot of money on it.

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And I think she wants to get her money back, otherwise she's going to keep it for the rest of her life.

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I think she devalued it by getting it so over-restored, if you like.

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She'd have been better off not spending the money,

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putting it into auction as it was and probably getting £400-500 for it - for someone else to restore it.

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-But she's, em...

-But she's proud of it, you see?

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She should be, it's nice. I used to make mine out of prams - this is fantastic, isn't it?

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But they're undervalued just because...

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they're on the internet making £650, £600 at the moment,

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so I can't see someone coming to auction paying £700 plus a buyer's premium,

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which makes it over eight, and then go somewhere else and buy it a bit cheaper.

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So that's where my reasoning comes from, but I hope I'm wrong.

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We can't say any more. It's down to the bidders of the Chiswick

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-Auction Room to decide if this is gonna go under the hammer and sell.

-We'll see.

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For those of you who are short on office space, this is definitely the lot for you.

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It's a little tiny stationery cabinet.

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It's so compact, and it belongs to Peter and Pat here.

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We're looking for a valuation of hopefully around £180-200.

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I'm pretty sure we'll get it, it's a lovely little item. It's been restored, hasn't it?

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Have you sort of got your hands over it and sort put some magic on it?

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-A little bit, yeah.

-A little bit.

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What is it about wood that fascinates you?

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Well, I've been doing it all my life, and it's alive, isn't it?

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-I love passing my hands over wood and things like that.

-So do I.

-You get such a thrill, don't you?

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Yeah, you do. And you just realise the life and the energy

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that's there, you know, and what it's been used for, and it tells a story.

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-Well, that's right, it's got a story, that's right.

-Well, we've been bigging this up.

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Let's hope we do get the top end, cos it's going under the hammer right now.

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Victorian walnut table-top stationery cabinet, with the fitted interior there.

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Number 224, it's also got a secret frieze drawer.

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It's a good lot, start me at £100, please, no less. £100 for it?

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Thank you, I'm bid £100...

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We're in, 100.

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..Give me 110 for it and take it along. 110 I'm bid, at 110.

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120, 130, 140. 150, 160. 170...

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-We've sold it.

-..160 is bid.

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The bid's there at 160, at 160 are you saying no? Are you out?

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£160, then. Selling. All done? Are you sure? £160 and going.

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So what are you going to do with £160?

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Well, we've got a little granddaughter, Tilly.

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-Aw, that's a sweet name.

-She's only ten weeks old. So we're going to buy her something.

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-Oh, she is an absolute joy.

-Is that the first grandchild?

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No, I'm a great granddad.

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You're a great granddad?! Aw...!

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Well, enjoy it, won't you? Thanks you so much for coming.

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-Thank you, David.

-Well done, David.

-Thank you.

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Jenny and myself are flying the flag for Cornwall right now.

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Kernow, in fact, because we've got some Troika just about to go under the hammer.

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It's a gorgeous vase. £200-300 our expert Philip has put on this.

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This has really surprised us on Flog It. Over the last two years,

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it has become the collectible to get your hands on, and it's just escalating out of proportion.

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It has got to stop one day, but hopefully not today.

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I think the rough thing about antiques, Paul, is if anything goes like that, it goes like that.

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And what you really want is a nice steady appreciation.

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But while there are people out there collecting Troika, it's going to make its money.

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-Exactly. We're going to turn 10 quid into £200-300.

-We hope.

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-That's not bad, is it?

-No.

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Lot number 257 now.

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A good Troika square-section blue glaze vase. Troika.

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What is it worth, for the Troika? £200 for it?

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£100 for it. I'm bid £100. 110 I'm bid. 120, 130, 140, 150.

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There's an opening. 150, 160, 170, 180.

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180, 190? 180. I'm bid at 180. He says no. 180, we're done at 180.

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190 again? 200 there...

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-Bit more!

-Bit more!

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..220, 230,

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240, 250,

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260, 270, 280, 290. 300?

