05/07/2011 The One Show

Hello, welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker. And Alex Jones.

Tonight's guest went from being a villain this news reader on

national TV to becoming the nation's favourite prom queen. It

is Katie Derham. Nice to see you. As always, you are

looking beautiful. Thank you. are always immaculately dressed,

but this issue before the Proms last year. Nice! A girl needs a bit

of volume in the Ritz. But then you get on to the red carpet and you

are still sporting the curlers. wasn't the hairdo, was it? That was

not the original plan. Desert, come down and have a quick rehearsal. I

said, I have my curlers in. They said, it has to be now, get down

there. But everybody has had their moments with a header! Any idea

what you are wearing this year for the opening? Tell me what do you

think? I have not planned it yet. What you are wearing there looks

lovely. Typical bloke! We will find out more about the Proms later on.

And we also had a sneak preview of something.

Now, though, tonight it has been confirmed the parents of murdered

seven girls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman have been visited by police

investigated -- investigating phone hacking by a News Of The World

journalist following allegations that Milly Dowler's mobile phone

was hacked by a private investigator for the News Of The

World. David Cameron today called it a truly dreadful act and Milly

Dowler's Carin said it was -- said that it added to that agony.

Anita Rani has been given access to a report by the government's

victims' tsar. When Levi Bellfield killed 13-year-

old Milly Dowler, he made victims of a whole family, and during his

trial many felt it was her parents who were treated as criminals.

family has had to pay too high a price for this conviction. The pain

and agony we have enjoyed as a family since 21st March, 2002, has

been compounded by the devastating effects of this trial. What

happened to Milly Dowler's family at the court has drawn attention to

the rape victims and their families are treated in the criminal justice

system -- to the way that victims are treated. It to play every year

for the murderer of one woman to face trial. He had access to

lawyers, solicitors. We were given the information that we should have

had -- we were not given the information. He was given legal aid,

we were refused legal aid. We had to bear the costs of child

psychologists, judges. It took three for years, two years after

the trial, of court proceedings and a cost of our life savings.

family finally won a battle to adopt their grandchild, but at a

huge cost. Many people question whether the scales of justice have

swung too far in the Bay of the defendant. Justice is for victims -

- in the favour of. We need to make sure that their voice is heard loud

applause stop Louise Casey is the government's victims Commission and

is calling for a new Victims' Law. I want the tree it meant a families

the read-through meadow or manslaughter to be much, much

better -- I want the treatment. criminal justice system takes over.

They should be the most important people because it is their son,

daughter, wife, husband that we are fighting for. A violent death is

always shocking. Many family seat comfort in the normal rituals of

grieving, but for the family of murdered teenager Jimmy Mizen, this

was denied. Two days after we went to the public mortuary to view his

body. The fact that we saw him, I wanted to go back and see him again,

but we were not allowed. They said they would release his body and

then we could see him. The family say they did not get the feel they

planned because of delays getting his body back. Within our family we

have always had the body indoors, the coffin open, we say prayers

abounded. We spent the last night in the company of our loved one.

For us, even a dead body should be treated with dignity. By the time

Jimmy's body was released by the coroner's office, the undertaker's

-- undertakers advised us that decomposition had taken place and

not to view. It was like a second bereavement. According to the

Commissioner's report, these delays often at her because the defendant

has the right to request a second post-mortem. -- they often have a

purple stop the defendant seems to have control over when a body is

released. That should be the coroner. They should be the arbiter

of when a body is released. If he is happy that two independent

pathology reports Ardennes and they concur, they should release the

body. Jimmy Mizen was finally buried five weeks after he was

killed. Other families wait longer. The victims' Commissioner says that

is an acceptable. I have been waiting to publish his report so I

can call on the government and coroners to basically get that act

together when it comes to allowing families to bury their child or

their loved one within 28 days. I don't want a charter, I want

something that is a right, I want it in law. Her report also found

that by the time a murder or manslaughter case is over, the

family will have spent on average �37,000. Families say the financial

and emotional help they need will only come if they are fully

recognised as victims. Once a murder happens, the state takes

over. We don't have access to it, we don't have right of complaint.

In a democratic country, you think you would have a voice, but we

haven't. We do not seem to exist, because everything is finished with,

the victim is dead. We need some form of Bill or legislation that

looks after the existing families of homicide and clarifies that they

are victims. That is what we really need. Unless you have been through

it, it is impossible to imagine the pain that the families we have

spoken to have been through. The challenge facing the criminal

justice system is how it avoid adding to their suffering without

compromising its ability to serve justice.

