08/03/2018 The One Show

Hello and welcome to The One Show

with Alex Jones.

And Matt Baker. Do

were joined a Hollywood superstar

who for almost 50 years has been

showing us she is not a woman to be

messed with.

messed with.

Let's have a little

talk. What do you think? Darling!

Where do you get off behaving like

that with women?

that with women? Do you have a

problem with this?

Please welcome

Susan Sarandon!

Susan Sarandon! Wow. You have

starred in over 80 movies.

That was

a lot of hair acting.

All sorts was

going on.

I learned that from Cher.

She figures out her hair first and

goes for the character after. You

think I'm kidding.

I can believe

that of Cher. She has a lot of hair

in a lots of films.

But is it right

that all this acting was never

really on the cards for you and you

ended up acting because you turned

up at a boyfriend's audition?

Husband. I married him in my senior

year of college. Chris Sarandon went

on to do dog day afternoon and get

an academy award nomination. He

still acts. He needed someone to

read a scene, and I did. It was for

an agent, not a part. And she said,

why don't you come back too, and I

came back. Then I kept working,

which seemed hilarious, because I

had never studied acting. It just

shows you don't have to know

anything. You just have to figure

out how to survive, but the acting

part is not complicated.

What were

you focusing on?

Just getting out of

New Jersey. I wanted to go to

college. I was very interested in

literature and theatre. But the

school that I went to was more about

an academic approach. And I was

working my way through, so I had

tonnes of jobs. I was cutting hair,

ironing, cumin apartments. There are

still people who owe me money.

I

loved you before, but I found out

today that you came to the UK in

2006 to discover whether or not you

had Welsh roots in Tondu, near

Bridgend. I was like, what? That is

a match made in heaven.

So how Welsh

are you? Well, it's on my dad's side

and I am Welsh, thank God, because

they spent all that money to bring

me in and all my siblings came with

me, which is eight siblings. I am

the eldest of nine. They don't want

to tell you too much because they

are hoping you will cry and be

emotional. So they said, do you know

who Dylan Thomas is? I said, oh, my

God, yes, I do! And they said, no.

Your great-uncle drank with him, or

something.

That's all right, that's

a connection.

And I had already

spent some Christmases in Swansea,

actually. And then Catherine

Zeta-Jones was in Feud, and she is

Welsh. And I had a boyfriend who

went to high school with her.

We are

basically related.

basically related.

Well, for your

latest project, you talked about

your love of literature and now it

is very much documentaries. You have

looked into the secret life of this

remarkable lady. It is the 1940s

actress Hedy Lamarr. We will be

finding out more about her and her

story in a little while.

She's so

beautiful. They said she was the

most beautiful woman in the world.

Snow-white was apparently based on

her. Now, the Home Secretary, Amber

Rudd, says she wants to change the

way we as a country think about

domestic abuse. The statistics are

striking. Nearly 2 million people a

year are subjected to violence and

intimidation in their homes. 100

calls are made every hour to the

police and two women are killed

every week in England and Wales.

The

Home Secretary is with us tonight

and we will be asking her what the

government will be doing to reduce

those numbers. First, Anita has been

to see a radical new project in

action.

OK, guys, we are going to be looking

at emotional abuse.

Everyone in this

room has their own tale to tell

about domestic violence and abuse.

Don't want to put up with it no

more. You go through it all,

violence, anxiety, depression.

People can only take so much. Treats

on the way you want to be treated.

None of them are the victims.

When

you were swearing and calling her

bad names, you thought that was OK?

This session is part of a pilot

project being run by Northumbria

Police. It's been designed to

identify abusers or those at risk of

abuse in who it is believed will

respond positively to therapy. The

scheme has been championed by police

and crime commission Dame Vera

Baird. What is the purpose of this

initiative?

People go into prison

and come out again and carry on

behaving the way they did. These

courses can bring change.

At what

point do you identify the

perpetrator and say, you are going

to have this course?

We have to find

the perpetrator. It comes from a

number of sources. Once it is clear

that somebody has made a valid

referral, the police will say, you

have been picked out as a domestic

abuse perpetrator. Will you go on

this course? Does it mean that

because you have witnessed domestic

abuse of a child, you will go on to

do that?

If you have seen it, you

think it is normal.

But it is still

a choice you make.

From May, tougher

sentencing guidelines will mean

people convicted of domestic abuse

in England and Wales are more likely

to go to prison. These participants

are working hard to ensure that

doesn't happen to them.

For those

guys who were here a few weeks ago,

we looked at the effect that abuse

has on our partners. It's massive.

I

have just stepped out of the session

and it's really powerful stuff.

