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MUSIC: Pretty Vacant by The Sex Pistols

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I'm an interviewer,

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and I must have interviewed hundreds of people by now.

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But this one, I'm not quite sure what awaits me.

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I'm interviewing John Lydon, who, as the angry frontman

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for the Sex Pistols, personified punk and all it stood for.

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# We're so pretty, oh so pretty... #

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What about the word "punk"? It means worthless, nasty.

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Johnny Rotten, are you happy with this word?

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No, the press gave us it.

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It's their problem, not ours.

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We never called ourselves punk.

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After leaving the Sex Pistols in 1978,

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Lydon formed Public Image Ltd, a much more experimental band,

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giving him an outlet for more personal songs.

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# You never listened to a word that I said

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# You only see me for the clothes that I wear... #

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40 years on from his punk days, and having just turned 60,

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is John Lydon still angry?

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'I met John at the end of a European tour promoting PiL's latest

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'album, What The World Needs Now.

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'He's just off the tour bus and has terrible flu.'

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Because I'm so ill today, I'm having a Garden Of Love drink.

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Oh, good, and what's in it?

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Well, it's tomato juice, you know, a few herbs and spices,

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and...(vodka).

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And vodka? OK.

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I thought you'd hear that.

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-Yeah.

-Well done.

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You turned 60 at the beginning of this year.

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Was that...worrying, coming up to 60?

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Did you sort of think, "I'm old"?

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No. When I was 21, that was a worry.

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I became very, very precious about myself that day.

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And, about ten minutes later, I got over it,

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and now I don't think age at all.

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No, 60's fine.

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I look at it as a really, really, seriously good achievement.

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-To have lasted this long?

-Yeah.

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Because I wouldn't have given myself the chance at 21.

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And I was sad at being 21.

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Because I thought that was old.

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-Yeah.

-So, the thought of 60 was, like, "Oh, shock horrors.

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"That can never happen."

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But it does, and it's fantastic,

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and I'm really pleased that I've outlived so many of my peers,

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because life has been, the longer I go on, the more rewarding.

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Yes.

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The more a sense of achievement,

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the more to do, the more to enjoy.

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Do you mean literally you sort of say,

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"Oh, that one's gone, glad he died, glad he died," or...?

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No, I would never think that.

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Actually, I miss the death of

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every human being.

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I've had mortal enemies die, and I really, really miss their place.

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I wondered, actually, did you sort of forgive Malcolm McLaren?

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You have to, instantly, the second anybody dies. You have to.

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You never carry rage on into their death, ever.

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Ever, ever.

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It's the most disrespectful thing I think you could ever show

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-the human race is contempt for a fellow human being...

-Right.

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..once they've ceased to exist and can't defend themselves.

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From thereon in, the rest of my life,

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-I will defend their position.

-Yeah.

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That's how I see it.

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But he is somebody you seemed to have

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a sort of long bitterness about, or...

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-No!

-Yeah.

-Not at all.

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-OK.

-Obviously he was a bit weak, but he can't help that.

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-That's part of his personality.

-Yeah, yeah.

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And an exciting part of it, too,

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because it gets you into creative situations that...

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-Because he's so, um...malleable...

-Yeah.

-..it can lead to trouble,

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because he'll run away when the trouble comes.

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And then...then it became my duty to sort it out.

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# Trouble is the end of the shame

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# I wanted trouble

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# Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble... #

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'PiL's latest album, What The World Needs Now, was recorded in 2015.'

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I thought that there was quite a lot of anger in this album.

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Oh, I am amazed(!)

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OK.

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-I think a kind of brittle, volatile humour.

-Yes.

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Not anger, not rage, not resentment.

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Actually, there's a hope in it.

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Because of the humour.

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It's striving for a better way around all of our problems.

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-Yes.

-Rather than continuously making enemies.

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I mean, actually, the one I thought was really,

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-really good was Double Trouble.

-Oh.

-HE LAUGHS

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-Yes.

-The worst row on it.

-Well, exactly.

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But I will say... LAUGHTER

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But also because it did, I thought,

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give a really sort of...compressed but very tight picture of...

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-I hope it brought clarity to domestic situations...

-Yes.

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..that sometimes can get so out of hand,

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and you have to be able to look around

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-and laugh at yourself at some point.

