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For the last 37 years, an extraordinary event has taken place

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every winter on this very beach.

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Yes, on Boxing Day, hundreds of bathers turn up

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to brave the elements and have a dip in the freezing cold sea.

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Where else could Flog It be, but in Tenby.

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The crazy Boxing Day swimmers brave the freezing water here in Tenby

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to raise money for good causes and the organisers

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reward all those taking part with a commemorative medal.

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And there's also a prize for the best fancy dress.

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But mostly, people just enjoy taking part.

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Tenby - well, it's that sort of town.

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And the same spirit has brought all these people out here today

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to join the Flog It queue outside De Vallance,

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the community centre, in the heart of Tenby.

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Taking the plunge today with their valuations

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are our experts Philip Serrell and Charlie Ross.

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Now, will they sink or will they swim? What do you reckon?

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-Swim.

-Swim. Yes, of course they will.

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Right now, it's time to get the doors open and get this massive queue inside.

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First to the table is Philip with what can only be described as a gift.

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Brenda, how you doing?

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Very well, thank you.

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Now, I think this is really, really interesting.

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I've got one of these at home that was my grandfather's.

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They're always known as Queen Mary's gift box, aren't they?

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-Yes.

-But they're not really Queen Mary's cos they are...?

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-Princess Mary.

-Right. And I'm going to let you tell me all about it now,

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so you're going to become the Flog It expert

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-and I'll sit here and listen.

-The ambition of my life!

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-Come on, then.

-Well, this box was given to me by an elderly gentleman

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about 25 years ago, cos he knew I collected tins

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and I've got dozens of them and then I opened it up

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and inside was the original contents with the card from Princess Mary

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to the troops, which said, "With all best wishes

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"for a happy Christmas and a victorious new year."

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And this was in 1914.

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And then there was the original tobacco...

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and the cigarettes...

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..and the badge with "Victory" written on it. Yeah.

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So, let me just take one of these...

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Lord above!

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Look at that, eh?

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There's no health warning on those, is there?

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No, and it's got Princess Mary's stamp on it.

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It's got Princess Mary's monogram just there, hasn't it?

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And let's just see what else it's got in there.

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Have you seen that?

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-Yeah.

-Isn't that just lovely?

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-That's Princess Mary.

-Her photograph seated.

-Yeah.

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Let me just shut the box up so we can just still see this cover.

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What we see in the sale room today is normally just that, isn't it?

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-Yes.

-Cos these contents have long since gone.

-Yes.

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And the thing that I always think is really really sad

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-is they make little or no money.

-No, I know.

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Mind you, there were thousands of them distributed, weren't there?

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-Yeah, but I mean how many Beswick horses were there made?

-Yeah.

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-You know?

-That's true.

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And that, without the contents

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in an auction's probably, what, £5 or £10?

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-Yes. Something like that.

-And no more than that. And for people

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who've lost family in the First World War,

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I think they ought to be worth a whole load more than it is.

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Why are you selling it?

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Well, I've got so many hundreds of tins

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and the house we're in now,

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you can't display them like we used to be able to

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and I saw Flog It was coming and thought I'd find something quirky.

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You'd take it to Flog It and Flog It.

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Yeah. I don't know how many people have seen one with the contents.

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No. And that's the key thing, cos the fact that you've got all of this.

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I just think that's absolutely lovely

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and I think at auction this is going to make between 20 and £40.

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-And I think that you need a reserve on it at £15.

-Yeah.

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I think if someone's got 20 quid at the auction,

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-they've got a real bit of history there, haven't they?

-Yeah.

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And so, well done you, for bringing it in.

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-Some museum might buy it.

-Let's live in hope.

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-Let's live in hope.

-I don't know.

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Carol, I spotted this across the room.

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You were sitting there holding this and I almost ran over to see you

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because I got so excited about it. I think it's a splendid object,

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-rather wacky and wonderful.

-Strange looking.

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-How did you come by it?

-Well, my mum bought it.

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-It must have been a jumble sale, or some kind of sale.

-Yeah.

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And then, when she passed away, my son had it...

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but he's a bit of a coward, so...

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-he sent mother today.

-Did he come with you?

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-He's outside, I think.

-But he wants to sell it?

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-Yes.

-Do you know anything about it other than what you see?

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No, nothing at all. We didn't even know what it was used for,

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-or anything.

-No.

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It's a French word. It's an epergne.

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French word for a central table display. Normally, they're glass.

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You see trumpet shaped vases,

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in a holder and they're quite often cranberry glass, Vaseline glass.

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This - I have never seen a combination of

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death and flowers!

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This is, after all, a fighter plane,

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from obviously the First World War and it's even got some working parts.

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-That goes round. And the rudder works, as well.

-Yeah.

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And it's dated 1919, so we know when it was made.

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-Yeah.

-Right at the end of the war.

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The vases come out

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and you see it's got that sort of yellowy look, brass look...

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-I think, originally, it was silver plated.

-It's been well brassoed.

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It's been well cleaned to such an extent

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that there is no silver plate left on that, whatsoever.

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But I think it's beautifully modelled

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and I think it would be hugely collectable for the right person.

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-Why does he want to sell it?

-It's just stuck in the cupboard.

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It's no good in the cupboard. He doesn't like it, presumably.

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My mum had it out when she had it.

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-You've no idea what it might be worth.

-Nothing at all.

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But, on the other hand, if I told you it was worth £3,

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-you probably wouldn't want to sell it.

-No.

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Did he say, "Mum, I'll sell this provided it makes so much?"

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-Yes. Yes.

-Did he?

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-Yeah.

-And what did he say?

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-Well, will it be worth us going to the auction?

-Which is what?

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-30, we'd say it would cost.

-30?

-Yeah.

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I think it's worth £200 or £300.

