Episode 3 Film 2013


Episode 3

Film news and reviews. Claudia Winkleman talks to Steven Spielberg about his film, Lincoln. Danny Leigh reviews Zero Dark Thirty and Catherine Bray lists her top 5 movie mothers.


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Hello and welcome with Claudia Winkleman and Danny Leigh. Tweet

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wore e-mail, the details are on the screen now.

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Coming up: Hail to the chief, Steven Spielberg

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talk about his new film, Lincoln. I like our chances now.

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Hunting Bin Laden, Jessica Chastain stars in Zero Dark Thirty. I'm not

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your friend, I'm not going to help you, I'm going to break you.

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He's back, Schwarzenegger returns in The Last Stand. How are you

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Sheriff? Old! Plus, we have the Top Five Movie Mother. First up Steven

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Spielberg's Lincoln, it stars Daniel Day-Lewis and is nominated

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for 12 Oscars. Mr Lincoln, I hate them all, I do, I'm a prejudiced

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man. Congress must never declare equal those whom God created

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unequal. You are going to try to pass the

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amendment to abolish slavery, no- one has as much in the people as

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you, don't waste that power. chose to tell the story about one

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of the little known events in American history, about the fight

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to pass the 13th amendment to abolish slavery. To explore that

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story in as much detail as we felt it deserved, we counted on the

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audiences for Lincoln to supply the now universal understanding that

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slavery was horrific, the same way we count on the audiences'

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awareness of the horrific Civil War. We will win the war, it is enI have

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table. It ain't won yet. You will begin your second term with semi-

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divine statisticture, imagine what peace will bring, why tarnish the

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battle luster with a battle in the Congress. It is the same hacks that

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rejected it ten months ago, we will lose. I like our chances now.

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you began to think about the subject that you are taking on in

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the case of Lincoln, you would never get out of bed, would you let

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somebody else do it T I think you create for yourself a certain

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irremember regins. It is not disrespectable, dr irreverence, it

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is not disrespectable but necessary to do the work. We focused on the

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last four months of his life, because we wanted today show

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Lincoln accomplishing something great, that was abolishing slavery

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and ending the Civil War. Come February the 1st, I intend to sign

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the 13th amendment. We are coming to oppose peace. Abolishing slavery

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settles the fate of millions in bondage, and unborn millions to

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come. It is either the amendment or confederate peace. Slavery is death.

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It is interesting that it is Spenceful even though you know what

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Spenceful even though you know what will happen. I had that feeling

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when I was writing it, it is dramatic, democracy is a dramatic

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process. We wanted to include Lincoln's family dynamic, only in

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the moments it actually collided with the public events that this

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whole story is about. You think I'm ignorant of what you are up to

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because you haven't discussed this scheme with me as you ought to have

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done, when have I been so easily balm boozeled, I believe you when

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you insist amending the constitution and abolishing slavery

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will end the war. Since you are end sending my son into war, woe unto

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you if you fail to pass the amendment. Seward doesn't want me

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leaving big muddy footprints all over town. No-one has every lived

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who knows better than you the proper placement of foot falls on

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treacherous paths. Seward can't do it, you must, because if you fail

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the the necessary votes -- you fail to acquire the necessary votes, woe

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unto you, circumstance you answer to me. It was her incyst tense that

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he was brilliant, and she would never let up on that, and telling

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him how brilliant he is, and what he was going to do. She never had

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any doubt that he was going to be President, and he was going to

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change the world. He was so open, and that was one of the most

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beautiful surprises of getting to know him. Was how insanely

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accessible that man was, at a time when it was physically very

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dangerous, in his case, to be accessible. Think of all the boys

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who will die if you make peace. can't end this war until we cure

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ourselves of slavery, this amendment is that cure. We need two

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yeses. Get out and get them. How? I'm the President of the United

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States, clothed in immense power, you will procure me these votes.

