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Welcome to the world's largest arts festival, bigger this year than ever before. | 1:30:11 | 1:30:15 | |
Coming up - shows from South Africa that dazzle and disturb. | 1:30:16 | 1:30:20 | |
Arthur Smith on the venue that launched many of today's top comics. | 1:30:21 | 1:30:25 | |
Art meets arcade games, and a war of words over independence. | 1:30:25 | 1:30:30 | |
All that and some surprise travellers on the city's new trams. | 1:30:30 | 1:30:34 | |
The Edinburgh International Festival kicked off this weekend with | 1:30:37 | 1:30:40 | |
an ambitious new trilogy of history plays, all about the turbulent | 1:30:40 | 1:30:44 | |
times of three Scottish kings and the women in their lives. | 1:30:44 | 1:30:48 | |
These thrilling stories of violence | 1:30:48 | 1:30:50 | |
and political intrigue have been given an added frisson | 1:30:50 | 1:30:53 | |
by a casting coup - Sofie Grabol, the star of The Killing, | 1:30:53 | 1:30:57 | |
plays Margaret of Denmark. | 1:30:57 | 1:30:59 | |
I caught up with the company just before the premiere. | 1:30:59 | 1:31:01 | |
The way people engage with history when it is brought to them | 1:31:08 | 1:31:10 | |
in an accessible way reinforces my idea that | 1:31:10 | 1:31:14 | |
people are hungry to understand their own history. | 1:31:14 | 1:31:17 | |
One of the things that both me | 1:31:19 | 1:31:21 | |
and Rona have wanted to do is strip away received ideas | 1:31:21 | 1:31:23 | |
of what a history play is like and how kings should be. | 1:31:23 | 1:31:27 | |
The way Rona writes, it's so... It speaks to you. | 1:31:32 | 1:31:37 | |
-We may have to sell something. -Why? -To pay for my choir. -No. | 1:31:37 | 1:31:44 | |
It's a real shame that these are forgotten kings. | 1:31:44 | 1:31:47 | |
The idea that we all become invisible in history is both | 1:31:47 | 1:31:51 | |
terrifying and moving and I think there is something | 1:31:51 | 1:31:53 | |
about engaging with the people that have walked where you walked, | 1:31:53 | 1:31:57 | |
not that long ago, that gives you a sense of how | 1:31:57 | 1:32:00 | |
you are rooted in the world. | 1:32:00 | 1:32:01 | |
Each set in the 15th century, these epic ensemble pieces | 1:32:04 | 1:32:08 | |
bring to life three generations of Stuart royalty. | 1:32:08 | 1:32:10 | |
It's so interesting that two of the most famous female | 1:32:11 | 1:32:15 | |
detectives in Britain are moving centuries to perform together. | 1:32:15 | 1:32:21 | |
What does it feel like? I mean, how did you approach this? | 1:32:21 | 1:32:24 | |
I approached it because it was in rep. I quite like... | 1:32:24 | 1:32:27 | |
I've never worked in rep before and I like the idea of having | 1:32:27 | 1:32:30 | |
that challenge. | 1:32:30 | 1:32:32 | |
Even before reading it - I think Sofie feels the same - | 1:32:32 | 1:32:34 | |
even before reading the piece, | 1:32:34 | 1:32:36 | |
I knew that Rona would come up with the goods | 1:32:36 | 1:32:38 | |
because she is a historian. | 1:32:38 | 1:32:40 | |
And it's a period of history that not a lot of people know about | 1:32:40 | 1:32:43 | |
so she has capitalised on that. | 1:32:43 | 1:32:44 | |
If it's not been written down as fact, she has embellished it. | 1:32:44 | 1:32:47 | |
Sofie, did you know anything about the Danish connection with Scotland? | 1:32:47 | 1:32:53 | |
No, I had honestly never heard of Queen Margaret of Denmark | 1:32:53 | 1:32:57 | |
and what makes me feel a little bit better about that | 1:32:57 | 1:33:00 | |
is that every Dane I asked, | 1:33:00 | 1:33:02 | |
nobody had heard of her except really nerdy historically interested people. | 1:33:02 | 1:33:08 | |
I don't think there is a lot of common knowledge about that, | 1:33:08 | 1:33:13 | |
-that Queen or that period. -Or history at all. -No. | 1:33:13 | 1:33:17 | |
-I asked to see the Treasury papers. -Why? | 1:33:17 | 1:33:20 | |
Because someone has to start helping you. Have you looked at these? | 1:33:20 | 1:33:23 | |
-God, no. -There is no money, James. -A choir, Margaret. A few singers. | 1:33:23 | 1:33:27 | |
-How many? -A small choir. -How many? -Only 40 or so. -No. | 1:33:27 | 1:33:32 | |
Tell me about your relationship, then, with James. | 1:33:32 | 1:33:36 | |
James III. | 1:33:36 | 1:33:38 | |
Well, that was actually one of the things that really drew me | 1:33:38 | 1:33:41 | |
to the project. | 1:33:41 | 1:33:42 | |
I read the play and those two characters, | 1:33:42 | 1:33:46 | |
their relationship just jumped off the page. I just... | 1:33:46 | 1:33:52 | |
-I worry for you, that's all. I worry. -Don't do that. | 1:33:52 | 1:33:57 | |
Never do that. | 1:33:59 | 1:34:00 | |
He is... He's not a good king, is he? | 1:34:01 | 1:34:05 | |
-She is a much more, really, qualified to rule... -And capable. | 1:34:06 | 1:34:10 | |
And capable. Absolutely. | 1:34:10 | 1:34:12 | |
NTS artistic director Laurie Sansom | 1:34:12 | 1:34:15 | |
has taken on the responsibility | 1:34:15 | 1:34:17 | |
of staging all three of these ambitious works. | 1:34:17 | 1:34:20 | |
The Jameses were already commissioned by the time you arrived | 1:34:21 | 1:34:25 | |
so how did you kind of pick up and run with it? | 1:34:25 | 1:34:29 | |
Well, I think | 1:34:29 | 1:34:31 | |
I'm probably one of the luckiest incoming artistic directors | 1:34:31 | 1:34:34 | |
ever to have these three scripts on my desk when I first arrived. | 1:34:34 | 1:34:37 | |
First drafts. As soon as I read them, I kind of had... | 1:34:37 | 1:34:41 | |
There was an energy about the writing, an excitement, | 1:34:41 | 1:34:43 | |
an urgency, really, about it that made me go, | 1:34:43 | 1:34:46 | |
"OK, if we can get all three of these on in 2014 with one | 1:34:46 | 1:34:51 | |
"company of actors, I think that's where I should start." | 1:34:51 | 1:34:56 | |
One of the things that I responded to in Rona's writing was that | 1:34:56 | 1:35:00 | |
each one had its own style and atmosphere. | 1:35:00 | 1:35:02 | |
The first has a structure that is probably the most | 1:35:03 | 1:35:06 | |
conventional of a history play. | 1:35:06 | 1:35:09 | |
-Sorry. Are you still... -What? | 1:35:09 | 1:35:12 | |
I don't want to disturb your prayers | 1:35:12 | 1:35:15 | |
No, I'm finished. I was waiting on you. | 1:35:15 | 1:35:18 | |
Good, no. I'm finished. | 1:35:18 | 1:35:19 | |
So... | 1:35:21 | 1:35:22 | |
-Now we're married. -Yes. | 1:35:23 | 1:35:26 | |
We will have the wedding blessed again in Scotland | 1:35:26 | 1:35:29 | |
-and then we can have our wedding night. -Yes. | 1:35:29 | 1:35:32 | |
Whereas the second one, | 1:35:32 | 1:35:34 | |
suddenly you are plunged into the middle of a child's nightmare | 1:35:34 | 1:35:36 | |
because he was six, James II, when he came to the throne. | 1:35:36 | 1:35:39 | |
-I have dark blood, like snakes under my skin. -No, you don't. | 1:35:39 | 1:35:44 | |
It'll come out. I'll kill people. | 1:35:44 | 1:35:48 | |
Well, you might, but not with snakes. | 1:35:48 | 1:35:52 | |
When we are grown, we can learn killing and I am nearly grown. | 1:35:52 | 1:35:55 | |
And then the third one, with Queen Margaret, played by Sofie Grabol. | 1:35:55 | 1:35:59 | |
And Jamie Sives, it's a kind of a sparkling, dark, | 1:35:59 | 1:36:03 | |
bittersweet relationship comedy, actually. | 1:36:03 | 1:36:05 | |
Are you telling me, are you presuming to tell me | 1:36:05 | 1:36:08 | |
that I can't afford music? Scotland can't afford music? | 1:36:08 | 1:36:10 | |
-James, you can't afford to annoy people like this. -People? | 1:36:10 | 1:36:14 | |
-The entire nation! -They are my subjects. | 1:36:14 | 1:36:16 | |
It doesn't matter how much I annoy them, does it? | 1:36:16 | 1:36:18 | |
What are they going to do? Stop me being king? | 1:36:18 | 1:36:20 | |
Well, I imagine it's being discussed. | 1:36:20 | 1:36:23 | |
So many people are making comparisons between these plays | 1:36:24 | 1:36:28 | |
and Shakespeare's history cycle, | 1:36:28 | 1:36:30 | |
which of course is just like putting a gun to your head as a writer | 1:36:30 | 1:36:34 | |
because how could you live up to that? | 1:36:34 | 1:36:36 | |
However, I did think, wouldn't it be nice | 1:36:36 | 1:36:39 | |
if there was something like the "sceptred isle" speech | 1:36:39 | 1:36:41 | |
so that was my attempt to give James I an equivalent. | 1:36:41 | 1:36:45 | |
The last sight I had of Scotland was no sight at all. | 1:36:46 | 1:36:50 | |
It was a wet wind. | 1:36:50 | 1:36:52 | |
It was driving waves and rain in my face so I couldnae see. | 1:36:52 | 1:36:54 | |
I was ten years old. | 1:36:54 | 1:36:56 | |
I was greeting more salt water than there was in the sea that was soaking me to the bone. | 1:36:56 | 1:37:00 | |
I felt that the sky and the sea and the wind of Scotland were | 1:37:00 | 1:37:03 | |
scolding me, were shouting their anger at me. | 1:37:03 | 1:37:05 | |
How could I leave my own country? How could I run away? | 1:37:05 | 1:37:09 | |
That was the speech that I had to audition with. | 1:37:09 | 1:37:12 | |
And it was the thing that made me want to do it more than anything. | 1:37:12 | 1:37:17 | |
