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Hello and welcome to Film 2014. We are live.

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If you would like to get in touch the details are on the screen now.

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Coming up on tonight's show.

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All-star action with Kevin Costner

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and Chris Pine in Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit.

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There's a very real scenario here

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where we don't get out of this alive.

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For folks' sake -

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The Coen brothers get their groove on for Inside Llewyn Davis.

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Who wrote this?

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I did.

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And the gloves are off. De Niro and Stallone square up for Grudge Match.

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-Gutsy move, to go without a bra.

-I took a dump on your porch.

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We are live, guys. We are live right now.

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Plus we'll take a look at Alex Gibney's documentary

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The Armstrong Lie. Danny, of course, is here,

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-and we are joined by guest critic Antonia Quirke.

-Hello.

-Hello.

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Hooray. First up, Kenneth Branagh directs Chris Pine

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and Keira Knightley in CIA action thriller Jack Ryan.

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Somebody tried to kill me!

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'You are breaking protocol.'

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-BRANAGH:

-Jack Ryan, Shadow Recruit is about the origins of Jack Ryan.

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He is sought out by the CIA for his brilliant analytical mind.

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-'Is he back?'

-Yeah.

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'Time's up.'

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Kevin Costner comes to persuade him that he should be involved

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in financial intelligence,

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trying to find out where funding for terror groups come from.

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Talk me through your very scary scenario.

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Keep in mind I don't have your PhD.

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Jack discovers severe irregularities in a Russian company

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run by my good self. Viktor Cherevin.

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-Jack Ryan.

-How was your flight?

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-Fine, thank you.

-And the jet lag?

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-That first night can be brutal.

-I survived.

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What can I do for you?

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-Routine audit.

-So routine it couldn't be done from New York?

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Not when you're concealing accounts from us.

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You Americans like to think of yourselves as direct.

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I wonder if perhaps you're just rude.

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You Russians think of yourselves as poets

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but perhaps you're just touchy.

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Jack gets drawn into the field,

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as he always does do in Jack Ryan films,

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and all the mayhem starts from there.

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There is a coordinated plot for a terrorist attack.

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You're not just an analyst any more. You're operational now.

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I play Cathy, who is Jack's fiancee.

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She doesn't know that he's working in the CIA.

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You're not involving her.

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You involved me in this by not telling me!

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You've got to get her out of here.

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What will you tell Cherevin? That I'm homesick?

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These are dangerous people, Cathy. You cannot be here.

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-If you told me who you really were...

-I took an oath!

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I took an oath.

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He's sort of the everyman, isn't he? I suspect that's...

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I mean, although you can't really be the everyman

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looking like Chris Pine,

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but I think that's sort of the idea of it.

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-Can we have a minute, please?

-No, you can't.

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-I would like to talk to Jack alone.

-This is geopolitics.

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It's not couples therapy.

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Thrillers really aren't done very often nowadays and I suspect

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actually it's because you have to be told by a really good storyteller.

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And I think that's where Ken Branagh comes in.

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Clearly coming from the world of Shakespeare where you deal with

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huge character arcs

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and huge plotlines, he's able to infuse, I think,

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a kind of traditional action thriller with very specific and human moments.

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Do I really have to remind you what's at stake here, Jack?

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There is a very real scenario here

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where we don't get out of this alive.

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You know, you sold this as an office job.

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-Danny.

-Well, this is what's known as an origin story.

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So we're following Jack Ryan from kind of apple-cheeked student

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through to the hardened spook, I guess.

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And we start off in London, and we know it's London because

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we see Big Ben and the London Eye and everyone calls each other mate,

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and we take a detour to New York where Jack briefly

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works on Wall Street as the kind of collie dog of Wall Street,

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and then finally we end up in Moscow,

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and that's where the real action starts.

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Because although this is a fresh start for Jack Ryan

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we've got a job lot of deeply old-fashioned villains.

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It's a lot of vodka-swilling Russians who have probably been

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in a crate in Pinewood since they filmed Octopussy.

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That's not really a criticism.

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I think Kenneth Branagh as a director

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is kind of at home with all that Carry On, Comrade thing,

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and what you end up with is something which I think is

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passably tense and frenetic, but also feels like

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the kind of movie that you can imagine yourself dozing off to

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in front of the TV after Christmas dinner in about 20 years' time.