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Lincoln certainly guided the country through the worst crisis in

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the entire history, more than any other single person he helped the

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United States to survive. Doing this he helped the idea of

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democracy, as a viable political system to survive. And more than

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any other single person, Lincoln helped end slavery. Today we will

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What did you think? The challenge for Steven Spielberg was to not

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take a $07 million museum exhibit. I don't think he has, it is a

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little bit polite and respectable. There are a lot of well-loved

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actors in historically authentic facial hair. It is absorbing, and

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not quite the movie people expect it to be. I totally agree, it is

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Daniel Day-Lewis, it is about a hero, who Steven Spielberg himself

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says he was obsessed by from the age of four. It is Spielberg, John

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Williams, it will be rousing, there will be moments where they want you

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to stand up and weep. It is not like that, I felt everyone

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underplayed, definitely Daniel Day- Lewis, and Spielberg, it is three

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hours of men talking. But I loved it. I could have watched another

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three hours. It is a less pithy West Wing. It is about politics and

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I found it deeply interesting. I liked that it wasn't sentimental?

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will agree with you. It is a much smaller movie than people might

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expect. Most of the action takes place around drawing room tables.

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You are right, there is an absence of rousing speeches, it is about

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the dirty work of politics, really. I think it is a sturdy film about

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politics and a politician, and you don't feel like you will be grabbed

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by the shoulders and led into the grift shop afterwards. Lots of

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people say it is a bit of a bore, "painfully dull, a badly performed

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film". Someone else says that Day- Lewis is full of ease and charisma,

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and Spielberg's best. Let's talk about Daniel Day-Lewis? Let's talk

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about Spielberg first. I have to be honest and say I think's a great

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film maker. He has a career-long smaltz problem. I think here he has

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it under control. If I was going to be picky, I would mention the John

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Williams sko, I wish it could be turned down or scurgically removed.

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It gets everywhere. If Spielberg is showing you a battlefield with dead

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bodies, you don't need the mournful orchestra to see that. It is a

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great film. In terms of Daniel Day- Lewis, we almost risk taking him

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for granted, what he does here is phenomenal, really, he does that

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thing which actors talk about a lot, I have very rarely seen, he

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disappears inside the character. If you look at Meryl Streep, in the

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Iron Lady, it is a comparable role, it is a great performance, but you

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are aware of a great performance going on. Here you are unaware of

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the performance, Day-Lewis Louis isn't there any more, it's

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unnerving, it is like an old photograph coming to life. There is

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not another actor alive who could do what he does here. I feel I

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shouldn't have said that, someone is getting the stove pipe hat and

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beard ready. He is brilliant. It is worth mentions Tommy Lee Jones and

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Sally Field, across the bored? There is not a duff performance. As

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an actor's film it is great. Kathryn Bigelow directs Zero Dark

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Thirty, the story of the decade- long hunt for Osama Bin Laden.

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You really believe this story? Osama Bin Laden. Yeah. What part

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convinced you? Her confidence. Zero Dark Thirty chronicles the

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hunt for Osama Bin Laden, that look place over ten years, from 9/11

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2001, to May 21st2011. My character is working in the CIA as a targeter,

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she finds a lead that will lead her to the compound and Bin Laden. Many

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people doubt her, but she stays on it until the very end. There are

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two narratives about the location of Osama Bin Laden, the one that

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you are most familiar with is that UBL is hide anything a cave in the

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tribal areas, and surrounded by a large contingent of loyal fighters,

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but that narrative is pre-9/11 understanding of UBL. Mya, is

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somebody that gives up everything in her life for this mission. She

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believes she was chosen for this, that she was called to do this. It

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take as fanatical behaviour to catch a fanatic. This woman was

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fascinating to me, I was surprised that I was surprised that there

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were so many women who work in intelligence. The more research I

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was doing in women in the CIA, they have been trained to be unemotional

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and analytically precise. If she appears to be an emotional person,

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no-one will believe anything she says. Third floor, north-east

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corner. You don't think she's a little young for the hard stuff.