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Oh, I think he'd sell it for that. Definitely.

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-I think we ought to put a reserve on it.

-Right.

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If we say £200 to 300 and put a fixed reserve of £100 on it,

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so the auctioneer mustn't sell it, under any circumstances, below that.

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-Right.

-And hopefully I'm proved right and it is worth £200 to 300.

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-Right. That's fine.

-Do you think that's fair enough?

-Yeah.

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I think a collector's going to have to have this.

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-I have never seen anything like it before.

-I haven't.

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I've never seen an epergne as a plane.

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I shouldn't think anybody else has.

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Francis, thank you for bringing in one of my favourite items.

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-No problem.

-I'm a tea caddy collector.

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-Are you?

-I've got half a dozen at home.

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Oh, my goodness. Now I know where this is going!

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-No, it's not going to my house, unfortunately.

-Oh, OK.

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-How long have you had this?

-I've owned it for a few years.

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My mother died in 2001, I think it was, and I inherited it then.

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But I think it's been in the family for some time.

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-Oh, that's nice.

-Yeah.

-But you don't want it, you don't use it?

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Well, I'm a collector of other things, Paul,

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and there's only sufficient room in one's house for various things.

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-Do you live in Tenby, by the sea?

-I live in Tenby, by the sea. Yeah.

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You've got a sort of naval theme going on there, a sailing theme.

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Well, yeah, there's not many of us old matelos left, you know.

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Let's have a look at this. Now, this is a lovely, lovely example.

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I think the inside is more striking and prettier than the outside.

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Yes, it is. You're right.

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Architecturally, there's a lot more interesting caddies on the market,

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but look at that. Three compartments on the inside.

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And lovely colouring.

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-Cuban mahogany. Brought back from the West Indies.

-Yep.

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I absolutely adore mahogany

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because if you select the grain properly and cut across the grain,

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you get this wonderful flame figuring,

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which you can see they've achieved on the front face... coming up...

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-and on the top face.

-Yep.

-And of course, on both sides, as well.

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Made in London, do you think?

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Possibly. Yes. It looks like a typical Regency piece.

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-This is a George III - 1805, 1810, something like that.

-OK.

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These were very very popular from the 17th century onwards.

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-Tea was brought back from the colonies from India.

-Right.

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It was such a valuable commodity,

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only the real rich people could afford this.

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Hence, most caddies had a lock on them

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-to stop the servants from pinching the tea.

-Right.

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Little ivory finials that you can lift the lids off.

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These would have been lined with a foil paper, to keep the tea fresh.

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-Yes.

-It's lost its lining. Two of these lids have a camber on them.

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They do, don't they?

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But that can be sorted out by a restorer.

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This compartment would have been a green tea and one for black tea.

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This would be an exotic blend or you could make your own mixture.

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-I see.

-And the word caddy basically comes from the Malay word catty,

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which is a weight of tea and it was always sold in a certain weight.

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-So that's where we get the word caddy from.

-I've never heard that before.

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I think it's really, really nice. And I don't think this is

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-going to sell to a purist tea caddy collector.

-No. No.

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He's going to be after something slightly more different,

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but as a treen box, I think it's definitely going to sell.

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-Right.

-Now, let's get down to the value.

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With the lid sorted out and with the original foil linings,

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we'd be looking in the region of £200 to £300.

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-Right. OK. Yep.

-So I think we should put this into auction,

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-with a value of around 100 to £130.

-Fair enough.

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Put a reserve on at £100,

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but we've got to pitch it at the lower end because of the damage.

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Right. Right. No problem.

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-Let's go with it.

-Let's Flog It.

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Yeah.

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Are you a bit of a drinker, Flo?

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-Well, I like a drink.

-I don't suppose your favourite tipple is?

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-No. It's not Guinness.

-What do you drink then?

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-I drink cider.

-Oh, gawd, that's fighting talk, that is!

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Oh, I don't drink a lot of it, but I like a cider.

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-How much, Flo?

-If I go out for an evening, I have about three halves.

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-Are you sure that's not pints?

-Not pints, no.

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I'll let you off, then. Where d'you get these from then, Flo?

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-Well, it was a Guinness rep that we were friendly with.

-Yeah.

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-And he gave them to us in the mid-1970s.

-Yeah.

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And we read were collectables.

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-Yeah.

-So we thought we'd come and...

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Time to get them gone.

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-Time to get them gone.

-Well, the man who invented this

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"My Goodness - My Guinness" campaign was Gilroy.

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And he sort of invented the posters and the caricatures

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in the 1920s and '30s

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and these are by Carlton Ware.

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I think these are probably Wade.

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And they're all based upon that Guinness advertising theme,

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-but what have you done with them?

-I don't know.

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I reckon, Flo, you packed these after your three halves of cider,

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cos we've got...

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that's broken off there, this poor chappie's got two broken legs.

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Our kangaroo, he's not going to hear a thing, is he?

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We've got a chip down here.

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Not quite sure what's happened on the back, there.

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Then we've got our Wellington boot and the turtle that I think's lovely.

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-Yes. The turtle is nice, isn't it?

-Yes.

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They'd all be lovely, Flo, but you've played football with them!

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If these were in perfect order, you could well have £150, £250 here...

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but you haven't and that's because condition is everything.

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I think that you've got probably £30 to £50 worth.

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We'll put a fixed reserve on them of £30.

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The thing is, you know, they're going to be properly catalogued. They'll be in the catalogue.

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They'll be on the internet, and people who collect Guinness memorabilia, they'll be there...

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-but really, take these two away and you've got sort of buy two, get five free, here.

-Yes. Yeah.

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Well, let's hope they do really well at the auction for you,

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-and it's been lovely to meet you.

-And you.

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-If they do well, can I have a cider with you.

-Yes, certainly.

-Good girl.