Louise, welcome to the studio. We will talk about the report in a

little while. First, the phone- tapping allegations. We cannot

imagine what the families must be going through after this has arisen.

I don't want to comment on any criminal investigations that are

ongoing, but I want to say that a family like Mr and Mrs Dowler and

the whole of that family, haven't they suffered enough? Not only has

their daughter been abducted and murdered, but as we all saw they

had to go through what was a trial where they felt they were on trial.

That is why tomorrow's report for me is so important, because the

voice of these families, not just those you have referred to, but

countless families, 400 took part in my report, showed they do not

have enough power in society, that they are forgotten, not listen to,

they are not respected or given consideration, we do not show them

enough compassion, and if anything comes out of the Milly Dowler case

and the experience of that family, it must be that things must change.

Katie, Ed Miliband said this was a stain on British journalism. As a

journalist, what do you make of the story? Like everybody who has

worked in a newsroom, I saw those headlines this morning and I was

speechless because of all of the people I have worked with I don't

know a single soul who would have behaved like that. But I can

understand the culture that has arisen where there is so much

pressure for a scoop to sell more newspapers, get more viewers for a

news bulletin, that people are desperate and might start saying

that the ends justify the means. Clearly, as we have been discussing,

those ends were not justified, those means could not be justified.

We have to take a close look at the baby behave and say, we should not

be undermining the integrity of journalists -- look at the way we

behave. Journalists play an important part in society, getting

the truth out there, it is an important job. We should not

undermine it with a quest for ratings or to sell papers. Louise,

you are delivering your report on Victims' Law tomorrow. What would

be the sticking point? Why would this not be put through, what are

the chances of success? The think we need to remember about the

issues that are flying around is that every single year there are

about 600-800 murders domestically, mad and manslaughter, in this

country. There are families whose children have been murdered abroad,

families whose relatives have been killed on the roads through

dangerous and careless driving. All of those families suffer for life.

They have relationship breakdown, all sorts of things happen to them,

but then this dreadful thing comes along that we must improve, and it

is the criminal justice system, where they do not have enough

rights. Defendants have rights when they stand in the dock, throughout

the criminal justice system, but victims do not and I think my

report tomorrow is a wake-up call to all of us, which is that we have

to give more dignity today as families. We have to dignify them

with some rights. If they want to bury the loved one who has been

murdered, it is not up to the dictate -- the defence to dictate

how many postmortems must take place. I met a mother who could not

bury her child for a year. It is crazy to think those things happen

in our British criminal justice system. That is what I wanted

changed. The Ministry of Justice are telling us they will invest in

services to help families and will announce a review of victim support

arrangements. Is this good news? is a step in the right direction

but I want the criminal justice system to change. We have to have a

country where our justice system is as much about the rights of those

who do not break the law, of the victims, as of the perpetrators.

People want to spend money on victims, we need it, we need more,

but we also need a criminal justice system that is fair to have them,

to. Thank you very much, Louise. -- fair to them, too.

The centuries, Britain has had a powered train building tradition.

But today the future of the country's last train manufacturer

looks uncertain after it announced the loss of over 1,400 jobs. Justin

Rowlatt has been to Derby to visit the Bombardier factory to see if

this is the end of the line for the train making in destroy.

Steam trains, a golden age of travel -- train making industry.

Trains like this one are a mighty symbol of Britain's once-great

manufacturing industry, but as we all know British manufacturing is

not what it used to be. For over 150 years, Derby has been at the

centre of innovation in trains, building everything from steam

engines to InterCity locomotives. Just one factory now remains. This

magnificent locomotive was designed there. But now even that business

may have reached the end of the line. Frank Leeming became an

apprentice at the factory in 1948, aged 16. Today it is run by the

company Bombardier. What would he make of it now? For me, it is a

memory trip, an excellent one. you remember what the buildings are

for? I can, yes. This was over 74 acres, turning out 200 wagons and

100 carriages a week at one point. How did you feel coming back,

seeing that it is still operating after all these years? I feel

extremely proud and then a command and they think... I was a part of

this at one. -- and I look around and I think. Unfortunately

Bombardier lost out to Siemens of Germany on a major government

contract to build trains for London's Thameslink network. It

leaves the future of this unique British factory uncertain. It is

all very well saying it is cheaper to buy the trains from Germany, but

in terms of unemployment benefit that they will have to pay, it will

be more expensive. The government has no trees, they have to give the

contract to Siemens, did they? -- had no choice. You are supposed to

place the order way you get the best price, but other countries

make sure they get their own orders. Most trains for jam many are made

in the France, most trains for France are made in France. We don't

do that. The decision has hit people hard in Derby. Generations

of families have helped create trains that link a nation. Like his

father and son. How long have your family been involved here? I would

say over 100 years. What does this mean to you? It has been part of my

life for 30 years. How did it feel when you heard they did not have

the contract? It was a massive shock, disappointment. It is not

just Bombardier, it is our suppliers, the supply chain has a

knock-on effect into thousands of people. What would you say to David

Cameron if he was here? Give me a proper reasons why you would give

this contract to another country? How can they justify giving work of.