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Washington says she's a killer. writer, who wrote The Hurt Locker,

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comes from an investigative journalist background. He prides

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himself on the reality of the facts, as much as possible. But what that

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then does is not incorporate any back story. If you think of the The

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Hurt Locker, we didn't find out much about the guy, we were with

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them doing what they were doing, the same is true of Mya, you don't

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find out about her past were she comes from, or who she is. All you

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are really concerned with is her relentless drive to capture this

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guy. Bin Laden is the one who keeps telling them to...When I first go

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to a script, I make two lists, one list is everything my character

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says about herself, the second thing is everyone else says about

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her n those lists there is clues everywhere.

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Can I be honest with you? I am bad news. I'm not sure friend, I'm not

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going to help you, I'm going to break you.

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Any questions? Do people really think that Kathryn Bigelow and Mark

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Bole will make a movie that says torture is a good thing. To have

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omitted harsh tactics or the detainee programme, as part of that

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ten-year journey, would have been whitewashing history. It was very

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important to us to keep all the elements of the story intact. The

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fact that depiction is some how conflated with being pro--something,

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is extremely -- pro-something, is extremely confusing to me. We lay

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out the story as it exist, it in no way articulates one's endorsement

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of T personal lie I think it is reprehensible, and that is the take

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away of the film. You will never find him.

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He's one of the disappeared ones. It is no good that I want to swear,

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I won't, go ahead? Don't swear, we will end up in a situation! Zero

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Dark Thirty has been so smothered in controversy, you feel like you

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have to give it two reviews, you have to review the film and the

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controversy. As cinema I think this is staggering. There is a lot going

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on here which I think is knocking on for flawless. You have a

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thriller, where going in will know the ending in the simplest terms,

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and yet you are gripped and transfixed, it is a movie that

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takes you by the scruff of the neck and doesn't let go. In the last 30,

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40 minutes it becomes an action movey, it is a masterclass of an

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action movey, it doesn't put a shot wrong. We are talking about this at

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a time when TV is supposed to have overtaken movies, and we are

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supposed to sit at home and watch the box sets rather than the cinema.

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This is a reminder of what cinema can be. There are programmes out

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there with similar subject matter, it makes Homeland look like

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Hollyoaks. I should watch more Hollyoaks! Watching that clip again

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makes me want to watch it. When it finished I wanted more. It trips

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you up all the time. She did it also in the The Hurt Locker, just

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when you think we are going down this route, or maybe there will be

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a Roman, maybe she will do this or this, every single time it pulls

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you up. It goes, no, this is not what's happening. Jessica Chastain

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is phenomenal in it. It is a thriller, I'm going to read out

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some tweets. Jay is trying to come up with a new word to describe it

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"overrated", that is not true. Another viewer says it is a triumph,

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some of the most arresting and breath-taking cinema. Eerie, wasn't

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it. Chas chats chas is fan it is a -- Jessica Chastain is fantastic,

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and it is interesting talking about her in the same week as Daniel Day-

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Lewis. We know that he's making a believable human out of a

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historical film, Jessica Chastain has to take a character and make a

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story out of no back story. We have to talk about a cold and troubling

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film about cold and troubling event. Is it pro-torture, people will have

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to make their own minds up. From my side, is it pro-torture, throw

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another question back, does it show torture working? I don't think it

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does, it is the portrait of a botch job. The CIA took ten years to

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track one man down. This film doesn't shy away from the

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incompetence, and torture didn't deliver results and it ruined

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America's reputation in the process. We have to ask are these people

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heros, including Jessica Chastain. As well as a great thriller and

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action movie, it is a great revenge story. Like all revenge stories the

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Searchers, Straw Dogs, Dead Man Shoes, you are feeling uneasy and

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queasy, and you don't know what taking revenge has taken out of the

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people responsible. What I do have a problem is in calling it

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journalism, this isn't journalism, they have made a mistake doing,

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that but it is a great movie. Welcome Katherine. Hello. I know I

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said this, not recently, quite recently, this is the best top five

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ever. Top *Five Mothers. There is so many, all amplified. Why have

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you chosen it this week? It is a tribute to Sally Field, who have we

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have been talking about Lincoln, the ultimate movie mother. She has

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a film out this week. What's number five? Number five we have the

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formidable Angel Lansbury performance in The Manchurian

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Candidate, she is just probably the most evil person on this list.