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Yeah. What did you think?

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You know one thing this movie makes really clear yet again

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is that The Bourne Identity is the most influential movie

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of the last 15 years. The seminal movie.

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How many movies have we sat through, of this kind,

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that nod to that movie? Even down to the front of the title sequences

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and what have you. It's interesting that you mentioned Branagh

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and the '80s there, it does feel...

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I mean, this is a made-up story,

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this isn't from the Tom Clancy novels,

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but it still feels very situated in the '80s.

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Even that longing for Moscow and the Russians as the real enemy,

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what have you, it's all terribly '80s.

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But the main problem with Jack Ryan,

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and the problem that Clancy has always had,

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Keira Knightley mentioned in that clip earlier on, he's the everyman.

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The main problem with Jack Ryan all the way through Patriot Games

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and Clear And Present Danger and Hunt For Red October,

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and all the rest, he's just really boring.

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He's an incredibly boring guy.

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-He likes a calculator.

-He's an analyst, he's a financial analyst!

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-You saw him there with his man bag.

-That's so damning.

-It really is.

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No-one's knickers on fire, not even Keira's.

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-And she's very good, it has to be said.

-I think so too.

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Chris Pine is interesting casting cos he does look a little bit

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like a male blow-up doll, but at the same time,

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with his characters you always suspect there might be some kind of

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dark secret lurking somewhere, and you want that for Jack Ryan.

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You want him to have at least one vague bad habit.

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But he does have Keira instead.

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Keira is great. Most of the time, an actress doing this role,

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what would she be asked to do?

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She would run in high heels a little bit,

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her eyes would widen, she'd take her clothes off

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-and that would be that.

-A Thursday.

-Exactly.

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Keira does something a little different

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and there's something quite admirably deranged,

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a bit unhinged about her.

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She looks like she's going to leap across the table

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and take Chris Pine's head off with her jaws,

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like a Jelly Baby's head. I'm a big fan.

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That moment she's having dinner with Kenneth Branagh

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and they're sitting there talking about Russian poets,

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and it's actually quite a good scene.

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You can see they're reaching for the stars there, in that scene.

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I think it's quite interesting that here we have Branagh directing,

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and he casts himself as the evil hero, really, hasn't he?

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Right down to the Paul McCartney burgundy rinse that he's got

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-going on there.

-I loved him in it.

-He was actually pretty good.

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It was a problem that most of the time I was on his side.

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But the most interesting thing about the movie

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is here you have the strange career of Kenneth Branagh.

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You know, the guy who in the '80s was the kid

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in the Royal Shakespeare Company, wrote his own biography at 30,

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and now he's directing this schlock, via Thor.

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It is the most extraordinary career.

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I think both with this and Thor, he's got a flair for this,

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actually, and the fight scenes...

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Most of this film is pretty ho-hum but the fight scenes

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have a real kind of vim and a real sense of aggro.

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Kenneth Branagh has a real knack for trashing a Moscow hotel bathroom.

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Bidets flying left, right and centre,

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toilet's gone out the window.

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He loves that stuff and he's good at it.

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In his performance, he's channelling...

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he's having a whale of a time,

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doing Viggo Mortensen in Eastern Promises.

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Good luck to him.

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You've got Kevin Costner popping up as this kind of strange,

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voyeuristic, kind of imperious, like an American Eagle,

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maybe dodgy, I don't know.

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Also Mikhail Baryshnikov in a bit part.

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-Would've preferred to see him as the baddie, though.

-OK.

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Next, the new film from the Coen brothers, Inside Llewyn Davis,

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which captures a week in the life of a folk singer in New York in 1961.

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How you doin'? Llewyn Davis.

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Oh! Hello!

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I've heard your music.

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And heard many nice things about you

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from Jim and Jean and from others.

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You have not heard one nice thing about me from Jean.

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-CAREY MULLIGAN:

-It's sort of a week in the life of...a loser.

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It's about, no matter how good you are, you can still struggle,

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or never get anywhere. It's sort of about someone who...

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stands in his own way, you know.

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Someone who could have great success

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but kind of limits himself by his own ideals.

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That's why all the same shit is going to keep happening to you,

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because you want it to.

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-Is that why?

-Yes. And also because you're an ASSHOLE.