This is the last part of the industry, there is so much

uncertainty, it is frightening. Today, the country's transport

supremo admitted to The One Show that the way the contracts are

awarded may need to change. We have to look at the way things work in

France and Germany and make sure that we are not, in the way we do

these things, inadvertently damaging the interests of the

British supply chain. This plant has survived since the very dawn of

the Industrial Revolution, and is still turning out world-class

rolling-stock. What's more, this country needs to modernise its

railways. It seems crazy that it could close. And, if it does,

Britain will lose its last toehold We will keep you up-to-date about

the situation at the factory. will turn attention to the Proms

now. Last year, is this right, it was the most popular ever? So many

people saw it in the hall, so many people watched on television and

listened on radio. It was set up 100 years ago. Henry Wood set it up

for everybody to come along. There is music for everybody. It is

working. More accessible with multi-media and so many avenues you

can hear it on. You were there last year, that is why it was so

popular? Bless you. I slept with my sleeping bag in the hall! I love so

many different sorts of music. There are lots of things to see. I

am looking forward to an orchestra from Venezuela. They have had their

lives turned around by learning a musical instrument. They have an

amazing conductor. They play with such energy and passion. They have

smiles on their faces. They are back. We have the Horrible

Histories prom. That is the family event.

Those are free tickets. Tickets are free. They are available on Friday.

9am. There are all sorts of events. It is not just focused on the

Albert Hall. On the last night with the flag-waving, there is Proms in

the park, there is Bangor, Northern Ireland. There is Dundee, in

Scotland, Caerphilly, I do believe Miss Jones. I believe I will be

there!. And then Hyde Park, of course. For anybody who has not

seen it before, there are some bizarre things which go on, like

bishoping and Promming. A posh version. There we are, they

are Promming. EI see that. -- I can see that.

There are over 70 of them. They are there every day. They can bishop

like that. Two months of it. They start on July 15th.

They go up to September 10th. If you don't manage to make a live

event you can watch andlyen from the comfort of your own home, with

a glass of wine possibly. As well as being a nation of music lovers,

we are a land of pet lovers. Not so long ago we were treating

shockingly. Sergeant has the story of how we learnt to protect -- John

Sergeant has the story of how we learnt to protect our animal

friends. In the past animals were treated more harshly than they are

today. Horsepower was horsepower. We worked them hard, often with

little thought for their welfare. 100 years ago there was a campaign

for change, which affected every part of society. Most prominent was

the issue of rights for women. New laws were already improving

conditions for men, children and animals. Fundamental questions were

being asked. Was it right to pluck feathers from live birds, simply to

adore lady's hats? Animal laws had existed as far back

as 1865. Then it was illegal to tie a plough to a cow's tail, or to

pull the wool off sheep instead of sheering them. In 1911, the

protection of animals Act, aimed at preventing cruelty to all animals.

The act covered all animals under human care. It said, you are not

allowed to beat, cruelly treat or overload an animal. That was to get

away from the fact these animals were not just things for you to

possess and use, but also to treat well. Dogfighting was a huge issue

in those days. What the Protection of Animals Act did, which was

important, is it prohibited people going along to see a dogfight. If

you were watching it, then you could be convicted under the act. A

few years before the act was past, the fate of a small single brown

dog enraged animal campaigners. The so-called "brown dog affair"

involved a surkpwon. He was accused of -- surgeon. He was accused of

dissecting the animal while it was conscious in front of 60 medical

students. He was eventually let off. Public feeling was so high that

there were riots in the streets. Vivisection was not covered in the

act. It was something which really roused people and made them angry

about animals and how they were treated. The idea that man has the

right to do what he wants with his animals is a very old one. As the

19th century went on, there were books like Black Beauty. There were

increasing numbers of people who were owning animals as pets and so

on, and who felt if you own an animal, you are responsible for it

and you must not let it be hurt. How far have we come? Over the past

100 years, the law has banned battery cages, cosmetic testing on

animals, fur farming, fox-hunting and hare koorsing.