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Let's take a look at her. This is a clip.

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But now we have come almost to the end. One last step. And then when I

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take power they will be pulled down and ground into dirt for what they

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did to you. And what they did in so con temptously underestimating me.

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That is all together eerie? One of the greatest pleasures in life is

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take people who have only seen Angel Lansbury in Murder She Wrote,

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and showing her in Chanderpaul. That is the her The Manchurian

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Candidate. That is her with her son for those who don't know it. There

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is a link isn't there? The role of number four Angel Lansbury was

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interested in playing. At number four here is to her, Mrs Robinson,

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it is Anne Bancroft in The Graduate. This is the most brilliant clip, we

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could watch it all day. In your head put in Angela! Oh God. Let me

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out. Don't be nervous. Get away from that door. I want to say

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something first. Jesus Christ. want to know I'm available to you,

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if you won't sleep with me this time, you can call me any time you

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want and we will make an arrangement. Do you understand.

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me out. Do you understand? Yet yes, let me out. I find you very

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attractive. The best thing is the noise he makes, it's like, make it

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stop. It is so terrible for Anne Bancroft, Dustin Hoffman is six

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years younger than her. She has to say she's twice his age. He has a

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side parting, that will take years off. The next clip is my all-time

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favourite, it makes me cry. next one is traumatic, it is a film

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I first saw when I was three, it still upsets me just as much now.

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It is Mrs Jumbo in Dumb bow. # Baby mind

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# Don't you cry # Baby mind

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# Dry your eyes # Rest your head

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# Close to my heart Do you know what I love about the

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clip, when we showed it earlier, all the cool boys behind the

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cameras, who were like, all right Claudia, eating cookies, scratching

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their heads, were like sniffing and cute mum! Disney know this stuff,

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if you are a mother in a Disney film you are ending up dead,

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separated or something awful. is number two, a fantastic one?

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is another horrible one, I'm afraid. You know me. Here we have Kenneth

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Whiteside played by Piper Laurie in stef -- Laurie White played by

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Piper Laurie in the Stephen King movie Carrie. He's not gonna come.

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Stop it momma. Stop hurting yourself momma.

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He's gonna laugh, they are all going to laugh at you. They are not

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going to laugh at me. It is not too late, you can stay with me. I don't

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want to stay with you momma. I will answer the door and tell them that

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you are sick and you changed your mind. Sit down and be quiet. Can I

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say I watched that a bit too young, even still now, I'm not ready, I'm

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not grown up, even though I'm 74? It is one of the most banned books

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in high schools, apparently. that true, I didn't know that.

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we talk about Twitter world? Interestingly there is a lot of

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unanimity, an awful lot of Jackie Weaver in Animal Kingdom, and

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Aliens, and the Psycho conundrum, nor man and Mrs Bates. For the life

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action ones I wanted actual actresses, exempt for Dumbo. Julian

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Moore, the film she's in is out this year. Number one, did you know

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it would be number one? I did, not agreeing for form's sake, this is

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genuinely, this one is head and shoulders above all the rest for me.

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There can be no other contender it is Sarah Connor, from Terminator 2.

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Men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you messed it up.

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You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really

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create something. To create a life. To feel it growing inside you, all

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you know how to create is death and destruction. Mom, mom! We need to

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be a little more constructive here, OK! She is the coolest of all time.