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290? Standing at 290.

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Anyone else want to come in at 290? £290 and going.

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Yes! £290.

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-It never fails, does it?

-Excellent.

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Right now, Kim and I need some pedal power for this lovely little Austin car.

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-And there's lots of memories?

-Yes.

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I did have a chat with the auctioneer earlier.

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You know this, but YOU don't, Kim.

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And he said... I think I've overvalued it.

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That is what he said, "I think you have, Paul."

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He would have put, probably, 650 on it.

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We have a reserve at seven, but probably with a bit of discretion.

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So, hopefully, my lower end would be his top end.

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-Right.

-So we will sell it.

-OK. Let's hope.

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The postbox-red Austin J40 car.

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Who's there? Old tin-plate car there, original '50s one in very good condition, recently restored.

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Nice thing. £500 for it?

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Who will bid £500 to start me?

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Where's a bid at £500?

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I'm bid £500.

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550 now, £500. 550 or not? At £500.

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No further bids at £500? Starting bid and finishing bid at £500.

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Have another look. If you change your mind, come and see us. It's worth more.

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-I'm so sorry.

-It's all right. We saw one on the internet for £1,200,

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-so we'll go back to that idea.

-Yep.

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Unfortunately our next owner, Deirdre, cannot be with us today.

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She's got work commitments. So good luck, Deirdre, we're flying the flag for you.

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David Barby's here, your valuer. And we have that inkwell just about to go under the hammer.

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-Excellent.

-Here we go.

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360 is a late-19th-century glazed ceramic double inkwell.

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What shall we bid for this? £50?

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£50? £30?

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£30, 32, 35, 38,

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40, 42, 45, 48, 50. 5?

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-60...

-Oh!

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This is good.

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-..£60, you've got it, all done.

-Yes! £60.

-Oh, that's good. Well done, Deirdre.

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-I hope she's pleased with that.

-So do I. So am I.

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Now, what could be a more logical choice for an international rugby

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museum than here in Twickenham, the home of English rugby?

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If you love rugby, this is definitely the place to come and visit, because it houses the best collection

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of rugby memorabilia in the world and it takes you on a journey

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through the history of the sport - its origins in an English public school, right up to the present day.

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Now, one man who's a walking almanac on rugby is the curator here, Jed Smith.

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Jed, this has got to be a dream job for you, because you absolutely adore rugby.

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What is it about the sport that's so addictive?

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The game is just a wonderful coming-together of people.

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It's got a wonderful spirit, friendship, camaraderie. If you come to the Twickenham Stadium

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on a match day, you've got 80,000 people all cheering for their team, but they're sitting all together.

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There's no hint of aggression or violence, it's a wonderful day out, and it's just a lovely culture.

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Why was Twickenham the home of international rugby?

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Why did they build a stadium here?

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Well, for many years, England didn't have their own home stadium.

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They used to rent club grounds around the country.

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So they played in Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Bristol, wherever they could get a good pitch.

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But then they found they weren't making a profit.

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They were spending more money each time than they were making income.

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And about 100 years ago, the All Blacks came over for the first time, the New Zealand side.

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-A cracking team!

-A wonderful side, they just revolutionised the game.

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We played in the Crystal Palace and the had to hire the ground and it cost us more money than we took in

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in revenue, and we thought, "No, we need to have our own ground."

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So they looked around for a pitch and they bought this plot of land here in 1907.

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-Just to the west of London, which is ideal really, isn't it?

-Absolutely.

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Tell me a little bit more about the history of the game.

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Where did it start and who invented it?

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It started at Rugby School in Warwickshire, hence the name "rugby football".

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It gradually evolved over about 20, 30 years. 1820s, 1830s.

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And it slowly developed, piecemeal, as the boys at Rugby School added more to it and took more away

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from it, until eventually, in the 1840s, you had a set of rules written for the first time,

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and those set of rules were then spread around the country, taking the game with them.

