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Hello and welcome to a record of a rather strange eight days. In which

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Lady Gaga's fans wait for Lady Gaga. In which I wait for an interview

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with Lady Gaga, and in which, when I eventually get that interview, I end

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up waiting for Lady Gaga to speak. As the blood rushed out of my

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body... How do I explain it? Friday, October 25th, a little more

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than two weeks before the release of Lady Gaga's third album, ARTPOP. She

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has been out of the public eye for getting on for two years, forced to

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cancel part of her previous tour because she danced too much and

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injured her hip. When she is in London, she always stays here, in

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the Langham Hotel, very close to BBC broadcasting. Her fans were waiting.

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I really am thankful that I am a fan and I am able to experience

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everything that she is doing in real time, because I know that in years

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to come, people are going to look back and realise how significant she

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was. They are called the Little Monsters, and Gaga is Mother

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Monster. It is a selfie with Mother Monster that they are really waiting

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for. She was one of the first artists to realise what social media

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could do for her. She has the third-largest following on Twitter

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and the largest following on Facebook, of 60 million. In this new

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world, everything depends on these, smartphones. You cannot really be a

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fine without one. It is how you take your selfies with Gaga. With your

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smartphone, it is as though, while you are waiting for Gaga, she is

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just there, whispering to you. No one will ever understand her except

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her fans. It is a new breed, it is a new kind, something that no other

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celebrity has with their fans. We camp for days, weeks, to see Gaga.

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We do not sleep, we spend all our money on her. Taxis. We put our life

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on hold for Gaga. I have so many friends through her. This is me and

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my best friend, and I met him through Gaga. That was over a year

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ago. And we are best friends. I would not have met him if it was not

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for Gaga. Hopefully he will be one of the friends that I keep for a

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lifetime, and I am so happy that this is because of Gaga. How much

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longer? It is going to be really worth it when she comes out. I would

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imagine nine o'clock. Imagine ten o'clock don't! To the fans, she is

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not just a start, she is a fellow sufferer. They do not simply add my

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her, they identify with her. She was bullied at school, and so were they.

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I do not even feel like she is a celebrity. I just feel like, this is

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a person that has inspired me so much and has helped me through my

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life. She has given me an amazing set of best friends, and without my

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best friends now I would not be anywhere. Gaga has taken every

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single underdog who was insecure away from all the kids at school,

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and she has put them in the limelight and made them be proud of

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themselves. She has made the weirdos at the party look cool. She has

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become a defender of the bullied and oppressed, and none of that has

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changed, neither has the music. The first track from the new album is a

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trademark Gaga top club anthem, called Applause.

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Same small woman, same massive voice. I like it, it is a great

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song. She will be here very soon, very, very soon, within the next

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hour, hopefully. If not sooner. Gaga finally arrives after nine o'clock

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at the Langham, and she arrives the way she always does, strangely. Here

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we go, here we go. Gaga, you look amazing. We love you so much! The

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paparazzi of course go in snap happy overdrive, the flesh is weak havoc

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on our cameras. But still, there she is. She is tiny. White face, black

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contacts, bare feet. The dress is translucent, and there is nothing

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underneath. She does not seem to speak, and when she does, it is

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bizarre. Push your arms up. And she keeps it up all the way into the

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hotel lobby. Are they going inside? She is a

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human being, let her have her say! The paparazzi went in first and then

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we went in with them. But she did that whole thing, straight into the

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lift, and she kept, that is what I like about her the boast, she keeps

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on the performance, and she carries on doing it, even if she looks

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ridiculous, until she is out of sight. That is my favourite thing

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about her, she is so theatrical. So, she is in the hotel. We have been

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promised an interview. The only question is, when? So, what are we

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doing? We are waiting for Gaga. But it is not just me. Because we

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thought of Gaga as the world's most alternative mainstream artist, we

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thought we would dress the set. It would look amazing. It would not

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just be me interviewing Gaga, it would be a comment on the way she

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talks to the fans. And so we have brought some people along. Do you

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want to meet them? Here they are. They are waiting for Gaga, too. The

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new album is called ARTPOP. For the last few months, Gaga has been using

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her Twitter feed to keep more than 40 million followers, including me,

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in the loop. Snippets of music and updates on the art ingredients she

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has been throwing into the pot, the artists she has been working with.