-- coursing. There are 600 registered animal charities in

Britain. The RSPCA alone receives around �100 million a year.

We are giving more, but are we caring more?

If you look at the number of prosecutions we took in 1911,

something like 7,000. Last year we prosecuted just over 1,000 people.

If you use that as a matter, yes we are less cruel. It is unacceptable

to be cruel to animals. There is work to be done. People are buying

cats, dogs and rabbits without thinking about their needs or how

they will look after them. The act of 1911 was a big step

forward. Our attitudes to animals is constantly changing. In 100

years time, who knows how we will treat moggie and his friends!

That's an interesting point. He looks good as a farmer, doesn't he,

John! We'll get him on Countryfile. Mike

Dilger is here with animal behaviourit. She is here with her

dog. There was an interesting report in the papers about the fact

that dog owners might be slightly..: Sorry I have lost what

I am talking about, dogs staying at home, owners leave, they think they

are happy when they are not. think I know what you mean! 1.5

million dogs could be suffering from home-alone syndrome or

separation anxiety. This is based on research. They took 20 dog

owners, put cameras all over the house. These owners thought their

dogs were fine on their own. They looked back at the footage, they

saw pacing, whining, panting. All the hallmarks of an animal under

stress. For zoology, it was said it is a real, on-going crisis for dogs.

Something to think about. Olly here suffered from separation anxiety,

didn't he? He was abandoned, found on the streets and picked up by the

dog warden in Cardiff. A friend of mine gave him a home. He has a

problem with being left when she was working during the day time.

She did the right thing and found him a home with me because I am at

home all the time. There are lots of things you can do for dogs.

need the right person for the right dog. If you don't like barking get

a Greyhound, which is fairly quiet. If you have to leave the dog on its

own, often and little. Give it a toy, with food all jammed inside.

They will play with that while you are not around. If you are out a

lot of the time you have to think, am I the right person for a dog? Go

to a dog charity, there are plentys of opportunities to walk dogs.

is the second day of your holiday watch series. Did you buy that

shirt on the Scilly Isles? No, it is a bit soon, it has raspberries

all over it. Day two, and the Collins family are learning about

the wildlife that live in the nooks and crannies of the beach.

The nutrient-rich waters of the Isles of Scilly contain creatures

which can only be found in the extreme south-west. One of the best

times to see some of them is when the tide goes out. So, I have

brought the Collins family rock- pooling.

Oh, look! This is quite an unusual crab, a

Montegue's crab. This is a female. These are all her Eiggs. How many

are there? -- all her eggs. many are there?

Tens of thousands. Well done for spotting her. Shall we put her

back? Yeah. Really important to put everything back where you find them.

There are more common finds with a fish that is literally a fish out

of water. This little chap is a rock gooby.

He is slimey. He can survive out of water for a long time. Up to 12

hours between the tide. When the water goes out, he is left high and

dry. He is like a snake. Sharp-eyed Michelle has found a creature which

can be hard to find. This is a worm pipe fish. It is

related to a sea horse. It has that snouty nose. Look at his face.

Isn't he sweet! The male sea horses carry eggs. See that. The female

lays the eggs. She sticks them to the belly of the male. Can I hold

him? Oh, gosh! Here we go. Like an eel. On land there are few native

mammals. These guys came over in 2008. However, there's one species

which is you -- unique to the islands. On the islands nearly

every house and garden has a shrew. We need a special license to handle

one. They are abundant. As they need to feed constantly a few worms

in our trap should tempt them in... If we're lucky. Best of luck!

Within the hour, we are. Guys, look at what I have caught in

the trap. Have a look, your first shrew. You can tell it's not a

mouse. It has that incredibly long pointed nose, which is constantly

twishing. Their eyesight -- twitching. Their eyesight is not

all that good. Have you ever seen a shrew before? Never. It's my first

time. Our cats bring all sorts of wildlife into the house. When they

bring shrews in they don't look like this. Their noses are longer.

This has an evenly tapered nose. They are bigger than the pygmy

shrew. The colour of the fur is different as well. That's a new

mammal for me in Britain. It is a member of the lesser white toothed

shrew family. No-one knows when they arrived on the islands. It is

thought they might have been stowaways on boats, arrive from the

Channel Islands or France. Shall we let him go? I think so.

Tomorrow, we visit the island of St Agnes, to discover what is making

ghostly sound from holes in the ground.

Give me five! And their happy holiday stories

continue tomorrow. Thank you for joining us.