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Welcome to The Culture Show at the Edinburgh Festival, where we are

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brimful of comedy, art, theatre, music and dance. This week we are

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going to be picturing the Queen, musing on the misery of modern

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cinema, wondering whether comedy awards really do matter, and then

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looking at the extreme genius of Philip Glass.

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# All the single ladies. You should see where he's written

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the credits! Coming up, capturing the Queen. Not

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literally, that's treasonous. Think canvas or camera. Multiplexes. Have

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they wrecked the modern movie experience? Mark Kermode muses. And

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One Thousand And One Nights, how epic Arabian tales became an epic

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Edinburgh show. Also tonight, Michael Smith seeks out Edinburgh's

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more unusual venues. Mark Thomas on the artists embracing the freedom

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of expression that the festival offers. Clemency Burton-Hill meets

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acclaimed Chinese choreographer Shen Wei. And I invite two of this

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year's hottest comics into Room With A Sue. First tonight we're

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Lizzing it up, by which I mean we are discussing Her Royal Highness

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Queen Elizabeth II. Those of you who think the Queen is no oil

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painting, think again, because the Scottish National Gallery is

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mounting an exhibition entitled The Queen: Art and Image, featuring a

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selection of artists, ranging from the royally plugged in to the more

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anti-establishment. Alastair Sooke went with him to find out more and

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took with him a couple of commoners who aren't afraid of the odd

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beheading or two. It will probably be just the one. That's enough to

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do it usually. On 7th February 1952 young Queen

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Elizabeth II landed at London Airport following the death of her

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father. The world's press were there to meet her. This would be

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the first of many portraits of Elizabeth as Queen. She would go on

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to become the most depicted person in human history. Of course,

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representing monarchs is nothing new. Royal portraits have been used

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for centuries to create and underpin and disseminate the

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authority of ruling Kings and Queens. But what is new is just the

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sheer proliferation of images of the Queen in recent decades, and

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the way that artists and photo journalists have challenged our

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ideas about what royalty should look like. This exhibition spans

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more than half a century, during which Britain has seen significant

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social change. It also documents a seismic shift in the way that we

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perceive and represent the monarchy. With me to discuss some of the

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highlights are royal biographer Gyles Brandreth and social

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commentator Kate Copstick. I thought we should begin by talking

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about this portrait by Cecil Beaton of the Queen, the famous Coronation

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portrait he did in 1953. Here is the Queen aged 27 looking like you

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would expect a Queen to look. That's exactly the thing. That kind

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of monarchy, even a Scottish working class girl, can I go, "Yeah,

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alright, you can give my taxes to that, because she looks proper,

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like a Queen." Growing up in Paisley we always knew posh people,

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aristocrats, especially the Royals, were different from us. Not

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necessarily better, just different. When you see a photograph like this

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you go, "Yeah, they are different. That's a ruling class." Either the

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monarchy is the monarchy and they look like that, or you don't have

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one. You have fairy-tale, you have history. You have monarchy. You

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have icon. It can go on any magazine around the world. It

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delivers. She, thanks to Cecil, God bless him, looks like a star.

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takes a Queen to understand a Queen. But times were changing. During the

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Swinging Sixties, this stiff formality seemed increasingly out

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of date and royal portraitists began to explore more personal

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takes on the Queen. The 1970s. A decade defined by political unrest.

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Jammy Reid's image captured the mood, launching a visual assault on

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the Queen and everything she represented. This new irreverent

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attitude was exploited by Andy Warhol in the '80s. This is

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something very different. A series of portraits of the Queen by Andy

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Warhol. On the surface of things this is the opposite of Cecil

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Beaton style, don't you think? is one of the first pictorial

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bricks out of the wall. It is just the brand. It is just a commercial

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commodity. It is a tin of Campbell's soup with a crown on. I

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prefer my monarchy in an era when doing that would have resulted in a

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quick trip to the Tower and decapitation. What does that say

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about the era in which it was made? It does certainly mark, as far as

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I'm concerned, a loss of respect. Do you think it is satirical? Is

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Warhol saying there is no reality to the monarchy? I don't think it

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is either reductive or satirical. I think it exemplifies what the

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monarchy is all about. The genius of the monarchy has been to adapt

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to each era. That's why it has survived so long. The Queen can

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survive a biscuit tin, a mug and Andy Warhol. On she goes. Do you

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not think he is trying to say something about the superficiality,

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the perception of the monarchy? Andy Warhol complaining about

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superficiality? Pot, kettle. may have a point. This says, any

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country in the world, two things they think - Andy Warhol and the

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Queen, so for both of them it's worked. For me, I think this is

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quite a satirical image. I hope it is, otherwise it is incredibly

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vapid, because Warhol is really saying that monarchy is a mask. It

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is something which is very artificial, which is given to the

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masses and which in certain cases they respond to. 60 years on and

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Britain has evolved from a formal society with imperial pretension to

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a less deferential downsized nation. So perhaps it is fitting that when

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Lucian Freud was called upon to represent the Queen for the 21st

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century he produced something a little, well, different. Kate, if

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the Cecil Beaton was your cup of tea, I imagine you detest this

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Lucian Freud. Well, the problem with Lucian Freud is that everyone

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looks the same, and it is ugly. That doesn't look like the Queen.

