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Just look at this, the bracing sea air

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and boats bobbing up and down on the shimmering water.

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Today, we're in the seaside resort of Herne Bay on the Kent coastline.

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Welcome to Flog It!

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This shingle beach conceals a lot of its own treasures.

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Since its Victorian heyday as a seaside resort,

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Herne Bay has been a popular place to collect sharks' teeth and fossils.

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But our experts won't be hunting for fossils today. Oh, no.

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They'll be hunting through all these bags and boxes brought along by this massive, great big queue

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to our wonderful venue today, the Kings Hall in Herne Bay.

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Stay tuned and you'll see lots of treasures.

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And joining us in our hunt for all those special pieces are our experts...

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Kate Bateman, a second-generation auctioneer,

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and Mark Stacey who has more than 20 years' experience in antiques

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and a particular interest in the decorative arts.

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Kate originally trained as ballerina but now it's antiques that put her in a spin.

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-Not a real painting.

-No?

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Sadly. If only it was.

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Mark learnt the tricks of the trade through years

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as a dealer and consultant, so we know we're in safe hands.

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So you haven't actually assembled it all?

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Well, once upon a time we did.

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Now, don't do that at home!

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And coming up in today's programme, Mark puts in a bid for one of our items...

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-I'll double your money for you. How about that?

-No!

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And even finds something to dance about.

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Shake those hips!

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And I get to see how this area so inspired one of our greatest writers, Charles Dickens.

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The hall's filling up and I'm pleased to see people of all ages.

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Mum's come here to ask a very important question, hasn't she? And what's that question?

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What's it worth?

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Well, let's get started. And also wanting to know "what's it worth?" is Joan and her son-in-law Chris,

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who have brought in some intriguing books to show Mark.

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Before television, before things like that,

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when you had long, lonely nights and you wanted to play with things,

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you'd get one of these little books,

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and you'd teach yourself how to play golf the Bobby Jones way

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by flicking and seeing how he does his strokes and things.

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They're wonderful.

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Where did you get them from?

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They belonged to my aunt. I found them when I cleared her house after she died.

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I've looked at them occasionally,

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but they've stayed in the drawer in my bedroom.

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That's a shame, isn't it?

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They wouldn't be in that condition if I'd let the children have them.

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That's true. The staple has rusted there, but that's an unfortunate sign of age.

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What connection to these are you, Chris?

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-I've just come along today to assist my mother-in-law.

-Oh, right, OK.

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Just moral support.

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-Absolutely. And chauffeur!

-Chauffeur.

-Chauffeur! We all need a chauffeur!

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I particularly like this one, the dance lesson from the good old days.

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If you flick it this way, you get a sort of...

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almost a sort of Charleston-type dance.

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I'm not quite sure how old they are.

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I would've thought they're going back to the sort of 20s, really.

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That sort of period, you know,

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when kids wanted something to do in the evenings.

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We had the wireless but we didn't have much else entertain us,

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not like today when they've all got their computers.

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I don't think they'd be very popular now.

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Quite mundane, quite slow-paced for today,

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-but hopefully a collector out there will want them.

-I hope so.

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I've had a word with a colleague

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because this is a real collectors' field.

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It's not the usual antiques we see which makes them quite a joy.

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We see lots of china and silver and furniture,

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but it's quite nice to see these ephemera-type items.

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And, of course, not a lot of them would have survived.

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They would've been thrown away, broken and then just discarded.

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I would've thought we're probably looking at £50 to £80,

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something like that. Would you be happy to sell them for that?

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Oh, yes, there's not much point in keeping them any longer

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and knowing my son everything will probably go in a skip.

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Oh, dear. Well, we want to save them from skip,

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and they might dance off and make a bit more. You never know.

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-You never can tell. Oh, dear, bless you!

-Excuse me. I didn't mean to do that.

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It must be all the excitement, Mark, or perhaps a little dust.

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Next, I'm going to have a chat with Peter, if I can get to him.

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Well, there are so many people in the main hall,

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the queue goes through the reception area, through the cafeteria where everyone's getting refreshments,

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back out on the seafront and back up the hill,

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and I've just come here to meet up with Peter

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because he's brought in this most wonderful campaign writing slope to show me,

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and hopefully put through to auction, make lots of money.

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Thank you for bringing in some wood for me to get my hands on. How did you come across this?

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I bought this at a prestigious boot fair about three years ago.

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Local landowners near Rolvenden in Kent have a clear-out every two years or so...

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What did you pay for it?

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-250. 250.

-£250.

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Sensible money. You paid sensible money.

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You didn't steal it and you didn't pay over the top.

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-It is a lovely thing.

-It certainly is.

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I would say this is the last third of the Victorian period, 1860, 1870, 1880, around there.

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Let's just start with the outside.

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Looking at this flamed-cut Cuban mahogany, an exotic hardwood

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first introduced into this country in the early 1700s.

