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Hello and welcome to a record of a rather strange eight days. In which | :00:10. | :00:24. | |
Lady Gaga's fans wait for Lady Gaga. In which I wait for an interview | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
with Lady Gaga, and in which, when I eventually get that interview, I end | :00:31. | :00:38. | |
up waiting for Lady Gaga to speak. As the blood rushed out of my | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
body... How do I explain it? Friday, October 25th, a little more | :00:43. | :01:27. | |
than two weeks before the release of Lady Gaga's third album, ARTPOP. She | :01:28. | :01:34. | |
has been out of the public eye for getting on for two years, forced to | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
cancel part of her previous tour because she danced too much and | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
injured her hip. When she is in London, she always stays here, in | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
the Langham Hotel, very close to BBC broadcasting. Her fans were waiting. | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
I really am thankful that I am a fan and I am able to experience | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
everything that she is doing in real time, because I know that in years | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
to come, people are going to look back and realise how significant she | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
was. They are called the Little Monsters, and Gaga is Mother | :02:09. | :02:18. | |
Monster. It is a selfie with Mother Monster that they are really waiting | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
for. She was one of the first artists to realise what social media | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
could do for her. She has the third-largest following on Twitter | :02:28. | :02:29. | |
and the largest following on Facebook, of 60 million. In this new | :02:30. | :02:40. | |
world, everything depends on these, smartphones. You cannot really be a | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
fine without one. It is how you take your selfies with Gaga. With your | :02:45. | :02:50. | |
smartphone, it is as though, while you are waiting for Gaga, she is | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
just there, whispering to you. No one will ever understand her except | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
her fans. It is a new breed, it is a new kind, something that no other | :03:01. | :03:11. | |
celebrity has with their fans. We camp for days, weeks, to see Gaga. | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
We do not sleep, we spend all our money on her. Taxis. We put our life | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
on hold for Gaga. I have so many friends through her. This is me and | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
my best friend, and I met him through Gaga. That was over a year | :03:30. | :03:37. | |
ago. And we are best friends. I would not have met him if it was not | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
for Gaga. Hopefully he will be one of the friends that I keep for a | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
lifetime, and I am so happy that this is because of Gaga. How much | :03:47. | :03:58. | |
longer? It is going to be really worth it when she comes out. I would | :03:59. | :04:09. | |
imagine nine o'clock. Imagine ten o'clock don't! To the fans, she is | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
not just a start, she is a fellow sufferer. They do not simply add my | :04:16. | :04:21. | |
her, they identify with her. She was bullied at school, and so were they. | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
I do not even feel like she is a celebrity. I just feel like, this is | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
a person that has inspired me so much and has helped me through my | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
life. She has given me an amazing set of best friends, and without my | :04:37. | :04:39. | |
best friends now I would not be anywhere. Gaga has taken every | :04:40. | :04:45. | |
single underdog who was insecure away from all the kids at school, | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
and she has put them in the limelight and made them be proud of | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
themselves. She has made the weirdos at the party look cool. She has | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
become a defender of the bullied and oppressed, and none of that has | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
changed, neither has the music. The first track from the new album is a | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
trademark Gaga top club anthem, called Applause. | :05:13. | :05:33. | |
Same small woman, same massive voice. I like it, it is a great | :05:34. | :05:46. | |
song. She will be here very soon, very, very soon, within the next | :05:47. | :05:52. | |
hour, hopefully. If not sooner. Gaga finally arrives after nine o'clock | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
at the Langham, and she arrives the way she always does, strangely. Here | :05:59. | :06:12. | |
we go, here we go. Gaga, you look amazing. We love you so much! The | :06:13. | :06:21. | |
paparazzi of course go in snap happy overdrive, the flesh is weak havoc | :06:22. | :06:29. | |
on our cameras. But still, there she is. She is tiny. White face, black | :06:30. | :06:41. | |
contacts, bare feet. The dress is translucent, and there is nothing | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
underneath. She does not seem to speak, and when she does, it is | :06:46. | :06:58. | |
bizarre. Push your arms up. And she keeps it up all the way into the | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
hotel lobby. Are they going inside? She is a | :07:02. | :07:30. | |
human being, let her have her say! The paparazzi went in first and then | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
we went in with them. But she did that whole thing, straight into the | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
lift, and she kept, that is what I like about her the boast, she keeps | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
on the performance, and she carries on doing it, even if she looks | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
ridiculous, until she is out of sight. That is my favourite thing | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
about her, she is so theatrical. So, she is in the hotel. We have been | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
promised an interview. The only question is, when? So, what are we | :07:57. | :08:05. | |
doing? We are waiting for Gaga. But it is not just me. Because we | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
thought of Gaga as the world's most alternative mainstream artist, we | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
