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Well, luckily for us, the Mayans were wrong | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
and it didn't all end in 2012. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
So here we are, back with a bang, braving the elements | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
to bring you a brand new series of The Culture Show | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
with the very best of the arts in 2013. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
'Tonight, Unexpected Lessons In Love, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
'the lowdown on Pride And Prejudice | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
'and the biggest manhunt of all time.' | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
But we're going to warm up, I hope, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:37 | |
with the first blockbuster exhibition of the year. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
The Royal Academy is staging a major exhibition of portraits | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
by the great 19th-century French artist Edouard Manet. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
As the organisers put the finishing touches to the show, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
I went along to take a look at the lives and loves of Manet's Paris. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
"Painting begins with Manet." | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
So said another celebrated French artist, Paul Gauguin. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
High praise, indeed. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
As Paris steamed into the modern age | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
in the second half of the 19th century, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Edouard Manet painted life as HE saw it, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
restlessly breaking with accepted artistic conventions. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
In his lifetime, Manet was viciously attacked by conservative critics of the day. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:33 | |
Others, especially novelists, poets, his fellow painters, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
revered him, both as the founder of Impressionism | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
and as a father of Modern Art. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
Manet's less well known for his portraits, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
but as this absorbing exhibition shows, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
he ingeniously blurred the line between portraiture | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
and scenes of everyday life, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
transforming the very idea of what a portrait might be. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
Take this deeply disconcerting, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
deliberately bewildering masterpiece of 1862, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
Music In The Tuileries Gardens. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Manet shows us a gathering of fashionable Parisians | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
in a little garden just between la Place de la Concorde and the Louvre. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:23 | |
This is a painting of modern life. How does Manet see modern life? | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
I think he sees it as a blur, as a chaos, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
as a constant experience of walking through the gardens, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
the streets of this new metropolis. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Everywhere you look, you see people. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
Do you know them? Do you not know them? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
Then gradually, as you become accustomed | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
to the apparent formlessness of the picture, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
you realise that people's faces begin to jump out at you, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
and they are recognisable faces. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Here is Offenbach, the composer. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
Here's Manet's brother. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
Here, right at the edge, is Manet himself. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
Look at this lady's face. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
She is Valentine Lejosne. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
Then, move up, and who's that? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
That blurred face. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
That's Charles Baudelaire, the greatest critic of the 19th century, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
and it was in her house that Manet met Baudelaire. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
And that was absolutely key to him. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Baudelaire's essay on the painting of modern life, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
in which Baudelaire argued that modernity is the fleeting, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
the transitory, the contingent. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
That became Manet's bible. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Manet WAS Baudelaire's painter of modern life. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:50 | |
What looks like a chaotically random depiction of a sea of humanity | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
is, in fact, a carefully planned assault | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
on all of the existing conventions of portraiture | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
and group portraiture. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Throwing his friends into the maelstrom of city life was itself highly unusual. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
It was also the striking way Manet captured individual subjects | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
that was revolutionary. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Meet Berthe Morisot, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
the poster girl of the exhibition, and you can see why. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
What a wonderfully fresh, informal, intimate portrait this is. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:33 | |
What's remarkable about the pose is how unposed it is. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
Looking at the painting, you feel as if you've just chanced upon her, perhaps at some gathering, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
she's caught your eye, she's ready to strike up conversation. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
There's none of that stayed, school photograph formality | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
of the portraiture of the past. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
I think the blacks and whites of the image | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
very much suggest Manet's interest in photography. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
He was fascinated by the way particularly blurred photographs | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
seem to confront you with the image of someone | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
who's moving as you speak to them, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
and he's created his own equivalent to that blurring effect | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
in his handling of paint. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
What's also new about the picture, I think, is "the gaze" | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
with which she confronts you, she meets you. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
As a new kind of woman, bohemian, independent, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
as Morisot was herself, a painter. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
She is looking at Manet. He is looking at her. And they're equals. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
As he looked to push the limits of portraiture ever further, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
Manet's habit of painting people he knew allowed for great intimacy | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
and freedom on the canvas. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