It's so well written and it really... | 1:37:17 | 1:37:21 | |
captures exactly how I feel about Scotland | 1:37:21 | 1:37:26 | |
and I imagine how Scottish people feel about Scotland as well. | 1:37:26 | 1:37:30 | |
18 years later, I come up to the border. | 1:37:30 | 1:37:34 | |
I saw the green hills, I saw the dark rock and towering skies | 1:37:34 | 1:37:39 | |
and far-off mountains of foam and I drew breath, | 1:37:39 | 1:37:42 | |
ready to shout a greeting back into that dear country and... | 1:37:42 | 1:37:47 | |
Bam... | 1:37:47 | 1:37:48 | |
There it was again, a stour of a wet wind knocking me back south | 1:37:48 | 1:37:53 | |
and roaring its disdain in my face. And I'll tell you this. | 1:37:53 | 1:37:57 | |
I love that gale. | 1:37:57 | 1:37:58 | |
So you knew you were going to do a trilogy - James I, James II, | 1:37:58 | 1:38:02 | |
-James III? -Yes. | 1:38:02 | 1:38:04 | |
Did you know that it was going to be staged | 1:38:04 | 1:38:07 | |
bang in the middle of the referendum? | 1:38:07 | 1:38:10 | |
No, because obviously when I very first pitched it, even though | 1:38:10 | 1:38:14 | |
the possibility had started to be debated, | 1:38:14 | 1:38:16 | |
we didn't know there was going to be a referendum this year. | 1:38:16 | 1:38:19 | |
But then, quite early on in the writing process, | 1:38:19 | 1:38:22 | |
that did become clear and then, all I thought was I really hope | 1:38:22 | 1:38:26 | |
they go on this year because that will give them such an energy. | 1:38:26 | 1:38:29 | |
And, of course, now we know that the James trilogy will play | 1:38:29 | 1:38:34 | |
at the National Theatre in London slap bang in the middle of the vote. | 1:38:34 | 1:38:39 | |
-Do you feel quite moved by that? -It's... | 1:38:39 | 1:38:42 | |
We're all just wondering what that is going to feel like. | 1:38:42 | 1:38:47 | |
And we're all aware, I think, that the way the plays feel | 1:38:47 | 1:38:51 | |
before the vote and after the vote will probably be quite different. | 1:38:51 | 1:38:54 | |
See if that wind had a human face... | 1:38:56 | 1:38:58 | |
..it would be glowering at me like you are. | 1:39:00 | 1:39:03 | |
You are like a cold gale roaring in my eyes and shouting | 1:39:03 | 1:39:06 | |
in my face, "Who do you think you are, laddie?" Well, I'll tell you. | 1:39:06 | 1:39:10 | |
I'm your bloody king. | 1:39:10 | 1:39:11 | |
I'm the King of Scots. | 1:39:11 | 1:39:14 | |
The James plays transfer to the National Theatre | 1:39:15 | 1:39:18 | |
in London next month. | 1:39:18 | 1:39:19 | |
And you can see more online at bbc.co.uk/edinburghfestivals | 1:39:19 | 1:39:25 | |
There is a new addition to the Edinburgh cityscape this year. | 1:39:25 | 1:39:28 | |
After years of delay, worry and expense, the shiny new trams made | 1:39:28 | 1:39:33 | |
their debut on the streets between the airport and the city centre. | 1:39:33 | 1:39:37 | |
So we decided to give some unsuspecting passengers | 1:39:37 | 1:39:40 | |
some special festival performances. | 1:39:40 | 1:39:42 | |
Let's take a trip now in the company of former roofer, | 1:39:42 | 1:39:45 | |
now full-time writer, the poet William Letford. | 1:39:45 | 1:39:49 | |
There's hundreds of birds on the roofs. | 1:39:52 | 1:39:54 | |
Here, how, choof, whoof! | 1:39:54 | 1:39:56 | |
We won't let that pigeon preach the lovey-dovey, | 1:39:56 | 1:39:58 | |
ruffle your feathers, show me your plume! | 1:39:58 | 1:40:01 | |
Look at that, Frank. Not to look, not to not, plod on, then. | 1:40:01 | 1:40:04 | |
Whoot, whoot! Look at that! That's not even a crow, that's a dinosaur! | 1:40:04 | 1:40:10 | |
There will be teeth in that beak, that's for sure. | 1:40:10 | 1:40:12 | |
Ooh, beady eye, beady eye, get behind the gable, she's fairly social. | 1:40:12 | 1:40:16 | |
What a life, Frank, what a life. | 1:40:16 | 1:40:18 | |
Feeding on scraps, hunting for crumbs. But listen to this. | 1:40:18 | 1:40:21 | |
Listen to this. We're no dodos. We can fly. Forget what it feels like. | 1:40:21 | 1:40:27 | |
Look at the sky. | 1:40:27 | 1:40:28 | |
William Letford, who is appearing | 1:40:32 | 1:40:34 | |
at the Edinburgh International Book Festival on Saturday. | 1:40:34 | 1:40:37 | |
Now, the sheer scale of the Edinburgh Festivals can be | 1:40:37 | 1:40:40 | |
rather daunting. | 1:40:40 | 1:40:41 | |
With thousands of shows on offer, how do you decide what to see, | 1:40:41 | 1:40:45 | |
and why do performers risk the ridicule of critics | 1:40:45 | 1:40:48 | |
and return year after year? | 1:40:48 | 1:40:50 | |
What are the essential dos and don'ts | 1:40:50 | 1:40:51 | |
if you're in the capital for the first time? | 1:40:51 | 1:40:54 | |
Stephen Smith's here now with his guide to surviving Edinburgh | 1:40:54 | 1:40:57 | |
when the circus comes to town. | 1:40:57 | 1:40:59 | |
UP-TEMPO JAZZ MUSIC | 1:40:59 | 1:41:00 | |
DOG HOWLS | 1:41:00 | 1:41:02 | |
Every year, a legion of weird | 1:41:04 | 1:41:06 | |
and wonderful performers descend on this city with one purpose | 1:41:06 | 1:41:10 | |
in mind, to persuade the likes of you and me to go and see their shows. | 1:41:10 | 1:41:14 | |
There are circus acts, dancers, comics, thespians, divas, | 1:41:17 | 1:41:22 | |
zombies and even ducks and dinosaurs on stage. | 1:41:22 | 1:41:26 | |
There are more jokes being told here per square mile than anywhere | 1:41:26 | 1:41:30 | |
else on the face of the earth. | 1:41:30 | 1:41:32 | |
Some of them are even funny. | 1:41:32 | 1:41:33 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:41:35 | 1:41:36 | |
But if you're a festival virgin, | 1:41:36 | 1:41:37 | |
what on Earth are you supposed to make of these florid flyers, | 1:41:37 | 1:41:41 | |
each of them promising nothing less than a four or five-star show? | 1:41:41 | 1:41:45 | |
How do you sift the diamonds from the dross? | 1:41:45 | 1:41:50 | |
I think I'm going to need some help. | 1:41:50 | 1:41:53 | |
HIS INNER VOICE: 'What?' | 1:41:53 | 1:41:55 | |
'Where am I?' | 1:41:55 | 1:41:58 | |
CELESTIAL VOCALISATION | 1:41:58 | 1:41:59 | |
'What is this place?' | 1:41:59 | 1:42:01 | |
-IN ECHOING VOICE: -I am the King of Edinburgh. | 1:42:01 | 1:42:03 | |
I am sending you on a sacred quest to discover the Holy Grail... | 1:42:03 | 1:42:07 | |
-VOICE RETURNS TO NORMAL: -Actually, just some shows and stuff in Edinburgh, | 1:42:07 | 1:42:11 | |
and if you do all right, you can find a cup for me. | 1:42:11 | 1:42:13 | |
Well, it's a wonder to meet you. | 1:42:13 | 1:42:15 | |
By the way, has anyone ever told you you bear a small | 1:42:15 | 1:42:18 | |
-resemblance to the comic Richard Herring? -No, he wishes. | 1:42:18 | 1:42:20 | |
He wishes he looked this good. He's much fatter than I am. | 1:42:20 | 1:42:23 | |
Well, the thing is, Rich... | 1:42:23 | 1:42:25 | |
Er, King, what I was hoping for was some kind of steer about this | 1:42:25 | 1:42:30 | |
amazing festival. There's just so much to go to. | 1:42:30 | 1:42:34 | |
How might a humble person find his way through it all? | 1:42:34 | 1:42:38 | |
Well, you should definitely go and see Richard Herring's shows, | 1:42:38 | 1:42:41 | |
-The Lord Of The Dance Settee. -Is that you? -No, just I'm a fan of his. | 1:42:41 | 1:42:44 | |
OK. The festival is so huge now. Is it too much? | 1:42:44 | 1:42:47 | |
Yeah, it is very big, and it's good in a lot of ways that there's | 1:42:47 | 1:42:51 | |
so much choice, and what's great about Edinburgh as a festival | 1:42:51 | 1:42:54 | |
is that anyone can come up. You don't have to pass committees. | 1:42:54 | 1:42:57 | |
You are taking a chance up here, | 1:42:57 | 1:42:59 | |
but to come to Edinburgh now to get discovered is foolish. | 1:42:59 | 1:43:01 | |
You've got to come to Edinburgh... | 1:43:01 | 1:43:03 | |
There's too many people here, so it might happen, but you're | 1:43:03 | 1:43:05 | |
coming to Edinburgh to get better at what you do. | 1:43:05 | 1:43:08 | |
-Well, thank you, my liege, if I can call you that. -No. -Oh. | 1:43:08 | 1:43:12 | |
Well, thank you, sire. | 1:43:12 | 1:43:14 | |
But how do I get going on this quest of which you have spoken? | 1:43:14 | 1:43:18 | |
Well, you're in totally the wrong place. | 1:43:18 | 1:43:20 | |
We're on a hill in the middle of nowhere. | 1:43:20 | 1:43:22 | |
You need to be right down there. Somewhere in there, that's the city. | 1:43:22 | 1:43:25 | |
So, I don't know what brought you up here. Stupid. | 1:43:25 | 1:43:28 | |
-Mystic forces, I believe, and a taxi. -OK. Well, get the taxi back. -OK. | 1:43:28 | 1:43:32 | |
CRAZED WHISPERING | 1:43:34 | 1:43:35 | |
This is very handy. | 1:43:35 | 1:43:36 | |
What the... ? | 1:43:38 | 1:43:39 | |
-BOTH CREATURES SPEAK AT SAME TIME: -Hello! -Hello. | 1:43:39 | 1:43:41 | |
-Who are you? -My name is Sergei and this is my brother Boris. -Hello. | 1:43:41 | 1:43:45 | |
We have been sent by the King to take you on the next | 1:43:45 | 1:43:47 | |
-stage of your mystical journey. -Ooh! -Is that right? Wow. | 1:43:47 | 1:43:51 | |
-This really is BBC Four. -Yes. -Oh, yeah, definitely is, yes. | 1:43:51 | 1:43:55 | |
-Where are we going to, boys? -Take it away, Boris. -Oh, thank you, Sergei. | 1:43:55 | 1:43:59 | |