thought we would dress the set. It would look amazing. It would not | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
just be me interviewing Gaga, it would be a comment on the way she | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
talks to the fans. And so we have brought some people along. Do you | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
want to meet them? Here they are. They are waiting for Gaga, too. The | :08:29. | :08:48. | |
new album is called ARTPOP. For the last few months, Gaga has been using | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
her Twitter feed to keep more than 40 million followers, including me, | :08:52. | :08:58. | |
in the loop. Snippets of music and updates on the art ingredients she | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
has been throwing into the pot, the artists she has been working with. | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
There is the New York-based performance artist Marina Abramovic, | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
creator of the "Abramovic method", a blend of performance and meditation. | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
You can watch this on Youtube, Gaga practising said method. We asked | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
Marina Abramovic to tell us what working with Gaga was like. Before I | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
met her, I knew about her, like everybody else, that this is this | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
young, outrageous girl, who wears strange clothes, she is into | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
extremes, she is experimental, she has 43 million people on Twitter | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
following her, whatever she does, Little Monsters, she wins so many | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
awards, and sells millions of records. That's about all. And | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
finally, when I met her, and she came really very humble to my house | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
and asked me if I can teach her, I started really changing my opinion | :10:06. | :10:11. | |
of her entirely. I found somebody who really is serious, who really | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
wants to learn and how much you can push your mental and physical | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
limits. She was such a good student. We went to the woods. She | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
never cheated, she went much further than I asked her. I started having | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
huge respect for her. She has also been working with Robert Millson, | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
high priest, perhaps the Pope of American experimental theatre. And | :10:42. | :10:52. | |
then there is Jeff Koons, the most commercially successful artist in | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
America. And very kindly, Jeff has sent us a selfie, too. When I think | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
about what it was like to work with Lady Gaga, it was a joy, pure joy, | :11:03. | :11:10. | |
because her character is always surprising, in her generosity, and | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
how connected her call being is to wanting to participate, to share in | :11:19. | :11:26. | |
the excitement, in the sensations of feeling, and being able from those | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
feelings to go into expanding on thoughts and ideas and to be engaged | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
in it. At her core, she is an honest human being. He has made a sculpture | :11:39. | :11:46. | |
of Gaga. If you listen carefully to the applause, Jeff Koons gets a bit | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
of product placement. # Suddenly the... She has released | :11:53. | :12:01. | |
two more singles, venous and Do What U Want, but she has not made a video | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
for either. Fortunately for us, the Little Monsters have been working on | :12:07. | :12:07. | |
one for venous, at least. # When you touch me I died just a | :12:08. | :12:54. | |
little inside. # I wonder if this could be love. | :12:55. | :13:10. | |
It is lovely, but it is unofficial. I want an interview, and Gaga, or | :13:11. | :13:18. | |
her management, keep suggesting different dates, and cancelling. | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
This is not normally how it happens. I have been a journalist writing | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
about music for 25 years, and this is how it goes. With a really famous | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
person, and I have done Paul McCartney, Madonna, Coldplay, Bono, | :13:30. | :13:39. | |
all of them, you get a phone call and they say, it is going to happen | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
in the next couple of days. They say choose Dale Wednesday. Clear those | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
days, and then they say definitely Wednesday, four o'clock. -- Tuesday | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
or Wednesday. You listen to the album, you take notes and then you | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
turn up for the interview. The star might be late, Madonna was one hour | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
late. I have had people being three hours late, four hours late, but it | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
eventually happens on that day. And that is kind of it. What is weird | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
about this interview is, I am never told when it is going to happen, or | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
I am told, and then it changes, and then the same again. After a while | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
you start feeling like you are slightly mad and you are not here to | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
do a job at all. You start feeling like you are a stalker, rather than | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
a journalist. You start feeling like you are a fan. I need to do | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
something to make myself feel professional. I need to practice. | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
Now, I am going to ask you about the difficult third album. Here we | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
go... So, you have done two albums so far, and this one, ARTPOP, is a | :14:42. | :14:50. | |
different direction for you, you have tried to bring art into the | :14:51. | :14:57. | |
album, in the way that Warhol brought pop into art. I wonder how | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
successful you have been with that? Is the art just a sprinkling on the | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