When

I first came here, I wasn't thinking

I should be here. But after this

session, I think I should.

They are

being made to think about their

actions and the consequences, and

join the dots together.

But who is

responsible for your behaviour?

But

can sessions like this really work?

I have arranged to meet a man who

says they can. He has a history of

violence against his wife, the most

recent of which led him to become

involved in the project.

I got very

abusive and I got the point of

physically pushing her against the

wall. She you need help. -- she

said, you need help.

What did the

course teach you?

They teach you

these things called time-outs. It is

a controlling mechanism. You can do

role-playing, which shows you the

way it escalates.

Do you think it

has taught you to control your rage?

Yes.

So you can stop yourself before

it escalates?

That is what the

intention is.

And you couldn't do

that before?

Never had the skill.

Are you a reformed man?

Yes. I do

have the occasional argument with my

wife, but it doesn't escalate. That

is the difference.

The Home Office

is the perpetrator project has

proved so successful that it has

invested £1 million to roll it out

to neighbouring forces. But what do

the victims themselves think about

this kind of approach? Melanie spent

ten years in a physically and

psychologically abusive

relationship. We asked her to listen

to some of the session.

to some of the session.

Who

identified using abusive behaviour

in their assessment?

Threatening

behaviour, yeah.

I don't know

whether it is an attitude of, I've

got my backside on the seat, I am

here. I don't know if this is going

to be a positive outcome.

Are you

respected or feared?

I think it is

brave for

brave for perpetrators to come

themselves. But I don't think this

programme has convinced me any

different of my thought that it

won't work. It is a waste of money,

waste of resources. The money should

be focused on victims and their

children.

Dame Vera Bird is keen to

reassure victims like Melanie.

It's

not an either/or, that is critical.

We continue to spend money on

victims, and that is where the

fundamental money must go. But we

will just be mopping up the mess

made by these perpetrators,

supporting people in that way, if we

don't also tackle it.

For the men

attending the session, there is

still a long road ahead.

What is at

the top of the list?

Respect.

So

that be mindful of listening is

really important in a relationship.

The Home Secretary Amber Rudd joins

us now. So today you have launched

this Domestic Abuse Bill. It is a 12

week consultation period where you

will be listing to the general

public. You heard what Melanie, a

victim, said about her view on the

counselling perpetrators. What is

your reaction to what she said?

Our

focus is always going to be on the

victims. This consultation shows

that. We are introducing measures

and consulting on them to make sure

that victims get more support at

every stage. We are also identifying

additional victims and encourage

them to come forward. But what we

saw here was a new programme to stop

domestic abuse. With perpetrators,

you see a lot of repeat activity.

What we have seen from this

initiative, which was launched in

2015, is a 60% reduction in the

amount of people repeat offending.

It is a big change. We have also

announced that we will be rolling it

out to five other police forces with

an additional 7 million. So it is a

big approach in terms of reducing

the amount of domestic abuse as well

as supporting victims.

Having

watched that film, Susan, do you

think Melanie is right?

I can

understand Melanie after living for

ten years in an abusive situation,

why she would be reluctant to trust

that there can be change. But I

think to break up families and not

give a shot to someone to learn to

reprogram themselves... It does come

from either a problem with anger

management or growing up in an

atmosphere where this seems normal.

Also, in the United States, there

are programmes in high school or

younger for girls to identify that

this is abusive behaviour, because

it starts really young. So young

girls can see that this isn't normal

for them to be shoved around either.

Very often, "He cares about me so

much that he is jealous and

violent", whatever, that association

is not healthy, so to make that

clear early on is also effective.

So

it if you were part of this

consultation, what would you be

saying to our Home Secretary that

could work in helping to reduce

violence?

It is totally on the right

track. It's not an either/or

situation, as she says. You have to

give families a shot, give these

guys a shot to keep families

together and to not let it go on

forever. But I can understand that

if you have been living this way for

a long time, it's hard to believe

that something would change.

I agree

with this point about learned

behaviour. We saw that from some of

the comments from the men. They

might have seen it in their

families. So if we can stop that

cycle, then the children are less

likely to think it is normal

behaviour. They need to learn it in

school as well.

And it's not just

about changing the law, it might be

about the public be more forthcoming

and reporting abuse if they see or

hear it.

Exactly, is about women

having the confidence to come out

and talk about it, taking away the

shame, acknowledging that so much of

it takes place, and for them to be

confident that when they do report

it, action will be taken. We have

introduced new training for police

so that when it is reported, they

are sensitive about knowing how to

approach it. I was at a police

station the other day and the police

described to me how they had been

called into a house for something

else entirely and they're one of

them spotted a post it on the fridge

which said, asked the master before

opening. And he started asking

questions, and all this coercive and

controlling behaviour came out and

action was taken. So it is being

aware and looking for the signs.