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An officer and a gentleman would have owned this

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and because we're talking about the portable British Empire,

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taking luxuries away with you on campaign...

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that's what it was all about.

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-He wouldn't have carried this, though, would he?

-Oh, no.

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He would've had his back man.

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And in a pack on a donkey probably. Who knows?

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Things like this could've been used in the Crimean. Think of the history.

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Opening it up, you can see there's a wonderful Moroccan leather, tooled slope for writing on.

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A little feature I do like, because I noticed, when I opened it...

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look at this. This is a good touch.

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You've got a good eye.

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This little arm comes up,

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it goes into one of the retaining holes here...

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-Yeah.

-That slots in there...

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And there you are, there's your wonderful reading slope.

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You can read by candle light outside the tent,

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-fighting off all the midges.

-Yeah, that's right.

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Isn't that lovely?

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That's decadence, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah.

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Rather than have the book on your lap, getting neckache, stick it up there.

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Oh, I love it.

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Absolutely love it. So it's all there.

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It's all there, isn't it? Some of these have secret compartments.

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-This one does as well.

-Does it? I'm getting excited.

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This is the fun part, because...

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I need to flip this out there,

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and another little well for putting correspondence under,

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but if I use this retaining pin...

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This is quite clever. Watch this.

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A little secret compartment.

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Did you like that? Isn't that cute?

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Look, it's spring-loaded.

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And there it reveals three fitted little drawers.

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That's where the money went and anything else that was valuable, maybe the watch.

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Isn't that cute?

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And that just springs back in there like so.

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As I said earlier, I think you paid sensible money for this.

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I'm quite excited about it because it looks good from the outside,

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it looks fabulous from the inside.

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I think we put this into auction with a reasonable valuation

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of £200 to £300, fixed reserve of £200

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so you don't lose too much money.

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On a good day this is going to do £300

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so by the time you've paid your commission,

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you'd end up with your £250 back.

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Why do you want to sell this?

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Cos I love wood, and I actually want to go on a restoration,

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wood restoration course.

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-Oh, fabulous.

-Yeah.

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I've got a couple of bits and pieces that I want to do up professionally.

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I can appreciate you're really good with your hands.

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Hopefully you can do a few things up,

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turn them around, make some money.

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Yeah, well, give it a try.

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What a lovely thing, just up my street.

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Also up my street are the albums of postcards which Jane has brought in to show Kate.

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Hello, Jane. You've brought quite an interesting collection here. What have we got?

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These are a collection of postcards which came from my grandmother,

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and most of them date from either before the First World War

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-or during the First World War.

-Right.

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A large number were sent by my father and his brothers when they were fighting during the war.

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-Right. And did he survive? Presumably he did.

-My father did.

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One of the brothers died in what is now Iraq, but two of them survived.

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Persia as they would've called it, I suppose.

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OK, well, let's have a quick look. This is an album she's collected.

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These are First World War ones.

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We've got Royal Army Medical Corps, and these are the sewn silk ones.

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We see these quite often at auction but they're still quite collectible.

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You're talking £3 or £4, £5 each,

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a bit more for the more collectible ones.

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And you've got a whole book, by the look if it, of others.

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What have we got here? Various Victorian ones.

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Oh, right, OK, this is cool.

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This is the Christmas box and what have we got?

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Oh, it pulls out. Oh, look at that. That's great fun, like a concertina.

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Close it up again.

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There. That's quite a novelty one.

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Lots of collectors like the slightly unusual ones.

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-Yes.

-That's great fun. Let's have a look.

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Oh, wow, a burning Zeppelin

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brought down at Potter's Bar in 1916,

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so a bit of local interest there.

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OK, that's quite interesting there,

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-you've got these loose cards as well.

-Yes.

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-They're not just military, some local interest, topographical...

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-That's right.

-And a few photographic cards of soldiers.

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Do you know who these people are in this photo?

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Yes, it's my father's regiment in the First World War,

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and he's the one in the glasses just there.

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OK, the only one wearing glasses.

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Yes, he was blind in his left eye.

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-What, when he went into the Army?

-Yes, he cheated the medical.

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He made it up, reading the numbers?

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Yes, covered the same eye both times, and he was only 17 when he did it.

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-Oh, my goodness. But he got in and survived.

-Yes, survived.

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Brilliant. What a good story. A few here are interesting, social history.

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You've got Boy Scouts here, and where was that?

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I think that...

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-Is that the New Romney? Yes, Lydd and New Romney.

-OK, Romney.

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A local street scene here, again Romney,

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with a car and vintage advertising, lots of people, a really animated scene.

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Think about what that would look like today.

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Nothing like that. That's really good fun.

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You're not tempted to keep them cos they're family history?

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No, I've got several others that have got more sentimental value.

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OK, so we need to find somebody that's interested in Boy Scouts,

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social history and military all at once.

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Pricewise, probably £80 to £120. Is that the sort of figure you'd be happy with?

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-That's fine, yes.