top, like on top of the cake, or is it actually within the cake? Would | :15:08. | :15:09. | |
you like to and pick that? Or not? She tries to get to everyone she | :15:10. | :15:37. | |
can. It is so different every time. It is mind blowing. It is like going | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
to see her live. It is such a performance. The end of day two | :15:44. | :16:00. | |
approaches. We've heard nothing. And Gaga doesn't stir from the hotel | :16:01. | :16:02. | |
until after 8pm. She looks completely different. She | :16:03. | :16:27. | |
is a space rock shrink-wrapped in a masterpiece. Guitar, fright wig, eye | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
test glasses, and a dress made from Botticelli's Birth of Venus. I do | :16:34. | :16:44. | |
hope it's not the original. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! I don't know. I | :16:45. | :16:53. | |
love her so much. Oh, my actual god! She took a photo | :16:54. | :17:40. | |
of me and chief smiled at me. I am going to cry. Delighted with his new | :17:41. | :17:51. | |
selfie, Gabriel goes home to bed. The other little monsters follow | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
Gaga across town, to GAY, where Gaga slips into a rather fetching | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
Victorian nightie, and sings her new song, Venus. | :17:58. | :18:15. | |
# rocket number nine take off to the planet. | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
Her performance concludes. She um... 17 hours waiting today. We went to | :18:25. | :18:44. | |
the studio and then she said she is coming here. We walked all the way | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
across London, all the way to Charing Cross, and then she did not | :18:51. | :19:01. | |
stop. It is currently 3am. 2:56am. It is exhausted. The day before X | :19:02. | :19:10. | |
Factor. Two days down and a million more to go. We waited for gaga but | :19:11. | :19:25. | |
she went round the back. We saw Laci. That is Gaga 's choreographer. | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
Goodbye. On Sunday, day three, Gaga performs | :19:33. | :19:43. | |
two songs on X Factor. She plays Venus again. She keeps her pants on, | :19:44. | :19:46. | |
and there are Botticellis all over the place. | :19:47. | :19:57. | |
Then she plays her new single, Do What You Want. | :19:58. | :20:12. | |
And, at the same time as I'm enjoying it, I'm worrying. As far as | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
we know, she's only here for another two days. And I'm starting to think | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
I might have to do something instead of the interview. It gets worse on | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
day four. We hear that some time today she's going to do an interview | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
but not for me. For the Graham Norton Show. It's the final straw. I | :20:33. | :20:40. | |
join the fans outside the hotel. I have resisted this for the past four | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
days but I am now here. I have joined the fans, waiting for Gaga. | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
We are standing outside the Langholm and checking out passing grade | :20:54. | :20:59. | |
cars, in which she made travel to another destination. It seems the | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
only way I can get anything to do with Gaga. The fans are all really | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
nice. You are nice, aren't you? She is nice. Everyone is really nice. I | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
have started to hang out here because it is more fun. I think I | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
might get a programme out of this. I turned up because I thought it | :21:18. | :21:37. | |
looks like there is some action. I have been here for three quarters of | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
an hour and we have seen a whole load of silver cars drive off. Is | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
that good or bad? That is bad because she has probably gone | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
through the back entrance. How will you know if she has left? We will | :21:54. | :22:01. | |
see her cars drive past. Some of the fans are going to ITV but I am going | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
home. She will be doing Graham Norton. I feel slightly sad because | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
she is not doing me. Is it because I am not as pretty? I have no idea. | :22:14. | :22:22. | |
Why do you like Lady Gaga as opposed to anyone hours? She has helped me | :22:23. | :22:29. | |
so much with who I am. I used to be insecure. She said being gay was | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
such a beautiful thing in front of millions of people and that helped | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
me with who I am and I love her so much. That is a good thing to do. I | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
am sure I will be meeting you again because I will be here tomorrow. I | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
will carry on interviewing year. Do you think I should come and six in | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
the morning? You are dedicated. At this point I was unable to keep the | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
lid on my inner mum any longer. Have you got warm clothes on? I have five | :23:01. | :23:08. | |
layers on. I have the models and I have blankets and pillows and stuff. | :23:09. | :23:17. | |
I am happy about that. They are in their bras and stuff and they must | :23:18. | :23:24. | |
be freezing. Shall be carry on waiting? I will wait till she comes | :23:25. | :23:32. | |
out. I will do that. I do not actually leave until she has come | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
out. Some people get tired and bored. It is a long day. 11 hours. I | :23:39. | :23:47. | |
want to see my kids. All right. That's great. I love him. I ask some | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
other little monsters what the etiquette is for greeting Gaga. And | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
I receive some surprising news. For some fans at least, the classic Gaga | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
fan gesture, known as paws up has fallen out of favour. We do not do | :24:00. | :24:08. | |
that any more. It is bad. You look kind of demented. So the hard-core | :24:09. | :24:26. | |
fans do not do pause up. In a delusional state, it might be | :24:27. | :24:32. | |
awkward. I am not doing it but I am. Most of the time... We used to when | :24:33. | :24:42. | |
we were younger. Are you saying, what? Up to 16, pause up and then | :24:43. | :24:53. | |
down. It was big two or three years ago. It is still there but it has | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
