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Three of his four children failed to make it to adulthood. | 3:55:26 | 3:55:29 | |
He suffered from intense bouts of depression. | 3:55:29 | 3:55:32 | |
He was unhappily married. In 1833 he went bankrupt. | 3:55:32 | 3:55:36 | |
Abraham Lincoln did not live a charmed life, | 3:55:36 | 3:55:40 | |
but that, perhaps, is the point. | 3:55:40 | 3:55:42 | |
# Does anybody here | 3:55:44 | 3:55:47 | |
# See my old friend Abraham? | 3:55:49 | 3:55:52 | |
# Oh, can you tell me | 3:55:54 | 3:55:56 | |
# Where he's gone? # | 3:55:57 | 3:56:01 | |
There's no question that Abraham Lincoln was the greatest | 3:56:04 | 3:56:07 | |
President of the United States. There is no question. | 3:56:07 | 3:56:10 | |
I think that there's not a leader in the world | 3:56:10 | 3:56:13 | |
that can't learn from Lincoln. | 3:56:13 | 3:56:15 | |
Abe Lincoln is not great in spite of his humanity, | 3:56:15 | 3:56:18 | |
he's great because of his humanity. | 3:56:18 | 3:56:21 | |
He saw his own life story as a model | 3:56:21 | 3:56:27 | |
of what America should be for all. | 3:56:27 | 3:56:30 | |
What was at stake was the end of the experiment in democracy, | 3:56:30 | 3:56:34 | |
that's what was at stake, right? | 3:56:34 | 3:56:36 | |
I think he had almost a mystical belief in the Union | 3:56:36 | 3:56:39 | |
and what it might be. | 3:56:39 | 3:56:41 | |
George Washington is considered the father of our country, | 3:56:41 | 3:56:45 | |
and I think many people rightly believe that Lincoln was | 3:56:45 | 3:56:49 | |
the one that saved the country. | 3:56:49 | 3:56:51 | |
Since his assassination, Abraham Lincoln has been a constant | 3:56:54 | 3:56:57 | |
presence in the psyche of the American people. | 3:56:57 | 3:57:00 | |
Almost every President invokes him and none have done it more | 3:57:00 | 3:57:04 | |
than the current inhabitant of the White House. | 3:57:04 | 3:57:07 | |
Barack Obama is only President because of Abraham Lincoln's | 3:57:07 | 3:57:11 | |
achievements and Obama likes to see similarities between them as well. | 3:57:11 | 3:57:16 | |
Both of them, of course, have come to power through the rough | 3:57:16 | 3:57:19 | |
and tumble of Chicago politics. | 3:57:19 | 3:57:21 | |
And Obama as well has done what Lincoln did and bring in | 3:57:21 | 3:57:25 | |
at least one of his chief political rivals into his Cabinet. | 3:57:25 | 3:57:30 | |
Lincoln has been immortalised on screen | 3:57:30 | 3:57:32 | |
since the beginning of motion pictures. | 3:57:32 | 3:57:34 | |
2013 sees Steven Spielberg take up the baton | 3:57:34 | 3:57:38 | |
with his take on Lincoln's greatest achievement, the passage of | 3:57:38 | 3:57:42 | |
the 13th Amendment which abolished slavery from the United States. | 3:57:42 | 3:57:46 | |
Slavery is the only insult to natural law. | 3:57:46 | 3:57:49 | |
Even worthless, unworthy you ought to be treated equally before the law. | 3:57:49 | 3:57:54 | |
Lincoln is one of the world's most revered historical figures. Why? | 3:57:57 | 3:58:02 | |
He is the embodiment of the American Dream. | 3:58:06 | 3:58:10 | |
Other Presidents had been born into privilege, | 3:58:10 | 3:58:12 | |
but Lincoln's own life was the ultimate rags to riches story. | 3:58:12 | 3:58:17 | |
He represents the self-made man in America, that you can grow up | 3:58:17 | 3:58:21 | |
in a cabin in Kentucky and go to the White House in Washington DC. | 3:58:21 | 3:58:28 | |
This appeals to the American character. | 3:58:28 | 3:58:31 | |
And it's all about the land of opportunity. | 3:58:31 | 3:58:33 | |
Lincoln took the reins during the biggest crisis | 3:58:33 | 3:58:38 | |
America had ever faced. | 3:58:38 | 3:58:40 | |
He was the definitive war President, leading a deeply fractured | 3:58:40 | 3:58:44 | |
country through the bloodiest conflict in her history. | 3:58:44 | 3:58:48 | |
The nation in 1860 is profoundly divided. | 3:58:48 | 3:58:52 | |
Economically, socially and politically. | 3:58:52 | 3:58:55 | |
Seven states of the South secede from the Union, declaring | 3:58:55 | 3:58:59 | |
that this is no longer a union that serves the interest of | 3:58:59 | 3:59:03 | |
these seven southern states, and they set up their own Confederacy. | 3:59:03 | 3:59:07 | |
War was inevitable, | 3:59:07 | 3:59:09 | |
but by its end, Lincoln had achieved the impossible - | 3:59:09 | 3:59:15 | |
he had banished slavery from the shores of America. | 3:59:15 | 3:59:19 | |
He was able to use African-American emancipation as | 3:59:19 | 3:59:24 | |
the moral cause for the Civil War. He gave the Civil War purpose. | 3:59:24 | 3:59:29 | |
And it was for human rights. | 3:59:29 | 3:59:31 | |
We had this terrible fight over slavery that divided our country. | 3:59:31 | 3:59:38 | |
He made the courageous decisions to go to war to solve it, | 3:59:38 | 3:59:45 | |
was successful, and he abolished slavery. | 3:59:45 | 3:59:47 | |
The times were extraordinary times, and extraordinary measures | 3:59:47 | 3:59:51 | |
had to be taken by the Commander in Chief, | 3:59:51 | 3:59:54 | |
in order to preserve the Union and abolish slavery. | 3:59:54 | 3:59:57 | |
Lincoln's legend has been cemented by the stirring speeches | 3:59:57 | 4:00:02 | |
he used to rally the nation to the flag | 4:00:02 | 4:00:05 | |
Well, for all that you can learn about him through, | 4:00:05 | 4:00:08 | |
I mean, there are some really wonderful books, | 4:00:08 | 4:00:10 | |
I think you can learn so much more from his own words. | 4:00:10 | 4:00:15 | |
He understood the inherent power of language if used in the right way. | 4:00:15 | 4:00:20 | |
Lincoln was such a beautiful orator, he was a beautiful speaker. | 4:00:20 | 4:00:24 | |
Beautiful use of words. The Gettysburg Address is exquisite. | 4:00:24 | 4:00:29 | |
At the time he said, | 4:00:29 | 4:00:31 | |
"People will not long remember what is said here today" | 4:00:31 | 4:00:35 | |
but in 272 words, that is the most quoted speech in history. | 4:00:35 | 4:00:41 | |
That we here highly resolve that | 4:00:43 | 4:00:46 | |
these dead shall not have died in vain, | 4:00:46 | 4:00:48 | |
that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, | 4:00:48 | 4:00:52 | |
and that government of the people by the people, for the people, | 4:00:52 | 4:00:56 | |
shall not perish from the earth. | 4:00:56 | 4:00:59 | |
The Union was paramount to Abraham Lincoln | 4:01:01 | 4:01:05 | |
and by the end of the war he had reunited his country. | 4:01:05 | 4:01:09 | |
All of his oratory was about keeping that notion | 4:01:10 | 4:01:14 | |
of the Union together | 4:01:14 | 4:01:15 | |
and one people indivisible under God. | 4:01:15 | 4:01:18 | |
And that was what he was about. | 4:01:18 | 4:01:20 | |
Lincoln said, "The Union is the last best hope of Earth." | 4:01:20 | 4:01:23 | |
He didn't say, "The Union is the last best hope of Americans." | 4:01:23 | 4:01:26 | |
He said, "It's the last best hope of Earth." | 4:01:26 | 4:01:28 | |
It is the future, this is the best future for humankind. | 4:01:28 | 4:01:32 | |
But Lincoln would not get to enjoy his triumph. | 4:01:34 | 4:01:38 | |
His assassination, five days after the end of the war, | 4:01:38 | 4:01:42 | |
created a kind of modern day saint. | 4:01:42 | 4:01:45 | |
It begins at once. He's turned immediately into a Christ figure. | 4:01:45 | 4:01:51 | |
This is not just the death of a President, | 4:01:56 | 4:01:59 | |
this is the martyrdom of a person who has | 4:01:59 | 4:02:03 | |
brought about the transformation of the American nation. | 4:02:03 | 4:02:07 | |
I think one minute after he died, I think his foreign secretary said, | 4:02:07 | 4:02:12 | |
"He belongs to the ages." And it's true. He does. | 4:02:12 | 4:02:16 | |
Today the 16th President's face can be found everywhere | 4:02:22 | 4:02:26 | |
you look in the USA. | 4:02:26 | 4:02:27 | |
Even the youngest children learn about Lincoln at school. | 4:02:43 | 4:02:48 | |
Abraham Lincoln stopped slavery | 4:02:48 | 4:02:51 | |
and also he used to be the President of America. | 4:02:51 | 4:02:56 | |
He's on the penny. | 4:02:56 | 4:02:59 | |
He has a tall hat that's black. | 4:02:59 | 4:03:02 | |
Abraham Lincoln is the 16th President and he wears top hats. | 4:03:02 | 4:03:09 | |