Victorine Meurent was his favourite model | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and the main subject of some of his most controversial works. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Here, she's a hard-faced prostitute greeting another client. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
But she appears again in the Dejeuner Sur L'Herbe. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
This picture is a later and slightly sketchier, smaller version | 0:05:59 | 0:06:05 | |
of the original Dejeuner Sur L'Herbe in the Musee D'Orsay, but it's every bit as shocking. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
Here, we see Victorine completely naked, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
having a picnic with two fully clothed Parisian gentlemen, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
while her scantily clad companion bathes in the background. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
Manet based it on Renaissance images of the legendary Arcadia, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:31 | |
a rural paradise peopled by nymphs and shepherds, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
where men go to retune their troubled souls. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
It's as if Manet's asking, "What would that paradise be now, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
"in 19th-century France?" | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Manet's trying to distance himself from the myths of the past | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
and present a thoroughly disenchanted, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
disconcerting view of present reality. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
Manet said, "It has always been my ambition not to remain the same, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
"constantly to be inspired by something new, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
"to register a new note." | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
His determination to stay fresh is reflected | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
in one of the most enigmatic works in the show. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
What a radiant, haunting picture to leave us with. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
From the National Gallery of Art in Washington, it's the Railway of 1873. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
Once again, Manet has taken an existing convention of portraiture, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
here it's the mother-daughter portrait, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
and he's turned it on its head, turned it inside-out. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
They're not even mother and daughter. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
That's Victorine Meurent once again. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
The little girl is the daughter of Manet's neighbour. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
And even more radically, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
he's turned her AWAY from the viewer. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
It's a portrait in which you can't see the girl's face. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
Normally, mother and daughter would have been placed indoors, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
seated beside one another, perhaps on a chaise longue. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
But here, Manet's taken them outside and he's perched them | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
on the edge of the pit of that great inferno, the Gare St Lazare, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
Paris's biggest railway station. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
And I think what he's doing is he's making us think, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
once again, about the nature of modern life. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
This little girl, if she has to learn one thing, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
it's that she doesn't know what this turbulent future holds. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
That, for Manet, is the essence of modern life. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
And I think it's as true for 2013 as it was for 1873. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:54 | |
Manet didn't just change portrait painting, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
he didn't just change painting, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
he changed the very way in which we think about ourselves | 0:09:00 | 0:09:06 | |
and about our world. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
Manet Portraying Life opens on Saturday | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
and continues here at the Royal Academy until 26th April. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
Next, film director Kathryn Bigelow, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
much celebrated as the only woman ever to win the Oscar for Best Director | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
back in 2008 with The Hurt Locker. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Her new film is based on the assassination of Osama bin Laden. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Zero Dark 30 has already caused a huge stir everywhere from Washington to Waziristan. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
Amidst the rumour and controversy, Mark Kermode caught up with her. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:47 | |
Are you ready back there? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
OK. And, action. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:52 | |
'Undercover CIA operations have an enduring appeal for filmmakers. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
'You know the drill - the maverick agent with the questionable past, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
'determined to win the game - but then, that's just Hollywood. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
'Or is it?' | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
With any depiction of the CIA, on film or television, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
there's always a tension between hard fact and dramatic fiction. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
'In Zero Dark 30, Kathryn Bigelow has chosen a mission | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
'that ended in one of the most reported moments in CIA history...' | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
-We will never find him. -'..the hunt for Osama bin Laden.' | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
He's one of the disappeared ones. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Dramatising such an important news story so soon after it happened | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
is both bold and provocative - qualities we've come to admire in Kathryn Bigelow. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Unsurprisingly, Zero Dark 30 has itself made headlines, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
becoming the centre of a media storm about the depiction of torture | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
and the uneasy relationship between journalism and drama. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
For her detractors, Bigelow's movie is nothing short of militarist propaganda. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
For the director, the heart of the story was always its human aspect, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
taking us deep into the murky waters of the war on terror | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
as seen through the eyes of a tough female protagonist. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
Kathryn, when you started making Zero Dark 30, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
it was about the failed hunt for Osama Bin Laden. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
Whilst you were doing that, they found him. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
How did that change what you were working on? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
Well, about two-thirds of the way through that screenplay, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
May 1st 2011 happened, and so history necessitated | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
a rather sizeable pivot. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
The intelligence hunt became the predominant story | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
and the individuals at the heart of that operation. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