kind of died. We are not little monsters any more. We are monsters. | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
I can be a big monster because I am quite old. I have not been doing it | :25:05. | :25:11. | |
very long. I am a trainee monster. You are all established monsters. | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
OK. We have a spare T-shirt if you want one. That is fine. I will wear | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
it. Here I am. A fully paid up monster. Got the T-shirt. But I give | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
it back. It's precious. And I go and talk to one of the paparazzi. How is | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
it they know in advance when she's coming out? Everyone is working on a | :25:32. | :25:39. | |
weird kind of 6 cents. The indication is security. They show | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
their faces. They tell us, 15 minutes to go and we get in | :25:47. | :25:49. | |
position. So, now I know what I'm waiting for. And there's no sign of | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
security. And then we have a couple of false alarms. We get Bill Oddie. | :25:54. | :26:04. | |
And the dog off Britain 's got talent. This is hilarious! I may | :26:05. | :26:09. | |
come here every day. I am having a good time. And then I make a fatal | :26:10. | :26:18. | |
error. I made the mistake of an amateur. I went for a copy. I came | :26:19. | :26:26. | |
back and, as you can see, everybody has gone, including Gaga. She must | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
have gone while I was having a coffee and I am pretty gutted | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
because I'd did feel like, we cannot get an interview with her, I will | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
maybe feel her and throw a feud questions over the barriers but | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
nothing, I have failed. I am no good at this. I am leaving. Of course, | :26:46. | :26:54. | |
more experienced little monsters than myself have got what they came | :26:55. | :27:04. | |
for. She just wrote, she, on my hand. She came out and said, I | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
cannot take any pictures. I am late. I got her hand and I said, I am so | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
proud of what you did on the X Factor yesterday. It was amazing. | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
She took a group photo of us. I am next to her. It was so cool. It was | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
at this rather low point that someone on Planet Gaga finally took | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
pity on me. We were told that Gaga would be staying until Friday first | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
November, and that our interview would happen on that morning. We | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
were offered this attractive function room at the Langham to do | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
it in. So, it had to be disguised completely. We draped it. We draped | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
the mannequins. I thought about draping myself. We started setting | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
up at 7am. Gaga arrived at about 11am. She hadn't had any sleep. For | :27:56. | :28:04. | |
the last two days, she'd been working with Robert Wilson on a | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
series of installations - recreations of great masterpieces in | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
which Gaga replaces the central figure. Masterpieces like the Death | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
of Marat, or the head of John the Baptist. It turns out that Wilson | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
already has the video portraits up and running and they will be shown | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
at the Louvre fret until February next year. Can you imagine another | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
mainstream artist doing something like that? Answers on a tweet. | :28:32. | :28:39. | |
Welcome back. Thank you for having me. You had an enforced absence, due | :28:40. | :28:45. | |
to illness. How were you as a patient? I guess I was a good | :28:46. | :28:52. | |
patient in some ways. I was so excited to be able to rejuvenate my | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
body. It was exciting in a way. You feel like an infant. In another | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
way, I've felt dead all the time because I could not be on stage. I | :29:03. | :29:09. | |
just really took to enjoying and appreciating the parts of what I | :29:10. | :29:17. | |
do. Life is art all the time as a way to make it through that sort of | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
torture I was feeling. It was good for me. This stage is a place that I | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
started to rely on very much with the fans and the interconnection. | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
When it went away, I had to find a more spiritual connection with music | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
and art. I am on the dirty path now. The interview has been going for a | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
couple of minutes and I noticed something. Sometimes, before | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
questions, Gaga shut her eyes for a couple of minutes. I wonder if she | :29:52. | :30:00. | |
is falling asleep or I am boring. I notice that before you speak to me, | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
you drop your eyes and you centre yourself. Is that something you | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
learned from Marina Abramovic? Yes, I did learn a lot of that from | :30:11. | :30:16. | |
Marina, and also from Bob Wilson. I have been working with him for | :30:17. | :30:24. | |
48... Phil Morley -- for more than 48 hours what were you doing | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
together? We were doing a series of portraits. We were using his clay to | :30:29. | :30:34. | |
mould into pieces that he was essentially recreating, re-inspiring | :30:35. | :30:42. | |
into these beautiful, moving pieces. So, I like to make sure that I give | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
you my full attention. There is a lot of noise around me, and I have | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
learned, working with... Did you hear the creaking door? Yes. Who is | :30:52. | :31:01. | |
coming in? It is like a ghost. I have learned from working with | :31:02. | :31:03. | |
Marina that you need to be aware of these sounds. Because otherwise, I | :31:04. | :31:09. | |
cannot react to real life. But I like to make sure that I am | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