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So tell me how it's changed, then. How's it developed? I mean, were there 20 players in a team?

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Well, at Rugby School, you'd have had hundreds, and the game could officially have lasted three days.

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And they used to have a set of rules that said if the game was drawn after three days,

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you could call it quits.

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There were laws which allowed you to throttle, to hack the shins.

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There was all sorts of laws.

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We think the game's rough now, but if you played at Rugby School, you would die. It was horrific!

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To demonstrate how the game has changed, we've got a couple of artefacts here.

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The heavy cotton England jersey.

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Very heavy, very strong, very hard-wearing.

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And of course, when it gets wet, it's twice as heavy.

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It sticks to you, and it's easy for opposition players to grasp, hold onto, pull you back.

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And this was the England jersey for over 100 years. It didn't really alter.

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But then over the last few years, the jersey has been revolutionised.

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-This is a modern jersey. Feel how lightweight it is in comparison.

-Yes, and very quick-drying.

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Very tight to the skin, so there's less chance of being caught hold of.

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You've got these sort of textured lumps here, so you can hold onto a colleague in the scrum.

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Also, if you're holding the ball close to you, there's less chance of it slipping off you.

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Not as strong, but it doesn't need to be.

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These jerseys were made when you needed to have a jersey for two or three years.

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Now the England team, you know, they swap a half-time and have a new jersey at half-time!

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Here's two other items which again show how the game has changed.

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This is a replica of how a rugby ball would have appeared in the 1850s.

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-Absolutely massive.

-It's enormous. You can feel it's got some weight to it. And that's when it is dry.

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-If that was soaking wet... And that's going to have some power behind it.

-And that's a modern ball?

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This is an absolute genuine, up-to-date ball.

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But this is more than a ball. This is the ball that was used in the Rugby World Cup final

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-when Jonny Wilkinson kicked that goal to win England the competition.

-That famous kick?

-That famous kick.

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'And it's coming back for Jonny Wilkinson!

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'He drops for World Cup glory!

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'It's over!

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'He's done it!

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'Jonny Wilkinson is England's hero, yet again!

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'And there's no time for Australia to come back!

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'England have just won the World Cup!'

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Well, from a modern-day superstar to something that reminds us how the game used to be played.

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-Who wore this shirt, cos it's absolutely tiny?

-It is tiny.

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It's a guy called Clayton, who played in Liverpool at the time.

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-The rose has faded, hasn't it?

-It has, yes.

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It would have been red originally, but the colours have died off.

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-A lot more foliage?

-A lot more foliage, absolutely, yes.

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The jerseys would have been purchased by the player, the wives would have put the embroidery on it,

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and all the roses were different.

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So you can usually tell a player by their jersey, because the sign of the rose was quite unique.

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So he came from Liverpool, his name was Clayton, it's an England jersey. Who were they playing?

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They were playing against Scotland, in Edinburgh.

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The very first international match, 1871.

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They went up on third-class carriages, on wooden boards, overnight.

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This was very, very much an amateur sport. And we lost.

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So it was a Scotland victory, first international, and we've held it against them ever since.

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And did Scotland then win the Calcutta Cup for that?

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-The Calcutta Cup wasn't introduced until about six years later.

-Right, OK.

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-And that was the first home international?

-Absolutely.

-Well, let's look at that cup.

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Let's look at the Calcutta Cup.

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Well, there is so much to see here, Jed.

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Where does the core of the collection come from? Has it been donated?

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Yes, absolutely. We rely on donations, like any museum.

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But also former players and their families are very kind and they let us have items of interest.

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That's quite nice, ex-professional letting go.

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-But it's our social history.

-Absolutely, and it's a place for

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the memorabilia to go. It will be here forever for the public to see.

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Well, here it is, the Calcutta Cup.

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-Yes and no.

-Why? What's wrong with it?

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This isn't the original, cos the original's in Edinburgh.

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-Why's that?