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Let's just have a final reminder of what's on its way

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to the auction room, starting with Phillip's find,

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Princess Mary's gift box with all its original contents.

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It's a real little time capsule.

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The silver biplane epergne is yet another reminder of a bygone era.

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Hopefully, the overzealous cleaning

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won't have rubbed off too much of its value.

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I love Francis' Cuban mahogany tea caddy,

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but the condition may hold it back.

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"My goodness," is all I can say about the damage on five

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of the little Guinness miniatures, but hopefully,

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the tortoise and the Wellington boot will save the day.

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Well, we've left Tenby and the coast behind us and we've travelled inland

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to Carmarthen, to today's auction room. Peter Francis Auctioneers.

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And it's known locally as The Curiosity

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and I think, here comes a real curiosity now.

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In fact...

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Hello. No, it's not. That's today's auctioneer, Nigel Hodson.

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That's what I call arriving in style. It's good to see you.

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The Princess Mary gift box is also a bit of a curiosity,

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so let's see what Nigel makes of it.

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We've seen these on the show before. Princess Mary gift boxes.

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It belongs to Brenda and she is a box collector, but I think she wants to sell this one.

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I do think though, Phillip's put a come and buy me

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on this, he's put 20 to £40 and I think it's worth £60.

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I reckon you could be right.

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The really nice thing about this, as I'm sure you know, Paul,

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is that as we very often see them in the sales,

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they're just an empty box that has been used as a tobacco box

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by the soldier, after he's smoked the original tobacco

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and cigarettes that was inside.

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There you have the original tobacco and cigarettes

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and also, the card from Princess Mary.

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-Yes.

-I always find them really poignant, to be honest.

-Yes.

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And the First World War is nearly 100 years ago.

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I reckon it's potentially an area of collecting in the future.

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I really do. And just as an interest...

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Oh, look at that.

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-There is another one.

-I've just met a collector.

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Here's one I prepared earlier.

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-This is yours, is it?

-This is mine.

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Something that I bought in the 1970s when I first started work

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in the sale room. I thought it was wonderful that mine, too,

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had the original tobacco and cigarettes.

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One or two of the cigarettes have been smoked.

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Mine also has the little card in its envelope.

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I remember being horrified when,

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having seen it as part of a job that we were dealing with,

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I sort of set my heart on buying it in the sale

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and in 1974, or whatever it was, I had to part with £16 for it

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which was an awful lot of money when I was earning about £10 a week at the time.

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But it's been a prize possession ever since.

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So £20 is very cheap.

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I think, well, either that or I paid a king's ransom for mine,

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one or the other, but this has got pretty much the original,

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as you can see, the original gilded finish.

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There is a slight problem with this as it's got a split in the corner,

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which I noticed when I was looking at it for somebody.

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Are tin collectors that fussy?

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It was one of the questions that was particularly asked

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by somebody who was enquiring about this item before the weekend.

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-Hence the 20 to £40 which he's picked up.

-Yes.

-It's going to sell.

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I reckon it will sell. No problem.

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This is all very casual, which is quite fitting, really,

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because we're going with the flow and we've just been joined by Flo.

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We've got that wonderful Guinness memorabilia, Carlton Ware and Wade.

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We all love Guinness memorabilia and I certainly hope the bidders here

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in the sale room do and we get a top buy for this today.

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Good luck. It's going under the hammer and the auctioneer's selling over there.

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The collection of various Guinness advertising figures.

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What do I say? £50 away for the lot. £50 for the Carlton Ware.

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20 to go, then.

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20. 20's on the front row.

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At £20 I'm bid. At £20. At 20 only. Five.

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25. 30. At 30 on the front. £30 is here.

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At 30 on the front row. Five do you want now?

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Here, at £30 only, no more.

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-Selling.

-Short and sweet.

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£30 only.

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-Sold them. They've gone. £30.

-Have they?

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Yeah. Went within estimate.

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Lower end.

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20 halves of cider, Flo, isn't it?

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Yes. I don't mind about that.

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It's not down to the money.

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No, it's down to the wonderful people like Flo here.

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If you're looking for something unusual and out of the ordinary,

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you're watching the right show.

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Carol, we've got this gorgeous little epergne of yours and

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I totally agree with Charlie on the valuation of £200 to £300, you know.

0:17:570:18:01

I think it's a hugely collectable item, in the right hands.

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Whether the right people will be here today... fingers crossed.

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That's what auctions are about.

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-They are a bit scary, aren't they?

-Yeah.

0:18:110:18:13

It's time to batten down the hatches and weather the storm here.

0:18:130:18:17

We're going to put this under the hammer now.

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I think this is great and if it doesn't sell,

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it's the wrong auction, the wrong day. There's another auction, OK?

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-This is it.

-A very unusual epergne which is a first for me.

0:18:270:18:31

I've never seen an epergne modelled as a biplane.

0:18:310:18:34

This is such fun.

0:18:340:18:35

First World War biplane with trumpets coming out the fuselage.

0:18:350:18:39

-How mad is that?

-What do I say for it?

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In your hands, it's an unusual thing.

0:18:410:18:43

Never seen the like. What's it worth? £200 away to put me in.

0:18:430:18:46

-200 to put me in.

-He's got no bids on the book.

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100 to start me. For the epergne.

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-100 to start me.

-Oh, come on.

0:18:510:18:54

50 for it. 50, the lady in the corner. At 50.

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Can't believe this.

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At 60 here. 60. 70. 80.

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At 80. 90. At 90. The lady in the corner at £90.

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Oh, have we got a discretion on this?

0:19:060:19:08

Do I see 100 now? In your hands at £90.

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A lady's bid in the room. All done.

0:19:110:19:13

In the corner then, at £90 only.

0:19:130:19:16

-He has.

-We sold it at £90.