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It looks like a bag lady. I suppose she did get off quite lightly given

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His history and his oeuvre. She could have been whale-like and

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naked with pendulous, ghastly breasts on a chaise longue.

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story of the monarchy is that there they are, and the great artists of

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the time will paint pictures of them, or in our age take

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photographs of them, and the result is rather more a reflection on the

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artist in this case than on the Sovereign. But you're right, it is

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in fact Elizabeth II meets Edna, the inebriate woman. Not a total

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success. And I think leaving it out overnight before delivering it did

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not help, did it? It really didn't help. It is notable that he's

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presented her as quite an irascible ill-tempered old lady. She almost

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looks like she's got 5 o'clock shadow. The crown is lopsided. It

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is as far away from flattery as you can get. Gyles, do you know what

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the Queen made of it? No. A beer mat hopefully. One of the things

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about the Queen is she's not really interested in herself at all. She

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would have looked at it and walked on. Maybe this belongs to our

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celebrity-infatuated age. This is Heat magazine trying to catch

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celebrities in an off moment. if it was Heat magazine she would

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have been showing her teeth, showing a smile. If it was Heat

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magazine she would have been showing her breasts! LAUGHTER

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you think this shows a change in perception of the monarchy we the

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British people. I think it shows a mess. I think we've trashed the

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monarchy. If art is a mirror of the times what does Lucian Freud say

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about our times? We should get a new myrrh over. The fairy-tale spun

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by Cecil Beaton, so redolent of flattery and flummery, has no place

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in contemporary recent. It looks and feel as bit archaic and

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appropriate. I take heart from that. The Queen: Art and Image will be on

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at the Edinburgh Art Festival until 18th September.

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The Culture Show very own's Mark Kermode, upon whom this coiffure is

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based, will be talking film on Saturday. My tin us has gone very

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woodland. He will be pondering the malaise in modern film making and

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whether the multiplex experience is If you don't speak Wookey, press

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the Red Button now. Here are two things you won't be

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seeing much more of in the future, at least not in your local

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multiplex. This is a 35mm projector, for the best part of a century the

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heart of the experience. It takes celluloid images and turns it into

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a system. This is a projectionist, a highly trained operative who

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makes this possible. It is his job to make sure the film passs through

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correctly, to add up to the perfect experience for the viewer. But

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sadly Bank of England of these are in danger of becoming redundant

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thanks to the digital projector, which in theory can cause a perfect

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image to be projected simply at the click of a switch. There is nothing

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wrong with digital per se. It is clean, efficient, Coe friendly and

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it does away with the need for celluloid prints, which are bulky

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and expense every. These new machines pretty much work

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themselves, right? Wrong. If you've been to a mumenty plex recently you

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may be familiar with the syndrome of the missing projectionist. You

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know how it goes. You are in screen three watching a film and the image

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is out of focus or spilling out of the top of the screen, or up side

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down. But there is no-one there to fix it, because thanks to the rise

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in digital there is no need for a projectionist. Neither is there a

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need for ushers to stop people texting or talking. No, in the

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modern mumenty plex world you buy your ticket from a machine, make

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your own way to the screen and discover that the only person

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watching the film is you. Excuse me. Multiplexs are like supermarkets.

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They don't specialise in organically grown local fare but

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Hodge only theseed local brands. This is -- homogenised local brands.

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Ever since Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor became a massive hit in 2001,

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despite being described as one of the worst films ever made, it is

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clear that if you spend enough money and blow up enough stuff, it

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will make its money at the mumenty plexs. -- multi- plexs. What about

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Pirates Of The Caribbean? Despite opening to universally poor reviews

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it has made nearly $1 billion worldwide, meaning that Pirates Of

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The Caribbean 5 is almost certainly on its way. How did we get to this

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point? After years of industry apathy the

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recent rapid rise of digital projection has been driven by 3D, a

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format that has failed at least three times the previous century we

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are being told it is the future of sin match. 3D has always been

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pushed by the industry. In the 1950s it was pushed for television

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and in the noughties a weapon against piracy. But every time the

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audience response has been the same. A brief increase in novelty value,

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House Of Wax, Friday The 13th, Avatar followed by something better.

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Once again despite the best efforts of Hollywood producers to ram 3D

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down our throats the tide has turned.

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Earlier this year Mars Needs Moms 3D was the first bona fide flop of

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the century, largely because audiences rebelled against

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overpriced stereoscopy. More people chose to watch Pirates 4 and Kung

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Fu Panda 2 in 2D, causing industry pundits to conclude that the 3D

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format is dying. Hooray.