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'It's about someone that both wants desperately to succeed and to fail,'

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and is trying to find his authentic voice

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in a scene that's clearly not wanting to hear it.

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-If you do two "pa-pa"s...

-# Pa-pa, and I sweat when... # ? Really?

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# Pa-pa, I sweat when they stuck me in the pressure suit

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# Bubble helmet, Flash Gordon boots

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THEY MUMBLE

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# That's no place to be a hero... #

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-Ah ah-ah-ah.

-OK.

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The Coens, they're interested in

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the guy that opened up for Dylan, not Dylan.

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Who wrote this?

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I did.

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They don't seem to be interested in success stories. I think they feel

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they've all been told. They're kind of...

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They seem drawn to failures, and yeah,

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the rags-to-rags story seems to be their speciality.

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# I had a man, strong and tall... #

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Don't tell Jim.

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Obviously.

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# ..Like a cannon ball... #

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Do you ever think about the future at all?

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You mean like flying cars?

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I was screaming to the gods to give me this role.

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I wanted it more than anything.

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Mel!

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How you doin', kid?

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I think they're just really no-nonsense.

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They're just so good at telling a really great story.

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It's an easy day, you wrap by four o'clock in the afternoon

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and you feel like you've just been on holiday.

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It seems to be so effortless,

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and that's how it feels when you're working with them,

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and when you watch the film.

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Folk singer with a cat.

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Ah!

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Is that part of your act?

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Every time you play a C major you puke a hairball?

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Play me something from Inside Llewyn Davis.

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OK.

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Such a brilliant scene! All of it.

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Antonia.

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I love this movie. There's nothing I don't love about this movie.

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It is THE movie. It is just so wonderful.

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I mean, its tempo, it's so mellow,

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it just rolls from scene to scene

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in this incredibly beautiful kind of unfurling way,

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and you know what's so amazing, is when you think the Coen brothers,

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they hit the big time in their late 20s with Blood Simple

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and it's just been pretty much success, success, success

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all the way along since then.

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And yet they still have hugged so close, clearly,

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that feeling of being a failure. That feeling of being...

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-You know, the wet socks...

-Almost being there...

-Never quite making it.

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There's a fantastic scene where he's got wet socks in his shoes,

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or where does he go to bed that night?

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Can he stay with those people, but no, he's pushed it too much,

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are they speaking to him? What will he do with this money?

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Will he have this to pay for that, can he get that back?

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That kind of on the edge, about to fall off of society,

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they nail that.

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And you know, you are sweating for his guy for most of the movie.

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-It's incredible.

-That's what's extraordinary.

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That you love him even though he might make poor decisions,

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-and you want to go "Come on!"

-The thing about him is,

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he isn't very likeable, but then if we want likeable

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we've got friends for that.

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And if he was likeable he might be in danger of becoming successful

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and then it becomes a less interesting movie.

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The performances are all fantastic, but I think there's such humanity

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which comes through Llewyn.

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At the end of the movie, you think, well, Llewyn Davis is a dick,

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and aren't we all? That's the feeling you're left with.

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It's strange with the Coen brothers, I think because they're so funny -

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this is a very, very funny movie -

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we forget what a pair of utter maestros they are as film-makers.

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Inside Llewyn Davis, for the 105 minutes it's on screen,

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you are nowhere else on Earth than 1961 in Greenwich Village,

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and you don't want to be anywhere else. It looks gorgeous,

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and it sounds phenomenal.

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Not just to do with the music - the script is like music as well.

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You have these fantastic lines being delivered perfectly

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and you end up sitting there with a stupid grin on your face.

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The script, on the page, is actually hardly anything at all.

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It's incredibly tight.

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It's all in how it looks, and you know it cost

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something like the equivalent of £6.5 million to make.

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That's incredibly cheap for a movie that looks this good.

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The clarity of purpose in the image is absolutely fantastic,

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and what it does brilliantly is you get this sense of the end of an era.

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Like in Withnail And I, when he says they're selling hippie wigs

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in Woolworths and this is it, it's all over.

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Of course, this is a different decade they're talking about,

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but you do get a sense that this is the end of the '50s,

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and you always feel through the movie the war is still

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breathing down the shoulders of these kids.

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And you're round the corner. It's the '60s, and it's LSD and colour,

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and Greenwich Village is about to burst into full life.

