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Hello, welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.


Tonight's guest went from being a villain this news reader on


national TV to becoming the nation's favourite prom queen. It


is Katie Derham. Nice to see you. As always, you are


looking beautiful. Thank you. are always immaculately dressed,


but this issue before the Proms last year. Nice! A girl needs a bit


of volume in the Ritz. But then you get on to the red carpet and you


are still sporting the curlers. wasn't the hairdo, was it? That was


not the original plan. Desert, come down and have a quick rehearsal. I


said, I have my curlers in. They said, it has to be now, get down


there. But everybody has had their moments with a header! Any idea


what you are wearing this year for the opening? Tell me what do you


think? I have not planned it yet. What you are wearing there looks


lovely. Typical bloke! We will find out more about the Proms later on.


And we also had a sneak preview of something.


Now, though, tonight it has been confirmed the parents of murdered


seven girls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman have been visited by police


investigated -- investigating phone hacking by a News Of The World


journalist following allegations that Milly Dowler's mobile phone


was hacked by a private investigator for the News Of The


World. David Cameron today called it a truly dreadful act and Milly


Dowler's Carin said it was -- said that it added to that agony.


Anita Rani has been given access to a report by the government's


victims' tsar. When Levi Bellfield killed 13-year-


old Milly Dowler, he made victims of a whole family, and during his


trial many felt it was her parents who were treated as criminals.


family has had to pay too high a price for this conviction. The pain


and agony we have enjoyed as a family since 21st March, 2002, has


been compounded by the devastating effects of this trial. What


happened to Milly Dowler's family at the court has drawn attention to


the rape victims and their families are treated in the criminal justice


system -- to the way that victims are treated. It to play every year


for the murderer of one woman to face trial. He had access to


lawyers, solicitors. We were given the information that we should have


had -- we were not given the information. He was given legal aid,


we were refused legal aid. We had to bear the costs of child


psychologists, judges. It took three for years, two years after


the trial, of court proceedings and a cost of our life savings.


family finally won a battle to adopt their grandchild, but at a


huge cost. Many people question whether the scales of justice have


swung too far in the Bay of the defendant. Justice is for victims -


- in the favour of. We need to make sure that their voice is heard loud


applause stop Louise Casey is the government's victims Commission and


is calling for a new Victims' Law. I want the tree it meant a families


the read-through meadow or manslaughter to be much, much


better -- I want the treatment. criminal justice system takes over.


They should be the most important people because it is their son,


daughter, wife, husband that we are fighting for. A violent death is


always shocking. Many family seat comfort in the normal rituals of


grieving, but for the family of murdered teenager Jimmy Mizen, this


was denied. Two days after we went to the public mortuary to view his


body. The fact that we saw him, I wanted to go back and see him again,


but we were not allowed. They said they would release his body and


then we could see him. The family say they did not get the feel they


planned because of delays getting his body back. Within our family we


have always had the body indoors, the coffin open, we say prayers


abounded. We spent the last night in the company of our loved one.


For us, even a dead body should be treated with dignity. By the time


Jimmy's body was released by the coroner's office, the undertaker's


-- undertakers advised us that decomposition had taken place and


not to view. It was like a second bereavement. According to the


Commissioner's report, these delays often at her because the defendant


has the right to request a second post-mortem. -- they often have a


purple stop the defendant seems to have control over when a body is


released. That should be the coroner. They should be the arbiter


of when a body is released. If he is happy that two independent


pathology reports Ardennes and they concur, they should release the


body. Jimmy Mizen was finally buried five weeks after he was


killed. Other families wait longer. The victims' Commissioner says that


is an acceptable. I have been waiting to publish his report so I


can call on the government and coroners to basically get that act


together when it comes to allowing families to bury their child or


their loved one within 28 days. I don't want a charter, I want


something that is a right, I want it in law. Her report also found


that by the time a murder or manslaughter case is over, the


family will have spent on average �37,000. Families say the financial


and emotional help they need will only come if they are fully


recognised as victims. Once a murder happens, the state takes


over. We don't have access to it, we don't have right of complaint.


In a democratic country, you think you would have a voice, but we


haven't. We do not seem to exist, because everything is finished with,


the victim is dead. We need some form of Bill or legislation that


looks after the existing families of homicide and clarifies that they


are victims. That is what we really need. Unless you have been through


it, it is impossible to imagine the pain that the families we have


spoken to have been through. The challenge facing the criminal


justice system is how it avoid adding to their suffering without


compromising its ability to serve justice.