He was assassinated, he was a Republican too. | 4:03:09 | 4:03:12 | |
He died April 15th. He got married to Mary Todd. | 4:03:12 | 4:03:18 | |
He was 28. Yeah, that's basically all I know. | 4:03:18 | 4:03:22 | |
ALL: One nation under God, indivisible, | 4:03:22 | 4:03:29 | |
with liberty and justice for all. | 4:03:29 | 4:03:33 | |
Lincoln is a constant source of fascination | 4:03:34 | 4:03:37 | |
to film-makers and audiences. | 4:03:37 | 4:03:39 | |
He has been portrayed by everyone from Walter Houston | 4:03:39 | 4:03:43 | |
in DW Griffith's 1930 biopic, | 4:03:43 | 4:03:46 | |
to the seminal performance by Henry Fonda in Young Mr Lincoln. | 4:03:48 | 4:03:52 | |
Fonda claimed that playing Lincoln was like playing Jesus. | 4:03:55 | 4:03:58 | |
Gentlemen, and fellow citizens. | 4:04:05 | 4:04:07 | |
I presume you all know who I am. | 4:04:10 | 4:04:12 | |
I'm plain Abraham Lincoln. | 4:04:14 | 4:04:16 | |
The most recent incarnation of the Great Emancipator is | 4:04:16 | 4:04:20 | |
Daniel Day-Lewis, who takes on the role | 4:04:20 | 4:04:23 | |
in Steven Spielberg's historical drama Lincoln. | 4:04:23 | 4:04:26 | |
I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power. | 4:04:26 | 4:04:31 | |
You will procure me these votes. | 4:04:33 | 4:04:36 | |
For many years, I got a kind of attitude. | 4:04:38 | 4:04:41 | |
-You know... -How dare you? | 4:04:41 | 4:04:43 | |
-..Almost like, who do you think you are? -Right. | 4:04:43 | 4:04:45 | |
Who do you think you are to tell the story, | 4:04:45 | 4:04:47 | |
to dare to tell the story of the greatest, | 4:04:47 | 4:04:49 | |
arguably the greatest President in history, Abraham Lincoln? | 4:04:49 | 4:04:52 | |
And I had other people reminding me that | 4:04:52 | 4:04:54 | |
nobody had made a movie about Lincoln in 72 years, | 4:04:54 | 4:04:57 | |
and there must be a good reason. | 4:04:57 | 4:04:58 | |
Wiser, wiser spirits out there in the world must know something | 4:04:58 | 4:05:02 | |
that you don't know. | 4:05:02 | 4:05:03 | |
That's why there's been this huge, desert of...this absence of, | 4:05:03 | 4:05:08 | |
leave him on the mountain, leave him in the monuments, | 4:05:08 | 4:05:11 | |
leave him on the money, you know, that kind of thing. | 4:05:11 | 4:05:14 | |
And that really did the opposite, it had the opposite effect on me. | 4:05:14 | 4:05:18 | |
It just fired me up. I went, oh, that's good. | 4:05:18 | 4:05:20 | |
Nobody's done anything like this in so many years, that's good. | 4:05:20 | 4:05:24 | |
Maybe it...maybe his time has come, maybe it's time for us | 4:05:24 | 4:05:26 | |
to bring him back, in a way. | 4:05:26 | 4:05:28 | |
I didn't want to find myself, working on this thing | 4:05:28 | 4:05:31 | |
and not able to serve Steven in what he was trying to do. | 4:05:31 | 4:05:35 | |
Or serve the story. I could feel that sort of involuntary tug | 4:05:35 | 4:05:41 | |
that you get from time to time, where you're being, | 4:05:41 | 4:05:47 | |
almost in spite of yourself, drawn into the orbit of another life, | 4:05:47 | 4:05:51 | |
and another world. | 4:05:51 | 4:05:53 | |
And I...and the first thing I normally do as a knee jerk reaction | 4:05:53 | 4:05:57 | |
is to resist that sensation. Please not...not again. | 4:05:57 | 4:06:02 | |
But I really understood the enormity of the task. | 4:06:02 | 4:06:07 | |
So many books have been written and they're broadly positive. | 4:06:08 | 4:06:11 | |
So many films have been done and they're broadly positive. | 4:06:11 | 4:06:14 | |
And that's kind of how reputation works. | 4:06:14 | 4:06:17 | |
And what you forget, or what the world forgets, | 4:06:17 | 4:06:21 | |
is all that went into that. | 4:06:21 | 4:06:24 | |
Abraham Lincoln's formative years are the key to unlocking | 4:06:33 | 4:06:37 | |
the mystery of the man behind the monument. | 4:06:37 | 4:06:40 | |
He wrote a short autobiography | 4:06:41 | 4:06:43 | |
for Presidential election purposes in 1860, | 4:06:43 | 4:06:48 | |
where he said that there was little to write about his early life | 4:06:48 | 4:06:52 | |
because it was really a life of poverty. | 4:06:52 | 4:06:55 | |
Lincoln is born in a log cabin on February 12th 1809, | 4:06:59 | 4:07:05 | |
the son of a poor Kentucky frontiersman. | 4:07:05 | 4:07:07 | |
Life is hard from the outset. | 4:07:11 | 4:07:14 | |
Before he reaches his tenth birthday, | 4:07:14 | 4:07:16 | |
both his brother Thomas and his mother die. | 4:07:16 | 4:07:19 | |
The young Abraham works the land with his father | 4:07:19 | 4:07:22 | |
but his desire to escape the farm is a constant motivator. | 4:07:22 | 4:07:26 | |
He's an avid reader when he can get books. | 4:07:28 | 4:07:30 | |
But books are hard to come by, and if there are stories | 4:07:30 | 4:07:32 | |
about his childhood that stick in the public consciousness, it is | 4:07:32 | 4:07:36 | |
the story of the man who walks many miles to get hold of books to read. | 4:07:36 | 4:07:41 | |
He apparently walked several miles to get hold of Kirkham's Grammar, | 4:07:41 | 4:07:45 | |
to learn about the structure of sentences. | 4:07:45 | 4:07:48 | |
This passion for self-improvement continues throughout his youth. | 4:07:51 | 4:07:55 | |
Lincoln even teaches himself law | 4:07:55 | 4:07:58 | |
as a way to advance his growing ambition. | 4:07:58 | 4:08:00 | |
By the time he reaches his 20s, | 4:08:02 | 4:08:04 | |
he is already taking an active interest in local politics. | 4:08:04 | 4:08:08 | |
When Lincoln first ran for office in 1832, | 4:08:10 | 4:08:14 | |
23 years old, he has no qualifications. | 4:08:14 | 4:08:18 | |
He has virtually no education, | 4:08:18 | 4:08:21 | |
he said, by his own calculation, his formal education, | 4:08:21 | 4:08:25 | |
bits and pieces throughout his life, amounted to no more than a year. | 4:08:25 | 4:08:28 | |
So he's self-taught, self-educated, but he runs for office in | 4:08:28 | 4:08:33 | |
his local community in New Salem in central Illinois. | 4:08:33 | 4:08:37 | |
And he saw politics as a way of being recognised, | 4:08:37 | 4:08:41 | |
of establishing himself and of forging a career for himself. | 4:08:41 | 4:08:45 | |
But that career is not a foregone conclusion. | 4:08:50 | 4:08:53 | |
Many of his attempts to climb the political ladder end in defeat | 4:08:53 | 4:08:57 | |
and an early business venture sees him file for bankruptcy. | 4:08:57 | 4:09:01 | |
In 1835 his first great love, | 4:09:04 | 4:09:06 | |
a local Kentucky girl called Ann Rutledge, dies suddenly. | 4:09:06 | 4:09:10 | |
Ann's death leads to a crippling nervous breakdown which highlights | 4:09:12 | 4:09:16 | |
a melancholic disposition that haunts Lincoln throughout his life. | 4:09:16 | 4:09:22 | |
There probably is something in the American people that likes to think | 4:09:22 | 4:09:25 | |
of their great leaders as being great, out there, always positive, | 4:09:25 | 4:09:30 | |
always upbeat, always trying to give everything a lift. | 4:09:30 | 4:09:33 | |
Whereas, clearly there was this other side to Lincoln and to his wife | 4:09:33 | 4:09:37 | |
that I think today we probably would define as depression. | 4:09:37 | 4:09:42 | |
He sometimes did find the whole kind of human intercourse thing | 4:09:42 | 4:09:45 | |
very, very difficult. | 4:09:45 | 4:09:47 | |
Some of the greatest figures in history - Churchill, Lincoln, Darwin, | 4:09:52 | 4:09:58 | |
Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale - all had what | 4:09:58 | 4:10:02 | |
I think today, if you were studying them, | 4:10:02 | 4:10:05 | |
you'd define as mental health problems. | 4:10:05 | 4:10:09 | |
Black Dog, Churchill, that was his phrase for his depressions. | 4:10:09 | 4:10:13 | |
Abraham Lincoln develops ways to cope with his recurring depression. | 4:10:17 | 4:10:23 | |
Throughout his life he keeps busy, | 4:10:23 | 4:10:25 | |
immersing himself in his work as a form of distraction. | 4:10:25 | 4:10:28 | |
There are statues, there are lithographs, | 4:10:32 | 4:10:35 | |
and one assumes that they all capture something about him. | 4:10:35 | 4:10:41 | |
And they do tend, insofar as if there's one thing that they capture, | 4:10:41 | 4:10:45 | |
