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This programme contains very strong language

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Hmm, that looks familiar.

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So does that.

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I've definitely seen that before.

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And that.

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It's all coming back - every controversial,

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irritating and contentious moment of it.

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It's all coming back.

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The Turner Prize.

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The bloody Turner Prize.

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Every year, the great and the good of the art world

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get together and award a gong to the best display of British art

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of the preceding 12 months.

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And every year they find something that annoys us.

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Something about which the whole nation can howl.

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Because say what you want about the Turner Prize -

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and believe me, I have done -

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you have to admit, it's had a hell of an impact.

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In the 30 years it's been with us, the Turner has delighted

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and infuriated us punters in equal measure.

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It's turned unknowns into pillars of the establishment

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and even generated its own cranky opposition movement.

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I'm still a little unclear about what you got out of it, then, Jake?

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I didn't get anything out of it.

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It gives you a bit of confidence.

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You're basically recognised by the museums or curators

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rather than the market.

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Britain has turned from an nation that roundly ignored modern art

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into one that roundly can't get enough of it.

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And much of the credit for that - or is it the blame? -

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is due to the Turner.

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How did it happen?

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What went on?

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You're about to find out.

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Because this is the story of the Turner Prize.

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As we all know, the prize was named after Turner,

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Britain's greatest landscape painter,

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and every year, one thing that's guaranteed

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is that someone somewhere will write that Turner

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must be turning in his grave at the sight of the Turner Prize.

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I've written it myself, several times.

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So I wonder if it might have been more appropriate

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to have named it after another of the giants of British art,

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that cheeky, outrageous,

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sneering naysayer, Hogarth -

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whose contribution prepared the ground so well

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for all the enfants terribles that followed.

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As an homage to Hogarth

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and the long shadow he's cast over the Turner Prize,

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I'm dividing this film into four chapters in the style of

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Hogarth's great lament upon the descent of man,

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A Rake's Progress.

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This is The Prize's Progress,

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and to begin at the beginning, here's part one,

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in which the prize is born, before being born again.

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# Jitterbug

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# Jitterbug... #

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1984 saw the first Turner Prize,

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with a shortlist featuring Gilbert & George,

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Howard Hodgkin

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and Richard Long.

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At the time, starting the Turner was in itself an outrageous thing to do.

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These were still the austere, early days of the Thatcher era,

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and art was way down the list of national priorities.

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Britain was a nation of hardened modern art haters,

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still fuming at the Tate Gallery's acquisition

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of Carl Andre's Equivalent VIII,

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or, as they were called at the time,

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those damn Tate bricks.

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Britain needed a hero,

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and a hero duly stepped up -

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the then director of the Tate, Sir Alan Bowness.

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Sir Alan, when you started the Turner Prize,

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what were your thoughts, what were your hopes for this award?

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Well, I think primarily I was always very keen on modern art,

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particularly contemporary art.

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I just wanted to share that enthusiasm with other people.

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And I thought the idea of a prize

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appeals to a certain gambling instinct

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which I think is strong in the British people.

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The winner of the 1984 Turner Prize is Malcolm Morley.

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That was a bit of a blow, in a way,

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when the first prize went to a rather obscure name, Malcolm Morley.

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A good painter, British-born,

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but he'd been living in New York for many years.

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I then thought, well, maybe the very fact it's controversial

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is actually a very good thing.

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So what you're telling me is that, right from the beginning,

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this idea of a potential controversy was something

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-that was welcomed in the Turner Prize?

-Yes.

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Perhaps I shouldn't say that too publicly.

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You've just said it.

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Has it exceeded your expectations, or does it dismay you?

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I'm not sure that I'm entirely happy with the way art has developed

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in the last 40 years.

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And a lot of conceptual art doesn't really excite me.

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All the young people in the art schools want to do

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conceptual art or performances or film or video.

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Anything but paint a picture or make a sculpture.

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MUSIC: Ghost Town by The Specials

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As the decade rumbled on

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and all the artists on that first shortlist went on to win the prize,

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questions began to be asked about its purpose and its merit.

