03/10/2012 The One Show

Hello and welcome to the One Show with a newly recovered Matt Baker.

Tonight, Angela Ripon investigates the e-mail scammers who targeted

her and her friends. We'll give a big hand to Kenny Everett and

talking to his ex-wife and meeting Oliver who stars as Kenny in a

brilliant new drama. We are joined by two music legends. One of them

arrived earlier today in this. It's always hard to park this thing.

Good job. Beautiful landing. Good job. He is the genius behind Mr

Blue Sky, The Electric Light Orchestra's Jeff Lynne. Our other

guest, he has a few fans in the audience. Can you spot them? It's

difficult. I'm sure you've guessed it, it's the maestro of the musical,

Lord Andrew Lloyd Webber. APPLAUSE

We saw you last night with Gary Barlow and Gareth Malone and the

military wives. Nice to hear it again. Was it a late night? It was

because we did an aftershow party at home and a few of the artists

did come around and we did sort of uncork the odd bottle and we did

have a bit of fun, but it was great, because it's great to see so many

young performers coming through. Nicola and Milos. I loved working

with all of them, but I'm getting too old. What time did you fannish

up this morning? What time is it now? About 2am. Were you all

sitting around at yours? Sort of. Sometimes musicians make a bit of

music and it's always good fun. missed out on a good night. Andrew,

we have our own performance coming up later. Carrie is in Liverpool,

hoping to inspire people who haven't played an instrument in

years to pick them up again. If you've got a guitar, flute, cello,

triangle flugelhorn or any other instrument, get it from the atic

and take a picture of it and send it to us. As the Labour Party

Conference draws to a close, it emerged yesterday that whilst David

Cameron does it once a week, Ed Balls hasn't done it for ten years.

We are talking datenight, treating a loved one to a night out, just

the two. It seems Ed believes spending time home with the kids

instead of taking out the wife makes his marriage stronger, but

Anita doesn't agree. Ten years and are you having a right laugh?

Whatever happened to keeping the flame alive? Are the people of

Great Britain romantic or not? I'm going to find out and hopefully

rerindle a few relationships -- rekindle a few relationships along

the way. October, pick a night and say, "I'm going on a date ". Do you

go on date nights? What are they? Not very often. I can't remember

our last date. There we go. You have to stick to this. Lovely. Even

though you've been married for 57 years, when was the last time the

two of you went on a date? Last Saturday. Date night with your lady

love, getting dressed up, romantic meal. Really nice evening or

football in the pub with the lads? Football. Oh, come on! It would

have to be a Friday or Saturday. you regular go on date nights? When

was the last one? Saying that, I can't remember. 18 couples have

officially committed to date night this month, so maybe romance isn't

dead after all. Such a good idea. Do you have have one? You know,

it's hard with young kids, that's the thing, because you have to

arrange the babysitter. You have to make a point to go out. Andrew you

were saying watching that romance is high on your agenda? Very high,

because I'm taking my gorgeous wife away to majashing ka after the show

-- Majorca tonight after the show. Sadly, the clubs are closed at this

time of year. You know what we loving doing, is getting a chance,

because it's not that often with life and she has a huge

professional life breeding horses and all of that, but what we love

doing is just going to a great restaurant and that's the best

thing to do. Seeing a musical? maybe. Which musical would you

suggest would be the most romantic of your musicals? It's so difficult

with all the masks here, I have to say Phantom. I was hoping you would

say what restaurant? What restaurant? I probably shouldn't

plug anything. The cafe is very nice. Very romantic when I came in.

Last week we launched a brand new part of the show, helping out

anyone with a great local cause and Lucy kicked it off by finding

volunteers to befriend elderly people in Cardiff and take them for

a date sort of. We didn't think it would happen. Thank you to everyone

who did come out and said they would give up their time. We had a

lovely response. This week we are moving to Liverpool and Carrie has

a musical challenge. With her help can the city's lapsed musicians

rediscover their talent and love of music? Your challenge is to inspire

those who haven't played a musical instrument in years. Those you

inspire must be ready to perform as a band the ELO song Living Thing.