-Because Scotland beat England.

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-Of course they did!

-So whoever wins the trophy gets to keep it for a year, and it's up in Edinburgh.

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-Hopefully only for a year!

-So we win next year, the original comes back.

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-Does the replica go up to Scotland?

-This replica will go into storage.

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Hopefully for a long time, but you can't guarantee these things.

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It's very impressive looking and I know it was made from melted-down silver rupees.

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Absolutely, hence the name Calcutta Cup.

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There was a club in India who played the game. They went into liquidation

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They took their coins out the bank, melted them down, had them made into a trophy,

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presented it to the RFU and said, "Our club might be going, but we'd like the name to survive."

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-And it has - everyone knows Calcutta Cup.

-Why England-Scotland?

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-What's wrong with Wales and Ireland?

-At the time, Wales weren't playing international rugby.

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There was only three nations - England, Scotland and Ireland.

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Ireland had played six matches, had not scored a point.

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So they thought, "Forget that. Let's just call it England-Scotland."

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So it by default became the England-Scotland Trophy.

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-Jed, thank you for taking time out to show me around.

-Pleasure.

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Well, it looks like sport is the theme today.

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Back at the valuation, Philip has been bowled over.

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Do you know what I love about this programme, Diana? You meet different people with different things.

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And I've been doing this job now for 30 years.

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I've never seen one of these before.

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It's brilliant. How long have you had it?

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Well, I've had it quite some time.

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My grandmother used to keep it in a cupboard.

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But I think, originally, my aunt,

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who used to work for a doctor in Gloucestershire,

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and I think he gave it to her and then,

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obviously, my grandmother kept it.

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Then when I started teaching,

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my grandmother gave it to me, cos she thought it would

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be useful for me to use it at school,

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that the children would be interested in seeing it.

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Do you know what the great thing is?

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All we've done is talk about "it", and no one who's

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watching this at home knows what "it" is! Shall we show them?

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The easiest thing to do... You've got basically three wheels.

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And they flick round like that.

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And they effectively, all these little still photographs...

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On each of these little pages there's a still photograph.

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And if you move them very, very quickly on a wheel so that they spin round and round like that,

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-you almost get the appearance of a movie.

-Yes.

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So now we've got the "Kinora", which is a make of a viewer.

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And we prop it up like that.

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That goes there like that.

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And I can see that's a nice touch.

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We've got this oak base. Hamley's.

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Hamley's, Regent Street, London.

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They're the best toy retailer there was. That's brilliant.

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This is, like, I suppose, the Gameboy of about 1910,

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-something like that?

-Yes, probably.

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And how it works is you peer down here and you just turn this round and round, and this is brilliant.

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And there's two cricketers here, any idea who they are?

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Well, I have been told that it's probably CB Fry

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-and Prince Ranjitsinhji.

-CB Fry.

-Probably in 1901.

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-A great man, CB Fry.

-Yes.

-He went to Repton School.

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I knew he'd captained England, that's all I know.

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This is going to be really sad, now. Do you remember...

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-Well, you wouldn't remember, a boys' comic called The Hornet?

-No. Was that before my time?

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Well, just a bit. And there was The Great Wilson and he was brilliant at every sport there was.

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And they reckoned The Great Wilson was modelled on CB Fry.

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-Really?

-He went to Repton School, he played cricket for England,

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played rugby for England, he played in goal in the FA Cup final,

0:28:330:28:36

he held the Olympic long-jump record,

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and I think he was offered the kingdom of some minor European country.

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And he was a war hero, and eventually ended up teaching children.

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A great, great man.

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-This one's a ballet scene, isn't it?

-Yes, it's The White Dove.

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-And this one here is...

-That's supposed to be three children of the Duke of York,

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who was later George V, at Marlborough House, I think it is.

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So what we need to make sure is that when they catalogue this, they get that in,

0:29:040:29:09

-they get in the Ranjitsinhji and CB Fry on the cricket reel...