Now, the movie only looks at a handful of people. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
It's meant to represent the hundreds of people in that operation. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
What was interesting was the psychology behind those individuals in the intelligence community. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
In that what does it take for somebody to have that kind of drive | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
and dedication and determination and courage? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
'Amongst the tenacious agents involved in this sprawling operation | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
'it's a woman who holds the key.' | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
You got a phone call. "Get your ass to Islamabad!" | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
'Maya is played by Jessica Chastain, reportedly based on the life | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
'of a real operative still working undercover. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
'She's young, fiercely determined and focused | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
'on what is a professional and personal mission to find bin Laden.' | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
The publicity surrounding the movie has centred on the politics, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
but it seemed to me that the centre of the drama | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
is what happens to Jessica Chastain's character and how we see the world through her eyes. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
Oh, absolutely. She is through whom you experience this intelligence hunt. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
And certainly as a filmmaker, what was interesting to me | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
was to put you in her shoes. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Third floor, north-east corner. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
'I think that's the way you experience the arduousness | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
'and complexity of that operation.' | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
You don't think she's a little young for the hard stuff? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Washington says she's a killer. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
It's an interesting psychology to observe. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
How important or coincidental was it that she's a woman? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Well, it so happened that she was a woman. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
'There were many women at the heart of this operation.' | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
There are two narratives about the location of Osama bin Laden. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
'Had it been a man, we would have... we definitely would have...' | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
The story would have revolved around a man. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
Ironically, I was surprised that I was surprised that there were women at the heart of this operation. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
The second narrative is that he's living in a city. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
Living in a city with multiple points of egress and entry, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
access to communications so that he can keep in touch with the organisation. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
You can't run a global network of interconnected cells from a cave. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
Action! | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
'The controversy surrounding the portrayal of CIA methods, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
'including waterboarding, has reached the highest echelons of US politics. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
'Alongside an investigation by the Senate's Intelligence Committee, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
'the CIA itself has seemingly gone from collaborator to critic. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
'Highly contentious statements have been published, accusing the film of validating torture. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
'But in a recent open letter to the LA Times, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
'Bigelow has emphasised that depiction is not endorsement.' | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
People have accused you of either glorifying or justifying torture. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
I was quite shocked at those allegations. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
How do you feel, and how do you answer them? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
I knew, going into it, it was going to be controversial. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
I was... I was surprised at the, um... | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
..at the degree of controversy. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
The harsh tactics were employed and are part of that story. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
To have eliminated it would have been a matter of whitewashing history. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
I think it's important to look at some regrettable acts | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
that were utilised in the name of finding bin Laden. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
Policies need to be examined and debated. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
And I think the debate about... enhanced interrogation techniques | 0:15:09 | 0:15:15 | |
is going to be a long and arduous one. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
-Kathryn Bigelow, thank you very much. -Thank you very much. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Zero Dark 30 is in cinemas on Friday. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Next tonight, writers Margaret Drabble and Bernadine Bishop | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
met when they were students and have been friends ever since. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Bernadine's latest novel was published last week, and it's already been much admired | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
for its tender treatment of lives lived with severe illness. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
Margaret met her old friend to find out how she tackled some of the last taboos of modern life. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:50 | |
As a student at Cambridge, I pursued my love of literature and books. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
My friend Bernadine and I were both very keen to be writers. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
It was the early '60s and a thrilling time to be a young woman. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Change was in the air and we felt we had the world at our feet. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
We both published, but while I continued, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Bernadine's career went in other directions. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
She stopped writing. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
50 years later, a new novel by my friend Bernadine Bishop | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
arrived in my inbox. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
Of course, I read it immediately. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Couldn't stop reading it, and it was so good that I told her she MUST get it published. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
Unexpected Lessons In Love is a funny and moving novel about cancer. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
Cecilia Banks, like Bernadine, is a retired psychotherapist, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
coming to terms with her life-threatening illness. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
Bernadine's lived almost a lifetime between books | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
and it took a life-changing event to get my old friend writing fiction again. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
-Maggie! -Hello, Bernadine! | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
LAUGHING: Hello! | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
-Wonderful! -Cold out? -Cold out. I'll shut the door. -Shut the door. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-And we can go into the warm. -Yes, exactly. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Lovely. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
