03/07/2014 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with Alex Jones. And Matt Baker.

You can't believe this. At 5p, our studio flooded, burst pipe. There we

are, ankle deep in water. We served at the big plasma screen, moved

everything over here. This is the own version of the BBC Oval Office

but as apps for tonight 's guest. We will soon be joined by a woman who

has held a few impressive titles. Secretary of State. US Senator.

First Lady of the United States but the most excited about its grand

mother-to-be. Yes, Hillary Clinton is on the show very shortly.

Hopefully. Literally, as we went on air, Hillary walked through the

doors. She's gone down to have a bit of powder and she will be back in a

second. Our friends from 48th Fighter Wing based at RAF Lakenheath

in Suffolk are with us. They are going to be welcoming Hillary soon.

We would love you to get involved, too. Hillary has given lots of

advice to US presidents and world leaders. But there's one thing she

needs your help on because that all-important first grandchild is

due later this year. All you grandmothers out there, send as a

picture of you and your grandchild along with your names and the one

piece of advice you have for Hillary Clinton. One of the many bills Mrs

Clinton has been involved with is one she helped pass in 1999, which

helps people in foster care to get a better chance in life. In the UK,

the law changed recently and now those who've been in care are

allowed much more access to information about the reasons why

they were put there and that means they can finally fill in the gaps

from their past. In and out of clear 18 months old,

Karen has always blamed herself, thinking she must've been a bad

child. There are years of her life that you simply can't remember.

Hello. This is meant to stay for Karen, and is hopefully going to

piece together a childhood. She is applied for the papers which cover

the first 17 years of her life. I'm very nervous. I bet you are. Much of

the information is highly sensitive. In the past, it was often blacked

out. Now new rules say local authorities must give much more

detail. Karen applied for her records nearly three months ago. And

today, 25 years after leaving care, she finally has her file. Do you

want to go and have a look at it? Yeah. What do you know about your

childhood? It was quite violent and I was put in care a lot. I can

remember being in care more times than I was at home. How a cryptic do

you feel coping with this level of information coming out you with such

depth? I have got support. My eldest daughter. With a family of her own,

Karen's file could be the key to unlocking the past for her and also

her three children. What are you most hoping to find? And says to why

I was put in care. How long I was in care for, who I was living with,

times I can't remember. Filling in the blanks. What impression had been

formed by yourself over the years? the blanks. What impression had been

formed by Everybody must've seen me as a bad child. I didn't see that

myself. I thought it was good. Time to find out. Yeah.

This is basically one I got took into care, my mother just stood

there and said, if you take that, you take the rest of the others as

well. I can see she didn't care about me. So there's the first time

you have ever seen anything which explains why you've into care? Yeah.

Apparently I should be detained with physical care on a long-term basis.

I had been assaulted. Family member. Karen's file reveals, as a child,

had she stayed at home, she was at serious risk. I never knew that at

all. I was two. It is there. The data, everything, it's there. Had it

already discovered you went this evil child? I am not evil. My foster

parents said it was a pleasure having me. Looking at it now, are

you glad you open that envelope? Yeah, I am. The first four pages,

I'm not a bad kid. What kind of parents would say, take her, take

them all. You stand at the door and save nobody is taking my children

because it was me, nobody would be taking my children away from me. I

don't give my fault I went into care. I think my mother couldn't be

bothered with us. I have left Karen to it. There was a lot to die just

and it started this process by thinking how fulfilling and

interesting to have 17 years of your life putting the jigsaw pieces back

together but you can see what it is done to her. A child who has had to

be courageous when she's younger has suddenly had to be very brave again,

to take it all in. Tony is with us now, keeping the

seat warm for Hillary Clinton. What was it like for you to be there? You

got a sense of it in the film. I've been in a lot of interesting

situations and I feel that was the most privileged. I was there as she

rediscovered her life. She was saying before she opened the

envelope, she was a naughty girl, impossible to live with, my family

didn't love me. I spoke to Karen about an hour ago and she reiterated

exacting what you said in the film. She said, I am not evil, I'm a

lovely person, which is a great journey for her. To have carried out

for so long. In that envelope, that was only two and a half years of her

history. Speaking to her today, it was a good few inches thick bitches

only got the years from 14 to 16, so there is a lot missing and she is

now chasing local authorities to try to get that information. She was top

of her class at one point, she was really popular at school. One of the

main thing is, the psychological issues, she passed her mum today in

the town centre and for the first time, she had absolutely no guilt

about anything which had gone on. So significant after all these years.