We are going to see the wise old sage of the festival. | 1:43:59 | 1:44:01 | |
-He's very wise and very old. -Let's go. -OK, here we go! | 1:44:01 | 1:44:06 | |
The prospect of staging a show in Edinburgh is a daunting one. | 1:44:08 | 1:44:12 | |
But there's one man who's a real glutton for punishment, | 1:44:12 | 1:44:15 | |
coming back year after year. | 1:44:15 | 1:44:18 | |
I came up just after the war to the very first festival, when there were | 1:44:19 | 1:44:23 | |
a number of shows which had engaged companies from abroad just | 1:44:23 | 1:44:27 | |
after the war to come over, | 1:44:27 | 1:44:29 | |
and they had about two venues where they had things | 1:44:29 | 1:44:31 | |
called On The Fringe, and that fringe has now evolved | 1:44:31 | 1:44:37 | |
and developed, till now there are over 2,000 shows On The Fringe. | 1:44:37 | 1:44:42 | |
We counted more than 3,000. What do you think about that? | 1:44:42 | 1:44:45 | |
It's amazing, isn't it? To me, it is the tail that wags the dog. | 1:44:45 | 1:44:50 | |
Now, you're a notorious hell-raiser, like O'Toole, Richard Harris. | 1:44:50 | 1:44:54 | |
-How do you pace yourself? -Where did they find him? -It's just research. | 1:44:54 | 1:44:59 | |
How do you pace yourself thorough the month or whatever it ends up | 1:44:59 | 1:45:03 | |
being, because you can't burn the candle every which way, can you? | 1:45:03 | 1:45:07 | |
Well, I do have a little secret. | 1:45:07 | 1:45:09 | |
-I take a little drug. -Do you? -Yes. -This is a scoop. -It's called sleep. | 1:45:09 | 1:45:14 | |
Ah. A lot of younger comedians will be tuning in to glean tips. | 1:45:14 | 1:45:20 | |
What would you say to them? How do you make it in Edinburgh? | 1:45:20 | 1:45:24 | |
-You just keep working. -Right. | 1:45:24 | 1:45:25 | |
And if you can find Nicholas Parsons and say, | 1:45:25 | 1:45:28 | |
"Could I come on your show and talk about my...", | 1:45:28 | 1:45:31 | |
that's quite a good tip. | 1:45:31 | 1:45:33 | |
UP-TEMPO JAZZ MUSIC | 1:45:33 | 1:45:34 | |
But how do you increase your chances of having a hit? | 1:45:37 | 1:45:39 | |
After all, there are more than 3,000 shows on in Edinburgh, | 1:45:39 | 1:45:43 | |
and it's said you're never more than five metres away from a comedian | 1:45:43 | 1:45:47 | |
telling a joke about Scottish people not eating their veg. | 1:45:47 | 1:45:50 | |
Well, one answer might be to riff on an already established | 1:45:50 | 1:45:54 | |
and dearly loved franchise. | 1:45:54 | 1:45:56 | |
DRAMATIC PIANO | 1:45:56 | 1:45:57 | |
# No... # | 1:45:59 | 1:46:00 | |
There's a musical version of 50 Shades Of Grey. | 1:46:00 | 1:46:05 | |
# Da, da, da-duh-da... # | 1:46:05 | 1:46:07 | |
There's an all singing, all dancing Game Of Thrones. | 1:46:07 | 1:46:11 | |
# You are now, now rocking with | 1:46:11 | 1:46:13 | |
# Walter White and Jesse, bitch! Hit it! # | 1:46:13 | 1:46:16 | |
ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC | 1:46:16 | 1:46:17 | |
And a show that's condensed all the episodes of Breaking Bad | 1:46:17 | 1:46:21 | |
into an hour. | 1:46:21 | 1:46:22 | |
CHEERING | 1:46:22 | 1:46:24 | |
If you're a big enough name, you can | 1:46:24 | 1:46:26 | |
probably command a decent venue here, but lesser fry may have to | 1:46:26 | 1:46:30 | |
settle for something altogether more intimate, more moist. | 1:46:30 | 1:46:34 | |
Some venues are downright weird. I give you, for example, | 1:46:34 | 1:46:39 | |
a rickshaw... | 1:46:39 | 1:46:40 | |
A giant purple cow... | 1:46:44 | 1:46:46 | |
MOOING | 1:46:46 | 1:46:47 | |
In the sea... | 1:46:47 | 1:46:49 | |
There's even one artiste here who performs under a duvet. | 1:46:51 | 1:46:56 | |
In a good way. | 1:46:56 | 1:46:57 | |
But what do locals make of this circus? | 1:46:57 | 1:47:00 | |
-Where are you from? -Russia, Moscow. | 1:47:00 | 1:47:03 | |
Bristol. | 1:47:03 | 1:47:04 | |
Manchester. | 1:47:04 | 1:47:05 | |
I live in Paris but originally from California. | 1:47:05 | 1:47:08 | |
-And what brings you to Edinburgh? -The Fringe! | 1:47:08 | 1:47:11 | |
We've come from London. | 1:47:11 | 1:47:13 | |
We're from Fareham in Hampshire. | 1:47:13 | 1:47:14 | |
From Japan. | 1:47:14 | 1:47:16 | |
Can't find anybody from Edinburgh. | 1:47:16 | 1:47:19 | |
My liege, you'll be pleased to hear I'm back. | 1:47:22 | 1:47:24 | |
I've been round the festival, I saw some of its great lessons. | 1:47:24 | 1:47:29 | |
-Do you have any final words of advice for me? -Go and see some jugglers. | 1:47:29 | 1:47:33 | |
-ECHOING: -Jugglers... | 1:47:33 | 1:47:35 | |
-Thank you. -Nice to see you. | 1:47:36 | 1:47:38 | |
Stephen Smith there with the King of Edinburgh. | 1:47:39 | 1:47:43 | |
The Edinburgh Art Festival was established just ten years ago, | 1:47:43 | 1:47:46 | |
but now it takes place in more than 30 galleries, | 1:47:46 | 1:47:49 | |
museums and pop-up spaces. | 1:47:49 | 1:47:51 | |
Everything from Ming dynasty porcelain to pinball machines, | 1:47:51 | 1:47:55 | |
you can play the games but you can't touch the pots. | 1:47:55 | 1:47:58 | |
In a moment, one of the grand dame of contemporary art, we'll be | 1:47:58 | 1:48:01 | |
talking to Alastair Sooke, but first, here's his other top tips. | 1:48:01 | 1:48:05 | |
SCI-FI STYLE THERAMIN NOODLING | 1:48:05 | 1:48:07 | |
JANGLY TRIP HOP MUSIC | 1:48:13 | 1:48:14 | |
Surely art shows aren't meant to be like this. | 1:48:17 | 1:48:20 | |
You're not supposed to smile, you're not supposed to have fun, | 1:48:20 | 1:48:24 | |
you're definitely not supposed to touch the works. | 1:48:24 | 1:48:27 | |
But this is a whole different ball game. | 1:48:29 | 1:48:31 | |
At Summerhall, Brooklyn-based collective Fail have installed | 1:48:33 | 1:48:37 | |
their eye-popping, gleefully delinquent Deluxx Fluxx Arcade. | 1:48:37 | 1:48:42 | |
This doesn't remind me of my art history lectures, Patrick. | 1:48:42 | 1:48:46 | |
Well, that's true. | 1:48:46 | 1:48:49 | |
Right, 1-1. | 1:48:49 | 1:48:50 | |
Do you see it very much that this is a work of art? | 1:48:50 | 1:48:53 | |
Well, when I think about art as a kid, I think | 1:48:53 | 1:48:56 | |
a lot of the art that inspired us was, like, skateboard culture | 1:48:56 | 1:49:00 | |
and rock poster culture and commercial art. | 1:49:00 | 1:49:04 | |
-So a really pop culture sensibility. -Right. | 1:49:04 | 1:49:07 | |
It does strike me that it | 1:49:07 | 1:49:09 | |
feels almost nostalgic in here in the arcade. | 1:49:09 | 1:49:11 | |
It's really retro machinery. | 1:49:11 | 1:49:14 | |
It's been described as nostalgic and kitsch and all those things. | 1:49:14 | 1:49:19 | |
But it was the first art show that we'd ever done where people came in | 1:49:19 | 1:49:22 | |
and were, like, screaming and yelling and laughing | 1:49:22 | 1:49:25 | |
and kids were having as much fun as the adults | 1:49:25 | 1:49:27 | |
and it was just such a great experience that | 1:49:27 | 1:49:29 | |
we're, like, this is a really awesome way to present art and this | 1:49:29 | 1:49:33 | |
is the fourth time we've done it and just always have fun doing it. | 1:49:33 | 1:49:36 | |
-So, fun is the main point? -I think so, yeah. | 1:49:36 | 1:49:39 | |
If the streetwise sensibility of Deluxx Fluxx grabs you, | 1:49:45 | 1:49:48 | |
then another must-see show is at the Fruitmarket Gallery. | 1:49:48 | 1:49:52 | |
Jim Lambie is a bonafide international art star. | 1:49:54 | 1:49:57 | |
His candy-coloured, sight-specific installations | 1:50:00 | 1:50:03 | |
and ready-made scavenged objects have wowed the art world. | 1:50:03 | 1:50:06 | |
The great thing about a Jim Lambie exhibition is that you're not | 1:50:06 | 1:50:10 | |
just looking at work on a wall, | 1:50:10 | 1:50:11 | |
you actually get to walk across it as well. | 1:50:11 | 1:50:14 | |
His signature technique is to mark up the outlines of the room with | 1:50:18 | 1:50:21 | |
successive bands of vinyl tape. | 1:50:21 | 1:50:24 | |
The effect is a dazzling and disruptive centrifuge of colour | 1:50:25 | 1:50:30 | |
that transforms the typical white cube of a gallery. | 1:50:30 | 1:50:33 | |
The thing I like about Lambie's work is its ingenious | 1:50:33 | 1:50:36 | |
and enterprising, almost DIY aesthetic. Take this piece. | 1:50:36 | 1:50:41 | |
It's called Shaved Ice. A forest of ladders. | 1:50:41 | 1:50:43 | |
He's not using anything particularly special, | 1:50:43 | 1:50:45 | |
these are just ordinary everyday materials, wooden ladders, | 1:50:45 | 1:50:49 | |
glossy household paint, a few mirrors, and yet, out of them | 1:50:49 | 1:50:52 | |
he's creating something that feels very joyful, almost poetic. | 1:50:52 | 1:50:56 | |
It's like he's able to fashion just a little bit of magic | 1:50:56 | 1:50:59 | |
out of the mundane. | 1:50:59 | 1:51:00 | |
You don't have to walk into a gallery to catch some of the most | 1:51:05 | 1:51:08 | |
intriguing art of the festival. | 1:51:08 | 1:51:09 | |
In fact, some pretty unusual venues have been | 1:51:09 | 1:51:12 | |
transformed into immersive experiences. | 1:51:12 | 1:51:15 | |
Within a corner kick's distance of Hibs' Easter Road ground is | 1:51:17 | 1:51:20 | |
a TARDIS with a surprise inside. | 1:51:20 | 1:51:23 | |