You are joking, aren't you? John is a Liverpool cultural champion and

the man I have to thank for this challenge. I came up with an idea

to get the older generation back into playing the instrument that

they loved when they were a kid and we can basically just discover the

music we love when we first started playing. We'll be the new ELO,

Extraordinary Liverpool Oldies. John, there's you and me and on

this stage in 36 hours we have to have a band. Yeah. This is Eric's

and Liverpool. We can well do it. Easy. Easy, I'm glad he's confident.

I'll need the help of local radio to get the message out. Carrie

Grant joins me live. Come down between two and five today to

Liverpool One. I have a fine array of instruments. I just need someone

to play them. The will's there, but the memory's gone. Are you around

on Wednesday? I'm not around Wednesday night. I go to Portugal

on holiday on Wednesday. With little success getting the right

people to audition, I'm grateful for a bit of help from someone who

heard me on the radio. How are you, kid? It's Ricky Tomlinson to the

rescue. Can you play ELO? Who? My arst rse. -- cars.

# I'm getting married to dear old Anne

# She was a girl # And the only girl that he ever

had... # Definitely a yes. It's up to you and it's a yes or a no.

We have drawn a crowd, but we need the right demographic of people. Do

you play a musical instrument at all? No. No. I used it play when I

was a child. Yeah. What did you play? Piano. Would you be

interested? No. Strawberry, blackberry, any berry, you like

Chuck berry. Are you available? # When I was just a little girl

# I asked my mother what shall I be... # Anybody else want to join

# Whatever will be # The future's not ours to see... #

I have no idea who will turn up. Introducing Karl, whose guitar has

been in the wardrobe for 20 years. Jamie who hung up his eight years

ago. And dreeia, who hasn't performed -- Andrea, who hasn't

performed since the school quie and Paul who is blowing the flute for

the first -- choir and Paul who is blowing the flute for the first

time in 25 years. Derek and his two kids and Patrick whose guitar has

been gathering dust for ten years. With a combined total of 115 years

without performing and just four hours of practice, what on earth is

this going to sound like? How are rehearsals going so far then?

as you heard, I've literally had to scour the whole of Liverpool to

find my supergroup, but I think I've managed it. As you saw, how

long has it been, Karl? 20 years. How are you feeling? Nervous.

Apparently this isn't your first time here? No, we played here over

30 years ago. I worked out it's probably preinternet, so that shows

you how long it was. You were in the resident band here? We used to

play every Thursday night. Tell me where your guitar was 24 hours ago?

It was in a dark recess of a cupboard behind the vacuum cleaner.

Gathering dust, but not in the right place. Andrea, singing for me

tonight. When did you last sing? years ago. Years ago. How are you

feeling now? Really nervous. First live gig in years and it's in front

of five million people. We'll see you later. Wow. That's quite a big

ask, isn't it? It is. I used to play the French horn and I used to

play the violin. When I was three I was on the cover of Nursery World.

Luckily my violin I can't find and more luckily my French horn is

nowhere to be discovered on the planet. I don't think I can really

join in the club with great enthusiasm. We can't even tempt

you? You know, I did think maybe when I was looking at that, I

should try to find it again, but I'm not sure. I tell you one thing,

when I was a kid, about 18, my father was very famous composer and

I was asked to go and judge the school music competition. I had

just written Joseph and all of that and he got it wrong, it was not me

they wanted, they wanted my father, so suddenly I'm in front of these

18-year-old schoolgirls all judging their music competition and I rang

dad and I said what words should I use. He said words like ombusure.

We'll move on to Jesus Christ Superstar. It's in Cardiff and then

Birmingham. Yeah. Touring all over. We've added four more dates.

Wembley and Manchester again now on Sunday. Fantastic. It's gone to

arenas? No, no. What it was was a rock show and it was conceived as a

rock album and in this country the album wasn't a big hit to start

with. It went to America and it was a huge hit and then done in arenas

around America and I've wanted to bring it back to Britain, 41 years

later, and it's now in the arein thats. Last time -- arenas. Last

time you were on you were talking about it. How has it turned out?