There's recently been changes to the law. Can you shed some light on that

for us? Care leavers have a fundamental right to do what Karen

has done and get hold of their records but local authorities have

to provide that information within 40 days, but it used to be handed

over council worker. Now a social worker has to be involved in

process. Has to talk about a person through the process. Also, they

should be told about the missing files. Karen has 14 years to catch

up on and of the local authority's duty to provide those files. Thank

you very much Tony and thank you to Karen. As we have heard, Hillary

Clinton is definitely in the building. She is coming up the

stairs now and I think she's the first guest on the one show who has

had a code name from the Secret Service. While she is being issued

her temporary BBC pass, here is the story of a student from Illinois who

became one of the most powerful women in the world. She has been

called many things, but how does Hillary Clinton describe herself?

How about wife, mother, lawyer, woman and children advocate, first

Lady of Arkansas, the United States, US Senator, Secretary of

State, author, dog owner, pant suit aficionado, glass ceiling cracker?

Political titles belong to others now but her sense of humour and her

sense of purpose look unshakeable. As a teenager, Hillary Rodham once

campaigned to door-to-door for the Republicans. But the civil rights

movement and speeches by Martin Luther King sat her down a very

different road. When Hillary graduated in 1969, she became the

first student to give the commencement speech, normally

reserved for local notable public figures. The senator spoke, pretty

traditional in its attitudes about what women's roles would be, and

almost a warning to us to be good citizens in a modest appropriate

role. And you could see her shift her papers and you wondered what was

up. She said something like, I am compelled to comment on Senator

Brooks's speech, because it everything just wrong about where

American is going. The students gave Hillary a standing ovation. It

lasted seven minutes. At college, she fell in love with fellow law

student Bill Clinton. It was a political partnership that survived

state politics and eight turbulent years in the White House. For a

while, it looked like she would be back there after a stint as a

senator for New York, though her attempted to be the first female

president failed, she was beaten ironically for a civil rights

champion by the first black president. Following defeat, she

pledged her support to Obama and he repaid that by offering her the

position of Secretary of State. The equivalent of the Foreign Secretary

and her job was to the damage done by the George Bush years and two

replace hard power with smart power. He knew the previous eight years was

not exactly a golden year of diplomacy and knew she was the best

person to restore America's standing. If she runs again, she

will have no shortage of supporters on the side of the Atlantic. Their

advocacy of education, women's rights, development and effectively

diplomacy, are an inspiring example to other foreign ministers and

would-be foreign ministers around the world. She looks at world

affairs and there are big processes, big issues out there, but she will

look for a way in through the people she is negotiating with. She may

have left the office of Secretary of State with a 70% populates rerating,

but diplomatic style has not been tastes always. There is a feeling in

her campaign by her advisers but you always had to project strength. She

shouldn't seem overly warm or motherly. Projecting that strength,

she was maybe off-putting to some people. And her lack of foresight

over the Arab Spring crisis was criticised. I think the illustration

was slow and she was slow to realise President Assad was a butcher. After

the anti-climax of the Obama presidency, many will question

whether having a female president will make a difference. I think it

Hillary Clinton run for president and wins, it will break that last

glass ceiling and I think it will have a powerful and empowering

effect on women all over the world. Hillary has been asked time and time

again whether she will run for president and her answer has always

been the same. She will dedicate her life to being a grandmother before

she makes any decision on whether to fight another election but recently,

and quite tellingly, she has added there's been a lot of grandfathers

that have done it. We will hold that thought from moment. Let's welcome

her to the studio. It is Hillary Clinton.

APPLAUSE Welcome to the one show.

We know you're on a busy schedule because you are promoting your new

book Hard Choices, going all over Europe over the next coming days but

it must've been a hard choice for you to go on the tour because your

daughter is expecting your first grandchild? I was she doing? She is

doing so well, thank you for asking. It is the most exciting thing in my

life right now. I am thrilled at the prospect, so I'm anxiously awaiting

until autumn when I can meet this new person who will be part of our

family. Of course, Bill will be excited as well.

new person who will be part of our family. Of course, Bill will What do

you think will be his best grandfatherly skill? Let me think.

He is very devoted to children. I mean, we used to laugh when he was

running for office in Arkansas, that if children and mosque eaters could

vote, he would win 100%. Both are very attracted to him -- mosquitoes.