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There is the New York-based performance artist Marina Abramovic,

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creator of the "Abramovic method", a blend of performance and meditation.

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You can watch this on Youtube, Gaga practising said method. We asked

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Marina Abramovic to tell us what working with Gaga was like. Before I

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met her, I knew about her, like everybody else, that this is this

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young, outrageous girl, who wears strange clothes, she is into

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extremes, she is experimental, she has 43 million people on Twitter

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following her, whatever she does, Little Monsters, she wins so many

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awards, and sells millions of records. That's about all. And

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finally, when I met her, and she came really very humble to my house

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and asked me if I can teach her, I started really changing my opinion

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of her entirely. I found somebody who really is serious, who really

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wants to learn and how much you can push your mental and physical

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limits. She was such a good student. We went to the woods. She

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never cheated, she went much further than I asked her. I started having

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huge respect for her. She has also been working with Robert Millson,

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high priest, perhaps the Pope of American experimental theatre. And

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then there is Jeff Koons, the most commercially successful artist in

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America. And very kindly, Jeff has sent us a selfie, too. When I think

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about what it was like to work with Lady Gaga, it was a joy, pure joy,

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because her character is always surprising, in her generosity, and

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how connected her call being is to wanting to participate, to share in

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the excitement, in the sensations of feeling, and being able from those

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feelings to go into expanding on thoughts and ideas and to be engaged

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in it. At her core, she is an honest human being. He has made a sculpture

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of Gaga. If you listen carefully to the applause, Jeff Koons gets a bit

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of product placement. # Suddenly the... She has released

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two more singles, venous and Do What U Want, but she has not made a video

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for either. Fortunately for us, the Little Monsters have been working on

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one for venous, at least. # When you touch me I died just a

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little inside. # I wonder if this could be love.

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It is lovely, but it is unofficial. I want an interview, and Gaga, or

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her management, keep suggesting different dates, and cancelling.

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This is not normally how it happens. I have been a journalist writing

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about music for 25 years, and this is how it goes. With a really famous

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person, and I have done Paul McCartney, Madonna, Coldplay, Bono,

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all of them, you get a phone call and they say, it is going to happen

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in the next couple of days. They say choose Dale Wednesday. Clear those

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days, and then they say definitely Wednesday, four o'clock. -- Tuesday

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or Wednesday. You listen to the album, you take notes and then you

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turn up for the interview. The star might be late, Madonna was one hour

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late. I have had people being three hours late, four hours late, but it

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eventually happens on that day. And that is kind of it. What is weird

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about this interview is, I am never told when it is going to happen, or

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I am told, and then it changes, and then the same again. After a while

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you start feeling like you are slightly mad and you are not here to

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do a job at all. You start feeling like you are a stalker, rather than

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a journalist. You start feeling like you are a fan. I need to do

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something to make myself feel professional. I need to practice.

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Now, I am going to ask you about the difficult third album. Here we

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go... So, you have done two albums so far, and this one, ARTPOP, is a

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different direction for you, you have tried to bring art into the

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album, in the way that Warhol brought pop into art. I wonder how

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successful you have been with that? Is the art just a sprinkling on the

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top, like on top of the cake, or is it actually within the cake? Would

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you like to and pick that? Or not? She tries to get to everyone she

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can. It is so different every time. It is mind blowing. It is like going

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to see her live. It is such a performance. The end of day two

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approaches. We've heard nothing. And Gaga doesn't stir from the hotel

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until after 8pm. She looks completely different. She

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is a space rock shrink-wrapped in a masterpiece. Guitar, fright wig, eye

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test glasses, and a dress made from Botticelli's Birth of Venus. I do

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hope it's not the original. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! I don't know. I

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love her so much. Oh, my actual god! She took a photo

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of me and chief smiled at me. I am going to cry. Delighted with his new

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selfie, Gabriel goes home to bed. The other little monsters follow

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Gaga across town, to GAY, where Gaga slips into a rather fetching

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Victorian nightie, and sings her new song, Venus.

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# rocket number nine take off to the planet.

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Her performance concludes. She um... 17 hours waiting today. We went to

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the studio and then she said she is coming here. We walked all the way

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across London, all the way to Charing Cross, and then she did not

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stop. It is currently 3am. 2:56am. It is exhausted. The day before X

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Factor. Two days down and a million more to go. We waited for gaga but

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she went round the back. We saw Laci. That is Gaga 's choreographer.