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They're so great with period stuff as well, because the polite way

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to say it is, they said "research is for sissies",

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so they kind of make it up.

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They take a few choice details and make up the rest as they go along,

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and yet they kind of conjure up this sense of time and place.

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The movie, it's interesting,

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Coen Brothers movies always have a slightly different flavour.

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And this is less overtly funny-funny than a lot of stuff.

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It's less overtly funny-funny than The Big Lebowski, for instance.

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The Coens movie it reminds me of personally is Barton Fink,

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which has always been my favourite.

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It's more soulful, don't you think? Incredibly soulful.

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Don't you think Llewyn Davis is Barton Fink?

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He could be, spiritually and practically, Barton Fink's kid.

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And so, yeah, another generation,

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he might have matured a little bit after that.

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Shall we talk about Oscars?

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Ridiculous, there has been no Academy heat,

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which a lot of people have tweeted, saying that's absolutely bizarre.

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What he's so brilliant at is, he turns it down.

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It's exactly like you said.

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If he was a bit more charming, you would think,

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-"Oh, no, you do the right thing now."

-He'd have hit the big time.

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He'd have hit the big time.

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But don't you think the whole pitch of his performance is

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the whole tone of the movie, and he's absolutely right?

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He could have burlesqued a bit more.

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He could have been even more charismatic,

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he could have pushed it, but he doesn't,

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and that's probably why he's been overlooked.

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I think that's true.

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-It is just the subtlety, the melancholy.

-It is a beautiful film.

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It is absolutely note perfect. And the whole thing is, it is

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a recognisably Coens world we're in, because it's got that sort of

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deadpan slapstick, and that surrealism, and on one level,

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this is a movie about Welsh rarebit and cats' scrotums,

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but it also does have this total humanity and depth to it.

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It's a great movie about being a parent, or maybe about just

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being an adult, and it's also a great, great movie about trying

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to make a living doing something halfway creative, and I think anyone

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who has ever been in a terrible band or anyone who has ever contemplated

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drama school or has an unpublished novel stashed away in their

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sock drawer, or even a published one, has to watch this movie,

3:45:033:45:06

and there's so much going on in this, in the corner of your eyes.

3:45:063:45:09

Go and see it once, go and see it a second time,

3:45:093:45:11

-go and see it a third time.

-Then sixth and seventh.

3:45:113:45:13

Yeah, literally. Every night next week!

3:45:133:45:15

Next, Bobby and Sly team up as a pair of old bruisers

3:45:153:45:18

in boxing comedy Grudge Match.

3:45:183:45:20

Certain athletes are born enemies,

3:45:223:45:24

but the fiercest rivalry was between two fighters, Razor and Kid.

3:45:243:45:28

They fought only twice,

3:45:283:45:29

but the tie-breaking grudge match never happened.

3:45:293:45:31

Today I am announcing my retirement from professional boxing.

3:45:313:45:34

It's a story about second chances.

3:45:343:45:36

Not just second chances in two fighters' careers,

3:45:363:45:39

but second chances, more importantly,

3:45:393:45:41

in relationships that they left by the side of the road 30 years ago.

3:45:413:45:46

I can never spend more than three minutes with this bum

3:45:463:45:49

unless it was in the ring, beating the brains out of him.

3:45:493:45:51

He's got it backwards. He's punch-drunk.

3:45:513:45:53

I was smacking him around a little too much, a little too much.

3:45:533:45:56

Man, I can't...when's the fight?

3:45:563:45:58

Only we could pull this off because of what came before it,

3:45:583:46:01

otherwise, I don't know if the movie would even be made.

3:46:013:46:04

I got a company that wants the rematch. They'll pay you 100 grand.

3:46:043:46:07

I can't be in the same room as that guy. Not worth it.

3:46:073:46:10

The hell you mean it ain't worth it? I'm looking at your house!

3:46:103:46:13

30 years! Yes!

3:46:133:46:16

-HE BREATHES HEAVILY

-I got to get in shape.

3:46:163:46:19

He's had a lot of experience getting punched around and so,

3:46:193:46:22

it's easy for me. But he had...

3:46:223:46:26

I didn't realise, in the movies, that you had

3:46:263:46:29

as much contact as you did.

3:46:293:46:31

-Yeah.

-So it's good.

3:46:313:46:33

The script is just wonderful.