More than I could have hoped. It's fantastic. Just seeing it. 12,000

people in Manchester. They are all loving it. There must have been

challenges that you come up against with the Biggar reign naz? Tricky

spots? -- big arenas? Tricky spots? Sometimes the sound isn't quite

right on the first night. Two or three nights in O2, fantastic. We

were back there again and we are now in Wembley. Because you are

hopping from one to another every other night. It's a great, new

world to me, because unlike the one we did in America was literally

touring, this is a full production and there are ten trucks and before

you get off stage literally you have to get off quickly because

there is someone taking it away before you get off it. It's great.

We have got a fabulous cast. It's been great and a real rock band and

it's live. That's the thing. It's not on track or a mimed show. This

is it. 60 performers live. story is up-to-date and modern

twists? We haven't changed anything to do with the musical or the

lyrics or words, but it's staged as if it's today. I don't want to give

away what happens when Chris Moyles, if you haven't seen it, comes on

stage, but it's very much today and the whole thing is staged very much

in the context of what is going on in the Far East and around the

world. Speaking of Chris, he left Radio 1 and how is he getting on?

He's found a rather good new nearby for himself. -- niche for himself.

He's terrific and funny. It's our bit of luck that he has left Radio

1, because he's able to give his all to this. He's great. We'll have

to go and see it. You will. We'll come. Away from music, you are

judging the Heritage Angel Awards? I was working with guys on

Countryfile who were stone Masons who have made the shortlist. How

did you get into that for those who haven't heard? Architecture is my

great love and art and anything really to do with the arts in

general, so I have the foundation from everything for young people

coming into music and trying to plug the gaps with the funding gaps

at the moment. We also, one of the things I'm passionate about is

supporting people who have got the projects which never get recognised.

It's the second year. Clare Balding is hosting it. It's about people

who without any kind of Government funding, or just through

communities restore a building of importance. It doesn't have to be a

famous church, but an industrial building, or a station. It can be

anything you like, but I just think it's important that we recognise

people who are doing something off their own initiative and without

We've all done it. Someone takes an unflattering photo of you and

you've insisted they delete or destroy it. But what happens if

someone paints a bad portrait of you and then unveils it to the

Nation at the Houses of Parliament? How do you delete that? Well Gyles

has discovered how one of Britian's greatest prime-ministers managed it.

And Winston Churchill, conquering hero of World War II, with his own

faltering bulldog spirit he led Britain's stand against tyranny.

You can say never before in the history of the Prime Minister, has

the country been so indebted to one man but towards the end of his

career, was Dymchurch will became embroiled in a curious incident,

one that was hushed up in high places -- Winston Churchill became.

In 1954, parliament decided to honour Churchill for a portrait for

his 80th birthday. The privilege of painting him went to Graham

Sutherland, interviewed here at the time. He was a most considerate

sitter but I sometimes had two minutes or sometimes an hour.

is your method of working? In paint all the time? No, I do drawings of

him. Those preliminary drawings are locked away at the National

Portrait Gallery in London. He in this box there is the greatest

surviving sketch for the final painting, done from life. It is an

old man looking down on this rather intimidated younger artist. It is

undeniably powerful but I don't think you would describe it as

heroic. It is the picture of a wounded animal. You see all kinds

of rubbings and abrasions, Graham Sutherland grappling with this

image. This is the saviour of the Western world. Wouldn't you have

expected him Crick -- to produce at painting that flattered? But he was

a modern artist, he said "and paint as A-C". I ask you to accept this

portrait. -- "I paint as I see it". The painting was unveiled, but

Churchill seemed unimpressed. remarkable example of modern art.

LAUGHTER. And here we have a mock up of the finished picture in

colour. This is a portrait that the nation would have seemed. What was

Churchill's view? He was absolutely appalled, he absolutely hated it.

He said, it makes me look half- witted, which I ain't. He hated the

way it made him look old. I think he was deeply wounded by it, and it

was not how he saw himself, which was that Churchill that was loved

by the nation and loved of a nation. What was his wife's reaction? --

she was intrigued at the beginning but by the end she changed her tune

and thought it portrayed him as a monster.