-Hello. Yann! -Yes. -Great to meet you. -Great to meet you. | 1:51:27 | 1:51:31 | |
This is slightly surreal. Is this is a real police box? | 1:51:31 | 1:51:35 | |
This is an original police box. | 1:51:35 | 1:51:36 | |
It's been here for decades, although a lot of people didn't really | 1:51:36 | 1:51:39 | |
notice it until we repainted it. | 1:51:39 | 1:51:41 | |
You didn't just repaint it by the looks of things! | 1:51:41 | 1:51:43 | |
We've put all these computer fans in here. | 1:51:43 | 1:51:45 | |
And what's the idea behind the piece? | 1:51:45 | 1:51:47 | |
The idea is that they will recreate the wind that's | 1:51:47 | 1:51:50 | |
happening in other places around the world. | 1:51:50 | 1:51:52 | |
My computer will look up the current weather right now | 1:51:52 | 1:51:55 | |
and these fans will recreate that much wind in this little box. | 1:51:55 | 1:51:59 | |
-Turn it on! -All right, let's get it going. | 1:51:59 | 1:52:02 | |
Ooh. | 1:52:02 | 1:52:03 | |
Yeah, I can imagine that, being on the beach and there's a nice, | 1:52:03 | 1:52:07 | |
-cool sea breeze. -Yeah, about the same, maybe a touch more. | 1:52:07 | 1:52:10 | |
So, this is probably in China, would be my guess. | 1:52:10 | 1:52:14 | |
And why have you picked the particular places that you have? | 1:52:14 | 1:52:17 | |
Well, two of them are places where these fans have been made. | 1:52:17 | 1:52:21 | |
A lot of these are made in South East Asia, | 1:52:21 | 1:52:23 | |
and these factories can make 20 million of these fans every month. | 1:52:23 | 1:52:26 | |
This is a piece that really | 1:52:26 | 1:52:27 | |
is about our connection to the world and how we use technology | 1:52:27 | 1:52:30 | |
and how we discard it and how we can reappropriate it | 1:52:30 | 1:52:33 | |
and make it ours again. | 1:52:33 | 1:52:35 | |
It's a really lovely idea, | 1:52:35 | 1:52:36 | |
and I had no idea I'd be off to China this morning. | 1:52:36 | 1:52:39 | |
Well, yeah, you don't even have to pay a plane ticket. | 1:52:39 | 1:52:42 | |
-I might leave you in your police box. -All right. | 1:52:42 | 1:52:45 | |
-I'm just going to cool down for a little while in here. -OK. Bye. | 1:52:45 | 1:52:48 | |
All right. See you later. | 1:52:48 | 1:52:50 | |
Appearances can be deceptive. | 1:52:52 | 1:52:54 | |
Just as the cramped confines of a police box can take us | 1:52:54 | 1:52:58 | |
to far flung corners of the world, so the grand | 1:52:58 | 1:53:00 | |
facade of the Inverleith House Gallery at the heart | 1:53:00 | 1:53:02 | |
of Edinburgh's tranquil botanic gardens belies some surprising | 1:53:02 | 1:53:06 | |
art that you would hardly call polite. | 1:53:06 | 1:53:08 | |
I love coming to Inverleith House during the festival, | 1:53:09 | 1:53:12 | |
because the artists that come here usually conform | 1:53:12 | 1:53:14 | |
to a particular type. They're wild and raucous | 1:53:14 | 1:53:17 | |
and they've got more than a little whiff of anarchy about them. | 1:53:17 | 1:53:20 | |
The German artist Isa Genzken, who was born in 1948, well, | 1:53:20 | 1:53:23 | |
she's no exception. | 1:53:23 | 1:53:25 | |
PSYCHEDELIC MUSIC | 1:53:25 | 1:53:27 | |
Her witty, unconventional works of art are all about a surprising | 1:53:30 | 1:53:34 | |
freedom of expression and the liberating, | 1:53:34 | 1:53:37 | |
sometimes disturbing power of creativity. | 1:53:37 | 1:53:39 | |
There's a real precariousness, a kind of volatility to Genzken's | 1:53:44 | 1:53:47 | |
work that, for me, gives it a devil may care energy, because at | 1:53:47 | 1:53:51 | |
first glance, it looks so chaotic, | 1:53:51 | 1:53:54 | |
it could be almost about to disintegrate before our eyes, | 1:53:54 | 1:53:57 | |
and yet, somehow, against the odds, it still coheres. | 1:53:57 | 1:54:02 | |
That's partly because of the colour scheme, and in this case, | 1:54:02 | 1:54:05 | |
also the imagery, which seems to be associated with womanhood. | 1:54:05 | 1:54:08 | |
You have self portrait, Medusa's head, female genitalia, | 1:54:08 | 1:54:12 | |
stand-ins for that, even Leonardo's drawing of a foetus. | 1:54:12 | 1:54:16 | |
And together, these things combine to give the piece | 1:54:16 | 1:54:19 | |
a sense of order and consistency. | 1:54:19 | 1:54:21 | |
Back at Summerhall, | 1:54:26 | 1:54:27 | |
there's a show by another influential artist of the same | 1:54:27 | 1:54:29 | |
generation whose career has also been dedicated to a restless | 1:54:29 | 1:54:33 | |
investigation of the hidden undercurrents of human life. | 1:54:33 | 1:54:36 | |
Born in Florida, just a few years before Isa Genzken, Susan Hiller | 1:54:38 | 1:54:42 | |
studied anthropology before moving to London and becoming an artist. | 1:54:42 | 1:54:47 | |
Her exhibition includes the premiere of her Resounding video work. | 1:54:47 | 1:54:52 | |
MALE VOICE IN VIDEO: 'I saw in the sky a cigar-shaped object, | 1:54:52 | 1:54:56 | |
'blue-red in colour.' | 1:54:56 | 1:54:58 | |
This mesmerizing piece combines the faint traces of the Big Bang | 1:54:58 | 1:55:02 | |
detected by scientific instruments with eye-witness | 1:55:02 | 1:55:05 | |
accounts of extra-terrestrial experiences. | 1:55:05 | 1:55:09 | |
You have this sense, I guess, of deep time, | 1:55:09 | 1:55:11 | |
going back to the Big Bang and then a sense of the here and now | 1:55:11 | 1:55:14 | |
and people and their encounters - close encounters | 1:55:14 | 1:55:17 | |
of the third kind, as it were. | 1:55:17 | 1:55:19 | |
Why are you meshing those two things together? | 1:55:19 | 1:55:21 | |
Well, it's about how we understand the universe. | 1:55:21 | 1:55:25 | |
And our understanding is extremely partial and small, | 1:55:25 | 1:55:30 | |
and we sometimes have experiences that take us out of an | 1:55:30 | 1:55:36 | |
everyday-ness, that where they seem to take us is into these stories. | 1:55:36 | 1:55:40 | |
And I guess what I'm hoping people will do is sit back | 1:55:40 | 1:55:44 | |
and enjoy the film, enjoy the visuals and reflect on these things, | 1:55:44 | 1:55:50 | |
these elements and how they may or may not go together. | 1:55:50 | 1:55:53 | |
One of the big themes you've been talking about, | 1:55:53 | 1:55:55 | |
interest in the occult, mysticism, a sort of spirituality, | 1:55:55 | 1:55:58 | |
a sense of the paranormal. | 1:55:58 | 1:56:00 | |
Why have these things been career-long interests? | 1:56:00 | 1:56:04 | |
Probably because I don't think that they're "paranormal", | 1:56:04 | 1:56:08 | |
and because I'm not a believer either in them as any more truthful. | 1:56:08 | 1:56:15 | |
But one of the things you learn in anthropology is that every | 1:56:15 | 1:56:19 | |
language, every culture has its own world, its own reality. | 1:56:19 | 1:56:24 | |
Do we, as a culture, put too much stress on rationality? | 1:56:24 | 1:56:27 | |
Rationality is a very useful tool, | 1:56:27 | 1:56:30 | |
and so is intuition. | 1:56:30 | 1:56:32 | |
And I guess I value the intuitive side of things enough to want | 1:56:32 | 1:56:36 | |
to bring them up in general conversation. | 1:56:36 | 1:56:40 | |
Do you feel that that intuitive side is dismissed, | 1:56:40 | 1:56:43 | |
written off, too frequently? | 1:56:43 | 1:56:44 | |
-Of course it is. -Why do you think that is? | 1:56:44 | 1:56:46 | |
It's not if men pursue it, but it is if women pursue it. | 1:56:46 | 1:56:50 | |
I don't need to say any more, do I? | 1:56:53 | 1:56:55 | |
I think you probably have a point. | 1:56:55 | 1:56:57 | |
INDISTINCT VOICES FROM INSTALLATION | 1:56:58 | 1:57:01 | |
Susan Hiller's exhibition continues at Summerhall until 26th September. | 1:57:03 | 1:57:07 | |
Time now to hop back in the tram for a performance from the talented | 1:57:07 | 1:57:11 | |
young guitarist Declan Zapala. | 1:57:11 | 1:57:13 | |
Declan Zapala, who's performing at The Fringe until next Saturday. | 1:59:09 | 1:59:13 | |
This year's festival has a South African feel, | 1:59:13 | 1:59:16 | |
with a raft of productions celebrating a momentous | 1:59:16 | 1:59:19 | |
anniversary, but also reminding us of a troubled past. | 1:59:19 | 1:59:22 | |
TRADITIONAL SINGING | 1:59:24 | 1:59:26 | |
It's two decades since South Africa's first | 1:59:29 | 1:59:32 | |
fully-democratic elections marked the end of the apartheid era. | 1:59:32 | 1:59:35 | |
This year in Edinburgh, a season of South African productions | 1:59:37 | 1:59:40 | |
marks the 20th anniversary of the country's momentous shift | 1:59:40 | 1:59:43 | |
towards racial equality and democracy. | 1:59:43 | 1:59:46 | |
The most hotly-anticipated piece | 1:59:48 | 1:59:49 | |
of South African work is the world premier of the innovative Inala. | 1:59:49 | 1:59:53 | |
TRADITIONAL MUSIC | 1:59:55 | 1:59:57 | |
Grammy Award winning choir Ladysmith Black Mambazo creates a live | 1:59:59 | 2:00:03 | |
score for dancers from the Rambert and the Royal Ballet, | 2:00:03 | 2:00:06 | |
choreographed by Mark Baldwin. | 2:00:06 | 2:00:08 | |
I am inspired by music. | 2:00:09 | 2:00:12 | |
I need to listen to it till I'm blue in the face, | 2:00:12 | 2:00:14 | |
and then I need to move around to it. | 2:00:14 | 2:00:16 | |