it does tend to be that rather sad, melancholy, not hurt but just pained, | 4:10:45 | 4:10:54 | |
there's a pained look about him in a lot of the pictures | 4:10:54 | 4:10:57 | |
and a lot of the statues. | 4:10:57 | 4:10:59 | |
And one assumes that to have been real, because otherwise, | 4:10:59 | 4:11:04 | |
given he was such a huge figure and he has been so studied, | 4:11:04 | 4:11:08 | |
why would that have come down through history? | 4:11:08 | 4:11:11 | |
Lincoln enters the White House almost 30 years | 4:11:19 | 4:11:22 | |
after his first foray into politics. | 4:11:22 | 4:11:25 | |
During these years, he hones skills that will serve him well | 4:11:25 | 4:11:29 | |
when the Union falls apart. | 4:11:29 | 4:11:31 | |
Above all, and before all, | 4:11:31 | 4:11:35 | |
the Union must be preserved. | 4:11:35 | 4:11:39 | |
Lincoln was known for his great gift of oratory from | 4:11:39 | 4:11:43 | |
when he was a lawyer, but also running for office in politics. | 4:11:43 | 4:11:49 | |
He spent the time reading the great books | 4:11:49 | 4:11:53 | |
and also instilling that in his personality. | 4:11:53 | 4:11:57 | |
He read the Bible. | 4:11:58 | 4:12:00 | |
Lincoln was a Bible reader and Americans love oratory. | 4:12:00 | 4:12:04 | |
They are a Christian, evangelical nation | 4:12:04 | 4:12:09 | |
so a preacher is very important to an American. | 4:12:09 | 4:12:14 | |
The ability to do that. And Lincoln was able to do it. | 4:12:14 | 4:12:17 | |
Let us have faith that right makes might. | 4:12:20 | 4:12:24 | |
And in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty, | 4:12:24 | 4:12:30 | |
as we understand it. | 4:12:30 | 4:12:32 | |
In 1860, Lincoln's sights are set on the presidency. | 4:12:35 | 4:12:40 | |
But in order to win the Republican nomination, | 4:12:40 | 4:12:42 | |
he will have to take on and defeat the | 4:12:42 | 4:12:45 | |
three leading political heavyweights of the day, William Seward, | 4:12:45 | 4:12:49 | |
Salmon P Chase and Edward Bates. | 4:12:49 | 4:12:52 | |
When the Republicans were looking for a candidate to oppose | 4:12:56 | 4:12:58 | |
the Democrats in the 1860 election, there were several people who were | 4:12:58 | 4:13:02 | |
far more prominent, been in the Party earlier, | 4:13:02 | 4:13:05 | |
had held higher office than Lincoln. | 4:13:05 | 4:13:07 | |
Of course, one of the fascinating aspects of Lincoln's rise | 4:13:09 | 4:13:13 | |
to the presidency is, it was not an easy journey. | 4:13:13 | 4:13:17 | |
He always understood that anybody that he met, | 4:13:17 | 4:13:20 | |
anybody that he wrote to, he was building a network, | 4:13:20 | 4:13:23 | |
he was building a team. | 4:13:23 | 4:13:25 | |
And he, I think, was somebody who understood that | 4:13:25 | 4:13:30 | |
not just to become President, but to sustain yourself as President, | 4:13:30 | 4:13:34 | |
you have to have this phenomenal array of different relationships | 4:13:34 | 4:13:40 | |
operating at different levels, and he had an instinct for that. | 4:13:40 | 4:13:43 | |
Lincoln's political savvy takes his rivals by surprise. | 4:13:44 | 4:13:48 | |
He plays the long game, | 4:13:48 | 4:13:50 | |
coming from behind to defeat the favourite, Seward. | 4:13:50 | 4:13:53 | |
He wins the nomination and the presidency. | 4:13:53 | 4:13:56 | |
The prairie lawyer from Kentucky, by way of snowy Chicago, | 4:13:56 | 4:14:00 | |
has made it to the White House | 4:14:00 | 4:14:02 | |
at the most dramatic moment in American history. | 4:14:02 | 4:14:06 | |
Lincoln is extremely skilled in the arts of political management. | 4:14:17 | 4:14:22 | |
It's often said, rightly, that Lincoln had no executive experience | 4:14:22 | 4:14:25 | |
before he reached the White House. | 4:14:25 | 4:14:27 | |
The only thing he'd done was to run a law practice, | 4:14:27 | 4:14:30 | |
and that not terribly efficiently. | 4:14:30 | 4:14:32 | |
But he had run a Party, he had known about how you operate a Party | 4:14:32 | 4:14:37 | |
and throughout his presidency, he is a supreme politico. | 4:14:37 | 4:14:42 | |
Lincoln is quick to realise the potential of his former rivals. | 4:14:46 | 4:14:51 | |
He brings all three into his inner most circle of government, | 4:14:51 | 4:14:55 | |
making Seward his Secretary of State, | 4:14:55 | 4:14:58 | |
Chase his Secretary of the Treasury and Bates his Attorney General. | 4:14:58 | 4:15:05 | |
He managed to get a lot of these opponents within his own party | 4:15:05 | 4:15:09 | |
to work with him in the cabinet and several of them, | 4:15:09 | 4:15:13 | |
when they entered the cabinet, Bates, Seward in particular, | 4:15:13 | 4:15:16 | |
thought they would just control this guy. | 4:15:16 | 4:15:19 | |
This guy from Illinois, who's a frontiersman. | 4:15:19 | 4:15:22 | |
They'll control him and they will run the country the way they want | 4:15:22 | 4:15:25 | |
and use him as a figurehead. | 4:15:25 | 4:15:26 | |
We agreed that our President must be firmly guided by us. | 4:15:26 | 4:15:31 | |
We must make every effort to control his inexperience and judgement. | 4:15:32 | 4:15:38 | |
And he soon dispelled that notion. | 4:15:38 | 4:15:40 | |
And he and Seward, Seward was the most brilliant man in his cabinet, | 4:15:40 | 4:15:44 | |
he and Seward ended up having the most amazing relationship. | 4:15:44 | 4:15:47 | |
They worked very well together. | 4:15:47 | 4:15:49 | |
-Mr President. -Good morning, Mr President. | 4:15:49 | 4:15:51 | |
Thank you. | 4:15:51 | 4:15:52 | |
He used all of his former rivals to inform his decisions and to | 4:15:54 | 4:15:58 | |
help either support his decisions or play the devil's advocate | 4:15:58 | 4:16:01 | |
and allow him to think more deeply about what he might be doing next. | 4:16:01 | 4:16:05 | |
Who wouldn't, you know, bear a little grudge in those situations? | 4:16:05 | 4:16:08 | |
Or wish at least to kind of keep someone at bay that | 4:16:08 | 4:16:12 | |
had been a thorn in their side. | 4:16:12 | 4:16:16 | |
But he was able to see beyond that and recognise the value | 4:16:16 | 4:16:19 | |
of those individuals. | 4:16:19 | 4:16:21 | |
You just have to look at what they achieved together | 4:16:22 | 4:16:25 | |
to see that it was a fantastic decision. | 4:16:25 | 4:16:28 | |
I think that he did it partly for his own political reasons, | 4:16:28 | 4:16:33 | |
but also out of an understanding of the need to get | 4:16:33 | 4:16:37 | |
all the best people and all the best talents. | 4:16:37 | 4:16:40 | |
And I think, having been in direct competition with them, | 4:16:40 | 4:16:43 | |
he saw what strengths they had. | 4:16:43 | 4:16:45 | |
And he saw how they complemented his strengths | 4:16:45 | 4:16:48 | |
and maybe helped him address some of his perceived weaknesses. | 4:16:48 | 4:16:54 | |
War is drawing closer every day. | 4:16:55 | 4:16:59 | |
Lincoln needs that team around him if he is to keep his nation intact. | 4:16:59 | 4:17:03 | |
In 1861, the Union is made up of slave labour states in the | 4:17:05 | 4:17:10 | |
agricultural South and free states in the more industrialised North. | 4:17:10 | 4:17:15 | |
Tension begins to mount with the possibility of opening | 4:17:15 | 4:17:18 | |
the western frontier to expansion. | 4:17:18 | 4:17:21 | |
The North wants to keep the new territories slave free. | 4:17:21 | 4:17:25 | |
the South wants to be able to expand west, | 4:17:26 | 4:17:29 | |
bringing the institution of slavery with it. | 4:17:29 | 4:17:32 | |
This fundamental question of whether the West should be slave free | 4:17:32 | 4:17:37 | |
would ultimately lead to war. | 4:17:37 | 4:17:39 | |
The Republican Party oppose the spread of slavery. | 4:17:39 | 4:17:43 | |
As soon as Lincoln is elected, seven states secede from the Union | 4:17:43 | 4:17:48 | |
and the South fires the first shots of the Civil War. | 4:17:48 | 4:17:52 | |
CROWD CHEER | 4:17:53 | 4:17:55 | |
We know why the Confederates wanted to fight. | 4:18:01 | 4:18:04 | |
They were fighting for a way of life that was based on | 4:18:04 | 4:18:07 | |
an institution of slavery, which they understood to be under direct attack. | 4:18:07 | 4:18:11 | |
It's quite clear that they are fighting for that way of life. | 4:18:11 | 4:18:13 | |
But what about the North, why are northerners fighting? | 4:18:13 | 4:18:16 | |