There was an assumption that the portrait would hang at Westminster

after his death, but it didn't. all becomes a bit mysterious and

effectively, the pit to disappear, and nobody knew anything about it -

- the picture disappeared. In 1978, Lady Churchill died and the truth

emerged, which was that she had had the picture destroyed. She had

given instructions for it to be taken out. One theory is that the

picture was chopped up and burnt on the lawn at Chartwell. The other

was that it met an equally grisly end in her boiler. You have got

portraits by Graham Sutherland, obviously a very distinguished

painter. What would the value of this had been? �100,000. It is like

in the Antiques Roadshow! But it was burnt in the garden! We are

talking many hundreds of thousands now, if not more than 1 million. It

is artistic vandalism. That is how the artist saw it, he said it was

vandalism and he was distraught. We have lost a vital link with one of

the great statesmen of the age. seems that Graham Sutherland's

painting was a very unwelcome gift, so who am I to bring it back from

oblivion? Perhaps the best thing to do is what Winston Churchill

himself would have wanted, which is to consign it to the dustbin of

history. The portrait is a remarkable example of modern art.

LAUGHTER. If that is what the saviour of the

country from the Second World War wanted, that is what should happen!

Can you put it in the dustbin of history? No. There are too many

stories of great paintings. One was caught "Moses in the bulrushes". It

was cat out of the frame and somebody bought it for the frame

for 200 quid and it was thrown in a skip. The person it found it. It

was unknown. It was sold in Sotheby's in New York two news ago

for �38 million. No! A what would you have done with this picture?

This is a portrait of George V by Charles Sims, 1873. He was a

landscape painter and also a painter of portraits. This was done

in 1924. Picking only Esat four times for it and he did it, he said

it should be burnt -- picking only sacked four times for it. He has

got better legs than me! That is the point! These are not his legs!

The artist only got a few sessions so he concentrated on the face, and

the legs belong to an art student! Charles Sims got one of his

students to pose. Why was the keen posing with his legs like this?

is the night of the Garter, he is showing off the garter... What he

not auditioning for an Ivor Novello at? We do not know what happened to

be portrayed. The artist sadly committed suicide himself in 1928.

There is a new painting of the Queen. It is displayed in Canberra

this week in Australia. What do you think? The artist did not get many

sessions with her Majesty, and therefore he put it in Westminster

Abbey. Do you like it? I think the idea of putting it in Westminster

Abbey is extremely moving, the spot where she was crowned. And on that

fantastic pavement, which they have just restored. I think it is rather

striking. It is obviously not a modern painting. Have you been

painted? Yes. Were you happy with it? Yes, I must say. Rolf Harris?!

LAUGHTER. Rolf Harris is actually very good! I know. Have we got time

for a quiz? No! Next time! OK. Give us one quickly. What is the origin

of the expression blue-arsed fly? Prince Philip's first came up with

it in 1970s. The Oxford English Dictionary want to know the origin

of the phrase, it can't have been Prince Philip. I say Australia in

the 1940s. What is your guests in one word? No. We need your help! If

you have a clue of where that Now, a cautionary tale. You might

think a consumer journalist would be the last person you would want

to defraud but it seems even Angela Rippon isn't immune to scammers.

They should know, you don't rip off Rippon and expect to get away with

This message is coming to you... The hotel manager will not let us

leave... We got mugged by gunmen in Madrid... Imagine your e-mail

account and your name was being used by scammers to try to steal

money from your friends. That is what happened to me in August, when

everyone in my e-mail address book got a message saying I was in

trouble and needed money. Nobody send any money. But not everybody

is that lucky. Martin received an e-mail which appeared to be from

his friend. He was immediately concerned and he rushed to her help.

I saw this e-mail so I looked at it and it was an e-mail from Annette

which said, unfortunately I have had to rush to Kuala Lumpur and I

have been mugged and I need �1,500.20 secured a flight. And I

believed it, yes. I got the money together -- �1,500 in order to

secure a flight. Martin sent �1,500 but did not call a net because he

thought she was in Kuala Lumpur without her phone. Two days later

he discovered she had been at home all along. He tried to get the

money back. But it was too late. the thousands of hoax e-mails sent

every day, it only takes a small percentage to respond for the money

to clock up to an estimated �1.4 billion that is lost to online

scams in the UK every year. The question is what can you do if you

are targeted by the hackers? Might e-mail was breached, and my

internet provider helped me sort it out. David Slater worked on my case.