breathing properly and censoring myself, to get through these... You | :31:13. | :31:19. | |
see, I did it wrong there. To get through these long duration works. I | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
do not necessarily consider myself to be a performance artist really, | :31:27. | :31:34. | |
just yet. Just yet?! She did Graham Norton the other week, and he got | :31:35. | :31:43. | |
this normal popstar... Please be careful! You are just going to see | :31:44. | :31:49. | |
his high-flying away. And what are you doing at the end of... ? Oh, | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
well, let's just try talking about pop and sex. If you think about how | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
you present yourself onstage, if you think about a lot of pop artists, | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
particularly female, they are often presented in a straightforward | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
sexual way, they have to be good-looking, they have to be | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
presented as though the first thing you are going to react to is, do you | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
fancy them? And you do not do that. Sometimes you do, and sometimes you | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
don't. How do you regard your body, then, within that context? You just | :32:23. | :32:32. | |
asked me like 1000 questions. In one. Yes, or maybe I just have 1000 | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
opinions about it. So let me just begin with something. Well, I would | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
say in pop music, in that particular sphere, that there is a | :32:44. | :32:45. | |
one-dimensional quality to sexuality. So, I think the | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
difference between what I do and that, if I could maybe start there, | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
is that there is any intention always behind the sexuality, if the | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
sexuality is there. Most of the time, I do not particularly find | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
myself to be very sexy, actually. And then, in the beginning of my | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
career, I think that some of this exploration of covering myself up | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
and transforming into other icons and other states of life force, was | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
a sense of sexual freedom for me, because I felt quite numbed by my | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
experience, and I wanted to escape things. You use sex on this album in | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
quite an interesting way. There are lots of different aspects to it, but | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
often it is used as a way into love, it seems, the sex is going to | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
hopefully leading to something which will touch you a little more, would | :33:38. | :33:42. | |
you say that is white? Yes, I would say that is white, but I actually | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
don't create with the intention of the finality, if that makes any | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
sense. I do not always know exactly what is going to come out of it. So, | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
it is beautiful for me to hear your reading of my experience with sex | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
and love at this time, because my earlier experiences of sex were | :34:02. | :34:09. | |
quite perverted and scary, terrifying... Fear... It reminds me | :34:10. | :34:18. | |
of these things we are sitting around. Yes, they are quite spooky, | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
and they? It was sort of terrifying for me. But now I have really great | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
sex. Which is good, I am glad to hear it. It is just sort of a | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
natural change. I guess we are dealing with two different | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
conversations in a way. When I am working with Bob, for example, I was | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
a vehicle for an expression of him having a conversation. For example | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
we did The Head of John the Baptist, 1507. I find myself talking | :34:51. | :34:58. | |
to a million selling pop star with a new album coming out who would | :34:59. | :35:00. | |
rather discuss her experimentation with another artist. I have been | :35:01. | :35:06. | |
recreating this image, The Head of John the Baptist, by Andrea Solari. | :35:07. | :35:14. | |
Hopefully John the Baptist will come to me and say, it is OK, you are | :35:15. | :35:21. | |
allowed. And the same thing, we did The Death of Marat, and this was the | :35:22. | :35:27. | |
same. I have an experience where I have two really breathe, and I have | :35:28. | :35:31. | |
to have a tremendous understanding of the artist that created the work. | :35:32. | :35:39. | |
And for me, like I said, it is really, I have always heard things, | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
my entire life, since I was young, and it has come out first in the | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
form of music. When you say you have heard things, what do you mean, | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
something speaking to you in your head? I mean, I do not even know, | :35:55. | :36:05. | |
just things. I always noticed that I would say or notice things, or | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
accuse things happening which people around me did not were happening. | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
And as I got older, it started to make me feel sick, and it still | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
makes me feel sick sometimes. Marina has really helped me with that. She | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
calls me a diseased artist, she says it is OK. So then, my own work, this | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
is a duration of my own life, it is completely separate from what I am | :36:33. | :36:40. | |
doing with Bob and Marina. But with ARTPOP, I wanted to show that being | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
a student is OK. I feel that the education of your teachers, every | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
dancer that you have danced with, every paintbrush that you have | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
touched, every book that you have read, every bit of music that you | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
have heard, if you channel that entire history into the thing that | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