You

are here on The One Show because you

want the public to get involved. So

how can they help?

Talk to your

friends. Unfortunately, everybody

will know somebody or themselves,

who is having some sort of

experience of that. They should not

put up with it. Find out what other

people are doing and make sure that

if they need help, they get it.

If

you have been affected by domestic

abuse or you want to get involved

with the consultation and give your

opinions, there is more information

on our website.

Before you go, we

can't have you here and not ask

about the current poison situation

with Sergei Skripal and his

daughter. And their policeman was

also involved. We are hearing the 21

people are being treated.

What is

the current situation? This was a

dreadful event and it has been

unravelling over four days. I have

spoken to the head of

counterterrorism police, who gave me

the update. You're right, 21 people

have sought medical advice. Out of

that, two of them, the targets, are

still seriously ill. I am pleased to

say the policeman is now stable. But

this is a live criminal

investigation. It is a very serious

matter, and attempted murder, and we

will give the police space to do

their investigation so that they can

reach conclusions which we can

follow up.

Susan's latest project is one she

has produced, Bombshell: The Hedy

Lamarr Story. It is about the 1940s

film star.

Yes, she was known as the

world's most beautiful woman but

there

world's most beautiful woman but

there was more to her than that.

It was her hobby. She had a complete

table said up in her house. Howard

Hughes gave her a set of equipment.

Howard Hughes wanted to build the

fastest planes in the world so he

could send them -- sell them to the

airports.

What a brilliant story to have on

International women's's day. You

produced the documentary, Susan, and

Alexander directed it. How did you

come together to work on this

project?

We have a mutual friend in

her brother. Who also produced. And

has been a friend of mine. We were

forming a documentary film company.

And Alex was interested in this.

There was a book. I met with the guy

who had of the book, that led to the

next thing. Luckily all my children

have left home.

have left home. And we moved a

couple of extra tables in and

started to use my apartment.

When

you do all of this there is an

enormous amount of research that

goes into this, Alex. Was there a

key moment when you thought, this is

on, let's do this?

There was a

moment when I thought, we have a

problem. At the beginning we didn't

have her voice. I wanted to do this

story but I was reluctant to plunge

ahead without Heddy's on voice. She

had died having become a recluse and

not really wanting to tell the world

her story. Everything that was

presented to me at the beginning of

the books about her life was

somewhat questionable. Scientists

were also saying to me, we want this

to be true at how likely is it

really?

Yeah. Then some tapes came

into play.

Yeah, the miracle of my

life.

Your children will not like

that!

And my two boys! The third

miracle of my life was that moment

with the tapes. We had been working

on the film six months when we

finally found them. We found them

just by systematically calling every

person alive that could possibly

have them. We finally got down to a

reporter for Forbes magazine, and he

had talked to her in 1990. And I

contacted him he called me back and

said, "I have been waiting 25 years

for you to call me." Chill start my

arms.

Then you could go forward

because you had the proof. She

changed the shape of aeroplane

wings. It was communication systems

that was the big thing. She formed

the basis for what we still used

today?

Your cellphone, everything.

But the Navy just ignored her. Her

mum was in Europe. She escaped, she

was Jewish, her mum was still in

Europe. She was trying to get her

mother over. She had an emotional

reason to find out how to get people

safely over. She came over with this

jamming, finding alternating

signals, currents what do you call

them? It was no longer possible to

jam. But they didn't use it. She

ended up dying without any money,

and six husbands later. Our whole

life is quite dramatic.

This was

before she became an actress.

She

ran off and started at 16 and went

to a film studio and then did a

controversial film called ecstasy.

Then she married at 19 and arms

dealer who was working with Hitler.

Then realised eventually that maybe

she wasn't in the safest place. And

hired a maid that look like her.

Then knocked her out in her bed and

pedalled way to freedom. It just

gets better and better. By this time

she was kind of known because of

this risk a film. She was almost

signed to something in England by

Louis Payne Meara. She managed to

get on the same boat he was going on

to America. Summer by the end of

that journey she had convinced him

she was worth more money. And then

she was in Hollywood. She had a lot

of really wonderful roles. And she

was gorgeous. She learned English.

She changed her name. I don't want

to give the whole thing away there

must be a film on this. There have

been people trying to make it into a

film. I think it is more of a TV

series because there is so much

going on. Then you have the whole

thing of ages in Hollywood, which I

can relate to.

Is it right that her

daughter's godmother was Bette

Davis? De Bruyne that is right. --

That is right.

That is another

connection with you. You played

Bette Davis in Feud. Is that

something that still happens in

Hollywood?

Hollywood?

Maybe in music. Maybe

these rock and roll girls. You hear

about some of them writing bad

lyrics about each other. But I think

long ago, it's not true. The power

has shifted. Aligning yourself with

men and seeing them as your

competition, therefore enemy, is no

longer really relevant. My

experience has been that everybody

realises and helps each other. Maybe

you are disappointed somebody else

got a part you wish you had had, but

being envious is not the same as

trying to take somebody out.

Do you

still feel competitive in the music

-- movie industry?

I'm competitive

with myself. By the time you've been

in the business for more than 50

years, things either come to you or

you don't. I found dead man walking,

the book, and I developed that. I

going to get ahead of Meryl Streep

if there is something coming up?

Probably not. I have more than

enough challenges with the way my

life is going, so I'm cool with it.

But I think there is enough work for

everybody, and there are so many

more women now developing projects.

They are female centric. All

different kinds of women. That is

what we need. We need more diverse,

more female centric stories.

What a

brilliant day to have you both on

the sofa. Thank you very much. We

will say goodbye now as you have to

go to the BFI to see a screening of

your project.

Thank you for your

company.

Thank you.

APPLAUSE. It opens tomorrow in

cinemas.

Whilst Hedy Lamarr laid the

foundations for GPS, Wi-Fi and

Bluetooth, we focus on an inventor

who solved a British problem.

It is

all to do with tea, of course.

I'm Dr John C. Taylor. You may not

know my name but he will definitely

have used one of my inventions. The

switch that turns of a kettle when

it boils. With the rise in the

number of electric kettles in the

1960s, I saw an opportunity to

invent a control that did just that.

And this is it. The buyer metallic

snap action blade. Heat up the

medal.

medal. Jump into the air. Once the

blade cools down, it cools -- jumps

into the air. Mr! So the click their

provides the motion and the force

that switches of the cattle. And

over 5 billion of these blades have

been sold worldwide. I have lived

and worked for most of my life here

in the Isle of Man. And I would like

to tell you a few things that have

helped to make me the inventor that

I am today. My father was Eric

Taylor. He was also an inventor. So

I take after him. He invented all

the flying suits for the bomber

crews during the war. And the

electrically heated suits kept them

alive in the cold of flying at

30,000 feet. Inspired by my father,

I began my inventing career at the

tender age of nine. But at 13, when

my parents sent me to college on the

Isle of Man, they had the task of

reinventing me. I took the entrance

exam here. The principal, Mr Wilson,

reported to my parents when we had

the interview that I was practically

illiterate. He said, "But you have

done a good paper in maths and you

did a good science paper, I'm sure

we can find something good in you.

For" it turned out I had dyslexia. I

used it to my advantage when I

realised I could think differently

to others. With my gift for maths

and physics I was granted a place at

Corpus Christi College in Cambridge

to study natural sciences. Setting

me up for my inventing career. After

Cambridge I joined my father's

company, where I had the freedom to

invent. It has not all been about

kettles. I have over 200 inventions.

My most unique one is the Corpus

Christi clerk, unveiled in 2008 by

Professor Stephen Hawking. However,

the invention I perhaps most proud

of is the place I call home. I would

like you -- to welcome you to my

house. I thought it would be fun to

do something completely different,

which nobody had ever done before,

and that is to have an atrium in the

middle of the house which is

elliptical. I wanted the floor to

look like a dearly with a curved

top. Yes, the centrepiece is my bio

metallic plate. There is a wonderful

echo here.

echo here. OK, time to get on with

my life lecturer at University

College, Isle of Man. I hope I have

invented a useful speech.

A scientific education teaches you

that if you find new information,

you change your theory and you start

again. But I think that is the wrong

way to do it in practicalities. If

the first thing you thought of was

an invention, then if you can change

it around, which stops it working,

you've got a really good invention.

You have to turn it to an advantage

and make it into a success. My motto

is, think the unthinkable.

is, think the unthinkable. My mother

was a Latin teacher. It is very

important to have fun. Life goes by

very, very quickly. And here I am,

81, still having fun. Thank you all

very much.

That is 30 seconds before we can put

the kettle on. Your nominations have

been pouring in all week for our NHS

patients award, which we launched on

Monday with the help of the

Patients' Association.

There is

still time to nominate anybody

working in the NHS who you want to

thank for going the extra mile when

you needed them.

Yes, head to our

website for all of the details of

how to nominate.

Thanks to all our

guests for joining us. I'm back

tomorrow with Michael Ball and

wreckage of days. Have a lovely

night.