-Yes.

-And that's what that song does.

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And that's the actual reality of the row that we had.

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And that now is Nora's favourite song on the album.

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Nora, your wife. Yes.

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-It makes her just scream with laughter.

-Oh, good. Yeah.

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And we turned an argument about the installation of a toilet

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into a song.

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# What? You fucking nagging again?

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# About what? What? What?

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# The toilet's fucking broken again

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# I repaired that, I told you

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# Get the plumber in again

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# And again and again and again and again and again and again... #

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You're saying that you want to have a row,

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-you quite like to have a row...

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

-..and she's basically saying,

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-"Just mend the bloody toilet."

-Yeah, but really pushing for the argument,

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and sometimes in relationships it's really healthy...

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-Yeah, yeah.

-..to go for the jugular.

-Yeah.

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Because, once you're there, you realise,

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"Ooh, you might be a bit wrong in this one."

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Yes, yes.

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And because there's a woman involved, you're definitely wrong.

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-Yes.

-And you gotta be fair about that,

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and so you pull back, but you've learnt.

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-You've learnt that all that pent-up aggression...

-Is good for you.

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..isn't about the toilet at all,

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-but it is good for you to release it and find a way out.

-Yeah.

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And makes for an amazing song, and I look at that song now and

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I think, "I guess nobody's really used these kinds of situations."

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But did the song actually start with you saying...?

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Yeah, "What? Are you nagging again?"

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-I mean, was that the first line you wrote.

-Yeah!

-Oh.

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Because I'd set the premise of the song, like, installing

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a toilet single-handedly four years ago in America, and so that was it.

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-Yes.

-If you did it then, you can do it now.

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# Give me a row, right now

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# We'll stir it up and clear the air

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# On what is what, it's only fair

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# I want the trouble, trouble, trouble

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# On the double, double, double

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# Give me trouble... #

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-And did you then write it all sort of soon, all together?

-Yeah, yeah.

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Because it seems to have different movements in it.

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If a song roughly comes together, usually very, very, quickly,

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if the idea's good, it will naturally flow.

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And that's one of the few songs that really, really did.

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# I want the trouble, trouble, trouble

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# On the double, double, double

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# Give me trouble

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# Oh, yeah!

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# I want the trouble! #

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What? What do you want now?

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You still have quite an angry public image,

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but you're obviously very mellow, really, aren't you?

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Um, if I had a philosophical hero,

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and I sort of do, it's Gandhi.

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-Oh, right.

-Passive resistance.

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-Yes.

-Yeah.

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Major modern achievement.

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-And you like listening to Mozart, and you get up at dawn.

-Yeah.

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And you're healthy...

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But I also like listening to, you know, mad crash death metal.

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Right. Right.

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How druggie were you in your youth? It was amphetamines you took, yes?

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"Druggie?" No. I've never considered speed to be a drug.

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It's something that helps you stay awake while you get

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to drink a hell of a lot more.

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Oh, I see. So, the drink is the primary thing.

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-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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So, it wasn't, like, that you had been very druggie and then

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you went in rehab and then you were clean?

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No, and I never understood this in the Pistols scenario either.

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When I keep hearing about them all talking about the heroin in it,

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I never seen it, really.

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I knew Sid was messing about, because his mother messed about,

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and so he stood no chance there.

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Yeah.

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When Sid Vicious died,

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did you feel guilty about having introduced him into the band?

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Yeah.

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I thought he'd handle it better, and I suppose I was being a bit selfish.

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I felt I needed an ally in the band.

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And so I wasn't quite looking out for him fully.

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Am I my brother's keeper?

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I mean, we're all about the same age,

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we've all had the same life experiences.

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Some of us learn better than others.

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# Well, c'mon everybody and let's get together tonight

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# I got some money in my jeans and I'm really gonna spend it right... #

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It broke me up to watch him just fall apart like that.

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And it just wisped out of your hands.

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# Ooh, c'mon everybody... #

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Do you think if you hadn't brought him into the Sex Pistols...?

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-He'd have had no life at all.

-Really? Yeah.

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You might as well, you know, burn up...

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He wouldn't be a happily married father-of-six?

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-Never, ever, ever was that possible for him.

-No. OK.

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Ever.

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So, some track of doom he was on, whatever.

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Just some people are born for the short circuit. You know.

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And it's what he wanted, he wanted a life of instant gratification.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately, that kind of lifestyle,

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you have to actually work for it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that let him down.

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And, I tell you, I mean, many people would be jealous of this,

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he had no aptitude for music whatsoever.

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-None.

-Right.

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And yet got through that.

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-That's...

-Yes.

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-Very quickly.

-Yes.

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But...that's fantastic, and, so...

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I suppose, in that way, I can say,

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you know, "Cor, we gave you something good there, Sid."

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Yeah. Are you quite a sort of health nut?

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It seems an odd thing to ask you, but...

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-No, very, very far removed from that.

-OK.

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I've got no concept of exercise.

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I wondered there if you were into, I don't know,

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green diets or something healthy.

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No, no, no. All of those things, you end up with diarrhoea.

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-It's very unpleasant.

-SHE LAUGHS

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I read recently, though, that you're worried about your eyesight.

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-Is that...?

-Oh, yeah. You notice I'm constantly trying to focus?

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-Well, are you? Yeah.

-Yeah.

-I wondered slightly. So, what is it?

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It's going very, very...bleary.

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-All over?

-Yeah.

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-Yeah.

-And that's what?

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Well, I don't think you can get your eyes lasered for just

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-worn-out muscles.

-Oh, right.

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And I just... They just won't function any more.

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So, it's stronger and stronger glasses. And that's really

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painful for me, because I love to paint, I love to write.

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Oh, right.

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That's... I'm missing so much that...

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But you've always had this sort of strange characteristic stare

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-with sort of poppy eyes.

-It's called focus.

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-Well, that's you trying to focus, is it?

-Yeah.

-Yes, that.

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That. But I mean I wondered if doing that was bad for you.

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Well, it's the only way I can actually get to realise what

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-it is I'm looking at.

-Oh.

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And, in a live performance,

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it's really important to me sometimes that I actually

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acknowledge accurately what it is these looks that are coming at

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me are all about, what they're really all about.

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And so I would take that time to, like, you know, work it out.

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-Oh, right.

-And sometimes people think that's frightening.

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But the smarter ones realise that I'm trying to share with them

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-eyeball-to-eyeball contact.

-Yeah.

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Which can be an amazingly emotional thing on a live...a live gig.

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# Ah-woooo

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# Ah-woooo

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# Maybe you there

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# Oh, maybe you can stroke me

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# Somebody there

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# Oh, maybe they awoke me

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# And in the embers there

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# Get up in the fire

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# When the boat comes in

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# Gonna be the one... #

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There's a song on this album, The One, tell me about that.

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What's that all about?

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It's several things all put in together.

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It started out as a really nice homage to... I suppose you'd

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call it glitter rock.

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-Right.

-That period. T. Rex, Mungo Jerry...

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Gary Glitter.

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Uh, they were making really, really nice, like, crunchy dance music in a

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pop music way, and it was thrilling, the noises from them productions.

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That was the backdrop really, to me, like,

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trying to chat up girls at that time.

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-OK.

-You know? 14, 15, and very, very useless at it.

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And I'd be learning how to dance at home, too,

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those kind of rhythms,

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and making a complete fool of myself at the local, you know, social.

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Yeah.

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But, still, I kept at it.

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Eventually, girls did learn to dance with me.

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Yeah, well...I mean, you probably were good at chatting them up,

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-weren't you?

-No, absolutely horribly shy and useless.

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And I wanted that to be in the song.

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-Yeah.

-You know?

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To encapsulate the truth and honesty of just feeling like

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a horribly spotty, inadequate teenager.

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-Yes.

-A good precursor to the Sex Pistols is really what it was.

-Yeah.

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But there's other verses in there, too, that, me being me,

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I feel I have to bring in, and one of them is my respect for

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the British military, particularly paratroopers.

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I have friends who do that.

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And...what it is they face when they go abroad.

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# Foreign land

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# Ah-wooooo

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# With a had full of sand

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# Ah-wooooo

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# It's in the palm of my hand

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# I'll be there when I can

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# Got that one... #

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This is meaning quite a lot to me, because it...

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They're enduring something I'm not enduring,

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-and they're doing this on my behalf.

-Yeah.

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And, hopefully, for some kind of sense of world peace,

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and I just want to give my respect to my fellow human beings who

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unfortunately find themselves as soldiers, policing the world...

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in situations they did not create.

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# You're the one

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# And you got that one

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# One! #

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'The latest incarnation of PiL was funded by John taking

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'a break from the band and becoming a television personality.

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Oh, what a stink! Bloody hell, I need a gas mask.

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All right.

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There they are. There's some real whoppers around.

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Hello.

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There was a period when you were sort of wandering away from

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the path of being a musician. JOHN LAUGHS

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God, people don't give me no breaks, do they?

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Well...

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I was having great fun raising money for...

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Well, yeah, that's what you then explained in the book,

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that I hadn't realised at the time,

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that you were doing it to get the money to carry on with the music.

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-Yeah.

-Yeah, that makes sense.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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It was just the bravery of knowing that I would have to

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face-to-face off with a lot of people accusing me

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of a lot of things here.

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The word "sellout",

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you know, all of these things were going to be thrown at me.

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Yes, well, people are always keen on calling anyone a sellout.

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-People that are cable of jealousy no matter what it is you do.

-Yeah.

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-So, they're going to be jealous anyway. At least do something.

-Yeah.

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You know? There's no point in sitting back and being shy and coy

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and doing nothing, cos they're still going to hate you.

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-Yes, yes.

-Give them a bloody good reason.

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A bit of that... # Mysterious girl...#

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Why do you know how to do it?

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Did you used to get your derby out, used to get your derby out, did you?

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-I'm not here to support a page three

-BLEEP

-blow-up balloon.

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Right?

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I fucking ain't!

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-No

-BLEEP

-more.

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Bollocks to you.

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Doing I'm A Celebrity wasn't such a happy experience?

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-They did some really, really bad things to us.

-Yeah.

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The deal was that they would tell me when my wife arrived in

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Australia, cos they flew out in advance for the show.

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And...they refused.

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And that's very, very spiteful, because Nora and I,

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we missed the Lockerbie flight...

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-Oh, yes.

-..just by hours.

-Yeah.

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Just because it had been slow packing bags.

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And...well, from that day on, I have to know her every movement.

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-Yeah.

-Particularly through airports.

-Oh, right.

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And that's not something you should hold the information back on.

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-Yeah.

-Everybody else seemed to have family connections,

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cos they'd all tell us later, and I thought,

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"Oh, dear, here it goes, yeah, they're trying to wind me up here."

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-Yes.

-"And create a scene."

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Me, I'm fine with it. You know?

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You can't hurt me. You cannot hurt me.

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You cannot stop me, you cannot beat me.

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And, so, I know that and you know that.

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Bye-bye.

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There seems to be quite a lot about sex in this album.

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Bettie Page, first and foremost.

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It was, uh...one of the earliest strippers who got away with it,

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really, in America.

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# Stripping down to the stars and stripes

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# To Bettie Page, yeah

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# Well, you can take my stage... #

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Was that a real person?

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A real person, a very, very seriously interesting...

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Because this was at the time of the Prohibition, and the Mafia

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running the nightclubs, and the evangelical Right,

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and she managed to survive through all of these elements

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as a very, very independent-thinking woman.

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And that's an incredible achievement for then.

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But what got you...?

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That was the worst thing to be was a woman with a free mind and spirit.

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-And sexy.

-No, she wasn't, though.

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HE LAUGHS Oh, she wasn't? Oh!

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-I thought that...

-Well, maybe at the time that was considered,

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but I look back at it now and it's kind of... It's quaint, but people

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have got to know that that quaint is what got them their freedoms today.

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Do you ever sit down alone and listen to Sex Pistols?

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-Alone?

-Yeah. HE LAUGHS

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-No, no.

-Yes.

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Like I do all my records. Everything I've been on.

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I'll do this every couple of years, just to remind myself and be

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really surprised by what I wrote, and what I did, and how I did it.

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# The public image... #

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# This is not a love song

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# This is not a love song, this is not a love song

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# This is not a love song, This is not a love song... #

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# I could be right

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# I could be wrong... #

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What are you proudest of, which single...?

0:21:260:21:29

-Just the sheer body of it.

-Oh, right.

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And its variety.

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And it seems utterly limitless, it's...

0:21:330:21:37

-I seem to be able to go in any direction with any force.

-Yeah.

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And avoid cliches.

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Yes.

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But it's not enough yet.

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What, you want to go on writing...?

0:21:480:21:49

Oh, there's much, much more. Much, much more to do.

0:21:490:21:52

And you now have a group that you all get on with,

0:21:520:21:55

where, in the past, you were often at war with your own...

0:21:550:21:58

-Well, always at the beginnings, it's always great fun, isn't it?

-Oh, OK.

0:21:580:22:03

-And then you're at war.

-Then you're at war.

0:22:030:22:06

No, the jealousies have stopped.

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I've found a perfect blend,

0:22:090:22:11

and Lou and Bruce, I mean...

0:22:110:22:14

-I've known those fellas since I first started.

-Yeah.

0:22:140:22:18

You know, I was in the Pistols, Lou was in The Damned.

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Bruce is in The Pop Group.

0:22:200:22:23

That's three very relevant bands from them early days,

0:22:230:22:26

-and yet here we are still as friends.

-Yeah.

0:22:260:22:30

You said in your book, "I'm a quiet, contemplative kind of soul,

0:22:300:22:34

"the deep thinker, and, oddly enough, very rational."

0:22:340:22:37

I mean, do you seriously think that? You think that you're...?

0:22:370:22:42

-It's possible.

-Very rational?

0:22:420:22:45

Yes, that's an important part of song-writing.

0:22:450:22:48

-Yes.

-You get the drama out the way quickly and then you can correct it.

0:22:480:22:52

Yes.

0:22:520:22:54

And I believe fully that you don't get nowhere in this life

0:22:540:22:56

unless you involve hard, serious work with it.

0:22:560:23:00

Yeah.

0:23:000:23:01

And this is what the King of Punk has always, always detailed.

0:23:010:23:07

Hard work.

0:23:070:23:08

I do not want to remain a cliche,

0:23:080:23:10

I do not want to sing and do the same things year in, year out.

0:23:100:23:14

I want to advance this.

0:23:140:23:17

I've been given an opportunity, and I see that as a gift,

0:23:170:23:20

and I will not throw away lightly.

0:23:200:23:22

Yeah.

0:23:220:23:23

And the more extreme and further and different I can take it, the better.

0:23:230:23:27

Did you just call yourself the King of Punk?

0:23:270:23:30

Yeah. It's the truth.

0:23:300:23:31

I thought you didn't like the label, punk.

0:23:310:23:33

I don't, I don't, but I'm not going to give it to any old wanker.

0:23:330:23:36

Oh, I see, OK. LAUGHTER

0:23:360:23:38

-And the thing...

-I kind of had to earn it.

-Yes.

0:23:380:23:41

I had to fight for it, and...and there it is.

0:23:410:23:45

You'd be foolish to throw that away to some

0:23:450:23:49

wannabe Johnny Rotten character.

0:23:490:23:51

Yeah.

0:23:510:23:53

If they're to truly understand what punk is, then,

0:23:530:23:55

to understand it, it's advancing yourself continuously,

0:23:550:23:59

opening more and more doors,

0:23:590:24:01

making more and more messages possible.

0:24:010:24:04

And, so, King of Punk ain't no narrow-mind.

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# What the world needs now

0:24:080:24:11

# Is another "Fuck off!" #

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What does "shoom" mean, actually?

0:24:180:24:20

It's the sound that the drum machine made when it broke.

0:24:200:24:24

Oh, OK.

0:24:240:24:26

-And...

-A dying force.

-Yeah. Shoooooom.

0:24:260:24:29

-OK.

-And it was hilarious.

0:24:290:24:32

And I kind of rallied around that and...

0:24:320:24:35

we turned it into a very, very interesting song,

0:24:350:24:39

which is...it's a requiem,

0:24:390:24:42

done my inimitably different way,

0:24:420:24:44

I must admit, a bit odd.

0:24:440:24:47

It's from my dad's point of view and

0:24:470:24:49

the dry humour he had and...

0:24:490:24:52

He was great company...

0:24:520:24:53

-From your dad's point of view?

-Yeah.

0:24:530:24:55

Cos you say, "What the world needs now is another...?"

0:24:550:24:58

Oh, yeah, this is how my dad would be, he'd sit in the pub,

0:24:580:25:01

near the jukebox, always complaining about every single noise

0:25:010:25:05

that came out of it.

0:25:050:25:06

Oh, but he wouldn't...?

0:25:060:25:08

-With great irony, with laughter.

-Yeah.

0:25:080:25:10

Humour. Very, very dry.

0:25:100:25:13

And that's like...

0:25:130:25:15

I never realised it when I was younger,

0:25:150:25:17

that was...that was all part of my personality, too.

0:25:170:25:20

But when he died, you sort of remembered...

0:25:200:25:23

-I remembered that side, yeah.

-Yeah.

0:25:230:25:26

It was a sad time.

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He died a couple of years just before we made the last album,

0:25:280:25:32

and I wanted something for him.

0:25:320:25:34

It doesn't explicitly mention your father, though, does it?

0:25:340:25:37

It shouldn't. Doesn't need to. It's the thought process that's there.

0:25:370:25:40

But isn't that the one that's sort of "sex is all bollocks,

0:25:400:25:43

-"music is all bollocks..."?

-Yeah. That'd be my dad.

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OK. OK.

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Many disappointments in love.

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# Play me

0:25:510:25:53

# Play bollocks

0:25:530:25:55

# Pay me

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# Pay bollocks

0:25:570:25:59

# Contacts

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# Are bollocks

0:26:010:26:03

# Contracts

0:26:030:26:05

# They're bollocks

0:26:050:26:07

# Success

0:26:070:26:09

# It's bollocks

0:26:090:26:11

# Botox

0:26:110:26:13

# Your bollocks

0:26:130:26:15

# Sex box, all bollocks

0:26:150:26:19

# Fuck you, fuck off!... #

0:26:190:26:21

Your dad was a boozer, wasn't he?

0:26:210:26:24

My dad never drunk much. He didn't really like it.

0:26:240:26:27

When he was young, it was whisky, and he quickly stopped that

0:26:270:26:31

because he had to realise it was turning him.

0:26:310:26:35

And us kids didn't like to see that.

0:26:350:26:38

Turning him?

0:26:380:26:40

Well, you know, the hitting of the mum kind of scenario.

0:26:400:26:42

Oh, really?

0:26:420:26:43

Yeah, and, so, he stopped, and he stopped really, really good,

0:26:430:26:47

and he never drank the shorts ever again.

0:26:470:26:49

-And he didn't like beer.

-Right.

0:26:490:26:52

So, he'd be in the pub with us, not liking beer but one in front of him.

0:26:520:26:57

-Yeah. Oh, right.

-Doing his shoom.

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# I'm working class

0:27:000:27:02

# Me, right at the start

0:27:020:27:04

# I'm horse and cart

0:27:040:27:05

# Me, right in the heart

0:27:050:27:07

# Fall to the floor

0:27:070:27:09

# Beat, droop in the heat

0:27:090:27:12

# I'm always complete

0:27:120:27:14

# I come from the street #

0:27:140:27:16

And that's about it, really.

0:27:180:27:21

You've said that you regard yourself as lucky to have

0:27:210:27:24

got as far as 60, is that because...?

0:27:240:27:27

-Well, I'm past 60 now, so...

-Yeah.

0:27:270:27:30

-Well, you are 60, aren't you?

-Improvements.

-Yeah.

0:27:300:27:32

Every day is an improvement, and here I am, like,

0:27:320:27:35

suffering this horrible flu,

0:27:350:27:37

and even that's a blessing, really.

0:27:370:27:39

Why?

0:27:390:27:40

I'd much prefer this than not be alive.

0:27:400:27:44

It's the one greatest thing that's free.

0:27:440:27:47

Make it last.

0:27:490:27:50

Well, well done. And well done for keeping it up for 40 years.

0:27:510:27:56

-40 years, yeah.

-Yeah.

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My God, you think I'd have learned something by now.

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# All people feel

0:28:060:28:08

# All people have vision

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# No matter your colour

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# You are family to me

0:28:220:28:24

# Now, put this all together

0:28:260:28:28

# This is community

0:28:300:28:33

# Even the other side of the planet

0:28:350:28:37

# The other side of me

0:28:400:28:42

# I'm here for you!

0:28:440:28:46

# I am here for me... #

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