The war after all is not initially a war to end slavery. | 4:18:16 | 4:18:19 | |
Northerners rally to the flag in April of 1861, in massive numbers, | 4:18:24 | 4:18:29 | |
in order to defend the Union. | 4:18:29 | 4:18:32 | |
So what is this Union that they're prepared to fight for? | 4:18:32 | 4:18:35 | |
The United States has a form of government | 4:18:36 | 4:18:42 | |
which is unique in human history. | 4:18:42 | 4:18:45 | |
American democracy is a source of great pride for the young Republic. | 4:18:51 | 4:18:55 | |
It has endured since the Revolution | 4:18:58 | 4:19:00 | |
and is seen as the guiding light for the rest of the world. | 4:19:00 | 4:19:03 | |
If the Confederacy is allowed to destroy the Union, | 4:19:09 | 4:19:12 | |
mankind will have taken a huge step backwards. | 4:19:12 | 4:19:16 | |
America was the beacon of hope. Democracy was the great experiment. | 4:19:19 | 4:19:22 | |
That's why we called...that's why all the historians called it | 4:19:22 | 4:19:25 | |
the greatest experiment, democracy, | 4:19:25 | 4:19:27 | |
because every nation in the world was watching this. | 4:19:27 | 4:19:30 | |
And he...I mean, it's interesting because Lincoln was really, | 4:19:30 | 4:19:33 | |
you know, part of what he was fighting for was | 4:19:33 | 4:19:36 | |
the protection of the constitution. | 4:19:36 | 4:19:39 | |
It was the constitution that caused the Civil War, to some extent. | 4:19:39 | 4:19:42 | |
In as far as the founding fathers, in coming together to present | 4:19:42 | 4:19:47 | |
a united front in opposition to the British, | 4:19:47 | 4:19:50 | |
had to put aside the question of slavery | 4:19:50 | 4:19:53 | |
because many of them were slavers. | 4:19:53 | 4:19:55 | |
You know, the founding fathers, you know, formed a more perfect union. | 4:19:55 | 4:20:01 | |
They really did. | 4:20:01 | 4:20:03 | |
But the political football, the issue of slavery, | 4:20:03 | 4:20:07 | |
to kick that football down the road | 4:20:07 | 4:20:09 | |
for other generations to confront and resolve, | 4:20:09 | 4:20:13 | |
was the fatal flaw in our constitution, | 4:20:13 | 4:20:16 | |
which caused 750,000 lives to be lost between 1860 and 1865. | 4:20:16 | 4:20:22 | |
More than every other American war combined, still to this day. | 4:20:22 | 4:20:26 | |
Today we tend to think of the Civil War as being fought | 4:20:26 | 4:20:29 | |
in order to end slavery. It wasn't. | 4:20:29 | 4:20:31 | |
In fact, emancipation wasn't really on the cards | 4:20:31 | 4:20:34 | |
when the first shot was fired on April 12th. | 4:20:34 | 4:20:37 | |
And what of Lincoln's own views about race? | 4:20:37 | 4:20:40 | |
He has been accused by some of himself being a white supremacist. | 4:20:40 | 4:20:44 | |
Lincoln was a conservative, he was not an abolitionist. | 4:20:44 | 4:20:48 | |
In fact, again and again in public, | 4:20:48 | 4:20:51 | |
he makes it clear he does not believe in racial equality. | 4:20:51 | 4:20:54 | |
At one stage, he even supports those who want to create colonies | 4:20:54 | 4:20:58 | |
outside the United States for African Americans. | 4:20:58 | 4:21:01 | |
The danger, of course, | 4:21:01 | 4:21:03 | |
is in seeing Lincoln's views from our own modern perspective. | 4:21:03 | 4:21:06 | |
Lincoln was born in 1809 in a slave state in Kentucky. | 4:21:19 | 4:21:24 | |
His family was a dirty poor family, | 4:21:24 | 4:21:27 | |
his father's a bit shiftless, in fact. | 4:21:27 | 4:21:30 | |
And they moved across the river, across the Ohio, | 4:21:30 | 4:21:34 | |
into what was the North, into Indiana, which was a free state. | 4:21:34 | 4:21:38 | |
And one of the reasons, not the only reason, one of the reasons, | 4:21:38 | 4:21:41 | |
was because his father, who was a poor farmer, | 4:21:41 | 4:21:44 | |
didn't like having to compete with plantation owners with slave labour. | 4:21:44 | 4:21:48 | |
Living along the Ohio River, Lincoln would have, on a regular basis, | 4:21:52 | 4:21:55 | |
seen slaves being brought across the river to work there. | 4:21:55 | 4:21:58 | |
Sometimes they were living in free states and being brought across. | 4:21:58 | 4:22:01 | |
He'd see them being transported up and down. | 4:22:01 | 4:22:03 | |
As a small child, while still in Kentucky, he would have seen them | 4:22:03 | 4:22:06 | |
being marched along the roads, chained together, | 4:22:06 | 4:22:08 | |
as a slave seller was carrying them from one property to another. | 4:22:08 | 4:22:11 | |
So he would be utterly familiar with slavery. | 4:22:11 | 4:22:14 | |
I don't think Lincoln was moved as much by the cruelties of slavery | 4:22:19 | 4:22:25 | |
as many of the so called abolitionists. | 4:22:25 | 4:22:28 | |
Lincoln was not an abolitionist in the sense that he did not | 4:22:29 | 4:22:33 | |
expect slavery to die out immediately. | 4:22:33 | 4:22:37 | |
He did not believe that you could make an immediate assault on slavery, | 4:22:37 | 4:22:41 | |
as the constitution protected the interests | 4:22:41 | 4:22:43 | |
of the Southern slave owners. | 4:22:43 | 4:22:45 | |
But he did believe that slavery was wrong, | 4:22:47 | 4:22:50 | |
and that it is a profoundly unjust institution. | 4:22:50 | 4:22:53 | |
Why should some people benefit from the labour of others? | 4:22:55 | 4:23:00 | |
Why should Southern slave owners be able to sit in the shade, | 4:23:00 | 4:23:03 | |
as he put it, with gloves on their hands, watching, | 4:23:03 | 4:23:07 | |
what he called the slave Sambo, working to earn the bread | 4:23:07 | 4:23:11 | |
that he is then denied, and which feeds the slave owner? | 4:23:11 | 4:23:15 | |
But Lincoln's conviction that slavery is wrong does not | 4:23:16 | 4:23:20 | |
automatically lead to a belief that African Americans are equal. | 4:23:20 | 4:23:24 | |
In 1858 he says, "I am not, nor ever have been, in favour of | 4:23:27 | 4:23:32 | |
"bringing about in any way the social and political equality | 4:23:32 | 4:23:37 | |
"of the white and black races." | 4:23:37 | 4:23:39 | |
In order to keep the border states from fleeing south, | 4:23:40 | 4:23:42 | |
and ending the Union, there would have been no Civil War | 4:23:42 | 4:23:45 | |
because there would have been two countries at that point, | 4:23:45 | 4:23:47 | |
Lincoln had to say what needed to be said | 4:23:47 | 4:23:49 | |
to keep those border states from fleeing. | 4:23:49 | 4:23:51 | |
It was very easy, even for certain...you know, | 4:23:51 | 4:23:54 | |
historians today to label Lincoln a racist. | 4:23:54 | 4:23:57 | |
He was a political artist, and he had an immense sense of the people, | 4:23:57 | 4:24:03 | |
and sense of, you know, timing. What was the right time? | 4:24:03 | 4:24:07 | |
And he also would never have been elected President | 4:24:07 | 4:24:10 | |
had he run on the abolitionist ticket. | 4:24:10 | 4:24:12 | |
There are very, very few white Americans in Lincoln's time | 4:24:16 | 4:24:21 | |
who see the African-American and the white as social equals. | 4:24:21 | 4:24:26 | |
He's being attacked by racists who say - | 4:24:28 | 4:24:30 | |
You want to end slavery, | 4:24:30 | 4:24:32 | |
that is going to mean full equality for the blacks. | 4:24:32 | 4:24:35 | |
And Lincoln knows that anyone who stands up and says that | 4:24:35 | 4:24:38 | |
what he wants in the United States is for social and political | 4:24:38 | 4:24:42 | |
equality for blacks has no political future. | 4:24:42 | 4:24:45 | |
It's not a tenable political position. | 4:24:45 | 4:24:47 | |
One way of avoiding the problem of equality | 4:24:52 | 4:24:55 | |
is the idea of colonisation. | 4:24:55 | 4:24:57 | |
This is very controversial, a lot of people cite | 4:24:57 | 4:24:59 | |
this as evidence of his racism, that he went along with this | 4:24:59 | 4:25:02 | |
idea of getting blacks out of our country. | 4:25:02 | 4:25:04 | |
But one has again to see it in the context that | 4:25:04 | 4:25:07 | |
there was a lot of racism. | 4:25:07 | 4:25:10 | |
Most countries in the world did not have mixed races in them | 4:25:10 | 4:25:14 | |
at that time, ours happened to. | 4:25:14 | 4:25:17 | |
He didn't want African Americans to | 4:25:18 | 4:25:20 | |
live on the soil of the United States because he thought | 4:25:20 | 4:25:23 | |
it would cause more trouble if they, you know, if we stayed. | 4:25:23 | 4:25:27 | |
So he wasn't, you know, completely a person, | 4:25:27 | 4:25:31 | |
when I was growing up, you know, we just saw him as an abolitionist. | 4:25:31 | 4:25:36 | |
He's much more complex than that. | 4:25:36 | 4:25:38 | |
Later on, a lot of people who'd earlier been colonisationists | 4:25:40 | 4:25:43 | |
turned against it. They thought, we shouldn't be doing this. | 4:25:43 | 4:25:46 | |
We should be not treating these Africans, who are no longer Africans, | 4:25:46 | 4:25:50 | |
many of them had lived here for generations, we should not | 4:25:50 | 4:25:52 | |
be treating them as people who have to be sent out of here. | 4:25:52 | 4:25:55 | |
We should treat them as fellow human beings and fellow citizens. | 4:25:55 | 4:25:57 | |
Treat them equally. | 4:25:57 | 4:25:59 | |
Freedom was just around the corner for some Southern slaves | 4:26:06 | 4:26:09 | |
but when the Emancipation Proclamation is published in 1863 | 4:26:09 | 4:26:14 | |
it is not a move to end slavery. | 4:26:14 | 4:26:17 | |
It is a war measure and, some might say, | 4:26:17 | 4:26:20 | |
a cynical use of Lincoln's Presidential powers. | 4:26:20 | 4:26:24 | |
I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States | 4:26:25 | 4:26:29 | |
by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief | 4:26:29 | 4:26:32 | |
of the Army and Navy of the United States, | 4:26:32 | 4:26:35 | |
in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority | 4:26:35 | 4:26:38 | |
and government of the United States, | 4:26:38 | 4:26:40 | |
and as a fit and necessary war measure.... | 4:26:40 | 4:26:43 | |
He believed that he could act against slavery by Presidential edict, | 4:26:43 | 4:26:48 | |
as an act of war, as a military measure, | 4:26:48 | 4:26:51 | |
in order to preserve the Union. | 4:26:51 | 4:26:55 | |
He had consistently said, from the outset of the war, | 4:26:55 | 4:26:59 | |
that he would do what was necessary to secure the Union, | 4:26:59 | 4:27:06 | |
and ensure the defeat of the Confederacy. | 4:27:06 | 4:27:09 | |
I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said | 4:27:11 | 4:27:16 | |
designated States, and parts of States, are, | 4:27:16 | 4:27:19 | |
and henceforward shall be free. | 4:27:19 | 4:27:21 | |
And that the Executive government of the United States, | 4:27:21 | 4:27:24 | |
including the military and naval authorities... | 4:27:24 | 4:27:26 | |
He came to the view, as did many others, | 4:27:26 | 4:27:28 | |
that the South had to be attacked where it hurt. | 4:27:28 | 4:27:32 | |
It needed...the Union forces would need to make an assault on | 4:27:32 | 4:27:37 | |
the South's infrastructure, its economic and social infrastructure. | 4:27:37 | 4:27:41 | |
The fact is, as some critics said, it freed no-one. | 4:27:46 | 4:27:50 | |
He was only declaring free those slaves who were in areas | 4:27:50 | 4:27:53 | |
he didn't control, where nobody was listening to him. | 4:27:53 | 4:27:56 | |
He wasn't going to free them in any area that wasn't in rebellion | 4:27:56 | 4:27:59 | |
and indeed, in some areas like New Orleans and some of the coast | 4:27:59 | 4:28:02 | |
of North Caroline, which they already conquered, | 4:28:02 | 4:28:05 | |
where they'd conquered, | 4:28:05 | 4:28:06 | |
he wasn't going to free the slaves there either. | 4:28:06 | 4:28:08 | |
It was only in areas where they were in rebellion. | 4:28:08 | 4:28:11 | |
And the thinking here was that, in theory, those states could preserve | 4:28:11 | 4:28:15 | |
their slavery by coming back into the Union | 4:28:15 | 4:28:19 | |
before this went into effect. | 4:28:19 | 4:28:21 | |
I don't think he believed they would do that. | 4:28:21 | 4:28:23 | |
But it was worth a try. | 4:28:23 | 4:28:25 | |
But Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation does bring | 4:28:32 | 4:28:35 | |
change for the Southern slaves | 4:28:35 | 4:28:37 | |
He knew that if you freed the workers from an agrarian society, | 4:28:38 | 4:28:44 | |
you have dismantled their society, and that's what he did. | 4:28:44 | 4:28:47 | |
He had the soldiers go in, and every soldier was obliged, | 4:28:47 | 4:28:53 | |
after the Emancipation Proclamation, | 4:28:53 | 4:28:55 | |
to liberate the African Americans on the plantation. | 4:28:55 | 4:28:58 | |
That was their job, it wasn't to kill anybody, | 4:28:58 | 4:29:00 | |
it was to get those people out of there. | 4:29:00 | 4:29:02 | |
So he broke the economy, he knew he was going to break it. | 4:29:02 | 4:29:05 | |
He knew he was going to reduce the South to rubble, | 4:29:05 | 4:29:08 | |
and that's what he did. | 4:29:08 | 4:29:09 | |
And Southerners still remember that. | 4:29:09 | 4:29:12 | |
So he was the first total war politician. | 4:29:12 | 4:29:17 | |
First total war President. Nobody was spared, nobody. | 4:29:17 | 4:29:21 | |
Lincoln's all-out assault on the South frees countless slaves. | 4:29:26 | 4:29:30 | |
And nearly 200,000 of these freed men are recruited | 4:29:35 | 4:29:39 | |
to Union Army ranks. | 4:29:39 | 4:29:41 | |
He instantly becomes the Great Emancipator | 4:29:42 | 4:29:46 | |
but does he now believe in racial equality? | 4:29:46 | 4:29:50 | |
By the end of the war, Lincoln has moved significantly | 4:29:53 | 4:29:56 | |
from the position that he held in the 1850s. | 4:29:56 | 4:30:00 | |
And in his language, in his political language, public language, | 4:30:00 | 4:30:04 | |
during the Civil War, it doesn't take much perspicuity to see that | 4:30:04 | 4:30:10 | |
this is the language of someone who genuinely esteems | 4:30:10 | 4:30:14 | |
what the black race is doing for the United States. | 4:30:14 | 4:30:18 | |
And what leading black figures are able to bring | 4:30:18 | 4:30:22 | |
to securing the future of the Union. | 4:30:22 | 4:30:24 | |
He had more and more experience throughout his life | 4:30:29 | 4:30:32 | |
of meeting blacks and especially during the war | 4:30:32 | 4:30:36 | |
when blacks were serving in the army and fought so brilliantly. | 4:30:36 | 4:30:41 | |
Lincoln was very moved by this and he let people know about that | 4:30:41 | 4:30:45 | |
He has heroic moments. | 4:30:46 | 4:30:48 | |
For instance, when he has an African American troop of soldiers | 4:30:48 | 4:30:54 | |
lead him into Florida. | 4:30:54 | 4:30:56 | |
He comes into Florida as President of the United States | 4:30:56 | 4:30:59 | |
and at his head is this huge troop of African American soldiers. | 4:30:59 | 4:31:03 | |
He was very adamant about having African American soldiers | 4:31:03 | 4:31:07 | |
in his retinue. | 4:31:07 | 4:31:09 | |
Those kind of things are things that make him a hero, I think, | 4:31:09 | 4:31:13 | |
for many Americans because he breached the impossible, | 4:31:13 | 4:31:17 | |
what was considered impossible at the time. | 4:31:17 | 4:31:20 | |
The first black person to enter the White House, | 4:31:20 | 4:31:22 | |
not to come and cook and clean, but as a guest, | 4:31:22 | 4:31:25 | |
was invited by Lincoln. | 4:31:25 | 4:31:27 | |
The most prominent black at the time was Frederick Douglass | 4:31:27 | 4:31:30 | |
and he was a frequent guest at the White House. | 4:31:30 | 4:31:33 | |
He himself testified how Lincoln always treated him | 4:31:33 | 4:31:36 | |
with great respect, as an equal. | 4:31:36 | 4:31:37 | |
Lincoln is a man of the people, | 4:31:40 | 4:31:42 | |
but as Commander in Chief, he stands alone. | 4:31:42 | 4:31:45 | |
When you're dealing with contentious issues, | 4:31:47 | 4:31:49 | |
you're going to find yourself, finally having to make | 4:31:49 | 4:31:53 | |
those decisions on your own and that's the responsibility you take. | 4:31:53 | 4:31:57 | |
And then that's why we see Presidents ageing in front of us. | 4:31:57 | 4:32:00 | |
-And Lincoln... -Aged quickly. -..When you see those extraordinary | 4:32:00 | 4:32:04 | |
photographs documented from the early part of his life as a lawyer | 4:32:04 | 4:32:07 | |
in Illinois, right through to the last photographs taken | 4:32:07 | 4:32:11 | |
and you see that man has utterly spent himself. | 4:32:11 | 4:32:14 | |
Lincoln was in constant grieving. | 4:32:14 | 4:32:16 | |
Not only for his own family and the death of Willie | 4:32:16 | 4:32:19 | |
and the death of his first son, you know, before he was President. | 4:32:19 | 4:32:23 | |
But he was grieving for every bayonet, for every bullet, | 4:32:23 | 4:32:26 | |
for every piece of canon fire that killed, you know, | 4:32:26 | 4:32:30 | |
boys on both sides. | 4:32:30 | 4:32:31 | |
Not just in the North. And he grieved the entire war. | 4:32:31 | 4:32:34 | |
He was in constant great grief, he was in constant mourning. | 4:32:34 | 4:32:37 | |
# When Johnny comes marching home again | 4:32:39 | 4:32:41 | |
# Hurrah! Hurrah! | 4:32:41 | 4:32:43 | |
# We'll give him a hearty welcome then | 4:32:43 | 4:32:45 | |
# Hurrah! Hurrah! | 4:32:45 | 4:32:47 | |
# The men will cheer and the boys will shout | 4:32:47 | 4:32:50 | |
# The ladies, they will all turn out | 4:32:50 | 4:32:52 | |
# And we'll all feel gay when Johnny comes marching home... # | 4:32:52 | 4:32:56 | |
After three long years of war Lincoln is re-elected. | 4:32:59 | 4:33:03 | |
He is now anxious to abolish slavery before the war is over. | 4:33:03 | 4:33:08 | |
Lincoln is concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation | 4:33:08 | 4:33:12 | |
will not have force in time of peace, which is why | 4:33:12 | 4:33:15 | |
he wants an amendment to the constitution which will ensure | 4:33:15 | 4:33:19 | |
that slavery shall never hereafter have any purchase on American soil. | 4:33:19 | 4:33:24 | |
The Thirteenth Amendment to the constitution is | 4:33:30 | 4:33:33 | |
the legislation that will eradicate slavery from the country. | 4:33:33 | 4:33:37 | |
It is not a popular bill and requires Lincoln to use all | 4:33:37 | 4:33:41 | |
his powers of persuasion | 4:33:41 | 4:33:43 | |
to get it through the House of Representatives. | 4:33:43 | 4:33:46 | |
After his victory in the November election, | 4:33:49 | 4:33:51 | |
he begins to put pressure on those, Democrats who previously, | 4:33:51 | 4:33:55 | |
before the election several months ago, had worked | 4:33:55 | 4:33:58 | |
successfully to block an amendment, going through Congress. | 4:33:58 | 4:34:01 | |
Lincoln knew about the way in which you operate to put | 4:34:07 | 4:34:12 | |
the right kind of pressure in the right kind of places | 4:34:12 | 4:34:14 | |
to secure the vote. | 4:34:14 | 4:34:17 | |
These votes must be procured. | 4:34:17 | 4:34:18 | |
Congressmen come cheap - a few thousand bucks would buy all you need. | 4:34:18 | 4:34:21 | |
-We can't buy the votes. -Let me see what you can do. -Endowed by... | 4:34:21 | 4:34:25 | |
The idea that a President can just sit back and hope that Congress does | 4:34:25 | 4:34:30 | |
what the President wants them to do isn't true today or in yesteryear. | 4:34:30 | 4:34:35 | |
And so the fact that Lincoln rolled up his sleeves to fight for | 4:34:35 | 4:34:39 | |
every single vote was absolutely critical in keeping the Union together. | 4:34:39 | 4:34:46 | |
Even somebody like Abraham Lincoln who has this kind of... | 4:34:46 | 4:34:50 | |
..pedestal image now, and yet did have to get down and dirty | 4:34:51 | 4:34:56 | |
and did have to cajole and maybe make different people | 4:34:56 | 4:35:03 | |
think different things about the same thing that he was trying | 4:35:03 | 4:35:06 | |
to do, because that sometimes is the business of politics. | 4:35:06 | 4:35:08 | |
Lincoln is not afraid to get his hands dirty | 4:35:12 | 4:35:15 | |
when it comes to politics. But is it true that he prolongs the war | 4:35:15 | 4:35:21 | |
to get the Thirteenth Amendment passed? | 4:35:21 | 4:35:24 | |
I believe the chronology would not support that interpretation. | 4:35:26 | 4:35:30 | |
I think there is not a serious peace effort being made | 4:35:30 | 4:35:36 | |
that he was rejecting. | 4:35:36 | 4:35:40 | |
I don't think he expected the South to make a serious effort at giving up, | 4:35:40 | 4:35:44 | |
to surrender without preserving slavery and he wasn't going | 4:35:44 | 4:35:48 | |
to have it on those terms. He would want that war to end as soon as possible | 4:35:48 | 4:35:53 | |
and yet he can't end it if slavery is going to remain in tact. | 4:35:53 | 4:35:58 | |
Lincoln signs the Thirteenth Amendment on February 1st 1865. | 4:35:59 | 4:36:04 | |
The war ends two months later | 4:36:04 | 4:36:06 | |
when the leader of the Confederate Army surrenders. | 4:36:06 | 4:36:09 | |
And on April 11th, Lincoln is making | 4:36:09 | 4:36:12 | |
a speech about reconstruction in which he alludes to | 4:36:12 | 4:36:15 | |
the idea of giving the vote to black soldiers. | 4:36:15 | 4:36:18 | |
This speech is the final straw for John Wilkes Booth, | 4:36:21 | 4:36:25 | |
a Southern supporter in the audience. | 4:36:25 | 4:36:28 | |
Booth shoots the president in Ford's Theatre on April 14th. | 4:36:29 | 4:36:33 | |
GUNSHOT | 4:36:33 | 4:36:36 | |
Lincoln dies the next day. | 4:36:38 | 4:36:42 | |
His Secretary of War, Edwin M Stanton, utters the prophetic words, | 4:36:45 | 4:36:49 | |
"Now he belongs to the ages." | 4:36:49 | 4:36:52 | |
He was famous from the moment he was murdered. | 4:36:55 | 4:36:58 | |
Absolutely from the moment. | 4:36:58 | 4:36:59 | |
And he's grown and grown and grown in stature. | 4:36:59 | 4:37:03 | |
At the moment of his greatest triumph, he's shot down. | 4:37:08 | 4:37:12 | |
He's martyred. And he's shot on Good Friday. | 4:37:13 | 4:37:16 | |
He's turned immediately into a Christ figure. | 4:37:18 | 4:37:20 | |
This is not just the death of a President, this is, | 4:37:22 | 4:37:28 | |
a meaningful calamity, the martyrdom of a person who has | 4:37:28 | 4:37:34 | |
redeemed the nation and it's very difficult, as one newspaper man | 4:37:34 | 4:37:39 | |
said at the time, after Lincoln's assassination, | 4:37:39 | 4:37:42 | |
"It will become impossible to speak the truth of Abraham Lincoln hereafter." | 4:37:42 | 4:37:48 | |
# It's been a long | 4:37:48 | 4:37:53 | |
# A long time coming but I know | 4:37:53 | 4:37:58 | |
# A change gonna come... # | 4:37:58 | 4:38:00 | |
The story of Lincoln is a story that meets so many different needs. | 4:38:00 | 4:38:05 | |
He is sanctified by, the African-American population, | 4:38:05 | 4:38:08 | |
right through into the 1930s, | 4:38:08 | 4:38:10 | |
those generations who see Lincoln as Father Abraham, | 4:38:10 | 4:38:15 | |
as the Moses figure who has lead his people to freedom. | 4:38:15 | 4:38:18 | |
# A song will lift | 4:38:22 | 4:38:24 | |
# As the mainsail shifts | 4:38:24 | 4:38:26 | |
# And the boat drifts onto the shoreline | 4:38:26 | 4:38:30 | |
# And the sun will respect every face on the deck | 4:38:30 | 4:38:35 | |
# The hour that the ship comes in... # | 4:38:35 | 4:38:37 | |
By the 1960s, not everyone sees Abraham Lincoln as a national hero. | 4:38:39 | 4:38:43 | |
But 100 years later. | 4:38:43 | 4:38:46 | |
The Negro still is not free. | 4:38:46 | 4:38:51 | |
He's demonised by a generation of blacks, | 4:38:51 | 4:38:54 | |
who see the story of a man who wanted to remove, as they see it, | 4:38:54 | 4:39:00 | |
remove blacks from North America, who was not an abolitionist. | 4:39:00 | 4:39:04 | |
I was brought up and my father was brought up before me, | 4:39:06 | 4:39:09 | |
my mother, to see Lincoln as the liberator of the enslaved. | 4:39:09 | 4:39:14 | |
If you're born in the '70s and '80s after that, you saw him as, | 4:39:14 | 4:39:17 | |
well, that was just a deal that he had to do to get what he wanted, | 4:39:17 | 4:39:20 | |
and be much more cynical. | 4:39:20 | 4:39:22 | |
Well, reconstruction isn't finished. | 4:39:22 | 4:39:25 | |
But, there were two huge pillars of reconstruction, the first was, | 4:39:25 | 4:39:29 | |
Abraham Lincoln and his work, in his life and times, | 4:39:29 | 4:39:32 | |
and the second was Martin Luther King. | 4:39:32 | 4:39:34 | |
And, and along with Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy | 4:39:34 | 4:39:38 | |
and John F Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. | 4:39:38 | 4:39:41 | |
We're still reconstructing. It's not over. There's a lot of work to be done. | 4:39:41 | 4:39:45 | |
I don't think his legacy is squandered. | 4:39:45 | 4:39:47 | |
I think it's becoming more complex. | 4:39:47 | 4:39:52 | |
It's becoming more... | 4:39:52 | 4:39:53 | |
..nuanced. | 4:39:56 | 4:39:58 | |
If you look at American society now, nobody would say anything about | 4:39:58 | 4:40:04 | |
the fact that we've had two African-American Foreign Secretaries. | 4:40:04 | 4:40:10 | |
That we have an African-American as Attorney General. | 4:40:10 | 4:40:13 | |
The equivalent of the Chief Justice. | 4:40:15 | 4:40:18 | |
Nobody would say anything that we have | 4:40:18 | 4:40:20 | |
African-Americans as mayors, as governors. | 4:40:20 | 4:40:23 | |
This is all accepted now. | 4:40:23 | 4:40:26 | |
So in a sense his legacy hasn't been squandered. | 4:40:26 | 4:40:29 | |
It was picked up by Martin Luther King and others, | 4:40:29 | 4:40:32 | |
and taken to its logical conclusion. | 4:40:32 | 4:40:35 | |
I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear... | 4:40:35 | 4:40:38 | |
That conclusion came in 2009 | 4:40:38 | 4:40:40 | |
when Barack Obama entered the White House. | 4:40:40 | 4:40:43 | |
Of the many presidents who came before, Lincoln stands out. | 4:40:43 | 4:40:46 | |
He is Obama's hero. The parallels are obvious. | 4:40:46 | 4:40:50 | |
But can the 44th President really emulate Lincoln's political success? | 4:40:50 | 4:40:55 | |
-So help you God? -So help me God. | 4:40:55 | 4:40:57 | |
Congratulations, Mr President. | 4:40:57 | 4:40:58 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 4:40:58 | 4:40:59 | |
When you see Barack Obama, just the fact that he is not white, | 4:40:59 | 4:41:03 | |
that he's mixed race, that would not, and could not have happened | 4:41:03 | 4:41:08 | |
without the progress that Abraham Lincoln made as a political leader, | 4:41:08 | 4:41:11 | |
in the face of some extraordinary and well-organised opposition. | 4:41:11 | 4:41:15 | |
That link alone, does give, if you like, gives Barack Obama | 4:41:15 | 4:41:20 | |
the right, the authority, the permission to, to invoke Lincoln. | 4:41:20 | 4:41:26 | |
I think he matters to President Obama - | 4:41:26 | 4:41:28 | |
it's the emotional connection. | 4:41:28 | 4:41:30 | |
He freed, he freed African-Americans, and, you know, | 4:41:30 | 4:41:33 | |
people can sort of go on, yeah, yeah, but what he really.., | 4:41:33 | 4:41:36 | |
No, no. He did it. | 4:41:36 | 4:41:38 | |
I think that appeals and would to the first African-America President. | 4:41:39 | 4:41:46 | |
# And the home | 4:41:46 | 4:41:49 | |
# Of the brave... # | 4:41:49 | 4:41:54 | |
I think what Obama saw in Lincoln is a President who operated, | 4:41:54 | 4:42:00 | |
on the basis of calmness, coolness, rationality, | 4:42:00 | 4:42:05 | |
intellectual analysis of the problems. | 4:42:05 | 4:42:08 | |
What we've seen in the Obama presidency, | 4:42:09 | 4:42:11 | |
the way in which he ponders issues, reflects on them, | 4:42:11 | 4:42:16 | |
seeks to bring about some, degree of consensus. | 4:42:16 | 4:42:19 | |
I think he sees in Lincoln exactly those qualities. | 4:42:20 | 4:42:25 | |
I totally understand why President Obama would want to invoke | 4:42:25 | 4:42:30 | |
Lincoln's memory, would want to learn from the skills that he had, | 4:42:30 | 4:42:35 | |
and would want to take some of the lessons of that, | 4:42:35 | 4:42:38 | |
not just for his own politics but also for the country. | 4:42:38 | 4:42:42 | |
But it is way way too early to say | 4:42:42 | 4:42:46 | |
whether Barack Obama has any of those qualities that will endure. | 4:42:46 | 4:42:52 | |
It's not a bad thing that anyone, | 4:42:55 | 4:42:57 | |
holding that office, makes a close study of his life, | 4:42:57 | 4:43:02 | |
and his work but it would be a terrible thing for a human being | 4:43:02 | 4:43:09 | |
-to even try to assess themselves in comparison to him. -Exactly. | 4:43:09 | 4:43:15 | |
I think Lincoln's message to Obama down the ages would be this. | 4:43:25 | 4:43:29 | |
"Well done, but make your speeches shorter and get out more, go to the diner." | 4:43:29 | 4:43:34 | |
When Lincoln passed the Thirteenth Amendment | 4:43:34 | 4:43:36 | |
he had to bribe people, when Lincoln passed the Thirteenth Amendment | 4:43:36 | 4:43:40 | |
he had to cajole people, he had to go out late at night | 4:43:40 | 4:43:43 | |
and talk to people of whom he didn't necessarily approve. | 4:43:43 | 4:43:47 | |
Barack Obama doesn't do that. | 4:43:47 | 4:43:49 | |
Famously, or infamously, he doesn't even make his own phone calls. | 4:43:49 | 4:43:53 | |
Lincoln, as well, had vaulting ambition. | 4:43:53 | 4:43:55 | |
Would he have settled for Guantanamo Bay still being open? | 4:43:55 | 4:43:59 | |
Would he have come so late to gun control? | 4:43:59 | 4:44:02 | |
Barack Obama is an ambitious man | 4:44:02 | 4:44:04 | |
but does he have the gut ambition that Lincoln had. | 4:44:04 | 4:44:07 | |
Some of his own keenest supporters fear that he doesn't. | 4:44:07 | 4:44:11 | |
Lincoln said, essentially, the federal government is supreme, | 4:44:14 | 4:44:18 | |
it is not the state, and if we have to go to war to do that then | 4:44:18 | 4:44:23 | |
that's what we're going to do. | 4:44:23 | 4:44:25 | |
President Obama went to war in order to effect what | 4:44:25 | 4:44:29 | |
he believed was the greater good, which was to enable people to | 4:44:29 | 4:44:33 | |
have some sort of modicum of healthcare in the country. | 4:44:33 | 4:44:38 | |
I would say that at the present time, | 4:44:38 | 4:44:39 | |
the main peril is the fact that, just like Lincoln, he is constantly | 4:44:39 | 4:44:43 | |
being attacked from both extremes and finding a great difficulty | 4:44:43 | 4:44:47 | |
to get enough support for some compromise position. | 4:44:47 | 4:44:51 | |
I think Obama can learn a lot from studying Lincoln's patience | 4:44:53 | 4:44:59 | |
and his method of leading by trying to slowly bring public opinion with you | 4:44:59 | 4:45:06 | |
and, in a sense, use the people over the heads of your fellow politicians. | 4:45:06 | 4:45:10 | |
Obama, may be better advised to explore Lincoln the party politician, | 4:45:13 | 4:45:16 | |
rather than Lincoln the man who appears to be | 4:45:16 | 4:45:20 | |
operating through a broad coalition, | 4:45:20 | 4:45:24 | |
but who nonetheless uses the party to achieve his ends. | 4:45:24 | 4:45:28 | |
You think I'm ignorant of what you're up to | 4:45:29 | 4:45:31 | |
because you haven't discussed this scheme with me as you ought to have done. | 4:45:31 | 4:45:35 | |
When have I ever been so easily bamboozled? | 4:45:35 | 4:45:38 | |
I believe you when you insist that amending the constitution | 4:45:38 | 4:45:41 | |
and abolishing slavery will end this war. | 4:45:41 | 4:45:43 | |
Since you are sending my son into the war, | 4:45:43 | 4:45:45 | |
woe unto you if you fail to pass the amendment. | 4:45:45 | 4:45:47 | |
Seward doesn't want me leaving big, muddy footprints all over town. | 4:45:51 | 4:45:55 | |
No-one has ever lived who knows better than you | 4:45:59 | 4:46:01 | |
the proper placement of footfalls on treacherous paths. | 4:46:01 | 4:46:06 | |
Seward can't do it. You must because if you fail | 4:46:06 | 4:46:10 | |
to acquire the necessary votes, | 4:46:10 | 4:46:12 | |
woe unto you, sir, you will answer to me. | 4:46:12 | 4:46:15 | |
I didn't want to make a movie that lied about the fact that it | 4:46:16 | 4:46:19 | |
wasn't squeaky clean because the times were extraordinary times, | 4:46:19 | 4:46:21 | |
and what was at issue, what was at stake, was the end | 4:46:21 | 4:46:25 | |
of the experiment in democracy. | 4:46:25 | 4:46:27 | |
That's what was at stake. | 4:46:27 | 4:46:30 | |
Steven Spielberg's film focuses on the first month of 1865 | 4:46:30 | 4:46:35 | |
and the intense political manoeuvring that is required to get | 4:46:35 | 4:46:39 | |
the Thirteenth Amendment passed before the end of the Civil War. | 4:46:39 | 4:46:42 | |
We'll win the war, sir. It's inevitable, isn't it? | 4:46:43 | 4:46:46 | |
It ain't won yet. | 4:46:48 | 4:46:50 | |
You'll begin your second term a semi-divine statue. | 4:46:50 | 4:46:53 | |
Imagine the possibilities peace will bring. | 4:46:53 | 4:46:56 | |
Why tarnish your invaluable lustre with a battle in the House? | 4:46:56 | 4:46:59 | |
It's a rat's nest in there. | 4:46:59 | 4:47:01 | |
It's the same gang of talentless hicks and hacks | 4:47:01 | 4:47:03 | |
who rejected the amendment ten months ago. | 4:47:03 | 4:47:05 | |
We'll lose. | 4:47:05 | 4:47:07 | |
I like our chances now. | 4:47:09 | 4:47:11 | |
There was a 50-page section of the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment | 4:47:11 | 4:47:16 | |
and it was flashing, lights for me, off and on. | 4:47:16 | 4:47:19 | |
And that was the most compelling, part of the entire script, | 4:47:19 | 4:47:24 | |
up to that point. | 4:47:24 | 4:47:26 | |
You could have imagined, beforehand that | 4:47:26 | 4:47:30 | |
the only way you could discover, that man was by... | 4:47:30 | 4:47:34 | |
was through telling a story that would include so many of the, | 4:47:34 | 4:47:39 | |
the formative years and the years in office. | 4:47:39 | 4:47:43 | |
Whereas in fact I think, it became clear that, | 4:47:43 | 4:47:48 | |
that as you narrow the focus, as in this case, the Thirteenth Amendment, | 4:47:48 | 4:47:51 | |
and you allow yourself to see him at work on something | 4:47:51 | 4:47:56 | |
that was not just important but, but crucial, in that moment, | 4:47:56 | 4:48:00 | |
that that somehow, allows you to see him in a far more profound way. | 4:48:00 | 4:48:05 | |
Think of all the boys who'll die, if you don't make peace. | 4:48:05 | 4:48:08 | |
I can't end this war until we cure ourselves of slavery. | 4:48:08 | 4:48:12 | |
This amendment is that cure! | 4:48:12 | 4:48:16 | |
The whole purpose of this approach to telling | 4:48:16 | 4:48:20 | |
a story about Abraham Lincoln, is let the audience feel that they're, | 4:48:20 | 4:48:24 | |
in those rooms with Lincoln, his family and all of the Cabinet. | 4:48:24 | 4:48:31 | |
The details in the sets were... You sort of lined up with | 4:48:31 | 4:48:36 | |
the nuanced approach that Daniel and I took to telling this story. | 4:48:36 | 4:48:41 | |
You could pick up any piece of paper and it would be, a letter, | 4:48:41 | 4:48:44 | |
facsimile letter, either to one of the generals or from, a member | 4:48:44 | 4:48:49 | |
of the Cabinet at that time, it could be an inventory of things | 4:48:49 | 4:48:53 | |
that had been ordered from, from a manufacturer during the war. | 4:48:53 | 4:48:57 | |
Each single piece of paper, | 4:48:57 | 4:48:59 | |
was something that belonged to that place from that time. | 4:48:59 | 4:49:03 | |
It was like a museum. It was like going to work in a museum | 4:49:03 | 4:49:06 | |
every day, you know, it just... We had created a time machine... | 4:49:06 | 4:49:09 | |
-Better than a museum. -Better than a museum, you're right. | 4:49:09 | 4:49:12 | |
We had created a time machine that | 4:49:12 | 4:49:14 | |
took us all back in time, and not just the actors but the entire crew. | 4:49:14 | 4:49:18 | |
Euclid's first common notion is this... | 4:49:18 | 4:49:20 | |
"Things which are equal to the same thing, | 4:49:21 | 4:49:23 | |
"are equal to each other." | 4:49:23 | 4:49:25 | |
That's a rule of mathematical reasoning. | 4:49:27 | 4:49:30 | |
It's true because it works. | 4:49:30 | 4:49:32 | |
Has done and always will do. | 4:49:32 | 4:49:34 | |
Bringing the man himself to life was a much more personal process. | 4:49:35 | 4:49:40 | |
At a certain moment, if I'm lucky and it tends to happen this way, | 4:49:40 | 4:49:44 | |
is that I begin to hear a voice, in my inner ear which, | 4:49:44 | 4:49:48 | |
I live with for a while and if I'm still pleased | 4:49:48 | 4:49:53 | |
with it, after I've lived with it for a bit, then I try and reproduce it | 4:49:53 | 4:49:57 | |
and then, God help anyone that tries to... But then I'm more or less | 4:49:57 | 4:50:02 | |
stuck with it because it feels something that's already | 4:50:02 | 4:50:06 | |
very familiar to me and I sent a couple of recordings to Steven | 4:50:06 | 4:50:12 | |
during that time. I use a prehistoric micro recorder. | 4:50:12 | 4:50:17 | |
I'd be so excited that I'd be afraid | 4:50:17 | 4:50:19 | |
to press play cos I wanted to love what I was about to listen to. | 4:50:19 | 4:50:23 | |
I'd finally get the courage to press play and on the second tape | 4:50:23 | 4:50:28 | |
that Daniel sent me - he sent me two - I heard Abraham Lincoln | 4:50:28 | 4:50:31 | |
talking to me, and I felt it was a very privileged moment, I felt | 4:50:31 | 4:50:35 | |
how lucky, I don't think anybody's heard his voice since his death. | 4:50:35 | 4:50:39 | |
Film-makers put the meat on the bones of history, | 4:50:39 | 4:50:42 | |
breathing life into figures that have become | 4:50:42 | 4:50:45 | |
almost two dimensional to a modern audience. | 4:50:45 | 4:50:49 | |
It's a devastatingly important responsibility. | 4:50:49 | 4:50:52 | |
It's a blessing and a curse. | 4:50:52 | 4:50:54 | |
You can take liberties through any interpretation you take, | 4:50:54 | 4:50:56 | |
you take liberties with the facts. | 4:50:56 | 4:51:00 | |
But that's part of... That's part of what you have to do. | 4:51:01 | 4:51:05 | |
There's no choice but to do that. | 4:51:05 | 4:51:08 | |
Therefore, with that comes the responsibility of... | 4:51:10 | 4:51:14 | |
..at least understanding where it is that you are bending things a bit | 4:51:15 | 4:51:19 | |
and knowing beforehand | 4:51:19 | 4:51:22 | |
deciding beforehand whether or not | 4:51:22 | 4:51:24 | |
that that's... | 4:51:24 | 4:51:28 | |
..will bear inspection. | 4:51:29 | 4:51:31 | |
Right. | 4:51:31 | 4:51:32 | |
You drafted half the men in Boston. | 4:51:32 | 4:51:34 | |
What do you think their families think about me? | 4:51:34 | 4:51:37 | |
The only reason they don't throw things and spit on me | 4:51:37 | 4:51:39 | |
is because you're so popular. | 4:51:39 | 4:51:41 | |
I can't concentrate on British mercantile law. | 4:51:41 | 4:51:44 | |
I don't care about British mercantile law. | 4:51:44 | 4:51:46 | |
I might not even want to be a lawyer. | 4:51:49 | 4:51:50 | |
It's a sturdy profession. | 4:51:52 | 4:51:55 | |
And a useful one. | 4:51:55 | 4:51:56 | |
And I want to be useful but NOW, not afterwards. | 4:51:56 | 4:52:00 | |
I ain't wearing them things, Mr Slade, they never fit right. | 4:52:00 | 4:52:03 | |
The missus will have you wear them... | 4:52:03 | 4:52:05 | |
You're delaying. That's your favourite tactic. | 4:52:05 | 4:52:07 | |
You won't tell me no but the war will be over in a month. | 4:52:07 | 4:52:10 | |
Everyone has their own Lincoln, whether it's the great emancipator, | 4:52:14 | 4:52:18 | |
the prairie lawyer, or the political artist. | 4:52:18 | 4:52:22 | |
Despite all the books, all the films, | 4:52:22 | 4:52:24 | |
no-one can know the real man behind the monument on Mount Rushmore. | 4:52:24 | 4:52:29 | |
Assessing Lincoln is a work forever in progress. | 4:52:31 | 4:52:34 | |
Lincoln was president during the greatest calamity that | 4:52:36 | 4:52:40 | |
the United States has ever faced. | 4:52:40 | 4:52:42 | |
Lincoln brought together, in his Cabinet, disparate agents, | 4:52:42 | 4:52:49 | |
people, in order to effect the bringing together of the Union, | 4:52:49 | 4:52:53 | |
because it had been broken apart. | 4:52:53 | 4:52:56 | |
So to evoke Lincoln is to talk about the United States, | 4:52:56 | 4:53:00 | |
it's to talk about being an American. | 4:53:00 | 4:53:02 | |
Another great quality was a sense of his own humility, | 4:53:02 | 4:53:06 | |
a belief that even when he became, as it were, | 4:53:06 | 4:53:08 | |
the leader, that he didn't assume that he knew everything, | 4:53:08 | 4:53:12 | |
that he had all the skills that he needed, and he understood | 4:53:12 | 4:53:15 | |
that anything, but particularly politics, is a team game. | 4:53:15 | 4:53:21 | |
He was a real person with flaws | 4:53:21 | 4:53:23 | |
and was a bit ungainly and tall, six foot four, and he was a real person. | 4:53:23 | 4:53:30 | |
And the fact that a real person can accomplish | 4:53:30 | 4:53:33 | |
and solve the problems of a nation is very inspiring. | 4:53:33 | 4:53:38 | |
# Glory, glory, hallelujah! | 4:53:39 | 4:53:45 | |
# Glory, glory, hallelujah! | 4:53:45 | 4:53:51 | |
# Glory, glory, hallelujah! | 4:53:52 | 4:53:58 | |
# His truth is marching | 4:53:58 | 4:54:02 | |
# On... # | 4:54:02 | 4:54:05 |