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It is such an evolution, we have seen her in the first time, this is

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what being a mother has done to her, that and the threat of nuclear war.

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That will do it! Who is your favourite? It is a great list, I

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have no problem with it. It is David Lynch's birthday, it might

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have been nice to have Wild At Hard, with Diane Ladd, she plays her

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real-life daughter, Laura Dern's mother, as a monstrosity, that is a

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movie mum. What is the next top five? It is sequels, I'm looking

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forward to it. Aliens, otherwise we will have a fight. Predator 12.

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is ten years, everybody will be happy, he's back, Arnie stars in

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The Last Stand. There is the elephant right there,

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boys. I thought he wasn't working today.

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Hey ray, how you doing. Good to see you. You looking jacked, you been

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working out. Give me that damn thing. It is an

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underdog story where I play basically a Sheriff that has just

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come back to his home town to spent the last few years in my home town,

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and then retire. When all of a sudden this town gets hit by

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violent criminals. Sure, the FBI, I have a violent

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criminal making a run for the Mexican border. A couple of

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truckers stopped in town, there is something off about them. Complete

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your mission. Get me across that border. Something big is going on

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here. I want a roadblock right here, right now.

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I picked this movie because it was fantastic script. The story was

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great, it had intensity, drama, it had a lot of action, which I love,

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and which my fans expect me to deliver. It is, without any doubt,

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a tense action movie. But, with Comic Relief. The FBI says there is

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an escaped fugutive heading our way. When it rains it pours. I'm not

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going to let that guy come through our town without a fight. How will

:25:17.:25:23.

we come up against all that fire power? I got an idea.

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I was back in an action movie where from the beginning to the end I was

:25:28.:25:34.

punching, I was shooting. I was running, I was climbing. I was

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kicked, I was beaten, and I was in cars and crashing into cars.

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the hell are you? I am eight Sheriff.

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It was from the beginning to the end. All action. It was

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unbelievable. How are you Sheriff? Old!

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They are selling this as the any comeback movie, and a lot of

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shoppers will check carefully the contents of their burgers this week,

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people should know there are limited quantities of

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Schwarzenegger in this movie. Maybe he's at a certain age where the

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action stuff isn't doable, or maybe he has better things to do. This is

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the kind of movie where you think the golf clubs are out of shot. He

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goes missing for long periods of time. It leaves the movie with

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space to fill. The movie tries to do that by, Johnny Knoxville, and

:26:32.:26:42.
:26:42.:26:43.

it even has a go at becoming another Fast And The Furious, the

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Pablo Esqobar, drug Lord who he's coming up against, is also a

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champion racing drama, competing in South America under an assumed name.

:26:54.:26:58.

Forest Whitaker had the job of explaining that, and I haven't felt

:26:58.:27:03.

so sorry for an actor. Often you don't know you have missed

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something until it is become, mouse saki, give it a Government any,

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welcome. He is the colour of teak. I can only dream about being that

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colour. He's a mountain, he can't move any more, because he's full of

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foetus, I don't know what he's full of! He's walking along, nothing

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makes sense, give me the keys, somebody gets in the bus, nobody is

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in town, nothing, but it is also about 40 minutes long, the other

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films we have done are three-and-a- half. The things that don't make

:27:33.:27:39.

sense, why does a small two-horse town in Arizona have a 65-year-old

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huge as youry ian for the Sheriff. Film of the week? Zero Dark Thirty

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Lincoln for me. Next week we are back on Tuesday, who knew! He

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earlier time of 11.25 we will review Hyde Park On Hudson. Michael

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Claudia Winkleman talks to director Steven Spielberg about his latest film Lincoln, starring Daniel Day Lewis. Plus a review of Katherine Bigelow's Oscar-nominated Zero Dark Thirty. Catherine Bray reveals her Top 5 movie mothers and - it may have been a decade, but he is back - Arnold Schwarzenegger stars in The Last Stand.


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