It turns out I inadvertently helped them to obtain my password by

responding to an e-mail I thought was from BT. They send phishing e-

mails, fraudulent e-mails, asking you to respond to it and click on a

link to look into your account. If you receive one, to not respond to

it. A wish I had known that before. But that is how the scammers could

ask my contacts for money. If you are someone who receives an e-mail

like this, what should they do? not panic. Look at the e-mail and

the format. Normally there will be spelling mistakes, the grammar will

not be correct throughout, take the time to investigate rather than

blindly sending money out. In the e-mail that my friends received,

there was a telephone number to call for further information. I

will phone it now have to see what happens and you might be on the end

of the line. The number has a London dialling code. Hello?

Hallowed? Discourse sounds like it is being redirected to a mobile --

the phone calls salons. It could be anywhere!

I have received an e-mail from somebody's saying they need help

urgently. Where do I have to send I have caught the scamming in the

act. How is he going to explain this?

Can I tell you that I am with the BBC and I have been recording this

phone-call. I believe you are trying to get money through a scam,

that this person is not in trouble because this person is me, that you

are a fraud start... He has put the phone down. Surprise

surprise. The UK's crime unit has received more than 1,000 reports of

scams like this so far this year. The police told Martin his loss was

too insignificant to investigate and he never got his money back.

What have you learnt from this? Never respond to an e-mail like

that again. Basically I don't look at the computer at all! My wife

just tells me where the e-mails off. Unfortunately, these scams will

keep on coming and the scammers get more and more devious. It is up to

all of us to be more alert, to be aware, and to beef up our security.

That is certainly what I am going to do.

Unfortunatley that type of email scam isn't the only one around.

Let's go straight to the scam experts at Watchdog, where Chris

Hollins is getting ready for tonight's show. Chris? Nice to see

you. Who else is phishing? There is a long running scam where

fraudsters claiming to be Revenue and Customs e-mailed to say you are

due a tax refund and you should send over your bank details in

order to claim. If you get an e- mail like Bass, ignore it. The

taxman would never contact you like that. Scammers from the Student

Loans Company, e-mailing you for personal information. A legitimate

one would never do that. It is really easy to fall for it. It

happened to me in the first week I worked for watchdog. Just be

vigilant. It is extremely difficult to get your money back. What else

is coming up on the show? We are going to ask what the record

downpours means for the victims insurance wise. They are facing

massive hikes in their premiums even though there is minimal chance

of them getting flooded themselves. Chris that barely fill half the

packet, and Odeon cinemas causing grief for fans. We will be on at

Also tonight, on BBC Four, there's a fantastic new drama called Best

Possible Taste: The Kenny Everett Story, all about the life of one of

the craziest comedy geniuses this country has produced. Here is

Oliver as Kenny Everett taking on some of his most memorable

characters. Welcome kids to this spleen-venting drama of...

Revealing information. Looking for an education. Out rageous

entertainment. Sexy Hot Gossip. What a show. How when it can not be,

the central character and the star of the show just happens toe me!

APPLAUSE Here is Oliver and Kenny's ex-wife.

Welcome to you both. Oliver, it's just incredible, the transformation.

Thank you. How did you get under his skin? Well, it's a strange one,

because when you are playing a real person it's different to building a

character, so you are kind of getting to know an actual person

and obviously you start off by looking at all the clips and

listening to his interviews and with someone like Kenny you have

the character to tackle, but the real thing was to find him, the

Kenny - becausely throughout 90 minutes there are all the

characters and a lot more of him being him so that's when meeting

Lee came in handy. You were married to him for 12 years. 14 years.

of people said that it was a sham of a marriage, but when you watch

the fit many it's so clear actually that you were completely in love?

Absolutely. We were blown away by it, but I think the trouble was I

covered for him at the end. When he came out I stuck around to cover

for him and so that's when the sham marriage came in. Was it quite hard,

this process, or did you find it Kath that are tick? It was horrible.