3:46:333:46:37

I laughed out loud a lot, and that doesn't happen to me very often.

3:46:373:46:41

I thought it was just tailor-made for these two guys.

3:46:413:46:47

-Forget it. I'm a dinosaur.

-You'll be fine one last time.

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I'm your trainer, Mikey.

3:46:503:46:52

You can't be my trainer. Maybe I believe you ate my trainer.

3:46:523:46:54

-Time to train.

-What have I done?

3:46:563:46:58

-It's insane.

-Oh, yeah? Give me one reason.

-You're fat.

3:46:583:47:00

-You got weak knees. You're fat.

-Don't sugar-coat it. Be honest.

3:47:003:47:04

They're both legendary, and you stare into their faces

3:47:043:47:06

and see 1,000 roles they played.

3:47:063:47:08

But the amazing thing about both actors, I have to say, absolutely

3:47:083:47:11

was their ability to basically play ball with whatever I threw at them.

3:47:113:47:18

-Gutsy move, going without a bra.

-I took a dump on your porch.

3:47:183:47:21

You're alive, guys. You're alive right now.

3:47:213:47:24

Can I just say, I want you two to talk about the proper,

3:47:253:47:28

the arty films. I've got eight hours on Grudge Match,

3:47:283:47:32

which is, by the way, on a minus...

3:47:323:47:33

It's like on a minus on Rotten Tomatoes. People are disgusted.

3:47:333:47:36

Even my friends who are critics, I said, "Have you seen Grudge Match?

3:47:363:47:39

"I thought it was quite good fun."

3:47:393:47:41

They were like, "No, don't talk to me again."

3:47:413:47:43

Walked off in tears, deleted me from their SIM card. It's mag...

3:47:433:47:46

It's not magnificent. It's awful. But it's... Just see it.

3:47:463:47:50

I will go with you. I don't know if this is... Am I allowed to do this?

3:47:503:47:53

Are we on air? But the point is, it's funny. It's enjoyable.

3:47:533:47:57

There's something ridiculous about it.

3:47:573:47:59

It's Sly, it's Bobby, it's what's going to happen to us all. Danny.

3:47:593:48:02

I hate to interrupt you mid-flow.

3:48:023:48:04

Boxing movies mean a lot to me, so I feel I have actually seen

3:48:043:48:07

this film in my nightmares many times already.

3:48:073:48:10

Someone was always going to do this, put Rocky with Raging Bull.

3:48:103:48:13

-So it feels kind of inevitable.

-I just can't believe they said yes!

3:48:133:48:16

Well, De Niro needs the money.

3:48:163:48:19

Like a lot of nightmare scenarios, it's actually not so bad up close.

3:48:193:48:22

You could sit there during the trailers quite happily

3:48:223:48:25

and while away the time by listing all the jokes that you think

3:48:253:48:27

are going to happen, and they absolutely will.

3:48:273:48:29

You do get the arthritic training montage, you get the joke

3:48:293:48:32

about mobility scooters, you get the joke about erectile dysfunction.

3:48:323:48:35

-Amazing.

-But as I say, I have encountered worse

3:48:353:48:38

and more nightmarish things than Grudge Match in my life.

3:48:383:48:41

-Have you?

-Yes, a few.

3:48:413:48:43

-OK.

-Me too!

-Not many, though! I can tell I'm alone. I am alone.

3:48:433:48:46

Look, this is the most gentle boxing movie ever made,

3:48:463:48:50

and it's monstrously mawkish, but there is something

3:48:503:48:52

charming about it, and yes, the whole reason it was made was

3:48:523:48:56

for that geriatric training montage,

3:48:563:48:59

and it has this extraordinary point at which you just think

3:48:593:49:03

with De Niro, you think, please stop.

3:49:033:49:05

-Stop making movies. Please stop. What are you doing?

-He likes it!

3:49:053:49:08

It is just madness. And you remember what it was like when you were a kid

3:49:083:49:12

and you'd watch The Godfather on TV and think, "There's that guy.

3:49:123:49:15

"He knows something about acting that other actors don't,

3:49:153:49:18

"and the magic, and..." What has happened? Stop, stop, stop.

3:49:183:49:20

But even then, I still enjoyed the fight at the end.

3:49:203:49:24

There is one great gag here, which is putting these two

3:49:243:49:27

creaky old stars together, creaking together at last.