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It is intriguing that there were,

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I think, five artists shortlisted,

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from four in 1984,

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and they all won the prize in the following years.

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So, I think early on it was just ticking off

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all the people who they felt should have had it in the first few years.

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So it didn't get momentum.

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Was this just a distinguished service medal?

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Something you got for being around long enough?

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A fish,

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thrown to a sea lion.

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# This town

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# Is coming like a ghost town... #

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There was also the tricky question of money.

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How to pay for the prize.

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Thatcher's government wasn't going to help.

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They were taking money away from the arts, not adding to it.

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So the cash needed to come from private sources.

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Initially, from a group of wealthy art lovers

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called the Patrons of New Art.

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But then, at the end of the decade,

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an American investment bank called Drexel Burnham Lambert

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took over the sponsorship.

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And that was a disaster.

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Tonight, the collapse of Drexel Burnham Lambert, America's top...

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When the sponsorship fell out of the window in 1990,

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the Turner was immediately cancelled for that year,

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and its future was uncertain.

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So this is where we come to the next stage of the

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Turner Prize's scandalous progress,

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in which I, Waldemar, write a letter.

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You may not believe this, but in 1989 they made me head of arts

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at an upstart, young broadcaster called Channel 4.

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And when the Turner failed to materialise in that winter of 1990,

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I was surprised to find that I missed it.

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So I wrote to the newly appointed Tate director, Nicholas Serota...

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'Dear Nick...'

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..with an offer he couldn't refuse -

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to relaunch the Turner Prize with Channel 4's help.

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'Yours sincerely, Waldemar.'

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When Channel 4 took over the sponsorship,

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a number of things were changed.

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The prize money was increased to a mighty £20,000,

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and the shortlist was limited to four artists.

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The exhibition, which had been a rather piddly affair in the past,

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or not there at all,

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was expanded into an ambitious event,

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with each artist getting their own room.

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And to fit in with the ethos of Channel 4,

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we introduced an age limit of 50.

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Old enough to have achieved something,

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young enough for it to matter.

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I think that the concentration on it being on hot young things

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is perhaps what it should be,

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but I do think they miss out on some of the more interesting artists.

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There are some artists who are in their 60s or 70s

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who are up-and-coming artists,

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because maybe they started late,

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or just their work didn't develop until fairly later on in life.

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Phyllida Barlow is a good example,

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or Rose Wylie, 70s and 80s,

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who took time out to have kids, you know...

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Their careers took off in later life.

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But in 1991, a brave, new mood entered the Turner.

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The shortlist included a group of young Turks in their 20s,

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barely out of college.

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But the alpha male of the pack

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was the exciting sculptor Anish Kapoor,

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whose pigment masterpieces

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were so joyful to look at.

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Doesn't the idea of a prize,

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of being given something for your work like that,

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doesn't that unsettle you in any way?

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Yeah, terribly.

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When I received it, my first reaction was,

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"Ugh, it has nothing to do with me, I don't want to be part of this."

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And I think it is a natural thing for an artist to feel.

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You know, we plough our little field or big field or whatever it is,

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but we're not in competition with each other.

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Afterwards, what did you make of the growth of the Turner?

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The Turner, I think, for the next ten years or so,

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felt very relevant.

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It really had its hand on something

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that mattered culturally, yeah.

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And now, hmm, who knows? Who knows?

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So what you're saying is, those were the great years?

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Oh, yes, my dear Waldemar, of course they were.

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MUSIC: Parklife by Blur

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With his historic win,

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Anish opened the door to a new generation that was coming of age.

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The first of the group - known later as the YBAs -

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and, coincidentally, the first woman to win the prize in 1993,

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was Rachel Whiteread,

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whose remarkable outdoor sculpture...

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..House, had gripped the nation.

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My personal opinion is it is a monstrosity, absolutely grotesque.

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It might fit well into Welwyn Garden City or somewhere like that,

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but it doesn't fit well into our environment.

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-Yeah.

-It was about here, wasn't it?

-Yeah, it was around about here,

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the lamppost was actually centre to the piece,

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maybe a little bit over to the right, but, yeah, it was here.