I think this music has really come alive | 2:00:16 | 2:00:19 | |
because there's dancing with it. | 2:00:19 | 2:00:21 | |
I don't know why, | 2:00:21 | 2:00:22 | |
and when I did hear the music without seeing dancing to it, | 2:00:22 | 2:00:25 | |
I was thinking, "Oh, yes, that's beautiful." | 2:00:25 | 2:00:28 | |
But actually, it's more than beautiful cos there's dancing | 2:00:28 | 2:00:31 | |
with it, and I don't often say that. | 2:00:31 | 2:00:33 | |
Over five years in the making, Inala is the brain child of dancer | 2:00:37 | 2:00:40 | |
Pietra Mello Pittman and composer Ella Spira. | 2:00:40 | 2:00:44 | |
I had always wanted to, perhaps slightly arrogantly, | 2:00:44 | 2:00:49 | |
try and find something that I could approach | 2:00:49 | 2:00:51 | |
Ladysmith Black Mambazo with, | 2:00:51 | 2:00:53 | |
cos I grew up listening to a lot of different kinds of music, | 2:00:53 | 2:00:56 | |
including African. | 2:00:56 | 2:00:58 | |
So it partly came out of that for me, and Pietra's Brazilian, | 2:00:58 | 2:01:02 | |
so her connection with that similar kind of rhythmical thing, | 2:01:02 | 2:01:07 | |
that we thought there might be something there to explore my area, | 2:01:07 | 2:01:11 | |
which is music and her area, which was dance and this bringing | 2:01:11 | 2:01:14 | |
together of two things that don't ordinarily exist together. | 2:01:14 | 2:01:17 | |
The dancers are from a variety of backgrounds. | 2:01:22 | 2:01:25 | |
They include the principal of the Royal Ballet in London, | 2:01:25 | 2:01:27 | |
and also South Africans trained in contemporary | 2:01:27 | 2:01:30 | |
and traditional African dance. | 2:01:30 | 2:01:32 | |
African dance is a big part of culture in South Africa, | 2:01:32 | 2:01:35 | |
so all the moves they do, we learned when we were young already. | 2:01:35 | 2:01:40 | |
And then I started doing ballet, I stated doing contemporary, | 2:01:40 | 2:01:43 | |
but it's in my blood...it's still there. | 2:01:43 | 2:01:47 | |
So when we're in the creation process, they'll come up with | 2:01:47 | 2:01:50 | |
some steps and they will show us some steps, and I'll be like, | 2:01:50 | 2:01:53 | |
"Yes! I remember this! This is so cool!" | 2:01:53 | 2:01:55 | |
Inala represents an uplifting fusion of African and Western cultures, | 2:01:57 | 2:02:02 | |
but in his live installation "Exhibit B", | 2:02:02 | 2:02:05 | |
the artist Brett Bailey explores a more troubling | 2:02:05 | 2:02:07 | |
aspect of African history, | 2:02:07 | 2:02:10 | |
the issue of racial stereotyping | 2:02:10 | 2:02:11 | |
across the continent in the European colonial era. | 2:02:11 | 2:02:15 | |
Exhibit B, on one level it's about colonial history, | 2:02:16 | 2:02:19 | |
on another level it's about how black people, brown people, | 2:02:19 | 2:02:22 | |
"the other" has been misrepresented in order to legitimise | 2:02:22 | 2:02:26 | |
colonial policies so that they can be reduced to servitude, dehumanised, | 2:02:26 | 2:02:31 | |
objectified, their territory can be taken away from them, | 2:02:31 | 2:02:33 | |
and ultimately they can be exterminated. | 2:02:33 | 2:02:36 | |
CHOIR SINGING | 2:02:36 | 2:02:38 | |
Audience members experience each installation in small groups, | 2:02:43 | 2:02:47 | |
and Bailey encourages his actors to | 2:02:47 | 2:02:49 | |
make direct eye contact with each person. | 2:02:49 | 2:02:52 | |
In the human zoo phenomenon, the emphasis was | 2:02:52 | 2:02:54 | |
definitely on the white spectator gazing at the dark other. | 2:02:54 | 2:02:58 | |
I put the emphasis on my performers, who are black people, | 2:02:58 | 2:03:01 | |
looking back at the audience. | 2:03:01 | 2:03:03 | |
It's about reversing it. | 2:03:03 | 2:03:04 | |
So I'm dealing with the human being as an object, | 2:03:04 | 2:03:06 | |
the way of...subverting that, is to really humanise these objects. | 2:03:06 | 2:03:12 | |
CHOIR SINGING | 2:03:12 | 2:03:15 | |
Accompanying the installations is the haunting | 2:03:20 | 2:03:23 | |
sound of a Namibian choir. | 2:03:23 | 2:03:25 | |
As a spectator, you walk through an installation where | 2:03:25 | 2:03:27 | |
there are 12 or 13 separate exhibitions, | 2:03:27 | 2:03:30 | |
but what holds everything together | 2:03:30 | 2:03:32 | |
and what gives it this emotional quality is this exquisite singing. | 2:03:32 | 2:03:36 | |
It creates the atmosphere and the environment. | 2:03:36 | 2:03:40 | |
CHOIR SINGING | 2:03:40 | 2:03:42 | |
A lot of people are very deeply moved - | 2:03:42 | 2:03:44 | |
some people break down and cry. | 2:03:44 | 2:03:45 | |
We've had stories of people who have just walked for several hours, | 2:03:45 | 2:03:48 | |
into the night just to contemplate. So people are deeply moved. | 2:03:48 | 2:03:52 | |
The Assembly is showcasing some of South Africa's best | 2:03:55 | 2:03:58 | |
contemporary playwriting. | 2:03:58 | 2:04:00 | |
They feature five productions, one of which stars movie actor | 2:04:00 | 2:04:03 | |
and singer Mbongeni Ngema, | 2:04:03 | 2:04:05 | |
who's decided to return to the stage for the first | 2:04:05 | 2:04:08 | |
time in 27 years. | 2:04:08 | 2:04:10 | |
Zulu means "heaven". | 2:04:11 | 2:04:15 | |
Kwazulu means "in heaven". | 2:04:15 | 2:04:17 | |
We call ourselves Abakwa Zulu, | 2:04:17 | 2:04:20 | |
the Zulus, or the little children of the sky. | 2:04:20 | 2:04:24 | |
In his play, Ngema explores an area of South African history | 2:04:24 | 2:04:27 | |
neglected under apartheid, the formation of the Zulu nation | 2:04:27 | 2:04:31 | |
and its struggles for survival. | 2:04:31 | 2:04:33 | |
Our heritage has became very important. | 2:04:33 | 2:04:36 | |
Young people are now wanting to know, "Who are we? | 2:04:36 | 2:04:38 | |
"Where did we come from?" | 2:04:38 | 2:04:40 | |
Unfortunately, during apartheid, this history was not taught, | 2:04:40 | 2:04:43 | |
it was the history of the Afrikaners that was taught, | 2:04:43 | 2:04:46 | |
so the Zulu is one of those leading projects | 2:04:46 | 2:04:49 | |
in re-telling our histories. | 2:04:49 | 2:04:52 | |
THEY EXCLAIM IN OWN LANGUAGE | 2:04:53 | 2:04:55 | |
The inspiration for the work came from stories | 2:04:57 | 2:04:59 | |
his great grandmother used to tell him as a child. | 2:04:59 | 2:05:02 | |
I didn't understand what she was talking about. | 2:05:02 | 2:05:04 | |
It was not until later on in my life, | 2:05:04 | 2:05:07 | |
when I began to be an artist, that these | 2:05:07 | 2:05:09 | |
stories started coming back to me, | 2:05:09 | 2:05:11 | |
and I realised how important it was that she was saying to me. | 2:05:11 | 2:05:15 | |
THEY SPEAK IN OWN LANGUAGE | 2:05:17 | 2:05:19 | |
'It's about Zulu renaissance, | 2:05:21 | 2:05:23 | |
'and Zulu resilience.' | 2:05:23 | 2:05:25 | |
It's about the state of mind, the state of victory, | 2:05:25 | 2:05:29 | |
the state of winning. | 2:05:29 | 2:05:30 | |
In a democratic society today, if we can all, as Africans, | 2:05:30 | 2:05:34 | |
have the Zulu state of mind, | 2:05:34 | 2:05:36 | |
we can win whatever battles we fight. | 2:05:36 | 2:05:39 | |
CHOIR SINGS | 2:05:39 | 2:05:42 | |
In post-apartheid South Africa, the fight against crime has been | 2:05:42 | 2:05:45 | |
a major preoccupation. | 2:05:45 | 2:05:48 | |
The play Silent Voice tackles the issue | 2:05:48 | 2:05:51 | |
of armed robbery among young black men. | 2:05:51 | 2:05:53 | |
Where I grew up, | 2:05:53 | 2:05:55 | |
there are a lot of guys that I went to school with being | 2:05:55 | 2:05:57 | |
involved in cash-in-transit robberies, | 2:05:57 | 2:06:00 | |
and some of them are in jail, some of them are dead, | 2:06:00 | 2:06:03 | |
so some of those stories have rubbed off onto the story of Silent Voice. | 2:06:03 | 2:06:07 | |
So it's fictional, but inspired by real events that happened. | 2:06:07 | 2:06:10 | |
Please, spare my life! | 2:06:10 | 2:06:12 | |
SHOUTING | 2:06:12 | 2:06:15 | |
The play deals with the fallout of a raid gone wrong | 2:06:17 | 2:06:19 | |
and the consequences for the four men involved. | 2:06:19 | 2:06:23 | |
These boys that are growing without fathers | 2:06:23 | 2:06:25 | |
and just the results of apartheid, | 2:06:25 | 2:06:27 | |
where fathers had to go and work out there, | 2:06:27 | 2:06:29 | |
where families were not stable, | 2:06:29 | 2:06:31 | |
where people had been turning against each other, | 2:06:31 | 2:06:33 | |
so it is all those stories that come to make the story | 2:06:33 | 2:06:36 | |
of Silent Voice explode like that. | 2:06:36 | 2:06:39 | |
Please keep your head down. Keep your head down. | 2:06:39 | 2:06:41 | |
I'm self-employed, you see, which is a shit job because, now and then, | 2:06:41 | 2:06:44 | |
you have to run away from the cops, shoot at them or they shoot at you, | 2:06:44 | 2:06:48 | |
and God willing, you survive or you die. | 2:06:48 | 2:06:51 | |
So how healthy a state is South African theatre in | 2:06:51 | 2:06:54 | |
two decades on from the fall of apartheid? | 2:06:54 | 2:06:57 | |
South African theatre is well and alive and it's finding its feet, | 2:06:57 | 2:07:00 | |
but I think that this year, | 2:07:00 | 2:07:01 | |
as we celebrate 20 years of democracy and freedom, | 2:07:01 | 2:07:04 | |