-Yes.

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And this is then going to appeal to two people.

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And we want the auction room to perhaps notify cricket collectors,

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of which there are many, and also collectors of this type of viewer.

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I think, in auction, we can put an estimate on this of £150 to £300.

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-And I think we'll put a reserve on it of £150 with a little bit of discretion.

-Yes.

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But I think it's brilliant. I'm just going to take a bit of time to watch the perfect off-drive.

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This has gotta be one of the nicest guitars I've ever held. Do you play?

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-I do a bit, yeah.

-Go on, play a bit for us.

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Lovely.

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OK, tell me - I'm quite excited to hear, does this have pride of place in your home?

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Well, it's on my bathroom wall.

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-On your bathroom wall?

-On my bathroom wall, yes.

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Where did you get it from?

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It belonged to my mother-in-law.

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She was in service.

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Um, the person she worked for

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emigrated to New Zealand and allowed her to have it.

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-And she's no longer with us?

-She's no longer with us, not for long since.

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This is an extraordinary piece, why are you contemplating selling it?

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Well, I'm moving soon and I don't think it'll have a place in my new home cos it's a much smaller house

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and lots of bits and bobs have to go and this is one of them.

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Right, cos what you have in front of you,

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in front of US,

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is one of the finest examples of Minton coloured glaze

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called Majolica wares that I've ever seen.

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The design was based on a Palissy ware,

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which is 17th-century French.

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And he produced these huge platters which were used for serving exotic food.

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Oh, not to hang on a wall?

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That came later, that's a Victorian concept.

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As you ate your meal, you gradually reveal this design underneath.

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One of his most famous designs was a fairly large platter with Venus in a bath.

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-Wow.

-That would have had seafood all around.

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So here we have this wonderful example, this is Minton,

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dating from, I would say, 1867-70, that sort of period.

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And it's very finely worked.

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Even forgetting the little section, just looking at the border,

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these grotesque heads and seraphim are reminiscent of the Renaissance period.

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The sort of things you'd find on Della Robbia pottery of the Renaissance.

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It's got so much in this piece that would attract me.

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Now this is a very sought-after market at the moment.

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It became fashionable about ten years ago and I think it is still

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there, it hasn't peaked.

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And the price this will achieve at auction is somewhere between £1,500 and £2,000.

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-Wow!

-Does that shock you rather?

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-Yeah.

-Oh, dear - I hope I'm right!

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Yeah, that's fantastic.

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I hope it makes that sort of level.

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My heart's going, bang, bang, bang.

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I never usually have that effect on people!

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-You know what you've brought?

-We do indeed.

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Clarice Cliff, Newport pottery, crocus pattern, 1930s,

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-nothing much more to be said, is there?

-Not a lot.

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Well, I want to talk to you about the history behind it,

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cos there's a bit more history than usual with this.

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Well me husband and me new family all came from Stoke on Trent and the family story goes that

0:33:140:33:21

Granny Mould, my mother-in-law, was a personal friend of Clarice Cliff

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and we had loads of it in the '50s and '60s and I've

0:33:260:33:31

watched it being broken over the years and I feel now it's time to...

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-Stop breaking it!

-..part with it before I watch any more go.

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So your family has this connection with Clarice Cliff?

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Yes - the girls who painted it used to say they could do the crocus pattern in their sleep.

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They said it was literally just a case of blobbing their paintbrushes on.

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It's just a brushstroke, a brushstroke, with a final brushstroke down the middle.

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-That's right.

-Just four little strokes and that's the crocus pattern.

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-That's almost mass production, isn't it?

-Yes!

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Some interesting bits here - we've got the cruet, the mustard

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-the teapot has got a bit of a dink out of it.

-It has indeed.

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The little pot, there's a bit of a dink out of it.

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That was in the garden with a pot plant in at one time.

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-Was it a crocus?

-Don't think so.

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-I'm gonna propose that we offer it all as one lot.