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Goodbye. On Sunday, day three, Gaga performs

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two songs on X Factor. She plays Venus again. She keeps her pants on,

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and there are Botticellis all over the place.

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Then she plays her new single, Do What You Want.

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And, at the same time as I'm enjoying it, I'm worrying. As far as

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we know, she's only here for another two days. And I'm starting to think

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I might have to do something instead of the interview. It gets worse on

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day four. We hear that some time today she's going to do an interview

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but not for me. For the Graham Norton Show. It's the final straw. I

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join the fans outside the hotel. I have resisted this for the past four

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days but I am now here. I have joined the fans, waiting for Gaga.

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We are standing outside the Langholm and checking out passing grade

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cars, in which she made travel to another destination. It seems the

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only way I can get anything to do with Gaga. The fans are all really

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nice. You are nice, aren't you? She is nice. Everyone is really nice. I

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have started to hang out here because it is more fun. I think I

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might get a programme out of this. I turned up because I thought it

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looks like there is some action. I have been here for three quarters of

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an hour and we have seen a whole load of silver cars drive off. Is

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that good or bad? That is bad because she has probably gone

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through the back entrance. How will you know if she has left? We will

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see her cars drive past. Some of the fans are going to ITV but I am going

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home. She will be doing Graham Norton. I feel slightly sad because

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she is not doing me. Is it because I am not as pretty? I have no idea.

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Why do you like Lady Gaga as opposed to anyone hours? She has helped me

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so much with who I am. I used to be insecure. She said being gay was

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such a beautiful thing in front of millions of people and that helped

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me with who I am and I love her so much. That is a good thing to do. I

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am sure I will be meeting you again because I will be here tomorrow. I

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will carry on interviewing year. Do you think I should come and six in

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the morning? You are dedicated. At this point I was unable to keep the

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lid on my inner mum any longer. Have you got warm clothes on? I have five

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layers on. I have the models and I have blankets and pillows and stuff.

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I am happy about that. They are in their bras and stuff and they must

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be freezing. Shall be carry on waiting? I will wait till she comes

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out. I will do that. I do not actually leave until she has come

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out. Some people get tired and bored. It is a long day. 11 hours. I

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want to see my kids. All right. That's great. I love him. I ask some

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other little monsters what the etiquette is for greeting Gaga. And

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I receive some surprising news. For some fans at least, the classic Gaga

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fan gesture, known as paws up has fallen out of favour. We do not do

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that any more. It is bad. You look kind of demented. So the hard-core

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fans do not do pause up. In a delusional state, it might be

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awkward. I am not doing it but I am. Most of the time... We used to when

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we were younger. Are you saying, what? Up to 16, pause up and then

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down. It was big two or three years ago. It is still there but it has

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kind of died. We are not little monsters any more. We are monsters.

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I can be a big monster because I am quite old. I have not been doing it

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very long. I am a trainee monster. You are all established monsters.

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OK. We have a spare T-shirt if you want one. That is fine. I will wear

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it. Here I am. A fully paid up monster. Got the T-shirt. But I give

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it back. It's precious. And I go and talk to one of the paparazzi. How is

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it they know in advance when she's coming out? Everyone is working on a

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weird kind of 6 cents. The indication is security. They show

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their faces. They tell us, 15 minutes to go and we get in

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position. So, now I know what I'm waiting for. And there's no sign of

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security. And then we have a couple of false alarms. We get Bill Oddie.

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And the dog off Britain 's got talent. This is hilarious! I may

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come here every day. I am having a good time. And then I make a fatal

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error. I made the mistake of an amateur. I went for a copy. I came

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back and, as you can see, everybody has gone, including Gaga. She must

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have gone while I was having a coffee and I am pretty gutted

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because I'd did feel like, we cannot get an interview with her, I will

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maybe feel her and throw a feud questions over the barriers but

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nothing, I have failed. I am no good at this. I am leaving. Of course,

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more experienced little monsters than myself have got what they came

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for. She just wrote, she, on my hand. She came out and said, I

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cannot take any pictures. I am late. I got her hand and I said, I am so

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proud of what you did on the X Factor yesterday. It was amazing.

