Film news and reviews. Claudia Winkleman talks to Steven Spielberg about his film, Lincoln. Danny Leigh reviews Zero Dark Thirty and Catherine Bray lists her top 5 movie mothers.
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Coming up: Hail to the chief, Steven Spielberg
talk about his new film, Lincoln. I like our chances now.
Hunting Bin Laden, Jessica Chastain stars in Zero Dark Thirty. I'm not
your friend, I'm not going to help you, I'm going to break you.
He's back, Schwarzenegger returns in The Last Stand. How are you
Sheriff? Old! Plus, we have the Top Five Movie Mother. First up Steven
Spielberg's Lincoln, it stars Daniel Day-Lewis and is nominated
for 12 Oscars. Mr Lincoln, I hate them all, I do, I'm a prejudiced
man. Congress must never declare equal those whom God created
unequal. You are going to try to pass the
amendment to abolish slavery, no- one has as much in the people as
you, don't waste that power. chose to tell the story about one
of the little known events in American history, about the fight
to pass the 13th amendment to abolish slavery. To explore that
story in as much detail as we felt it deserved, we counted on the
audiences for Lincoln to supply the now universal understanding that
slavery was horrific, the same way we count on the audiences'
awareness of the horrific Civil War. We will win the war, it is enI have
table. It ain't won yet. You will begin your second term with semi-
divine statisticture, imagine what peace will bring, why tarnish the
battle luster with a battle in the Congress. It is the same hacks that
rejected it ten months ago, we will lose. I like our chances now.
you began to think about the subject that you are taking on in
the case of Lincoln, you would never get out of bed, would you let
somebody else do it T I think you create for yourself a certain
irremember regins. It is not disrespectable, dr irreverence, it
is not disrespectable but necessary to do the work. We focused on the
last four months of his life, because we wanted today show
Lincoln accomplishing something great, that was abolishing slavery
and ending the Civil War. Come February the 1st, I intend to sign
the 13th amendment. We are coming to oppose peace. Abolishing slavery
settles the fate of millions in bondage, and unborn millions to
come. It is either the amendment or confederate peace. Slavery is death.
It is interesting that it is Spenceful even though you know what
Spenceful even though you know what will happen. I had that feeling
when I was writing it, it is dramatic, democracy is a dramatic
process. We wanted to include Lincoln's family dynamic, only in
the moments it actually collided with the public events that this
whole story is about. You think I'm ignorant of what you are up to
because you haven't discussed this scheme with me as you ought to have
done, when have I been so easily balm boozeled, I believe you when
you insist amending the constitution and abolishing slavery
will end the war. Since you are end sending my son into war, woe unto
you if you fail to pass the amendment. Seward doesn't want me
leaving big muddy footprints all over town. No-one has every lived
who knows better than you the proper placement of foot falls on
treacherous paths. Seward can't do it, you must, because if you fail
the the necessary votes -- you fail to acquire the necessary votes, woe
unto you, circumstance you answer to me. It was her incyst tense that
he was brilliant, and she would never let up on that, and telling
him how brilliant he is, and what he was going to do. She never had
any doubt that he was going to be President, and he was going to
change the world. He was so open, and that was one of the most
beautiful surprises of getting to know him. Was how insanely
accessible that man was, at a time when it was physically very
dangerous, in his case, to be accessible. Think of all the boys
who will die if you make peace. can't end this war until we cure
ourselves of slavery, this amendment is that cure. We need two
yeses. Get out and get them. How? I'm the President of the United
States, clothed in immense power, you will procure me these votes.
Lincoln certainly guided the country through the worst crisis in
the entire history, more than any other single person he helped the
United States to survive. Doing this he helped the idea of
democracy, as a viable political system to survive. And more than
any other single person, Lincoln helped end slavery. Today we will
What did you think? The challenge for Steven Spielberg was to not
take a $07 million museum exhibit. I don't think he has, it is a
little bit polite and respectable. There are a lot of well-loved
actors in historically authentic facial hair. It is absorbing, and
not quite the movie people expect it to be. I totally agree, it is
Daniel Day-Lewis, it is about a hero, who Steven Spielberg himself
says he was obsessed by from the age of four. It is Spielberg, John
Williams, it will be rousing, there will be moments where they want you
to stand up and weep. It is not like that, I felt everyone
underplayed, definitely Daniel Day- Lewis, and Spielberg, it is three
hours of men talking. But I loved it. I could have watched another
three hours. It is a less pithy West Wing. It is about politics and
I found it deeply interesting. I liked that it wasn't sentimental?
will agree with you. It is a much smaller movie than people might
expect. Most of the action takes place around drawing room tables.