-You should put some kind of reserve on.

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I would probably suggest like a £50 or £60 reserve.

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-Shall we try it in a sale?

-Yes, do.

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Are you going to be here to see them sell?

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Unfortunately not. We'll be on a cruise.

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-Oh, right. Well, you'll have to send us a postcard, clearly!

-I will.

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Thank you very much.

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What fabulous snapshots of bygone days.

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It's a shame Jane won't be able to join us in the saleroom.

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Well, we're now halfway through our day and you know what that means, don't you?

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Yes, it's my favourite part of the show.

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This is where we put the valuations to the test.

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You've just seen our experts' choices,

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you're probably got your own favourites,

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but let's see how they fare over at Canterbury Auction Rooms.

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And we're taking with us the unusual flicker books from the 1920s,

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the campaign writing slope that I loved so much,

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and the fascinating and historical collection of postcards.

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Well, I'm getting excited,

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especially seeing this massive, big crowd, a room full of bidders,

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and this is where they're putting our valuations to the test, the Canterbury Auction Galleries.

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Don't go away because it's auction time.

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There'll be commission to pay, it varies between auction houses.

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Here it's 20% plus VAT, and first up we have Jane's postcard album.

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She can't be here so her friend and neighbour Irena is standing in.

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We have seen these do really well,

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especially if all the social history

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is about the area we're selling it in,

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and I know a bit is about Kent, isn't it?

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-Yes, yes.

-So fingers crossed.

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There's a few military bits. A bit for everybody, all sorts of collectors, hopefully it'll go.

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-Yes, fingers crossed.

-It's a good trade lot this. They like this kind of thing.

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Individually, some can sell for maybe £8.

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-Oh, really?

-Yeah.

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Some of them £2, some of them 50p.

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They'll have to take the rubbish with the better ones. That's why we grouped it together.

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Let's find out what the bidders think. They're going under the hammer right now.

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Lot number 389 is the early 20th-century postcard album,

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et cetera. Lot number 389.

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Two bids, starting at £160...

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-Straight in.

-Fantastic.

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160, I'm looking for 170.

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Any further bid? If not, I'm selling at £160. If we're all done at 160...

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Yes, straight in! Two bids, both at 160.

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Short and sweet, but that was great.

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Are you going to get on the phone and tell her?

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I shall get on the phone and tell her, yes.

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Where is she holidaying? We want to know.

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-St Petersburg.

-Oh, is she?

-Yes.

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-They're on a Baltic cruise, tonight she's in St Petersburg.

-That sounds really romantic.

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She'll need a nice warm jacket or a hat when she's in St Petersburg!

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Yes. She'll be very excited.

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What a good result, and I'm sure Jane will be thrilled.

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Next up it's Peter and that lovely wooden writing slope.

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-£250 you paid for this.

-Yeah, I did.

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-We've put two to three on it.

-It's a nice box.

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It's quality and I enjoyed talking about that as well.

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We've got a packed room here, it's coming up right now. Good luck.

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That's all I can say.

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It's been a long wait and I'm a bit nervous. Here we go.

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Lot number 277 is the late George III

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mahogany and brass-bound writing box.

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Who'll start me at £100?

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£100, lot 277, the writing box there.

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Any bids in the room, at £100, lot 277, the writing box.

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-On the phone, anywhere else, online? No bids?

-It's not selling.

-No.

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The writing box, no bids? Pass it, then.

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It's not that it's too expensive.

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-It's definitely worth £200 to £300 as you know.

-That's right.

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Oh, well, I'm really, really sorry.

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No, that's fine. I mean...

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Take it home, enjoy.

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Oh, yes, I shall enjoy.

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-That's life.

-These things happen.

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These things happen.

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That's a shame. I really thought that writing case was worth the money.

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Let's hope we have more luck with Joan's flicker books.

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Your flicker books put a smile on Mark's face.

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Well, they're very ancient.

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Yes, something like me!

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These are good. I like them.

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They're great fun. There's a golfing one.

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-Yes, and the dancing one. The dancing's good.

-The Charleston.

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-Yes. We like the dancing.

-Can you do the Charleston?

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-No, not unless I've had a drink.

-Oh.

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-We'll try later.

-Wonderful.

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I'll look forward to it.

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We'll watch that later on, but right now this is going under the hammer. Here we go.

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Lot number 309 are the four early 20th century flicker books.

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60 I'm bid. 70, 80,

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90, 100, 110, 120,

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130, 140. Who's in at 140?

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140 online. 150, 160...

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This is great!

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180, 190, 200...

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Come and buy me!

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It's on the internet at £200 now.

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If you're all done in the room, I'll sell at £200.

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Yes, the hammer's gone down.

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I think that deserves a little dance from Mark.

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Shake those hips!

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-Hey, £200, Joan!

-Fantastic.

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-Your first auction as well.

-Yes. I'll try again.

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You're going to go home really happy.

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What a good result, enough to make us all feel like dancing.