we can safely say that South African theatre is more relevant. | 2:07:04 | 2:07:08 | |
SHOUTING | 2:07:08 | 2:07:10 | |
You can see more from South Africa online | 2:07:16 | 2:07:18 | |
and Inala transfers to Sadler's Wells in London next month. | 2:07:18 | 2:07:22 | |
We're back in the trams now, but staying with our South Africa theme. | 2:07:22 | 2:07:25 | |
The Dloko High School choir has never been outside Umlazi | 2:07:25 | 2:07:28 | |
township before, but this month they're in Edinburgh | 2:07:28 | 2:07:31 | |
performing to raise money for community projects back home | 2:07:31 | 2:07:34 | |
and they're creating quite a stir. | 2:07:34 | 2:07:36 | |
THEY SING IN OWN LANGUAGE | 2:07:38 | 2:07:41 | |
The amazing Township Voices are at the Assembly Rooms until Thursday. | 2:09:04 | 2:09:09 | |
Now, there is one Edinburgh venue that has propelled itself from very | 2:09:09 | 2:09:13 | |
humble beginnings to become a very powerful presence in three decades. | 2:09:13 | 2:09:17 | |
The Pleasance opened in 1985 with just 2 theatres and 18 shows, | 2:09:17 | 2:09:22 | |
and now it sells one Fringe ticket in five | 2:09:22 | 2:09:24 | |
and helped launched the careers of people like Graham Norton, | 2:09:24 | 2:09:27 | |
Miranda Hart and Michael McIntyre. | 2:09:27 | 2:09:29 | |
To help celebrate its 30th anniversary, | 2:09:29 | 2:09:31 | |
Pleasance veteran Arthur Smith takes us | 2:09:31 | 2:09:34 | |
through this venue's amazing history. | 2:09:34 | 2:09:36 | |
Edinburgh in August, where you're never more | 2:09:41 | 2:09:43 | |
than 15 feet from a drama student in period costume. | 2:09:43 | 2:09:47 | |
The Edinburgh Festival and it's Fringe provides one of the great | 2:09:47 | 2:09:50 | |
playgrounds of the imagination. | 2:09:50 | 2:09:52 | |
I've been here nearly every year | 2:09:52 | 2:09:54 | |
since 1977 with a whole range of shows | 2:09:54 | 2:09:56 | |
and there's one venue I keep coming back to. | 2:09:56 | 2:09:59 | |
Welcome to this great thriving hub of the Edinburgh Fringe | 2:10:07 | 2:10:10 | |
and one of my favourite places on Earth, | 2:10:10 | 2:10:12 | |
the Pleasance and its courtyard. | 2:10:12 | 2:10:15 | |
Over the last 30 years, the Pleasance has welcomed countless fresh-faced, | 2:10:17 | 2:10:22 | |
keen young comics on stage and helped turn a few of them | 2:10:22 | 2:10:26 | |
into household names. | 2:10:26 | 2:10:28 | |
To me, it's a sort of courtyard of dreams. | 2:10:28 | 2:10:31 | |
The buzz of all these different people moving through it, | 2:10:31 | 2:10:34 | |
and just the sense that it really was the coolest place to be. | 2:10:34 | 2:10:38 | |
I've had some of the greatest highs of my life at the Pleasance | 2:10:40 | 2:10:43 | |
and some of the worst lows. | 2:10:43 | 2:10:44 | |
I don't think there's a toilet I haven't cried in. | 2:10:44 | 2:10:47 | |
There hasn't been a cobble I've not splashed lager on or a tear. | 2:10:47 | 2:10:51 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:10:51 | 2:10:53 | |
Every single kind of performer you can imagine, | 2:10:53 | 2:10:55 | |
every famous comedian, was packed into this courtyard, | 2:10:55 | 2:10:59 | |
just downing pints of filthy-looking beer. | 2:10:59 | 2:11:02 | |
The Pleasance is so popular with performers | 2:11:04 | 2:11:06 | |
and punters that, this year, there are 227 shows across 27 venues. | 2:11:06 | 2:11:12 | |
So, on an average day, | 2:11:12 | 2:11:13 | |
they've got 30,000 people streaming through their doors. | 2:11:13 | 2:11:17 | |
Queues can be long. | 2:11:17 | 2:11:19 | |
You never quite know who or what you're going to see here. | 2:11:19 | 2:11:23 | |
-Excellent. -It's a play about... Just over there. | 2:11:23 | 2:11:27 | |
-Lovely. -..with cross-dressing women. | 2:11:27 | 2:11:29 | |
Excellent. Thank you very much, madam. | 2:11:29 | 2:11:31 | |
Good day to you. | 2:11:31 | 2:11:33 | |
And I always manage to bump into a few old friends, | 2:11:33 | 2:11:36 | |
here in this courtyard. | 2:11:36 | 2:11:37 | |
I always thought I'd attract a stalker. | 2:11:37 | 2:11:39 | |
No, no, I'm not a stalker. | 2:11:39 | 2:11:41 | |
I just have an unhealthy interest in you. | 2:11:41 | 2:11:43 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:11:43 | 2:11:45 | |
-What's the difference? -A stalker would get more exercise. | 2:11:45 | 2:11:49 | |
Well, clearly you've had issues. | 2:11:49 | 2:11:52 | |
I do not have issues, mate. | 2:11:52 | 2:11:55 | |
My life is way more normal than yours. | 2:11:55 | 2:11:57 | |
For a start, I'm not the one with a stranger in my hotel room. | 2:11:57 | 2:12:01 | |
-Paul, what was your first show here? Do you remember? -1986. | 2:12:02 | 2:12:05 | |
Myself and Mark Steel had an idea that perhaps we'd come up to | 2:12:05 | 2:12:08 | |
Edinburgh, but we didn't know anybody up here. | 2:12:08 | 2:12:11 | |
There was this guy in a straw hat, Christopher Richardson, | 2:12:11 | 2:12:13 | |
who we didn't know, and he said, "Come and play my venue." | 2:12:13 | 2:12:16 | |
We thought we would have to go in and try and argue | 2:12:16 | 2:12:18 | |
that somebody should take us. | 2:12:18 | 2:12:19 | |
He said, "No, come and play. It'll be great." | 2:12:19 | 2:12:22 | |
I'm guessing you played some smaller venues here first | 2:12:22 | 2:12:24 | |
and play bigger ones now. | 2:12:24 | 2:12:26 | |
-The first... -None of them are that big, but... | 2:12:26 | 2:12:28 | |
Well, yes, that's right. | 2:12:28 | 2:12:29 | |
The first one we played here is now the cabaret bar. | 2:12:29 | 2:12:31 | |
I'm not even sure that was called anything then. | 2:12:31 | 2:12:34 | |
I've directed a play up in the attic, which seats about 50 people. | 2:12:34 | 2:12:38 | |
You must have done a few unusual events and shows. | 2:12:38 | 2:12:40 | |
Yes, there was one night, there was this sort of informal cabaret thing, | 2:12:40 | 2:12:44 | |
where myself and Julian Clary decided to go on | 2:12:44 | 2:12:46 | |
and do each other's acts. | 2:12:46 | 2:12:48 | |
So he went on and did my stuff and I went on and said, | 2:12:48 | 2:12:50 | |
"Hello, how are you?" And all that sort of stuff and... | 2:12:50 | 2:12:53 | |
That's quite a good... | 2:12:53 | 2:12:54 | |
Yeah. I wouldn't have suggested it otherwise. | 2:12:54 | 2:12:57 | |
-How was Julian doing you? -Oh, well, you know, | 2:12:57 | 2:13:00 | |
his impression of a heterosexual man is quite strange. | 2:13:00 | 2:13:04 | |
It's a friendly, lively, beautiful place. | 2:13:04 | 2:13:07 | |
I wouldn't really play anywhere else, really, in Edinburgh. | 2:13:07 | 2:13:10 | |
This place would not exist were it not for founder | 2:13:15 | 2:13:18 | |
Christopher Richardson, the man in the Panama hat. | 2:13:18 | 2:13:23 | |
Christopher, when you first thought, | 2:13:23 | 2:13:25 | |
"All right, I'll book that place the Pleasance and see what happens" | 2:13:25 | 2:13:29 | |
30 years ago, did you...? | 2:13:29 | 2:13:31 | |
You can't have imagined all this. | 2:13:31 | 2:13:33 | |
No, I certainly didn't. | 2:13:33 | 2:13:34 | |
I thought we might keep going to the end of the year | 2:13:34 | 2:13:36 | |
and the end of the following year. | 2:13:36 | 2:13:38 | |
But how many venues were there at the beginning? | 2:13:38 | 2:13:40 | |
Just the two. Yeah, there was the big one upstairs, | 2:13:40 | 2:13:43 | |
which was 250 seats, which we increased, | 2:13:43 | 2:13:45 | |
and then there was a cabaret bar. | 2:13:45 | 2:13:47 | |
I think one thing that Pleasance has that the other venues don't | 2:13:47 | 2:13:50 | |
so much is the kind of wonderful courtyard here you've got. | 2:13:50 | 2:13:53 | |
It's such a wonderful place to meet people | 2:13:53 | 2:13:55 | |
and for audiences to meet actors and performers and whatnot. | 2:13:55 | 2:14:00 | |
-That was kind of luck, in a way, was it? -Absolute luck. | 2:14:00 | 2:14:02 | |
There was this place that had a courtyard, | 2:14:02 | 2:14:05 | |
it looked slightly like Hogwarts or whatever, | 2:14:05 | 2:14:08 | |
and it was a wonderful place to do things. | 2:14:08 | 2:14:10 | |
We've had things happening in the middle | 2:14:10 | 2:14:12 | |
when there were rather less people coming to see things. | 2:14:12 | 2:14:16 | |
We've had performances in the yard itself, which annoyed | 2:14:16 | 2:14:18 | |
the neighbours and annoyed most of the people performing, | 2:14:18 | 2:14:21 | |
so we've had to change that. | 2:14:21 | 2:14:22 | |
And there was a lovely lady called Betty Brown, | 2:14:22 | 2:14:24 | |
who lived in a tiny little flat on top of the Pleasance, | 2:14:24 | 2:14:27 | |
and one day she sort of flung open the window | 2:14:27 | 2:14:30 | |
and served a pint of beer through the window... | 2:14:30 | 2:14:33 | |
and the outside bar has sort of grown out of that. | 2:14:33 | 2:14:35 | |
There's a moment, about seven o'clock in the evening, | 2:14:35 | 2:14:38 | |
when you look across and you see the sun on the edge of that Quaker hall, | 2:14:38 | 2:14:42 | |
and you think, "Gosh, this is a good place to be." | 2:14:42 | 2:14:45 | |
Will you please welcome onto the stage, | 2:14:46 | 2:14:48 | |