0:19:160:19:18

100 reserve on it.

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He used a bit of discretion.

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I think that's not enough.

0:19:230:19:26

-It wasn't exactly chocks away, was it?

-No. It wasn't exactly.

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-It didn't fly, did it?

-No.

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No. Do you know, for me, it just put a smile on your face

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and they're the kind of things you should invest in.

0:19:360:19:39

It reminds me of The Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machine,

0:19:390:19:42

that wonderful wacky movie. It's gone. OK. It's gone. We've got £90.

0:19:420:19:45

Right now, we have a change of auctioneer

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and Jeff Thomas is now on the rostrum.

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Up for grabs now, a Regency tea caddy. It's quality.

0:19:530:19:56

Belongs to Francis. We've got a valuation of around £130.

0:19:560:20:00

A fixed reserve at 100. It's the first of the caddies.

0:20:000:20:03

There's several here in the sale, so we're testing the market right now.

0:20:030:20:07

-Oh, right. We're pioneers.

-There's a lot of people here

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I hope they're not sitting on their hands and they're here

0:20:100:20:12

to wave them to buy this. It's going under the hammer now.

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Lot 470. Early 19th century mahogany tea caddy.

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As shown there, catalogue number of 470.

0:20:200:20:22

Start me on this one, what, £100?

0:20:220:20:24

Let's hope it's a worthwhile day out from Tenby.

0:20:240:20:27

Well, I hope so. I've dressed up for it, Paul.

0:20:270:20:30

£50 away. £30. 30 only bid. At 30, I got 30.

0:20:300:20:34

Come on. He's struggling.

0:20:340:20:36

30. 40. 50. 60.

0:20:360:20:38

At 60. £60.

0:20:380:20:40

£70 is it? At 60. Gentleman's bid, here, 60.

0:20:400:20:42

At 60. 70. At 70. £70 bid.

0:20:420:20:46

At 70. At £70. 80, is it now? At £70, are you all done then?

0:20:460:20:51

At £70.

0:20:510:20:53

He didn't sell it. He's put the hammer down and he didn't sell it.

0:20:530:20:57

£70. Well, I'm pleased he didn't sell it for £70

0:20:570:20:59

cos we want 100 quid for it, really.

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Yes. I'll be guided by you. Yeah.

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-It was worth that.

-Well, there we are.

0:21:040:21:06

I don't know. It's a full room. They just don't want tea caddies.

0:21:060:21:09

-Luck of the draw, isn't it?

-Yes. I'm really sorry.

0:21:090:21:12

Never mind, Paul. It's been fun.

0:21:120:21:13

Next up, I've been joined by Brenda

0:21:200:21:22

and Phillip, our expert and we've got the Princess Mary 1914

0:21:220:21:25

commemoration gift to the soldiers in the First World War,

0:21:250:21:29

with a cheeky little valuation by Phillip. 30, 40, hopefully £50?

0:21:290:21:34

It had, though, to be fair, it had some damage to the tin, didn't it?

0:21:340:21:38

-It was cracked.

-You look too close, your eye's too good!

0:21:380:21:41

I didn't spot that. Nigel spotted that.

0:21:410:21:43

Don't go telling all these other people here about it now.

0:21:430:21:46

-Dear me!

-But we think it could do the top end of the estimate.

-Good.

0:21:460:21:50

-40, 50, £60. That's what we want.

-We do.

-Up there. 60 odd.

0:21:500:21:53

-It's going under the hammer now. Good luck, Brenda.

-Thank you.

0:21:530:21:57

This is one of the First World War period gilded brass tobacco boxes

0:21:570:22:02

that you come across quite regularly in sales, but unusually

0:22:020:22:06

with this one, it contains the block of tobacco and the cigarettes,

0:22:060:22:11

which originally came with it.

0:22:110:22:12

This is one, he obviously wasn't a smoker, so very politically correct.

0:22:120:22:16

Nice for the collector to have all the bits and pieces inside. Lot 425.

0:22:160:22:20

Some interest from collectors with me and I can start the bidding...

0:22:200:22:24

two bids very close together, in fact,

0:22:240:22:26

I can start the bidding at 50.

0:22:260:22:28

-Fantastic.

-That's a real good price, isn't it?

0:22:280:22:31

60 in the room now. At £55 I'm bid. With me at £55.

0:22:310:22:36

Against you all, then. At £55. Is there 60 in the room?

0:22:360:22:39

Are you done then? To sell? Against you all, then. At £55.

0:22:390:22:44

Yes. That hammer's gone down. That's good.

0:22:440:22:46

Do you know, I mean, buying into a piece of social history for £55

0:22:460:22:49

and you get something like that, I think that's really special.

0:22:490:22:53

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you so much, as well.

-Thank you.

0:22:530:22:56

When I think of romanticised Wales, I'm imagining rolling green hills

0:23:050:23:09

and wonderful stone built workshops isolated in the countryside,

0:23:090:23:14

with possibly beams of sunlight sort of glittering in

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on a lone artisan working inside there...

0:23:170:23:19

using hand tools, working with his hands, creating something

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and hopefully listening to the sound of a gentle strumming harp.

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However, here in the village of Llandysul, near Carmarthen,

0:23:280:23:32

a mini industrial revolution has taken place.

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The old handicrafts have been replaced

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by computers and technology, transforming the art of harpmaking.

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And it's all down to a small community of workers.

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The project is called Telynau Teifi and it's spearheading

0:23:480:23:51

the mechanisation of harpmaking, creating employment

0:23:510:23:55

and harnessing the skills and enthusiasm of young local people.

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The scheme is the brain child of Allan Shiers, who began making harps

0:24:000:24:03

as an artisan, 30 years ago.

0:24:030:24:06

Tell me a little bit about harps. It's such an unusual instrument

0:24:080:24:11

to be involved with. How did that happen?