you are creating, whereas in intention in the work which runs to | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
the centre of the Earth. That is quite interesting, because what | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
people might say or worry about your work is that you have so many | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
artistic references within it... OK, pause again. One of the good things | :37:14. | :37:19. | |
about Applause is its video, which contains a lot of cultural | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
references, so many that websites have started counting them. This one | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
says it has got 48 cultural references. We can see Botticelli, | :37:27. | :37:34. | |
Andy Warhol, Fritz Lang, and of course, KJ Choi... Anyway, carry on. | :37:35. | :37:46. | |
Wearing it like a hat, yes. Which is putting it on and taking it off, so | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
to put it within an album, to make sure it is embedded, that is quite a | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
hard thing to do, given that you have got so many references in your | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
work. You do not want to think you are Michael Jackson going through a | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
home furnishing shop, you need to make sure that it is in the works, | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
don't you? You do and you don't. We are getting back to this idea of | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
defining art in jongleurs and sticking it in particular places. I | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
want to really free myself of all of that. -- in genres. It is really | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
exhausting to have the projection of the world onto you, what you should | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
be. I do not know what I am. I do not even know if that is any good, | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
and I do not know if that matters. What matters is that it is, and it | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
is there, free to feel and to be and to experience. It is a life force on | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
its own. And I am still very young in the duration of my work. If you | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
look at the work of many artists over many mediums, you can see them | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
channelling and imitating and bringing along the artists that they | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
have admired and learned from, their teachers. And then later on in their | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
careers, that is when the real amazing work starts to happen. So I | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
do not know if anything I have done is very good, but that is not really | :39:03. | :39:05. | |
the point. I am not really the point, if that makes any sense. It | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
does. You are saying that you are on a journey to try to discover the art | :39:11. | :39:13. | |
that you can make and you do not know if you have made it yet. Sure, | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
it is really about the potential. What I am saying is that it is worth | :39:19. | :39:22. | |
it to be a student. To not be a student would be to suggest that I | :39:23. | :39:26. | |
was creating in a vacuum, just floating in space, with no | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
knowledge, no gravity, no error, no oxygen, no nothing. And perhaps that | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
is something that I will learn how to do. I do not know that anyone | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
does that. I have yet to meet any great artist, and I am very lucky to | :39:42. | :39:50. | |
have worked with Jeff Koons, Bob Wilson, Marina Abramovic I have yet | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
to have any moments with them where we have not been talking about art | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
works which have happened before. You just have to trust in your | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
teachers that they will guide you. And how did you pick those three | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
teachers? To me, they all seem very different to each other. They seem | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
like they have come from different backgrounds, although they are all | :40:14. | :40:22. | |
artists. I think they are my holy Trinity. In a way. You have theatre, | :40:23. | :40:32. | |
you have this discipline, this meditative, performance discipline, | :40:33. | :40:39. | |
and then you have a commercial art which is viable as fine art. And | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
these are all the sorts of things that I am very interested in. So, it | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
is the combination of what they represent for me, and how it has | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
guided me in my views of where we are now, in terms of pop art and how | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
it has travelled into our pop, like an inferno. So, without | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
disrespecting you, I am just trying to explain it to young kids, we are | :41:04. | :41:18. | |
taking the soup can art and putting it back in the soup can. The soup | :41:19. | :41:26. | |
can art is already on the soup can, it says Andy Warhol on the bottle. I | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
have been doing this since the beginning of my career, and I have | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
just discovered its meaning now. In the album, I have found artists that | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
I feel very connected to their vibrations and their work. We speak | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
a language that I understand, if that makes any sense. When I am | :41:46. | :41:53. | |
working with Bob, for example, I think it was maybe 7-8 hours | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
yesterday, not moving, as he directed me. We did a bondage | :41:59. | :42:05. | |
piece, and I am hanging in Verte it, I told him I wanted to do something | :42:06. | :42:13. | |
-- inverted -- which was, I should not say tribute... Inspired by one | :42:14. | :42:23. | |
coach -- inspired by? The tortured soul of the artist, related to | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
suicide. We have yet to really acknowledge the living legends when | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
they are living, and they only really become legends when they die. | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