Louise, welcome to the studio. We will talk about the report in a


little while. First, the phone- tapping allegations. We cannot


imagine what the families must be going through after this has arisen.


I don't want to comment on any criminal investigations that are


ongoing, but I want to say that a family like Mr and Mrs Dowler and


the whole of that family, haven't they suffered enough? Not only has


their daughter been abducted and murdered, but as we all saw they


had to go through what was a trial where they felt they were on trial.


That is why tomorrow's report for me is so important, because the


voice of these families, not just those you have referred to, but


countless families, 400 took part in my report, showed they do not


have enough power in society, that they are forgotten, not listen to,


they are not respected or given consideration, we do not show them


enough compassion, and if anything comes out of the Milly Dowler case


and the experience of that family, it must be that things must change.


Katie, Ed Miliband said this was a stain on British journalism. As a


journalist, what do you make of the story? Like everybody who has


worked in a newsroom, I saw those headlines this morning and I was


speechless because of all of the people I have worked with I don't


know a single soul who would have behaved like that. But I can


understand the culture that has arisen where there is so much


pressure for a scoop to sell more newspapers, get more viewers for a


news bulletin, that people are desperate and might start saying


that the ends justify the means. Clearly, as we have been discussing,


those ends were not justified, those means could not be justified.


We have to take a close look at the baby behave and say, we should not


be undermining the integrity of journalists -- look at the way we


behave. Journalists play an important part in society, getting


the truth out there, it is an important job. We should not


undermine it with a quest for ratings or to sell papers. Louise,


you are delivering your report on Victims' Law tomorrow. What would


be the sticking point? Why would this not be put through, what are


the chances of success? The think we need to remember about the


issues that are flying around is that every single year there are


about 600-800 murders domestically, mad and manslaughter, in this


country. There are families whose children have been murdered abroad,


families whose relatives have been killed on the roads through


dangerous and careless driving. All of those families suffer for life.


They have relationship breakdown, all sorts of things happen to them,


but then this dreadful thing comes along that we must improve, and it


is the criminal justice system, where they do not have enough


rights. Defendants have rights when they stand in the dock, throughout


the criminal justice system, but victims do not and I think my


report tomorrow is a wake-up call to all of us, which is that we have


to give more dignity today as families. We have to dignify them


with some rights. If they want to bury the loved one who has been


murdered, it is not up to the dictate -- the defence to dictate


how many postmortems must take place. I met a mother who could not


bury her child for a year. It is crazy to think those things happen


in our British criminal justice system. That is what I wanted


changed. The Ministry of Justice are telling us they will invest in


services to help families and will announce a review of victim support


arrangements. Is this good news? is a step in the right direction


but I want the criminal justice system to change. We have to have a


country where our justice system is as much about the rights of those


who do not break the law, of the victims, as of the perpetrators.


People want to spend money on victims, we need it, we need more,


but we also need a criminal justice system that is fair to have them,


to. Thank you very much, Louise. -- fair to them, too.


The centuries, Britain has had a powered train building tradition.


But today the future of the country's last train manufacturer


looks uncertain after it announced the loss of over 1,400 jobs. Justin


Rowlatt has been to Derby to visit the Bombardier factory to see if


this is the end of the line for the train making in destroy.


Steam trains, a golden age of travel -- train making industry.


Trains like this one are a mighty symbol of Britain's once-great


manufacturing industry, but as we all know British manufacturing is


not what it used to be. For over 150 years, Derby has been at the


centre of innovation in trains, building everything from steam


engines to InterCity locomotives. Just one factory now remains. This


magnificent locomotive was designed there. But now even that business


may have reached the end of the line. Frank Leeming became an


apprentice at the factory in 1948, aged 16. Today it is run by the


company Bombardier. What would he make of it now? For me, it is a


memory trip, an excellent one. you remember what the buildings are


for? I can, yes. This was over 74 acres, turning out 200 wagons and


100 carriages a week at one point. How did you feel coming back,


seeing that it is still operating after all these years? I feel


extremely proud and then a command and they think... I was a part of


this at one. -- and I look around and I think. Unfortunately


Bombardier lost out to Siemens of Germany on a major government


contract to build trains for London's Thameslink network. It


leaves the future of this unique British factory uncertain. It is


all very well saying it is cheaper to buy the trains from Germany, but


in terms of unemployment benefit that they will have to pay, it will


be more expensive. The government has no trees, they have to give the


contract to Siemens, did they? -- had no choice. You are supposed to


place the order way you get the best price, but other countries


make sure they get their own orders. Most trains for jam many are made


in the France, most trains for France are made in France. We don't


do that. The decision has hit people hard in Derby. Generations


of families have helped create trains that link a nation. Like his


father and son. How long have your family been involved here? I would


say over 100 years. What does this mean to you? It has been part of my


life for 30 years. How did it feel when you heard they did not have


the contract? It was a massive shock, disappointment. It is not


just Bombardier, it is our suppliers, the supply chain has a


knock-on effect into thousands of people. What would you say to David


Cameron if he was here? Give me a proper reasons why you would give


this contract to another country? How can they justify giving work of.


This is the last part of the industry, there is so much


uncertainty, it is frightening. Today, the country's transport


supremo admitted to The One Show that the way the contracts are


awarded may need to change. We have to look at the way things work in


France and Germany and make sure that we are not, in the way we do


these things, inadvertently damaging the interests of the


British supply chain. This plant has survived since the very dawn of


the Industrial Revolution, and is still turning out world-class


rolling-stock. What's more, this country needs to modernise its


railways. It seems crazy that it could close. And, if it does,


Britain will lose its last toehold We will keep you up-to-date about


the situation at the factory. will turn attention to the Proms


now. Last year, is this right, it was the most popular ever? So many


people saw it in the hall, so many people watched on television and


listened on radio. It was set up 100 years ago. Henry Wood set it up


for everybody to come along. There is music for everybody. It is


working. More accessible with multi-media and so many avenues you


can hear it on. You were there last year, that is why it was so


popular? Bless you. I slept with my sleeping bag in the hall! I love so


many different sorts of music. There are lots of things to see. I


am looking forward to an orchestra from Venezuela. They have had their


lives turned around by learning a musical instrument. They have an


amazing conductor. They play with such energy and passion. They have


smiles on their faces. They are back. We have the Horrible


Histories prom. That is the family event.


Those are free tickets. Tickets are free. They are available on Friday.


9am. There are all sorts of events. It is not just focused on the


Albert Hall. On the last night with the flag-waving, there is Proms in


the park, there is Bangor, Northern Ireland. There is Dundee, in


Scotland, Caerphilly, I do believe Miss Jones. I believe I will be


there!. And then Hyde Park, of course. For anybody who has not


seen it before, there are some bizarre things which go on, like


bishoping and Promming. A posh version. There we are, they


are Promming. EI see that. -- I can see that.


There are over 70 of them. They are there every day. They can bishop


like that. Two months of it. They start on July 15th.


They go up to September 10th. If you don't manage to make a live


event you can watch andlyen from the comfort of your own home, with


a glass of wine possibly. As well as being a nation of music lovers,


we are a land of pet lovers. Not so long ago we were treating


shockingly. Sergeant has the story of how we learnt to protect -- John


Sergeant has the story of how we learnt to protect our animal


friends. In the past animals were treated more harshly than they are


today. Horsepower was horsepower. We worked them hard, often with


little thought for their welfare. 100 years ago there was a campaign


for change, which affected every part of society. Most prominent was


the issue of rights for women. New laws were already improving


conditions for men, children and animals. Fundamental questions were


being asked. Was it right to pluck feathers from live birds, simply to


adore lady's hats? Animal laws had existed as far back


as 1865. Then it was illegal to tie a plough to a cow's tail, or to


pull the wool off sheep instead of sheering them. In 1911, the


protection of animals Act, aimed at preventing cruelty to all animals.


The act covered all animals under human care. It said, you are not


allowed to beat, cruelly treat or overload an animal. That was to get


away from the fact these animals were not just things for you to


possess and use, but also to treat well. Dogfighting was a huge issue


in those days. What the Protection of Animals Act did, which was


important, is it prohibited people going along to see a dogfight. If


you were watching it, then you could be convicted under the act. A


few years before the act was past, the fate of a small single brown


dog enraged animal campaigners. The so-called "brown dog affair"


involved a surkpwon. He was accused of -- surgeon. He was accused of


dissecting the animal while it was conscious in front of 60 medical


students. He was eventually let off. Public feeling was so high that


there were riots in the streets. Vivisection was not covered in the


act. It was something which really roused people and made them angry


about animals and how they were treated. The idea that man has the


right to do what he wants with his animals is a very old one. As the


19th century went on, there were books like Black Beauty. There were


increasing numbers of people who were owning animals as pets and so


on, and who felt if you own an animal, you are responsible for it


and you must not let it be hurt. How far have we come? Over the past


100 years, the law has banned battery cages, cosmetic testing on


animals, fur farming, fox-hunting and hare koorsing.


-- coursing. There are 600 registered animal charities in


Britain. The RSPCA alone receives around �100 million a year.


We are giving more, but are we caring more?


If you look at the number of prosecutions we took in 1911,


something like 7,000. Last year we prosecuted just over 1,000 people.


If you use that as a matter, yes we are less cruel. It is unacceptable


to be cruel to animals. There is work to be done. People are buying


cats, dogs and rabbits without thinking about their needs or how


they will look after them. The act of 1911 was a big step


forward. Our attitudes to animals is constantly changing. In 100


years time, who knows how we will treat moggie and his friends!


That's an interesting point. He looks good as a farmer, doesn't he,


John! We'll get him on Countryfile. Mike


Dilger is here with animal behaviourit. She is here with her


dog. There was an interesting report in the papers about the fact


that dog owners might be slightly..: Sorry I have lost what


I am talking about, dogs staying at home, owners leave, they think they


are happy when they are not. think I know what you mean! 1.5


million dogs could be suffering from home-alone syndrome or


separation anxiety. This is based on research. They took 20 dog


owners, put cameras all over the house. These owners thought their


dogs were fine on their own. They looked back at the footage, they


saw pacing, whining, panting. All the hallmarks of an animal under


stress. For zoology, it was said it is a real, on-going crisis for dogs.


Something to think about. Olly here suffered from separation anxiety,


didn't he? He was abandoned, found on the streets and picked up by the


dog warden in Cardiff. A friend of mine gave him a home. He has a


problem with being left when she was working during the day time.


She did the right thing and found him a home with me because I am at


home all the time. There are lots of things you can do for dogs.


need the right person for the right dog. If you don't like barking get


a Greyhound, which is fairly quiet. If you have to leave the dog on its


own, often and little. Give it a toy, with food all jammed inside.


They will play with that while you are not around. If you are out a


lot of the time you have to think, am I the right person for a dog? Go


to a dog charity, there are plentys of opportunities to walk dogs.


is the second day of your holiday watch series. Did you buy that


shirt on the Scilly Isles? No, it is a bit soon, it has raspberries


all over it. Day two, and the Collins family are learning about


the wildlife that live in the nooks and crannies of the beach.


The nutrient-rich waters of the Isles of Scilly contain creatures


which can only be found in the extreme south-west. One of the best


times to see some of them is when the tide goes out. So, I have


brought the Collins family rock- pooling.


Oh, look! This is quite an unusual crab, a


Montegue's crab. This is a female. These are all her Eiggs. How many


are there? -- all her eggs. many are there?


Tens of thousands. Well done for spotting her. Shall we put her


back? Yeah. Really important to put everything back where you find them.


There are more common finds with a fish that is literally a fish out


of water. This little chap is a rock gooby.


He is slimey. He can survive out of water for a long time. Up to 12


hours between the tide. When the water goes out, he is left high and


dry. He is like a snake. Sharp-eyed Michelle has found a creature which


can be hard to find. This is a worm pipe fish. It is


related to a sea horse. It has that snouty nose. Look at his face.


Isn't he sweet! The male sea horses carry eggs. See that. The female


lays the eggs. She sticks them to the belly of the male. Can I hold


him? Oh, gosh! Here we go. Like an eel. On land there are few native


mammals. These guys came over in 2008. However, there's one species


which is you -- unique to the islands. On the islands nearly


every house and garden has a shrew. We need a special license to handle


one. They are abundant. As they need to feed constantly a few worms


in our trap should tempt them in... If we're lucky. Best of luck!


Within the hour, we are. Guys, look at what I have caught in


the trap. Have a look, your first shrew. You can tell it's not a


mouse. It has that incredibly long pointed nose, which is constantly


twishing. Their eyesight -- twitching. Their eyesight is not


all that good. Have you ever seen a shrew before? Never. It's my first


time. Our cats bring all sorts of wildlife into the house. When they


bring shrews in they don't look like this. Their noses are longer.


This has an evenly tapered nose. They are bigger than the pygmy


shrew. The colour of the fur is different as well. That's a new


mammal for me in Britain. It is a member of the lesser white toothed


shrew family. No-one knows when they arrived on the islands. It is


thought they might have been stowaways on boats, arrive from the


Channel Islands or France. Shall we let him go? I think so.


Tomorrow, we visit the island of St Agnes, to discover what is making


ghostly sound from holes in the ground.


Give me five! And their happy holiday stories


continue tomorrow. Thank you for joining us.


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