0:24:110:24:14

I worked for a chap called John Weston Thomas,

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who resurrected the craft of harpmaking in Wales, cos prior to that, it had died out.

0:24:170:24:21

I worked for five years and stayed in contact with him

0:24:210:24:24

when I went to teach at the Welsh Instrument School.

0:24:240:24:27

So, his harps were the ones to have for anybody that was into Celtic music?

0:24:270:24:31

-Yeah.

-What was it like to make your very first complete harp?

0:24:310:24:34

-Can you remember that day?

-Yeah, I can.

0:24:340:24:36

John Thomas and I worked together.

0:24:360:24:38

We said we'd make two halves in parallel,

0:24:380:24:40

so he could keep an eye on me and then at the end,

0:24:400:24:43

the people came to play them and they were just

0:24:430:24:46

equal to each other and that was quite a moment.

0:24:460:24:49

He always said that eventually, the pupil should exceed the master

0:24:490:24:53

or the master has failed, which is daunting cos he was a great chap.

0:24:530:24:56

And then, he's died now, but we've gone on to make concert harps

0:24:560:24:59

which he never did, so we're taking that on to the next generation

0:24:590:25:03

and expanding what we do.

0:25:030:25:05

What's the difference between a concert harp

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and one of the standard harps?

0:25:080:25:10

If you thought of, say, a mode of transport as being a bicycle and a motor car, they're both very...

0:25:100:25:14

-as different as that.

-Appropriate for different needs, but the complexity of parts

0:25:140:25:18

is about 2,000 moving parts in a concert harp,

0:25:180:25:21

but far less in a folk harp or a Celtic harp.

0:25:210:25:24

How long would it take you to normally build a Celtic harp?

0:25:240:25:27

By hand, it would be about six or eight weeks.

0:25:270:25:30

And then a concert harp, about a year.

0:25:300:25:33

I remember thinking "Crumbs, I've spent...

0:25:330:25:36

"however many weeks making that harp and somebody's actually paid for it."

0:25:360:25:39

-And that must be a nice feeling.

-Well, when they play it,

0:25:390:25:43

when the harp sings for the first time,

0:25:430:25:45

it's quite a special moment, really.

0:25:450:25:47

At my age, you start thinking, "Hang on, how can we pass this on

0:25:510:25:55

"to the next generation before I lose my skills."

0:25:550:25:57

The best way to do it, I felt, was to actually make it into

0:25:570:26:00

a community business, if we could, involving the local authority.

0:26:000:26:03

Bought an old school,

0:26:030:26:05

so we built it into a team of people, rather than an individual.

0:26:050:26:09

The question was how you did it,

0:26:090:26:11

how you actually changed from a craft into a community business,

0:26:110:26:14

a one-man band to seven or eight people

0:26:140:26:17

and then the way that you communicated those skills

0:26:170:26:20

using appropriate technology to take away the drudgery,

0:26:200:26:24

and free you up to do the creative stuff. That's the bottom line,

0:26:240:26:27

does it frees you up to be creative? I think that's the best way.

0:26:270:26:30

These youngsters coming in have been brought up with computers

0:26:320:26:36

and they'll be using skills I don't have

0:26:360:26:38

and that's great cos it's a cross-fertilization.

0:26:380:26:41

I need them and they need me and that makes the team more balanced.

0:26:410:26:45

Do you think there might be a danger that

0:26:450:26:47

-all the old ways might be replaced?

-I don't think so.

0:26:470:26:50

I think the quality of the wood and the soundboard

0:26:500:26:52

and the acoustics, are still very human

0:26:520:26:54

and even though we've done something on a machine,

0:26:540:26:57

it still has to be hand finished and toleranced and fitted,

0:26:570:27:00

so all the machines do is break the donkey work down.

0:27:000:27:04

We have people who are a bit like I was when I was 16,

0:27:090:27:12

bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Anxious to learn

0:27:120:27:14

and get the thrill of actually turning stuff into things.

0:27:140:27:17

-And then when it's played, what a reward!

-Yes.

0:27:170:27:20

I think that's human nature. That doesn't change with age.

0:27:200:27:23

I still get the same buzz, but for me, it's nice to see

0:27:230:27:26

one of the lads who's done something, sit back and I know exactly

0:27:260:27:29

what's going through his mind and that's very creative.

0:27:290:27:33

If a 16 or 20-year-old can do that, there's a chance this will survive.

0:27:330:27:36

Do you think the definitive harp has been made yet?

0:27:440:27:48

No. I wouldn't keep struggling, I think,

0:27:480:27:50

and the harp, to some extent, is still in its infancy.

0:27:500:27:53

Stradivari, Guarneri, Amati violins, that's the absolute,

0:27:530:27:56

I don't think we've got there with the harp and that's exciting.

0:27:560:28:00

The work of Allan Shiers' Telynau Teifi community

0:28:090:28:12

is certainly ongoing.

0:28:120:28:13

Not only are they embracing new technology to improve the instrument,

0:28:130:28:17

but they're also closely working with Cardiff University

0:28:170:28:20

to improve the instrument's sound.

0:28:200:28:22

You can definitely say the future of this stunning instrument

0:28:220:28:26

is in safe hands.

0:28:260:28:27

Back to the valuation day now,

0:28:390:28:41

and Phillip has found yet another piece of militaria.

0:28:410:28:44

-And Karen, how are you?

-I'm OK, thank you.

-Good.

0:28:440:28:48

I think these are absolutely lovely. Tell me all about them.

0:28:480:28:51

They were given by my grandfather

0:28:510:28:54

to my grandmother at the beginning of the Second World War.

0:28:540:28:57

Was your grandfather in the Second World War?

0:28:570:28:59

I don't believe he was in the Second World War.

0:28:590:29:02

-I know he was in the First World War.

-Right.

0:29:020:29:04

But whether they'd had a regimental function, I'm not sure.

0:29:040:29:08

-Do you know which regiment he was in?

-Royal Artillery.

0:29:080:29:10

-And these are the colours of?

-The Royal Artillery.

0:29:100:29:13

-And this is the emblem of?

-The Royal Artillery.

0:29:130:29:15

I'm told by our soundman who reckons he was in the Royal Artillery,

0:29:150:29:19

they are the senior regiment.

0:29:190:29:20

-Right.

-So, that's a bit special, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:29:200:29:23

I think these are lovely quality, actually.

0:29:230:29:26

And your grandfather was Alex.

0:29:260:29:28

-Yeah.

-And your granny was Alice.

0:29:280:29:30

-Yep. That's it.

-So, this is just a little lipstick compact,

0:29:300:29:34

with this lovely enamel decoration round it.

0:29:340:29:37

I would think this is silver, but it's not hallmarked.

0:29:370:29:40

And you've got to put it back just right, haven't you, otherwise

0:29:400:29:43

your motif doesn't match or line up properly.

0:29:430:29:47

And this is a little powder compact and if we just have a look inside,

0:29:470:29:51

this is silver and it'll be hallmarked...

0:29:510:29:55

they're going to love me here cos I'm going to get powder everywhere.

0:29:550:29:59

Do you want me to hold that?

0:29:590:30:01

And this is a hallmark and this is by the Goldsmith & Silversmith's Co,

0:30:010:30:05

which is like one of the best hallmarks you can get,

0:30:050:30:07

-I think this is absolutely lovely. Let's put it back together.

-Yep.

0:30:070:30:11

That's just marvellous. Can I ask you something, here?

0:30:150:30:19

These are not hugely valuable.

0:30:190:30:21

I think we put an auction estimate of 60 to £90 on them

0:30:210:30:25

-and a reserve of 50.

-Yeah.

-Why are you selling them?

0:30:250:30:28

I think...my mother and I have looked at them

0:30:280:30:31

and we think, if we... We're not inclined to use them

0:30:310:30:34

and we just think maybe somebody that either collects compacts

0:30:340:30:37

or collects royal artillery we'd maybe rather

0:30:370:30:40

see somebody really like them and display them.

0:30:400:30:43

Rather than have them in a cupboard or a drawer,

0:30:430:30:46

-You want to share them...

-Yeah.

-..let someone else have them.

0:30:460:30:49

The bizarre part about antiques today is that I think if you wanted to go

0:30:490:30:54

and replace those new, they might cost you £500 or £600.

0:30:540:30:58

-You can add a nought on the end.

-Yeah.

0:30:580:31:00

-But ladies don't use these, do they?

-No.

0:31:000:31:03

Well, on that note, we'll put it into the auction and hope

0:31:030:31:06

that the good ladies of Carmarthen,

0:31:060:31:08

not only have a royal artillery connection, but they do use...

0:31:080:31:11

-Compacts.

-Compacts.

0:31:110:31:13

Yeah. That'll be great.

0:31:130:31:15

-Now, Gerald, you are on a mission today, aren't you?

-Quite right.

0:31:200:31:24

-You have been sent here.

-Yes.

0:31:240:31:26

I've been ordered to sell these.

0:31:260:31:28

-By your wife.

-By my wife.

-She didn't want to come along, herself?

0:31:280:31:32

-No. She's cooking.

-She's cooking.

0:31:320:31:36

How long have you been married?

0:31:360:31:38

-Oh, 50 years, I suppose.

-50 years!

0:31:380:31:41

-You suppose.

-Well...

0:31:410:31:43

-Seems like 50.

-No. I'm not going to say that!

0:31:430:31:46

In case that does come up.

0:31:460:31:48

I said it. I'll get away with it. Do you know what they are?

0:31:480:31:51

I didn't until I was told today.

0:31:510:31:54

-You've been told they're Stourbridge glass.

-Stourbridge glass. Yes.

0:31:540:31:58

So where did they come from?

0:31:580:31:59

Well, my wife bought them in a boot fair.

0:31:590:32:02

-Did she?

-A few years ago. Yeah.

0:32:020:32:04

-Do you know what she paid for them?

-No, I don't.

0:32:040:32:06

-She probably wouldn't admit it.

-Possibly not.

0:32:060:32:10

But she liked them, I know.

0:32:100:32:13

I think the great thing about these, Stourbridge factory

0:32:130:32:16

was really the only factory near Birmingham, making this sort of

0:32:160:32:20

quality glass, late 19th century,

0:32:200:32:22

-1880, 1890, so they've done 100 years.

-That's going back a bit.

-Yeah.

0:32:220:32:27

And to be perfect is good, isn't it?

0:32:270:32:30

Extraordinary. I can't see any damage in these at all.

0:32:300:32:33

They're double overlay and unusually,

0:32:330:32:35

you have this lemon yellow over the white interior.

0:32:350:32:38

Extra quality, if you like,

0:32:380:32:41

with these wonderful castellated tops that are crimped as acanthus leaf

0:32:410:32:46

round the tops and they are perfect.

0:32:460:32:50

-Not even a chip I've seen.

-Amazing, isn't it?

0:32:500:32:52

-Phenomenal.

-Yeah.

-With similar bases.

0:32:520:32:56

Pinched through the middle here,

0:32:560:32:58

round the waist and the feet are perfect, as well.

0:32:580:33:01

I suppose, if one had any criticism, it would be

0:33:010:33:06

the colour wouldn't necessarily suit everybody.

0:33:060:33:10

No. They like red, don't they?

0:33:100:33:12

I think if you were to say that these were in cranberry glass,

0:33:120:33:17

crumbs, I think you'd be doubling the value,

0:33:170:33:19

-not that we've said the value, yet.