I went to watch him filming and I ended up being rushed into hospital

in the middle of the night. My heart was going. It was all the

emotion. Was that the scene then when Kenny and yourself get

married? It was our wedding. It was John and my wedding, our wedding,

but he was best man and they had this bit where they played on him

looking very, very upset and I - it did for me. How did this call come

about for you? Was it something that you were keen to do or did you

have to be persuaded? I turned it down a lot in years passed, but I

was approached about two years ago and I liked the idea of what they

were doing and the people, so basically I went along with it

completely. To me it's repairation to me. -- reparation. What sort of

pressure did you feel, Oliver, with Lee there on set? There's different

senses because there's a huge pressure from the public, who love

him and with the show coming up tonight you've seen how many people

have been talking about it, because there's such an affection for him

in the public eye, I think. Also, meeting people like Lee and John

and his agent, Joe, as well. Suddenly what you are doing becomes

- it takes on a much different experience than a normal acting job

and you are dealing with real people and their lives and someone

who was so important to all the people in his life and it's very

good, because it stops all the actory input. You can't be a diva.

You have to get on and get it right, because it's so important to so

many people. Let's see some real Everett mayhem and Andrew you may

recognise somebody in this. Can you play the essential grace and noblt

of the swan? -- know built of the swan? -- nobility of the swan?

Cretin. No, no. APPLAUSE

He still makes you laugh. Always. He was just funny off as well. That

was that. Did that hurt mim? It looked to me as if it -- hurt him?

It looked to me as if it did. Thank you very much for coming and both

of you. Tonight 9pm on BBC Four. As Car, i -- cp arrie is up in

Liverpool we have asked for loads of pictures. Andrew, will you read

that one out? I hope they don't sound like Kenny. This is from

Steve Bridge if Hampshire. "I dug out the old mandolin my grandad had

and I would like to play it." He says old. If he wants to play it,

there it is. He looks quite confused in the picture.S this

Lizzie in Birmingham playing the flute. -- this was after 27 years.

Emma from Manchester. She started guitar lessons today, even though

she got it two years ago. There we are. Emily has found your violin.

Oh, yes. It could well be. Soon we'll chat to the man who can no

doubt play all of these, ELO's Jeff Lynne. Earlier this week he was

find enough to leg Claire Grogan on his Blue Sky thinking. The year was

1977, the king of rock'n'roll was dead and the Queen celebrated her

Jubilee and a new wave of music had exploded on to the pop charts.

Probably not the best time to release a double album of

orchestrated rock, but then ELO, front -- fronted by Jeff Lynne were

not followers of fashion. He was playing with The Move and armed

with the desire to make their own brand of rock music with a

classical sound, ELO was born. Then there was this cover. It's now

covered to be one of the landmark albums of the 70s and stayed in the

charts for a staggering 108 weeks. # Sun is shining in the sky... #

The record's highlight was Concerto for a Rainy Day. The final song was

the most recognised ever, my favourite Mr Blue Sky. How on earth

did you write this genius song? record company wanted me to do a

double album, which was to become Out of the Blue. I went to

Switzerland to a little chalet. I was there for two weeks and it was

miserable and cloudy and not very nice at all. I couldn't come up

with anything, but one day I got up, opened the kaur contains and

thought, -- curtains and thought, wow, this is where I am. Green

mountains and vistas and blue sky and it was absolutely fabulous, sun

shining and it inspired me to come with it. Right away I wrote it.

you do it in one big creative burst? I wish I could say. I came

up with the verse. I'll try to remember it now. Obviously I hadn't

finished the tune yet. # Mr Blue Sky

# Please tell us why # You had to hide away for so

long... # Although it's the most recognised, it wasn't their most

successful, only reaching number 35 in the US charts and six over here.

But those chart positions haven't hindered the popularity. It's also

become a major hit on social media channels on the net and one of the

most covered songs by Joe Public and if you don't leave me, take a

look. # Mr Blue sky.