3:49:273:49:29

Kind of like Whatever Happened To Baby Jane? but with moobs.

3:49:293:49:32

There's a little snippet of De Niro training, I think, for Raging Bull.

3:49:323:49:36

It must have been, in the Gramercy gym in New York,

3:49:363:49:38

and you can't help feeling a bit melancholy

3:49:383:49:40

about what's happened to him since. I didn't think that's a problem.

3:49:403:49:43

At least he seems like he's having fun here, rather than paying off

3:49:433:49:46

-parking fines.

-They have Kim Basinger in it...

3:49:463:49:48

Kim Basinger looks great. She doesn't have a lot to do.

3:49:483:49:50

Alan Arkin doesn't look quite so good. He gets to do a sex dance.

3:49:503:49:53

The problem I have with the movie, I'll tell you one problem,

3:49:533:49:56

which is Rocky Balboa was a heavyweight,

3:49:563:49:59

Jake LaMotta was a middleweight.

3:49:593:50:00

Even now, Robert De Niro is a little bit older

3:50:003:50:03

and a lot smaller than Stallone, so by the time they actually get

3:50:033:50:05

to have a fight, it looks like Stallone's fighting Mr Burns.

3:50:053:50:08

I'm not sure that's quite what they were going for.

3:50:083:50:10

We're so used to those sort of superannuated,

3:50:103:50:12

sped-up boxing scenes, and here you have these two guys kind of...

3:50:123:50:16

SHE GRUNTS

3:50:163:50:17

..lumbering around for the last ten minutes of the movie.

3:50:173:50:19

I kind of liked that...

3:50:193:50:21

-I wanted to watch a proper boxing movie.

-By the end of it.

3:50:213:50:23

You are correct. Everything he says is correct.

3:50:233:50:26

I mean, don't go and see this film. I mean, see it if you're on a plane.

3:50:263:50:29

Why would you be on a plane? That's a ridiculous thing to say.

3:50:293:50:32

All I'm saying is, I quite enjoyed it.

3:50:323:50:34

If people said, "I've heard it's awful, shall I go and see it?"

3:50:343:50:37

I think people would have a laugh.

3:50:373:50:39

I just think it's like getting older.

3:50:393:50:41

You feel now and again, I regret that this is happening,

3:50:413:50:43

but it's better than the alternative.

3:50:433:50:45

It's happening. It's going to happen.

3:50:453:50:47

It's happening to all of us. We're going to be there.

3:50:473:50:49

Not boxing. That would be weird. I'll stop speaking.

3:50:493:50:51

Finally, director Alex Gibney looks at the rise and fall

3:50:513:50:54

of Lance Armstrong in documentary The Armstrong Lie.

3:50:543:50:57

I know what I did and didn't do,

3:50:583:51:00

so therefore I sleep at night. Um...

3:51:003:51:03

'And I'm one of the greatest riders of all time.

3:51:033:51:07

'If you look at the books and the records,

3:51:073:51:09

'you won seven tours in a period when everyone thought'

3:51:093:51:11

everybody was dirty.

3:51:113:51:13

If I win again, they're not going to... They can't say that.

3:51:143:51:17

They cannot.

3:51:173:51:18

The Armstrong Lie is a film about a lie.

3:51:183:51:22

It is really two films, in a way.

3:51:223:51:25

One film I started out to make,

3:51:253:51:26

which was an inspirational film, a comeback story.

3:51:263:51:29

I was going to follow Armstrong as he came out of retirement

3:51:293:51:33

to race the Tour de France one more time.

3:51:333:51:35

Lance, how are you feeling?

3:51:353:51:36

Nervous. But that's good.

3:51:363:51:38

'I almost finished that film. It was narrated by Matt Damon.

3:51:383:51:41

'And then all the granular detail began to come out

3:51:413:51:45

'about Lance Armstrong's doping.

3:51:453:51:47

'It meant almost reinvestigating my own film,'

3:51:473:51:50

going back and looking what I had shot over the course of a year

3:51:503:51:53

and seeing that it had a different meaning

3:51:533:51:55

than it had at the beginning.

3:51:553:51:57

'He had lied to me, straight to my face, all throughout 2009.'

3:51:593:52:03

UCI will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling.