He's looking forward to working in any way he can to give this new

child a great start in life and we were co-parents from the beginning

with our daughter. We were very clear that one of us would be home

to read her bedtime story at night, and we had extra time with her and

made sure she was involved and I'm sure he will do the same. I will

probably do the physical part of it but I think he will be very happy to

do that playing, talking and all the other stuff. The classic sitting on

the knee. Very much so. Both of us are committed to the idea that you

should start talking to your baby, really, at birth because talking,

reading and singing builds brain cells so our poor child was

subjected both of us talking, reading and singing. I sang every

night to Chelsea. We would look out the window and there would be a mum,

I would be singing, I would sing Moon River, until she developed an

ear and is about 18 months, she listed her finger up and said, "no

sing." You can't be talented at everything. That is not a talent of

mine. We'd love to talk to you about some of the global issues affecting

the world today and one of the main ones is that the US has issued this

global warning. Lots of people are speculating about what it is that is

actually going on. Can you tell us how serious the situation has to be

before one of these warnings is issued across the world? That's a

very important question. It does have to be serious. There has to be

a credible threat that we have come across, perhaps because some of our

partners around the world have brought it to our attention, and we

want to put on notice governments and publics. And what we know is

that unfortunately a lot of these groups are still determined to

inflict violence and to do so in a spectacular way, which is why this

particular threat is taken so seriously, because it seems to

affect airline travel. I don't think people should be changing their

plans. I flew over yesterday. I will be flying in Europe and going back

from Paris in a few days. But it's important to take the threat

seriously. Another front-page story today is ISIS, which has been all

over the news for so long. We've seen so many young men going over

from the likes of Britain. I'm not sure what the situation is in

America but we are seeing young men leaving from here and going to

fight. How do you counteract that? There are several things you have to

do at once. I saw the front pages over here and we believe there are

at least 1000, maybe as many as 2000, foreign frighteners from

Europe -- foreign fighters from Europe that are involved in some

kind of extremist group. ISIS is the one grabbing headlines but there are

others which are Al-Qaeda wannabes. But the key to stopping that, what

do you say? We have to support other countries and that's what the United

States and others are trying to do now with Iraq, to try to get them to

have a unified response, which means making sure the Sunnis feel like

they have a future in Iraq and don't want to support the extremists. They

joined with the United States back in 2006, 2007, 2008, to drive out

Al-Qaeda in Iraq. We have a new government in Iraq, Neury al-Maliki,

and he did not maintain the inclusivity. He did not say to the

Sunnis, "we're all in this together, you are at our table, " and they

feel that the enemy of their enemy is their friend, and they are going

to try to bring down his government unless they get more support to be

part of a unified Iraq. So a lot of what must happen has to happen on

the ground. In Syria, we are looking to try to help the moderate elements

because a vacuum was created and Assad pounded the Syrian people so

mercilessly that the vacuum was filled by these foreign fighters and

extremists. We have to all be aware that this could have very broad

locations for Europe and the US. You talk at the start of the book about

one of the most significant things you saw as Secretary of State, the

assassination of a Osama Bin Laden. We hoped that after that, this

wouldn't happen. Do you think in hindsight that that was significant

enough? It was significant but not enough and we knew that at the time.

Part of what we were doing was bringing in lard and to justice. I

thought it was very important to finish that business with our

country so I supported what the president ordered. It was a very

risky decision and there was no guarantee it would work but we have

seen the gradual erosion of what we call core Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

There, unfortunately, are plenty of extremists who wish to fill that

space and they are doing so by attacking the Pakistani government,

by continuing to try to destabilise Afghanistan, and then we have what

is called an arc of instability, from North Africa into the Middle

East and South Asia. Is that something you expected? It was

already happening. We knew that Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula

existed, mainly in Yemen, we knew about Al-Shabab, and other groups

forming because there is a split and a deep, deep conflict within Islam

which also has to be addressed. I believe that Muslim leaders, Muslim

majority countrys' governments need to be standing up against this

because it is the most direct threat to them, to their authority and

their people's safety. You talk a lot of those choices in the book and

we saw the picture of you in that room in the White House. Just an

extraordinary anecdote in there. We haven't got time to go into it but

it's all in there. We don't know whether you've noticed

- you probably have - but people think that if you wanted to be the

President, you would make quite a good one. Thank you. Some people

believe that. But there is always the other side! We went out and

asked some British women what they would want the first female

president of America to do. I think to have a female president

would just give hope to so many women around the world, in so many

different fields. That finally women had been given an equal position as

men. Having a female president would inspire me, simply because I would

like to have a career in politics and seeing a female president

achieving something I want to do would be a mass of inspiration. If

she was successful, it would definitely prove that women are

capable of holding high positions and prove to the rest of the world

that women deserve to be in power. It's important that women are

properly represented in politics and in this country, the representation

is appalling. I feel like women can do just as much as men in terms of

decision-making when they have the power and the ability. In business,

we come across situations all the time where it is essentially men in

charge, so to have the most important executive in the free

world being a woman would be a major signal. Young girls need something

to aspire to and a female US president would allow them to do

that. It's going to open the doors for every girl who thinks they have

a shot. When I was growing up, the only thing we had a shot at was to

become Miss America and I never got over the fact that I never got

there. So you run with it, Hillary. I think she will take more time when

she's deciding what decisions to make for the country. We women are

more nurturing. We've never tried having a leader with a nurturing,

maternal side. There might be a few less wars and conflicts. It's

important because women make up 50 the centre the population and

they've got to be adequately represented at the top in politics.