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You were the beginnings of the YBAs, weren't you?

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Yeah, exactly, the YBAs, yeah.

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We were the first few fresh-faced YBAs

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to be put out for slaughter, yeah.

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So, Rachel, let's talk about the Turner Prize.

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You were actually nominated twice for it -

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the first time in 1991, when you didn't win.

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In 1993, when you did win it, it was really intense,

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the pressure, wasn't it, in that year?

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It was, because I was also nominated for something called

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the K Foundation Award, which was for the worst artist.

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-Which you also won.

-Which I also won, yes.

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It was £40,000, it was twice as much as the Turner Prize.

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-NEWSREADER:

-The £40,000 prize money was nailed to a picture frame,

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which was then transported back to London

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and chained to the Tate Gallery.

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They were going to burn the money and it would be my fault.

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This is Rachel's award, can we hear it for Rachel?

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APPLAUSE

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You know, I just said,

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"Well, OK, give me the money and I'll give it away,"

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which is what I did.

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So the actual day that you won also was the time when

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the announcement was finally made that House

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was going to be knocked down.

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If the purpose of modern art is to provoke us to think twice

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about the world we live in,

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then Rachel Whiteread's House has been a triumphant success.

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In the past three months, up to 100,000 people have visited this

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now-vanished monument to London's housing.

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There was a lot of pressure, a lot of stress,

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and actually, really made me quite ill, I'd say.

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It's a lot to deal with.

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For me, 1993 was the year when the Turner Prize really changed.

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It was the year in which it went from

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the back pages of the newspapers to the front page.

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-Because of House, because of its notoriety.

-Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, I would say it was very divided,

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which is great, a good argument is a great thing.

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It questioned a lot about what art is.

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This was nearly 25 years ago,

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and, you know, there's a big difference to the arts scene now

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and how popular art has become.

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House changed everything.

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Suddenly the Turner Prize was on everyone's lips,

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and the shock tactics of the YBAs

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soon became synonymous with it.

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Nobody epitomised this new ethos more clearly,

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or more noisily, than Damien Hirst with his pickled beasties.

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-NEWSREADER:

-Infamous for his trademark

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pickled animals in formaldehyde,

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Damien Hirst disappointed no-one with his spliced cow and calf.

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This era of scandal and outrage

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heralds a new Hogarthian chapter in our story...

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..in which Waldemar is upstaged by a rascal.

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MUSIC: No Surprises by Radiohead

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In 1997, I put on my best yellow bow tie

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and went live on the telly to debate the question,

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is painting dead?, with a bunch of art world worthies.

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Unfortunately, it wasn't the serious discussion we had that night

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that'll be remembered.

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The night I was nominated for the Turner Prize,

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and at the dinner, there was a TV debate going on.

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I think Tim Marlow was chairing it and Tracey had left the dinner,

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Tracey Emin, and gone to be part of the panel,

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and was very drunk because there was a lot of drinks flowing that night.

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I'm the artist here from that show.

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From the sensation. I'm here, I'm drunk.

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I had a good night out with my friends and I'm leaving now.

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Tracey stole the show.

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Going nowhere with this fucking mic on me.

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But she wasn't even on that year's shortlist.

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A few hours earlier, the 1997 Turner Prize had been won

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by the acclaimed video artist Gillian Wearing,

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well-known for her arresting work.

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I wanted to make a still, moving image.

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Something that looked like a photograph,

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but, actually, is a film.

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And then, obviously, with Police Uniform,

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it's all about power and control.

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In the first couple of minutes, it really is a very static image.

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And then, obviously, people's individual personalities

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start to come through,

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and so it's actually a very, very mobile film by the end.

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One man actually screams and throws his helmet in the air.

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He said his wife said it was only going to be a couple of minutes,

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but he kind of did stand there for a whole hour.

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OK. So, this fantastic piece goes out and then, hey,

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you get to actually win the prize.

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Tell us about that. Obviously, it was a surprise?

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Yeah, it was a surprise.

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So when they mentioned my name, I remember, yeah,

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it was kind of quite surreal.

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I hadn't prepared a speech, I can't remember what I said.

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David Hockney said I shouldn't have won it because it was a video work.

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I'm not sure he'd say that now,

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because I actually saw a piece of his in LA recently.

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-That was a video work.

-He makes videos himself now, yes.

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Two years after Gillian Wearing won the Turner,

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Tracey Emin herself was nominated for an infamous work called My Bed.

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And the by-now customary tabloid outrage went into overdrive

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while visitor numbers went through the roof.

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As controversy followed controversy,

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the 2001 Turner was won by Martin Creed,

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whose blank installation The Lights Going On And Off

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gets my vote for the worst of all Turner Prize winners.

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I can't explain it.

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Except to say that the lights are definitely going on and off.

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Even more outrageous was that year's announcement ceremony...

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I'd like to thank you all for coming to my house.

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I hope you like my art collection.

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..where Madonna, presenting the prize,

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insisted on swearing before the watershed.

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I would also like to say, right on, motherfuckers.

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The Turner, it seemed, had gone too far again.

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So every year, regular as clockwork,

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the prize was now expected to serve up some juicy controversies.

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It had become a circus act,

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and the tabloids loved it,

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but somehow, despite all these distractions,

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it managed also to serve art properly

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and to reward some worthwhile talents.

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Jeremy Deller,

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Cornelia Parker,

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Wolfgang Tillmans -

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they all had cause to thank the Turner Prize.

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And so, too, did that lot over there.

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The so-called Stuckists.

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If you've heard of them at all, it's because of the Turner Prize.

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Every year, they turn up and protest about it.

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Why?

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Because they're stuck, stuck, stuck.

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That's why.

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Charles, good to see you again.

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Don't you feel particularly pointless by now?

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No, because we get a lot of publicity.

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-Is that all you're here for?

-Erm, no. We're here to make a point.

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We're here to represent a lot of artists

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who are completely unrepresented in the Turner Prize.

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But you started making this point what, 15, 20 years ago?

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-How long ago was it now?

-The first demonstration was in 2000.

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So, you're here more often than most of the Turner Prize winners?

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Yeah. I think we should actually be the Turner Prize winners.

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In fact, I'm looking forward to the demonstration

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being nominated inside, and then we can demonstrate outside

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against us being inside.

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-I want an honest answer here, right? Honest answer.

-OK...

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Actually, Charles, you love the Turner Prize, don't you?

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Well, if it ended, we wouldn't be here talking to you,

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so it fulfils a very useful function.

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TV exclusive - the Stuckists love the Turner Prize.

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The first thing about them is they're very bad painters.

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And they go on about how great painting is and all that stuff,

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but actually, technically, not many of them are that good.

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And I'm sure most conceptual artists can paint just as well as or better

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than a lot of those Stuckists, weirdly.

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They're kind of the Ukip of art, aren't they, really?

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The Stuckists were yesterday's story.

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Most people in Britain today know a lot more about modern art

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than they used to.

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And all this talk about going back

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to proper painting and sculpture is old hat.

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These days, art's extraordinary power to change things

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is recognised as a valuable national resource.

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Which brings us to our final Hogarthian chapter,

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where the Turner Prize goes north,

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and west, and all over the place.

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MUSIC: There There by Radiohead

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While, for some, the 1990s were the heyday of the Turner,

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I have a particularly soft spot for 2003,

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when two of my favourite British artists squared up to each other

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in a battle of the titans.

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In the red corner was the ceramic cross-dresser Grayson Perry.

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And in the blue corner

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were those naughty Brothers Grimm, the Chapmans.

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The year that Jake and Dinos and Grayson Perry were nominated,

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that was a pretty exciting year,

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and I think it was a big shock that Grayson won.

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That's when he really came out with Claire, his alter ego.

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Grayson's acceptance speech tickled viewers at home

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who hadn't seen Claire before.

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It's about time a transvestite potter won the Turner Prize.

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And he's become a national treasure since.

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It's a very difficult one to judge, that year, I think.