-No.

0:33:190:33:21

So, there's got to be some sort of value attached to these

0:33:210:33:25

otherwise you'd be taking them home to the missus, wouldn't you?

0:33:250:33:29

Oh, yes. I'd be in trouble, otherwise.

0:33:290:33:31

-Would she be happy with £50, do you think?

-Not really.

-Not really.

0:33:310:33:37

I think we could estimate these at 100 to 150.

0:33:370:33:40

I wouldn't want to see the reserve at much more than 75.

0:33:400:33:43

-That would be fine.

-Do you think that'll get her over the bar?

0:33:430:33:46

I think I could get away with that.

0:33:460:33:49

We'll do that. Thank you very much for bringing them along.

0:33:490:33:52

-That's all right.

-We just hope the auctioneers

0:33:520:33:54

keep them in the same condition they're in at the moment.

0:33:540:33:56

-Oh, yes. That's a point.

-We'll instruct them to.

0:33:560:33:59

Thank you, Gerald.

0:33:590:34:01

-Is your name really Dai Morgan?

-It is, yes.

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-I've never met a Welshman called Dai Morgan.

-True Welshman, Pembrokeshire born and bred.

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What do you do around here, Dai?

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I work for a waste management company in Pembroke.

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-What else do you do?

-I'm the head doorman here at the De Valance.

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Head doorman here!

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-You haven't had any trouble with the BBC, have you?

-No.

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-No, not yet.

-But is that your job to, sort of, eject people?

-Yes.

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That must be a tough old job.

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-No. I actually love it.

-Really.

-I love it.

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-Frighten me to death, that would.

-No. It's good.

-Is it?

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-You get to meet loads of different people.

-I should say you do!

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-Where's this come from then?

-This is my girlfriend's grandfather's.

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-And she wants to sell it.

-Her mum does.

-Why does she want to sell it?

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I'm not too sure.

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-Just time to go.

-Yeah.

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Basically, gathering dust.

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-Do you know what it is?

-It's a Rolex watch.

-You're absolutely right.

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Let's jut have a look at it. If we open up the front here,

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you can see that the big hand has actually been replaced at some time.

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Yes. I was told that.

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But, otherwise, the face appears to be in not bad order, at all.

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If we turn it over and look at the back,

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we can actually see

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on the wheel here is indeed...

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-The word Rolex.

-..the word Rolex.

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-Those magic words.

-Yep.

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And it's also got Rolex written on the case and W&D,

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-who were in fact quite well known case manufacturers for Rolex.

-Right.

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And we've got import marks, I think, for somewhere between 1915 and 1920,

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so we can say that this is probably just before the First World War.

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-Oh, right.

-Would that tie in with what you know about it?

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Yes. Yeah. He actually - my girlfriend's grandad -

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-he actually swapped it with a colleague in the war.

-Really.

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-Yeah.

-Do you know, I love watches.

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And I was looking through a watch catalogue the other day

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-and I think a Rolex made £62,000.

-Very nice.

-It wasn't one like this.

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-No.

-This was a 1970s Rolex.

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And a lot of people buy Rolex, they don't want the simple old-fashioned Rolex

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where it doesn't say Rolex on the face.

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It's almost like, if I've got one, I want everybody to know it.

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-Yeah.

-I think this is a pure collector's item.

-Right.

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I think at auction, you'd put an estimate on it of £100 to £200.

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I think we'd put a fixed reserve of £80.

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-How does that sound to you?

-That's fine. Yeah.

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-It's cheap for a Rolex, isn't it?

-It seems cheap and for the age as well.

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-Absolutely right.

-You never know, might be lucky on the day.

0:36:260:36:29

Well, that's a great philosophical attitude to take towards auctions,

0:36:290:36:32

-but fingers crossed.

-Yep.

0:36:320:36:34

Time to take another look at our lots as they head off to the sale room in Carmarthen.

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The collectors will love the lipstick and powder compact,

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with the Royal Artillery insignia.

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The time has come to see what the bidders make of

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the pre First World War Rolex watch.

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And finally, lemon yellow may not be to everybody's taste,

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but the Stourbridge glass vases are in perfect condition

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and they're real quality.

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Gerald's Staffordshire glass vases.

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Nice pair. Good quality.

0:37:110:37:13

-I'm not sure about the lemon colour, personally.

-Nor me.

0:37:130:37:16

He got them in a boot fair. I don't know how much for,

0:37:160:37:19

but Charlie's put a valuation of 100 to £150 on them.

0:37:190:37:23

Ouch, I would say to that,

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but perhaps Charlie knows more about them than I do.

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I'm not keen on this sort of glass, at all.

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Perhaps the lemon colour is why they're worth the money.

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But I think we might struggle to make that sort of money.

0:37:320:37:35

-I hope I'm proved wrong.

-Obviously no interest, so far?

0:37:350:37:38

Not that I've had any dealings with.

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No. No. Not that I've noticed. No. No. I've tried to avoid them.

0:37:400:37:44

-I shouldn't say that, really, but there you go.

-Look. Fingers crossed.

0:37:440:37:48

-Either you like canary yellow or you don't.

-And we don't.

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I think we might be on a sticky wicket with this one.

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For you, sir.

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We're just about to sell your silver compact.

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-It is a family heirloom.

-It is, yes.

0:38:050:38:07

-Any regrets, cos it was your grandparents?

-No, not really.

0:38:070:38:10

We're too concerned that, because it's got enamel on it,

0:38:100:38:13

it would get damaged if we used it.

0:38:130:38:16

I totally agree with what Phillip said. He said to me earlier...

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you can imagine this down the Burlington Arcade,

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it would be twice as much money if not three times.

0:38:210:38:24

I mean, it's so individual, it's so cleverly put together, as well.