-OK.

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I'm gonna propose that we put an estimate on it of...

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-£200 to £400. We'll put a reserve on it of £200 and give the auctioneer 10% discretion.

-OK.

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Can I ask you,

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it's gonna be quite a whisper this...

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(do you like Clarice Cliff?) You've got to be honest here.

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-Not terribly, no.

-Not terribly?

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No, I can't say as I'm overkeen.

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-(I don't like Clarice Cliff either.)

-I know - you've said before.

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But it doesn't matter what you and I think, the whole point is there's a market out there for collectors.

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-So you're happy with that?

-(I'll say my prayers.)

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Well, let's say a quick prayer for all our items going under the hammer.

0:34:590:35:03

Our resident sportsman, Philip, fell in love with the unusual Kinora mutoscope.

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David is just as excited by Kay's Minton plate, but will his high valuation stand up to scrutiny?

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And it's normally a winner on Flog It!

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but will the family connection help this Clarice Cliff keep up the trend?

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Tom, what do you think of this? A bit of Victorian Minton - has it got it for you?

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Unexcited.

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He's not excited. I can tell you David was over the moon, our expert.

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I belongs to Kay and he's put a valuation of £1,500 to £2,000.

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-I think we'll struggle.

-Why's that?

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I don't think it's got enough going.

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Minton, to make big money, it has to be figurines, and very impressive and "look at me".

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And this hasn't got it.

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They do do well at auction, but I'd have said more like £600 to £800 on that, to get it away.

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Really? That low? Surely this is the kind of thing though, it's got a

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great name, the condition is superb, it's got the look -

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this is the sort of thing the Americans might buy, on the internet?

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That'll help, but what would help even more is a more reasonable estimate in the first place

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and I think it's been a touch overestimated, but I've been wrong before.

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A touch over at 6 to 8 - I think we're well over.

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Hopefully there's a happy medium, but I know there's a reserve of 1,500.

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Well, we'll try our best and if there's a chance...

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This one could be a struggle, but don't go away, watch this space, cos we need to get this away for Kay.

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We'll try.

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This next item is a cracking lot, it's a Kinora mutoscope and it belongs to Diana.

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I've got to say, I would not be selling this.

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It's been in your family a long time, it was at your grandma's house?

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She must have had some fun with that?

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Cos that was really inventive - back then, that was almost as good as TV.

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Yes, it was.

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Without the licence fee!

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I know you love the Doves, but Philip, our expert,

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fell in love with the cricket and I think, like you,

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this could be a little sleeper, if two people want this.

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Yeah, it's not mentioned in the catalogue that

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there's a cricket connection and that might be CB Fry.

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It could be, couldn't it?

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-It's just a great thing - I'd love to own it.

-Anyway, all the talking's over with,

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it's just about to go under the hammer. This is it.

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Lot 120, I'm selling an oak-and-metal mounted

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Kinora moving picture machine.

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With three reels and retailed by Hamley's, a good little lot.

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Is that worth £100? Start me please, at £100.

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Who's in for £100?

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I'm bid £100, thank you. 110, I'm bid, at 110. 120, 130, 140.

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Still cheap.

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140, 150. 160, 170.

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180, 190. 200?

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190 is bid, standing bid of 190. Selling for 190, all done at 190?

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You've got it at 190, thank you.

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We've done it, we've sold it mid-estimate, not bad going.

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No, that's not bad...

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-I'm probably quite sorry.

-Oh! That's the problem, isn't it?

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When you're selling things that you've seen as a child, lots of memories, it evokes lots of passions.

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-Oh, you're not upset, are you?

-No, no!

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Kay, your gorgeous Minton plate.

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We've got a valuation of £1,500 to £2,000.

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I had a chat to the auctioneer earlier,

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he thinks it might struggle.

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He said he'd put something around 800 on this to get it away, so we've got to prove him wrong.

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346 now, a scarce Minton Majolica over wall charger, lot 346.