-- 50% of the population. So it doesn't matter whether it is America

or hear - we need women in charge. Indeed, Janet Street-Porter. 49

countries, including ours, have had a female in charge. Look at that

list. I think the knighted States needs to be on it and I hope we will

because I believe, as one of the women you interviewed said, we are

50% of the population, we have an enormous amount of talent. Women are

moving forward in the military, in academia in business and in

politics. When President Obama was elected, it broke that barrier of an

African-American being our president, which I thought was

extraordinary. I believe we should try to break the glass ceiling for

women as well. During a presidential campaign, you had a few choice words

and you really went for it. We went at them! It must've been slightly

awkward afterwards. Well, I had known him and campaigned for him

when he ran for the Senate from Illinois. I kept a picture of him

and Michelle and their daughters in myself out of this. Did you take it

down afterwards? It stayed the whole time, much to some people's

surprise! He knew it and I knew it. You both believe you are the best

person or you wouldn't be subjecting yourself to the gauntlet of American

politics. When it was over, as I write in the book, I met with him,

we cleared the air on a few things, my husband and I offered our sport,

we did more than 100 events and I was thrilled when he won. I was

astonished when he asked me to be secretary of state but he told me

that part of the reason he'd asked me was that we went through that

really hard campaign together. And he knew you were tough. We got to

know each other even better as competitors and when he asked me and

I said no because I wanted to go to the Senate, but finally said yes, at

the end of the conversation he said, "contrary to reports, I think we can

become good friends," and we did. We became partners first and then

friends. But it was good that you left him dangling. We know he can

deliver a joke. We don't know if you've seen this but have I at this.

Despite many obstacles, much has changed during my time at office.

Four years ago I was locked in a brutal primary battle with Hillary

Clinton. Four years later, she won't stop sending me drunk texts. We've

had fun together. I write in the book - and only a friend would do

this - was at a really important meeting about nuclear arms in Prague

and we had been meeting all morning, we took a break for lunch, and then

we were going back in to try to get a new treaty, which we did, with the

Russians to lower the number of nuclear weapons. He said, "Hillary,

I need to talk to you, " and I walk into a corner and he goes, " you

have food in your teeth". Nobody but a friend would do that. The book is

called Hard Choices. But we had a hard choice this afternoon. We

wondered whether we should show you talking about foreign policy in East

Asia or whether we should show a clip of you dancing in

Johannesburg. We went for the dancing! You've been doing your

homework! Did you think it was getting a

little bit weird? I'm still of the generation where I had no idea there

were 100 cellphones taking pictures! Is that the most awkward

thing you've done to keep diplomatic relations going? That was fun. It

was a fun night. There was a big dinner for me that the South African

Foreign Minister gave for me. We always have a little game with our

guests. We do things a bit differently here! We have a game

aptly named Hard Choices. Let's play. Hope you enjoyed this! We'll

start with fashion. In the book, you say that you don't conform - if you

want to wear your hair up, you will, if you want but glasses on, you

will. But if you had to take style advice from anybody, would it be...

Dolly Parton or Angola Merkel? Let me put it this way. For daytime,

Angela, for night-time, Dolly. You're going out for a meal with a

table for two. You are here in London. Who do you choose as your

dinner guest? Would it be David Miliband, who we know you like, or

his brother Ed Miliband? I know David much better and I've had many

meals with him and I can tell you, he doesn't just eat a banana! But I

would look forward to having a meal with Ed in the future. Onto the last

one. Who will be remembered as the greater president... Here we go!

Will it be oh bar on a? Or, of course, Bill Clinton? -- Barack

Obama. Let me put it this way... Dolly Parton? That's good! For both

of them, I give them high marks. I think what my husband did on the

economy and the balanced budget and the surplus and helping to oversee

the creation of 23 million new jobs was great in the 1990s. I think what

President Obama has done, inheriting the worst global economic crisis

since the great depression, getting us out of that hole - and it was

hard and it was controversial - and beginning the process of getting

health care for every American was really consequential. I'm really

proud that I married the one and I served with the other. Very quickly,

some grandmotherly ad buys for you. Always be prepared to play. Spoil

them at every opportunity. Just enjoy every moment because time

passes too quickly. Speaking of which, we're out of time. Hillary

Clinton, thank you so much. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE