Alex Jones and Matt Baker are joined by Susan Sarandon to talk about the life of Hedy Lamarr, while home secretary Amber Rudd discusses the government's Domestic Abuse Bill.
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Hello and welcome to The One Show
with Alex Jones.
And Matt Baker. Do
were joined a Hollywood superstar
who for almost 50 years has been
showing us she is not a woman to be
Let's have a little
talk. What do you think? Darling!
Where do you get off behaving like
that with women?
that with women? Do you have a
problem with this?
Susan Sarandon! Wow. You have
starred in over 80 movies.
a lot of hair acting.
All sorts was
I learned that from Cher.
She figures out her hair first and
goes for the character after. You
think I'm kidding.
I can believe
that of Cher. She has a lot of hair
in a lots of films.
But is it right
that all this acting was never
really on the cards for you and you
ended up acting because you turned
up at a boyfriend's audition?
Husband. I married him in my senior
year of college. Chris Sarandon went
on to do dog day afternoon and get
an academy award nomination. He
still acts. He needed someone to
read a scene, and I did. It was for
an agent, not a part. And she said,
why don't you come back too, and I
came back. Then I kept working,
which seemed hilarious, because I
had never studied acting. It just
shows you don't have to know
anything. You just have to figure
out how to survive, but the acting
part is not complicated.
you focusing on?
Just getting out of
New Jersey. I wanted to go to
college. I was very interested in
literature and theatre. But the
school that I went to was more about
an academic approach. And I was
working my way through, so I had
tonnes of jobs. I was cutting hair,
ironing, cumin apartments. There are
still people who owe me money.
loved you before, but I found out
today that you came to the UK in
2006 to discover whether or not you
had Welsh roots in Tondu, near
Bridgend. I was like, what? That is
a match made in heaven.
So how Welsh
are you? Well, it's on my dad's side
and I am Welsh, thank God, because
they spent all that money to bring
me in and all my siblings came with
me, which is eight siblings. I am
the eldest of nine. They don't want
to tell you too much because they
are hoping you will cry and be
emotional. So they said, do you know
who Dylan Thomas is? I said, oh, my
God, yes, I do! And they said, no.
Your great-uncle drank with him, or
That's all right, that's
And I had already
spent some Christmases in Swansea,
actually. And then Catherine
Zeta-Jones was in Feud, and she is
Welsh. And I had a boyfriend who
went to high school with her.
Well, for your
latest project, you talked about
your love of literature and now it
is very much documentaries. You have
looked into the secret life of this
remarkable lady. It is the 1940s
actress Hedy Lamarr. We will be
finding out more about her and her
story in a little while.
beautiful. They said she was the
most beautiful woman in the world.
Snow-white was apparently based on
her. Now, the Home Secretary, Amber
Rudd, says she wants to change the
way we as a country think about
domestic abuse. The statistics are
striking. Nearly 2 million people a
year are subjected to violence and
intimidation in their homes. 100
calls are made every hour to the
police and two women are killed
every week in England and Wales.
Home Secretary is with us tonight
and we will be asking her what the
government will be doing to reduce
those numbers. First, Anita has been
to see a radical new project in
OK, guys, we are going to be looking
at emotional abuse.
Everyone in this
room has their own tale to tell
about domestic violence and abuse.
Don't want to put up with it no
more. You go through it all,
violence, anxiety, depression.
People can only take so much. Treats
on the way you want to be treated.
None of them are the victims.
you were swearing and calling her
bad names, you thought that was OK?
This session is part of a pilot
project being run by Northumbria
Police. It's been designed to
identify abusers or those at risk of
abuse in who it is believed will
respond positively to therapy. The
scheme has been championed by police
and crime commission Dame Vera
Baird. What is the purpose of this
People go into prison
and come out again and carry on
behaving the way they did. These
courses can bring change.
point do you identify the
perpetrator and say, you are going
to have this course?
We have to find
the perpetrator. It comes from a
number of sources. Once it is clear
that somebody has made a valid
referral, the police will say, you
have been picked out as a domestic
abuse perpetrator. Will you go on
this course? Does it mean that
because you have witnessed domestic
abuse of a child, you will go on to
If you have seen it, you
think it is normal.
But it is still
a choice you make.
From May, tougher
sentencing guidelines will mean
people convicted of domestic abuse
in England and Wales are more likely
to go to prison. These participants
are working hard to ensure that
doesn't happen to them.
guys who were here a few weeks ago,
we looked at the effect that abuse
has on our partners. It's massive.
have just stepped out of the session
and it's really powerful stuff.
I first came here, I wasn't thinking
I should be here. But after this
session, I think I should.
being made to think about their
actions and the consequences, and
join the dots together.
But who is
responsible for your behaviour?
can sessions like this really work?
I have arranged to meet a man who
says they can. He has a history of
violence against his wife, the most
recent of which led him to become
involved in the project.
I got very
abusive and I got the point of
physically pushing her against the
wall. She you need help. -- she
said, you need help.
What did the
course teach you?
They teach you
these things called time-outs. It is
a controlling mechanism. You can do
role-playing, which shows you the
way it escalates.
Do you think it
has taught you to control your rage?
So you can stop yourself before
That is what the
And you couldn't do
Never had the skill.
Are you a reformed man?
Yes. I do
have the occasional argument with my
wife, but it doesn't escalate. That
is the difference.
The Home Office
is the perpetrator project has
proved so successful that it has
invested £1 million to roll it out
to neighbouring forces. But what do
the victims themselves think about
this kind of approach? Melanie spent
ten years in a physically and
relationship. We asked her to listen
to some of the session.
to some of the session.
identified using abusive behaviour
in their assessment?
I don't know
whether it is an attitude of, I've
got my backside on the seat, I am
here. I don't know if this is going
to be a positive outcome.
respected or feared?
I think it is
brave for perpetrators to come
themselves. But I don't think this
programme has convinced me any
different of my thought that it
won't work. It is a waste of money,
waste of resources. The money should
be focused on victims and their
Dame Vera Bird is keen to
reassure victims like Melanie.
not an either/or, that is critical.
We continue to spend money on
victims, and that is where the
fundamental money must go. But we
will just be mopping up the mess
made by these perpetrators,
supporting people in that way, if we
don't also tackle it.
For the men
attending the session, there is
still a long road ahead.
What is at
the top of the list?
that be mindful of listening is
really important in a relationship.
The Home Secretary Amber Rudd joins
us now. So today you have launched
this Domestic Abuse Bill. It is a 12
week consultation period where you
will be listing to the general
public. You heard what Melanie, a
victim, said about her view on the
counselling perpetrators. What is
your reaction to what she said?
focus is always going to be on the
victims. This consultation shows
that. We are introducing measures
and consulting on them to make sure
that victims get more support at
every stage. We are also identifying
additional victims and encourage
them to come forward. But what we
saw here was a new programme to stop
domestic abuse. With perpetrators,
you see a lot of repeat activity.
What we have seen from this
initiative, which was launched in
2015, is a 60% reduction in the
amount of people repeat offending.
It is a big change. We have also
announced that we will be rolling it
out to five other police forces with
an additional 7 million. So it is a
big approach in terms of reducing
the amount of domestic abuse as well
as supporting victims.
watched that film, Susan, do you
think Melanie is right?
understand Melanie after living for
ten years in an abusive situation,
why she would be reluctant to trust
that there can be change. But I
think to break up families and not
give a shot to someone to learn to
reprogram themselves... It does come
from either a problem with anger
management or growing up in an
atmosphere where this seems normal.
Also, in the United States, there
are programmes in high school or
younger for girls to identify that
this is abusive behaviour, because
it starts really young. So young
girls can see that this isn't normal
for them to be shoved around either.
Very often, "He cares about me so
much that he is jealous and
violent", whatever, that association
is not healthy, so to make that
clear early on is also effective.
it if you were part of this
consultation, what would you be
saying to our Home Secretary that
could work in helping to reduce
It is totally on the right
track. It's not an either/or
situation, as she says. You have to
give families a shot, give these
guys a shot to keep families
together and to not let it go on
forever. But I can understand that
if you have been living this way for
a long time, it's hard to believe
that something would change.
with this point about learned
behaviour. We saw that from some of
the comments from the men. They
might have seen it in their
families. So if we can stop that
cycle, then the children are less
likely to think it is normal
behaviour. They need to learn it in
school as well.
And it's not just
about changing the law, it might be
about the public be more forthcoming
and reporting abuse if they see or
Exactly, is about women
having the confidence to come out
and talk about it, taking away the
shame, acknowledging that so much of
it takes place, and for them to be
confident that when they do report
it, action will be taken. We have
introduced new training for police
so that when it is reported, they
are sensitive about knowing how to
approach it. I was at a police
station the other day and the police
described to me how they had been
called into a house for something
else entirely and they're one of
them spotted a post it on the fridge
which said, asked the master before
opening. And he started asking
questions, and all this coercive and
controlling behaviour came out and
action was taken. So it is being
aware and looking for the signs.
are here on The One Show because you
want the public to get involved. So
how can they help?
Talk to your
friends. Unfortunately, everybody
will know somebody or themselves,
who is having some sort of
experience of that. They should not
put up with it. Find out what other
people are doing and make sure that
if they need help, they get it.
you have been affected by domestic
abuse or you want to get involved
with the consultation and give your
opinions, there is more information
on our website.
Before you go, we
can't have you here and not ask
about the current poison situation
with Sergei Skripal and his
daughter. And their policeman was
also involved. We are hearing the 21
people are being treated.
the current situation? This was a
dreadful event and it has been
unravelling over four days. I have
spoken to the head of
counterterrorism police, who gave me
the update. You're right, 21 people
have sought medical advice. Out of
that, two of them, the targets, are
still seriously ill. I am pleased to
say the policeman is now stable. But
this is a live criminal
investigation. It is a very serious
matter, and attempted murder, and we
will give the police space to do
their investigation so that they can
reach conclusions which we can
Susan's latest project is one she
has produced, Bombshell: The Hedy
Lamarr Story. It is about the 1940s
Yes, she was known as the
world's most beautiful woman but
world's most beautiful woman but
there was more to her than that.
It was her hobby. She had a complete
table said up in her house. Howard
Hughes gave her a set of equipment.
Howard Hughes wanted to build the
fastest planes in the world so he
could send them -- sell them to the
What a brilliant story to have on
International women's's day. You
produced the documentary, Susan, and
Alexander directed it. How did you
come together to work on this
We have a mutual friend in
her brother. Who also produced. And
has been a friend of mine. We were
forming a documentary film company.
And Alex was interested in this.
There was a book. I met with the guy
who had of the book, that led to the
next thing. Luckily all my children
have left home.
have left home. And we moved a
couple of extra tables in and
started to use my apartment.
you do all of this there is an
enormous amount of research that
goes into this, Alex. Was there a
key moment when you thought, this is
on, let's do this?
There was a
moment when I thought, we have a
problem. At the beginning we didn't
have her voice. I wanted to do this
story but I was reluctant to plunge
ahead without Heddy's on voice. She
had died having become a recluse and
not really wanting to tell the world
her story. Everything that was
presented to me at the beginning of
the books about her life was
somewhat questionable. Scientists
were also saying to me, we want this
to be true at how likely is it
Yeah. Then some tapes came
Yeah, the miracle of my
Your children will not like
And my two boys! The third
miracle of my life was that moment
with the tapes. We had been working
on the film six months when we
finally found them. We found them
just by systematically calling every
person alive that could possibly
have them. We finally got down to a
reporter for Forbes magazine, and he
had talked to her in 1990. And I
contacted him he called me back and
said, "I have been waiting 25 years
for you to call me." Chill start my
Then you could go forward
because you had the proof. She
changed the shape of aeroplane
wings. It was communication systems
that was the big thing. She formed
the basis for what we still used
Your cellphone, everything.
But the Navy just ignored her. Her
mum was in Europe. She escaped, she
was Jewish, her mum was still in
Europe. She was trying to get her
mother over. She had an emotional
reason to find out how to get people
safely over. She came over with this
jamming, finding alternating
signals, currents what do you call
them? It was no longer possible to
jam. But they didn't use it. She
ended up dying without any money,
and six husbands later. Our whole
life is quite dramatic.
before she became an actress.
ran off and started at 16 and went
to a film studio and then did a
controversial film called ecstasy.
Then she married at 19 and arms
dealer who was working with Hitler.
Then realised eventually that maybe
she wasn't in the safest place. And
hired a maid that look like her.
Then knocked her out in her bed and
pedalled way to freedom. It just
gets better and better. By this time
she was kind of known because of
this risk a film. She was almost
signed to something in England by
Louis Payne Meara. She managed to
get on the same boat he was going on
to America. Summer by the end of
that journey she had convinced him
she was worth more money. And then
she was in Hollywood. She had a lot
of really wonderful roles. And she
was gorgeous. She learned English.
She changed her name. I don't want
to give the whole thing away there
must be a film on this. There have
been people trying to make it into a
film. I think it is more of a TV
series because there is so much
going on. Then you have the whole
thing of ages in Hollywood, which I
can relate to.
Is it right that her
daughter's godmother was Bette
Davis? De Bruyne that is right. --
That is right.
That is another
connection with you. You played
Bette Davis in Feud. Is that
something that still happens in
Maybe in music. Maybe
these rock and roll girls. You hear
about some of them writing bad
lyrics about each other. But I think
long ago, it's not true. The power
has shifted. Aligning yourself with
men and seeing them as your
competition, therefore enemy, is no
longer really relevant. My
experience has been that everybody
realises and helps each other. Maybe
you are disappointed somebody else
got a part you wish you had had, but
being envious is not the same as
trying to take somebody out.
still feel competitive in the music
-- movie industry?
with myself. By the time you've been
in the business for more than 50
years, things either come to you or
you don't. I found dead man walking,
the book, and I developed that. I
going to get ahead of Meryl Streep
if there is something coming up?
Probably not. I have more than
enough challenges with the way my
life is going, so I'm cool with it.
But I think there is enough work for
everybody, and there are so many
more women now developing projects.
They are female centric. All
different kinds of women. That is
what we need. We need more diverse,
more female centric stories.
brilliant day to have you both on
the sofa. Thank you very much. We
will say goodbye now as you have to
go to the BFI to see a screening of
Thank you for your
APPLAUSE. It opens tomorrow in
Whilst Hedy Lamarr laid the
foundations for GPS, Wi-Fi and
Bluetooth, we focus on an inventor
who solved a British problem.
all to do with tea, of course.
I'm Dr John C. Taylor. You may not
know my name but he will definitely
have used one of my inventions. The
switch that turns of a kettle when
it boils. With the rise in the
number of electric kettles in the
1960s, I saw an opportunity to
invent a control that did just that.
And this is it. The buyer metallic
snap action blade. Heat up the
medal. Jump into the air. Once the
blade cools down, it cools -- jumps
into the air. Mr! So the click their
provides the motion and the force
that switches of the cattle. And
over 5 billion of these blades have
been sold worldwide. I have lived
and worked for most of my life here
in the Isle of Man. And I would like
to tell you a few things that have
helped to make me the inventor that
I am today. My father was Eric
Taylor. He was also an inventor. So
I take after him. He invented all
the flying suits for the bomber
crews during the war. And the
electrically heated suits kept them
alive in the cold of flying at
30,000 feet. Inspired by my father,
I began my inventing career at the
tender age of nine. But at 13, when
my parents sent me to college on the
Isle of Man, they had the task of
reinventing me. I took the entrance
exam here. The principal, Mr Wilson,
reported to my parents when we had
the interview that I was practically
illiterate. He said, "But you have
done a good paper in maths and you
did a good science paper, I'm sure
we can find something good in you.
For" it turned out I had dyslexia. I
used it to my advantage when I
realised I could think differently
to others. With my gift for maths
and physics I was granted a place at
Corpus Christi College in Cambridge
to study natural sciences. Setting
me up for my inventing career. After
Cambridge I joined my father's
company, where I had the freedom to
invent. It has not all been about
kettles. I have over 200 inventions.
My most unique one is the Corpus
Christi clerk, unveiled in 2008 by
Professor Stephen Hawking. However,
the invention I perhaps most proud
of is the place I call home. I would
like you -- to welcome you to my
house. I thought it would be fun to
do something completely different,
which nobody had ever done before,
and that is to have an atrium in the
middle of the house which is
elliptical. I wanted the floor to
look like a dearly with a curved
top. Yes, the centrepiece is my bio
metallic plate. There is a wonderful
echo here. OK, time to get on with
my life lecturer at University
College, Isle of Man. I hope I have
invented a useful speech.
A scientific education teaches you
that if you find new information,
you change your theory and you start
again. But I think that is the wrong
way to do it in practicalities. If
the first thing you thought of was
an invention, then if you can change
it around, which stops it working,
you've got a really good invention.
You have to turn it to an advantage
and make it into a success. My motto
is, think the unthinkable.
is, think the unthinkable. My mother
was a Latin teacher. It is very
important to have fun. Life goes by
very, very quickly. And here I am,
81, still having fun. Thank you all
That is 30 seconds before we can put
the kettle on. Your nominations have
been pouring in all week for our NHS
patients award, which we launched on
Monday with the help of the
still time to nominate anybody
working in the NHS who you want to
thank for going the extra mile when
you needed them.
Yes, head to our
website for all of the details of
how to nominate.
Thanks to all our
guests for joining us. I'm back
tomorrow with Michael Ball and
wreckage of days. Have a lovely
Alex Jones and Matt Baker are joined by Susan Sarandon to talk about the amazing life of Hedy Lamarr, while home secretary Amber Rudd discusses the government's Domestic Abuse Bill.