and this year's 1995 Perrier Award winner, Jenny Eclair? | 2:14:48 | 2:14:53 | |
Many comedians have broken through with shows honed at the Pleasance, | 2:14:53 | 2:14:56 | |
including the first woman to win the Fringe's top comedy award. | 2:14:56 | 2:15:00 | |
The Pleasance really helped me | 2:15:00 | 2:15:02 | |
in my career because they invited me back, they would have me, | 2:15:02 | 2:15:07 | |
and I think that it's quite important in Edinburgh to set | 2:15:07 | 2:15:10 | |
yourself... You know, to go back and then people go, | 2:15:10 | 2:15:14 | |
"Oh, we saw her last year, she was good." | 2:15:14 | 2:15:16 | |
And then the word of mouth and, pre-Twitter, | 2:15:16 | 2:15:18 | |
the courtyard was its very own Twittersphere, | 2:15:18 | 2:15:21 | |
really, because word of mouth goes around | 2:15:21 | 2:15:24 | |
very quickly in a sort of walled garden. | 2:15:24 | 2:15:27 | |
For the League of Gentlemen, | 2:15:29 | 2:15:31 | |
getting a gig at the Pleasance in 1995 was a dream come true. | 2:15:31 | 2:15:37 | |
We were given a slot in the Pleasance attic, | 2:15:37 | 2:15:41 | |
which was the smallest venue, but in the Pleasance, | 2:15:41 | 2:15:44 | |
which felt like it made all the difference and indeed it did. | 2:15:44 | 2:15:48 | |
It was that rare thing. It was a sort of Edinburgh fairy tale. | 2:15:48 | 2:15:51 | |
By the end of our stint there, we had a radio show | 2:15:51 | 2:15:56 | |
and Reeves and Mortimer's agent. | 2:15:56 | 2:15:59 | |
I mean, one of my best memories is, after we'd won the Perrier in '97, | 2:15:59 | 2:16:04 | |
the next day, the show the next day, | 2:16:04 | 2:16:06 | |
we looked out and the queue was immense. | 2:16:06 | 2:16:09 | |
But right in the middle of it, I just went, "It's Ronnie Corbett!" | 2:16:09 | 2:16:14 | |
-I've never got over that. -HE LAUGHS | 2:16:14 | 2:16:17 | |
The Pleasance encourages comedy as an art form, | 2:16:17 | 2:16:19 | |
not just as a way of making money. | 2:16:19 | 2:16:23 | |
You know? It's a kind of... | 2:16:23 | 2:16:24 | |
The idea is that you're trying to do something new, | 2:16:24 | 2:16:27 | |
you're trying to do something that you believe in, | 2:16:27 | 2:16:30 | |
and the form of it is not necessarily... | 2:16:30 | 2:16:32 | |
It doesn't have to be a guy at a microphone, | 2:16:32 | 2:16:34 | |
it doesn't have to be this or that. It's a bit more... | 2:16:34 | 2:16:37 | |
..adventurous. | 2:16:38 | 2:16:39 | |
Now, all around the venue, you can spot tributes | 2:16:39 | 2:16:42 | |
to the host of stars that kicked off their careers here. | 2:16:42 | 2:16:45 | |
Oh, all these plaques everywhere, I thought, "Where's my plaque?" | 2:16:45 | 2:16:49 | |
I asked Anthony, and lo and behold, at the bottom of a cupboard, | 2:16:49 | 2:16:52 | |
he found this blue plaque for me. | 2:16:52 | 2:16:56 | |
Yes, they haven't put it up or anything, | 2:16:56 | 2:16:58 | |
it's the wrong venue and the wrong year. | 2:16:58 | 2:16:59 | |
But never mind. I'm a plaque in the Pleasance. | 2:16:59 | 2:17:03 | |
We owe it all so much to the Pleasance, | 2:17:07 | 2:17:09 | |
and that whole, unique atmosphere of the place. | 2:17:09 | 2:17:12 | |
It was just a kind of hothouse of excitement, really. | 2:17:12 | 2:17:16 | |
It's still the first place I head for when I go to Edinburgh. | 2:17:16 | 2:17:19 | |
You know, if I'm feeling a bit by myself | 2:17:19 | 2:17:21 | |
and I've got some time to myself, | 2:17:21 | 2:17:23 | |
want to see some shows, then I will go there. | 2:17:23 | 2:17:26 | |
OK, well, Anthony and Christopher, | 2:17:26 | 2:17:30 | |
I'd like to pour this champagne all over your... | 2:17:30 | 2:17:33 | |
All over the suit that I gather you've had for 30 years. | 2:17:33 | 2:17:37 | |
-Your very good health. -30 years of the Pleasance. Bravo. | 2:17:37 | 2:17:41 | |
And Arthur Smith himself is back at the Pleasance this year, | 2:17:41 | 2:17:44 | |
performing the songs of Leonard Cohen from next Friday. | 2:17:44 | 2:17:48 | |
Unsurprisingly at this year's festival, | 2:17:48 | 2:17:50 | |
there's a whole host of productions | 2:17:50 | 2:17:52 | |
relating to next month's independence referendum, | 2:17:52 | 2:17:55 | |
from debates at the book festival, to plays, to sketch comedy, | 2:17:55 | 2:17:59 | |
members of the cultural community | 2:17:59 | 2:18:00 | |
are all wading into the referendum debate. | 2:18:00 | 2:18:03 | |
So, what is the role of artists and writers at a time like this? | 2:18:03 | 2:18:07 | |
This year at the Fringe, | 2:18:10 | 2:18:12 | |
it seems there's one topic on everyone's lips. | 2:18:12 | 2:18:14 | |
Tonight, we're going to be looking at politics. | 2:18:15 | 2:18:17 | |
We're going to be looking at the big question, the burning issue. | 2:18:17 | 2:18:20 | |
-We're going to be having a mass debate. -Can I stop you there? | 2:18:20 | 2:18:23 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:18:23 | 2:18:25 | |
With the Scottish referendum just over a month away, writers, | 2:18:25 | 2:18:29 | |
artists and performers across the city have plunged into the debate. | 2:18:29 | 2:18:33 | |
Oh, my God, when recession hits here, | 2:18:33 | 2:18:35 | |
you'll wish the English were still with yous. | 2:18:35 | 2:18:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:18:37 | 2:18:38 | |
One venue, the Assembly Rooms, | 2:18:38 | 2:18:40 | |
has eight shows tackling the issue, through comedy, cabaret and theatre. | 2:18:40 | 2:18:45 | |
In his one-man show, The Pitiless Storm, | 2:18:45 | 2:18:49 | |
David Hayman plays a Labour activist | 2:18:49 | 2:18:51 | |
who undergoes a political conversion. | 2:18:51 | 2:18:54 | |
Boris and Nigel Farage | 2:18:54 | 2:18:56 | |
and Jack "Nippy Sweetie" Straw | 2:18:56 | 2:18:58 | |
and their zero-hours contracts and their food banks | 2:18:58 | 2:19:01 | |
and their destruction of everything that is good and dear in humanity. | 2:19:01 | 2:19:05 | |
So yes, thank you, thank you, Westminster, | 2:19:05 | 2:19:09 | |
and the great British Commonwealth. | 2:19:09 | 2:19:12 | |
What do you think is the role of writers, artists, performers, | 2:19:12 | 2:19:17 | |
in a time of change in a country? | 2:19:17 | 2:19:20 | |
Well, I think the artist's job at any time in any society is, | 2:19:22 | 2:19:26 | |
I mean, a real cliche of putting a mirror up to society. | 2:19:26 | 2:19:29 | |
I love that Scotland is going through an extraordinary period right now, | 2:19:29 | 2:19:32 | |
where people are debating, discussing, arguing the toss | 2:19:32 | 2:19:35 | |
in pubs and clubs and workplaces around the country, | 2:19:35 | 2:19:38 | |
and if we, the performing artists or visual artists or novelists, | 2:19:38 | 2:19:42 | |
can embody that with a little bit more clarity, aye. | 2:19:42 | 2:19:46 | |
I'd like to think we're going to make a difference. | 2:19:46 | 2:19:48 | |
What if Scotland votes yes? | 2:19:48 | 2:19:49 | |
-SHE GASPS -Jings, crivens, help ma Boab, son. | 2:19:49 | 2:19:53 | |
Well, Bogle, do you see all of this... | 2:19:53 | 2:19:55 | |
Tartan. | 2:19:55 | 2:19:56 | |
Heather. | 2:19:56 | 2:19:58 | |
Braveheart. | 2:19:58 | 2:19:59 | |
Bagpipes. | 2:19:59 | 2:20:00 | |
Tunnock's tea cakes! | 2:20:00 | 2:20:01 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:20:01 | 2:20:03 | |
In The Pure, The Dead And The Brilliant, | 2:20:03 | 2:20:06 | |
playwright Alan Bissett imagines how Scotland's mythical creatures | 2:20:06 | 2:20:09 | |
would feel about the referendum. | 2:20:09 | 2:20:11 | |
Scotland will have become...real! | 2:20:11 | 2:20:15 | |
Too real for us, son. | 2:20:15 | 2:20:19 | |
They decide to campaign on behalf of a No vote | 2:20:19 | 2:20:23 | |
and use various enchantments and spells. It's a comedy, | 2:20:23 | 2:20:27 | |
but underneath it, you know, | 2:20:27 | 2:20:28 | |
there's serious questions being asked. | 2:20:28 | 2:20:31 | |
Do you think that there appear to be more people | 2:20:31 | 2:20:33 | |
in the creative community prepared to say | 2:20:33 | 2:20:35 | |
that they support independence than there are | 2:20:35 | 2:20:38 | |
those who say they support the United Kingdom? | 2:20:38 | 2:20:41 | |
I think it's fair to say that there are more people | 2:20:41 | 2:20:43 | |
in the creative community who are voting Yes. | 2:20:43 | 2:20:47 | |
If you look at the nature of what artists do, | 2:20:47 | 2:20:49 | |
we're interested in risk and experimentation | 2:20:49 | 2:20:53 | |
and doing things anew, | 2:20:53 | 2:20:56 | |
which is really what independence is about, actually. | 2:20:56 | 2:20:59 | |
Loud voices in favour of a No vote are much harder to come by. | 2:21:03 | 2:21:07 | |
Author Denise Mina, who will be appearing at the book festival, | 2:21:07 | 2:21:11 | |
is concerned about the decibel level of the Yes campaign. | 2:21:11 | 2:21:15 | |
I had to come out as a No voter, | 2:21:15 | 2:21:17 | |
because people were quoting me as if I supported the Yes campaign. | 2:21:17 | 2:21:23 | |
So I was forced to out myself. I had to say to them, | 2:21:23 | 2:21:25 | |
"I'm a No voter. Leave me alone." | 2:21:25 | 2:21:27 | |
I mean, artists make terrible pundits, because, you know, | 2:21:27 | 2:21:30 | |