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Where does that leave us? The multiplexs have become supermarkets,

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where sub-standard Hollywood fodder is screened by robots. If you want

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You will see brilliant atmospheric ones like Let The Right One In. As

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opposed to the English language remake Let Me In, which was rubbish,

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but played at the Multiplexs because all the actors spoke

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American. It's here that you'll get to see

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the best of home grown fair like The Arbor, which saw actors lip

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synch to documentary audio interviews to surprising and

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haunting effect. Been in the house, mum out in the pub, our mum

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comatosed in -- comatosed in bed and set fire to the bedroom. These

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are the film that's represent the true diversity of British cinema,

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not just the stuff that attracts Oscar ascension like The King's

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Speech and the Queen, here you'll find celluloid and digital co-

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existing nrt watchful eye of a trained projectionist working their

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hardest to give you the best viewing experience possible. We

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hear loads of whingeing about how hard it is to finance movies in the

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UK. What's the point of making them if there's nowhere to show them? I

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think we should shift the focus of public funding into the upkeep of

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cinemas like this, where they show the kind of movies which Multiplexs

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have no interest. Cinemas which speak an international language of

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fear, has no fear of subtitles and which values movies beyond spread

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sheet success and box office clout. You can hear more from Mark at the

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Books Festival this Saturday. Now it's my final week at the Festival.

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Can I say my highlight has been meeting a musical hero of mine,

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Philip Glass. He was here last week, with the Philip Glass Ensemble,

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performing the scores he wrote for the extraordinary films by Godrey

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Reggio. During the interview I held him, I cried, I told him I loved

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him, I loved him, I loved him, but here are the bits they could use.

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The collaboration between one of the world's most influential

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composers and one of the most visionary producers gave us three

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exquisite pieces. Godfrey spent a lot of time with the Hopis and

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talked to the elders of the community and these ideas kind of

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matured around these words in a certain way. Catcy means life.

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the first is life was transformation and the third is

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life is cannibalism. It's mostly about, it's about the

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transformation of skwiet through technology. That's really the

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Reggio's films are ground breaking, packed full of provocative images

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and time lapsed images. The close working relationship between

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composer and director is unique. The way we chose to work is

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sometimes the music came first, sometimes the pictures came first.

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We didn't work in the traditional film way. You're presentsed with

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the images as a composer and you have to... Dress them up. We didn't

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do that at all. Neither of us had maed a movie before. That helped.

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It was very helpful. We can re- invent how the form could work.

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Collaborations have always been important to Glass. He's teamed up

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with artists like Ravi Shankar, David Bowie, Woody Allen and Allen

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Ginsberg. His musical style is often

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associated with John Adams, Steve Reich and Terry Riley, composers of

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the minimalist school. It's a term he's in the a fan of. The tag

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you've been given, like kryptonite I imagine now to you, the term

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"minimalism", how do you respond to that? It was perfectly fine until

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about 1976. The only real difficulty with using that word is

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that if you tell somebody what it is, they'll look at it and say well,

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is that minimalism. Then you're in trouble because it doesn't, you

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know it's a shorthand that's mostly invented by media. The difficulty

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is that instead of preparing people for what they're going to see they

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prepare people to be disappointed, because they don't understand what

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the word has to do with what What it meant for me was putting

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together the idea of form and content. In other words the

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structure became the content of the music. If you look at it that way,

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you can see that by minimalism, there was no place for skrainious

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idea like putting a story in. Despite being described as

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America's greatest living composer, Philip Glass still divides critics.

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His signature repetitive ar Beth yoz and at times impassive delivery

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can (arpeggios) at times impassive delivery. It's like saying that

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breathing is meical -- mechanical. Of course it is. But every breath

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is a little bit different. Your breath gives you life. When you

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look at it this way, your pulse is I began working with Ravi Shankar

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in the 1960s. I was a young fellow. And through him I was introduced to

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the structure of classical ifpbdian music. The ridge make structure of

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Indian muse sick made up of twos and threes, it's binary. Digital

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struck skhur ones and Zeroes. It's the same thing.

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The way I write music is the way people are sending messages and

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it's the way language is constructed now. So it was kind of

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accidental, because I was actually entered it through the world of

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global music. That's a very important idea. Because my

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generation of people were the one that's went out and began going to

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Africa and Asia and Australia and South America and learning about

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how music was made this those places. I put it right into the

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Some people might think this is your Edinburgh debut, you'd be

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leading the whole thing. But Michael Riesman is conducting and

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you are in the thick of it, playing. If you want to see me by myself, I

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do a lot of solo concerts, 20 or 30 a year. That's where you get to see

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me do that. The reason I don't do the other thing is it's just too

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much work. The amount of preparation that Michael has to do

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auditioning players and actually leading the rehearsals, it would

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very, it would leave very little You know, I don't have any problem

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being the third key board player. It means I don't have to practise

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as much as the others, playing with a group of people whether I

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practiced that morning or not will not make any difference to you as a

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listener. It's very, my name's all over the thing, the Glass ensemble,

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what do I care. If people think Michael, he's a handsome fellow.