3:52:033:52:05

'When the truth came out, I told him he owed me an explanation.'

3:52:053:52:08

After years and years of the most amazing denials...

3:52:083:52:11

-I can emphatically say I am not on drugs.

-I was angry.

3:52:113:52:14

I mean, nobody wants to feel like they've been used, and I felt like

3:52:143:52:16

I had been used to kind of burnish the stature of Lance Armstrong.

3:52:163:52:20

He was an immensely intimidating person.

3:52:203:52:23

You are not worth the chair that you're sitting on.

3:52:233:52:26

You crossed him, you were doomed.

3:52:263:52:27

There are people who have really been ruined.

3:52:273:52:29

I was shunned, banned from everybody,

3:52:293:52:31

and a lot of people wouldn't look at me, shake my hand.

3:52:313:52:34

That celebrity is what gave him such immense power.

3:52:343:52:37

-So you don't recall, just...?

-How many times do I have to say it?

3:52:373:52:39

I took the ride that a lot of other people did,

3:52:393:52:42

and by so doing, I not only understood more by the lie,

3:52:423:52:45

but also about the process of being a fan,

3:52:453:52:49

and how we all invest so much emotion and enthusiasm

3:52:493:52:55

in wanting to believe the beautiful lie more than the ugly truth.

3:52:553:53:00

The only person that can actually start to let people

3:53:003:53:05

understand what the true narrative is is me.

3:53:053:53:08

And you should know that better than anybody. Let's get to the...

3:53:083:53:13

The real nature and the real detail of this story...

3:53:133:53:15

..cos we haven't heard it yet, is the truth.

3:53:173:53:21

-The truth.

-The truth. Oh, you don't get the truth in this movie.

3:53:223:53:26

This movie made me really cross.

3:53:263:53:27

I mean, it pretends to be a sort of expose, where in actual fact,

3:53:273:53:31

you could leave the cinema believing that Armstrong...

3:53:313:53:34

you know. "Look, everyone was doing it. I mean, come on."

3:53:343:53:37

-"What was I going to do?"

-That is categorically not the case.

3:53:373:53:41

All the dopers were doping and all the non-dopers were not doping.

3:53:413:53:45

People left cycling because of the corruption and the doping.

3:53:453:53:48

People just sort of thought, I'm just not getting involved.

3:53:483:53:51

I can't handle it. So this whole idea that in actual fact, you know,

3:53:513:53:54

his arm was sort of twisted, and you do come away thinking that,

3:53:543:53:57

and that is wrong. Not only is Armstrong the bad guy and doped...

3:53:573:54:00

-It's not even the doping, it's the bullying.

-And not just bullying.

3:54:003:54:05

He categorically destroyed in the most Machiavellian ways,

3:54:053:54:08

people who had helped him, friends, colleagues, who had the temerity

3:54:083:54:13

to turn round and say, "I just don't believe you."

3:54:133:54:16

He took them to pieces. An incredible thing.

3:54:163:54:20

-He is a villain, and you don't really get that.

-I don't know.

3:54:203:54:23

I mean, I think all of that is in the film, and actually,

3:54:233:54:25

I think Alex Gibney... he was lied to his face,

3:54:253:54:28

as he mentions there, so it is interesting.

3:54:283:54:31

He set out to make this inspirational documentary,

3:54:313:54:33

and obviously, looks more and more ridiculous.

3:54:333:54:35

I think he gives Lance Armstrong enough rope,

3:54:353:54:39

because he allows him to present himself to the camera

3:54:393:54:41

very confidently, very charismatically,

3:54:413:54:43

and you get to see this charismatic monster,

3:54:433:54:46

and you get to understand why so many people were in thrall to him,

3:54:463:54:49

and I think, had he been more hostile and just monstered him

3:54:493:54:53

and reached for the hatchet and torn him apart, what?

3:54:533:54:55

I don't know, Lance Armstrong would have taken legal action.

3:54:553:54:58

He wouldn't have cooperated or given another interview.

3:54:583:55:01

So I think it is an interesting game that Alex Gibney's playing.

3:55:013:55:05

I take your point, but I don't know whether it is a game.

3:55:053:55:08

I just think he's chicken.

3:55:083:55:09

And I also think he's totally enthralled.

3:55:093:55:12

He's enthralled by him. I mean, so would I have been.