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I think the Chapmans probably didn't play their strongest hand,

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and there was a kind of quite puerile joke in it,

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which probably didn't go down very well with anyone.

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I met up with Jake Chapman and asked him what happened.

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So, Jake, obviously, it put you face-to-face with Grayson Perry.

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Everybody was always saying, one of these two's going to win.

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You know, I did tell Nick Serota on the night

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that he wasn't actually a little girl.

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Grayson Perry wasn't actually... I think they were

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under the impression he was actually a little girl and maybe they had

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given him - her - the prize because they felt sorry for her.

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-Didn't want him to cry?

-Yeah, exactly.

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I'm still a little unclear about what you got out of it,

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-then, Jake, because...

-I didn't get anything out of it.

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-So why did you do it?

-Because it was another exhibition.

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I mean, I think it's, you know...

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I'd like to say it was an act of charity on our part,

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but it was some... You know, it was just another exhibition.

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I think, as artists,

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our interest is in making art and showing it,

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and having it operate in the world,

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and I don't think we're that fastidious about where we show it.

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In a sense, it was another place to just kind of off-load

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a load of stuff that might cause some kind of minor irritation,

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and then, you know, a glass of wine and then home.

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The most significant development

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in the Turner's story in the past decade

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has been the biennial departure from London.

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Since 2008, Liverpool, Londonderry and Gateshead have all hosted it.

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Taking it out of London has been a very exciting move.

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The response in Gateshead, the response in Glasgow,

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the response in Derry/Londonderry,

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and now Hull, has been really strong.

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The show in Derry in 2013 was a tremendously moving event.

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For once, the shortlist was excellent.

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And the same barracks in which the British Army had been encamped

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for all those dark years of the Troubles

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were now the site of the Turner Prize.

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Who says art cannot change things?

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Last year, the prize went to Glasgow,

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and amidst the usual grumbling,

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much of it from me, it was given to a bunch called Assemble,

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an architectural collective who'd regenerated a bit of Toxteth.

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And who'd never thought of themselves as artists.

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It gives us a few stars in Toxteth, where there has...

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You know, if you say Toxteth to people,

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the next word becomes "riots".

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Whereas now, it becomes...

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..resplendence.

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When it came to crossing boundaries,

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the Turner had lost none of its pioneering waywardness.

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This call comes out of the middle of nowhere that you've been nominated.

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I mean, it was a huge surprise for us.

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So, through that, we were able to launch Granby Workshop.

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It's a social enterprise based in this neighbourhood

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which makes and sells products.

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They're products which were originally designed

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for the houses here, but then, through the Turner Prize,

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we're able to open them up to kind of a global audience.

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It makes people more interested in

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the critical conversation around the work.

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It's given a credibility to people working in these quite divergent,

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quite diverse scenarios.

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It's amazing now that, kind of one year on, out of kind of,

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out of nothing, then we're building, hopefully,

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a really sustainable project in the area, which will continue to bring

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employment into this neighbourhood.

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And that's kind of, you know, an amazing achievement, I think.

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They may have trained as architects, but they were making art.

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I think the Turner Prize is always rejuvenated

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by expanding into new areas.

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It's quite interesting, really, to have it broader in terms of how...

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who can win.

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In its 30 years and counting,

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the Turner Prize has come a long, long way.

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When it started, no-one liked modern art.

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These days, we can't get enough of it.

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And having hated the last two shows

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and called, as always, for its scrapping,

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I find myself enjoying this year's Turner rather a lot.

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It's commendably tangible, commendably Hogarthian.

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No dreary film and video, no architectural collectives,

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no pointless lights going on and off,

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just stuff you can look at and feel.

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Anthea Hamilton's giant arse is quintessential Turner fodder.

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Hogarth would have loved it.

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Helen Martin's funny scatter art makes you peer and probe.

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Josephine Pryde and her little choo-choo train

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connects with the child within.

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And Michael Dean's grim-up-North word sculptures

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are sad and accusatory.

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It's a good mix in a good show.

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So, as sure as eggs is eggs,

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next year is bound to be awful.

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Turner Prize, I salute you.

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And thanks for the memories.

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