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You've got it all worked out. think I do. I think you have.

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other words, generally when I work in collaboration with people, I let

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them do what they do best and I leave them alone.

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He was amazing. He was amazing. He was amazing. He was amazing. So in

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the last of the assignments for our festival virgin Michael Smith, we

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packed him off to find out about Every August Edinburgh floats free

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in the bubble of unreality. A temporary make-believe world. A can

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Valesque suspension of the everyday. But unlike other festivals, this

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other reality isn't played out in muddy fields. It overruns and

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cannibalises a beautiful capital city. It seems like every nook and

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cranny is utilised for all kinds of performances. I want to explore

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some of the stranger places and see how they influence the work.

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The play you once said yes, involved a series of one on one

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encounters with 13 actors across the city. You never know what to

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expect. Let's go. Time is of the essence. Shut your door. What are

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we doing? You having a laugh? We're doing the bank, mate of course.

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You've been fully prepped. I know you have, mate. No time like the

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present. Kev told me you got the clothes. Who's kev? You telling me

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kev hasn't given you the clothes? The bossman? What are you talking

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about? You ain't got the clothes? Are you having a laugh, mate. Who

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agrees to join a sting that you know nothing about. You're a

:26:08.:26:13.

lunatic. Get out of my car. Don't you tell no-one or I will find,

:26:13.:26:23.
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Michael. Every pedestrian is a potential performer. Even a stroll

:26:31.:26:37.

in the park can lead to an impromptu show. This year by

:26:37.:26:42.

conceptual comic Simon Munnery. will see if I can find that waiter

:26:42.:26:49.

for you. Alfopbs? Alfonso, he's in the difference. If you could hold

:26:49.:26:53.

that and bring it close to yourself, that will complete the illusion.

:26:53.:26:59.

Look at him there with his pencil moustache. Look at him there. Yes,

:26:59.:27:09.
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I am here, I am write your orders down using my pencil moustache. For

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you, Sir... The plait bel gique. Why not. There we are. It's a man

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standing in the middle of Belgium. It's a small country. There's the

:27:27.:27:32.

tallest building. There's Belgium currency, some pebbles. And great

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Belgians from history, blank. It's a treat today, we have three, four

:27:40.:27:50.
:27:50.:27:55.

dead flies. OK we go with the bubbles. Viola. Welcome to the

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Fringe. You can't even find peace and quiet on a bus. Kenny is sick

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of the sight of Edinburgh. A great big church... After 19 years in the

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job, he's had enough. And for his last tour, he goes slightly left

:28:09.:28:13.

field. Particularly around the docks, famously has been

:28:13.:28:17.

regenerated. Invested in. Lots of swanky new flats and restaurants

:28:17.:28:22.

and the like. I don't know, some people say the character's gone.

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Certainly the prostitutes have. Unlike Kenny. I've fallen for

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Edinburgh's quirky charm. It's even got lovely toilets.

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Sailing on is staged in a ladies' loo. Me hosts are two drowned

:28:49.:28:52.

literary heroins. Let's just say I'm Virginia Woolf. You've probably

:28:52.:29:01.

heard of me. Let's just say that I'm Ephelia, just for now.

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The two women become fixated with a regular visitor, Momola, who hides

:29:07.:29:15.

a dark and tragic past. I went to the pier with my mum. It had been

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raining, so she was wearing this big raincoat, the one with the red

:29:21.:29:25.

rose in the button hole. She was wearing her favourite leather

:29:25.:29:35.
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They really use the confined space to get frequent in this play. Every

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bit of the toilet is used, like the sinks and the hand driers. You

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often find yourself getting out of the way of the performers as they

:29:54.:30:01.

use them. It really heightens the show as emotional impact.

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The next play is a much bigger stage set. The well-proportioned

:30:07.:30:14.

elegant streets of Edinburgh itself. Blood And Roses unfolds through a

:30:14.:30:23.

set of headphones. Welcome to my city. The home of so many stories.

:30:23.:30:27.

So many people, so many lives, so much history. It is a tale of love

:30:27.:30:33.

and loyalty spanning 400 years. It interweaves the lives of two

:30:33.:30:39.

families, from war-torn Russia and contemporary Scotland. I promise to

:30:39.:30:44.

love, honour and cherish you. promise to love, honour and cherish

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you. It has a nice dynamic, this play, because while you get to

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wander round the physical fabric of the city, with the headphones on

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you explore the memories and forgotten lives of generations who

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lived hire. The two complement each other well. It is also the only

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play that's ever given me a stitch. Edinburgh's drama and character

:31:15.:31:20.

make it the perfect city for sight- specific shows. The city is like

:31:20.:31:25.

one big stage set itself and like a magnificent or grande dame

:31:26.:31:35.
:31:36.:31:37.

Edinburgh is the star of the show. One someone a witty, brutal and

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erotic cornerstone of Arabic literature. It's been turned into

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epic theatre, with a cast from Africa and the Middle East.

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Journalist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown went the meet Tim and the leading

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actress. We think we know One Thousand And

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One Nights. The exciting exploits of Aladdin and Ali Baba. But that's

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just the anodyne children's version. The original is a complex

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collection of stories about the Arab world that emerged at the same

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:32:34.:32:34.

time as the Arab empire itself was being forged. One Thousand And One

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Nights is an adult fairy-tale, an X rated fairy-tale, but at the heart

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of is it the power of storytelling. During the flashpoints and turning

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points of history, the ability to listen and tell becomes vital. When

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people have important things to say and describe, that's where they

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turn. Like the tale itself this, new protection came into being

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:33:14.:33:14.

against a backdrop of political upheaval and change. Involving a

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cast drawn from across the Arab nations, the rehearse arls were

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infused by if -- rehearsals were infused by the heat of the Arab

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Spring. Do you feel and do your actors feeling that with all that's

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happening, the political upheavals, that this little thing of you is

:33:43.:33:47.

self indulgent, disloi loyal to the missions that people are dying from

:33:47.:33:52.

in those countries? That's such a powerful question. There was a

:33:52.:33:56.

choice for some of the performers. The Egyptian performers had to

:33:56.:33:59.

decide do they stay in their country and be part of the changes

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taking place or do they come and do a play. At the same time this is

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not a play. This is an attempt to make an honest portrayal of a

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fundamental work of culture from the culture that is in struggle. To

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me and to the actors we know that what are we fighting for in any

:34:19.:34:23.

struggle of freedom if it is not the struggle of culture? What

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:34:33.:34:45.

revolution is worth a penny without The stories are risque, sexy. In

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some ways quite unacceptable in the cultures which you are now

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describing. What reactions did you expect? The relation between men

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and women is the central subject of One Thousand And One Nights.

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Through that prism you get all other relationships explored,

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including the despots, including political power, including the law

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and religion. But it is all the great ne'ertives of One Thousand

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And One Nights -- narratives of One Thousand And One Nights. It is a

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metaphor isn't it? Power is at the heart of that narrative. To his

:35:28.:35:36.

horror he found her lying in the awares of one of the kitchen boys.

:35:36.:35:42.

The story unfolds in the Palace where the King, having witnessed

:35:42.:35:47.

his wife's infidelity, vows to sleep with and slaughter a

:35:47.:35:55.

different Virgin every night. In a gesture of self sacrifice

:35:55.:36:02.

Scheherazade must spin a tale every evening to prevent her impending

:36:02.:36:05.

doom. Scheherazade always has to find a new way of interesting him.

:36:05.:36:14.

It is One Thousand And One Nights. She had children and she kept going.

:36:14.:36:24.

It is the power of the story that saved her. Did that to me really

:36:24.:36:28.

stood out, that here in this extraordinary text you get every

:36:28.:36:34.

trick under the sun. Yes. And some you haven't even thought of. And in

:36:34.:36:37.

a sense, so much more effective than the more obvious things that

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we now do in modern times to attract and keep our men. It is not

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just about the one man, women have sexual needs and one man is not

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enough sometimes. There are stories of women who are married to Princes

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but want to sleep with slaves and have orangies with slaves. I think

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we are more exposed to men's needs. You do realise you said something

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which is pretty revolutionary in the 21st century, in terms of where,

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especially in Muslim communities and societies are at the moment?

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Well, Muslim women who are in places like Saudi Arabia, where it

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is not easy to express yourself, not easy to show your sexuality and

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to own your sexuality as a woman. But these stories happen. I'm a

:37:23.:37:30.

Muslim woman so I do not say this as as an outsider. And I think

:37:30.:37:35.

there's a kind of knowledge about sex amongst women in the Arab

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countries which is so sophisticated. People really don't get that image

:37:39.:37:44.

in the media and elsewhere. because they don't have access to

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it. But I find that sex is discussed in such frankness and

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honesty between Muslim Arab women while they are with each other,

:37:54.:38:00.

more so than in the West. So in a way this is an eternal story then?

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Yes. For our times and theirs? and it continues. I would fall in

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love with you. Edinburgh can be tough for comics.

:38:13.:38:18.

It can go one of two ways. You could be feted by audiences and

:38:18.:38:28.

critics, bathed in champagne, or slumped in a gutter eating sub-

:38:28.:38:33.

standard chips sobbing, "Why?" But enough of my Edinburgh experience.

:38:33.:38:39.

Swing a ball everybody. One name on everybody's lip this is year is

:38:39.:38:44.

Adam Riches. One critics declared him the funniest man on the Fringe.

:38:44.:38:52.

Nick Helm has hit the comedy sweet spot this year His show he's either

:38:52.:38:57.

ritually humiliating his audience or singing to them. There seems to

:38:57.:39:03.

be a theme this year, it is prevalent in your shows, of

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audience participation. I use the word lightly. It verging on kidnap.

:39:11.:39:18.

Good. So it is like revenge? well, to be pretentious... Oh, do!

:39:18.:39:24.

You are in the right place for it. I am on The Culture Show. I guess

:39:24.:39:27.

what I do and what do you is develop from people coming out

:39:27.:39:31.

there and people not being apathetic. You've got to pull them

:39:32.:39:36.

into the show to do it. The quickest way to start the show is

:39:36.:39:42.

not giving them an option. You have to say you have got to participate

:39:42.:39:46.

otherwise there is no show. I haven't got time. It is going to

:39:46.:39:52.

happen with or without you. It is to you if it is a good one or not.

:39:52.:39:57.

Move over... There's a lot of inTim asy. Some would almost say erotic.

:39:57.:40:02.

There's a bed scene? I think that's been misread. I think it was fairly

:40:02.:40:10.

explicit. It is father and son. It was meant to be paternal. But it

:40:10.:40:15.

didn't feel paternal but you put your leg over him. Don't ever leave

:40:15.:40:18.

me, Kev. You can be anything you want to be, Kev. You can be

:40:18.:40:24.

anything you want to be. Anything. You don't need help, nuclear the

:40:24.:40:28.

safest place in the world right now. Don't blame me for the position

:40:28.:40:33.

you've put yourself in. LAUGHTER Sometimes you feel comedy is being

:40:33.:40:36.

performed at you and you are separate from it. That's been I

:40:36.:40:44.

think a trend that's carried on until recently. That was from doing

:40:44.:40:49.

the same thing every month. That would and has been boring to do. To

:40:49.:40:53.

push yourself and keep the show fresh and keep me on the toes to

:40:53.:41:01.

last a month. It was good to involve the audiences, a frisson, a

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different torpedo potentially to ruin it. What if they wouldn't play

:41:07.:41:12.

ball? If they don't get up... They are getting up. If you let one

:41:12.:41:15.

person by and through, that filters through to the rest of the room.

:41:16.:41:21.

breaks your authority. You have to stay in complete command. Even if

:41:21.:41:25.

if remaining 40 minutes is yelling at one guy... I want tow look out

:41:25.:41:30.

at this sea of beautiful people and pick me out the most beautiful and

:41:30.:41:37.

attractive female in your opinion. I beg your pardon young man! How

:41:37.:41:41.

old are you to be using that language. Where else do you get the

:41:41.:41:45.

pick a woman. Pick one. She's not looking at you at off. They are

:41:45.:41:50.

always the people I picked. When I grabbed you, you were looking at

:41:50.:41:55.

the floor! LAUGHTER Who would you like? Who is the most attractive

:41:55.:42:00.

woman in here? The fine young lady there. Just here? What's wrong with

:42:00.:42:06.

the one here in red? LAUGHTER kidding. I know exactly what's

:42:06.:42:11.

wrong with her. LAUGHTER Come up here for me my darling. You've got

:42:11.:42:16.

it very easy today. You just have to stand there to the side and look

:42:16.:42:25.

radiant for me. That's good. You've got a girlfriend? No. Oh, right!

:42:25.:42:32.

You got a boyfriend? Is he here tonight? Ooh! Come on! I feel I can

:42:32.:42:40.

get more out of people if I celebrate them more. They do get

:42:40.:42:45.

berated but if there's a sense that they are going to be the hero and

:42:45.:42:52.

get applause at the end, their ego will kick in and they'll do that.

:42:52.:42:55.

would be interested to see what happens next year. I imagine

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there'll be a slew of people doing more participation because of you.

:43:02.:43:08.

We should combine a show next year. It would be too sweaty and too

:43:08.:43:13.

sexual. Too much for any person to stand. They would have to add

:43:13.:43:23.
:43:23.:43:25.

another star. Six stars. Can I just say the smell of the Vic's you

:43:25.:43:32.

applied med show will stay with me forever. I do sweat a lot. It hid

:43:32.:43:42.
:43:42.:43:53.

the smell of my crotch. You didn't I was going to do that! Anything

:43:53.:43:57.

goes in Edinburgh. Freedom of expression is not just tolerated

:43:57.:44:02.

but positively embraced. Artists of all kind around the world can face

:44:02.:44:08.

imprisonment or worse for acts of self expression. Comedian and

:44:08.:44:18.

activist Mark Thomas went to meet A festival turns everything upside

:44:18.:44:23.

down, so the grey of Edinburgh become as live with performers and

:44:23.:44:32.

drunkenness and lewdness and freedom of expression.

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Yes there are problems with this festival. It's too bourgeoise,

:44:36.:44:40.

there are too many comics, street performers, people with face paint

:44:40.:44:44.

and too many drama students handing out leaflets for substandard plays.

:44:44.:44:47.

But there are spaces at this festival where international

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performers get a chance to use the freedom of expression here that is

:44:51.:45:01.
:45:01.:45:05.

not available to them back in their Nassim Soleimanpour is a 29-year-

:45:06.:45:10.

old Iranian playwright who has been refuse aid passport bit authorities

:45:10.:45:13.

because he didn't do military service, so he can't leave Iran and

:45:13.:45:16.

he's used that to his advantage, creating one of the most original

:45:16.:45:21.

and exciting works on the Fringe. There is no set, no director and

:45:21.:45:25.

the actor, well, they get a different actor to perform the show

:45:25.:45:31.

each day. Neither the audience nor the actor

:45:31.:45:34.

know what's going to happen until the actor is given a sealed

:45:34.:45:39.

envelope with the script inside. OK. So I have just opened the

:45:39.:45:43.

envelope. I've begun to read and I have no idea what's going to happen.

:45:43.:45:49.

It's not really a play. The playwright himself describe it's as

:45:49.:45:52.

an experiment. It's an experiment without plot or narrative but it

:45:52.:45:57.

encourages the actor and audience to kind of get together in an

:45:57.:46:00.

imagined world. My name is Nassim Soleimanpour. Because this might be

:46:00.:46:06.

the first time you've heard such a name, Nassim is usually a girl's

:46:06.:46:10.

name in Iran, nonetheless I am a boy. I don't know the name or

:46:10.:46:14.

gender of the person saying these lines. Dear actor, what is your

:46:14.:46:20.

name? Tom. I've always have a dream of writing something which makes me

:46:20.:46:23.

free. I'm 29 as I write this, full of hopes and energy. But I'm not

:46:23.:46:27.

free. Not enough to travel. We've had very different audience

:46:27.:46:30.

reactions. Some of them quite extreme actually. It changes the

:46:30.:46:33.

direction of the end of the play. It's fascinating to see the build

:46:33.:46:36.

up of the tension right at the end that leads to the audience making a

:46:37.:46:39.

decision on how they wish to continue and finish the play.

:46:40.:46:44.

me explain, we have a play which has gathered us here. At the end of

:46:44.:46:50.

it, the actor who's speaking right now might very well commit suicide.

:46:50.:46:56.

This is a part of the play. And, he will not know this might happen

:46:56.:47:02.

until this very moment of this very reading.

:47:02.:47:07.

I think the piece is an incredible peace actually because the actor

:47:07.:47:10.

doesn't know watt script is, there's a real sense of danger.

:47:11.:47:13.

What's remarkable about it is you feel the writer's presence there.

:47:13.:47:17.

You feel it throughout the piece. The yearning to actually be there

:47:17.:47:27.
:47:27.:47:29.

There are many performers who will talk about risk taking or believe

:47:29.:47:35.

they take them. There are students stechtruepz who think being risque

:47:35.:47:40.

is about doing songs about bestiality. There are those who

:47:40.:47:43.

think taking risks is about political comedy. But there are

:47:43.:47:50.

real risk takers like the Belarus Free Theatre.

:47:50.:47:56.

We are banned in our country. We are illegal in our country. We are

:47:57.:48:02.

prohibited theatre. We are the only independent company in Belarus. The

:48:02.:48:08.

rest are state-run theatres, controlled by the government. In

:48:08.:48:17.

order to survive, you just need to go underground. We've been allowed

:48:17.:48:21.

into the rehearsal for the Belarus Free Theatre here. It has to be

:48:21.:48:25.

said that the fact the vast majority of the company do not

:48:25.:48:29.

speak English probably adds to the sense of chaos that Edinburgh

:48:29.:48:39.
:48:39.:48:40.

naturally brings in during the When you said your performances are

:48:40.:48:45.

underground, could you describe a typical performance. First of all,

:48:45.:48:49.

you need to find the place where to perform. When we start, it was in

:48:49.:48:55.

the clubs and bars. But then, it came to the moment when few

:48:55.:49:02.

business people who help us to perform, they lost their license.

:49:02.:49:06.

We started to perform even in the woods, when it's summertime, so

:49:06.:49:16.
:49:16.:49:17.

more people could see it. Welcome to Minsk! Vaclav Havel who

:49:17.:49:22.

is the patron of our theatre, he told us that if you want to change

:49:22.:49:27.

your life, can you not whisper, you need to say very openly and loudly

:49:27.:49:33.

whatever you think. Otherwise if you whisper, you would continue

:49:33.:49:43.
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In Belarus it's not just the performers who have to be brave.

:49:47.:49:51.

Just being in the audience requires courage. Police arrive and they

:49:51.:49:56.

film faces of spectators, then they go into schools, universities, jobs

:49:56.:50:00.

and they just threaten people, they would lose education, jobs and this

:50:00.:50:07.

is what's happening. We say that we love our audience all over the

:50:07.:50:11.

world, but our audience in Belarus the most bravest audience in the

:50:11.:50:15.

world. The first play they are performing is about sex in the city.

:50:15.:50:20.

But the city in question is Minsk, so even the most simple questions

:50:20.:50:28.

become hugely political. We do not care how people call us, if you

:50:28.:50:33.

want us to become political theatre, call us political theatre. You want

:50:33.:50:39.

to say that it's another kind of theatre, we're happy about it. We

:50:39.:50:44.

just want to say whatever we want, whenever we want, wherever we want

:50:44.:50:48.

to whom we want by means of the theatre. So freedom of expression?

:50:48.:50:58.
:50:58.:50:59.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And Belarus Free Theatre and White

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Rabbit Red Rabbit run until the 29th August.

:51:01.:51:05.

Now the fringe finishes on Monday. The international festival powers

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through until the 4th September. And next week sees the opening of

:51:10.:51:14.

acclaimed Chinese choreographer Shen Wei's Re-Triptych which takes

:51:14.:51:19.

home coming as its theme. Born in rural China, Shen Wei now lives in

:51:19.:51:21.

New York, where Clemency Burton- Hill went to catch up with him

:51:21.:51:31.
:51:31.:51:39.

Artist and choreographer Shen Wei has been a presence on the New York

:51:39.:51:46.

dance scene since he moved here from China in 1995. Known for his

:51:46.:51:49.

completely original movement and spectacular vishuals his work is

:51:49.:51:53.

influenced by his background in traditional Chinese opera, which he

:51:53.:52:00.

studied from the age of nine. He also works as a painter and

:52:00.:52:06.

designer, which is evident in his dance work. His success abroad was

:52:06.:52:10.

rewarded at home, when in 2008, he was invited to create a work for

:52:10.:52:13.

the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics.

:52:13.:52:19.

His company Shen Wei Dance Arts made its debut here in 2000. Their

:52:19.:52:24.

work, which fuses eastern and western philosophy and aesthetics

:52:24.:52:30.

it's led to him -- his being recognised as one of the world's

:52:30.:52:36.

contemporary choreographers. I can feel that you are enjoying

:52:36.:52:40.

your own world. That moment is real nice. I caught up with the company

:52:40.:52:47.

at one of their final rehearsals before they left for Edinburgh.

:52:47.:52:51.

Shen Wei the man, is really specific. Though there's a lot of

:52:51.:52:55.

freedom to put your own creativity, he demands you communicate it

:52:55.:53:03.

clearly. Don't worry about anything in the room. Only focus your

:53:03.:53:06.

situation. I've been working with him for three years. So it's great.

:53:06.:53:11.

It's a big challenge to be able to push your body's limits. There's a

:53:12.:53:19.

kind of really nice sense of his intuition about how it push us to

:53:19.:53:25.

work harder. Here, once you guys go on the legs here, you go so reach

:53:25.:53:34.

up. It's like a reach up. My dancers have been trained in my

:53:34.:53:41.

own technique called natural body development. I have been here 11

:53:41.:53:51.
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years to develop this technique by In many ways your work is being

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seen through the eyes of a painter, which of course, you are. What

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comes first - the image or the movement? For me, personly, always

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the passion come first. Without passion I cannot even start it. Of

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course, each production may have each different process. The work

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the company are bringing to Edinburgh, the Re-Triptych was

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inspired by Shen Wei's travels throughout the Asian continent.

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first part of the is in Tibet, the traditional chanting, tempo, by a

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Two is about my journey in Cambodia, because all amazing, humungous

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temples that integrate with the nature of the trees, then you will

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see human power and the power of nature, of the trees, combined

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In common with Shen Wei's other work Re-Triptych explores the

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differences between the distinct actualures of the East and West.

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the East, especially in China, they are really focus on the power of

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unity or collective. You look at the Western culture, New York, they

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are really focused on individual power, over creativities. Those

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cultures are so different. I find Some people find the language of

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contemporary dance quite alienating, quite different. What would you say

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to someone who hasn't ever seen your work, what's it really about?

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You know, art is all about inspiration and how I can give you

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something you feel, but you may not complete understand. I think that's

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the purpose of art. Really enjoy the freedom of closing eyes, like

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you're in a disco, you really don't care, you just play around with

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whatever you want. And Re-Triptych is on from the first to the third

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of September. That's is all we've time for at Edinburgh. If you want

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more festival fix tune into the review show tomorrow night at 11pm

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on BBC two. We're back on your screens on 29th September. It's

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time for me to leave. I'm due at a clown orgy. I will leave you in the

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