Bernadine, what was it that prompted you to start writing again | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
after a lot of time had passed? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Um... I didn't know I was going to. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
A friend of mine | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
had always maintained that when I retired I would write. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
When I was hounded out of the profession by cancer, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
I thought, "Now I'm going to start the novel." | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
So it was a cancer-inspired novel. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
It gave you both the, um... the space to write it in... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
-Yes. -..and also your subject matter. -It did. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
I thought it would be nice for people to hear women talk about it | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
in a perfectly ordinary, funny way. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Why did you create two characters who had exactly the same physical condition - | 0:17:57 | 0:18:02 | |
the colostomy or, as you call it in the profession, the stoma? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
I think that was partly geared by the fact that I so wanted | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
-to have a stoma friend. -But didn't? -And I didn't have one. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
In a sense, the writing of your novel became your stoma friend. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
-Yes. -This was the place you were able to express your feelings. -Yes. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
-To describe things that perhaps even -I -might not have liked to listen to in such detail. -Yes. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
One friend said, "This is not a novel for the squeamish." | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
That had never occurred to me. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Because, of course, psychotherapists are never... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
If we were ever squeamish, we grow out of it when we're in our first year of training. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
'Bernadine's always been unshockable. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
'That stood her in good stead when, in 1960, she was caught up | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
'in the most famous literary court case of the century, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
'which changed the face of publishing for ever.' | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
You appeared in the Lady Chatterley trial. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Since then, the whole area of what's sayable in the novel has changed. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:07 | |
I think the zeitgeist was there already. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
The Lady Chatterley trial was part of the zeitgeist. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
-Something was beginning to happen? -Yes. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I do remember at that period, on Woman's Hour, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
you weren't allowed to mention the word "breast" or "cancer". | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
-Were you not? -No. They were taken out. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
-Really? -Yes. -But you know, the other day, they let me say "shit" on Woman's Hour. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:30 | |
"It was a year after her operation | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
"that Helen first met someone else with a colostomy. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
"She had learnt that there are 60,000 people in the UK who have one, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
"but she knew, or even knew of, no such fellow sufferer. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
"Of all the versions of cancer that are hearsay among non-medical people, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
"it was the version Helen had always dreaded the most. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
"She was not alone in this | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
"and had to watch a mirror image of her own shock and disbelief | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
"on friends' faces when she told them." | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
You've used the word "joy" about writing your novels. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
It's rather remarkable to have so much joy coming through illness | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
-and at the end of one's life. -Yes. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I'm very fortunate in those respects. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
It sounds to me as though you're on an on-going journey of discovery. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
I think I am. Yes. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
And sometimes, I feel so terrible about dying and death. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
Um... And I just have to lie there on my day bed | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
going down, going down, going down, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
until I can go no further. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
And then, at the moment when I can go no further... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
..there's wings underneath me. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
-I don't know where they come from. -A light breaks through the clouds a bit? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
A light breaks through the clouds and I just feel better. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
"What I'm agonising with is the pain of fear of pain. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
"Not the pain of pain itself. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
"And who knows but what it goes on like that each day? | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
"Each day, of itself, bearable." | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
We know that since you finished Unexpected, you've written two more novels. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
These novels now will make their own way. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
They will live on. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
There's something rather wonderful about that, that they will reach forth into the future. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:31 | |
-There they will go. -They will go their own way. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
And Unexpected Lessons In Love is out now. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
Next, to one of the great novels of the past, a literary masterpiece | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
that's stood the test of time for two centuries - | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Pride And Prejudice. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Jane Austen aficionado John Mullan explores the novel's many reincarnations on screen. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
"It is a truth universally acknowledged | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
"that a single man in possession of a good fortune | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
"must be in want of a wife." | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
It's exactly 200 years since one of the world's best-loved novels, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
Pride And Prejudice, was first published. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
A best-seller from its first edition in 1813, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
Jane Austen's classic has captivated us ever since - | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
on the page, but also on the screen. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
'In fact, our obsession with the love story of Elizabeth Bennet and Mr Darcy | 0:22:28 | 0:22:34 | |
'has led to no fewer than nine major TV and film adaptations. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:40 | |
'There's even been a Bollywood version, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
'complete with songs and saris. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
'So what is it about Pride And Prejudice that keeps us reinterpreting it?' | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