3:55:123:55:15

Because I went in with my quite strong ideas about...

3:55:153:55:18

we have all read those extraordinary pieces

3:55:183:55:21

and that extraordinary Sunday Times journalism.

3:55:213:55:23

You go in with an idea, and at the end, I thought, quite charming.

3:55:233:55:26

Bet he's fun to have dinner with.

3:55:263:55:27

Absolutely, and I'm sure he is, but also, I personally came out

3:55:273:55:30

more cynical than when I went in, actually, because you see how

3:55:303:55:34

the mechanics of it work. And all the lies are still out there.

3:55:343:55:37

As a portrait of a liar, I think this is...

3:55:373:55:39

It is excellent, but, it's this whole idea that he allows him

3:55:393:55:43

to sort of say, I was a scapegoat.

3:55:433:55:45

The one thing that is really clear about Lance Armstrong is,

3:55:453:55:48

he is furious. His back was literally against the wall

3:55:483:55:50

before he would say, "OK, OK."

3:55:503:55:53

And he is absolutely enraged that it came to that, and it lets him...

3:55:533:55:58

I suppose you're right in as much as it allows you to see...

3:55:583:56:01

you know the snake in The Jungle Book, with the eyes,

3:56:013:56:05

you are sitting there thinking, "Wow, he's working his evil magic,"

3:56:053:56:08

and he's sort of mythologising himself over and over again.

3:56:083:56:11

He is allowing...

3:56:113:56:12

and Gibney is giving him the airtime to do that,

3:56:123:56:15

and it is quite mesmeric to watch, but it did make me really cross.

3:56:153:56:18

I think actually, you're angry with Lance Armstrong,

3:56:183:56:21

and the more you see Armstrong, the more you see him as

3:56:213:56:24

this incredibly dapper, poised, wealthy kind of character,

3:56:243:56:27

and your anger rises. If he wasn't there, you'd be less angry.

3:56:273:56:30

We have ten seconds for Film Of The Week.

3:56:303:56:31

ANTONIA GASPS

3:56:313:56:33

Inside Llewyn Davis by a country mile.

3:56:333:56:35

Also, Buster Keaton's The General is being rereleased.

3:56:353:56:38

See that on the big screen if you haven't.

3:56:383:56:40

-I second in every way. Absolutely.

-Nobody for Grudge Match? Just me.

3:56:403:56:44

I'm kidding. Go and see Llewyn Davis.

3:56:443:56:46

But you know, if you want a laugh.

3:56:463:56:48

The Armstrong Lie will be in cinemas on January 31. That is all from us.

3:56:483:56:51

We'll be back next Wednesday night.

3:56:513:56:53

We'll play out tonight with a look at Terry Gilliam's new film

3:56:533:56:56

The Zero Theorem,

3:56:563:56:58

in which a computer hacker goes in search of the meaning of life.

3:56:583:57:01

It's in cinemas in March. Thank you very much for watching.

3:57:013:57:04

-Good night.

-Good night.

3:57:043:57:06

'We always wanted to feel different. Unique.

3:57:093:57:13

'Objective analysis, however,

3:57:133:57:15

'concluded that we are but one in many single worker bees.'

3:57:153:57:19

Everyone's getting rich, except you.

3:57:223:57:25

What seems to be the problem?

3:57:253:57:27

-We're dying.

-Who's we?

-Us. Ourselves.

3:57:273:57:30

-There's only one of you.

-So it would appear.

3:57:303:57:32

-Qohen? How's it hanging?

-It isn't hanging at all well.

3:57:333:57:36

I...Sorry.

3:57:363:57:38

A fear of death, fear of life, fear of open spaces, fear of people.

3:57:393:57:42

-We see nothing most of all.

-Are you trying to be difficult?

3:57:423:57:45

Been hand-picking talent to crunch it since before I was hired.

3:57:473:57:50

Nobody lasts. It's a guaranteed burn-out project.

3:57:503:57:52

Zero Theorem. All very hush-hush.

3:57:523:57:54

-'Good luck.'

-I give him two weeks.

3:57:573:57:58

'We always wanted to feel... a reason for being.

3:58:113:58:17

'The meaning of our life.'

3:58:173:58:18

'We connected. We can be together for real.

3:58:253:58:29

'Just come with me.'

3:58:303:58:32

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