So I wanted to hang for as long as possible in order to have an | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
experience with my body feeling numb and being out of control, the thing | :42:44. | :42:50. | |
which you mentioned. And also, facing the challenge of my own | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
mortality. And I went out and they tied me up, they inverted me. It was | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
quite intense. And he just pressed record. That to me sounds remarkably | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
intense and a very difficult thing to do. When you came out of that, | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
obviously, you had to be in a certain state in order to create | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
that piece, so how do you feel? I went through so many different | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
emotions from the beginning to the end of the piece. I am usually quite | :43:18. | :43:27. | |
speechless after I do something like that, and for example with that | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
piece, I did not really feel human at all. My humanity really left me, | :43:33. | :43:40. | |
and my mortality didn't matter. But this numbing sensation from the | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
feet, as it travels up into the neck and then your heart starts to go | :43:46. | :43:48. | |
numb, and your arms, and then your head, it is somewhat of what I would | :43:49. | :43:56. | |
imagine that feels like. And yet there were moments I was quite | :43:57. | :44:01. | |
liberated by the feeling, because I have had addiction problems as well, | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
so the numbing is quite freeing for me. And as the blood rushed out of | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
my body, how do I explain it... ? I had to decide for myself in this | :44:12. | :44:53. | |
moment what the intention was. I had to decided in a moment when my | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
humanity was sort of being drained from me. How do such experiences | :44:59. | :45:06. | |
feed into your pop performances? It is. It is quite mastered the Tory. A | :45:07. | :45:19. | |
lot of theatres this way, it is like entertainment. When you watch Bob 's | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
work with the lighting, it is overwhelming how beautiful it is. | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
You cannot take your eye off it. What I am saying is, I think that a | :45:31. | :45:37. | |
lot of people like, for example, you, you are seeing me for the first | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
time. A lot of people in my life have known me in this way for some | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
time and see me grow in this. I have gone through stages of being centred | :45:48. | :45:55. | |
and then being addicted to drugs and alcohol, having a difficulty | :45:56. | :46:05. | |
handling the chaos in my mind. When I go on stage, you cannot imagine | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
the energy of all those fans. When you are talking about your reaction | :46:12. | :46:15. | |
to your fans, we have been talking to some fans who have been making | :46:16. | :46:21. | |
video diaries. They love you. I am interested in your relationship with | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
the fans. Every artist has a lot of fans. They have a certain | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
relationship. Your relationship seems to be particularly intense. It | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
is. What do you get from them when you see them outside the hotel, when | :46:38. | :46:44. | |
they talk to you? Well, I'd choose to receive their love. And, because | :46:45. | :46:51. | |
of that, it has become very intimate over the years. I think that maybe, | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
in your suggestion that my relationship with my fans is | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
different than some other pop artists, I think some of it is | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
because there is a separation between them and the work for some | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
people. That's what I am doing here and what is happening here are two | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
different things. Because I have studied Stanislavski since I was 11 | :47:22. | :47:32. | |
years old, I have a sense. So, because of that, I am aware of their | :47:33. | :47:37. | |
energy all the time and I received it. I need it for my work. I cannot | :47:38. | :47:44. | |
survive without them. They have injected this love into me that | :47:45. | :47:51. | |
carries through every single moment of my life. For me to separate and | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
compartmentalised my work from them is dishonest. That is what I am | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
learning. Working with Jeff is very intense because you see is pure joy | :48:03. | :48:12. | |
and creating like a child. -- his pure joy. This is what I am so | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
inspired by. You make it accessible for everyone to know that if you | :48:20. | :48:22. | |
love something and then you apply the discipline and then the eye for | :48:23. | :48:30. | |
the theatricality of it, whatever it may be. And then the integrity of | :48:31. | :48:37. | |
the message, from me, which is what Jeff is all about. That is something | :48:38. | :48:48. | |
when the moment happens. That in explainable moment. I did not mean | :48:49. | :48:57. | |
to interrupt. I did not mean to talk for so long. These things happen. | :48:58. | :49:08. | |
When you go out of the hotel, and you see the fans, you present | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
yourself in various ways. Those are the different looks from perhaps | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
what you would get on ARTPOP or when you are performing on the X Factor. | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
It is like another world that you are creating. Walking out the hotel | :49:25. | :49:34. | |
is not the same as performing on X Factor. You have two consider all | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
the variables. One I am leaving their hotel, it is so different and | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
it feels so natural. It is a canvas that I understand. The fans, the | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
love, the stairway. The paparazzi in London are very nice to me. I think | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
they appreciate the joy I have for transforming for them and allowing | :49:58. | :50:08. | |
myself to be OK with them. My fans like that. Also, I always stay in | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