0:38:240:38:28

-I think it's a really lovely stylish thing.

-Well, good luck.

0:38:280:38:32

-Thanks very much.

-It's going under the hammer now.

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Let's just hope this family heirloom brings you lots of money.

0:38:340:38:38

-Here we go.

-Lot 350...

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is the silver compact.

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Octagonal form. Engine turned decoration.

0:38:420:38:45

Interesting for me, it's got the insignia of the Royal Artillery,

0:38:450:38:48

-which was my father's regiment, there we are.

-Best buy it then!

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On the book at £50.

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Get in there!

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Bid's at 50. May I say 60 now.

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60, the lady behind us. 60. 70 at the very back.

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80 on my right. 90 at the very back.

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100 on the right.

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At £100 I'm bid. With you, madam, at £100.

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That's good.

0:39:050:39:07

At £100 I'm bid. May I say 110?

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With you, madam, on my right.

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Selling then. All happy?

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For £100.

0:39:120:39:14

-Good result.

-They'll either give it to someone who's in the same regiment

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or they'll wonder what the hell they're ever going to do with it!

0:39:180:39:22

-It's gone.

-It's gone.

-It's gone. £100. Happy?

0:39:220:39:25

-Yeah. Definitely.

-OK.

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Coming up next, we've got the pair of Stourbridge glass lemon coloured vases.

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How can you forget those? Well, I've been waiting for this little moment.

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I'm pleased to be joined by Gerald, their owner.

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We've got a valuation of £100 to £150.

0:39:450:39:47

We had a chat to the auctioneer before the sale started, Charles.

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Don't tell me.

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It's the colour. We just didn't like the colour.

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I think Nigel and I both agreed with each other

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that they just might struggle at that sort of money,

0:40:000:40:02

but we don't know. I mean, it's not our field, the speciality.

0:40:020:40:06

-Condition...perfect.

-Perfect condition.

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That's going for them. Size... perfect. Pair... yes.

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Great. Colour...

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not so good. Just not so good.

0:40:140:40:16

If you had to choose a colour, this would be the last colour

0:40:160:40:19

you would choose in the world, but never mind.

0:40:190:40:22

We're going to find out exactly who buys them and who pays what

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right now because they're going under the hammer.

0:40:250:40:28

Pair of canary yellow Stourbridge glass vases.

0:40:280:40:32

There you are. What do you say for those? What are they worth?

0:40:320:40:36

-He's not sounding enthusiastic, is he?

-No.

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100 for those?

0:40:380:40:39

50 to get on then, surely?

0:40:390:40:41

50. Opening bid £50 away for them?

0:40:410:40:43

-Please.

-20? Bad as that? Oh, dear.

0:40:430:40:46

At 20's all I'm bid. A seated bid at 20. 30 here.

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At 30. 40. 50.

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Well, done. 60. We're nearly there.

0:40:520:40:54

£50 is all bid. At 50.

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At 50. May I say 60? No more?

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At £50 is all we have. No more?

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At £50, not to be sold there I'm afraid.

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Gerald, it's not our day.

0:41:040:41:05

It was that lemon, wasn't it? That lemon colour.

0:41:050:41:08

Gerald, couple of bids short.

0:41:080:41:10

-Yeah. Pity we didn't put them pink.

-Yes.

0:41:100:41:13

A cranberry would definitely sell. So sorry they've got to go home.

0:41:130:41:17

Never mind. It's one of those things.

0:41:170:41:19

-Yeah.

-Another sale another day, as you say.

-We tried our best.

0:41:190:41:23

-Couldn't do better.

-No.

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Right now, we're going to find out

0:41:320:41:34

who's going to give us £100 or £200 for Dai's Rolex watch.

0:41:340:41:37

You could say time's up really, couldn't you?

0:41:370:41:40

We'll find out in about one lot time.

0:41:400:41:42

Yeah. I don't want to be doing time.

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Quality, though and I think the name Rolex will help sell this.

0:41:460:41:49

I like it cos it's subtle, it doesn't blaze out Rolex.

0:41:490:41:52

Yeah. Not sort of big logos of Rolex all over it.

0:41:520:41:55

Well, Dai, let's hope we get that top end.

0:41:550:41:57

It is time to find out right now what's going on with that one. This is it.

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404, the little early 20th century Rolex silver wrist watch.

0:42:020:42:07

-Interest here with me.

-Oh, that's good.

0:42:070:42:10

£100 is what I have here with me.

0:42:100:42:12

-At 100. 120 on the settle.

-120 now.

0:42:120:42:16

-140. 160.

-Still bidding.

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180 I've got. 180.

0:42:180:42:20

200 bidding away at the back now.

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-210 is all I have. At 210.

-210.

0:42:220:42:25

220 is now in the room. At 220 in the room. 220.

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At 220 in the room. 220. Any more?

0:42:290:42:31

-That's good. That's good.

-That's ridiculous!

0:42:310:42:33

£220.

0:42:330:42:35

Fantastic. That's quality.

0:42:350:42:37

Rolex is a quality watch.

0:42:370:42:40

£220, less a bit of commission.

0:42:400:42:42

You went to see a spiritualist a few days ago, didn't you?

0:42:420:42:45

-I did, yes.

-Did they predict that?

0:42:450:42:47

-No.

-No.

-They didn't. No.

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Well, what can I say? What a great day we've had.

0:42:570:43:01

Our owners have gone home happy. Big smiles on their face.

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This is my spiritual home, Wales.

0:43:040:43:05

It started off in Tenby by the coast.

0:43:050:43:08

It's ended up in Carmarthen,

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in a wonderful auction room, surrounded by Welsh oak.

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It doesn't get much better.

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I hope you've enjoyed today's show, so until the next time, cheerio.

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0:43:180:43:22

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