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There'll be more fun at the auction house later,

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but first I'm going to explore the life and times of one of the area's most famous residents.

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Charles Dickens's links with Kent go back to his early childhood

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where his father worked as a clerk in the naval dockyard at Chatham.

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In his early 40s at the height of his fame, just after the break-up of his marriage,

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Charles Dickens returned here to Kent where he lived for the rest of his life.

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He settled just outside the town of Rochester where you can still see Dickens's influence today.

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Dickens loved walking.

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He'd walk just about anywhere. You couldn't stop him.

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He even walked back from a night out at the theatre in London, and that's a good 30 miles.

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Rochester hasn't changed much since Dickens' day.

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These are the buildings and streets that inspired him,

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and many of them have ended up in his novels.

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And it's not just the buildings and the streets that gave Dickens his inspiration.

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I bet when he was walking past this churchyard

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looking at that tombstone with the name Dorrett inscribed on it,

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that's where the inspiration for the character Little Dorrit came from.

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This magnificent red-brick Elizabethan mansion house

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I'm standing in front of is known as Eastgate House,

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and it appears in Dickens' first novel, Pickwick Papers, as Westgate House.

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It also reappears in his last novel, The Mystery of Edwin Drood,

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as Miss Twinkleton's Seminary for Young Ladies.

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This beautiful building behind me is called Restoration House,

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so called because Charles II stayed here the night before

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he was restored to the throne in 1660 as the King of England.

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It's also Miss Havisham's house in Great Expectations,

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where young Pip goes to visit and falls in love with Estella.

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Isn't that magnificent?

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You can imagine Charles Dickens peering through these very gates

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I'm looking through right now,

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just staring at this wonderful house,

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conjuring up all those wonderful scenes in Great Expectations...

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Miss Havisham in her wedding dress,

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the wedding banquet covered in cobwebs,

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and then the whole thing just going up in smoke.

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And my journey today has taken me here to Gad's Hill Place, the home Dickens bought in 1856.

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He first set eyes on Gad's Hill as a young lad whilst out walking one day with his father.

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In a letter to a friend, he wrote, "I thought it the most beautiful house ever seen,

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"and my poor father used to bring me here to look at it and used to say

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"that if I ever grew up to be a clever man, perhaps I might own that house."

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Gad's Hill has been a school for the past 80 years and Dickens' study is now the headmaster's office,

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and I must say it's been quite a few years since I was last summoned to see the headmaster.

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-Sarah, pleased to meet you.

-And you.

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I know you're not the headmaster. You're head of PR at the school.

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I'm not the headmaster, no.

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Thank you for letting us film here today. It's a real honour just being in Dickens' study.

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I've been here for four years and that honour never goes away.

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-Has it changed much?

-It really is pretty much as it would've been when Dickens was here,

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with the exception of a few sort of pieces of furniture.

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His desk would have looked out towards his front lawn,

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and the desk obviously isn't there now. We don't own that desk.

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Probably the most interesting thing we have here are the book ends on the back of the door.

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-That's a nice touch, isn't it?

-It is. I think it's fantastic touch.

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That's just the spines.

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It is, and it gives us a bit of an insight into the character of Dickens, I think.

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The book ends you've got on there, Cat's Lives in nine volumes.

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-So it goes up to nine?

-It does.

-He had a sense of humour.

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Yeah, a real sense of humour, quite an interesting feature in the room.

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Although this was Dickens's study, it's not where he wrote.

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Each day, he would walk through a tunnel at the bottom of his garden to a Swiss chalet.

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It was given to him in kit form by a friend

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and built on a patch of land known as The Wilderness.

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The historic chalet was moved to the centre of Rochester in 1961.

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There are plans to open it to the public,

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but the exterior can already be viewed by anyone who visits the town.

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What's interesting about the tunnel is there are two masks, stone masks,

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-on the tunnel at either end.

-Really?

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The one at this side, this is what I like to think,

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the one at this side is the mask of comedy

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and on the other side is the mask of tragedy,

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so I think when he was going over to do his writing,

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he saw that mask of comedy.

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When he wanted to come back into the real world through the portal, it was the mask of tragedy,

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so he was coming back into the real world,

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back to perhaps where he didn't 100% want to be.

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The more and more I learn about him,

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the more interesting he becomes.

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A very, very complex character, and he had a very difficult upbringing.

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His father went to prison, he went to the work house and I think, because of that,

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he was constantly trying to get away from his past, and I think that he...

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I think he struggled with life a bit. He had ten children.

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Big family man, although, um, slightly scandalous...

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his wife didn't live here so he sort of left her behind,

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so very complex but still immensely famous today.

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And I think that, in order to understand his characters,

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you have to be interested in the man,

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and I think I've probably grown to love him just a little bit.

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Gad's Hill Place was clearly more than a house to Dickens.

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It was his family home and the place from where he was inspired to write

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some of the most famous books in British literature.

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It was also the place where, at the age of 58, he passed away.

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It's really nice that he died here,

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because he had a great affection for Kent.

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As I say, he'd grown up here, he loved walking around Kent,

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lots of elements of Kent within his writing, so it was really nice

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-he spent his last few years here in Kent.

-He came home.

-He did come home, yes.

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Even though the house has been a school for over 80 years, there's still a great sense of Dickens here.

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It is a very special place where somebody extraordinary has lived, breathed and imagined

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some of the most memorable characters and stories ever written.

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Our valuation day is being held at the fabulous Kings Hall in Herne Bay on the north Kent coast.

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Mark's obviously been enjoying being by the sea.

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He's talking boats with Terry and Marilyn.

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The story starts a few months back. My auntie came to visit us and I don't know what it was...

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-She was getting something out of the back of the car, and there was this box with these in it.

-Oh, right.

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I said, "What are you doing with those?"

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She said, "Throw them away."

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And I said, "No, no, don't do that.

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"Leave them with me and I'll dispose of them

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"and, if it's all right with you, whatever we get for them

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"we'll donate to our local branch of the Multiple Sclerosis Society."

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Oh, what a lovely idea. What a lovely idea.

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So somebody said, "Oh, they're doing a Flog It! at Herne Bay,"

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so we thought, "Right, go for the adventure."

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I'm glad you did. They've obviously been played with a bit

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and they're not in their boxes or in pristine condition,

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but generally speaking Tri-ang are very well known

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for the quality of their manufacture.

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They're very tiny but the detail is quite exquisite.

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Well, when we unpacked them from this box from my auntie's,

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I was really impressed with the amount of detail.

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Just such small items, you know, the guns on the battleships

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and some of the rigging on some of the other boats,

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and how on earth they did that in the model-making process

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I don't quite know.

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They specialised in all sorts of toy-making, of course, Tri-ang,

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and if we look at this boat, which of course looks quite stupendous,

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and it should do because it's actually the Queen Mary.

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The detail of the funnels and all the decking, the lifeboats,

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and even the little windows punched out

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and the detail of the stud work...

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And they're so small as well.

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I know. It's really good fun, actually.

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We've got it marked underneath,

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Queen Mary, and we've got the mark for Tri-ang as well.

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-I think they were based in Margate...

-Which is just up the road.

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-I think they were part of Hornby Hobbies at one time.

-Oh, right.

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I'm sure, in the saleroom, people are going to find them interesting,

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but at what level is difficult to predict,

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because collectors of this type of thing

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are quite specific about having the box, being in mint condition and that kind of thing,

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but we've got to be quite sensible.

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Obviously, we've got to try and raise as much money as we can for the charity.

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We're probably looking at about £60 to £100 for the lot.

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-Right.

-So you're happy with that?

-Yes, we're very happy.

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Fantastic. Let's do it. They might even sail past our estimate.

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I'll let you get away with that pun, Mark.

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Right now, I'm heading outside to see how the queue's doing.

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Who owns this? Let me shake your hand.

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I think, apart from you, only one other gentleman today has brought some furniture along,

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so good on you, because we do need more furniture on the show.

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If you've got some, bring it along to one of our valuation days because we don't see enough of it.

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We have stewards to help you unload it from the car

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and carry it into the venue, so please bring it along.

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We do get an awful lot of smalls and it looks so great to have these big things on TV.

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-So hopefully you'll be selling this later on, will you?

-Hope so.

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Fingers crossed.

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We might not get a lot of big items, but we do get a lot of Clarice Cliff and we're always happy to see it.

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Anne and her son Spencer have brought in a piece to show Kate.

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I was bored one day

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and I was reading the local paper,

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and I saw for sale a Clarice Cliff bowl.

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-In a private advert?

-Yes.

-OK.

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-£65 was the asking price.

-Right.

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I paid it happily.

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-And how long ago was this?

-20 years ago, wasn't it?

-20 years.

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That was a lot of money back then, wasn't it? 65.

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Yeah, I love Art Deco.

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So do you know anything more about this particular pattern?

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I did have a Clarice Cliff book that I looked through

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and I never found the pattern, no picture.

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You haven't been able to find it, have you?

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It's not one I've seen, but I don't think it's one of the most rare ones.

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The best thing would be for it to go to auction but for the auction house to have a look

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and do more research on the pattern and see if they can find the name.

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It's possible it's an unlisted pattern but there are websites and collectors' clubs

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that list all the patterns so they'd be able to find out.

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But it's quite a funky piece of design, anyway.

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-I can see why you liked it. It's classic Clarice Cliff, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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You've got the really good acid colours, the green, the yellow.

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These really strange... a bit like fried eggs, the fried-egg flowers.

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Yeah, they are fried eggs!

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So it's a really iconic bit of design.

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We go on about Clarice Cliff but they are the best of their era,

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but I'm going to moan about condition.

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Yeah. They told me, the couple I bought it from, they were quite elderly.

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They'd used it as a plant pot.

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I can see in the front here, there is a lot of damage wear-wise to the paint

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and also there's a great big hairline crack along the bottom,

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so that's obviously going to affect the price.

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Any ideas what you're hoping to get for it if you put it in a sale?

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I was hoping for 80 to 100.

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I think, with the condition being as it is,

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it's going to be maybe a little bit less.

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I would have said, in that condition, £40 to £60.

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You can never tell, can you?

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Would you sell it?

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If we put it in with a reserve of £40, would you sell it at that

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or would you be gutted?

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Could it run to 60?

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It's your item so if you would be really disappointed to sell it for lower than your reserve

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obviously there's no point putting it in.

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If you'd take 60 as the least, put that as your reserve, we'll put 60-100 as an estimate.

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There are people that collect and sometimes condition won't matter if it's a very rare pattern.

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It's worth a go. That's the best thing about auctions.

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You have no idea what'll happen.

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-It's what someone wants to pay.

-And it'll go on the internet.

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-You loved it and hopefully somebody else will.

-I did. I do.

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Why are you selling it now, then?

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We're thinking of downsizing as I have Parkinson's...

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She can't do the stairs.

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I can at the moment, but there'll be a time when I can't.

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I've got to start letting go.

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Sorting through your collection, getting rid of stuff.

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Dad likes to break things as well. He's a compulsive cleaner!

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That's not what you want in a room-full of china, is it, really?

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I hope we can get it sold and help with the move. That would be great, wouldn't it?

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-Yeah.

-Thanks for bringing it in.

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

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I'm sure that bowl will do well.

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At least Anne's husband won't break it when he's dusting!

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Now, where shall I go next?

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Kieran, this is a very nice map by John Speed.

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Early 17th-century map.

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He was a surveyor

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and he was championed by royalty in this country,

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and they actually financed a lot of his work.

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The secret of Speed maps is the fact that they were all printed

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in Holland, the quality of the printing was superb,

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then brought back here and hand-coloured. This shows the shires.

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Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire. Look at this.

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-Look at Reading.

-Very detailed, isn't it?

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Quite incredible! Look how small it was then.

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And this is a good sign, seeing lots of armorials,

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because he would've got sponsors as well.

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These crests, family coat of arms, actually sponsored and paid him so they could be part of the map.

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What's the other side for? I've inherited, or been given this by my parents.

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Whoever framed this did a jolly good job

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because it's so nice to have the map on one side,

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but also the history of Buckinghamshire on the other,

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so it tells you a little bit about the place, which is fascinating.

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The condition is superb, there's no foxing.

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Now, when I first started Flog It! about ten years ago,

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these maps were very, very popular.

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They'd just about peaked then and were fetching £800 to £1200 in good condition,

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but they've started to lose their popularity.

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The ones that people want now are the ones that show the coastline, a slight bit of coastline.

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Nevertheless, if you put this into auction,

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it should realise around £500 to £700. What were you hoping for?

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Probably double what my father paid for it, which was 500.

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-So you were hoping for £1,000?

-Probably about there.

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Maybe hang onto it, and hopefully fashions will change again.

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And the key to this actually if you do want to sell it, is sell it

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in the Reading area because that map of Reading is quite unique.

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Look at that street plan. Look at the way Reading's spelt.

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R-E-D-D-I-N-G.

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That did cross my mind, actually.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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If you want to sell it, put it into an auction room

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in the Home Counties, in the shires.

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But what a wonderful thing and thank you so much for bringing that in.

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Thank you very much for your time.

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Kieran's holding on to his map so we won't sell that one.

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I wonder if Jan will feel the same about the bronze stag she's showing Mark.

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Well, what can I say? What a lovely stag you've brought in.

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I like him too.

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Tell me all about him.

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I bought him about 40 to 45 years ago in a flea market in Greenwich, London.

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-How much did you pay for him?

-£4.50.

-£4.50?

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-In the old money.

-I'll double your money for you. How about that?

-No!

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Quite right. So what attracted you to him?

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His eyes. If you look, he'll follow you about.

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Beautifully painted.

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Yeah, they don't move but they feel as though they do.

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He's very freaky, actually.

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It's very beautifully painted.

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-Was this antler like this when you bought it?

-Yes.

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So I think it has been dropped somewhere cos that antler would almost certainly be up here.

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Now, do you know what it was made of?

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No, I thought it was just metal.

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Well, it's actually made of bronze,

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and this technique of decorating is called cold-painted bronze.

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So this has been painted once the figure has cooled down,

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and it's quite a specialist technique.

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It's most popular in places like Austria and Germany.

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The maker you always associate with pieces of this quality is Franz Bergman.

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Now, he specialised in these sort of cold-painted bronze animals,

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birds, lobsters, all sorts of things,

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and he sneakily did some very risque ones

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where there was a young lady, say,

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with a bronze cloak on, all beautifully decorated.

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And then, when you opened her up, she'd be naked inside.

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-Ohh.

-Now, on those ones,

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he signs his name is reverse, so it says Namgreb instead of Bergman.

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-I see.

-Cos he didn't want to be associated with those,

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but those I'm sure were his most profitable ones.

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Unfortunately, I've had a chance to look at this,

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I can't see a mark.

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What I can see, in a very indelicate part of the stag's anatomy,

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is a stamp for "geschutz"

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which is a German or Austrian word which means registered.

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You normally find that in association with Bergman so that's a very good sign.

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The other reason I think we can safely say that it's a Bergman

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is just the sheer quality of it...

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the decoration, the quality of the eyes, the painted nose.

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It looks like a stag, doesn't it? It's wonderful in quality.

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And you paid £4.50 for it?

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They're quite popular. There's quite a big market for these.

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I'm a little bit cautious, Jan, simply because of this.

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When you try to adjust these, if you adjust them too much,

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you'll snap the whole thing off,

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so I'm being a little bit cautious on that.

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What do you think it might be worth? Have you got an opinion?

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Not really, no. I think about ten years,

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a friend of mine, her husband offered me £100 for him.

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-Well, that's too little.

-But I said no.

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If it was in absolutely perfect condition, with the antlers and signed,

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I think we could easily say this was worth...

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oh, gosh, £400, £500 or more.

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If we tried it in at say £250 to £350 and put a reserve of £250...

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I'm not bothered about a reserve, to be honest.

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-I think we should.

-We should?

-Yeah.

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If the internet goes down or whatever, or if people aren't there,

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then it could go for £50, though I doubt it.

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But you don't want it back, is that what you're saying?

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Then let's put a slightly lower reserve of £200 on it,

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but this is such a quality piece and it's really made our afternoon.

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Thank you very much.

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That's a rather special thing.

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I think this is the one to watch.

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There you are. You've just seen it.

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Our experts have made their final choices

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so now it's time to say a fond farewell to Herne Bay.

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It's been wonderful filming here for the day,

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but now we're moving inland to the Canterbury Auction Rooms.

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And we're taking with us Terry and Marilyn's miniature boats,

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that charming Clarice Cliff bowl,

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and Jan's fantastic bronze stag.

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Before the sale,

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I got the chance to talk to auctioneer Cliona Kilroy

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about the bronze stag.

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Absolutely love this. Big fan of cold-painted bronze,

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especially if they're signed Bergman, but this is gorgeous,

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this stag and it belongs to Jan.

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Mark, our expert, put £250 to £350 on this,

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and I think that'll fly away cos the small ones do that.

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Absolutely. He's just stunning, stunning quality.

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Everything about him, features, detail,

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it's all there, and I just think he's great, really unusual,

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and I think he'll make all of that money easily.

0:37:060:37:09

-You're enthusiastic about this?

-I really like him, yes.

0:37:090:37:12

OK, stick your neck out...

0:37:120:37:14

OK, there has been a bit of interest and I would hope that he would...

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-Four to six?

-..break his top estimate.

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I'd like him to do that and I think it is possible.

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The buck stops here.

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We'll see how the stag does a little bit later on, but first up

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it's Terry who's come to see the miniature boats go under the hammer,

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although his wife Marilyn couldn't make it.

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We've got £100 riding on this at the top end, £60 to £100.

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We hope, for the cause they're going to, they get as much as they can.

0:37:400:37:44

-Exactly. Remind us again.

-I'm the local chairman of the Thanet branch of the Multiple Sclerosis Society,

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and whatever this raises will go to help with the work that that branch does.

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Great cause. Going under the hammer right now.

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Lot number 245 is the Tri-ang model ship of RMS Queen Mary.

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Lot number 245, who'll start me at £40?

0:38:050:38:07

Thank you, 40 I'm bid.

0:38:070:38:08

Who's in at 50 now?

0:38:080:38:09

Bid is on my right at £40.

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£50 I'm looking for. Any interest at 50?

0:38:120:38:14

-Come on, please, come on.

-Any interest at £50?

0:38:140:38:17

On my right... 50 I'm bid. 60? 70?

0:38:170:38:19

70 anywhere? On my right at £60, then, and selling at 60...

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Every little penny helps.

0:38:230:38:25

-Every little penny helps.

-It does. I thought it was quite cheap, though.

0:38:250:38:28

-So did I!

-I thought it would've gone for a bit more.

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But thank you for doing what you've done

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and it's raised a few pounds towards running a local branch.

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And raised the profile so hopefully more people will be aware.

0:38:360:38:40

-Yes. Thank you.

-Thanks.

0:38:400:38:41

You've got family support. That's your daughter. What's her name?

0:38:410:38:45

She's Emily.

0:38:450:38:46

-Emily, hi there.

-Come to support me.

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A good result for a good cause.

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We're happy with that.

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Next up it's the Clarice Cliff bowl

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being sold by Anne and her son Spencer.

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This really is your inheritance. Mum should be handing it down to you, Spence.

0:38:570:39:01

Yes, I know, but...

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But I can't see Spence wanting a bit of Clarice Cliff, can you, Kate?

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It's a bit girly.

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You might like that, I don't know.

0:39:080:39:11

-I'll take the money!

-Take the money.

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-You paid £65 for this.

-Correct.

-Yes.

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-How long ago?

-A long, long time ago.

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-Top money, then?

-I'd like to, I'd like to.

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Hopefully, we can improve on that over 20 years, Kate.

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It has got a crack so that might do for it, but you never know.

0:39:240:39:27

-That's what's fun about auctions. Fingers crossed.

-Yeah.

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Lot number 37 is the Clarice Cliff Erin pattern octagonal bowl.

0:39:320:39:36

Who'll start me at £50? Any interest at 50? 50 I'm bid.

0:39:360:39:39

Who's in at £60 now?

0:39:390:39:41

-60 for someone?

-We want two people.

-Yes.

0:39:430:39:46

Thank you. £60 I'm bid. 70?

0:39:460:39:48

-80?

-There's a telephone bidder.

-Good.

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-90, 100, 110...

-They like it.

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120, 130, 140, 150,

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160, 170,

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180, 190...

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Oh, they love it, don't they? Clarice!

0:40:050:40:08

200? Anybody at £200?

0:40:080:40:11

I'm selling at £190 if we're all done...

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Hammer's gone down. £190.

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Excellent, isn't it?

0:40:150:40:17

That's my first...

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I'm really pleased. That was great. I thought maybe the condition would do it, but that's great.

0:40:180:40:24

-Yeah, that's quality.

-It is nice, though. Good pattern. Erin pattern was a lovely pattern.

0:40:240:40:28

-It was lovely. Lovely colours.

-Yeah.

0:40:280:40:30

Are you going to treat each other? I think you should take Mum out for lunch.

0:40:300:40:34

She can take me out now!

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A good result. Clarice Cliff still does the business.

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Next up it's Jan who bought her magnificent bronze stag more than 40 years ago.

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-Well, I'm excited. Are you?

-No.

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No? Oh, come on, you must be, Jan.

0:40:520:40:54

-You must be!

-I am a little bit.

0:40:540:40:55

We're just about to say goodbye to that wonderful Bergman bronze.

0:40:550:40:59

We're looking at £350 at Mark's top end but I had a chat to Cliona

0:40:590:41:03

and we both feel it could easily double that.

0:41:030:41:06

You just don't know. If two people want it...

0:41:060:41:09

It's weird the way the eyes look at you.

0:41:090:41:11

-Why do you want to sell it?

-I'm getting old now so I want to buy some double glazing.

0:41:110:41:17

Oh, we could get you some of that, hopefully,

0:41:170:41:19

if this goes for double the top end,

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and if it does, Mark's there to catch you.

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We both will.

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Lot number 524, the cold-painted bronze figure of the stag.

0:41:270:41:31

Who'll start me at £200?

0:41:310:41:32

-Any bid at £200?

-Oh, come on.

0:41:330:41:35

£200 I'm bid. Who's in at 210?

0:41:350:41:38

Any interest at 210, 220, 230, 240, 250,

0:41:400:41:44

260, 270, 280, 290,

0:41:440:41:47

300 and 20, 340, 360, 380...

0:41:470:41:50

This is more like it.

0:41:500:41:53

440, 460, 480, 500, 520,

0:41:530:41:57

540, 560, 580, 600? Anybody at 600?

0:41:570:42:02

600 and 20, 640,

0:42:020:42:05

660, 680, 700,

0:42:050:42:09

720, 740, 760...

0:42:090:42:12

-I'm shaking.

-780, 800...

0:42:120:42:17

820, 840, 860, 880,

0:42:170:42:22

900, 920, 940, 960,

0:42:220:42:27

980, 1,000,

0:42:270:42:29

1,100, 1,150.

0:42:290:42:34

The bid is at £1,100 on the telephone now. Any further offer?

0:42:340:42:38

If not, I'm selling at £1,100.

0:42:380:42:39

The bid is with Chris at 1,100.

0:42:390:42:42

Yes, the hammer's gone down. £1,100!

0:42:420:42:45

-They love that.

-Fantastic quality.

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I knew I was being a bit cautious, but it never lets you down, does it?

0:42:470:42:52

No, no, not at all.

0:42:520:42:54

Well, that was a nice surprise, wasn't it?

0:42:540:42:57

Thank you.

0:42:570:42:59

I told you I'd give you a kiss.

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Oh, I'll never wash again!

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It doesn't get much better than that. Well worth a kiss.

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Well, sadly we're coming to the end of another show.

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A few lows and a few highs there, but that's auctions for you.

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But I can guarantee something, they're always full of surprises, so do join me again for many more.

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But for now, from Canterbury, it's cheerio.

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