you get trapped in this pundits' conundrum, | 2:21:30 | 2:21:32 | |
where you're on a stage discussing the world economy | 2:21:32 | 2:21:34 | |
over the next 15 years, and you're a portrait painter. | 2:21:34 | 2:21:37 | |
You don't know what you're talking about. | 2:21:37 | 2:21:39 | |
Why do you think it seems that the majority of | 2:21:39 | 2:21:42 | |
the creative community is for a Yes vote? | 2:21:42 | 2:21:45 | |
I think it is that the Yes vote is more vocal. | 2:21:45 | 2:21:48 | |
They're pushing for change. | 2:21:48 | 2:21:50 | |
It's very hard to argue for the status quo. | 2:21:50 | 2:21:52 | |
The status quo is not sexy, it's not interesting, | 2:21:52 | 2:21:55 | |
and I kind of worry that there is a bit of a consensus, | 2:21:55 | 2:21:58 | |
and consensus is never good in the arts. | 2:21:58 | 2:22:00 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, | 2:22:00 | 2:22:02 | |
please welcome to the stage Erich McElroy! | 2:22:02 | 2:22:04 | |
CHEERING | 2:22:04 | 2:22:06 | |
American Erich McElroy is one comedian on the fringe | 2:22:06 | 2:22:09 | |
taking a definite No stance... | 2:22:09 | 2:22:11 | |
Hello! | 2:22:11 | 2:22:12 | |
..in his show, The British Referendum. | 2:22:12 | 2:22:15 | |
Emigrating here and having gotten my British passport in 2007, | 2:22:15 | 2:22:18 | |
I feel a connection to being British. | 2:22:18 | 2:22:19 | |
So I saw this as 10% of the country being torn away. | 2:22:19 | 2:22:23 | |
You know, you would notice if 10% of you was torn away. | 2:22:23 | 2:22:26 | |
Although I could probably use 10% of me torn away! | 2:22:26 | 2:22:29 | |
So, that seemed to have an impact. | 2:22:29 | 2:22:31 | |
It's not actually the first time I've done a show like this. | 2:22:31 | 2:22:34 | |
I actually did a show during the Crimea referendum, | 2:22:34 | 2:22:36 | |
and that turned out really well(!) | 2:22:36 | 2:22:38 | |
You're almost dropping a kind of hand grenade | 2:22:38 | 2:22:40 | |
in the kind of creative, as it were, establishment, | 2:22:40 | 2:22:42 | |
who are supporting the Yes campaign. | 2:22:42 | 2:22:44 | |
It seems so. | 2:22:44 | 2:22:46 | |
I didn't realise that I would become what appears to be | 2:22:46 | 2:22:48 | |
the only No comedy show of the festival. | 2:22:48 | 2:22:50 | |
I've been surprised to see how much the Yes side seems to be | 2:22:50 | 2:22:54 | |
in the artistic community, or that people who feel No | 2:22:54 | 2:22:57 | |
don't feel like they can come forward, for some reason. | 2:22:57 | 2:22:59 | |
Outside of Scotland, some surprising names have backed | 2:23:03 | 2:23:06 | |
the Better Together campaign, from Eddie Izzard | 2:23:06 | 2:23:09 | |
to Trinny and Susannah. | 2:23:09 | 2:23:11 | |
David Bowie even asked Scotland to stay with us. | 2:23:14 | 2:23:17 | |
The inspiration behind David Greig's All Back To Bowie's, | 2:23:17 | 2:23:20 | |
a lunchtime variety show supposedly set in the singer's penthouse. | 2:23:20 | 2:23:25 | |
I feel we should ask you the very, very important question | 2:23:25 | 2:23:27 | |
and find out whether you are Yes or No. | 2:23:27 | 2:23:30 | |
And that question is... | 2:23:31 | 2:23:33 | |
Do you agree that David Bowie should be pronounced "BOUGH-ie"? | 2:23:33 | 2:23:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 2:23:38 | 2:23:40 | |
But why have so few of Edinburgh's performers | 2:23:40 | 2:23:42 | |
been willing to announce themselves as No voters? | 2:23:42 | 2:23:46 | |
Is it that people feel that they're going to be somehow demonised, | 2:23:46 | 2:23:49 | |
that it is somehow less noble to be supporting | 2:23:49 | 2:23:52 | |
the idea of the United Kingdom? | 2:23:52 | 2:23:54 | |
I think that's actually a mask for the fact that the No campaign | 2:23:54 | 2:23:58 | |
don't have many artists and creative types they can call upon. | 2:23:58 | 2:24:02 | |
For whatever reason, they might feel that | 2:24:02 | 2:24:04 | |
they are embarrassed by their own voting intention, | 2:24:04 | 2:24:08 | |
or that they don't want to have to defend it publicly, | 2:24:08 | 2:24:13 | |
and they use this idea that, | 2:24:13 | 2:24:15 | |
"Oh, we're too intimidated to come out and speak." | 2:24:15 | 2:24:18 | |
But there is a danger that the tenor of that debate becomes ugly. | 2:24:18 | 2:24:23 | |
Yeah, yeah, for sure. | 2:24:23 | 2:24:24 | |
But people care very passionately about these things. | 2:24:24 | 2:24:27 | |
The author JK Rowling has given £1 million | 2:24:28 | 2:24:31 | |
to the campaign against Scottish independence. | 2:24:31 | 2:24:34 | |
The Harry Potter creator's support of the Better Together campaign | 2:24:34 | 2:24:37 | |
led to a barrage of abuse | 2:24:37 | 2:24:39 | |
from the vast virtual debating hall that is Twitter. | 2:24:39 | 2:24:43 | |
People who cannot participate in political debate | 2:24:43 | 2:24:45 | |
have taken over a lot of the ground. | 2:24:45 | 2:24:48 | |
They get straight on Twitter and start swearing at people. | 2:24:48 | 2:24:50 | |
This is on both sides. | 2:24:50 | 2:24:52 | |
And they will never, ever forgive you. | 2:24:52 | 2:24:55 | |
As an artist, though, does it silence you, the threat of it? | 2:24:55 | 2:24:58 | |
It certainly makes you wary. | 2:24:58 | 2:24:59 | |
You think, I don't want to offend people. | 2:24:59 | 2:25:01 | |
Now, the problem with an adversarial interaction is, it is reductive. | 2:25:01 | 2:25:05 | |
It shaves off all the areas of nuance, | 2:25:05 | 2:25:07 | |
it shaves off all the dog-leg areas, | 2:25:07 | 2:25:10 | |
and to arrive at a blunt conclusion, which is Yes, or No, who won? | 2:25:10 | 2:25:13 | |
Now, the adverts. | 2:25:13 | 2:25:15 | |
UK! | 2:25:15 | 2:25:17 | |
OK. | 2:25:17 | 2:25:19 | |
That's it. That's all they've got, right? | 2:25:19 | 2:25:21 | |
Have you any concern that it's such a sort of polarising affair, | 2:25:21 | 2:25:25 | |
it doesn't seem to be very nuanced? | 2:25:25 | 2:25:28 | |
At least in some areas, it's not very nuanced. | 2:25:28 | 2:25:30 | |
Yeah, I think they're putting people off by saying too much Yes and No, | 2:25:30 | 2:25:33 | |
or too much attacking with, | 2:25:33 | 2:25:34 | |
I've got stats that counter yours, and then we'll counter these stats, | 2:25:34 | 2:25:37 | |
and people are just shutting down and getting sick of it. | 2:25:37 | 2:25:40 | |
I'm hoping that shows like mine can pierce that a little bit, | 2:25:40 | 2:25:42 | |
because again, that's the strength that humour has. | 2:25:42 | 2:25:45 | |
UPBEAT JAZZY MUSIC | 2:25:45 | 2:25:47 | |
The temperature of the referendum debate may now be rising, | 2:25:50 | 2:25:53 | |
and it's certainly got the creative community talking. | 2:25:53 | 2:25:57 | |
Freedom! | 2:25:57 | 2:25:58 | |
CHEERING | 2:25:58 | 2:26:00 | |
Most people, I think, are thinking about politics in whole new ways. | 2:26:00 | 2:26:04 | |
The fact that we're even talking about | 2:26:04 | 2:26:06 | |
what the arts should and shouldn't do in politics is a move forward. | 2:26:06 | 2:26:09 | |
You can't say it isn't, because we wouldn't be having this discussion | 2:26:09 | 2:26:12 | |
if it wasn't for the referendum. | 2:26:12 | 2:26:14 | |
There is an energy, there's a dynamic, | 2:26:14 | 2:26:16 | |
going on in this country right now, and if that's reflected on any level | 2:26:16 | 2:26:19 | |
whatsoever creatively during the Edinburgh festival, then we all win. | 2:26:19 | 2:26:23 | |
We all win. | 2:26:23 | 2:26:24 | |
It's really, really exciting. | 2:26:24 | 2:26:25 | |
# Pretty baby, is it yes or no? # | 2:26:25 | 2:26:32 | |
Denise Mina and Alan Bissett will be appearing | 2:26:38 | 2:26:40 | |
at the Edinburgh International Book Festival later this month. | 2:26:40 | 2:26:43 | |
Do join me again next Sunday for an interview with | 2:26:43 | 2:26:46 | |
creator of Game Of Thrones, George RR Martin, | 2:26:46 | 2:26:49 | |
Professor Mary Beard's guide to comedy in ancient Rome, | 2:26:49 | 2:26:52 | |
and Bruno Tonioli dancing his way around the fringe. | 2:26:52 | 2:26:56 | |
And you can see even more from the festivals on Edinburgh Nights | 2:26:56 | 2:26:59 | |
with Sue Perkins, next Friday night at ten o'clock on BBC Two. | 2:26:59 | 2:27:02 | |
And there's a new performance online every single day | 2:27:02 | 2:27:05 | |
at bbc.co.uk/edinburghfestivals | 2:27:05 | 2:27:10 | |
We leave you tonight with the beautiful sound of Song Of The Goat, | 2:27:10 | 2:27:13 | |
the award-winning Polish theatre company. | 2:27:13 | 2:27:15 | |
They are performing laments, psalms and songs of exile | 2:27:15 | 2:27:19 | |
inspired by ancient Scottish Gaelic traditions, | 2:27:19 | 2:27:22 | |
behind me at St Giles's Cathedral on the Royal Mile. | 2:27:22 | 2:27:25 | |
I bet you love this. Good night. | 2:27:25 | 2:27:28 | |
THEY SING CLOSE HARMONIES | 2:27:28 | 2:27:35 | |
# On the oak leaf I stand | 2:28:36 | 2:28:41 | |
# I ride on the filly that never was foaled | 2:28:41 | 2:28:47 | |
# And I carry the dead in my hand | 2:28:49 | 2:28:57 | |
# On the oak-leaf I stand | 2:29:04 | 2:29:07 | |
# I ride on the filly that never was foaled. # | 2:29:07 | 2:29:14 |