# You had to hide away for so long # So long... # It also reached a

whole new world audience as it was featured as one of the highlights

of this year's London 2012 Olympic ceremonies. There's a lot of

elements to the song. Do you have a favourite bit? Have you heard of

Sparky Magic Piano? No. It was on long wave. It's like a kid getting

a piano lesson. I'm sitting on a piano stool. What do I do now?

falls asleep and he dreams that the piano can speak. Was the decoder

that did it. While I was making this somebody made a brand new

coder and we got the prototype and we started messing with it all day

and it sounded like it had asthma and there was an electric voice.

Magic. Do it again for us. # Mr Blue Sky... # Can you just

clarify that the very last bit of the coder everybody thinks it's

blue sky? It actually says, please turn me over, because that was the

end of that side of the album. one ever did. They just pressed

repeat. Jeff Lynne is here. APPLAUSE

They love you. Like Andrew revisiting Jesus Christ, revisited

some old work and recorded them all again. Why did you choose to do

that? Because every time I hear one on the radio, the old ones, I think

it doesn't sound right and I think it was better than that. What I did

was I attempted to do Mr Blue Sky again to make it a little more

punchy and have more clarity and I'm a much better producer, because

I've had 30 years more experience than I had then, so it was like I

just had to do it. I was compelled to do it and I played it to my

manager Craig and he said it sounded much better and he said do

nothing one. I did Evil Woman and that sounded way better and

punchier. It's in my own studio now so I have total control, which is

something I like and total separation so I can regard it. I

play all the instruments myself, which I love to do. How many and

the range as well? It's not just strings, but the drums and guitars,

the whole lot? Drums, base guitar, piano and guitar and backing vocals.

All that stuff. But that's all the most fun you can ever have, because

I love being in the studio doing that kind of thing. It's funny that

you mention control there. In this brilliant documentary that is going

on on BBC Four, lots of people say you were a bit of a control freak.

Do you see that? I am in music. Not in real life. I'm very easy going

actually. So there! Can rerelate to that, Andrew? Well, you see,

funnily enough because I'm really a composer and not a performer I

didn't want to change Superstar at all, because the actual way it was

played I wanted to reproduce that exactly, although the production is

different. But I understand, you are coming from a completely

different way than I do. I just thought that's a piece I wrote when

I was 21 years old. I want to leave it there. All I'm changing is the

technical aspect. The facilities like you have now, for instance, 30

years on, or 34 years on, is another great, big advantage for me

as a record producer. I produced all the ELO records anyway, the old

You have got another album out as well. Yes, it is called long-wave

and I am more proud of this than anything I have ever done. Are they

covers? No, I have done my own versions of these great songs,

these beautiful old songs that I used to hear when I was a kick

before I took up the guitar. I never knew how they went -- when I

was a child. I had to dig deep. don't read music? You just play it

by ear. It is much easier than reading music. There is a great bit

in it documentary got all these little gaps where you can put your

naughty bits him! Let's listen to # Have mercy #.

# Have mercy on me #. # Have mercy #.

# Have mercy on me #. Is it true that you can record in

every room? Yes. I have a really big studio, which is almost as big

as Abbey Road, which is fantastic. It is a very soft sound, it has a

beautiful ambience. I love the Wagle furniture is arranged as well.

Jeff, you have influenced many fans over the years. We have three here

but only one of them have changed their name in your honour. Can you

spot which one? Is it number one? am such a fan of ELO that in 1987 I

changed my name to Jeff Lynne. such a fan, that last year I

changed my name to Mr Blue Sky. What about number three? I am such

a fan of below that in 1990, I changed my name to Eric Light

Orchestra. I like that one! I would imagine it would be Mr Blue Sky.

elite? Let's find out. -- really! It is Mr Blue Sky! Take your

driving licence out just to prove it. Brilliant. We haven't got time

for the police tell us why bit, but he has a Mrs blue-sky as well!

Lovely! There is one butterfly that has eluded Mike Dilger for the last

20 years. We sent him out to ticket office list.