this hotel now. It has become a stage for me to leave. They probably | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
love it as well because they are able to see me truly in my element. | :50:19. | :50:24. | |
There are a lot of things we do not see. The corporate musical world is | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
terrifying and I hate it. Why do you hate it? They try to tell me what to | :50:33. | :50:42. | |
do, the entire time. ARTPOP is about two worlds. One from the sphere of | :50:43. | :50:52. | |
art and one from the fear of pop. I became a pop star because of my | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
incessant drive my love for creating. Then you are faced with | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
the sort of choice. Am I going to go left or right and allow these | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
corporate projections to drive what I do? It is tormenting for me. It | :51:07. | :51:13. | |
physically painful. I had to decide if I was going to allow that. Allow | :51:14. | :51:21. | |
people to project things onto me and do that. I have decided the only | :51:22. | :51:27. | |
people I will allow to project things onto me are Marina | :51:28. | :51:42. | |
Abramowitz, prints and Jeff Wilson. Corporations are poison. It is the | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
death of art and it is killing young people. It is just like fast food. | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
It might taste good at first but after you eat it for many years, you | :51:54. | :52:02. | |
might get fat, sick or die. I just want to feed my family. You are not | :52:03. | :52:13. | |
like I thought at all. I will give you a hug. Thank you very much for | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
that. And that, ladies and gentlemen, was my interview with | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
Lady Gaga. Were she worth waiting for? Yes, definitely. She did three | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
more interviews then flew to New York to prepare for her album | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
release. Leaving her little British Monsters to do the same. Today is | :52:34. | :52:44. | |
first to November. I have lost a ball in my nose ring so it looks | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
really weird. But, before we go to the launch party, a little footnote. | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
A couple of days after our interview, it was announced that | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
Gaga's relationship with her original manager, Troy Carter, had | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
come to an end. So the launch party for ARTPOP, ARTRAVE, actually became | :52:58. | :53:00. | |
our first opportunity to see how Gaga might indeed move away from | :53:01. | :53:03. | |
that corporate music world into something more - art. | :53:04. | :53:11. | |
ARTRAVE took place on November 10th. And it was an enjoyably odd affair. | :53:12. | :53:22. | |
It came across as a collaboration between Gaga and Jeff Koons. Koons | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
sculptures were to be seen everywhere. | :53:26. | :53:32. | |
And Gaga introduced us to what is quite possibly her most eccentric | :53:33. | :53:39. | |
dress to date - Volantis. The flying dress. We cannot wait for you to see | :53:40. | :53:46. | |
her. Stand back! Jeff Koons and Marina Abramovic were | :53:47. | :54:15. | |
on hand to offer their support. And so was Tony Bennett. | :54:16. | :54:31. | |
And then she spoke - a little oddly, but we're used to that. I hope today | :54:32. | :54:50. | |
is a change in pop culture, not for me but for everyone. I hope that we | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
remember we are in this together as a world. If we belong together, so | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
many great things can happen. ARTPOP. And ARTPOP was at last | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
released to the hungry little monsters. It has just gone midnight | :55:08. | :55:16. | |
on the 11th and ARTPOP has officially been released in the UK. | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
I will hear it for the first time. Oh, my gosh! It is downloading. | :55:23. | :55:39. | |
You can really hear how much hard work she has put into this album and | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
how much it means to her. I cannot wait for her to come back to London. | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
I miss her so much. I cannot wait for her to give me the biggest hug. | :55:51. | :55:57. | |
I want to tell her how proud of her we all are. We could not be more | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
proud at this moment in time. I cannot cope. | :56:04. | :56:34. | |
I love it. ARTPOP is about finding your talent. If you are going to be | :56:35. | :56:49. | |
good at art, pursue their talent. Do something creative. Creative things | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
are so important. This album is so creative and so beautiful. I want to | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
say a massive thank you. Just having to pause for a second. ARTPOP is | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
actually number one on iTunes within 30 minutes. That was quick. | :57:09. | :57:25. | |
It is amazing. The Little Monsters. Loving it, of course. Some | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
unanswered questions. The main one being, is there any art in ARTPOP? | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
Well, art is referenced a couple of times in the lyrics, but to be | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
honest the music - there are at least six fantastic songs by the way | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
- is what we expect from Gaga. Big, hooky pop, designed for the dance | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
floor at 3am, as much as it is for the charts. If you think about her | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
as a kind of multimedia mistress, though, perhaps you can say that the | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
art is in her videos. It is certainly in her encounters with her | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
fans as she moves from car to lobby. And, of course, it was in that | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
incredibly strange performance that she gave us on camera. Record | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
breakingly long pauses, strange confessions, a brief seance with | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
Andy Warhol. And only one answer that really had anything to do with | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
her music at all. I liked her. In fact, I was slightly blown away by | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
her and I hope you were too. | :58:26. | :58:32. |