You are right, there is an absence of rousing speeches, it is about
the dirty work of politics, really. I think it is a sturdy film about
politics and a politician, and you don't feel like you will be grabbed
by the shoulders and led into the grift shop afterwards. Lots of
people say it is a bit of a bore, "painfully dull, a badly performed
film". Someone else says that Day- Lewis is full of ease and charisma,
and Spielberg's best. Let's talk about Daniel Day-Lewis? Let's talk
about Spielberg first. I have to be honest and say I think's a great
film maker. He has a career-long smaltz problem. I think here he has
it under control. If I was going to be picky, I would mention the John
Williams sko, I wish it could be turned down or scurgically removed.
It gets everywhere. If Spielberg is showing you a battlefield with dead
bodies, you don't need the mournful orchestra to see that. It is a
great film. In terms of Daniel Day- Lewis, we almost risk taking him
for granted, what he does here is phenomenal, really, he does that
thing which actors talk about a lot, I have very rarely seen, he
disappears inside the character. If you look at Meryl Streep, in the
Iron Lady, it is a comparable role, it is a great performance, but you
are aware of a great performance going on. Here you are unaware of
the performance, Day-Lewis Louis isn't there any more, it's
unnerving, it is like an old photograph coming to life. There is
not another actor alive who could do what he does here. I feel I
shouldn't have said that, someone is getting the stove pipe hat and
beard ready. He is brilliant. It is worth mentions Tommy Lee Jones and
Sally Field, across the bored? There is not a duff performance. As
an actor's film it is great. Kathryn Bigelow directs Zero Dark
Thirty, the story of the decade- long hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
You really believe this story? Osama Bin Laden. Yeah. What part
convinced you? Her confidence. Zero Dark Thirty chronicles the
hunt for Osama Bin Laden, that look place over ten years, from 9/11
2001, to May 21st2011. My character is working in the CIA as a targeter,
she finds a lead that will lead her to the compound and Bin Laden. Many
people doubt her, but she stays on it until the very end. There are
two narratives about the location of Osama Bin Laden, the one that
you are most familiar with is that UBL is hide anything a cave in the
tribal areas, and surrounded by a large contingent of loyal fighters,
but that narrative is pre-9/11 understanding of UBL. Mya, is
somebody that gives up everything in her life for this mission. She
believes she was chosen for this, that she was called to do this. It
take as fanatical behaviour to catch a fanatic. This woman was
fascinating to me, I was surprised that I was surprised that there
were so many women who work in intelligence. The more research I
was doing in women in the CIA, they have been trained to be unemotional
and analytically precise. If she appears to be an emotional person,
no-one will believe anything she says. Third floor, north-east
corner. You don't think she's a little young for the hard stuff.
Washington says she's a killer. writer, who wrote The Hurt Locker,
comes from an investigative journalist background. He prides
himself on the reality of the facts, as much as possible. But what that
then does is not incorporate any back story. If you think of the The
Hurt Locker, we didn't find out much about the guy, we were with
them doing what they were doing, the same is true of Mya, you don't
find out about her past were she comes from, or who she is. All you
are really concerned with is her relentless drive to capture this
guy. Bin Laden is the one who keeps telling them to...When I first go
to a script, I make two lists, one list is everything my character
says about herself, the second thing is everyone else says about
her n those lists there is clues everywhere.
Can I be honest with you? I am bad news. I'm not sure friend, I'm not
going to help you, I'm going to break you.
Any questions? Do people really think that Kathryn Bigelow and Mark
Bole will make a movie that says torture is a good thing. To have
omitted harsh tactics or the detainee programme, as part of that
ten-year journey, would have been whitewashing history. It was very
important to us to keep all the elements of the story intact. The
fact that depiction is some how conflated with being pro--something,
is extremely -- pro-something, is extremely confusing to me. We lay
out the story as it exist, it in no way articulates one's endorsement
of T personal lie I think it is reprehensible, and that is the take
away of the film. You will never find him.
He's one of the disappeared ones. It is no good that I want to swear,
I won't, go ahead? Don't swear, we will end up in a situation! Zero
Dark Thirty has been so smothered in controversy, you feel like you
have to give it two reviews, you have to review the film and the
controversy. As cinema I think this is staggering. There is a lot going
on here which I think is knocking on for flawless. You have a
thriller, where going in will know the ending in the simplest terms,
and yet you are gripped and transfixed, it is a movie that
takes you by the scruff of the neck and doesn't let go. In the last 30,
40 minutes it becomes an action movey, it is a masterclass of an
action movey, it doesn't put a shot wrong. We are talking about this at
a time when TV is supposed to have overtaken movies, and we are
supposed to sit at home and watch the box sets rather than the cinema.