It's often said that it's the novel's big themes - | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
love and marriage, property and money - that make it timelessly popular. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
But plenty of novels talk about these. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
I think Pride And Prejudice is special because Austen manages | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
to make her characters' concerns about money or hopes for love | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
seem just as believable as our own. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
'Each adaptation is a new reading of the book, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
'reflecting its own time. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
'The Bennet sisters have been portrayed as country house genteel, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
'but also impoverished and down-at-heel. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
'While the matriarch, obsessed with her daughters' marriage prospects, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
'has been played as everything from giddy and twittering | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
'to downright hysterical.' | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
Oh! My poor child! | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
Now, all that remains are your other daughters... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
'But in the 1980 adaptation by feminist writer Fay Weldon, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
'we get an altogether tougher, more resilient Mrs Bennet.' | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
-No. -It is insupportable. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
You forced me into visiting him last year and promised me that he would marry one of my daughters. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
It ended in nothing and I will not be sent on a fool's errand again! | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
-Very well. -I -shall invite Mr Bingley. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Mrs Bennet is one of the most deliciously foolish humans in all fiction. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:16 | |
"Invariably silly" is how her author describes her. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
In this version, she's played as more forceful and less hysterical. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
Foolish still, but able to stand up to her husband. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
A Mrs Bennet reimagined for a post-feminist age, if you like. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
'The central figure in Pride And Prejudice | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
'is, of course, Elizabeth Bennet. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
'Played as arch and knowing, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
'or rebellious tomboy | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
'and as the epitome of Hollywood glamour. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
'Greer Garson opposite Lawrence Olivier | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
'in the first film of the book in 1940. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
'For a country at war, this was all about romantic escapism. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
'Here, the Netherfield ball is reimagined as a giant garden party, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
'where Mr Darcy challenges Elizabeth to an archery contest.' | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
Bull's-eye! | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
'The archery contest is an invented scene, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
'but it does play on the very thing that makes Elizabeth Bennet | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
'the best-loved heroine in English fiction.' | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
And another bull's-eye. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
What's so clever about the book is that whilst Elizabeth says and thinks that she dislikes Mr Darcy, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
we the readers are allowed to suspect otherwise. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
They may not shoot arrows against each other in the book, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
but they duel in another way - with words. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
It's by observing how they compete together as equals | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
that we come to realise that Elizabeth and Mr Darcy | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
are meant for each other. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
'Modern adaptations have played up the mounting sexual tension. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
'In the 1995 TV series, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
'Colin Firth sent a generation of women into raptures | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
'over his portrayal of a seductive hero.' | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Mr Darcy! | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
What people don't always realise is that Pride And Prejudice is actually full of sex, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:17 | |
it's just that allusions to it are quite subtle. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
The encounter at Pemberley is actually quite physical in the book. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
It's the only time in all Jane Austen's fiction | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
when a woman and a man are said to blush together. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
'The wet shirt scene is the adapter's way of showing | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
'what the reader can glimpse -' | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
That Mr Darcy is not so buttoned-up after all, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
that there is a sensualist underneath. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
'As for the ending, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
'you don't get THIS in the book. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
'But on screen, it has to be sealed with a kiss.' | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
It's no wonder that Pride And Prejudice has been re-made so many times. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
Consummately well written, it has a beautiful plot, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
crackling dialogue and characters with a matchless range of absurdities. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
Each generation has interpreted the book to suit their own age, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
confident that Austen could reflect their own ideals, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
their values and even their prejudices. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
We've had wartime escapism and 1980s feminism, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
gritty realism and colourful Bollywood. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
And now, this perfect novel | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
patiently awaits the next adaptation to come along. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
That's it for tonight. We'll be back next week with Tom Dyckhoff hosting a design special, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
featuring futurology, football and fashion. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
But to play us out, here's some photography by the ground-breaking Juergen Teller, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
whose major solo exhibition opened at the Institute of Contemporary Arts today. Good night. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
# I turn my camera on | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
# I cut my fingers on the way | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
# On the way The way I'm slipping away | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
# I turn my feelings off | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
# You made me untouchable for life | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
# Yeah | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
# And you wasn't polite | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
# Hit me like a tom | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
# You hit me like a tom | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
# You hit me like a tom... # | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
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