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Nicely described and catalogued, what's it worth?

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1,000 - who'll start me at £1,000?

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Starting at £800.

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Or I'll pass along.

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Do I hear £500 then?

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Looking for a bid of £500 to start me.

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-No bid at all?

-Nobody.

-£500.

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Who'll give me 550? 600. And fifty.

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£600, 650, 700. 650 over here.

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Are you all out at 650?

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-That's where the bidding stops.

-They're petering out now.

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Last chance at 650, no other bids?

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If you change your mind, come and see us, the owners want more.

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It's a packed room, but nobody here to buy that, that's for sure.

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Kay, I'm very, very sorry.

0:39:520:39:55

Put this into a specialist ceramics sale, I think.

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It's quality all the way through.

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When people buy antiques, they look for makers name, quality and conditions, it's got the lot.

0:40:000:40:05

I agree with David's valuation, he is our ceramics expert. David does know his onions, so stick with him.

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-So be it.

-It's the wrong room.

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Thanks for trying anyway.

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-Wrong room. Wrong time.

-That's all we can say!

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Yeah. I'm so sorry about that.

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It's a very interesting day anyway.

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This is auctions for you - it's not an exact science, it's all about

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getting the bidders here on the day or on the phone.

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It wouldn't be Flog It! without Clarice Cliff, would it?

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We couldn't let you down, we've got some on right now, it's a tea set and it belongs to Iris.

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There's a connection between your family and Clarice Cliff?

0:40:450:40:48

Yes, my husband came from Stoke-on-Trent

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and Granny Mould was a personal friend of Clarice Cliff.

0:40:510:40:55

-Let's hope that's a lucky omen. Were you happy with the valuation, two to four?

-I was.

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-Will we get that top end?

-We should do - Clarice Cliff perhaps not as popular as it was,

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but still hordes of people out there collecting.

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And Americans still love it.

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This is it, it's gonna be under the hammer now.

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I've been waiting for this, this is a great moment. Here we go, Iris.

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A collection of seven Clarice Cliff crocus pattern tableware, lot 316.

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£200, who'll start me at £200?

0:41:230:41:26

£100? I'm bid £100 in about four places.

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110. 120, 130. 140, 150.

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I do see you, I'll come back to you. 160, 170?

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170, would you like? 170, 180.

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190. 190, 200?

0:41:410:41:43

Against you, the bid's at 190, gimme 200. 210, 220.

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230.

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Against you. 230. 240. 250, 260.

0:41:520:41:55

270?

0:41:550:41:57

260 bid, 270 now.

0:41:570:41:59

280, 290. 300.

0:41:590:42:02

320.

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-Slowly but surely.

-320, new bidder.

0:42:050:42:07

340. 360, 380?

0:42:070:42:11

380 or not? 370, would you like?

0:42:110:42:15

370.

0:42:150:42:16

380? 370, are you all done at 370?

0:42:160:42:20

Selling at £370. 370 and gone.

0:42:200:42:24

-Yes!

-Lovely.

-That was a great result!

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It was her friends.

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£370!

0:42:300:42:32

Iris, what are you going to do with £370?

0:42:320:42:35

Less a bit of commission, but what will you do with it?

0:42:350:42:38

I've recently moved house and I need lots for the garden.

0:42:380:42:42

Are you planting up?

0:42:420:42:43

-Yeah.

-Lots of borders?

-There's going to be a few crocus bulbs.

-Oh, good.

0:42:430:42:48

Watch it grow, water it and think of Flog It!

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In memory of Clarice.

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That's lovely. Enjoy it, won't you?

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-And it keeps you fit and healthy, being out in the garden.

-Absolutely.

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Sadly, we're coming to the end of our day here at the Chiswick Auction Rooms and we've had our work cut out,

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but bailing us out at the end, our dear old friend, Clarice Cliff, does the business once again.

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I hope you've enjoyed the show. See you next time for lots more.

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