This is a reminder of what cinema can be. There are programmes out
there with similar subject matter, it makes Homeland look like
Hollyoaks. I should watch more Hollyoaks! Watching that clip again
makes me want to watch it. When it finished I wanted more. It trips
you up all the time. She did it also in the The Hurt Locker, just
when you think we are going down this route, or maybe there will be
a Roman, maybe she will do this or this, every single time it pulls
you up. It goes, no, this is not what's happening. Jessica Chastain
is phenomenal in it. It is a thriller, I'm going to read out
some tweets. Jay is trying to come up with a new word to describe it
"overrated", that is not true. Another viewer says it is a triumph,
some of the most arresting and breath-taking cinema. Eerie, wasn't
it. Chas chats chas is fan it is a -- Jessica Chastain is fantastic,
and it is interesting talking about her in the same week as Daniel Day-
Lewis. We know that he's making a believable human out of a
historical film, Jessica Chastain has to take a character and make a
story out of no back story. We have to talk about a cold and troubling
film about cold and troubling event. Is it pro-torture, people will have
to make their own minds up. From my side, is it pro-torture, throw
another question back, does it show torture working? I don't think it
does, it is the portrait of a botch job. The CIA took ten years to
track one man down. This film doesn't shy away from the
incompetence, and torture didn't deliver results and it ruined
America's reputation in the process. We have to ask are these people
heros, including Jessica Chastain. As well as a great thriller and
action movie, it is a great revenge story. Like all revenge stories the
Searchers, Straw Dogs, Dead Man Shoes, you are feeling uneasy and
queasy, and you don't know what taking revenge has taken out of the
people responsible. What I do have a problem is in calling it
journalism, this isn't journalism, they have made a mistake doing,
that but it is a great movie. Welcome Katherine. Hello. I know I
said this, not recently, quite recently, this is the best top five
ever. Top *Five Mothers. There is so many, all amplified. Why have
you chosen it this week? It is a tribute to Sally Field, who have we
have been talking about Lincoln, the ultimate movie mother. She has
a film out this week. What's number five? Number five we have the
formidable Angel Lansbury performance in The Manchurian
Candidate, she is just probably the most evil person on this list.
Let's take a look at her. This is a clip.
But now we have come almost to the end. One last step. And then when I
take power they will be pulled down and ground into dirt for what they
did to you. And what they did in so con temptously underestimating me.
That is all together eerie? One of the greatest pleasures in life is
take people who have only seen Angel Lansbury in Murder She Wrote,
and showing her in Chanderpaul. That is the her The Manchurian
Candidate. That is her with her son for those who don't know it. There
is a link isn't there? The role of number four Angel Lansbury was
interested in playing. At number four here is to her, Mrs Robinson,
it is Anne Bancroft in The Graduate. This is the most brilliant clip, we
could watch it all day. In your head put in Angela! Oh God. Let me
out. Don't be nervous. Get away from that door. I want to say
something first. Jesus Christ. want to know I'm available to you,
if you won't sleep with me this time, you can call me any time you
want and we will make an arrangement. Do you understand.
me out. Do you understand? Yet yes, let me out. I find you very
attractive. The best thing is the noise he makes, it's like, make it
stop. It is so terrible for Anne Bancroft, Dustin Hoffman is six
years younger than her. She has to say she's twice his age. He has a
side parting, that will take years off. The next clip is my all-time
favourite, it makes me cry. next one is traumatic, it is a film
I first saw when I was three, it still upsets me just as much now.
It is Mrs Jumbo in Dumb bow. # Baby mind
# Don't you cry # Baby mind
# Dry your eyes # Rest your head
# Close to my heart Do you know what I love about the
clip, when we showed it earlier, all the cool boys behind the
cameras, who were like, all right Claudia, eating cookies, scratching
their heads, were like sniffing and cute mum! Disney know this stuff,
if you are a mother in a Disney film you are ending up dead,
separated or something awful. is number two, a fantastic one?
is another horrible one, I'm afraid. You know me. Here we have Kenneth
Whiteside played by Piper Laurie in stef -- Laurie White played by
Piper Laurie in the Stephen King movie Carrie. He's not gonna come.
Stop it momma. Stop hurting yourself momma.