Some might call me a wildlife geek and I suppose it is true. My

earliest childhood memory is catching small tortoiseshell

butterflies in a net and when I was 25, my parents bought me this

butterfly book. In it are Britain's 56 of England's mainland resident

butterflies. I have seen 55 of them. The chequered skipper is the only

one I have not seen. My mission is to track down that butterfly and

complete the set. Even footage of them is elusive. The only shots we

could find in the BBC archives were Now one of the rarest butterflies

in Britain, this is not going to be an easy challenge. I am starting my

hunt at Glasgow Museum, where I can see one but not quite in the way I

This was collected from Peterborough in 1964. In the 1940s,

the population started to decline and there were efforts made to

conserve it but despite the best efforts, by 1976 it was no more in

England. The entire British population of chequered skipper can

now only be found within a 35 mile radius of Fort William in Scotland.

This population was found in the 1940s by a lieutenant, who was

stationed there during the Second World War. This area offers me the

only chance of seeing one. Here, a team of conservationists are using

Highland cattle to help save his butterfly. They are like cute

lawnmowers. In the winter we have them in the lower part of the

reserve and it is their trampoline a round and grazing that stops the

trees and the vegetation is from getting established, which keeps

the conditions suitable for the butterflies. I am here in the

middle of the three-week period that they fly, but with a wingspan

of three centimetres, they are difficult to spot. Then something

The Green hair streak is it could find but not the one I am after

today. It has been a really frustrating experience. It is just

not hot enough for the butterfly to take to the wings. 30 miles to the

south is another area, where the chequered skipper is said to be

thriving. Glasgow nature reserve is jilted and has a south-facing slope,

meaning it will be a bit warmer. There is something interesting

about this location. The reason they are hanging on here is because

of the overhead power lines. The strip beneath a pile on is clear

that scrub and saplings to protect the overhead wires, producing a

habitat perfect for the chequered skipper. Right time, right place,

right weather. I have been waiting a long time to see this butterfly.

Finally, I catch sight of what I But not for long. A tantalising

glimpse! After 20 years of trying to see

every mainland British butterfly, I was hoping for a better side in

than that. But as the sun comes out, they start appearing all around me.

It is my 56 the butterfly it and the last mainland species I need

and it is about 12 inches in front With an average adult lifespan of

just 10 days, and just a few short weeks, these exquisite butterflies

will be gone for another year. I am delighted to eventually catch up

with this butterfly. I am one very Have you ever seen him so happy?

The lepidopterist needs a new project. I am starting work on a

new musical. It is the story of Stephen Ward, who was the great

society osteopath, and he was at the centre of the Profumo scandal,

but in my view he was wrongly... He committed suicide before his

conviction happened, but in my view he was the scapegoat for everything

that was going on. I have not got it completely clear but it is a

fascinating story and it is just the time when the Beatles were

beginning and everything was changing. I find it quite

intriguing. How long do you hope before it hits the theatre's?

likely to be 18 months. Minimum. By the time you get that a vector and

the designer and the story right. - - Get the director and the designer.

You work with the Beatles in 1994? They were one of the biggest

influences. When I went to do it, I went with George into the studio

and there they were, Paul and Ringo, and they had not been in the same

room for years and years, and so I get to witness all of their

reminiscing, the most marvellous stories, from their mouths as well,

and do real ones, not an edited and shut up or anything. We spent five

hours doing that before we got round to doing anything else!

Speaking of the Beatles, it is time to go back to Liverpool now to see

how Carrie is getting on in her challenge to persuade people who

have not picked up an instrument in years to have another go.

We have got four hours to rehearse and I have to say, that is less

than most professionals would get to rehearse. John, it was your

ideas so how is it going? They have dusted off their instruments,

giving it a go. Let's see how we # Sitting away on the crest of a

wave, it's like magic # You, and you Swede desire #.

# You took me #. # High and high you, baby #.

# It is a Living Thing #. # It is a terrible thing to lose #.

# It is eight giving thing #. # What a terrible thing to lose #.

# I am taking a dive across the sky # It is a Living Thing #.

APPLAUSE As the writer, drum roll. I thought it was great. It is a

wonderful idea to get people to pick up their instruments again and

that group was really good, and that the singer was great. One Mr

Miliband is good. I only spotted one wrong chord. -- and it Carrie

is good. We have inspired you to pick up

your instruments again! John Eliot is taking up piano lessons again at

64. Nice to see that. Next week we will be in Shaftesbury, trying to

plot 60,000 snow drop box. That is all for tonight. Good luck, Andrew.