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She took a group photo of us. I am next to her. It was so cool. It was

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at this rather low point that someone on Planet Gaga finally took

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pity on me. We were told that Gaga would be staying until Friday first

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November, and that our interview would happen on that morning. We

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were offered this attractive function room at the Langham to do

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it in. So, it had to be disguised completely. We draped it. We draped

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the mannequins. I thought about draping myself. We started setting

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up at 7am. Gaga arrived at about 11am. She hadn't had any sleep. For

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the last two days, she'd been working with Robert Wilson on a

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series of installations - recreations of great masterpieces in

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which Gaga replaces the central figure. Masterpieces like the Death

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of Marat, or the head of John the Baptist. It turns out that Wilson

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already has the video portraits up and running and they will be shown

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at the Louvre fret until February next year. Can you imagine another

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mainstream artist doing something like that? Answers on a tweet.

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Welcome back. Thank you for having me. You had an enforced absence, due

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to illness. How were you as a patient? I guess I was a good

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patient in some ways. I was so excited to be able to rejuvenate my

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body. It was exciting in a way. You feel like an infant. In another

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way, I've felt dead all the time because I could not be on stage. I

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just really took to enjoying and appreciating the parts of what I

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do. Life is art all the time as a way to make it through that sort of

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torture I was feeling. It was good for me. This stage is a place that I

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started to rely on very much with the fans and the interconnection.

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When it went away, I had to find a more spiritual connection with music

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and art. I am on the dirty path now. The interview has been going for a

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couple of minutes and I noticed something. Sometimes, before

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questions, Gaga shut her eyes for a couple of minutes. I wonder if she

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is falling asleep or I am boring. I notice that before you speak to me,

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you drop your eyes and you centre yourself. Is that something you

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learned from Marina Abramovic? Yes, I did learn a lot of that from

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Marina, and also from Bob Wilson. I have been working with him for

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48... Phil Morley -- for more than 48 hours what were you doing

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together? We were doing a series of portraits. We were using his clay to

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mould into pieces that he was essentially recreating, re-inspiring

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into these beautiful, moving pieces. So, I like to make sure that I give

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you my full attention. There is a lot of noise around me, and I have

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learned, working with... Did you hear the creaking door? Yes. Who is

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coming in? It is like a ghost. I have learned from working with

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Marina that you need to be aware of these sounds. Because otherwise, I

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cannot react to real life. But I like to make sure that I am

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breathing properly and censoring myself, to get through these... You

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see, I did it wrong there. To get through these long duration works. I

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do not necessarily consider myself to be a performance artist really,

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just yet. Just yet?! She did Graham Norton the other week, and he got

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this normal popstar... Please be careful! You are just going to see

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his high-flying away. And what are you doing at the end of... ? Oh,

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well, let's just try talking about pop and sex. If you think about how

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you present yourself onstage, if you think about a lot of pop artists,

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particularly female, they are often presented in a straightforward

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sexual way, they have to be good-looking, they have to be

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presented as though the first thing you are going to react to is, do you

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fancy them? And you do not do that. Sometimes you do, and sometimes you

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don't. How do you regard your body, then, within that context? You just

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asked me like 1000 questions. In one. Yes, or maybe I just have 1000

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opinions about it. So let me just begin with something. Well, I would

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say in pop music, in that particular sphere, that there is a

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one-dimensional quality to sexuality. So, I think the

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difference between what I do and that, if I could maybe start there,

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is that there is any intention always behind the sexuality, if the

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sexuality is there. Most of the time, I do not particularly find

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myself to be very sexy, actually. And then, in the beginning of my

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career, I think that some of this exploration of covering myself up

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and transforming into other icons and other states of life force, was

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a sense of sexual freedom for me, because I felt quite numbed by my

:33:21.:33:24.

experience, and I wanted to escape things. You use sex on this album in

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quite an interesting way. There are lots of different aspects to it, but

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often it is used as a way into love, it seems, the sex is going to

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hopefully leading to something which will touch you a little more, would

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you say that is white? Yes, I would say that is white, but I actually

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don't create with the intention of the finality, if that makes any

:33:49.:33:52.

sense. I do not always know exactly what is going to come out of it. So,

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it is beautiful for me to hear your reading of my experience with sex

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and love at this time, because my earlier experiences of sex were

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quite perverted and scary, terrifying... Fear... It reminds me

:34:10.:34:18.

of these things we are sitting around. Yes, they are quite spooky,

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and they? It was sort of terrifying for me. But now I have really great

:34:24.:34:29.

sex. Which is good, I am glad to hear it. It is just sort of a

:34:30.:34:34.

natural change. I guess we are dealing with two different

:34:35.:34:37.

conversations in a way. When I am working with Bob, for example, I was

:34:38.:34:42.

a vehicle for an expression of him having a conversation. For example

:34:43.:34:50.

we did The Head of John the Baptist, 1507. I find myself talking

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to a million selling pop star with a new album coming out who would

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rather discuss her experimentation with another artist. I have been

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recreating this image, The Head of John the Baptist, by Andrea Solari.

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Hopefully John the Baptist will come to me and say, it is OK, you are

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allowed. And the same thing, we did The Death of Marat, and this was the

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same. I have an experience where I have two really breathe, and I have

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to have a tremendous understanding of the artist that created the work.

:35:32.:35:39.

And for me, like I said, it is really, I have always heard things,

:35:40.:35:46.

my entire life, since I was young, and it has come out first in the

:35:47.:35:50.

form of music. When you say you have heard things, what do you mean,

:35:51.:35:54.

something speaking to you in your head? I mean, I do not even know,

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just things. I always noticed that I would say or notice things, or

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accuse things happening which people around me did not were happening.

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And as I got older, it started to make me feel sick, and it still

:36:17.:36:21.

makes me feel sick sometimes. Marina has really helped me with that. She

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calls me a diseased artist, she says it is OK. So then, my own work, this

:36:27.:36:32.

is a duration of my own life, it is completely separate from what I am

:36:33.:36:40.

doing with Bob and Marina. But with ARTPOP, I wanted to show that being

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a student is OK. I feel that the education of your teachers, every

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dancer that you have danced with, every paintbrush that you have

:36:50.:36:53.

touched, every book that you have read, every bit of music that you

:36:54.:36:57.

have heard, if you channel that entire history into the thing that

:36:58.:37:01.

you are creating, whereas in intention in the work which runs to

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the centre of the Earth. That is quite interesting, because what

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people might say or worry about your work is that you have so many

:37:08.:37:13.

artistic references within it... OK, pause again. One of the good things

:37:14.:37:19.

about Applause is its video, which contains a lot of cultural

:37:20.:37:22.

references, so many that websites have started counting them. This one

:37:23.:37:26.

says it has got 48 cultural references. We can see Botticelli,

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Andy Warhol, Fritz Lang, and of course, KJ Choi... Anyway, carry on.

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Wearing it like a hat, yes. Which is putting it on and taking it off, so

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to put it within an album, to make sure it is embedded, that is quite a

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hard thing to do, given that you have got so many references in your

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work. You do not want to think you are Michael Jackson going through a

:37:59.:38:01.

home furnishing shop, you need to make sure that it is in the works,

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don't you? You do and you don't. We are getting back to this idea of

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defining art in jongleurs and sticking it in particular places. I

:38:11.:38:15.

want to really free myself of all of that. -- in genres. It is really

:38:16.:38:20.

exhausting to have the projection of the world onto you, what you should

:38:21.:38:24.

be. I do not know what I am. I do not even know if that is any good,

:38:25.:38:28.

and I do not know if that matters. What matters is that it is, and it

:38:29.:38:34.

is there, free to feel and to be and to experience. It is a life force on

:38:35.:38:39.

its own. And I am still very young in the duration of my work. If you

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look at the work of many artists over many mediums, you can see them

:38:43.:38:48.

channelling and imitating and bringing along the artists that they

:38:49.:38:53.

have admired and learned from, their teachers. And then later on in their

:38:54.:38:57.

careers, that is when the real amazing work starts to happen. So I

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do not know if anything I have done is very good, but that is not really

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the point. I am not really the point, if that makes any sense. It

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does. You are saying that you are on a journey to try to discover the art

:39:11.:39:13.

that you can make and you do not know if you have made it yet. Sure,

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it is really about the potential. What I am saying is that it is worth

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it to be a student. To not be a student would be to suggest that I

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was creating in a vacuum, just floating in space, with no

:39:27.:39:30.

knowledge, no gravity, no error, no oxygen, no nothing. And perhaps that

:39:31.:39:36.

is something that I will learn how to do. I do not know that anyone

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does that. I have yet to meet any great artist, and I am very lucky to

:39:42.:39:50.

have worked with Jeff Koons, Bob Wilson, Marina Abramovic I have yet

:39:51.:39:56.

to have any moments with them where we have not been talking about art

:39:57.:40:00.

works which have happened before. You just have to trust in your

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teachers that they will guide you. And how did you pick those three

:40:05.:40:08.

teachers? To me, they all seem very different to each other. They seem

:40:09.:40:13.

like they have come from different backgrounds, although they are all

:40:14.:40:22.

artists. I think they are my holy Trinity. In a way. You have theatre,

:40:23.:40:32.

you have this discipline, this meditative, performance discipline,

:40:33.:40:39.

and then you have a commercial art which is viable as fine art. And

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these are all the sorts of things that I am very interested in. So, it

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is the combination of what they represent for me, and how it has

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guided me in my views of where we are now, in terms of pop art and how

:40:52.:40:56.

it has travelled into our pop, like an inferno. So, without

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disrespecting you, I am just trying to explain it to young kids, we are

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taking the soup can art and putting it back in the soup can. The soup

:41:19.:41:26.

can art is already on the soup can, it says Andy Warhol on the bottle. I

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have been doing this since the beginning of my career, and I have

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just discovered its meaning now. In the album, I have found artists that

:41:36.:41:41.

I feel very connected to their vibrations and their work. We speak

:41:42.:41:45.

a language that I understand, if that makes any sense. When I am

:41:46.:41:53.

working with Bob, for example, I think it was maybe 7-8 hours

:41:54.:41:58.

yesterday, not moving, as he directed me. We did a bondage

:41:59.:42:05.

piece, and I am hanging in Verte it, I told him I wanted to do something

:42:06.:42:13.

-- inverted -- which was, I should not say tribute... Inspired by one

:42:14.:42:23.

coach -- inspired by? The tortured soul of the artist, related to

:42:24.:42:29.

suicide. We have yet to really acknowledge the living legends when

:42:30.:42:32.

they are living, and they only really become legends when they die.

:42:33.:42:36.

So I wanted to hang for as long as possible in order to have an

:42:37.:42:43.

experience with my body feeling numb and being out of control, the thing

:42:44.:42:50.

which you mentioned. And also, facing the challenge of my own

:42:51.:42:54.

mortality. And I went out and they tied me up, they inverted me. It was

:42:55.:42:59.

quite intense. And he just pressed record. That to me sounds remarkably

:43:00.:43:05.

intense and a very difficult thing to do. When you came out of that,

:43:06.:43:10.

obviously, you had to be in a certain state in order to create

:43:11.:43:14.

that piece, so how do you feel? I went through so many different

:43:15.:43:17.

emotions from the beginning to the end of the piece. I am usually quite

:43:18.:43:27.

speechless after I do something like that, and for example with that

:43:28.:43:32.

piece, I did not really feel human at all. My humanity really left me,

:43:33.:43:40.

and my mortality didn't matter. But this numbing sensation from the

:43:41.:43:45.

feet, as it travels up into the neck and then your heart starts to go

:43:46.:43:48.

numb, and your arms, and then your head, it is somewhat of what I would

:43:49.:43:56.

imagine that feels like. And yet there were moments I was quite

:43:57.:44:01.

liberated by the feeling, because I have had addiction problems as well,

:44:02.:44:04.

so the numbing is quite freeing for me. And as the blood rushed out of

:44:05.:44:11.

my body, how do I explain it... ? I had to decide for myself in this

:44:12.:44:53.

moment what the intention was. I had to decided in a moment when my

:44:54.:44:58.

humanity was sort of being drained from me. How do such experiences

:44:59.:45:06.

feed into your pop performances? It is. It is quite mastered the Tory. A

:45:07.:45:19.

lot of theatres this way, it is like entertainment. When you watch Bob 's

:45:20.:45:25.

work with the lighting, it is overwhelming how beautiful it is.

:45:26.:45:30.

You cannot take your eye off it. What I am saying is, I think that a

:45:31.:45:37.

lot of people like, for example, you, you are seeing me for the first

:45:38.:45:42.

time. A lot of people in my life have known me in this way for some

:45:43.:45:47.

time and see me grow in this. I have gone through stages of being centred

:45:48.:45:55.

and then being addicted to drugs and alcohol, having a difficulty

:45:56.:46:05.

handling the chaos in my mind. When I go on stage, you cannot imagine

:46:06.:46:11.

the energy of all those fans. When you are talking about your reaction

:46:12.:46:15.

to your fans, we have been talking to some fans who have been making

:46:16.:46:21.

video diaries. They love you. I am interested in your relationship with

:46:22.:46:25.

the fans. Every artist has a lot of fans. They have a certain

:46:26.:46:31.

relationship. Your relationship seems to be particularly intense. It

:46:32.:46:37.

is. What do you get from them when you see them outside the hotel, when

:46:38.:46:44.

they talk to you? Well, I'd choose to receive their love. And, because

:46:45.:46:51.

of that, it has become very intimate over the years. I think that maybe,

:46:52.:46:58.

in your suggestion that my relationship with my fans is

:46:59.:47:03.

different than some other pop artists, I think some of it is

:47:04.:47:09.

because there is a separation between them and the work for some

:47:10.:47:14.

people. That's what I am doing here and what is happening here are two

:47:15.:47:21.

different things. Because I have studied Stanislavski since I was 11

:47:22.:47:32.

years old, I have a sense. So, because of that, I am aware of their

:47:33.:47:37.

energy all the time and I received it. I need it for my work. I cannot

:47:38.:47:44.

survive without them. They have injected this love into me that

:47:45.:47:51.

carries through every single moment of my life. For me to separate and

:47:52.:47:56.

compartmentalised my work from them is dishonest. That is what I am

:47:57.:48:02.

learning. Working with Jeff is very intense because you see is pure joy

:48:03.:48:12.

and creating like a child. -- his pure joy. This is what I am so

:48:13.:48:19.

inspired by. You make it accessible for everyone to know that if you

:48:20.:48:22.

love something and then you apply the discipline and then the eye for

:48:23.:48:30.

the theatricality of it, whatever it may be. And then the integrity of

:48:31.:48:37.

the message, from me, which is what Jeff is all about. That is something

:48:38.:48:48.

when the moment happens. That in explainable moment. I did not mean

:48:49.:48:57.

to interrupt. I did not mean to talk for so long. These things happen.

:48:58.:49:08.

When you go out of the hotel, and you see the fans, you present

:49:09.:49:14.

yourself in various ways. Those are the different looks from perhaps

:49:15.:49:20.

what you would get on ARTPOP or when you are performing on the X Factor.

:49:21.:49:24.

It is like another world that you are creating. Walking out the hotel

:49:25.:49:34.

is not the same as performing on X Factor. You have two consider all

:49:35.:49:39.

the variables. One I am leaving their hotel, it is so different and

:49:40.:49:44.

it feels so natural. It is a canvas that I understand. The fans, the

:49:45.:49:51.

love, the stairway. The paparazzi in London are very nice to me. I think

:49:52.:49:57.

they appreciate the joy I have for transforming for them and allowing

:49:58.:50:08.

myself to be OK with them. My fans like that. Also, I always stay in

:50:09.:50:13.

this hotel now. It has become a stage for me to leave. They probably

:50:14.:50:18.

love it as well because they are able to see me truly in my element.

:50:19.:50:24.

There are a lot of things we do not see. The corporate musical world is

:50:25.:50:32.

terrifying and I hate it. Why do you hate it? They try to tell me what to

:50:33.:50:42.

do, the entire time. ARTPOP is about two worlds. One from the sphere of

:50:43.:50:52.

art and one from the fear of pop. I became a pop star because of my

:50:53.:50:57.

incessant drive my love for creating. Then you are faced with

:50:58.:51:02.

the sort of choice. Am I going to go left or right and allow these

:51:03.:51:06.

corporate projections to drive what I do? It is tormenting for me. It

:51:07.:51:13.

physically painful. I had to decide if I was going to allow that. Allow

:51:14.:51:21.

people to project things onto me and do that. I have decided the only

:51:22.:51:27.

people I will allow to project things onto me are Marina

:51:28.:51:42.

Abramowitz, prints and Jeff Wilson. Corporations are poison. It is the

:51:43.:51:47.

death of art and it is killing young people. It is just like fast food.

:51:48.:51:53.

It might taste good at first but after you eat it for many years, you

:51:54.:52:02.

might get fat, sick or die. I just want to feed my family. You are not

:52:03.:52:13.

like I thought at all. I will give you a hug. Thank you very much for

:52:14.:52:19.

that. And that, ladies and gentlemen, was my interview with

:52:20.:52:24.

Lady Gaga. Were she worth waiting for? Yes, definitely. She did three

:52:25.:52:30.

more interviews then flew to New York to prepare for her album

:52:31.:52:33.

release. Leaving her little British Monsters to do the same. Today is

:52:34.:52:44.

first to November. I have lost a ball in my nose ring so it looks

:52:45.:52:48.

really weird. But, before we go to the launch party, a little footnote.

:52:49.:52:51.

A couple of days after our interview, it was announced that

:52:52.:52:54.

Gaga's relationship with her original manager, Troy Carter, had

:52:55.:52:57.

come to an end. So the launch party for ARTPOP, ARTRAVE, actually became

:52:58.:53:00.

our first opportunity to see how Gaga might indeed move away from

:53:01.:53:03.

that corporate music world into something more - art.

:53:04.:53:11.

ARTRAVE took place on November 10th. And it was an enjoyably odd affair.

:53:12.:53:22.

It came across as a collaboration between Gaga and Jeff Koons. Koons

:53:23.:53:25.

sculptures were to be seen everywhere.

:53:26.:53:32.

And Gaga introduced us to what is quite possibly her most eccentric

:53:33.:53:39.

dress to date - Volantis. The flying dress. We cannot wait for you to see

:53:40.:53:46.

her. Stand back! Jeff Koons and Marina Abramovic were

:53:47.:54:15.

on hand to offer their support. And so was Tony Bennett.

:54:16.:54:31.

And then she spoke - a little oddly, but we're used to that. I hope today

:54:32.:54:50.

is a change in pop culture, not for me but for everyone. I hope that we

:54:51.:54:55.

remember we are in this together as a world. If we belong together, so

:54:56.:55:02.

many great things can happen. ARTPOP. And ARTPOP was at last

:55:03.:55:07.

released to the hungry little monsters. It has just gone midnight

:55:08.:55:16.

on the 11th and ARTPOP has officially been released in the UK.

:55:17.:55:22.

I will hear it for the first time. Oh, my gosh! It is downloading.

:55:23.:55:39.

You can really hear how much hard work she has put into this album and

:55:40.:55:45.

how much it means to her. I cannot wait for her to come back to London.

:55:46.:55:50.

I miss her so much. I cannot wait for her to give me the biggest hug.

:55:51.:55:57.

I want to tell her how proud of her we all are. We could not be more

:55:58.:56:03.

proud at this moment in time. I cannot cope.

:56:04.:56:34.

I love it. ARTPOP is about finding your talent. If you are going to be

:56:35.:56:49.

good at art, pursue their talent. Do something creative. Creative things

:56:50.:56:55.

are so important. This album is so creative and so beautiful. I want to

:56:56.:57:01.

say a massive thank you. Just having to pause for a second. ARTPOP is

:57:02.:57:08.

actually number one on iTunes within 30 minutes. That was quick.

:57:09.:57:25.

It is amazing. The Little Monsters. Loving it, of course. Some

:57:26.:57:32.

unanswered questions. The main one being, is there any art in ARTPOP?

:57:33.:57:35.

Well, art is referenced a couple of times in the lyrics, but to be

:57:36.:57:39.

honest the music - there are at least six fantastic songs by the way

:57:40.:57:43.

- is what we expect from Gaga. Big, hooky pop, designed for the dance

:57:44.:57:47.

floor at 3am, as much as it is for the charts. If you think about her

:57:48.:57:53.

as a kind of multimedia mistress, though, perhaps you can say that the

:57:54.:57:57.

art is in her videos. It is certainly in her encounters with her

:57:58.:58:02.

fans as she moves from car to lobby. And, of course, it was in that

:58:03.:58:05.

incredibly strange performance that she gave us on camera. Record

:58:06.:58:10.

breakingly long pauses, strange confessions, a brief seance with

:58:11.:58:16.

Andy Warhol. And only one answer that really had anything to do with

:58:17.:58:21.

her music at all. I liked her. In fact, I was slightly blown away by

:58:22.:58:25.

her and I hope you were too.

:58:26.:58:32.

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