He's gonna laugh, they are all going to laugh at you. They are not
going to laugh at me. It is not too late, you can stay with me. I don't
want to stay with you momma. I will answer the door and tell them that
you are sick and you changed your mind. Sit down and be quiet. Can I
say I watched that a bit too young, even still now, I'm not ready, I'm
not grown up, even though I'm 74? It is one of the most banned books
in high schools, apparently. that true, I didn't know that.
we talk about Twitter world? Interestingly there is a lot of
unanimity, an awful lot of Jackie Weaver in Animal Kingdom, and
Aliens, and the Psycho conundrum, nor man and Mrs Bates. For the life
action ones I wanted actual actresses, exempt for Dumbo. Julian
Moore, the film she's in is out this year. Number one, did you know
it would be number one? I did, not agreeing for form's sake, this is
genuinely, this one is head and shoulders above all the rest for me.
There can be no other contender it is Sarah Connor, from Terminator 2.
Men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you messed it up.
You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really
create something. To create a life. To feel it growing inside you, all
you know how to create is death and destruction. Mom, mom! We need to
be a little more constructive here, OK! She is the coolest of all time.
It is such an evolution, we have seen her in the first time, this is
what being a mother has done to her, that and the threat of nuclear war.
That will do it! Who is your favourite? It is a great list, I
have no problem with it. It is David Lynch's birthday, it might
have been nice to have Wild At Hard, with Diane Ladd, she plays her
real-life daughter, Laura Dern's mother, as a monstrosity, that is a
movie mum. What is the next top five? It is sequels, I'm looking
forward to it. Aliens, otherwise we will have a fight. Predator 12.
is ten years, everybody will be happy, he's back, Arnie stars in
The Last Stand. There is the elephant right there,
boys. I thought he wasn't working today.
Hey ray, how you doing. Good to see you. You looking jacked, you been
working out. Give me that damn thing. It is an
underdog story where I play basically a Sheriff that has just
come back to his home town to spent the last few years in my home town,
and then retire. When all of a sudden this town gets hit by
violent criminals. Sure, the FBI, I have a violent
criminal making a run for the Mexican border. A couple of
truckers stopped in town, there is something off about them. Complete
your mission. Get me across that border. Something big is going on
here. I want a roadblock right here, right now.
I picked this movie because it was fantastic script. The story was
great, it had intensity, drama, it had a lot of action, which I love,
and which my fans expect me to deliver. It is, without any doubt,
a tense action movie. But, with Comic Relief. The FBI says there is
an escaped fugutive heading our way. When it rains it pours. I'm not
going to let that guy come through our town without a fight. How will
we come up against all that fire power? I got an idea.
I was back in an action movie where from the beginning to the end I was
punching, I was shooting. I was running, I was climbing. I was
kicked, I was beaten, and I was in cars and crashing into cars.
the hell are you? I am eight Sheriff.
It was from the beginning to the end. All action. It was
unbelievable. How are you Sheriff? Old!
They are selling this as the any comeback movie, and a lot of
shoppers will check carefully the contents of their burgers this week,
people should know there are limited quantities of
Schwarzenegger in this movie. Maybe he's at a certain age where the
action stuff isn't doable, or maybe he has better things to do. This is
the kind of movie where you think the golf clubs are out of shot. He
goes missing for long periods of time. It leaves the movie with
space to fill. The movie tries to do that by, Johnny Knoxville, and
it even has a go at becoming another Fast And The Furious, the
Pablo Esqobar, drug Lord who he's coming up against, is also a
champion racing drama, competing in South America under an assumed name.
Forest Whitaker had the job of explaining that, and I haven't felt
so sorry for an actor. Often you don't know you have missed
something until it is become, mouse saki, give it a Government any,
welcome. He is the colour of teak. I can only dream about being that
colour. He's a mountain, he can't move any more, because he's full of
foetus, I don't know what he's full of! He's walking along, nothing
makes sense, give me the keys, somebody gets in the bus, nobody is
in town, nothing, but it is also about 40 minutes long, the other
films we have done are three-and-a- half. The things that don't make
sense, why does a small two-horse town in Arizona have a 65-year-old
huge as youry ian for the Sheriff. Film of the week? Zero Dark Thirty
Lincoln for me. Next week we are back on Tuesday, who knew! He
earlier time of 11.25 we will review Hyde Park On Hudson. Michael
Claudia Winkleman talks to director Steven Spielberg about his latest film Lincoln, starring Daniel Day Lewis. Plus a review of Katherine Bigelow's Oscar-nominated Zero Dark Thirty. Catherine Bray reveals her Top 5 movie mothers and - it may have been a decade, but he is back - Arnold Schwarzenegger stars in The Last Stand.